Jeet Kune Do: The Most Difficult Thing To Achieve In JKD

[@KarimDavisFilms]

Wow, you got this video out there fast 😁 awesome ! Thank you for the collab and for the Megabi mention!

[@blackenskatography9928]

Well done!!! Karim!!!

[@KarimDavisFilms]

@@blackenskatography9928 thanks pal, but could not have done anything without friends like Thomas and the #megabi crew 🙏😊 glad you enjoyed!

[@OctopusH2O]

This channel is a treasure for people interested in Bruce’s way of fighting 💪🏽🐉

[@megabi-skate]

So awesome!!!!! And thank you for the shout out at the end!!!!! Much respect!!!!! Izzy

[@xyon9090]

So, I posted about this in a Facebook Group with fellow Martial Artists and many have expressed disagreement in the "Hand before foot" punching principle. Some say, it does not even matter and that its not powerful, especially in Boxing or any combat sports. Others, threw insults at it, or insults at me for posting about it. Can you prove that "Hand before foot" is powerful even if incorporated in combat sports? I watch your videos and I like JKD, I am an Amateur Boxer but I still want to incorporate JKD elements into my arsenal. Its just that, I am still on the stage wherein I experiment which ones give me the best result in a fight.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

Must be all experts in that Facebook group. You wanna proof, do you research. Its not powerful enough, same like beginners punch is not powerful enough, because they can't do it, it has to be practiced. They insult you over this? Bunch of suppose jkd experts that suppose to teach jkd, but actually disagree with Bruce's jkd, because they belive they know it better. Must be they lucky knowing it better than Bruce did, and doing better jkd than him😂 Look, they have to find an excuse, why they never train and teach this, that's how they must talk against it. Simple psychological principle. Denial.

[@xyon9090]

@@ThomasMarxJKD, when it comes to Martial Arts, you know how people are. People tend to want realism and combat proof if possible. Some were respectful, some were straight up rude, still, most of them express their dislike on the idea or that Hand before feet principle isn't that relevant in a fast-paced fight. The people there are different sorts of Martial Artist, some train FMA, some train Boxing, some train HEMA and etc. "Aperture Fight Forum" is the name of the Facebook Group. Occassionally, people there post interesting stuff which keeps me interested even though many are expressive in their opinions especially in things they disagree on about combat and Martial Arts. Anyway, I'll keep training the "Hand before foot" for my straight lead. Hopefully, it will give good results in my fights.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

@@xyon9090 here is the thing, martial arts is always also a brain washing instrument. What they never heard of from their teachers, that must be not a thing. Also, what's is the argument, it does not matter in a "fast paced combat"? Ist there such a thing as slow passed combat 😂. When you attack, you want to be quick and not telegraphing, not just power full. Isn't that being fast paced. These arguments are realy stupid as a pile of potatoes. Forums are places, where bunch of morons can act like experts.

[@karlstarke2011]

If I. Not wrong. Jack Dempsey was maybe one of the first people to do something like this. The falling step. If I'm wrong and mixing things here hope Thomas will correct me.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

Yes, he proposed the falling step, hand before foot comes from fencing though...

[@naz7918]

Very useful video! And good quality 👍🏼

[@koeniguh]

Nice Thomas! It`s part of my practice... Steve Golden teached me how to train hand before food,and it is difficult; but I Like it! !

[@josekentunkyfunky9953]

Supper breakdown! Nice for also megabi skate mention with kalim! Best regards

[@danielfaivre9500]

Yeap ! Very good again ! Thanks for sharing 🙏

[@raydrexler5868]

The punch should land just before or at the same time as the lead foot lands on the ground. This adds more weight and power as well as making it less telegraphic. This is also from fencing and kendo.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

Before the foot lands

[@raydrexler5868]

@@ThomasMarxJKD Agreed, but failing that, as the foot lands is still more powerful than after. But I acquiesce to your expertise, and I thank you sifu for spreading the beautiful simplicity of JKD. Be safe.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

@raydrexler5868 absolutely

[@ccm115]

The back foot of Jeet Kune Do is very important, because it is the key to determining the victory or defeat. It is a kind of stability and pushing force. It is a measure of keeping a measure of scale and distance,am i right Sifu Thomas?

