5 Worst Things About The Star Wars Sequels

[@Jedwerd]

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[@DarylMCDeath]

Kylo Ren is better than Darth Caedus! Rey is better than Mara Jade! Abeloth sucks! So do bitte rOld Legends Fans that can do nothing but hate! Your Time is over! Thankfully so!

[@jimnfl7134]

@@DarylMCDeath I agreed with you on hatred of Rey. It was easy for Luke in the "Real" First Star Wars to learn things because he had a JEDI expert with him with Obi-Wan Kenobi and before he fights Vader, Yoda is reaching him some things. So, Luke should have Some Skills by the time he Battles Vader. But Rey had the ability to: Fight with a Lightsaber, Fly a ship on her own, and mind trick with Stormtroppers with no one around to Help...i thought was Insane! (Sure, we find out how Rey was able to in the third film that she is the EMPEROR's Granddaughter, but still).

[@TheMilitantMazdakite]

For the record, in the comics, Captian Phasma was quite the badass.

[@PRIMEDITZX.7.10]

Lol the worst thing is how they target the movie on like hrll nah prequels and original targets on the empire and republic while sequels is basically a fight of skywalker and sidious

[@joe9739]

My ultimate #1 is always the mistreatment of legacy characters... Unacceptable.

[@totterdell]

It's unforgivable

[@wobba4436]

yes whats the point of the orginals it turns every character you loved into losers and ruins the point of all their struggels

[@Greendyes_E]

Made so much worse considering Fisher died

[@davudlinteanu8947]

So uncivilized

[@matthewbee128]

That’s why I prefer the legends books, they do right by the OT characters! Han never goes back to his smugglers ways, he has a impeccable military career and later becomes an ambassador for the new republic, Leia becomes a Jedi knight but also the chancellor of the new republic and she and Han have three kids all of which grow up to be Jedi knights. And Luke well he successfully founded the new Jedi order, despite numerous failures and mistakes he never once gave up and ran, he even redeemed other dark siders, he got married and had a son, achieved so many amazing new powers and trained a whole new generation of Jedi with incredible power.

[@toasttitan3253]

The infuriating part of it is that so many of these issues are super easy to fix and they just chose not to

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

It’s easy to look back at mistakes & have regret. But when you’re in the moment you’re not thinking that. I’m sure there were employees during production of these movies that knew certain things weren’t going to work, but they had no say. A lot of jobs are like that, where the upper management sucks but the employees can’t really do anything to change the way they run things.

[@trevorthornley8835]

Barely an inconvenience?

[@metaljacket8128]

​@@trevorthornley8835lol

[@markuska]

I mean, they could have copied the books?

[@nightfox8962]

I'm with you

[@DaidusIII]

I grew up on the original trilogy. So of course I loved Luke. “Look how they massacred my boy!”

[@HarrisMiller-qw6xh]

It's beyond me why Disney would destroy not just the main characters but the whole star wars franchise, it achieved nothing, its nothing but arrogance and massive massaging of egos at Disney H.Q.

[@DocJacob]

I actually like bad luke. Shows he has flaws and maybe a bit like his dad.

[@lewis18051]

@@DocJacobthey already showed his flaws in the originals, I think the main issue is that this is the Jedi that saw the good in one of the most evil villains in the galaxy and never lost hope he could turn away from the dark! Now we’re supposed to believe he can’t do that for his best friend and sisters son and almost tries to kill him!

[@michelecastellotti9172]

I mean, i grew up with ghe prequels and i got MAD PISSED at how they treated him

[@jamestolbert1856]

@@lewis18051yeah I agree with you.

[@letsgobroncos4143]

The worst part of the sequels is that they made Anakin NOT the chosen one due to the fact that if palpatine survived the fall, which was supposed to bring balance ti the force, then he really didn’t did he.

[@nathanchun4880]

Palpatine dying in episode 6 also showed something he didn’t see coming

[@slickman8691]

Maybe he did see it coming and that's why he is still alive and went into hiding until Episode 9. Its still a terrible oversight to have him die and then come back in a special secret world that nobody could find.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

@@slickman8691 Wdym "oversight"?

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

By that, I assume you mean the "worst part of the sequels" is how they ended up disregarding Lucas' DVD interview interpretation of this "chosen one prophecy" that was introduced in the movies in such an opaque and contradictory under-explained fashion that he had to explain it in said interview since it was really impossible to tell what it was supposed to be about, and also was a giant retcon of the original storyline that didn't match said storyline at all? Wow, what a savvy and lucid take.

[@gracehinkle3623]

​​@@WreckageBrother-rd5zfummm not sure what you are talking about with "opaque" and such since I didn't even realize that George Lucas interview existed and I understood the chosen one prophecy perfectly from how it was setup. The prophecy is clearly stated by Qui Gon to be "the one who brings *balance*" and all the interpretations in the movie are very clearly setup to be misunderstandings because both the Jedi and senate have their own interpretations that work in their favor. Also, wasn't a retcon considering Anakin/Vader has always been the "chosen one", especially if you see old material on the OT, even if it was executed slightly differently. Luke was never the Chosen One in the OT, he was the Hero to bring the light, not the person to bring balance

[@SchardtCinematic]

It's nice seeing someone so young truly understanding Star Wars as if he was born in the 70s like me and I love episode 1 through 6.

[@jaieregilmore971]

The complete the saga will always be the classic.

[@jjonahgrant6146]

True

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

kylo is a better characters than all of the preguel characters combined you guys have to stop seriosly

[@jaieregilmore971]

@@marja-liisamakinen676 The guy killed his own Dad and betrayed his own the guy is a scumbag.

[@SchardtCinematic]

@@marja-liisamakinen676 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Adam Driver is a good actor. His new movie 65 looks really good. Us I have respect for him being a former Marine. But the character of Kylo makes me laugh. I've often wondered how old Kylo was supposed to be. Adam Driver is no young early 20's actor. Yet he had to act like an Emo teen. Lol

[@Dr.Oofers]

For number 2, the villain problem, you forgot Captain Phasma. I don’t blame you.

[@wagermp3]

lord please i want to see more competent stormtroopers

[@marcoalancarbajal3393]

Yeah, they did Phasma worse than all the rest I'd say.

[@patrickstyle24816]

That just goes to show how forgettable she is, that she wasn't even mentioned in the section dunking on the villains

[@Dr.Oofers]

@@patrickstyle24816 The villains in the new trilogy are either non-threatening or forgettable. Which was stated in the video; the fact the uploader actually *forgot* Phasma pretty much proves his point.

