Jeep Wrangler 4xe vs. Wrangler 392: Is The V8 Or Plug-In Hybrid Right For You? S. 2 E. 9

In this episode of TFLtalk, Roman and Nathan cover the two latest additions to the Jeep Wrangler lineup. On one end of the spectrum, you have the crazy V8-powered Wrangler 392. On the other, there's the more efficiency-minded Wrangler 4xe plug-in hybrid. Here are our thoughts on both as well as how they stack up to newcomers like the Ford Bronco and more!
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[@jayar202]

Coffee and TFL Conversation. Great way to start my weekend.

[@matthewharris3081]

Love the 392, still wish that I had bought one. I know that I"m getting the beginnings of a technology that will be great. It fits into my life well and I"m able to charge every night. I could better my savings with a level 2 charger and will get one at a later date. Real-world use nets only slightly better mileage than a normal jeep. If you are looking for the least expensive jeep to own, it's going to be the v6. V6 is not the best MPG, but you can get a manual transmission, and the cost of maintenance over the lifespan of the jeep will offset MPG. If you do the math you will see it takes a long time to save enough cash in fuel to equal the cost of buying the 4xe. With all that, I'm still enjoying my 4xe and will ultimately continue to drive, offroad, and modify my 4xe just like every other rubicon out there.

[@benoliver2826]

i hate that 4xe conversations never talk about the fact that the battery never actually runs out. The jeep always has full power, its worth the cost just for the power alone. The electric range is just a bonus

[@purewaterperfectcrap]

I agree. It's pretty annoying and it took me a lot of researching to even find that information. Why does no one talk about the permanent power upgrade? They make you assume that the power goes down to the regular 2.0 turbo power when the battery is low, but it doesn't.

[@sunchaser999]

392 is pinnacle of old technology whilst 4xe is the early beginnings of a new era …such an interesting time in auto industry.

[@johnryan296]

Crazy right? Jeep always listened to their buyers.

[@Evan_Land]

Just watched this Dec 2023... glad to see Roman's predictions were wrong about FWD Wrangler. Surprisingly, the 4xe has also done well in sales numbers.

[@Jonatron503]

I have 600 miles on my 4xe and only a little more than 130 of those are from the gas engine. It’s ideal for a short daily commute and just save all the gas for fun activities!

[@johnryan296]

Man im thinking about this for sure.

[@Jonatron503]

@@johnryan296 they just released a nice Grand Cherokee 4xe too. I recommend researching it a little bit though. Some owners are having major issues while some of us have/had struggled with FORM. Mine has been running fine after replacing the cabin heating and cooling unit.

[@tml184]

@@Jonatron503 Mine is always in FORM and I can't use electric. Dealership has no idea. I'm not happy.

[@Jonatron503]

@@tml184 that happened to mine last winter. They had to replace something related to cabin heating/cooling. Try to look that up. Mine worked as expected after that. I recently had some other suspicious events in my car, but I’ll keep an eye on it. As for you, you might have the above issue. Also, look up “CHOC”. Good luck

[@Averagedude764]

@@tml184 do you leave it in electric only mode most of the time? It’s my understanding FORM occurs because people aren’t using their gas engines like intended. This isn’t a short range electric car only. It’s a hybrid where the ICE needs to run to maintain operational efficiency.

[@steve337]

Gas + hybrid range I’ve been getting is 370 miles. 24 miles just electric. I’m averaging 800 miles a tank. Great performance in the Colorado mountains. On the highway (70mph) the ICE does 2/3 of the work, electric 1/3. Equals 30+ mpg. 14,000 miles, no problems.

[@BillyKivalu7]

I get 1300 miles with every fill up. I charge for free at work and at the target across the street from my house. If you know what this is and your lifestyle matches the ideal use this Wrangler is a game changer.

[@grisa12345]

Owned a 392 and just got a 4xe. Gotta say we all (family) love the 4xe way more. It feels more premium, drives great, and is incredibly economical around town (most of our driving.) I do wheel hard Colorado trails just about every weekend, so it’s nice to know it can handle all the Rubicon stuff I need it to. Having a robust mobile power source (2024 power pack is an awesome option) makes it a game changer for camping.

[@commanderroddi7742]

I got interested in a Jeep because I thought I wanted a Bronco... But again, Jeep now making a hybrid, and the fact you can buy a Jeep... I stopped looking for Bronco and got the 4xE Rubicon.

[@pewpewtactical5288]

How do you like it so far??

[@swabee4843]

Same story here. Got a new job with free EV chargers, so it was a no brainer. I never go to a gas station.

[@mowcowbell]

Picked up a Wrangler Sahara 4xe last week, and so far I'm averaging 27.9 mpg. My short commute allows me to do more than 1/2 of my daily driving in EV mode.

[@andis60]

I bought a 2023 4xe a couple weeks ago. I love it. I only live 2.6 miles from work so I dont use any fuel all week long. I have waited 25 years to get a wrangler. I always got family friendly vehicles in the past that has included a Grand Cherokee and a Commander. Now that my kids are grown, I spoiled myself. Mine retailed at 77,000 but with the rebate and them trying to make a sale, I got it for about $68,000. I couldn't be happier with the purchase. I dont want a full electric so this was perfect

[@jackies35]

What? $68k even after the incentives? Are the dealers not selling these Jeeps under MSRP?

