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[@saint-jiub]

40:28 - heterodox martyrdom? and universalism? 46:40 - protestant [an argument for lowest common denominator Christianity] 1:12:58 - reddit atheist 1:18:59 - age of consent in Christianity? best way to introduce someone to EO? 1:21:51 - patristic verbiage on justification by faith alone 1:25:30 - why does 17th, 18th century Orthodox terminology sound jesuit? 1:30:00 - augustine 1:36:18 - thoughts on gematria and numerology within scripture? 1:40:41 - does russia calling out anglo-saxon == ango-american establishment in Tragedy&Hope? + US as the 'engine' of the deep-state. 1:43:04 - advice on choosing a church 1:44:29 - EO vs RC confession 1:45:45 - (euthyphro dilemma of logic) + epistemology book recommendations 1:47:30 - why protestantism is false 1:51:00 - augustine on the 'invisible church' & donatism 2:03:45 - the false dialectic of the individual vs the church 2:07:15 - greek parish relations within EO 2:13:42 - why is penal substitution atonement wrong? 2:16:33 - reformed ordo solutus: what's the difference between justification and sanctification? and 2:17:30 are there any patristics that don't agree with the reformed ordo solutus ? 2:18:26 - are there any patristics that explicitly teach theosis? 2:19:19 - what views would EO reject from augustine's city of god? 2:22:24 - icons in the early church? 2:23:28 - does EO believe in supersessionism (replacement theology)? 2:24:10 - would EO accept christis victor holistically? 2:25:50 - what is the best form of monarchy? 2:28:20 - CHRISTIAN BYZANTINE EMPIRE WRECKED BY WEST, A LESSON FOR RUSSIA -> www.bitchute.com/video/3RlsQCwWd3mx/ 2:29:30 - beginner EO literature 2:31:20 - the secret lifehack of 'jay's method' 2:33:29 - Christ's omniscience "no one knows the time except for the Father"?( Matt. 24:36 / Mark 13:32 ) + Christ's humanity

[@Texocracy]

Penal Sub question is at 2:13:42... not 2:14:42

[@saint-jiub]

@@Texocracy thx. God bless.

[@davismize]

45 Truth Exposed _ A WWG1WGA Productiion 0 seconds ago Thank you to our Military who has control of this great Nation. They are currently resetting it back on the 1776 foundation it is meant to stand on. Thank you Q team for stepping up and standing TALL! Thank you National Guard for taking the oath of Federal Marshall to seek out those corrupt folks. Thank you Militaries around the world for assisting our great Military in stopping the corruption. Most of all thank you Lord for inspiring 800+ Generals to follow the Commander in Chief Trump and for keeping them safe through this monumental operation the likes of which the world has never seen. And Yo mamma........ for birthing you! Sources: Military Law plus Executive Orders to date as each builds on top of each other. War powers and National Emergencies not addressed by Congress

[@JohnMC117]

King 👑

[@amillionlittledingdongs6768]

1:12:47 you beat me to it. I was going to say shitlord Reddit fedora atheist but Reddit atheist works fine. These people are really cringe 😕 their minds are closed and rotted. And they’re so numerous. I get it. At 13 I was also cringe. Wish they’d think and read more.

[@nickmuzekari6124]

Atheist: "Why can't we just ground them in reality itself?" Jay: "To say 'reality itself' is a metaphysical claim. We're asking for the grounding of metaphysics itself, so we need more than just a metaphysical claim to ground metaphysics." Bam, love that answer. Are you still thinking about creating a course on metaphysics? Man I hope so.

[@izykmusic]

That athiest had some of the saddest points I have seen...

[@orthodoxparadigm]

Jay that’s the same Protestant that came on before, with the exact same argument, he didn’t care what you had to say the first time either. But the convo was almost identical.

[@GeorgeLiavas]

The atheist that came in, when he said descriptive/prescriptive, sounded like he'd been watching that Paulologia channel. It's reality bruh

[@GeorgeLiavas]

@Daniel P.L. can't really blame too much. Seems he grew up prot, and saw the stupdity, so now he calls out the foolish false church groups and individuals

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Just got back from church and grand daughters birthday party!