[@lugge2294]

underrated comment

[@Saintbow]

#1 worst thing in Star Wars is a tie between: Kathleen Kennedy & Disney

[@solo_edits1984]

agreed.

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

DAE Disneydolf Kathitler? Pls give me updoots

[@zshah3107]

if Kathleen Kennedy got hanged, it would be hilarious 4 those who dislike her radical beliefs!

[@Jedigrandmaster6637]

She should be called Kathleen Karen Kennedy, use only initials and what do you get?

[@laneneely1077]

Don't forget good old smug Rian Johnson.

[@0rinthian]

Thank you for defending the true legacy of Star Wars and George Lucas. I have lost hope for Star Wars… but channels like yours rekindle that hope as I desperately hold to my chest the prayer that true Star Wars fans will not fade into silence and obscurity as a result of this corporate-greed madness. I am genuinely impressed with your ability to articulate the proper anatomy of stories and writing of a movie script. Well done, sir!

[@Jedwerd]

thanks slugger, appreciate the feedback

[@UltraPancake-qe6vh]

@@Jedwerd GENERAL JEDWARD

[@UltraPancake-qe6vh]

@@Jedwerd YOU ARE A BOLD ONE

[@vorlux6354]

Geoge Lucas created it Disney ruined it Dave Filoni saved it

[@eggdude-n5q]

Is trying to save it Disney is still making garbage​@@vorlux6354

[@DireTM]

Love how literally a fan was able to make a better backstory for Luke banishing himself than a multi BILLIOn dollar company

[@Joemight13]

General hux cloud of the next grand moff Tarkin

[@Llama_charmer]

Thats because he is exactly that, a FAN. He knows the characters and knows how they would behave, he understands what stories a FAN would want. These directors arent fans at all

[@tronnorth726]

You kids ain't going anywhere with these "better than" comments lolol

[@jimhoover7345]

@@Llama_charmer he honestly doesn’t know that much about Star Wars. Kylo Ren wasn’t an establish duelist or force user. At this point in Star Wars. All lightsaber forms was lost due to the great purge. Along with a lot of knowledge about the force. Also Kylo Ren wasn’t fully trained in the force either. He calls Rey a Mary Sue character and then explains why. You can make the case that Luke Skywalker is a Mary Sue character then. Luke grew up on a farm, but yet was made a squad leader. To fly an X-wing that he’s never flown before. To do a combat mission. When he’s never had any combat training at all. While flying in his very first combat mission. In an aircraft he’s never flown before. He somehow knows to quite his mind to listen to Obi Wan to use the force. When the only training Luke had was an hour lecture from Obi Wan. Luke also knows to speak with Leia through the force. When before that, Luke didnt think it was possible to use the force to lift his x-wing out of the swap. He talks about Snoke. Yet the creator doesn’t know that Snoke was a clone made by Palpatine to be his puppet. Speaking of clones. The creator doesn’t realize Palpatine in The Rise of Skywalker was a clone himself. A clone that the original Palpatine made in case something happen to him. This creator a long with a lot of “Star Wars fans” think they would know how the characters would behave. Yet their knowledge of Star Wars is limited. They’ve never read anything from legends to what the current canon is. They make content on what they think should happen.

[@thezettiak444]

​@@tronnorth726stfu grandpa. Get back to bed

[@madison-3325]

Anakin: loses hands Luke: loses hand Leia: loses han Obi-wan: loses Rey:

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

oh noes, someone has to lose sth

[@davidpotvin4983]

Nah, here goes: Anakin: loses hands Luke: loses hand Leia: loses Han Obi-Wan: loses Rey: loser

[@Logan_Bishop_YT]

@@davidpotvin4983 Now, that's better.

[@AussieGuy-qb8mh]

I love how everyone in this comment and the replies have basic pfp. Not that I hate basic pfp but just a funny detail

[@DiegoMatos-u6u]

Rey: Loses Her Parents

[@necromanzer52]

I think the worst thing about them is that they had no plan. They knew for a fact it was going to be a trilogy. They could've sat down and worked out what all three films were going to be before doing any filming, but instead they just chose to make it up as they went along, setting up all kinds of questions which are never resolved and plot points which are later retconned. This is an utterly baffling choice.

[@Daniel_Huffman]

To be fair, Carrie Fisher's untimely passing probably caused a lot of the plans to be abandoned. But at the same time, it would have been smart for the writers to have a contingency plan for when one of the major actors dies during a big project. They easily could have gotten some fallback options for if this happened with Hamill or one of the new actors. And it's not like they lacked the money to write contingency scripts, this is _Star Wars,_ after all, and it's owned by Disney. These films might as well have had no concept of a budget. While the corporation ultimately cares about the profitability of the franchise rather than its quality, they still could easily have provided the financial resources to make sure that the writers didn't have to improvise.

[@necromanzer52]

@@Daniel_Huffman It's not like they really had any plans in the first place. How on Earth they greenlit a script for The Force Awakens in which Luke, Han and Leia are never all on screen at the same time is beyond me.

[@ThoraxetheImpaile100]

The worst things about the sequels can be compressed into one thing: they exist.

[@toastergaming7783]

What do you mean? There are no sequels to the original trilogy, it's all in your head

[@SonicSatamAnimations]

@@toastergaming7783 Wrong, the sequels ARE the original trilogy. We have the prequels and sequels. 🤷‍♂️

[@NevaScared1026]

​@@SonicSatamAnimationsSay sike right now🔫💀

[@Omega_1998_]

@ThoraxetheImpaile100 this was all because Disney betrayed George Lucas.

