Jas-39 GRIPEN Vs Su-30SM Flanker-H DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@tmytyson]

You're getting close, now it's time for Battle of the Canards: a dogfight free-for-all featuring (at a minimum) the JAS39 Gripen, SU30SM Flanker-H, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Dassault Rafale. We have the technology!

[@BalvanKolbasukhin]

Su 35 vs su 30?

[@electricaviationchannelvid7863]

Your missiles performed way better than his…Those were not neutral merges by geometry, furthermore sometimes he was turning away from you after a plus-altitude-merge which is a strange tactic…

[@DesolatorsDayz]

I like the basic bvr fights. 1v1 standard missles.

[@superfisto]

We call it the clinch in boxing.

[@levidotson6610]

It’s kinda crazy just the size difference, with how massive that flanker is, yet it can still turn so well

[@commandergeokam2868]

So true

[@viktorbihar5384]

@@commandergeokam2868 That's kinda the reason for such maneuverability. Those wings cover so much area, and it did very well against the f22. I think it was a tie.

[@tzeffsmainchannel]

That's how it compensates its size with the twin engines and cross-vectoring capabilities!

[@VolkerGoller]

But once it is slow, it’s a tanker

[@levidotson6610]

@@VolkerGoller yeah, I’ve noticed that with the su-30, it can point its nose wherever it wants, but basically falls out of the sky, unlike the raptor, or felon

[@scpt]

That sickening wet sound when you ejected inverted... What a way to go.

[@madmax2069]

Squishy

[@traviswalker8933]

Splash pilot.

[@Storm-lu2ce]

splat

[@danielelombardo8196]

reminds me of a video of an ukrainian SU-25 pilot ejecting on the ground

[@svensvensson2724]

There was a Draken pilot who ejected straight into mossy wet ground. I think they just left him there. Can barely get vehicles to such an area. Back in the 60's.

[@sulyokpeter3941]

So because you done Gripen vs SU-30SM and Dassault Rafale vs SU-30SM time for the Eurofighter vs SU-30SM dogfight!

[@peekaboo1575]

No delta wing goes unpunished! :^)

[@sana-cm7oc]

this

[@antonydecosta6262]

And take the MKI version of Su 30 that got better israili missiles in it

[@traviswalker8933]

​@@antonydecosta6262 MKI hasn't even gotten those missiles yet. They are on the MK2.

[@antonydecosta6262]

I don't know but I have seen videos of it firing MICA python and MBDA ASRAAM ccm

[@petrmelichar3565]

That beautiful paintjob from the 100th anniversary of the Czech Air Force really fitts Gripen well!

[@Bounty8472]

nemluv radsi..

[@UncleRayRayGarageEmporium]

I forgot to mention a few vids ago... Thanks for turning off the motiin blur! It looks so much more natural and much less janky for me.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya they messed up the motion blur in DCS I’ll probably leave it off until they fix it.

[@bhoogvliet]

Motion blur is the most useless function in gaming industry.. never ever have it on😂

[@jadefalcon001]

"We're ejecting inverted, I guess..." *SPLAT* Love it. Touches like that are one of my favorite things about your channel.

[@dystopianlucidity4448]

GS, we need to talk about your diet. I know you need iron and minerals in your diet, but chewing on missiles isn’t the best way.

[@sniperh2o325]

the way that flanker moves is terrifying. if only its missiles were a little better youd died nearly every round lol.

[@gabrielcalda7033]

The biggest problem with russian tech is the electronic reliability

[@AnotherUnhingedUsername]

​@@gabrielcalda7033to be more precisely - complete absence. Russians don't have modern electronics in their planes.

[@charlesrichardson8635]

There were a couple of times that if the Gripen missile had dropped the flanker would have been done, but I think he said he thought it didn't drop because the system knew it was too close.

