RX 7700XT vs 6800, 6800XT, 7800xt, 3070 and more!

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[@LukeTheJoker]

For me, a RX6800 user, the most interesting thing is how far the RX6800 has improved compared to the 3070, when I bought they were pretty much the same (aside from RT obviously) but now the 6800 seems to be closer to the 3080 than the 3070? I guess that just come down to driver improvements over time.

[@chronology556]

It's also VRAM. You got double the VRAM compared to a 3070.

[@LucasHolt]

Yeah, it's kind of amazing how well the 6000 series has aged. My wife's got a 6800XT and I've got a 6900XT in our gaming PCs. When they work, they're great. On the flip side, AMD has long-standing driver bugs that don't impact most titles but are still a problem. I can't play et:legacy / enemy territory on an AMD GPU since the driver update last year (april 2022?) on certain maps without a crash. Meanwhile, it works flawlessly on ubuntu with an intel arc a750.

[@jfelm7436]

I have one too and it has been like fine wine. Got mine a few months after launch at MSRP because I could get it and at the time felt a little weird not getting nvidia. I now see the value I got with it being 3 years old and still worth buying today.

[@trakaisirsis6233]

Can relate just recently i upgraded from Vega 64 to RX6800. Because RX5000 basically experimental architecture RX6000 are polished 5000s and 7000s are again experimental but not as bad as 5000s. Also scooped mine lightly used for 380euros. So gud generation of cards

[@nikoladamnjanovic7086]

@@trakaisirsis6233 5000 bad? nowdays,maybe....2yrs back...best price ratio cards....

[@reneljubarskij3214]

6800 over 7700 XT anytime just for the extra VRAM, if they are the same price, usually i saw 6800 even being cheaper

[@LifewithDimeji]

That’s what I’m leaning towards. They are very similar in fps depending on the games and for 20 bucks cheaper I’ll take the 6800

[@GASTBF]

i love my 6800 non xt. got it for 450 cad, sold my 6700xt for 350$, cost me 100$ in reality. best move i made. i get great performance at 1440p

[@mschild95]

Really like that style of explaining the charts instead of just blasting them on screen with metal in the background.

[@MiexxxYT]

Gotta show some love to Phil for the graphics on this one. Just something as subtle as the graphics card Jay talks about flashing briefly on the chart, this helps train your eye to the relevant information as it's being spoken about. Super helpful, and well executed. Brilliant work all round, clear and consise information that's nicely and easily digestible. Keep it up chaps!

[@DaysofKnight]

I can't even get a job, so I'm beyond extreme budget. These numbers are just dust in the wind for me. It's just nice to see improvements, and Jay talking

[@JoeStuffzAlt]

I have the feeling that the RX 7700XT might be a great card in Black Friday, next year, or pre-next GPU gen. Its performance is pretty good, so I think it'll be awesome after price drops

[@thomaslayman9487]

agree, if it ever drops below $400 it'll be a very very interesting card for a midrange pc

[@FrogOf4Chan]

It's a great replacement card for the gtx 10 series holdouts.

[@makunouchiippo816]

Black Friday is a scam. You can test it yourself... Start watching the prices maybe one month before black friday. You will see that prices will go up for hardware. Then when black friday starts they will give "discounts". But you will realize these discounts are only the price before increasing the price before black friday.

[@AnGhaeilge]

@@FrogOf4Chan That's me :) Still using my GTX 1080. Going to upgrade to the 7800xt I think.

[@FrogOf4Chan]

@AnGhaeilge That card held its value so dang well, I wish I had bought a 1080TI when it came out... Frame that old GPU and put it on the wall, it deserves to be shown off.

[@tobalaz]

After being disappointed with the 7800 vs the 6800, the 7700 vs the 6700 looks pretty sharp. But I'm sticking with my 6900xt for now.

[@SwingArmCity]

I wouldnt upgrade. 6900 xt is great. Only thing is if....you care about power consumption 6900 xt loses.

[@LGBTGROOMSOURCHILDREN]

I got the XFX speedster with a water block, I was hoping the 7900 was going to be amazing I'm kind of worried it won't knock it upgrade if that's the case.

[@ayol1011]

@@SwingArmCity probably true but the dude already have the card. There's no point to shell out more for a performance that is within margin of error.

[@SwingArmCity]

@ayol1011 I agree, keep the 6900xt. Only thing I see that could affect some people's decision to upgrade to the 7xxx cards would be Av1 encoding and fsr3 and whatever else.

[@chaon93]

in fairness, the 6800xt released at 649, the 7800xt released at 500. So at least the prices make some level of sense.

[@entityoddity]

This whole generation of PC hardware from GPUs to CPUs has been a roller coaster with some of the hardware being extremely impressive and others not so much as well as the cost. It makes me curious if we're going to see a change for the better with the next gen or if it's just going to get worse

[@dango2917]

Probably worse until one of them have a major loss, I am still sitting on my 2080TI with a 2600X just waiting until i feel theres an actual deal

[@sweetfeather260]

Dang man that's an unbalanced system! respect for rockin' it though@@dango2917

[@jayb2705]

On the GPU side, there isn't much improvement unless you go for the top end on both sides (4090/7900XTX). The CPU side has great competition because the two sides provide similar performance, so there is a lot of value all along the product stack. I think the GPU's will get better next gen, we had one "bad" generation with Turing (2000 series) and then the next one was good. Nvidia will keep pulling that trick of pretending to be your friend again and saying "it's safe to upgrade now". I just hope Intel comes out with something special to shake up the GPU market.