[@glitchyrhythm6749]

“Why does it need justification just do logic” lol 1:15:35

[@b3a5t5y5t3m]

Omg dude that intro was 100% on the money...fire...hilarity

[@ciaranennis9216]

Another excellent stream, so many avenues of knowledge imparted, which is usual for Jay! thanks so much man and God bless , such great work

[@davismize]

Thank you to our Military who has control of this great Nation. They are currently resetting it back on the 1776 foundation it is meant to stand on. Thank you Q team for stepping up and standing TALL! Thank you National Guard for taking the oath of Federal Marshall to seek out those corrupt folks. Thank you Militaries around the world for assisting our great Military in stopping the corruption. Most of all thank you Lord for inspiring 800+ Generals to follow the Commander in Chief Trump and for keeping them safe through this monumental operation the likes of which the world has never seen. And Yo mamma........ for birthing you! Sources: Military Law plus Executive Orders to date as each builds on top of each other. War powers and National Emergencies not addressed by Congress

[@santiagodiaz3358]

The part at the end of Jay explaining his underlining method was funny. I started underlining and using sticky notes on books after seeing Dyer and other people doing it and I instinctively came up with the same method as Jay lol. Read very slow, underline the important parts and stick a note summarising the concepts. It has helped me a lot to understand and learn more from books I read

[@feventadesse9892]

I like this channel

[@charlesgguitar8542]

He is the guy. He thought he had a new gotcha argument.

[@justin_sanchez_]

Have I heard this debate before or do all Protestants and atheists sound the same? Lmao

[@jamalkhan3708]

Love the start. You’re awesome and we love you and Walmart loves you 😂

[@moejoe6422]

beautiful slowboy intro 🥶 lol

[@magnum1165]

Reddit atheists are my favorite, "uhuhuhuh there is no God uhuhuhhu I am so much smarter then you because I don't believe in God uhuhuhuh now let me go check on my hot pocket in the microwave" lol

[@butchmitch731]

Wow. Fine mind at work. Now THAT'S conversation.

[@larryjake7783]

There are a lot of Reddit Orthodox people who defend Universalism like crazy, I'm still new in all of this but that didn't seem right. I'll watch the video Jay suggested because reddit/Orthodox is turning into another protestant Christian thread

[@FreshPelmeni]

As someone who used to use Reddit a while ago, the skewed picture you get on Christianity generally (and Orthodoxy especially) there is crazy. Thank God I no longer inhabit that place, and thank God that when I did use reddit it wasn't as insufferable as it is now. You could actually find people defending legitimate doctrine on there, who condemned universalism and homosexuality.

[@larryjake7783]

@@FreshPelmeni Yeah I've seen a lot of defending of both things you mentioned recently on there, it's hard to actually have dialogue with them.

[@zachtrix8428]

r/Christianity is a cesspool that will corrupt and destroy your soul from chronic exposure.

[@kingattila506]

Their moderators banned me because I challenged individuals identifying as “Orthodox” pushing OWO propaganda.

[@lolsing8836]

@@larryjake7783your first mistake was going on reddit

[@Jimmylad.]

Lol that intro so funny

[@joeflow2571]

Hey Jay. One reason as to why Constantinople would ever want to join Rome: During an interview, a Greek priest stated that all Uniates would move to EP in the deal.

[@TropicalGardeningCyprus]

Constantinople will never absolutely never join Rome, and the reason is Mountain Athos. Bartholomew knows that if he does the move he will be declared an apostate from M.A. and we all know that the Greek speaking world looks up to them and not him. Actually no one (from the regular people) looks up to him.

[@ilovechrist914]

Lmao jay face when protestant guy makes his argument. And can tell jay wants to cut him off lol but his fuming to not cut him off. Lol the burn is real

[@SonofTiamat]

Why is Jay T-posing in the thumbnail?

[@JayDyer]

what is t posing?