[@lugiasimply6054]

The legends sequel novels were better than this

[@ТеоМарков-ц1л]

And one of the worst things Disney did was destroying the lightsaber fighting stiles. Now they just have a BASEBALL (com)BAT form. Younglings: Shii Cho Count Dooku: Makashi Obi Wan Kenobi: Soresu Master Yoda: Ataru Anakin Skywalker: Shien/Djem So Ahsoka Tano: Niman Darth Sidious: Jar Kai Mace Windu: Vapaad Maul: Juyo Noone: Trakata Rey: Baseball Bat

[@Jedwerd]

true

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

it makes sense why the seguel duels dont look as good becouse there were no jedi left to train anyone

[@The_WyattGuy]

Sadly

[@ZayTh3God]

@@marja-liisamakinen676 explain luke vs leia

[@colinfarquhar5638]

This, this right here so real

[@narc440]

For the die hard sequel defenders, i give rey’s first fight with kylo a pass because he was injured pretty badly. But that’s the only good point they have for defending the entire trilogy because the rest is so unforgivable

[@LegoJango586]

I’ll add a few words, the sequels had some cool shots like Luke staring at a sunset as he died and things like that, but what seems to have happened was Disney had a few interesting ideas, and had absolutely no idea how to force the plot to get us to that point, and the result is utter garbage

[@vorlux6354]

To me the sequals are uncanon legends

[@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823]

I don’t know any sequel defender or apologist who is not an extremely political person

[@TheBigEmstos]

Don’t give it a pass lol. Kylo meant to be an immensely talented badass, trained by two insanely powerful beings from both sides, losing to some random girl who thought the Jedi were a myth a few hours ago

[@joejoyce8031]

How about in Rise of Skywalker, the way the “ancient” knife showed a location on the 30 year old Death Star wreckage 😂

[@DopeyDetector]

😂😂😂people in the theater actually laughed out loud

[@zachwilsonsburner]

Luke was by far one of my favorite characters. But I hate what Disney was thinking by turning into someone helpless and someone that just did not care about the jedi anymore. This is why I barely count the sequels as star wars

[@UltraPancake-qe6vh]

me too it sucks the duels aren’t even duels they are just baseball bat duels

[@vorlux6354]

To me the sequals are uncanon legends

[@alice-dl6mf]

@@vorlux6354everything Disney makes is non canon, and if you ask me, anything that Disney “purged” from canon is still canon.

[@vorlux6354]

@@alice-dl6mf Even Mandalorian, Rebels, Rouge One, Kenobi, Jedi Fallen Order, Jedi Survivor, Clone Wars Final season, Solo, Andor, Ashoka and Bad Batch

[@alice-dl6mf]

@@vorlux6354 fair. But were the cal games made by Disney?

[@whynot7507]

Imagine if the first order used the Tie defenders from rebels

[@karthikk2683]

Your suggestion is logical. And Disney doesn't approve it😂

[@michaelbracho3956]

They're still fuck it up

[@srengp3805]

The thing i hate the most about the sequels is the fact that its all just copy paste from the originals. For example: A person grew up on a desert planet, but suddenly have to flee from a big ol' bunch of stormtroopers, who were looking for a droid that has the secret information to destroing a big battlestation, which is capable of destroing entire planets. The main character (who turns out to be a jedi), then forms a squad with some other people, and joins a small resistance that fights back against the bad guys, who are lead by a dark lord, who is controlled by an even darker lord. The squad then proceeds to blow up the battlestation, with the help of the resistance. If any of this sounds familiar, then you have NO reason to NOT hate the sequels. They are basically The Original Trilogy Walmart Edition

[@samritkaur221]

OT Luke to Vader who's responsible for millions of deaths: there is still good in you SQ Luke to his apperntice having a nightmare: i will do what my father did in order 66

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

second one's more based tbh

[@harlemraider3347]

Palpatine being the main villain behind everything could’ve worked & it would’ve been consistent having the same true villain for all three trilogies but they should have made him a Force Ghost secretly manipulating Kylo or something.

[@davemac9563]

They actually say that in the movie, but it came across more as a plot hole filler than an actual creative decision.

[@j.m_theloner]

Sith cant become force ghosts in the lore

[@SerialDesignationR814]

​@@j.m_theloner they can become spirits tho

[@finemernop7201]

@@j.m_theloner Sith can haunt areas but can't become force ghosts because it requires some stuff

[@j.m_theloner]

@@finemernop7201 yeah... The only thing I can see him haunting is the death star and having that big a chunk of it after the reactor (which has enough energy to destroy a planet in one shot) exploded is already a massive stretch

[@박정진-s7k]

The worst thing that happened to star wars : Kathleen Kennedy and Disney

[@rockingamingwiththesahit2145]

Rey fighting Kylo is like Steve using gold armor to defeat the ender dragon.

[@thepeskyone]

The thing I like about TLJ is crait since a salt planet is very interesting. There's probably even one in space somewhere

[@Jedwerd]

I like the concept, but every piece of metal in there should have been rusted beyond belief

[@thepeskyone]

@@Jedwerd they used rusteez

[@Jedwerd]

@@thepeskyone rustee-z

[@dragonslayer7724]

another positive of TLJ are the new FO star destroyers introduced. The Fulminatrix and Supremacy are just perfect designs to me, topped off by the ominous hum that they make when exiting hyperspace. So yes, I do love the space dorito and the really unnecessarily long one, fight me.

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

@@Jedwerd i loved i loved them all theyre my favourites every single one of them and not just the original trilogy but the preguels and the sguels too theyre star wars and enjoyed them like star wars i love them!

[@RamaZ.Arkalgud]

1. Rey: too overpowered (0:36) 2. Villains: weak or poorly written (2:45) 3. Failure to expand Star Wars: every concept is a repeat of original or prequel concepts such as planets, technologies, etc (6:45) 4. Luke Skywalker: completely ruined his character created in the original trilogy (11:15) 5. Lack of context: doesn’t explain anything that has happened since the empire fell such as how the first order formed, does the republic acknowledge their existence, etc (13:26)

[@alexgillis9446]

There are people who don't like the sequels and then there are people who are wrong.

[@jawnwane4959]

Finn story arc had so much potential when it all started. Having a storm trooper break out the code and fight for the rebels would’ve been amazing enough

[@blacksheep9505]

I'm sick of characters getting stabbed by lightsabers and being immediately revived. Getting impaled by a lightsaber would make you recoil so much you would end up cutting yourself apart not to mention the person holding the lightsaber pulls it straight in and out. Poor Qui-Gon he died from one hit.

[@mirrorslash028]

That turned me away from the Ahsoka series too, this happens way too often lately. I've seen people argue that it didn't hit vital organs, but that argument doesn't work because if lightsabers melt blast doors, they melt organs too. People also used Darth Maul surviving as an argument - which also doesn't work, because it is a completely different issue. Maul's death was retconned for fanservice 10 years after his death, and he had an amazing character arc in the clone wars. Meanwhile, several characters lately survived getting stabbed.

[@blacksheep9505]

@@mirrorslash028 The more believable ways to survive though would be a fast cut through like with Luke because it could cauterize it as it slashes through so Maul surviving is more believable than the others. You are right on though if it is stuck in you it would just vaporize all the moisture (blood) killing all organs around it .