[@andis60]

@@jackies35 I calculated it through the Jeep sight as if I was building one and it was pretty close. I used the specs on the window.

[@delcosspdfreek]

If you use your Jeep for daily commuting, the 4xe makes sense. Plug it in every night, leave it in hybrid mode and get 30-40mpg. Use Electric mode for around town and off roading. We use my wifes Leaf way more than for just her 3 mile roundtrip commute. This just might be our next vehicle.

[@af7119]

The max regen comes from braking the car, guys. If you're just cruising on the freeway for 2 hours there isn't much braking involved, hence the 4%.

[@brianbaker4745]

We ordered one last week. My wife has a 2017 JK. She loves it, but it is under powered and get 15mpg. Her daily commute is 21 miles round trip. She can basically drive to and from work and never go to a gas station. With gas prices on the way up we will save some$. The one thing you guys did not elaborate on is the POWER! It’s amazing. 375hp and 470 470 470 lb-ft of torque😮. Holy 💩it moves!

[@jasonyoung7635]

Roman's right about things here, i am in australia, cabinet maker here. trailer and rv and camping car business took off because people can't go abroad. it's not just a little up , it's exploded. everybody buying it.

[@ashlynprather45]

Finally! Somebody made a comparison video between these two but my heart still says 4xe but the sound of the engine is impressive from the 392.

[@coralinesdreams9224]

Same girl 😭💕

[@Nick_Gir]

If only they had a 392 with a 4xe battery in it.

[@ashlynprather45]

@@Nick_Gir that is GENUIS, tell Jeep that rn! 🥺🤩

[@Nick_Gir]

@@ashlynprather45 replacement to the trackhawk will be a hybrid hemi and battery pack similar to this idea but in a grand Cherokee

[@ashlynprather45]

@@Nick_Gir near but in all them not just the Cherokee because I still want a Wrangler

[@kelvinhelmholtz]

I think Nathan came close to nailing the market, people that can plug in for occasional commuting and gas for the occasional road trip. If you only have one parking spot and you want an off roading vehicle that you want to commute on electric...

[@ramienrosillo]

Yeah like the 90% of the market

[@kelvinhelmholtz]

@@ramienrosillo of the offroad market maybe. 90% of the total market for plugin hybrid is way to high, in the Urban environment almost no one has a plug for their dedicated parking spot, even if they are lucky enough to have a dedicated spot. If everyone lived in single detached homes then 90% of the market would want a plug-in hybrid

[@SFox-if9id]

I know this is an older video, but I thought I might put in my observations after driving a 4xe for a couple of months, one is that when running in hybrid mode the battery isn't just dead weight, it still functions as an energy bank, taking charge when decelerating and putting that energy back into acceleration, so I've found it at least makes up for the weight and maybe a little more even when you don't charge. In the case of the e-save mode set to charging the battery, you're going to get practically nothing on the highway for charging, however, city driving WILL charge the battery faster, what happens there is that it takes that regeneration charge from slowing down but doesn't put it back into driving, it stores it and charges the battery, the more you're decellerating/stopping, the more power you put into the battery for later, at the expense of your MPGe, of course.

[@rondail5675]

I give it to Jeep for trying new ideas. Love the 392, put it in the Gladiator! Good discussion!

[@johnadams2933]

Yes and with a manual

[@thorpower1015]

I would buy a gladiator if they dropped the 392 👍

[@rondail5675]

@@thorpower1015 Yup, they be collectors in 10 or 20 years. Ford is using 4cyl turbos in everything.

[@markcosta4337]

I do want to make it clear a little tea cheap is pretty trendy at 392 is nothing to sneeze at and I've seen video and that 392 picks up and runs like hell not to mention a sound that you cannot be described.

[@BeowulfHagen]

I too will buy a Gladiator 392 the second it is released.

[@commanderroddi7742]

Got the 4xE, and went almost 3 weeks between gas fill ups. MOst driving is 10-15 mile round trips so, and have enough time to fill up. Only time I use gas is occasionally when I floor it to get up to speed on highway,and if I go on longer trips, I just stick it in hybrid. Nice car off roading, though the battery dies quickly just off roading, so again, keep in hybrid. also, though its heavier, I think it makes road driving a little better because it (until you turn, that is :)

[@billtaylor5875]

I got the 4xe Rubicon. You guys are right on about everything. I drive 11 miles each way to work with a charging station at work. So mostly driving on electric. I traded in my Sahara with a 2.0 and bigger tires. I tow a teardrop trailer and the MPG is a little worse than the Sahara while towing about 10mpg mountain driving. Not too big of a deal. I love the 4xe. Like you guys said it is for a certain customer and I think I'm it.

[@donleamon8653]

The ‘no free lunch’ description of the PHEV was interesting.

[@garylgoldberg]

I bought a Rubicon 4xe. I wanted the 470 lb-ft of torque, I have a garage level 2 charger, and I will get the $7500 off. For the reduced price I'm getting a lot. There's sooo much confusion about the battery. Even when not in pure electric mode there's always a little bit available to drive the transmission -- it doesn't turn into a heavy 2.0L turbo version -- it's still putting down the torque at stoplights, etc. EDIT: Everyone says "Get the diesel, get the diesel..." But the diesel has the same torque and the same weight penalty, and costs more (without the tax credit.)