[@SonofTiamat]

@@JayDyer Something that in-game models do in video games sometimes. It looks like that's what you're doing

[@kristinaefremova6481]

This is great !!I also love your talk on fabian societies on Info wars . Do you have photographic memory ? Your way of remebering names is amazing ! Any way my mother studies all this stuff in Russia and when i showed her your channel she said" that is a really brilliant man" and she agreed with many of things you said .

[@ailurophile4341]

The beginning was absolutely mind numbing lmao. I noticed it too late it repeated

[@brianreichhoff660]

What about soylent greens. Ahhhhhhhhhh

[@zachtrix8428]

Concerning universalism- I see this as another place where Orthodoxy transcends the dialectic. The scriptures and the Fathers alike seem to portray an image of the Eschaton wherein all things have been renewed and restored. For those that have oriented themselves to this coming reality, that is Paradise, and for those who have oriented themselves toward the fallen and now gone world, that is Hell. All will be, in a sense, saved, but salvation will be to the condemnation of many. Salvation is universal, and therefore so is damnation.

[@xiham4612]

people just go to hell lol it is what it is

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

My Dad (RIP 2011) would want me to take the course! We just found some of his super gaudy RC jewelry and I’m Wearing it in his honor!…. Snicker snicker! Ven diagrams!

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

Well done as usual JD. Imo they are using logical fallacies then to do anything but call it out would be akin to accepting that position as being a valid argument.

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Just watched Forbidden Planet last night. Robbie the Robot!

[@KoiDotJpeg]

I'm always very impressed with Jay. I never have a clue how to argue against abd arguements because they seem so baseless that I don't even know where to start deboonking them. Not to mention his patience with hearing this crap repeatedly

[@bloom2887]

I didn’t get a chance to call in, but can someone please explain why it’s imperative that Mary be sinless?

[@str8904]

Her soul & body are consecrated to God & God alone. She’s akin to the ark of a new covenant. Therefore, her ever-virginity is important.

[@bradleyperry1735]

It is imperative in a sense, but we believe it more so because it’s true.

[@comeprotestants6250]

First off I'm not orthodox as yet but still learning about it so take that as you will. The short answer is Paul says that Jesus is the new Adam (1 Cor 15). Adam was created from a sinless creation so Jesus' human nature would also have to be sinless in some way shape or form. This means that Mary would have to be sinless somehow. You can't getaway from Mary being sinless, if you do it makes Jesus' human nature fallen. If you want the long answer then here you go: Adam's sin brought death into the world. And death is the separation of the body and the soul. When one dies their soul go to Hades/Sheol and are held captive there. This happened to everyone that died. None of us has the ability to bring our body and soul back together once it's been separated except for God. I point this out because God created our bodies and wants us to live in them as he said that he breathed and made man into a living soul (Gen 2:7) and when he made his creation he said that everything was good (Gen 1:31). The word Adam means man in Hebrew. In context the word "man" refers to mankind. Remember that in Genesis chapter 1, God created all things after their kind. So we are all made after man/Adam which is why we are called mankind. And is also why everyone (man or woman) after Adam is called a son of man or son of Adam. This is why everyone has fallen nature and is going to die no matter what they did. So here is where we come to to point of how God is going to save humanity from their fallen human nature. As the prophecies in Gen 3:14-15 and Isaiah 7:14 (among others) demonstrate that God is going to use a human to reverse the sin (death) that Adam brought into the world. So just as Adam was made from the dust of the ground that was untarnished by sin so too must Jesus come from a woman that is untarnished by sin. But this presents another problem because Jesus is coming from a human being that has fallen nature as well. So how is God going to get around this. According to Orthodox tradition, in every part of Mary's life she cooperated with the grace of God. Grace is an energy that comes from God. I'm not sure if you know about the essence/energies distinction in Orthodoxy but it's very important to grasp especially for this. So this is how Mary is sinless. She's sinless by God's grace as opposed to Jesus being sinless by his very nature being the 2nd person of the trinity. Hope that helps

[@slavi7191]

The intro...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JG-po5cv]

"Only we know the real Jesus" sounds a bit gnostic too. Jay said that the unbaptized catechumen would still be considered baptized via passion. Just rewind that timeline a bit to the person who with a humble heart has heard the gospel and in child like faith is now relying on Jesus to get to the Father, but they have not yet stepped foot in an EO church and become a baptized catechumen. Romans 10 was written long after the veil was torn and Pentecost. Is the prescription therein not sufficient to save their soul from hell through Jesus?