[@sniperh2o325]

@@charlesrichardson8635 yea but those opportunities were usually much later in the round after the flankers missiles decided to spare the Gripens soul lol

[@bogey_dope_ae]

​@@gabrielcalda7033quite opposite, russian eletronic is super tough and reliable, the problem is it's not super sophisticated and andvanced

[@airnavig8er]

Talk about backshot 9:12 "ahhh, I can't get him off my 6 here. Ohh, it's gonna be tight" 🤣

[@JesusFriedChrist]

This one really had me _Gripen_ the edge of my seat 😏

[@TheGoddamnBacon]

LOL

[@numberyellow]

BOOOOOOOOOOOO! 🤣

[@saadsajidul9001]

Yooo 🌚

[@arrtemfly]

these new dogfights are insane, one imperfection and it's unsurvivable

[@ZETH_27]

It's truly epic to see a cost-effective light multi-role aircraft like the Gripen being able to handle some of the worst adversaries out there like the Su-35 and Su-57. Flown by one, maintained by five (4 of which can be conscripts), refuelled and rearmed in 10, and able to take off and land pretty much anywhere. Such an incredible aircraft.

[@dirreeN]

Really wish they had the Gripen E in DCS, since it's quite the upgrade from the C and is even more maneuverable!

[@zarwil]

Has any Gripen E even been delivered to customers yet? Even then It's gonna be a few years from initial delivery until it's fully capable.

[@rbgerald2469]

​@@zarwil Sweden and Brazil already has em

[@AmarilioAlcantara]

@@zarwil They are already in operational use in Brazil and Sweden.

[@dreaminknight]

​@@zarwilwe are talking about a different jet than the F-35... 😊

[@dreaminknight]

​@@zarwilwe are talking about the Gripen, not the F-35 with a lot of outstanding updates and upgrades everybody is waiting and waiting for...

[@chadkerwin4719]

Since I've been subscribing to your channel, I've heard and seen everything about one-circle,first-turn kills, but until that first kill, the SU-30 got in the match, I'd never really appreciated that capability. That is beautiful and terrifying at the same time. Amazing vid GS. Thanx!

[@Aidy]

These modern planes are really scary in a dogfight but it must look so cool from the ground to watch them dance.

[@woesiohans]

Boxer's hugging is a very apt analogy. Those fox2s were sideways

[@youngstunna1594]

Hooks..*

[@jirijetmar]

you made me happy taking out our Czech tiger squadron camo for the third fight 😀

[@Juel92]

The Gripen did better than I expected. Imagine what one turn beast it would be with vectoring.

[@ghostviggen]

The problem with vectoring is that you burn energy. Making you an easy target for other fighters. Thai Gripen and Chinese trained against each other and Gripen had problems with dogfight 1v1 but the Su had problems with BVR combat scenarios.

[@PowerslideSWE]

@@ghostviggen And BVR is all that is ever gonna happen nowadays.

[@ghostviggen]

@@PowerslideSWE BVR or some type of Hybrid WVR/BVR fight seems to be the norm. But dogfights will still happen.

[@danieljonsson6230]

But something you cant measure is simplicity of the aircraft and the skill of the pilot. That will winn over better specs on paper.

[@AlexKall]

Or simply higher TWR would do wonders.

[@markbradley1463]

The camo paint scheme on the Gripen in the first round looks amazing.

[@Paveway-chan]

Gripen prefers to tagteam it with datalinks, sensor fusion and meteor strikes, while the Flanker is like the ogre ninja - it's massive, yet it still manages to sneak up behind you and then you're dead. Bit of a mismatch to put the Gripen in this situation but does demonstrate pretty well just how lethal the Su-30SM is in a knife fight

[@IonPerseus]

"Ogre ninja" yep, thanks for a brilliant idea for my next character in DnD

[@shlug]

As if flankers don't use data links and sensors 😏

[@harryaxe2480]

The SU-30SM is deadly not only in a “knife fight”, missiles of the latest modifications will be a big unpleasant surprise for opponents.....

[@85Portar]

@@IonPerseus Would pair nicely with my Halfling Barbarian in BG3 xD

[@ZETH_27]

@@shlug Not on the level of the Gripen, no. The Gripen has one of the most sophisticated data-link systems in the world and becomes exponentially more dangerous the more links that are active at a time. Effectively making every missile launch a ticking death-clock for whoever they targeted.

[@simongeorge2505]

You need the Gripen-E. More wing, more power giving a improved thrust to weight ratio.

[@ExtinctLS1GTO]

These dogfights are the most beautiful and deadly ballet dance ever. I love this

[@ralfhtg1056]

I got the impression that the stripe in the Gripens canope is a bit of a problem.

[@andersjjensen]

In a computer simulation where you can't just lean over, yes.