[@sweetfeather260]

@@jayb2705 it feels like every other gen is designed to be a "refresh" of the previous gen (sometimes yielding great results, sometimes not) where they attempt to deliver similar performance at less power/resource cost

[@sweetfeather260]

@@jayb2705 where they fall flat is definitely at price point

[@Broshan69]

Just got the RX 6800, very happy to be honest. Last gpu was a 2060 and this is a very big upgrade.

[@DerpyDimentio]

Undervolt it, it takes it very well

[@zarkomiltenov5440]

How rx 6800 seems? And should i get 1440p monitor or 1080p? Can it get 144 fps on 1440p?

[@IkuMiku96]

I was confused and fact check myself, Jay kept saying 6800 is navi 22. But, RX 6800 is Navi 21, using XL variant with 3840 shaders (most cutted of die). In that sense though, RX 7700 XT is architecturely impressive with 3456 shaders when its side by side to RX 6800 on 3DMark Time Spy. Made my 2nd RX 6800 purchase at $320 a solid purchase (undervolted and limit power to 190W)

[@RobBCactive]

Yep, when RDNA2 was planned there was not only no '90, but they couldn't expect the high yields, after all Intel were stuck on 14nm. So the 6800 was a slowly clocked heavily cut down die, it was rare while 6800xt & 6900xt were in high demand. Given high yields expected on 5nm with smaller GCD/MCD dies, there was no reason to plan cutting Navi31 down on launch. Furthermore they had only 3 dies for 4 model numbers, 1 short. All these marketing names are just arbitrary, XT's being added like crazy because past XT models sold better. Better to go by die, bus width, CU and frequency.

[@WayStedYou]

He also called 30 series pascal when its ampere and pascal is 10 series

[@102728]

​@@WayStedYou Yea.. That's why I don't come here for reviews, more for another set of benchmark data to compare to more reliable reviews. Maybe it sounds a bit nitpicky, but I do see this as an issue though. People new to pc hw are likely to land on this channel and take these mistakes as fact, leading to confusion down the line when everywhere else says something different. And it's the kind of stuff that is incredibly straightforward to verify and honestly I'd expect someone to know if they're gonna put out a review. I mean I get it, there's time pressure around a new launch and they were probably tired from benchmarking, but it just diminishes their reliability. I'd love to recommend this channel to people new to hardware to get to know the basics without the more technical reviews that may be too much, but as long as such simple mistakes slip through I'm not gonna.

[@patriksmondrk4835]

I like my RX 6800 and I'm sticking with it. No point for me to update at this point. Until I get at least 50% more performance per dollar, or some ground-breaking functionality, no point to update. But overall I think for a new buyer the card looks really good

[@handyman1957]

Was seriously thinking of buying a 7800xt but after seeing Gamers Nexus show all their charts. I purchased a ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming for $539 brand new on NewEgg. I has a more matured driver and has had time to play out any bugs. Also, this version is over clocked out of the box and runs almost the same as a 6900xt : )

[@Theworthsearcher]

The RX 6800 is a good card. ;)

[@TERMINATOR-0002]

​@@handyman1957I did the same. Though the model I got was the phantom gaming one.

[@bravozero6]

You only have to upgrade like every 4 years honestly

[@davitsk1]

I bought the card only 6 months ago! haha. Gonna keep it for a few years is the plan

[@mannydcbianco]

Out of all the cards I have had over the past nine or so years (three Nvidia and two AMD) the 6700 XT has been my absolute favorite, by far. My current one, a 7900 XT, is obviously much, much faster, but the 6700 XT will always hold a special place in my heart. I got that thing brand spanking new on sale for just 279 dollars, and it performed so damn well at that price point. Nothing else was, or is, even close as far as new cards go. If you factor in used cards then of course things might look different. The 7700 XT seems like it might be a worthy successor, especially once the price drops (like it always does with AMD cards). At sub 400 the 7700 XT will hit such a sweet spot in price vs performance for mid range gaming for people who don't or won't buy used.

[@elderofblack]

6700xt has been king of the price point at 1080p for 6 months now. Its nice to see an actual increase for performance to dollar for next gen.

[@mughug9616]

Agree.

[@MrCmutschl]

Jay! Love the effort and all the work you guys put in behind the scenes. I would love to see just one or two slides on power efficiency between some of the cards. Especially some between the new and potential previous year models. Keep up the great work!

[@geeknproud321]

I dislike RTX4000 for reasons of principle but the hardware is lovely. For a really close comparison of generational efficiency, look at benchmarks comparing the 10GB 3080 and the 4080. They have the same TDP however 4080 is substantially more performative. Over 50% faster in many cases. The efficiency leap is HUGE. Were 4080 priced normally, it would be the #1 card to have for a few years in a row.

[@jamesneutron8580]

i think the 6800 is going to be AMDs version of the GTX 1080, a tank of a card thats going to be relevant.even almost a decade after launch

[@TheFlamerGamer3]

Just bought one myself for a steal of $350 new and putting it in a Linux build with a 5800x and 32GB of RAM. Going to be a television PC for trying to have better than console performance in a mini ATX build.

[@janosmaiden8219]

And here I am still rocking my strix 1080 ti, it still checks my boxes that I need it to do. But this looks promising!

[@brianemmons675]

similar for me as still rocking my Strix Vega 64

[@gamersanonymous4me131]

Nvidia crushed themselves by releasing the 1080ti Never had one but, gotta respect that card as prolly the GOAT of all time, the thing refuses to become obsolecent. I run a 5700xt and it does just fine on Cyberpunk with fsr 2.1 (cdpr until their last update wouldn't give us 3.0) running (BM) 1440p at 95 fps on a 144hz 1440p monitor. It is still the most impressive graphics I have seen on a late gen AAA game, but i dont play every game out there either. Upscaling and frame gen gave new life to the older cards from both AMD and Nvidia. I dont use frame gen (need the lower latency).

