Jar vs Ziploc Grain Spawn - Time-lapse

Which one will Colonize faster? Jar or Ziploc?
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[@jamarwashington6419]

They like that extra air to breathe & space to grow. Deny them that & theyll grow slower plus you cant shake them well. A jar filled to just at or slightly over 3/4 is about perfect....it wouldve spawned at a closer rate if not better. This theory works when colonizing substrate too. A bin with more breathing room is preferred & an occasional burping of the lid to remove all the carbon dioxide & other gases is preferred(id do it about once every 2-3 days until fully colonized). However, i also note that colonizing a nice wet substrate naturally makes vapor via the heat of the mycelium & its best to keep that vapor shooting back into the substrate via having a bonus cover(such as an alcohol sterilized sheet of wax paper lightly on top). It will boost the humidity below the wax & make your mycelium very happy. I like to use the wax paper while fruiting as well until the fruiting bodies are plentiful & starting to grow faster, then i toss it out & do it again next harvest. Also dont confuse burping the lid with fanning. Burping the lid is just opening it for a few seconds so the gasses can escape. That momentary exchange wont trigger fruiting. In nature, oxygen is present above the ground at all times...its odd to deny them any oxygen & force them to choke on the gasses they excrete...could even trigger early contamination depending on the substrate. Hope this train of thought helps somebody. If youre afraid of lifting the lid because of contam, try spraying the room with lysol really good 1 hour before with your bin's air exchange ports fully blocked or covered with a shirt or towel. That will ensure any random spores floating in the air are less likely to be cuz lysol kills them. Ozone gas generators do the same but again, protect your mycelium from it cuz itll hurt them all the same.

[@KitchenMycology]

Awesome. Thanks for the info!

[@gonelucid]

🤙

[@retropursuit992]

11 days is incredible man well done, takes me like a month but I’m in a cold country and find it hard to keep stable temps

[@KitchenMycology]

Ah yes. In the winter, I use a Thermostat with a small place heater set at a bout 1.5 feet away from my bags to keep them from going below around 73°F

[@philipclift7205]

Beer cooler

[@Sleve-McDichael]

But HOW did you break and shake the jar?

[@jack123killa]

Don’t put too much from the start give it space from the top so u can shake them up

[@reidnorton6794]

It's easier to get a really good shake up with the bags so that could have something to do with it.

[@KitchenMycology]

That could be a factor. Also maybe better Air Exchange with the Ziploc. 👍🏼

[@Enochulate88]

Did you PC or steam bath the zip lock bag

[@KitchenMycology]

Ziploc bags are sealed and sterile in the box. I use them as they come. 😎👍🏼

[@Enochulate88]

@@KitchenMycology I mean after you put the popcorn in xD

[@KitchenMycology]

@@Enochulate88The Popcorn is sterilized before dumping into the Ziploc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8si=V8_ipB65rAxtft0Y

[@PsyMush8]

Nice video! I quit using jars too ziploc is much easier and you can put more grains!

[@KitchenMycology]

Jars are much more expensive, you have to modify lids... and they eventually crack!

[@emilysquadra763]

How do you sterilize? Do you just cook corn in a pressure cooker then add to ziplock? How do you maintain sterile conditions between cooking the corn and putting it in the ziplocks?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@emilysquadra763 Ziplocs are sealed sterile in the box, so no need to. Use Ready Rice or dump popcorn in the zioloc: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8

[@PianoUniverse]

The Ziplock held up through sterilization via pressure cooker?

[@KitchenMycology]

The Ziplocs are sealed and sterile in the box. There's no need to Pressure Cook them.

[@PianoUniverse]

@@KitchenMycology How do you sterilize the corn then, prior and then dump them with sterile technique?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@PianoUniverse Here kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8 and kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWPKhoWLoa59f5Y

[@nfreddy83]

How would you suggest innoculating the zip lock bag with a liquid cukture syringe. ?

[@KitchenMycology]

I go over all this in detail in the course, but it's simple: Remove the needle from the syringe so you don't poke the Ziploc and squirt 1cc - half in front and half in back of the bag. LC is WET, so don't go crazy or you'll get contam on rice.

[@nfreddy83]

@KitchenMycology thanks for the reply. I did see the method in your vid shortly after posting my question. Have a great day

[@injegomontoya370]

Were you using spore syringe? That was fast!

[@KitchenMycology]

That was Agar to Grain. It was also a well established Monoculture I've kept alive for a while now. It's super strong and fruitful.

[@injegomontoya370]

@@KitchenMycology I have been dying to try out agar

[@KitchenMycology]

@@injegomontoya370 Don't get intimidated by Agar. It's not difficult. My Patrons had never done Agar work and now they're doing it like pros. Watch my KZbin videos on Agar if you can't join and study the Patreon course. BTW, You killed my father... Prepare to die!