[@dash9655]

In reality it's close enough to the pilots face that you can just see around it with at least one eye, or just tilt your head a bit.

[@ZETH_27]

In reality you have two eyes looking around it. Your brain paints it out for you. It's kind of a genius design.

[@svampen7782]

I think most people forget that Gripen is a light fighter designed for a specific missions in a specific way in a specific area. When Saab designed it they didnt try to make the best fighter cause that wasnt plausible they went for the best for the Swedish airforce. This is what most people forget when they shit on the Gripen but even with this being said its one hell of a fighter.

[@jamesbock6603]

His younger brother is great but I miss Sven

[@stinkyfungus]

Ol' Sven had to retire on a medical discharge, severe tendinitis from beating on viggen engines with his trusty snow shovel. He made out ok, full bennies - lives in a nice neighborhood with his wife on the Baltic outside Stockholm. Pays one of the neighbor teens to shovel his driveway in the winter. Plays Santa for the little kids at Christmas. Everyone loves him.

[@BustaHymen]

That old school splinter camo paintjob is super nice, also I like that the 39 seems to be from the F7 wing to which I am sort of a neighbor. My uncle used to fly 37's out of there back in the day, they had the same color scheme.

[@Maus-f8f]

Crazy dogfight that came up im impressed all those fox-2 that missed you good plane choice!!!

[@peekaboo1575]

That third fight was exciting. Nice video, GS!

[@RusselTanTing-kf8zm]

4:34 The MiG-31 can fire long-range air-to-air missiles at enemy fighters and is the exception from that Russian doctrine of supermaneuverability.

[@ZETH_27]

The MiG.31 is also an interceptor rather than a multi-role fighter.

[@RusselTanTing-kf8zm]

@ It can attack enemies from afar, yes.

[@justjonazjameson5559]

I love the different liveries for each fight! It's a small thing but the effort doesn't go unnoticed. Keep it up!

[@AlexKall]

Agreed, that was a nice touch!

[@Tentacl]

Jesus christ, the first Su-30SM turn was just scary...

[@KERAAK35]

Really nice duels & after match 3D cam angles, very epic & cinematic! :) Thank you so much! Greetings from Sweden. BR AN.

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 10

[@LarsLilleby]

As a swede, hoping that the Gripen would do good - I was holding my breath threw long portions of the video..

[@suprlite]

As a norwegian, i wish we had bought some gripens.

[@bellissimo4520]

9:12 "Ahh... I can't get him off my six here..." "C'mon, Mav, do some of that pilot shit!"

[@Tarzschano]

Yey thanks for doing the Gripen!

[@horusfalcon]

Well, that was interesting! The Gripen is a remarkable aircraft.

[@rikardnorlen752]

Seems like SAAB also think Gripen C have to few flares cos in a video i saw recently he pointed out that E had a lot of flares.

[@bogey_dope_ae]

Like how missiles from Su-30 doesn't react despite having almost direct hit at Grippen

[@thomasvertommen9526]

This super slow one-turn merged fights, in an era where nations are churning out highly accurate BVR supersonic missiles... It does feel a bit like getting REALLY good at hand-to-hand combat when everyone is using fully automatic long-range weapons

[@mema0005]

As the good sergeant said “he can’t push a button if you disable his hand”

[@Youthsoldiers1992]

"Ooohhh sh*t" best describes that first encounter 😂

[@bitkarek]

Gripen is impressive... and looking even better in that CZ airforce skin :)

[@DDayJayke]

"We've never been tighter" - GS 2024

[@Ghxsted_.]

Turned his ass into a writing utensil at the beginning of the damn video 💀

[@ImWithTeamTrinity]

That first dogfight he started turning way before you did, wasnt a very even merge.

[@TechTime409]

Holy, Gripen those Sukhoi's

[@TurboCharged_RubberDuck]

Loved the soundeffect…. 😂 ”Guess we’re ejecting inverted!” SPLAT!

[@Marauder1981]

I´m just anxiously looking at that mapholder on the left to release lots of paper whenever you push the jet down.

[@RaleighOlsen99]

Can you do a SU30 vs SU35 or a SU30 VS SU57 dogfight ?