[@hacob2004]

People keep saying that 7800 xt is actually the replacement for the 6700 xt and the 7900 xt is the replacement for the 6800 xt but in the case of 7700 xt you actually get a decent performance bump over its predecessor at around 20% or so. It's the 7800 xt that gives you very little to no performance bump over what it's replacing. The problem is that small $50 gap for a big jump in performance. Very strange stack of products from AMD this year.

[@obeliskt1024]

The way I choose to see it is that the 7800xt is the successor to the $579 Rx6800 (non-xt) and looking at the performance gain, it's a little impressive and considering the cost is lower, it's good enough. Now, that 7700xt is weird because it's got more shaders than the 6700xt (and more performance of course), it's got lower msrp but is priced too close to the 7800xt. I'm keen to see the 7700xt at below 399$ a couple of months from now. (heck even 349 maybe) Now what's sad is the true successor to the 6800xt which could be the 7900GRE but it's basically close to non existent, unofficially priced at $649 and then the next step up is the usually $750 7900xt which should be below 700 eventually.

[@gmt1]

7700 XT and 7800 XT are within AU$100 depending on the card which at AU$800 to AU$999 is the same for a 4070 in Australia.

[@lightningevo5429]

the 7700xt is a much better value now

[@Vexatious00111000]

Got mine today for £290. £50 cheaper than I bought my 5700xt 4 years ago!

[@ancientslav4863]

6700xt, for 1080p gaming, is the better value. Le me happy and proud of my 350$ purchase of the red devil 6800 xt 16gb since 2022.

[@BMW-sd6nn]

​@Vexatious00111000 amazon or something? Looking to finally retire my beloved 5700xt aswell

[@lightningevo5429]

@@BMW-sd6nn im using a 7800 xt rn and its pretty good value. Idk. Since modern games are getting less and less better optimization

[@BMW-sd6nn]

@lightningevo5429 ots so annoying have you seen how absolutely awful Monster hunter wilds runs on beast hardware for the beta? It's a joke

[@lukesaosky1860]

I got a sapphire nitro+ 7800xt this morning I can’t wait to put it in my system

[@drwalka10]

Congrats man🧍‍♂️

[@trigintatres9787]

Mine is on the way!

[@astanisystems]

It's a beast of a graphics card, at least for me, since I'm coming from GTX 960 4GB.

[@CrispyRounds]

When I learned the 7xxx series was releasing, I was watching prices of the 6700xt and 6800xt to see if pricing was going to drop in hopes for the pushing out of older cards. But now seeing the numbers, I will just save a little longer to get the 7700xt and not need an upgrade for a hot minute. I wont be getting a 6900xt or 6950xt base on power consumption numbers. Currently running a RX570 (yes a 570, not a 5700, that I am absolutely beating the piss out of) ANY card is an upgrade but I always think about how long I can extend the window of necessary upgrades.

[@TheRealBleach]

Check out the 6800 non XT. Killer deals to be had and it usually runs 180W max for me at stock settings.

[@DaDarkGuy]

It depends on the titles you mainly play. I grabbed my 6700 XT around the beginning of this year for around $250, and I have been through the moon with it upgrading from my 1660. Probably won't upgrade for a few years now

[@fluphybunny930]

7700xt is dead in the water just buy the 6800xt or the 7800xt

[@tomokun3234]

Im on the same boat except mine is rx 560

[@alexandersarver3463]

Don't do it, the 7700xt will drop in price in a month or so. They did this same strategy for the 7900xt and xtx when it launched.

[@jconsentino]

Been running a Gigabyte 5700XT for the past 3+ years now and I wasn't in the market for a new GPU until I realized just how much more advanced these cards have become in recent years. Got my eyes on the 7800XT this holiday.

[@sergiolandz6056]

im on a rx 580 4gb right now and got me a 4060ti 8gb. The price was right ( black friday deal ) and for some odd reason where i live, the AMD cards are all pricey AF. Except for the lower end stuff like the 7600 and 6600.. another issue i have with most AMD cards is the makers, they always make HUGE cards and my case is not the biggest, so i have to settle for anything under 300mm. The only company right now making the right sized amd card worth buying is Sapphire and they are just as pricey as the nvidia 4000 series. I hate the economy where i live it makes no sense.

[@patsk8872]

@@sergiolandz6056 I am also on an older 4GB card, but can't stomach buying only an 8GB card now, after seeing how high VRAM usage is getting.

[@builtbywalsh]

Coming from a 1080ti, anything in this bracket is going to be a good choice for me. I’ll likely pick up the 7800XT. If I already had a 30 series RTX card or 6000 series AMD card I’d probably skip this generation, but for my buck this is actually the first release in a while that’s starting to make sense on paper

[@thealien_ali3382]

I have a rtx 3080 but next year I will jump to AMD need to see which AMD GPU is better then the 3080

[@joebarthram596]

Coming from a 1060 6gb, looking forward to getting one of these two cards, not decided on 700/800 yet...

[@southboundtp2067]

I'm still kinda scratching my head but strongly leaning towards the 7800xt myself. The GRE seems just as interesting but a little expensive.

[@paulfrost3474]

This is the competition I was looking for, not only CPU but also GPU. Well done AMD! THX Jay, like always, very good review.

[@fluphybunny930]

Sad thing is these cards aren't good value. It is NVidias insane pricing that makes them look reasonable.