[@peachpole]

Gary Goldberg what does it get for mileage if you charge the battery and just leave it in hybrid mode?

[@davidcarrico3385]

@@peachpole i think you meant to say “if you don’t charge the battery”. If that was your question, expect 21 to 26 depending on driving style and city highway mix (worst gas mileage for the 4xe is highway). So if you don’t charge you lose a lot of the gas mileage advantage, but you do still keep the hp and torque advantage of the regular gas models.

[@wb3550]

@@davidcarrico3385 so I've got a 2018 JLU Rubicon and I went and test drove a 4xe. I'm getting over 400 miles to the tank in the 2018 and I'm a little worried about the smaller tank in the 4xe. We had a Volt that I just sold, so we have done the whole PHEV thing previously. Have you taken any long trips in your 4xe yet where you were unable to plug in daily?

[@davidcarrico3385]

@@wb3550 I have not. About to go on a 4 day weekend trip in a few weeks and planning to take the level 1 and a hefty 20ft extension to try to charge at night if possible. Without any charge, you should expect anywhere from 350 to 425+ miles per tank depending on city (where the PHEV excels)/highway mix driving in hybrid (don’t drive in eSave, that is the least efficient t). But extra mileage is as close as the nearest gas station or 5 gallon gas can. However, the 4xe in its current guise is not necessarily the best vehicle for those that want more of an overlanding, long distance rig as their primary decision.

[@wb3550]

@@davidcarrico3385 well keep us posted on tank range and hybrid mileage. We had a Volt that I just sold and have this 18 Rubicon. For the most part the Volt was for commuting but I took a different position and now have a company vehicle. We are looking to be able to get around locally on electric, but still be able to take the toy out in the boondocks. I guess a couple of rotopacks are in our future if I pull the trigger.

[@nroose]

In the city, even if you don't change, you will be getting brake regen. On the highway at constant speed that doesn't help. In the city when you are stop and go most of the time, it does. Especially if you are a little agressive.

[@pingumoto9126]

as crazy as it sound, Im going to the 4xe : going to job by electric, and when going overland, I will use gas only to keep battery for camping stuff !

[@alexkasselakis]

Great discussion and topic. In Greece petrol prices have increased to approx. US$8 per gallon. A PHEV might be a solution for the daily commuting to work, grocery etc.

[@davidcarrico3385]

Roman, I think you need to live with a 4xe for a month and I bet your perspective would change. The 4xe is a great mix. No range anxiety like you would have with a fully electric off-road vehicle. Great efficiency (better than the gas model) if your daily commute is less than 60 or 70 miles per day between charges (and not really worse than the gas models unless your daily drive is greater than 100+ highway miles between charges each day). You also have access to the 375hp and 470 lb torque regardless of battery level (because the vehicle manages a 15% reserve and can always tap into that and then replenish if it needs to). Drive it for a month or two and then let’s repeat this episode and see if perspectives have changed.

[@eddiemunster74galindo46]

I think this has become more political than beneficial. The batteries are hazardous to discard and although the manufacturer state they will recycle we know that's not always the case. I have owned several hybrid and range anxiety is still there. 21 miles of electric is not much! If you commute 10 miles to work maybe it works with speeds below 35 mph. I purchased the Gladiator Ecodiesel and very happy I made this move. I am keeping my gas engines and will not buy into this technology anytime soon.

[@John-209]

@@eddiemunster74galindo46 well good for you Eddie Munster. If you still get range anxiety with a PHEV you’re kind of a dope. Just put gas in it!!! BTW Tesla recycles every battery. They created an entire industry

[@williamnewman2959]

I have that very wrangler in a 4 door right now add the tow and switches. I am building it. I love it! Cannot wait to see it! 3.6 with an manual. Roll up window and Door locks! With off road tires. Cannot wait to see that video series

[@dannyb5857]

I absolutely love how everything is getting a 392 or stronger engine besides the ram rebel. Same ol 5.7. Love it but a little more would be cool

[@jasonb4988]

Around town driving, brake Re-gen, works better. Hybrid combo actually delivers excellent mileage returns. E-save is pretty good with brake RE-gen. Overalll, good job Jeep, it’s gotta start somewhere .. 👍👍

[@toneyo4794]

I just bought a 2023 wrangler rubicon 4xe. With the 120 charger only I have driven 200 miles charging overnight using 2.5 gal. I am installing a level 2 charger in 2 days so it will then charge from empty to full in 2.5 hours. Which will give me much more range because I work at home.

[@toneyo4794]

Also electricity is $0.08 per kWh where I live so it’s about $1.00 to charge up per 21-23 miles. Only 15 kWh are available for use out of the 17.5 the other 2.5 is used for vehicle use i.e. radio a/c.

[@rich7447]

I would never consider a full electric off roader. The PHEV Wrangler makes sense, but full electric does not.

[@saiyan_mig8918]

Owned mine for about a week now and I’m always on hybrid mode I haven’t messed with charging the battery at all. Maybe one day I will.

[@shenandoahhills7263]

There is an aftermarket bolt-in seat track modification that allows the driver's seat greater rearward travel, which should make Roman and Tommy happy.