[@SamC_182]

One of the things I hated so much is that Rey was given more power than Anakin and Luke combined. Her force healing alone makes Anakin look weak to the core and he's supposed to be powerful AF, the force itself made him for crying out loud. (At least it's implied). She's so op, so flawless, it's sooo stupid! I remember when I saw those things in TFA & I was like damn that ruins/contradicts everything that came before! I was complaining in my head over & over when I saw it in the theater. I knew TFA was trash when it was getting all this praise while everyone was still shitting on the Prequels. TFA didn't even feel like a Star Wars movie when I first saw it, it just felt like some generic space movie with a bit of Star Wars sprinkled over it. It pissed me off so much how people couldn't see the same problems I was seeing. Second, I hated how they killed off Han (yes I know Harrison Ford didn't wanna make more of these movies) but still would have been nice to have seen Han, Luke, & Leia TOGETHER on screen again even for a few scenes at least! Such a missed opportunity! Third, I hated how they butchered Luke and how I didn't get to see what I wanted to see - which was Luke's new rebuilt Jedi order. Instead we got to see how the Jedi order was pretty much non existent again, which is what made everything so boring since they had no good villains. They had zero plan as we all now know, at least a rebuilt Jedi order would've given Luke something to do. Last, yes it didn't feel like a big universe/galaxy & the lightsaber fights were dog crap. Say what you will about the Prequels (I myself am a big fan of them) but they're definitely masterpieces compared to the (non canon imo) crap sequels. The worst thing is is that they're bringing boring Rey back and giving her exactly what I wanted to see Luke do In this trilogy. Pathetic. They make Rey the "real" chosen one for defeating palpatine (again 🙄) over Anakin, and they take away Luke's legacy and give his job to Rey with this new movie they'll be making. What a bunch of croc, I will NOT be seeing that movie at all, no interest. Star Wars is dead

[@SonicSatamAnimations]

100% agreed, couldn’t have said it better.

[@laneneely1077]

See? Rian Johnson subverted all your expectations. Brilliant

[@SamC_182]

@@laneneely1077 you can subvert expectations and it can still suck, it's only brilliant if it's done right & unfortunately it wasn't

[@alice-dl6mf]

Not sure you mentioned this, but also how they just kill off ackbar.

[@jimhoover7345]

Everyone thing you said about Rey being op. You can say about Luke. Luke who only had a few hours of introduction to the force. Was able to quite his mind and hear Obi Wan tell him to use the force to destroy the Death Star. Luke who grew up on a farm. Was given a squad in a combat mission. The lightsaber duels in the squeals are suppose to be bad. All lightsaber forms was lost during the great purge. So how could anyone be great duelist. Luke himself wasn’t even one in ROTJ. As for what Disney did to Luke character. I kind of agree that he was mistreated, but at the same time. It is in line with the over all story of Star Wars. Yoda and Obi Wan both went into exile. So that part I don’t mind as much. What I did hate was the guy who saw redeeming qualities in someone. Tried to murder his nephew. That part of the story was BS.

[@adamsteinhardt6393]

I think you got it exactly right when you said that under any scrutiny nothing makes sense. It’s like they just did stuff for the sake of doing it, with no consideration into the context or the story.

[@cybertramon0012]

That describes a lot of the plot point of The Last Jedi. Stuff done just so the story can ‘subvert’ our expectations. They kept their plan hidden from Poe for most of the movie, but once they do tell him, he says that it’s a great plan. So why hide it? So they can surprise the audience and also make his mutiny look dumb and unjustified. Why did Finn and Rose find that ship with records of selling to both sides, despite the fact that the First Order build their own ships? So that they can prove the people on Canto Blight are war profiteers and show that things aren’t black and white. How did DJ figure out what the Resistance was planning, despite Finn, Poe, and arose not knowing? To show you shouldn’t trust some guy you busted out of jail, and to make their whole plot line pointless. Why did Rose crash into Finn before he rammed the laser? So they could give some corny sappy speech about saving the ones you love.

[@markhinton1641]

Number 1. They exist.

[@tz_slayer1438]

Imagine where Mandalorian and Bad Batches story would’ve been if Palpatine wasn’t revived

[@DellTheProtogenEngineer]

About the point made at 1:06, I actually am skilled with both a staff and a sword. I can confirm that skill with one doesn't generally automatically give you skill in the other. Personally, I learned sword first, which is arguably harder than a lightsaber since you need to keep edge alignment, especially with single edge blades like what I use. Staff is self explanatory: you hit someone with a big stick, it's gonna hurt. The trick with staffs is not hurting yourself simultaneously.

[@nidhoggr8193]

Ray is like killing elden beast from elden ring at level one.

[@Jedwerd]

ive never played Elden Ring, but that sounds about right

[@nidhoggr8193]

@@Jedwerd it's like the final and one of the hardest bosses in the game. Love you content by the way. 👍

[@Jedwerd]

@@nidhoggr8193 thanks slugger

[@Local_commentor]

@@nidhoggr8193 malenia blade of miquella gave me grey hairs elden beast was more reasonable in my opinion

[@nidhoggr8193]

@@Local_commentor that's true.

[@Telashar]

As a person who loves movies (1-6 obviously) and have mixed feelings about books. The thing I hate the most, is inflating force power. In original trilogy, Yoda, one of the absolutely most powerful force users in existence, managed to lift X-Wing, and it still took him a bit. Its a powerful feat of strength, that gets completely overshadowed by mind-boggling stuff that is done in disney trilogy. How about prequels? Sidious, who was in movies shown to be about as strong as Yoda in force, managed to shoot anti-personnel level of Lightning, and that was a huge deal. Dooku, another super powerful Sith, managed to use force to drop a metal cylinder on Anakin, which was intercepted by Yoda, who, managed (and I mean he needed to concetrate to do that) to intercept it and save Anakin. Force was not this magic spell thingy. It was not like in Harry Potter, you opened up spellbook and learned new force powers. It was mysterious, not perfectly defined force that could be manipulated by skilled force-sensitives. Now? - I cast lightning! - HAHA! I CAST DEFLECT LIGHTNING! - OH NO, I DIDNT HAVE THIS VOLUME OF BASIC FORCE SPELLS, IM DOOOOMED This is just retarded....

[@stargazerstudios8290]

In the words of the true Obi-Wan we all know and love: you are strong and wise and I am very proud of you. I’m glad that someone close to my age can appreciate Star Wars for what it was meant to be.