[@bias69]

I read those comments everywhere under 7700 and 7800 reviews and I don't get them, 7800 is a bit faster than 6800 xt and costs (at least here) more. After 3 years there is no real upgrade and ray tracing performance is at 3070 level which means it's better to just buy 4070.

[@bigdaddykaisr8148]

​@@fluphybunny930imagine

[@SupremeDP]

When it hits 350 I'll probably snatch one of these. Good on AMD for finally putting out something actually kinda decent though.

[@cristianstefanm6478]

In the US, the differerence between the 7700xt and 7800xt is 50$. In my country, the difference is 100-120$.

[@bertburch]

I got a XFX 6800, non XT, during a good sale. It runs like a champ although it seems to be an odd ball in the group. Price per acceptable frame rate met my needs.

[@sanmaan]

I got the sane graphics card, can you tell if a gold rated 650 W PSU is enough for it ?

[@bertburch]

I am using a 650 Gold + 5800X CPU with no problems. I did undervolted -20 the GPU.@@sanmaan

[@hanyo1o132]

I feel like they would sell more of both cards if they lowered the price of the 7700XT by $50. Its borderline DOA because they are competing with themselves.

[@iamstd2]

My theory is that the current pricing is an upsell to the 7800XT. $400 and below 6000 cards (6700/6700XT/6750XT) are still out there and I bet you they are trying to empty out that stock first, THEN the 7700XT price will come down. By this point, the higher end 6000 series is becoming really scarce which allows AMD to price the 7800XT more competitively right out of the gate. I imagine the 7700XT will get its $50 discount by the time black friday rolls around.

[@Dazzxp]

Yeah for 50$ it's clearly to try and upsell the 7800XT@@iamstd2

[@obeliskt1024]

@@iamstd2 True, what AMD did now is a 50/50 answer to the complaints that they've always launched overpriced cards only to lower the price a month or two later (but at that time the bad reviews have already scarred the product from the customers pov) So now, they priced the 7700xt to upsell the 7800xt and to eventually have it at below 400$ while the 7800xt will probably stay at 480-500$ still even if there are sales because they can dominate that price segment (unless Nvidia pulls a fast one and discount the 4070 to 500$) Heck, AMD could even lower the 7800xt to 450$ and the 7700xt at 379$ or something and they'd sell like hotcakes.

[@Timmycoo]

Always nice when Jay listens to his fans and adds used cards. 3080 is a beast and I knew it still would be compared to the more "moderately cheap" GPUs (sad to say that at that price nowadays)

[@eddiethehead5988]

Used 3080 or 6800 XT seem the logical choices nowadays.

[@Timmycoo]

@@eddiethehead5988 IF you can find a good used price because damn with this release - 6080 prices went up lol.

[@ashf585]

Bought an Asus RX 6800 XT TUF OC Yesterday and basically everything I've played has been 4K Ultra/Extreme settings with zero issues or struggle. Only game that's kicking it's ass is TLOU Episode 1... I'm comfortable gaming at 60fps as I don't really notice a difference at 120fps so I can get better quality in games at a satisfying fps. I think it's safe to say I'm golden on gaming for the next few years and maybe even during the early stages of the next Xbox and Playstation. RT doesn't bother me so I don't use it unless it's on an older title. At 4K 60fps Ultra my RX 6800 XT rarely hits 60 degrees and rarely ever needs to use its fans. Best value GPU imo.

[@thymirusconfederatus]

A used 6950 XT with a two-year warranty can be had here for 550. I'll just go with that for friends' builds over the next few months.

[@CrazO9111]

Power consumption and the heat is really shit with this card. You will better stay with 6800XT.

[@j.j.kelley1393]

So glad I bought my Red Dragon RX 6800 XT 16GB when I did!!!

[@Jabo5402]

For fun look at the thermal paste on the fxf card. After you use it for a while. I repasted my 7900xt and the thermal paste was like a gel or dried out. High junction temps were the reason I checked.

[@handyman1957]

My 6750xt had a 20 degree delta between hot spot and average die temp. Didn't want to re-paste since I could not find any data as to what thickness the pads were. Just bought a ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming and that thing has a monster cooler on it. Reviews say it runs pretty cool. Time will tell.

[@Jabo5402]

Mine is the xfx 7900xt. The cooler is a monster but I was getting a 30c plus Delta. After the repast I'm now seeing 11c in the delta. Much better 😃

[@michaeldejode473]

Clarity is something companies don't want for the consumer, the more confusing it is the better! You can see this in many kinds of businesses. A wrong purchase is still a sell and a wrong purchase might lead to another sell.

[@jackeriksen6753]

Good to see AMD getting back in the game, I will never forget my HD 5970 :D Not aiming for top entusiast anymore, but darn that was a awesome card!

[@DavidSondermann]

Still got two Sapphire HD5970 and one HD5970 with 2GB Vram each chip. Super rare model :D

[@TeamGun]

I'm just so proud of how the rx6800 performed. What a great buy, I'm going to run it until Amd releases a rx8800xt.

[@justinpatterson5291]

I was considering a 6700XT to upgrade from my 2060. But, it might be a 7700XT. Despite what I said lastnight. The 7700XT does a good job.

[@yokinakasaki5598]

Your going to pay $150 dollars more for the 7700xt vs the 6700xt.

[@justinpatterson5291]

@@yokinakasaki5598 yeah. But a 6700xt isn't as quick as a 7700xt

[@yokinakasaki5598]

@justinpatterson5291 yeah go for it. I just bought the 6700xt, but I don't know if I want to spend that much more haha.