[@grisa12345]

4xe owner here. You have to do your own math to determine your actual combined MPG. The computer calculates electric only mode in a bizarre manner. Example: if you drive in EV ONLY for 100 miles (drive, charge, drive, charge, etc) you will still only see "30 mpg" or thereabouts on your readout. The only way to determine your combined MPG is to set your trip meter and then do the math on total miles driven divided by gallons added. I'm at 350 miles on my first tank of gas, I still have a 1/2 tank left, and the computer is showing me I'm getting about 21 mp. Clearly that's not accurate.

[@commanderroddi7742]

update on Gladiator 4xE: it appears its coming for 2024 model year with JL refresh. Also, Other than a road trip from Salt Lake to Moab, I average about $20-$30 a month on gas mostly because I try to keep the gas tank at least half full. 95% of my driving, which include a couple of trips each day taking packages to the post office (i'm talking over 100-300 packages on certain days, 50-100 on average), adn all that driving is done fully on the electric motors. On the highway I occasionally get the gas engine kicking in on the onramp, but again, aside when I take a longer road trip, I use no gas. I did take the Jeep to Alaska,and that was a bit pricey (whole trip was like, $1300 in gas? but that was several weeks, drivign up and down the Al-Can hwy.) Also, The instant Torque in my opinion makes it better off road than a Bronco (and I did get to drive a Bronco to compare it, a 4 door "Bad Squash"), and the Torque on the Jeep made my friend, a die hard Bronco/Ford fan boy that the Jeep had that going for it over teh Bronco when rock crawling. I love this car. It was pricey, but Othern than for a Gladiator 4xe (because of work I may need more cargo rooM) or a full EV truck, I would not change it, and even when getting the EV, I'd have to consider that if I want to drive again to Alaska... The Jeep will do it, a a Rivfian or F-150 Lightning won't do it easily, unless you plan to drive the Al-Can 2 weeks plus each way (and My full trip with Jeep was 17 days) so, would I get an EV? Maybe if I could get a EV for cargo, and keep Jeep for longer road trips and off road capability (Rivian is tempting, but then again, the Alaska Trip...)

[@atomicsnowflow]

Love the ideas behind both. Hope to find enough success in life to have a fleet of Jeep vehicles and some refitted YJ's like I used to have growing up. Miss the days of off-roading until the sun came up. Cheers.

[@Videoetcenseo]

The issue regarding the 4xe from my perspective relates to multi-day or multi-week overland trips. It’s easy to construct a 1,200 - 1,800 mile route in the Northern/Central Rockies with several segments involving 200+ miles between gas/diesel stations - which is easily doable on a tank of gas/fuel or with the assistance of Rotopax. There are routes where you’d need to travel 40 -100 miles off-route simply to get to a charging station with a J-1772 connector, then take 2 ½ hours to fully charge the battery (possibly after waiting hours for access) or 5x that long if it’s a Level 1 charger, not a Level 2. These chargers are almost always in towns, which I try to avoid on these trips if I can. The cost of charging varies from free (commercial establishment or city supported) to more expensive for any given supplemental range than the cost of the gas/diesel required to deliver that same supplemental range. You can easily verify this using any one of the charging station apps on your phone. Sure, you can drive your Tesla across the country using DC fast chargers (that only work with Teslas), but that’s not me nor is it your audience here. Getting 20-23 mpg (actual highway) after the first 21 all-electric miles on a 250 mile segment (over 3-4 days) in the sticks is disappointing. This is a great start, but for my use, it wouldn’t serve up the right results for my use case. Daily relatively short commuting with nightly recharge? Sure, but not real overlanding: too inconvenient, too few chargers, no fast charging, mediocre gas mileage after propulsion battery is depleted, and - I haven’t driven the vehicle - it’s just gotta feel heavy on the trail.

[@davidcarrico3385]

You are correct, the 4xe in its current state is not great for those that daily drive several hundred miles a day, the diesel is probably better for that use case.

[@emonty62]

392 top heavy, 4xe ordered, same torque

[@jonathanphillips3612]

Why are y’all so critical of the Wrangler with the Diesel? That’s the best Powertrain Wrangler ever had!

[@bfighter8930]

I love seeing you and Tommy together!!!

[@aclark106277]

Got one for my wife (her commute is under 20 miles) so far we average about 28 miles on a full charge.

[@1222dan]

I have spoken to two service advisors at Jeep and they say to stay far away from the 4Xe. Said real world range on the battery is 12-15 miles and then your stuck with the 2.0 Turbo pushing the extra battery weight getting terrible MPG. Says three of them had electrical issues beyond repair to the extent the dealer bought them back. IDK I love the idea of a wrangler that has all that power and 42mpg and a $7500 tax rebate to boot but it all seems like real world BS.

[@therealprofessorp6237]

Have not seen the diesel compared to the 4xe. Which one would be preferred for fuel economy and all around usability? I wish they made a diesel hybrid instead. Any eta for the 4xe powertrain being placed into the Gladiator?

[@rich7447]

There are a couple of problems with a diesel hybrid. The first is that the diesel weighs twice as much as the 2L turbo so you are adding another 270 lbs to the front end. The second is that the 3L TD makes 442 lb ft of torque by itself and the 8 speed automatic is only rated for 500 lb ft. In order to handle the extra 175 lb ft of torque that the electric drive brings they would need a larger transmission.