[@FlamePlayzEZ]

0:46 LEAVE JAR JAR ALONE!

[@M4A1BestGirl]

No

[@codycody5604]

Jar jar sucks

[@LampKicker23]

@@codycody5604wym? he made the phantom menace 10x better

[@codycody5604]

@@LampKicker23 no he made it worse 100x worse

[@LampKicker23]

@@codycody5604explain why? he was meant to be clumsy and comical making the fans enjoy the character while paying attention to the story line

[@radiofreeutah5328]

On the last point, just look at the title crawls vs the last scene of the preceding movie: End of VI: The Empire is defeated, good triumphs. Title crawl VII: The successors of the rebels are fighting the successors of the Empire. End of VII: The rebels blow up Starkiller Base. Title VIII: Literally days after Starkiller Base explodes, the First Order reigns supreme! End of VIII: Kylo is the Supreme Leader, the Resistance is so defeated it can fit in a single ship. Title IX: Palpatine is back! Oh and the Resistance had a bunch more ships; but so does the First Order. This is incoherent. One movie doesn't flow into the next. Not just in style, tone, and theme, but in basic plot mechanics. 8 year old me managed more coherent plot lines sitting in my underoos with my Han Solo figure frozen in a jelly jar.

[@rob2540]

If he doesnt talk about 'somehow palpatine returned' i will be sad

[@BlackdragonTheShadow]

Oh and let’s not forget that in ghe Lefo version of this film it makes this dumb plot twist 1,000,000 times funnier as the little text in the Star Wars language in “Be with me”’s boss card is “YES, HIM AGAIN”

[@Angeldust53]

Basically a HUGE example of “look how they massacred my boy”

[@Malthazare]

They've also completely forgot how the hell lightsabers work

[@Lionheartsmh]

"he just took the darth maul way out" 1-6 are the best episodes

[@alaaaxpruski6559]

I really liked Hux and Kylo in episode 7 (Kylo before he took of his helmet😂) But the last Jedi destroyed them

[@haydenmalesky2518]

Honestly, one of the best parts of the Last Jedi is when he decides to destroy the stupid mask and become his own villain. The lamest villains copy and try to be other villains. 😄

[@ergob3907]

I always thought Kylo was terrible and a phoned in Vader knock-off. Really all they could come up with for a villain was the Emperor turns ANOTHER Skywalker into his apprentice and makes him betray the jedi who changes his name, wear a mask and be #2 for the Empire before his inevitable redemption? (literally dies saving the hero from the Emperor's lightning in a throne room showdown?) And don't get me started on Death Star III and Clone Palpatine.

[@finkamain1621]

Couldn't stand Hux or any character in any movie that tries to act overly serious. Made him even worse by him being the Resistance spy despite the dude blowing up a planet and killing billions

[@Cyborg1101]

Yes Finally someone who mentions what happen between the 30 year gap 😎

[@Jedwerd]

gotta ask

[@ridensroom6957]

Clearly Disney's answer is something like, Who cares. Don't ask questions and just go along with it. It is so bad. That they are having to rely on TV shows and books that came out years later to try and explain is just the worst thing they've done.

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

That’s why the Expanded Universe exists. Disney didn’t burn every book that’s been written throughout the years, if you want to know more about the further adventures of Luke then just search for them in the EU. No one likes to read anymore. He has a wife, descendants, etc.

[@ridensroom6957]

@@Bingo_the_Pug More people need to read them. There are so many guides for best place to start etc. It will blow anything disney are gonna make with the name new jedi order away.

[@comandercarnis]

​@@Bingo_the_PugDisney canon and the EU are two different animals.

[@lucianwong420]

Only 5? Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.

[@frostyfrenchtoast]

12:35 This is only true in Kylo’s version of the events. There’s actually 3 interpretations you are given throughout TLJ. *Luke’s initial lie*: Ben attacked Luke in the hut, destroys temple *Kylo’s*: Luke goes to Kylo’s hut to kill him, Kylo defends himself and flees, destroying the temple *True version* (given after Rey demands answers): Luke goes to Ben’s hut to talk with him about his conflicting emotions. Luke then senses Ben killing Han and the others as Kylo, and reflexively activates his saber. Afterwards Ben is left looking at Luke, flees and destroys the temple sometime after. This is crucial because it shows Luke wasn’t fearing “bad vibes” he was fearing the destruction of everything he had loved and fought to build up to that point. I’m not sure why everyone collectively takes up Kylo’s own twisted versions of events as gospel, but it’s important to take up the true interpretation because it does show growth. Luke would never harm his nephew, which is exactly why he didn’t; but as a master he shouldn’t have shown that brief moment of fear, which made him shut himself off from the force. Of course, his way of thinking is absolutely incorrect, which is why he, after his talk with Yoda and interactions with Rey, gets up and influences the next generation to fight evil by saving the fleet and denying Kylo his vengeance (which would have completely tilted him over the edge)

[@michaeljessemusic]

Realistically, this never should have been a problem to begin with. You don't think Luke would have done absolutely everything possible to make sure that Ben understood what the Dark Side is and why it's so dangerous? You think he wouldn't have told him the tale of Vader as a cautionary tale? The fact that Luke even lets Ben get to that point is confusing. Also, if Luke was able to turn back Darth Vader to the light, a man who has killed thousands of people, why would he think that Ben was gone?

[@frostyfrenchtoast]

@@michaeljessemusic Luke had known there was conflict in Ben, but it was rising and rising steadily. it’s exactly why he goes to the hut to finally confront him about it in the true flashback. Ben knew the dark side’s evils, which is why Ben, even as Kylo, was never a Sith Lord and never could actually tap into the dark fully. He was ALWAYS conflicted with himself. Also Luke did “lose” Ben as a student, but he never believes him to be lost to the dark forever. Before he confronts Kylo, he comforts Leia by saying “no one’s ever really gone” and sacrifices himself so that his other student (Rey) can help save everyone. Again I’m not sure why people misinterpreted Luke so much in the film, or why everyone seemed to have just taken the villain’s interpretation of events as gospel, but I hope in a few more years the movie can go under more re-evaluation and get the appreciation I think it deserves

[@michaeljessemusic]

@@frostyfrenchtoast Then my next question is why didn't he do something about it sooner? If he never lost hope, why did he drop the training ball? Also, I'm in the middle of different debate with someone else about TLJ, and it's been like pulling nails with your teeth. All he does is call me sexist when I've given him so many other female characters I like and my reasons. He can barely make an arugment and we're just now getting to the why after four days. It's refreshing to see you make a coherent argument. So, no matter how the rest of THIS debate goes, you've got my respect (which means VERY little in the grand scheme of things).