[@BlackJesus8463]

@@justinpatterson5291 Thanks Captain Obvious but the 7700XT isn't as quick as a 7800XT.

[@WayStedYou]

if you are going to spend that much extra over a 6700xt cut price just get the 7800XT its much faster than the 7700XT @@justinpatterson5291

[@KatamuroTheFirst]

I think they should have simplifed the naming scheme so going from lower to higher end they would have 7600>7700>7800>7900>7900xt, ignoring the GRE variant because it's a limited launch. That way I think it would be clearer

[@hunter1651]

Thank you for including the 3070!

[@denwaontheisland3555]

AMD's model is to release a x700 and x800 card where it makes no sence $$ wise to buy the lower card on release. This puts action into the "better" card. Once sales in that card are high enough they drop the price of the x700 cards. Then they lower the x7800 cards then the x700 cards till we get the next gen. It's an obvious formula really. Nvidea does a similar thing, though I think Jenens approach is less justifiable regarding new gen vs last gen namning. Kinda picture him shooting airsoft gubs at price lists to get the prices.

[@ksolo614]

Would be nice to add some modern games in his benchmark suite.

[@particles343]

I really love my 6700xt. It was cheap, but I was not disappointed.

[@carliton7221]

Thanks for sharing us the best summary / complete perspective of this release including used GPUs. I don't really need accuracy but a good relative perspective between comparable cards and you nailed it. Again thank you.

[@frantisekmosna6933]

Damn, what a buy I've done with my 296$ XFX 6800

[@edwarda.tokash8166]

I'd like to point out that the RX 6800 is actually a Navi 21XL (reduced specs vs 21) not a Navi 22. It has 60 compute units like the 7800XT.

[@yomatokamari]

navi21xtx was the full die and why the 7900 was called a xtx

[@MrBigrex88]

I just picked up a msi 3070 ti still under Warranty with paperwork from fb marketplace for 140$ can't complain about performance for that price. Great video once again

[@aphermion]

While I'm not in the target demographic for this card, I do appreciate the competition. Though I wish AMD could stick it to Nvidia across the field, not just to the midrange months later. I wanna see them innovate, rather than running after Nvidia.

[@PineyJustice]

4090 is the only card nvidia has any real advantage with. The 7900xtx is faster and 200$ cheaper than a 4080 with 8gb more vram. The 7900xt smacks the 4070ti with 8gb more vram, the 7800xt beats 4070 with 4gb more vram and the 7700xt makes the 4060ti look silly.

[@jeffscott3186]

@@PineyJustice Aside from feeling they needed to fill the pricing point, I don't see why Nvidia released the 4060ti.

[@AlaricCrow]

I got a used 6700XT for $280 a year and a half ago when you couldn’t find used ones for less than $350-$400. So I won’t complain about the performance comparison!

[@Thrillhouse200]

Nice video but I think you should have had a 4070 on these charts.

[@JustinBowsher]

My toddler caught me laughing at the cold open and he made me play it again 20 times

[@andrewwinyard1008]

With regards to the 5700xt not loading Forza Horizon, I've experienced a very similar issue where it crashes to desktop after the initial loading screen. It turned out to be a conflict with the version of MSI Afterburner / Riva Tuner I was running. The game would not boot whilst MSI and Riva were running. Disabling those two would allow the game to boot. I resolved it in the end by installing later versions of MSI and Riva and the problem went away. Obviously not much help if you're using MSI to report FPS numbers for your benchmarking, but may be worth a try to see if that's the issue for you!

[@krisrobitzsch]

Even though much of nothing makes sense these days. It’s still a really good time for buying a gpu. There’s just so many really strong, affordable and available cards out there.

[@nukedathlonman]

Yes, agreed, AMD is doing a far better job at controlling costs - though the 7700 XT is priced really awkwardly - and that's despite it trampling both 4060 TI's into oblivion at it's price point. Yes I do agree that the 7800 XT's performance does warrant spending an additional $50 USD. Also feel AMD is doing a better job at listening to what we wanted hardware wise. But this gen, I'm not getting warm and fuzzy feelings regarding value for dollar... I'm not in the US market, and while prices do follow US pricing fairly well, the value for the performance one gets just doesn't look all that good relative to other generations of GPU's. Well, good thing the previous gen GPU's are doing fairly well with that.

[@gavinthomas214]

I really appreciate you including the 3070 in this review. That's a welcome change from some other reviews.

[@jimmis.christensen953]

Was looking forward to see the 7700/7800XT Benchmarks, having a RTX2080 i want to upgrade. Guessing i'll be going with the 7800XT since it's just 50$ more, and give a longer lifespan imo.

[@douglasv4266]

I am on a RTX2080S and like you have been looking at upgrade options as well mainly as some games are having issues due to lack of RAM at 1440p and seem to either start failing to load in textures after 45 mins or so of playing time or performance drops like a stone after a while. Here in the UK it would seem there is actually a £110 price increase between the cheapest 7700TX and the 7800TX's that are actually in stock and available to purchase, so if that does not change in the next few week I will probably go with the 7700TX.

[@Theworthsearcher]

Very good decision but before that it is good to remove all the nvidia stuff, otherwise there might be some issues. You can only do it, until your nvidia card is in your system.

[@themusesquad8554]

I don't think using used card with new is fair or reasonable. I don't know why people ask for it. Maybe for a Price per Frame chart it would make sense.