[@davehudson4607]

How big is the Carbon Footprint? Batterie materials come from where? Electricity for charging comes from where? Has someone had a chance to work that out?

[@Propelled]

Well, if you’re in the UK right now, the power comes from coal plants! 👹

[@markspence3750]

When my Momma bought a 2005 Toyota Prius, I told her that I think that her car was gonna break down in 50K miles. That Prius has been the most reliable car I've ever owned. It's worth $2,000 now, but I would drive it to China and back, more than my my 2006 Touareg. I did not trust hybrid cars at all at first, and now I think they are the most reliable cars.

[@fulli462]

I watched another 4xe video out there and the guy shows he wasted 75 dollars for the dongle. Thank you for the update! I am trying to watch all I can on this, it is now 2022 and it officially costs me over 200 dollars to fill up my 2500 Silverado, so i am looking for something else to get around in.

[@gondorian1006]

Looking at the prices the 4xe is a no brainer. You can almost buy a 4xe and a hemi Ram 1500 for the price of a 392

[@amcreech]

Yes, BUT HEMI

[@gimiked8685]

I chose to just buy a used truck. I wouldn't buy either of these jeeps, and I love wranglers.

[@mariodeimbacher]

Here in Austria the cars are taxed like hell. So the Plugin Hybrid is not taxed by the consumption tax (NoVa) That makes the cars reasonable here.

[@ardhadi3]

I don’t think you can get a 4xe for under 56k. My Sahara 4xe was 59k. But I love it. My friend has the 392, he drove mine and was very surprised at the power.

[@ARXDMOS]

so thats not totally accurate . the battery never fully runs out even when it says 0 percent. there is about 18 percent or so that you do not see that is always saved and being regenerated to give you the 375 hp and 470 torque whenever u need it no matter what. you are never down to gas power only even on "0 %" battery

[@donfletcher7354]

Good, thoughtful review. So what is the curb weight and payload for each of these? I didn't hear that. I like PHEVs and am happy to see Jeep take the plunge though late to this party. But I would like to see them do more. A larger battery to push towards over 40 mile electric range. And something unique to Jeep. My thought is take what the boat guys are doing now with flexible solar panels and combine with attachment points on that slab of a hardtop. Then when the action gets intense, as on the boat, stow it below deck. Want more capacity? Sell a setup for the campsite that supplements the rooftop. Jeep has the capacity to do this and address offroad charging. Yes, I get KWH and charging times. Still, it would be a Jeep exclusive. That flat roof should be working harder, I have always thought.

[@GrayBeardoffroad]

I'm the type of person that would buy this. I have a short trip to work and back. I wouldn't even have to use gas at all and I own a gladiator diesel for long trips so I wouldn't have to worry about recharging the battery while I'm driving.

[@Desmo1]

I have no idea what these dudes are talking about, the batteries in the 4Xe are never really "dead", they're constantly being charged when driving and even if you run outta miles in the electric mode, you're still getting the 370/470 power numbers due to this. I also don't know what they're talking about with regards to the mpg on the 4Xe, I get over 30mpg using mostly gas power. BTW if you're wondering if the extra weight makes a big difference...consider the fact that a stock 4Xe will do 0-60mph in the 5's as some videos here on YT prove. That's insane for a Jeep and not much slower than the $80k 392.

[@SkippyPB.]

Between 300 and 360 miles of range with both gas and electric? I can do 300-320 on my 4Runner on highway driving.

[@davidcarrico3385]

When I was breaking in my engine I was driving in eSave mode which is the least efficient, and got 335 miles in a tank. However, in hybrid mode and with charging nightly I get over 400 miles to the tank (my last fill up was at 435 miles), and I have about 50 to 55 highway miles in my 60 mile commute. Others that drive shorter stints or more city miles between charges are driving 600, 700 miles or more between gas fill ups.

[@MarksPhoto]

At about 14:15, you display that you know nothing about the Chevy Volt. I've owned one for over 10 years, and it does NOT go into 'limp mode' when you run out of battery. The 4xe is essentially a Jeep-ified Volt drive train, the (nice) thing the Jeep does differently is combine the electric and motor drive for more power when demanded. The Volt is the same power output, battery or engine driven.

[@yrrah89]

ill take 4xe. id hate to stop at the gas station every 5 minutes.

[@hanakim4333]

I just purchased mine last week, and I love it so far. I charge my jeep overnight and get free 20 miles everyday.

[@fstaxserviceinc]

I got mine this past weekend. Love it for short trips. Longer trips you just have to remind yourself it’s a wrangler lol. It does renegarse power to the battery so what I’ve been doing on long trips is turn on the electric motor in town and gas on freeway.

[@markcosta4337]

Well there's a 392 and electric one both have their advantages but I'm old school and I like my V6 it's just fine to me. However I seen what the electric jeep will do off road and I was actually impressed.

[@Propelled]

One could hit a happy median with a Magnesun Supercharger. I couldn’t stand the mileage hit with the 392 and drive 100 miles a day so the 4XE is not helpful.

[@danielphillipsmusic9145]

5 different power trains, but we never got what the vast majority of us were asking for. A small block V8 with a stick in a two door Wrangler.