[@alexgillis9446]

​@@frostyfrenchtoast the sequels ended most of the fandom. Disney killed the golden goose. There is no future redemption for this particular set of three movies. No one wants a rey in the future of star wars. People who waited decades for more stories of the star wars heroes lost faith after watching this wish version of star wars. On par with how rings of patriarchy ruined LOTR for future generations. Personally I think anyone who says the sequels were good, or tries to make it seem better than it is by giving an 'interpretation' of the movies by filling in stuff that wasn't there is just wrong. Its like reading a romance novel and afterwards imagining battles, mysteries, and events that didn't occur in said book and telling your friends you liked it because of how you imagined it to be better. Not all trash is someone else's treasure, sometimes it's just trash.

[@michaeljessemusic]

@@the10thdimension lol. True.

[@SIG384]

For me the worst thing is that they completely ignored the real chosen one-Anakin and prophecy about him and made Rey the chosen one. It is outrageous

[@EonGamer74]

I refuse to accept the sequels as part of the main timeline, maybe a terrible alternative timeline, but its not part of the main because of how bad it is, but mainly because of how they painted Rey as the chosen one, which is WRONG, the chosen one was Anakin, who defeated the sith once and for all as Darth Vader, but, oh no, whoopdey do, Palpatine is alive, NO, there is NO WAY, this is part of the main timeline.

[@Batman89057]

I could’ve accepted the sequel trilogy a lot more if they ran with the ‘Duel of the Fates’ idea for episode 9. Having the balls to continue from episode 8 and turn it into the most authentic thing possible would’ve been very interesting to watch. Instead, we weren’t so lucky. Also, unpopular opinion, but episode 9 is easily the worst. Agree to disagree, at least The Last Jedi felt like it was made by a filmmaker. Sure a lot of the choices made for that film are horrendous, but at least it felt original, and damn the cinematography was beautiful. But Episode 9? It was clear it was put together in a rush by the studio, who didn’t want to take any more risks and instead didn’t pour any passion into it whatsoever.

[@bogus69]

Rogue One was the only good Star Wars movie after the prequels.

[@bogus69]

@sodorlorekeeper828 ahh, a man of culture 🤌

[@LordPorkshire]

And solo

[@jamiegodfather]

The prequels were made 100% more enjoyable if you watch the Clone Wars my sons were after me for years saying You Will Love it and after watching it once I have rewatched several times the last four episodes of the series are good enough to be a feature film.

[@Aaron-fb6mb]

Hell yeah man the clone wars is what got me into Star Wars initially, then I watched the prequels so the characters were already fleshed out and I cared for them. The clone wars fixes the prequels. Idk if there’s any fixing the sequels, I just pretend they don’t exist

[@sonicdash9652]

​@@Aaron-fb6mbThe "sequels" are too crappy to be fixed

[@LamarJennings-eo8ps]

Will never forgive Disney for cheating us out of reunion with our 3 favorite heros

[@liammaps2700]

7:38 Exegol was a thing even before the sequels, there’s only a few (new and exciting) things they introduced but Exegol was not one of them. I double-checked, There’s a lot of “new” things in the sequels that already existed, they were just obscure.

[@joshvanv5281]

What makes a good story is character development, and the sequels had none of that in their main protagonist, Rey

[@Saieras]

Exactly. Anakin was a force prodigy too but he had an interesting character arc. Rey was just a plank.

[@tyranozilla]

If you watch closely the ray vs palps, you will see when the lightning hits his face, he lowers his hands and stops but lightning is still coming from the sabers

[@chrisphillips348]

When I saw Force Awakens, one thought came to mind. “We’ll someone remade A New Hope!!”

[@JasonEddie151]

My top 5 1. Rise of Skywalker 2. The Last Jedi 3. The Force Awakens 4. Any SW film after 2012 5. Disney

[@robo3007]

Rogue One was a great movie though

[@thiagocavendish2928]

Worst things in the sequels: Palpatine's return Weaker Luke Kylo ren (so weak that he had truble with a random girl and a storm trooper (with training) that Both were using a light saber for the first time) General hux being an spy

[@kevin-2.1]

Yeah 😅

[@Bowls1315]

The character with the most development ever is debatably starkiller He goes from a sith apprentice to a Jedi who saves his enemy’s

[@emiliajojo5703]

The most insulting thing:rey defeats the same 6 red guys twice.same scene ,just filmed from a different angle.4 billion. 🤮

[@tatianapostovan7771]

another guy had beef with the fucking sky for some reason

[@ajasilikonreffkmimmon]

I hate shakey camera.

[@DavidInfinityOfficial]

9:20 To be fair, there has definitely always been gravity, at least inside of the ships, throughout Star Wars. I'm not sure if this would extend outside of the ship, and of course if it did, there would have to be a limit to how far because otherwise anything above the ship lightyears away would fall towards it.

[@kendrathompson5207]

Luke Skywalker and Mark Hamill were treated with comtempt in these films. I would even stretch it to most or even all the Star Wars actors have been treated with contempt by Disney, but especially Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen. And yet the actors are so loyal to the Star Wars franchise. Daniel Radcliff would have walked away a long time ago.

[@elshogun1448]

No scene with luke, han and leia together is my biggest problem with the sequals

[@taimu4624]

The point about Rey being too good with a lightsaber when she's used a staff all her life is so true, and it was easily fixable. All they had to do was give her a double bladed lightsaber, or have her use something more similar to a sword to start out with, its actually crazy how badly they fumbled something so simple.

[@BlaqJedimaster]

Fantastic video! I couldn't have said it better. The only thing I would add is if the Republic stood for 100 years (according to the Prequels) and the New Republic only lasted for 40 years what was the purpose of the Rebellion? This bothered me so much when the Sequels came out. That was character assassination as well. How was it that nobody took the First Order serious? Was the New Republic that blind? How many students were in the new Jedi Academy? How was Ben able to take out a whole school of Jedi? Was there NO fully trained Jedi by this time? Did Luke not have a council? SMH! These movies were just BAD!