[@slickrounder6045]

Unsure why Jay keeps insisting the 6800 (not-xt) is "Navi 22" when every official spec and website says that it's Navi 21. Even in the 7800xt review video, within 1 graph there was claims that the 6800 was Navi 21, then it magically became Navi 22 in the next graph. That being said the 7800xt is the direct successor to the 6800 (not-XT) because they share the same CU count and are similar in most other specs.

[@hookback]

Jay isn't exactly known for delivering facts.

[@CrazyNutDenmark]

WEEEEE... i have a Radeon 6700 XT, and it is in the chart... Very informative...

[@I_AM_NOVA.]

Love from Nigeria 2nd Jay Z

[@thibni_]

What?

[@nahidnabil3173]

Tf?

[@2Kaleb]

❤

[@sp00der23]

2nd jay z is crazy

[@hmello3250]

people are so full of bad vibes they get confused over a dude sending love. send this man a free 7700xt, he deserves it.

[@roki977]

rx6800 is also navi 21, bigger die.. Thats why its so efficeint, big chip low tdp and probably best buy out of the bunch with current prices.. 6750xt, 6700xt and 6700 are navi 22..

[@DChosenOneD]

A bit of a correction to make. The 6800 (non XT) is actually Navi 21 (not 22). If we were to compare gen over gen by *die size* in the stack, then: - 7900 XTX vs 6900XT/6950 XT - 7900 XT vs 6800 XT - 7900 GRE vs 6800 - 7800 XT vs 6700XT/6750 XT - 7700 XT vs 6700 10 GB - 7600 vs 6600XT/6650XT By that comparison AMD has made pretty large gen over gen performance gains (with the exception of the 7600 unless you compared it to cut down Navi 23 with the RX 6600), but the naming scheme is all over the place.

[@Kraken-Slayer]

I just pulled the trigger on the 7800 xt. I am moving from a 1070 ti. I waited for this video to come out so I could justify the extra $50

[@ElTeeger]

Dang two videos in one day?! Is it my birfday?!?!

[@OptimousePrime]

You bet your sweet ass it's a double day baby 😂

[@tobalaz]

I'm diggin this day!

[@farazalikhan5242]

It should have been 1 video

[@davidderechtee]

from an experienced 5700 xt user, sometimes you just need to reinstall drivers and take away a little bit core clock

[@benjamintan2733]

Impressive results. Seems like the price is on par, but of course, with the economy and inflation rate, it's kinda expensive. But as for me, I think another 50 dollars for 7800XT is still okay since it has more horsepower should you wish to game at 4k or maybe future proofing a bit.

[@AndreCroy]

I build my S/O a brand new system every 2 years or so. Now, they are still using the 5950X and a 3090TI. I am still on a 1080Ti and 8700K. The pricing and naming B.S. that has been going on have completely turned me off to P.C.'s and I have been custom building since 1996.

[@stripedhyenuh]

I thought I was going to finally have a clear idea on my next build after today with the AMD GPU launches, but now I'm even more confused on what to get.

[@Ladioz]

Why? Its so easy. 7800 XT clear choice

[@-Burb]

@@Ladioz Lol yeah sure, go for the card that’s been cut down so much it’s worse than a 6800XT

[@Ladioz]

@@-Burb both the 7700 XT and 7800 XT are brilliant cards

[@bias69]

If you care about ray tracing 4070 is still the best choice. Also DLSS is still better. 7800 has rt performance comparable to 3070, so is barely usable.

[@handyman1957]

EXACTLY! Three years later and the "equivalent" card that should have beat it, is getting worse or near even fps as the 6800xt. In fact, Gamers Nexus showed the 7800xt almost 2/3rds worse than a 6800xt. The only thing the 7800xt has going for it is that it's more efficient. Even the 6000 series cards will get FSR3. Given, it's cheaper than the 6800xt was at sale and it has that also. But if your after performance I would go with the 6800xt any day. More mature drivers and has had 3 years to work out all the bugs. Solid platform. @@-Burb

[@SonicAngel2020]

Loving the old cards in the charts, as a 3080 owner I get to see how it does against the new kids and just how far I need to go for an actual upgrade. Brilliant.

[@g1zmo85]

Would love to see it compared to a 3060 too

[@dropmymonkey7073]

Same I’ve got a 3060 to ftw3 card and wondering if I should upgrade, definitely not going 4000 series

[@luckygaming6687]

i upgraded to 7800xt from 3060ti@@dropmymonkey7073

[@aaz1992]

It's wild that my new RTX 4080 laptop is matching the desktop 3080 in Jay's numbers EXACTLY! 130fps in no RT 1080p cyberpunk, and the same 60 fps with RT on. And the average power draw on the 4080 is only 120W. Insane efficiency gains gen-on-gen

[@yankumarrah]

Even adjusted for inflation the price of GPUs is too damn high. Remember when you could get a flagship for 600 bucks maybe 1K? Well Pepperidge Farm remembers…

[@OneDollaBill]

And these dies are small af. Also gddr6 has come down a lot in price from what it was 2 years ago

[@luboslavbujnak2022]

Forget the data... that color scheme tho! 10/10

[@RubyRoks]

Kinda disappointed in this one for the money. I was hoping gen on gen improvements, and more stuff packed into each die, would mean this would be closer to or more consistently exceed the 6800 in performance. If this were $50 less, it'd make more sense to go with this instead of the 7800XT

[@drwalka10]

Your unrealistic. Expecting generational leaps every new addition to the series

[@RubyRoks]

​@@drwalka10 I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm

[@flimermithrandir]

This was and still is a throw away Gen from both Companys. They are sacrificing it to bring us „better“ Stuff next Gen. They also still need to sell through heir old GPUs so they cant go to low to soon anyways either (which is why they launch soooo late too). All this is happening also because they saw Prices are high and they want it to keep it that Way. The longer they can push for more Money the better for them. I expect Nvidia to wait longer for new Cards (or Super Cards up to the 4070 Super, the 4080 will get lower Priced when the TI Launches if it launches). They seem to wait until 2025 to Launch their new 50 Class Cards as it seems. With AMD its the Opposite, they want to Launch the new Cards as soon as possible in 2024 next Year but Rumors have it they will not have highest End Cards around this Time… which wont be an Issue if they manage to make actually good Cards again. Meaning if they can make a 8800XT that is 50% better than the 7800XT it will be fine… if the Price is not absurd. We will see what happens but thats what i expect from all the Infos i gathered from Leaks and official Sources.