[@josephbyrnhopf2481]

Makes every Jeep today a Wrongler.

[@danielphillipsmusic9145]

@@josephbyrnhopf2481 we used to call the YJ the Wrongler. Chrysler never really grasped the Jeep. Even the TJ wasn’t what it could have been, but people fawn all over them.

[@MdGuardian1032]

I still say the diesel is the best. Lots of torque and highly fuel efficient.

[@mowcowbell]

Too bad diesel fuel is $1 a gallon higher than 87 octane gasoline in my area. Pretty much erases the fuel economy gains.

[@andrewsawyer5474]

Ideal use case:

[@wiscoted]

1.4 cents/kWh is incredible! Are you able to maximize those hours to store backup power? Theoretically, you could save money by storing power without the cost of solar panels. Power your home, and even get a 30 cent full charge anytime that works on your schedule.

[@wiscoted]

Do you think it's possible to tow a trailer with a Tesla Power wall to achieve Level 2 charging on the go like BMWs can? Fill up at 1.4 cents/kWh, and off you go! I think you're on to something here.

[@andrewsawyer5474]

@@wiscoted The battery storage options are still too expensive, but I'm experimenting with running my central air at 60 degrees from 11pm to 7am and leaving it off the rest of the day. At 1.4 c/kwh the total cost of ac should be about 50 cents per day ($15/month). Yesterday the high was 81 outside and my indoor temp only got up to 73 between 7am and 11pm. I've also put smart outlets on all of our appliances (except the refrigerator) so they can't draw power during peak hours (2pm-7pm). Last year our summer electric bills were $200-$300/month, I'm hoping to keep them below $100/month this summer. As far as charging while driving, I'm not sure the juice would be worth the squeeze. I don't think the Wrangler 4xe allows that, and even if it did the max charging rate is only 7.2kw. greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap8-tech/charge-while-driving.html#:~:text=A%20common%20idea%20is%20to,battery%20pack%20on%20a%20trailer.&text=Some%20electric%20car%20makers%20advocate,hour%20recharge%20time%20from%20empty.

[@wiscoted]

I have the feeling you’re an engineer. I understand the energy density gap is an issue that batteries inherently face. However, the electric is inevitably the near future. Ford is releasing an all electric F150 with outstanding numbers. Mild hybrids are a good fit for a significant amount of the population. Higher fuel prices will continue to push the technology forward and bring the cost down. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on alternatives. Is the highly efficient opposed-piston engine dead? Diesel hybrids have an overlap of low end torque. Is Toyota’s Camless piston engine dead? Why not consider moving in the direction of an more eco friendly version of a European 2-stroke diesel train, the engine is a generator that gives the batteries the power they need to produce massive torque. I’m paying 35 cents per kWh in Hawaii. The majority of our grid power is coming from massive diesel generators that were former ship engines. Try feeling good about topping off your Tesla with via a diesel generator at a cost higher than gas or diesel.

[@evankatz2893]

I have been with you guys since day one A Superior podcast one other the best you have ever done All The Best To The Whole TFL Team including Blaze😀👍

[@TFLtalk]

Thanks for being here from the beginning.

[@jasoncopeland781]

At 6200lbs the 4Xe is the only Jeep that crosses the 6000lb threshold for business owners to 179 the vehicle. Not sure if it qualifies but I believe it does.

[@davidcarrico3385]

It weighs closer to 5400lbs and the Rubicon has an 850 lb payload which if fully loaded with payload gets you above 6000. Is that total weight capacity what you are referring to?

[@jasoncopeland781]

@@davidcarrico3385 Correct David. GVWR. For a business to fully depreciate a vehicle in one year, it must be more than 6000lbs total. Vehicle plus payload.

[@davidcarrico3385]

@@jasoncopeland781 thanks for the clarification. That is a big deal indeed, and a detail I wasn’t aware of. Thanks.

[@fstaxserviceinc]

You are correct, plus the EV tax credits and rebates 😁.

[@dstephan34]

From I've read, there is about a 15% reserve in the battery to run in hybrid mode. Which makes sense in that regular hybrids only have about 1kwh batteries whereas the 4xe has 17kwh. So i think to say that the battery is a dead weight in hybrid mode seems a bit disingenuous.

[@stephd982]

Bought the 4xe for my wife. She works a mile from our house. It cost about 3.50-4.50 to fill the battery…..for a week🙌🏿…..drive the challenger everywhere else cause the gas mileage is sooooo much better for long trips.

[@jmos96]

Two talented and knowledgeable guys talking about cars, brilliant. Thank you

[@IronmanV5]

They need to have fast charging on the 4xe. With that small a battery pack you could get get it back up to 80% charge in as much time as it takes to "drain the tank" and pay for your drinks and snacks at a pit stop.

[@mowcowbell]

Every PHEV has fast charging. It's called fill the tank with gasoline. Takes only a few minutes.

[@foellerd]

I look forward to the episode explaining whats happening with the ecodiesel. Sounds intense.

[@doublebackagain4311]

I think they are just commenting on the culture moving away from ICE, that the diesel would be the first one to get cut (even though it gets great mileage)

[@johnsnow1355]

Same thing in Canada. I can drive 900km and make 0 turns and only cross one province.