[@SequentiallyCompact]

I think your way of fixing Luke and giving him the same arc would have been fine, but I wondered why they didn't just have Luke and Snoke answer one another's questions - Snoke is badly scarred from a battle with Luke, and the battle was so taxing that Luke was cut off from the Force, and he went to Typhon to try to reconnect to it. Kills two birds with one stone. And while we're at it, why not have Rey showing up and receiving training be the key to Luke finding a new path to the Force? Luke rebuilds his connection as he teaches Rey what he knows from memory - a case of going back to the basics. I don't know if that's great writing, but nothing in the films ties together with their training anyway, so I doubt it could be worse.

[@iteo7349]

The story of the sequels feels like it was written by ChatGPT. 90% of it is a carbon-copy of the originals, and the remaining 10% makes as much sense as a mobile phone in a renaissance painting.

[@juleskireeff4563]

Great points and good video 👍 Actually, I felt kind of ackward when I started to watch the sequel triology and here is the thing that "disturbed" me the most : for Kylo Ren (I know you already mentionned it), I thought he would be a potential villain, powerful, well trained.... and yet you have Rey coming out of nowhere, not even trained by anyone, able to use the force to move objects without any notable practice who beats this so called Sith Lord like nothing. The fact she can master the ability to generate lightings quite destroys the concept of the Dark Side of the force. In the trilogy I, II, III, we learn that lightnings force is something that only powerful and well trained Sith formed to the dark side (in episode 3 when Palpatine reveals Anakin he is a Sith Lord and in episode 2 when Dooku reveals his ability to master them). Rey isn't a Sith Lord but she manages to master that ability without being formed by an actual Sith Lord which is unlogic. The explanations says that Rey is Darth Sidious' great daughter (I don't really know who he found to have an actual descent at the point of having a great daughter) which is why she can master this power. By that logic, Luke Skywalker can also use the force to choke people no matter distance between him and the victim like his father, right ? Disney also kind of denigrated the firsts Star Wars concepts : Back then, jedis had to follow a complete formation to the end of which they will become master. Even the original triology ensure that becoming a jedi requires a training : Luke Skywalker was formed by Obi Wan but also Yoda for the most of the part, he failed when facing Vador the first time and managed to win against him in a second battle and saved him from the Dark Side. But still Rey managed to be a jedi without any difficulties which kind of nullifies the value of all the other jedis characters like Obi Wan Kenobi, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, etc...

[@imbatman9845]

Rey was NOT good at using the lightsaber when she first got it, go back and watch that part, shes just swinging it around with very little idea on what to do

[@minecrafter3448]

0:59 To build off of this, a lightsaber is completely different from a sword. The blade is weightless. It’s all in the hilt.

[@madison-3325]

The blade can’t be completely weightless, because then people would just frantically wave it around like a deadly flashlight.

[@minecrafter3448]

@@madison-3325 that’s exactly what we see in the anakin vs dooku fight. The problem is, you have to be ridiculously skilled in offensive lightsaber combat to do that without cutting yourself open, and that just so happens to be exactly what anakin was. Dooku was also the master of form two, (THE master, which means there weren’t any others) so he was able to mimic anakin.

[@RAEN74]

Fantastic break down! Love the explanation of the points

[@wooldyy]

Also rey’s writing was almost an exact mirror of Luke’s: a desert orphan finds a droid with a secret that will destroy the first order/empire. They then find a mysterious old man who is an experienced jedi. The old man jedi then dies, rey/Luke then kills palpatine. And there you go.

[@elefantemorangoeljustino1866]

Jar Jar Binks has at least A TON for meme material. Rey has little to nothing.

[@AnakinSkywalker-vn5qr]

Amazing that you managed to summarise in only 5 points

[@dnaseb9214]

1. The story 2. The lore 3. The casting 4. The visuals 5. The scripts

[@zap900]

rey killed the last skywalker .. you cant say she was kind

[@EchoCedric561]

my list of agreements on why after force awakens i refuse to watch the sequels; 1- Rey sucks. . . .i agree with everything you said about Rey because i even said the same thing "Shes basically a master even AFTER she says she wants nothing to do with lightsabers OR the force." Yet she bests Kylo AND other trained fighters with perfect ease. 2- All villains suck. Snoke was cool but killing him off so early was awful. Sidious coming back was the biggest middle finger JJ couldve done becauze it ALSO indirectly makes darth vader's sacrifice irrelevant because to some people and even me it seemed like vader just died for nothing because it gives Rey a plothole to fill. 3- The planets and cultures of the other episodes. . .yes the older episodes AND CW series really showed you can be creative with worldbuilding. 4- The lightsaber duels were awful because while i personally liked the different styles of fighting where rey and kylo were abit slow i feel it was because that maybe they were going for "more emotion and meaning in the strikes" which sounds cool but the de-signification of lightsabers really takes away from it but i loved the older and CW era battles. 5- i feel the awful treatment of luke really made me not want to go after star wars in modern days. I think even Mark Hamill himself said that he hated the way they treated the older characters especially Luke. 6- No context is a kiss of death to the series. Abrams clearly shows that he just wanted an epic shot without thinking of the story and context behind it. Its an RPG movie but the older ones show few things but they HAVE MEANING. sub point- I think Boba was still good because we didnt really see much of him aside from books or comics so having the book of boba series i feel was at least a compromise for fans like me who havent read the books or comics still figure out who some of those characters are and their stories. Before book of boba all i knew about him was that he was a jetpack using bounty hunter who died in the sarrlacc pit because han just poked his jetpack with a stick.. . . thats it. Prequels only showed Boba as Jango's son but. . . .i dont believe it was ever said how Boba was born if it was i missed it in the prequels but i was wondering if maybe Boba had a mother and who WAS she but i had to look at a jango fett video game to figure out that Boba was an unaltered clone of jango so he could raise him as a son.

[@elizabethhersey9402]

The sequels will always hold a special place in my heart as they were the first movies I ever saw in a movie theater as a kid edit: I know that means I’m super young and what if I am?

[@simpleviewer1334]

You missed out Bingr watch the original and prequel trilogy before watching the sequels again and I want you to compare these Lightsaber duels from the prequels vs sequels Luke and Rey as a character and fheir devlopment (how they changfle for the better) Ship designs (like the resistance transport and bomber vs the prequels ships) What makes you cry more

[@Alecup06]

I also Grew up watching the sequel and even 8 year old me hated it when i watched the orginals i saw that the sequel were just dog shit

[@davidpotvin4983]

Seriously, although I agree with all the points on this video, what really ruined it for me was Rey's incessant blather about "stop holding my hand"!!! Did you REALLY NEED THAT in a Star Wars movie? 😒

[@Dragonseer666]

Because of you I'm back in my 'Fuck the sequels' phase. By the way I change between 'fuck the sequels' and 'the sequels don't exist'.