[@willivonen3886]

Can a hermit wise man monk living on a mountain be a martyr? Or is a martyr only in big cities?

[@aeternusromanus]

Very interested in the critical thinking course man 👌

[@terrancematlack8914]

😂 being from the south he goes on a Walmart rant about McDonald French fries. 😂 made me laugh so hard to n a British accent. With some sort of EDM song. Jesus so funny. 😂

[@GenXPirate]

Just getting turned on to your content. This feels like a commercial straight out of a TV in the ATHF universe. (the first 12 minutes anyways. I watch your "smart person" stuff on the AJ show, I come here for the comedy)

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

An infinite regress….

[@MeatSweatLaCroix]

Is the second stream after this one up yet? I don’t see it here or on Rokfin

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Some more, please?

[@meghalo05]

Do you think the Coptic Martyrs of Libya are in heaven?

[@EREN-bu3wp]

"best indie Sci fi fy ' .nyt...."you owned dat 💩..." meta.....best dystopiarama since Gone with the wind..." ..Roll' n Stoned....😻....nominated for 50 academy awards and 2022UN Greenest of Green recipient 👏

[@dionysiuscarthusianus3015]

On the question of Augustinian anthropology, why is it problematic that St Augustine identifies the Intellect as the main faculty of the soul?

[@JayDyer]

Because the nous is the heart

[@ahmedozturk2723]

​@@JayDyer I read orthodox theologians that said that it resides in the soul too.

[@elizantoinette]

ok, now I am really confused. Where did God say that we are good when Christ himself said no one is good except God. I will be honest here and say that my jaw dropped about the sin thing as I still think of myself as a depraved wretch. I have been led to Orthodoxy for the past year and have just finished my first ortho bible study. But I have never heard this before as in "God said we are good", perhaps you are referencing when God created everything and said it was good. I don't know though, was that before the fall?

[@bradleyperry1735]

He made us good, and made us in His image. For us to no longer be good, our sin would be more powerful than our Creator. We are inclined to wickedness, and sin always, but it is because we choose to do so, not because we are created sinful. Total depravity is not an Orthodox, which is to say Christian, belief.

[@elizantoinette]

@@bradleyperry1735 thank you. I still don't understand why Christ Jesus said that though.....was he talking to a specific group of people at the time?

[@bradleyperry1735]

@@elizantoinette No one is good but God because we all sin. But we don’t sin because we were created sinners. We all sin because we choose to which is why Christ’s statement is true. I don’t know if that makes sense, but I’m also not a theologian or a priest or anything. Just a catechumen who will be baptized soon. Definitely visit a Liturgy and talk to a priest. Coming from a Protestant background myself, some of the Orthodox teachings took awhile to understand.

[@comeprotestants6250]

I'm also a protestant looking into orthodoxy so I understand the difficulty in hearing certain things about orthodoxy coming from that background. The short answer is that we and God both have a will and an essence/nature. The will is a faculty of someone's nature. Essence/nature is what you are. Ie. human. The will is what we choose to do (whether it's good or bad). This means that the will is connected directly to one's nature. God created our human nature and even though it's fallen, our human nature is still good. Because of Adam's sin, we live with a deprivation or a loss of the human nature that we once had in the original creation. This is why it's called the fallen human state. The Trinity share the same nature/essence therefore they have the same will. We all have Adam's nature (we're human) and since it's fallen so is our will. Remember that I said that the will is connected to one's nature. God always knows what is good (he's omniscient). This is what gives him the ability to always be able to choose what is good at all times. And since His will is connected to His nature, and his nature is good therefore his will is also good. This is why he can't do evil. It's logically impossible. This is why there is none good except God. Some verses about God's will: Heb 6:18, 1 Tim 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9. Here is a video that should help you to find your answer in further detail and from someone who's actually orthodox: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqWiHeho9R1q9k. Pay close attention to when he talks about will and energy. Hopefully this helps

[@JayDyer]

Genesis 1

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

Unicorns don’t exist, and yet they exist in my mind. Existence in the mind is not evidence of existence in fact.