[@firebir11]

I can see the government regulations now “This Charging Station Closed Due to Excessive 4X4 Activity”

[@herbertmischel3165]

I now have 700 miles on my 4xe Sahara. I have not put gas in it yet and have about 1/3 of a tank left from when I picked it up at the dealership. He is incorrect when he says it does not feel powerful on electric only. That is simply not true. I could not be happier with the 4xe. The extra battery weight at the center of the vehicle makes this the best handling Jeep and the 0-60 in 5.5 seconds Is a lot of fun.

[@H00Dwinked26]

Nathan was right Roman- you were anxious to dog on the 392’s gas consumption but I’m pretty sure your son got 18.8 mpg in the 392 going over vail pass. Also, per Jeep’s videos, you’re never really lugging a dead battery around on the 4xE- when it hits 0% that just means that it can’t be driven in all electric mode but it is always available to assist in power delivery.

[@foellerd]

Once the battery is drained when on flat ground or going up hill on the highway only the engine can power the vehicle. Does the engine burn extra gas at that point to be sure that there is some power in the battery, yep. Either way you gotta pay for having that extra weight. Its just physics. Which is why Roman said in the video "there's no such thing as a free lunch". Its always paid for by something.

[@H00Dwinked26]

@@foellerd yep- and I agree with that “no free lunch comment”. My point was that your not lugging a dead battery around (which Roman also said) which is the same point you made- thanks accidentally proving my point.

[@foellerd]

Having to burn extra gas then a non hybrid to keep the battery charged is the definition of lugging around a dead battery.

[@H00Dwinked26]

@@foellerd You can’t twist around the fact that the 4xE is getting better mpg’s than the non-hybrids. You can twist around words , but the definition of lugging around a dead battery is...well it’s“lugging around a dead battery”.

[@LarryRichelli]

The Tesla to J1772 connector allows you to use the Tesla high-powered destination charger, and mobile connector will all work with the J1772 adapter.

[@314jeepsnmopars3]

My commute is only a few miles from my house so I could use ev mode almost entirely. I love my current JLU, even as a base Sport and I don't get great mileage as I can't get much coasting between. I could see this working for me, but not sure how I feel about the new tech and do love the Pentastar.

[@andymckane7271]

Nice video. I just spent a happy hour listening to you two. Thank you very much! (I'll stick with gasoline, or, perhaps diesel engines as long as they are on the market. As I'm 73 as I write this, hopefully petroleum fuels will still be available for another 20 years. If so, I'll die a happy man!)

[@shitloveaduck]

I was out and test drove the Rubicon 4xe yesterday!! They really are impressive! My wife wants one and she already has a Jaguar I-Pace. She already plugs that in religiously whenever she gets home with her vehicle. We have the 240v already there so we can get the fastest charge. If you know you are going on a long trip, then run it as a hybrid only. The most we will be driving that vehicle is 2 x per year there will be a 9 hour (1 way) road trip. Otherwise there are a lot of short trips that we can run in EV mode only. When we get there on the 9 hour trip, the people we are visiting have a charger for their I-Pace. I am seriously looking at a purchase, but I think I may wait for the Grand Cherokee 4xe. It’s advertised on the website already. I think my wife will prefer that to the Wrangler coming out of her I-Pace. We have until fall to decide. The Hybrid is a great idea. The vehicle can be an economical commuter 5 days a week and an impressive (still) toy for the weekend!!! It really does make sense. Too often TFL looks at the vehicles way too singularly. Roman is focusing wayy too much on the off-road vehicle it still is and not looking at the greater picture! Roman is too EV only focused. This is a vehicle that he will not like or entertain to like. Nathan’s example regarding his friend that will be commuting with the EV aspect all week and then playing on the weekend. I drove it about 35 km, covered it in mud, did not get to any rocks, but climbed dirt hills in the river bottoms with far from perfect traction and it climbed them fine. I can say that in comparison to the Raptor, I just sold, and to my now, 2021 slightly modified F150 FX4 Hybrid.

[@thecommentwhisperer4360]

we are putting in an order for a 4xe rubicon this week. my wife is trying to keep the miles low on her bughatti veyron and she says the jeep 4xe rubicon would be a fun vehicle.

[@shitloveaduck]

@@thecommentwhisperer4360 - now THAT would be an interesting pair side x side in the garage,,,, haha.

[@jamestaylor9258]

Better gas mileage than the 392? Distance you are able to travel? Torque differences? Cost? I'd take the EV all day. ✔️

[@Josephus1]

I am very much a lifelong Jeep loyalist, having purchased 6 so far, 3 of which were brand new, and another in the next 3 months. That next JTDR will be built proper too. The reason I mention it is because in about 7-10 years I will be pulling the battery packs and flywheel motors out of the 4XE and shoehorning it into the EcoDiesel... Yes a hybrid diesel. That’s how you hit real world 50mpg-e! I think the solid axles would be ok to say goodbye. Surprised? Only if the Real Jeep Engineers are able to put a significant air suspension in the Wrangler/Gladiator platform. That’s how Stellantis can get lighter weights and better overall performance and capability. Along with customers happily stuffing huge tires under their rigs and retaining lockers, and anti sway bars, and huge articulation. There will not be a need for aftermarket lifts if Real Jeep Engineers offer a factory Rubicon Air-Suspension. If Real Jeep Engineers are given the proper backing, and not constrained by silly bean-counters, they will build something amazing the world has never seen before. And it will have a warranty. Have you ever studied the contact patch of a solid-axle vehicle vs. IFS. Surprise IFS has better traction and comfort. IRS is not practical for Gladiator, towing, payloads etc. so Real Jeep Engineers should put a Dana 60 in the back.