[@toastylag6931]

5:07 - 5:16 WTH did I just see…💀😧 that was awesome(impossible but awesome…) dude round 3 was absolute cinema…💀

[@just.pushin9910]

This match up is something😭😭

[@jackillerkillaecaca]

Kinda looks like the proxi isn't going off on those missiles

[@djtigerrawr7303]

FINALLLLYYYYYYYY!!! Gripen, my beloved

[@the_algo_rhythm]

That second kill was explositinamomically redonkulous. Gripen is a gorgeous bird.

[@Mohab7274]

Why do you never fly the: F-35 F-15EX F-15E and other variants like QA/SA/SG/K. Eurofighter Typhoon Rafale.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I fly the eurofighter many many times, I have flown the rafale, as for other mods they are not mature enough to be shown on the channel, as they mature I will fly them, an example of this would be the Su-47

[@rickykurniawann]

Man you’re not just killed in action, but beautifully killed in action. Look at that manouver. Rip it straight from Top Gun Maverick

[@ToYo94]

Su-30SM is basically SU-37 in disguise, dogfighting that thing is like a death wish 💀

[@janusz4156]

35 years of Gripen in 2023

[@charlesrichardson8635]

In Round 2 I thought you were going to suck up debris from that Flanker! The replays with your description are so important!

[@ericx777]

Dunno how you find the time to set up, fly, record, edit then post these wonderful vids but they are greatly appreciated!

[@OrderoftheWarlocks]

are these fights just heaters and guns?

[@Nebby_Webby]

Yup

[@TheLandsberg]

Fun fact. The flares (BOL) are invented by my wifes grandfather.

[@xinox73]

Man you should be a real fighter pilot, all those hours in dcs makes you an ace.^^

[@josephbishop3231]

The wez shrinks as your speed decreases

[@_cyantist]

yes thats why you need to be slower than them. it shrinks the min range of your missile.

[@VikingTeddy]

I was in the pool!

[@bebarty]

Those Gripen wings came off really clean, might be able to reuse them.

[@sysghost]

Just tell IKEA it somehow was missing in the flat package and you get a spare one... and one allen key... for free.

[@Memyselfanddave2724]

Love the videos, maybe in the dogfight rules have an agreed merge speed and no change in course/speed until both players are passing each other? Felt like both were pre turning in anticipation

[@TheSerg2bob]

The main Su-35S fighter, with the most powerful radar in the world, is able to detect a 4th generation fighter at a distance of up to 400 kilometers, and launch an R-37M missile with the same range of destruction.

[@JustBov]

1:12 - was that the fastest death to date?

[@FuzedBox]

Most likely. Pretty sure he's collided on merge a few times but mutual kills don't count.

[@TheRomerer]

More Gripen and F23 please!

[@cmroberts75]

Need to keep wings level until the first pass to make sure no advantage due to turning too early.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

only rule is don't shoot, other than that you can do what you want, its part of a pre merge set up, we do it in guns only fights trying to build turning room, he can deny it nothing about dogfights is intended to be fair.

[@Tremeslay]

Bro you were lucky af in this fight. Most of those missles should have got you. 😂

[@gabrielcalda7033]

Russian missiles & electronics are a bit unreliable sometimes, I'd say its par for the course

[@hanrockabrand95]

Obviously a lot of DCS modeling involves educated guesses, maybe it's coded that way for a reason?

[@dmo0]

Disabling the CDS gives a slight advantage to su, but this function is very dangerous Love this flight simulator😍💪👍

[@nicholasjackson7392]

just started the vid and alr got jumpscared😭

[@itsdokko2990]

FOX 2 JUMPSCARE

[@haal4919]

Id love to see more griffin BVR fights

[@xanokothe]

Good that modern battles are not dogfight anymore. F22 lunches missels at multiple targets and goes home without being detected

[@rkumardk1]

Great content as always, really enjoy your vids.. Poor Flanker nearly every missile shot missed. Even the Deadly 30mm took more rounds than necessary to effect a kill.... Hmmmm

[@RogerJL]

Just remembered a related article in Swedish "meatball-14 Gripen Typhoon" (google) describes a training fight between one Gripen and two Typhoons, with a bit of luck and pilot skill (recognising a roll was required) it was over in nine seconds.

[@lastsurvivor8707]

When will the Eurofighter show up against the Su30?