[@Sptn051]

I'm seeing 3080tis for $450 in my local area of Virginia Beach. Hell, I got my own with a waterblock for $650. Still a stupid card at launch but used it's a whole different beast.

[@HuntaKiller91]

Better be $329 by nxt year Just like how 6700xt turns out to be That 7800XT would be good for $400

[@zagato3600]

RX 6800 is based on Navi 21 and not 22. Basic error a well known publication really should not be making.....

[@OneDollaBill]

These cards look like a joke from Amd. The 7800xt is within margin of error from the 6800xt. In europe the 7800xt costs almost 600€, while you can buy the 6800xt for just over 500€. The real 7800xt is the 7900xt, which offers the around ~30% performance gains over the 6800xt. And the real 7700xt is the actual 7800xt.

[@Broskm]

So weird to finally own a top end card to go back and watch reviews of these middle tier cards. Didn’t realize how big a jump i made till I watched this video..

[@s-nooze]

I'm so sick of this gen just roll out the next one and drop the prices already😊

[@_seriousrob_]

Same here. I really hoped that the 7800XT would be a better than that or the 7700XT would be cheaper for what we got.

[@farazalikhan5242]

Wait until 2025 😁

[@s-nooze]

​@@_seriousrob_once they sell through 6000 series I hope they drop prices of 7000 series again I feel like they are still too much and 6000 still being on shelves it's like AMD is competing with themselves and reducing demand for their own products.

[@SwingArmCity]

They did drop the prices.

[@s-nooze]

@@SwingArmCity they need to do it again once the inflated 6000 cards sell out which is what I said

[@Dan-Simms]

Just like the 4070ti, wrong name for the 7800xt but at least the price isn't horrible. This one at least is a clear winner over last gens 6700xt but with the price so close to the 7800xt it's a hard choice. I'll probably wait a year to see how the prices fall.

[@gamesmaster1060]

yes wait a year, then wait another year, keep waiting, you could do that forever in the pc hardware space

[@astro143_]

I like this generation of AMD cards because they just look like normal graphics cards, they're not huge and power hungry and burning connecters. I have no issues running what I want to run with my 3070, and I really want to hold on until next gen for an upgrade, but that 7800XT really does look like a nice upgrade to what I have now. Maybe this will spark Nvidia to get their heads out of their butts and come back strong next round. One can always dream.

[@erickelly4107]

Current Nvidia GPU’s are generally morepower efficient than AMD’s - The RTX 4090 / 4080 / 4070 are really impressive in this regard. As far a “burning power connectors” this has not been an issue for over 99% of people and plenty after market alternatives are available - so not really an “issue”. The issue with the RTX 4000 series is the following: 1.) RTX 4060 / 4060Ti should have both been 12GB of VRAM and $299 / $399 2.) RTX 4080 should cost $999.99

[@BL33NB]

Nah i fear they are lost to AI stuff...

[@astroidexadam5976]

@@erickelly4107 The 4060 and 4060 Ti should have had 12GB 192 bit VRAM and around similar amount of Cuda cores as the 3070 and 3070 Ti instead of less than the 3060 and 3060 Ti respectively. The RTX 4070 and 4070 Ti should have had been 16GB 256bit for around $499(4070 non Ti) and $549 or $599(4070 Ti), the 4080 should have had from the beginning 20GB 320bit memory and for around between $699 to $899 while the 4090 was the only card that was basically fine as it is except for being $100 more expensive than the 3090.

[@FunWithAJ]

Wish the 6750xt would have been compared here

[@hadifelani]

It's simply an overclocked out-of-the-box 6700XT, the performance vs 6700XT is small when compared to the performance difference between 6800 and 6800XT.

[@Lucromis]

The Radeon hd 5870 was high end, and the 6870 was mid range. They change the naming scheme sometimes, especially when the number of cards that gen changes. I can’t believe how long it’s taken for this gen of cards to release.

[@mughug9616]

Recently upgraded my GPU and I went for a RX 6800 XT instead of a RX 7700 XT. The reasons were 1 - Price saving (at the time), 2 - More VRAM and 3 - similar performance. Running dual 2K+ monitors on the GPU, I love the 6800 XT and do not regret the purchase, even in 2024. Upgraded from a RX 6700 XT by buying a good 6800 XT deal on Amazon and then selling the old RX 6700 XT on eBay, the upgrade was done for stupidly low cost. And was the upgrade worth it? The 6800 XT kicks the 6700 XTs butt everywhere from FPS, RPGs and all the way to flight simulators. I am one very happy camper. :)

[@Northkalman]

We had the same experience. Got a 6700xt which I bought for $220 6 months ago. 2 weeks ago I traded it to a brand new 6800xt with 1yr warranty by just adding $100 so in total I got a 6800xt for more or less $300. This card kicks any game at 1440p max settings, trade blows with the 7800xt, and beats the 3080 and 4070 out of the water like its a cheat code 😅

[@SpottedHares]

Since by biggest limiting factor right now is what i use for a monitor , capping me at 1080p 60fps, upgrading is also a factor of what sort of money i would have to spend of monitors. And right now that is more of a wait and see sort of situation, November sales are just under ten week away atm, since i will have to consider both the price of a card and a new monitor as not getting a new monitor really hampers what i could gain from upgrading my card.