[@mattmopar440]

There is a Converter for a Tesla to normal car Called a Tesla TAP

[@toolshed7652]

I can't wait until you guys get your hands on the Alpha products coming soon. Curious to see how they work in the real world. They definitely knocked it out of the park with regards to styling

[@krissimon2502]

Im considering the 4xe but if you do the math its not that great at least here in ca. The electricity costs 28 cents per kwh so to charge 17 kwh battery would cost 4.76 and it only gets 21 miles on a full charge. Little better than 6 bucks a gallon for gas but not by a lot. People dont consider that electricity costs money too unless you are able to charge it for free somewhere

[@fstaxserviceinc]

I just got the 4xe. Love it. I’ve been using electric mostly as my business is about 8 miles away. For longer trips like 40-50 miles I typically find charging stations kind of easily (I’m in CA).

[@stevea3936]

the new TFL hats look sweet. I'll have to break down and buy one or two.

[@stevemacphail888]

Picking my 4xe up today can't wait

[@JeepAndThings]

Back in 2007/8 they has a 2 wheel drive JK... Sadly I know somehow who bought it. A dr. type that wanted a Jeep, but never planed on going off-road.

[@shibmasterkman3176]

Amazing video. You both have great points to think about. Absolutely amazing to watch and a lot of information.

[@phileasler5401]

Would love a all electric Bronco, wrangler just to compact

[@NextAdventureYoutube]

Really cool, great vid TFL.

[@marcnunes6916]

I hear the 4xe likes to roll back and when crawling you really need to spool that turbo. Right now it's just interesting for me.

[@racheltgal]

I just purchased a 2022 Jeep rubicon 4xe traded my 2018 v6 Jeep rubicon hopefully I did the right I have shot in town driving my home has solar power but plug in every night but only have phases one power in my old garage so have to change at night

[@matadorprime]

It seems there are decades in which car manufacturers go into this "let's see who builds the best vehicle" mentality. It happened in the 60's, not so much in the 70's, and the 80's sucked big time. Then the 90's had a boost with really beautiful vehicles, not so much in the early 2000's, then in 2010's it picked up again and I think we are about to peak with these amazing V8 machines before car manufacturers go into a decade of producing less stellar vehicles...especially with electric vehicles now a reality.

[@jonboy7892]

The Max regen button DOES work better than they state BUT you have to go into apps /hybrid modes/esave THEN turn on CHARGE. Factory settings is set to Save battery not Recharge!!! Any 4xe owners turn this on and you can recharge your battery way faster when you turn this in!

[@user-cj7dv2kc6d]

How is the throttle tip in when off road? Especially when in EV mode only? How much does the extra 700 pounds affect off road performance? Colorado credit isn't 2.5k anymore.

[@ChrisStack22]

I bought (leased) a Rubicon 4xe, and I can tell you why. First, the lease is absolutely dirt cheap; my Rubicon stickered at exactly $60k, and my lease is $420/mo. That’s only $20 more than my 2018 Sport S ($45k sticker). And it comes with the LEDs, FT AWD, 8AT, and a couple other things I was going to get anyways, so apples to apples it’s cheaper than a gas Rubi when you figure in the tax credit. And then my usage, I WFH so I have no commute, and do a lot of errands, kid drop off, etc in town, so I use no gas. And I also have a cabin 350 miles away where I go hunting, off-roading, etc, so I can use all EV around town, still make the trip to the cabin on gas, and then off-road, creep around looking for deer, etc, on EV when I get there. It’s a specific use case, but works great for me.

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

I know this is 2 months old, and you guys are talking about SRTs going away, but my small town is swimming in SRTs and Hellcats, Wicked Mustangs and V8 Camaros of every persuasion. Just sayn.

[@SamanthaHAgastin]

Love your talks. If you could just stop interrupting each other, 😂 that would be more pleasant to listen to. I agree, the interior of the Bronco is superior being cleaner, better designed, more ergonomic and functional, that's cool 😎☀️ 🎯

[@jlv3x]

I love Jeep but I have to admit that the I really like the look of the Bronco interior. However with most people not being able to buy one until 2023 I doubt if I would be willing to wait that long.

[@davidcarrico3385]

Bottom line is if your daily drive is less than 65 to 100 miles per day between charges, the 4xe is a no brainer. Between 65 and 100 is kind of a dead heat with others and if you daily drive 100+ between charges, the diesel may be the best choice. A LOT of people are in that first group. But the 4xe will not be for everyone.

[@fasteddie5174]

Max regen has more to do with braking, when driving at a constant speed you are not using your inertia and weight to generate electricity as you are not slowing down intentionally. City driving is better for regen as the regen serves as the majority of your braking force.

[@chucksrchabit.7671]

I love both. Been a fan of both my whole life. Own both if possible.