[@hartunstart]

Round 1: he had the Sun behind him and that's when your fox2 is no good. Maybe, after the merge you should try to get the Sun on your side?

[@Propoika10]

what's that sound on your intro?

[@moumentps700]

bro is 2 months late 💀💯🔥

[@michaelkarnerfors9545]

Rear-ends opponent, "Too close for missiles... switching to.... eh... never mind, Fox 2"

[@lukas9827]

Would it make sense to launch missiles at this close quarters though? The blast would send shreds of the bandit plane at you like shrapnel.

[@kristofferjohansson3768]

It makes me happy that Gripen has a fighting chance!

[@Stumbler2001]

I think short-range missiles are getting so advanced & lethal that short-range dogfights will become a thing of the past. The highly maneuverable Flanker will have little advantage when the next generation of missiles will likely not even need to be pointing in the general direction of their target when launched.

[@christopherreed4723]

The modern dogfight with high off-bore missiles strikes me as very similar in concept to historic fencing with a longsword and no armor, what the German treatises called "bloßfechten" (literally, bare fencing, as in naked). Any opening, no matter how small, risks taking an incapacitating hit. Observe, maneuver, guard, and commit to that one strike when you have an opening. Afaik, the same dynamic applied to Japanese swordsmanship when no armor was worn. (In fact, taking that parallel to its extreme, a modern fighter jet could be compared to a Japanese warrior, unarmored, carrying a bow and sword. You *want* to be doing the balance of your work with the bow, the sword is a secondary, contingency weapon.)

[@VikingTeddy]

The U.S equivalent would then be a crossbowman hiding in the bushes :). A fat crossbowman...

[@mikemontgomery2654]

What kills me is just how small the Gripen is. You’d think it’d have the slight edge against the SU-30 but, nope.

[@zhivkozhekov3142]

If the dogfigt started correctly and the turns were started after planes crossing each other, Gripen would be death every time.

[@caeleb.adoniyah]

As a former TIE pilot I’m impressed 💯👏🏾 (especially with the maneuverability of the Su-30)

[@warrickrodgers5164]

You should do a dog fight in each planes designed encounter. So like an F-35 having AWACS on hand and sneaking around a flanker that will go direct for the kill. Things like that

[@SWBB1000]

J-20 vs Su-47

[@michelchaman6495]

idk if this works but to avoid ejecting inverted in that situation try jamming the rudder in on the side u have a wing and use the stick to "roll in that same direction" it should reduce lift on ur functional wing and hopefully allow u to roll out of the inversion. Maybe in theory this works if u still have control.

[@AvangerCellar]

I would try to find a way for mounting the iris-t or other, on the front rudders to get the missles better aimed towards a close target, orbiting arround.

[@PeterHarald-fz7iw]

when I know one of us die in the next seconds I would pull the emergency exit immediatly

[@brushwolf]

A better title; A Jas Gripen turned into a V2 rocket in 10 seconds.

[@Arror3966]

The sound at 9:21 XDDDDDDDD

[@20RCH]

Gripen will almost never end up in a dogfight. Gripen hits before visuell sight

[@ДенисС-п6щ]

На самом деле все наоборот. Су-35 СМ несет гораздо более мощные радары. Гриппен видит на 120 км, Су-35 СМ - 350 км. И ракеты Су-35 СМ может нести более тяжелые.

[@MissCheeseE]

What if it runs off of missiles?

[@Easymicro7365]

Это все на бумаге... Это как пво или про... Которое должно поидее сбивать ракеты, но легко ими же уничтожается даже не заметив их

[@FacitOmniaVoluntas.]

@@ДенисС-п6щ Источник: Путин так сказал🤣

[@ДенисС-п6щ]

@@FacitOmniaVoluntas. ха-ха-ха. На самом деле это открытые данные, они есть и в западных источниках. Все просто, тяжелый истребитель в силу естественных причин может нести более мощные радары и ракеты. Никакого волшебства или секрета тут нет.

[@CivisMilitarum]

I haven't see a fox2 do a good looptie loop kill in a while.Was half expecting at least one in this super tight fight.

[@murgel2006]

That kind of fight is why the ultra-modern era is why I prefer the tech of before 1995 in DCS

[@pale_2111]

F-15EX vs. SU-30. Two rounds in BVR and two rounds in a dog fight.