[@injegomontoya370]

@@KitchenMycology My name was inspired by that movie lol Inigo. I'm definitely gonna check those videos.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@injegomontoya370 Wait! Your user name, or your Real name?

[@ahlers1977]

I inoculated 12 bags of Bens Rice that I put into ziploc bags 4 days & they haven't done anything yet. 😢

[@KitchenMycology]

What did you inoculate with? Spore, / Liquid Culture Syringe? Did you use micropore Tape along the top for good Fresh Air Exchange? Spores are slow... Next time, inoculate two Ziploc bags, when they're fully colonized, go Grain to Grain to the other ones. G2G is super fast and resists contamination. You can inoculate 10 bags with one fully colonized bag.

[@ahlers1977]

@KitchenMycology spore syringe. I had tried a few liquid culture syringes in 5 lb grow bags from mushroom supplies last month & those still haven't done anything either. I didn't realize that I had gotten the easy open ziploc bags so instead of taping along the whole top I ended putting 3 holes with a soldering iron about 2 inches below the zipper then covering with micropore tape. As a beginner this has been pretty frustrating but I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I really like your channel!

[@KitchenMycology]

@@ahlers1977 Glad to help man. One of my mantras is "Don't put all your eggs in one basket." Now, small FAE Holes don't work well. You need the whole top of the Ziploc covered with a strip of Micropore Tape and make sure that it's not closed. At this point, I would test that syringe on Agar to make sure it's viable. -- You can get pre-poured Agar / Petri Dishes on Amazon, if you don't want to make your own. In my course, I show how to go from a Spore Print to Harvest. Not trying to push it, but I'm just saying...

[@ahlers1977]

@@KitchenMycology I was just taking a look. Think I will go ahead & give it a try!

[@Roggbon]

Look into pf tek, broke boi tek, or if you have a pressure cooker try making your own sterilized grain jars. Don’t get discouraged, and keep trying!

[@samTollefson]

I wonder if you can pressure sterilize a freezer bag for an hour and a half?

[@KitchenMycology]

I tired it because I've made eggs and oatmeal in freezer bags by pouring boiling water in them, but they melt in the pressure cooker.

[@samTollefson]

Thank You, I just tried a freezer bag full of water in my Instant Pot and it melted. My next thought is if I can use seal-a-meal plastic tubes to make grow-out bags in whatever length I want, I can cut a vent and cover it with 0.2micro vent tape? They would be heavier and perhaps reusable and much cheaper than the ones they sell. Is anyone else doing this? @@KitchenMycology

[@KitchenMycology]

@@samTollefson I haven't seen anyone doing it, but I like how you think! 😉 Can you post a link here to the seal-a-meal bags? I have an impulse sealer, so that would be a good experiment for me to try as well. EDIT: I just ordered these from Amazon. I'm going to test them in the Instant Pot and let everyone know. 11x50 BPA Free Heavy Duty Vacuum Food Sealer a.co/d/bEfrzLB

[@samTollefson]

@@KitchenMycologyAlso, they say the bags are microwavable and good to 100C or 212F. I use plastic bag liners in my Crock Pot that runs higher than 212f so I know they make plastics that could survive pasteurizing temps, they are a bit pricey though.

[@KitchenMycology]

@@samTollefson Yes, they are pricey and I like that these are in rolls so I can cut them to size. They are 11" wide, which is the same as a gallon Ziploc. I'll test them and report back. I think they should work. 😎👍🏼

[@bigfatfoot]

can you reuse the ziplock bags?

[@KitchenMycology]

No. I wouldn't. They're so cheap, I don't see a reason to reuse them anyway.

[@bigfatfoot]

@@KitchenMycology thanks! Just became a patron

[@KitchenMycology]

@@bigfatfoot Thank you, thank you, thank you! 😎👍🏼

[@mattharvey8712]

Bravo.......do u think u need to break it up........i dont......cheers

[@KitchenMycology]

Sometimes. I usually don't have to B+S. The Mycelium will tell you.

[@Bhakta_Mark]

Can you PC ziplock?

[@KitchenMycology]

I tested that. They survive but they melt. With the method I use, you don't have to. You don't even need a pressure cooker.

[@lifewithTrev]

what method do you use?@@KitchenMycology

[@KitchenMycology]

@@lifewithTrevZiploc all the way! Super simple and easy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rp_NmpKMaq6bf68si=o3ozzrxxkLCSwMXW

[@Vellieveil_64]

@@KitchenMycology how did u prepare the popcorn then to get proper hydration?

[@KitchenMycology]

@@Vellieveil_64 It's super easy. I have a video explaining the whole Tek/process here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJ_EgH6Qq8yEha8si=C40-2jRsCswpnwRc