[@JayDyer]

Well aware

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

@@JayDyer more thinking of the atheist who came on, just the argument I would have used

[@orthodoxboomergrandma3561]

Crypto… ugh…. We’re still Hodling BTC Jay…. Oy vey. I just say “oh well, I guess it’s for the grandkids”… we got in last September… I just don’t look at the price anymore

[@ducky1016]

Damn i guess im autistic😂

[@nacetroy]

Please put on Odysee.

[@tarhunta2111]

😂😂😂 .

[@vannawhitesbabbydaddy9390]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@EREN-bu3wp]

the second dude is a imposer and not entertaining.....bring da pope's feed back up 💯...BASSED🔉 ROCK Mech...🎚🎚🎚

[@faithfulservantofchrist9876]

I'm new here I have enjoyed watching some of your videos and I have picked up on something. You clearly want to make it sound like protestants just pick up the bible and interpret it to mean any damn thing. Some might but I myself don't and I believe I have the Holy Spirit because the evidence in the fruit. You were once protestant, Calvinist, Roman Catholic and now Eastern Orthodox. So you picked up the bible and started deciding/Interpreting scripture and deciding what you thought it meant. You went and read books and debates of early church fathers and picked the ones you probably thought interpreted scripture the best based on your interpretations. So basically the same thing you believe that protestants do that is wrong but what you did that lead you to where you are now. The only way to not do that is if you were already raised in the church and hold the belief that The Holy Spirit has lead that church in all truths since the beginning. Yes there are over 40,000 denominations but there are only 5 or 6 major branches. Catholic the largest true church, Protestant the 2nd largest invisible church, 3rd place goes to the True church of Eastern Orthodox, followed by Anglican, and last and certain least Non-Trinitarian which I don't know who ever included them but thats definitely not a brother in Christ. Revelation 7:9-10 English Standard Version A Great Multitude from Every Nation 9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” To me it looks like the bible has already told us the end. The invisible church of the Holy Spirit is the true Church. The Church that Paul wrote to pick one and do they teach what Eastern church today teaches all of it? You have a lot of knowledge of church history and thats awesome but clearly Paul said you must believe Jesus is Lord to be saved because Jesus makes it clear it that you must believe he is the I Am. That Jesus is the Son of God and God himself or the trinity basically. All the nature and person stuff I think is awesome but no I don't believe people like most Christians on the planet are going to hell for not know if it was the divine Jesus who preached in hell or the human nature. He also said he would be in paradise that day with the thief. He's God he can be everywhere at once so I would like to be shown where he wouldn't be.

[@andrewpirr]

A lot of people start out feeling the way you're describing, stick around and learn more about the Church and your views may change, mine did. Christ be with you

[@faithfulservantofchrist9876]

Yes, I am sure you did. A lot of that will be because you want to feel as though you are growing in your knowledge and want to belong to a group. Nazis caught on overnight because people feel more secure about themselves when they are in a group. Do you feel as though you are now a more knowledgeable christain and surer of your faith and life? My guess is you started out a protestant and now your Eastern Orthodox. Like the bible says every nation, tribe and tongue will have people in heaven. Not all nations have had the gospel. That means that the man by himself on an island can make it to heaven. God obviously has a way to judge people that arent offered the gospel. YAY Therefore you don't have to belong to a certain church to be saved.@@andrewpirr

[@JG-po5cv]

@@faithfulservantofchrist9876 "Therefore you don't have to belong to a certain church to be saved." Agreed, no one gatekeeps Christ. The veil was torn. Praise be to Jesus!

[@unforeseen03]

Ven Diesel-gram