[@kwesicomedy3707]

You’re perceptive, articulate and got a great sense of humour. I’m laughing watching all your videos 😂 👍🏾

[@Jedwerd]

Thanks champ, I really appreciate it. I’m actually smiling reading this right now 😊

[@asokatano9410]

-Rey -Rey -Rey -Rey - Finn screaming "Rey".

[@mooknick242]

i actually really enjoyed watching the prequels and still so..the sequels are so bad there is nowhere to begin.

[@Napalm_lover]

Love to see competent, reasonable people, who understands what a ridiculous and money-scheming circus of a movie this so called "sequel trilogy". Great video, keep up the good work!

[@TheGalacticNerd19]

The Star Wars sequels make the Toby McGuire spider man movies look like a masterpiece 😂😂

[@joecar498]

I gotta say something it would’ve been better if the villain of the rise of Skywalker was a darker charger, and also when I was watching the rise of Skywalker, I was hoping that Palpa teen was going to win, because I hated all of the characters who won the kind of feels the same way, replied to this comment

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

Just 5? You are WAY too forgiving

[@sternbock1211]

i totally agree fundamentally to all of your points completely.

[@NegativeIQ21]

Real 5 worst things about sequels: 1. No one. 2. Scavenger 3. Rey 4. Rey Palpatine 5. Rey Skywalker

[@the_king_of_kings_3413]

Honestly, I feel bad that Bad Batch basically had to haul a*s to try and double down on explaining how Palps came back. Honestly glad it still ended up being a good show!! (Just realized that this vid is from over a year ago so the shows weren’t out yet…)

[@buolindo8795]

The point of kylo ren isn't that he is a barrier to Rey he is a mirror version of Rey and they are similar in power kylo ren isn't even like a proper villain he is a more conflicted version of rey

[@GMSryBut]

I think another great point is that the focus on Rey was so strong, that the actual interesting characters Poe (The best Resistance-Pilot who had two Rebel-Pilots as parents) and Finn (the FIRST deserter Stormtrooper) got so thrown away. Poe should have died in the first movie which didn't happen thanks to the actor who was tired of playing roles that die early on. And Finn was literally used for Bait and Switch. The Stormtrooper who yielded a Lightsword and got teased to be force sensitive and in "The Last Jedi", he turned into a comic relieve.

[@SchardtCinematic]

I'm very confused about people who like the sequel trilogy.

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

i am one of those poeple and i am gathering an army of seguel fans i already have 3 members including my self

[@SchardtCinematic]

@@marja-liisamakinen676 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

@@SchardtCinematic you guys hate how the seguels handeld luke but i bet youre completely fine with how the preguels treaated yoda

[@SchardtCinematic]

@@marja-liisamakinen676 The prequels treated Yoda with respect. He was shown to be very wise and powerful despite being 850 years old around episode 1. I hated how Ruin Johnson messed up what a Firce ghost can do. Yoda might as well been fully alive. Force ghosts are a guiding spirit. Yes Ben sat down beside Luke in ROTJ on that log. But he wasn't shown any ability to still use the force in this state. He was part of the force.

[@marja-liisamakinen676]

@@SchardtCinematic seeing yoda with a lightsaber and dong ninja flips is just so upsetting to me this isnt yoda not helped by the fact that yodas number 1 solution to anything is to kill the bad guy

[@totterdell]

Only 5? Gee that's generous

[@harrambou9468]

That last point about context? Yeah, that’s the biggest flop of all for sure. I recommend MauLer’s take on Force Awakens (with Han on the thumbnail). Long video, but worth a watch. It’s got the “Unbridled Rage” label 👀

[@Jedwerd]

I like MauLer

[@WreckageBrother-rd5zf]

Why recommend the (self-admittedly) much stupider "unbridled rage" video when his other ones are a lot smarter?

[@Sephiroth08150]

Rey could have been so easy to fix. She is good with a staff, but she had to become good at it because Jakku can be a merciless place. Make her prone to violence, have serious trust issues, and just make her consider selling BB-8, because what food she sees is more than she has ever seen. Essentially, make her more selfish and doing actions depending on how she benefits from them. And her character developpment could be getting over these issues.

[@zcorpalpha2462]

Tough I enjoy them & all the Star Wars shows 🎥 & films 🎞️ Life is too complicated today to get mad over such silly things Peace ☮️ 🥃🔥

[@kaineparker351]

Truly this man as reached true balance in the force.

[@cyberhoney4]

I hate all the new characters in the sequels for the exact reasons you stated. Flaws make the character and the story. Kylo Ren came off looking like a hot-tempered Severus Snape. Absolutely stellar analysis.

[@tpmeme14]

I think that The Force Awakens wasen't actually that bad.

[@harrambou9468]

@kill commies / santa believer enjoyer you should check out MauLer’s “Force Awakens: An Unbridled Rage” if you’re willing to have your mind changed lol

[@RaxusPrime29]

I can explain how Sidious survived. He surpassed Plageuis and fugrued out how to cheat death, so when he was thrown down the death star shaft just as his body hit the bottom he did the same trick Obi Wan did in the original film, he submitted his spirit to the force. From there he had clone bodies made (probably set in place in the event of his death) and everytime a clone vessel was made he transferred his spirit into that clone body, but none of these clone body vessells were strong enough for Palpatine to fully comeback, so when he has Kylo and Rey on their knees he drains their force energy from them to as he says "restore the one true emperor" One thing I didnt get was Sidious' plan for Rey to kill him so he could transfer his spirit into her body and take over control. Theres no way he would know that would work

[@virtuaguyverify]

He somehow survived, and I'm sure that's not how. As far as Rey killing him, I don't think it was to actually control her, but living in her like all the other siths that was in Palpatine.

[@josheyerr]

@@virtuaguyverify He is right Transference was a dark side power that a Force-sensitive used to transfer their spirit and consciousness to a different body through the Force. The wielder of this ability could also utilize it to prevent the deaths of other beings. It was discovered through the Sith Order's ultimate goal of attaining immortality, with the Sith Lord Darth Plagueis becoming the first to harness the power of transference. Despite this, however, Plagueis was killed by Darth Sidious, his Sith apprentice. Sidious used his Sith Master's methods to transfer his consciousness to a clone of his original body, which was destroyed during the Battle of Endor. He tried again to relocate his spirit to a new body, that of his granddaughter Rey, during the Battle of Exegol, but failed.