[@DaviesBenchmarks]

Would like to see video of 3060 ti 8gb and 4060 ti 8gb & 16gb with the recent NVidia drivers.

[@BotterZA]

So what you're saying is, is that i can finally upgrade from my old 1080gtx to a new decent card 😊

[@NormUno]

Really informative video, I have a 3080 and though I'm not maximizing it's capabilities was looking to swap it out for a amd, definitely will be waiting now for the 8000series

[@handyman1957]

Yup, 3080 is still holding it's own : )

[@_Chuck_]

I sold my 1070 ti for 170$ and bought a used rx 6700 xt msi mech x2 oc for 200$. I can say that I'm proud of my acquisition. 👍

[@StrikedOut2011]

Was happy to fiond an EVGA 3090 FTW3 for £650 GBP, great price as many are still going for close to £1k. Also glad to have another EVGA product in my case.

[@videoviewer2008]

I'll be sitting on my 6800XT for now. But glad prices are down, will be good to have more uses in the AMD family. Hopefully the 8800XT have a bit more uplift, i want more frames in MSFS VR, but without nvidia prices.

[@CrazO9111]

Bought a used 6800XT msi tro for 400$. I think i will wait for blackwell and 8000er amd series end of the next year. No need to Upgrade anything, the prices are to expensive and not worth it. FSR3 we got all allready for ray traycing.

[@Hito343]

Bought 3080 TUF for a 380 bucks and loving it! However the risk of buying used is there, always test the card at the seller's place and even then you don't know how he ran the card but if it passes long Furmark run and all that jazz, temps good then it's probably going to be okay.

[@CrazO9111]

I bought a used 6800xt for 400$ and im really happy. Now its time to wait for blackwell and 8000er amd series end of the next year.

[@Hito343]

Pretty good enjoy! I was on a R9 290X (basically a RX 580 perf) for insane 10 years, however it looks like games got demanding quite faster than usual so this 3080 might not last me as long but I don't chase FPS/Ultra anyway so.

[@Bluelagoonstudios]

I'm still happy with my 6750XT trio paired with a Ryzen 7 5800X, I know these are not the newest setup's, but I choose price vs what you get, and I don't game much. Of course, my next build will be on the AM5 platform, with the same mindset. And I pair parts through reading a lot of data sheets. And price deals. Always brought me great results.

[@HifeMan]

I upgraded to the 5800X3D from an 2700X and I’m hoping I can keep it going till AM6 before an full upgrade is needed.

[@handyman1957]

5800X3D is still holding it's own. Don't regret getting it.@@HifeMan

[@domeberlin4480]

@@HifeMan sure you can ! it has 3d cache ! much better as the normal cpus without

[@user-jd3pk1bz8e]

You don't even need to upgrade until am6 with those specs at this stage

[@pietpompies7381]

Thanks for giving us a broad view of how the cards stack up.

[@n4m3l3ss0n31]

I bought a Saphire 7900 XT Nitro+ Vapor-X a month ago and I do expect it to last for some time for me. Well, until last year I was on i5-3570K with 1050 non-Ti... The 5800X3D with this card should last at least the same time hopefully.

[@handyman1957]

Man, that's a huge upgrade. I remember when I got my 5800X3D and was like, WOW. Now paired with a ASRock Radeon RX 6800 XT Taichi Gaming is going to last me for years to come : )

[@drewbeck6815]

From everything I'm seeing on this gen of video cards and Cpu. I'm gonna just skip them and wait and see what next year brings. Thanks for the info Jay and crew

[@jake.907]

built my first PC a Rx 6700 xt with a Ryzen 5 5600x I cant complain considering the CPU, motherboard and Ram/case was free with gift cards from work. Only thing I payed out of packet was a graphics card RX6700xt with starfield for free and 1440p Monitor and psu/M2 for like 700$

[@BaikaRider]

I've had i-4790 and GTX960 for a long while now. I'm getting to a point where I'm not even buying any games anymore as I can't even play them on sort of normal kind of settings without having to endure less than a fps standard of a US movie or absolute garbage graphics. I think it is a good time to go up. The prices came down reasonably, the cards are available everywhere you look without paying 4x the RRP! YAY! Decided to go for 7800X3D and Sapphire 7800XT. I think AMD have come a long way and done an absolutely amazing job comming from being almost a total trash underdog and the upgrade is very much deserved. Can't wait for it to put it together next weekend and play some games on some nice settings. Really I'm feeling I'll just get blown away with some of the graphics in some games. I also already have remastered Crysis in my basket on steam so looking forward to my favourite game of all time. Thanx for all the benchmarks and all the continuous tests over the years. You, along with others made the decision making really easy and I'm very thankfull for that. :) Will stay updated here over the next decade for another upgrade for sure!

[@macking104]

an interesting idea… try to get Steve and LTT and you to build same test bench… same mb, processor, memory, ssd, power supply, cooler, etc and run test on games to see if you get same results. Seems like results might be affected by memory speed, mb lanes, chipset, bios driver, ssd speed…

[@curbthepain]

Thanks for the useful benchmarks. Really couldn't decide if the performance boost from the 6800 to the 7700xt was worth the money.