[@ccm115]

@@walterevans2118 😁😁😁

[@aquiredskill]

I get what you are saying . I put my jkd on a break for a while and to Stay fit i Just train strengt and shadow jkd boxing . To me hands and feet is my solution. Its fits with emilo and Tommy i think. Its Just easy to Stay fit And dont be lost in training experience

[@graphstyle]

The Hammer Drill is a good one to maintain non-telegraphic (hand before body)

[@davidconnelly]

Interesting. I had a feeling it might be that. I have a super technical JKD challenge that has been messing with my brain for years. What I'm about to discuss is all theory and is probably not even all that important. It's in a category of hyper analysis. I do NOT think any of what I'm about to ask is particularly important and I'm certainly NOT an expert. However, I'll lay it out for you and if anyone has an answer I'll be super impressed. Here we go: It's about "the push off". Now, think about a sprinter at the start of a 100m sprint. A sprinter's very first movement (from the starting blocks) is usually left hand goes up. I picked that up from the book Speed Trap by Charlie Francis. Anyway, in the case of Olympic sprinting there is an emphasis on forward motion. If a sprinters first movement was to (let's say) move their leg back then that would be considered inefficient. However, in the case of JKD - specifically because of the push off - the very first movement (on a micro level!) when moving forward is probably the dropping of the left heel. In other words a backwards movement. If I'm right about that (and I could be wrong) is this a sacrifice that JKD people make deliberately in exchange for some other benefit? In other words, won't the guy who is flat feeted be faster than the guy who is on his toes? Hold on! That wasn't particularly technical right? Well... here's the bit that messes with my brain. When a rocket is in space, it's not pushing against anything physically. However, when the rocket emits a thrust it moves forward - even though there's nothing being pushed against. Is it possible that this principle is somehow coming into play here and this might be the reason why the raised heel is acceptable? I'm not a martial arts guy but I'm interested in the physics behind this.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

The thing is, when you push of, you should use the whole leg. If you are flat footed, you basically prevent your ankle joint and the foot to participate in that procedure. In order to push off suddenly and explosive, that part of the leg is crucial.

[@davidconnelly]

@@walterevans2118 Well, thank you for that. Just to be clear - what I was saying wasn't a point about being a good or bad martial artists. It was more of a technical curiosity. The curiosity being that the first movement that happens - during a lead straight - is a movement in a backwards direction. Now, maybe I'm wrong about that but I don't think I am. Try getting a high def super slow motion of a lead straight and then watch the trailing heel. I'm sure there are perfectly valid justifications for doing things the way they are done. In any event, if I'm right we'd be talking about a backward motion that lasts for a tiny fraction of a second. So, this is certainly not something that's particularly important.

[@davidconnelly]

Correction: With the lead straight, I understand hand goes first. Perhaps I should have said 'the push off'. Anyway... again, it's not particularly important and I'm most definitely not a martial artist. I once recorded 112 videos with a certain martial artist. What I've just mentioned was just some tiny detail that caught my eye during filming. Nothing more. I absolutely may be wrong about this. It's a question of a physics (and I'm not very good at physics). So, the question is, during the push off what happens first - heel goes down or person's center-of-gravity moves forward? I think the heel goes down before the center-of-gravity moves forward. That's not really a question of good or bad technique. It's just a non-important detail to do with body mechanics. Anyway, thanks for the response. Your videos have started to appear on my feed for some reason - and I have to say, I do enjoy them. You're doing a great job.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

@@davidconnelly well, as the leg is the propulsion, the leg muscle Activate before the movement occurs. Than when the leg starts to push, the body should start moving forward immediately, there should be no delay. Maybe in milliseconds...

[@davidconnelly]

​@@ThomasMarxJKD Okay, Thomas. I hear you. Of course - you're right. It would certainly be an insignificant amount of time.

[@axelstone3131]

Wow I didn’t know you skate Thomas. I got a skateboard last year or maybe it was the year before. I always wanted to get good but never could. Anyway, I fell off and hurt myself, and I fell off a steel half pipe when I was younger and had triple vision. Guess it scared me, and because of my medical stuff I’m prone to getting more injured. It sucks because I’d love to be able to skate

[@jasonriley604]

😊 awesome!

[@aquiredskill]

Boxing and kickboxing is stil slower then hands and feet right ?

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

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[@karlstarke2011]

The Megabi project. Is there any web page to read about it? Thanks

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

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[@karlstarke2011]

@@ThomasMarxJKD the guy with you on the video was talking about a project in Etiopía if I'm not wrong.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

@@karlstarke2011 Ah, yes just ask Karim Davis Films... He has a youtube channel...

[@zetareticulan321]

Hand before foot is only used in long range, is that correct?

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

Yes, usually...

[@sidalibekhtaoui672]

Good video so in jkd when we punch we must the hand first and then footwork in all punch!!! Or how?

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

For straight punches, mostly the case, for hooks its the opposite...

[@sidalibekhtaoui672]

@@ThomasMarxJKD ok thank you

[@pascal0868]

A difficult skill indeed. In the meantime one can develop feints relatively quickly. A critical skill amongst elite boxers/kick-boxers. I believe feints occur in JKD? in my opinion skills in deception have longer shelf life in terms of getting old.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

Feints are good if you are slower of a person or when you need to cover distance and cant reach the opponent directly.

[@thomasthorne4010]

Jeet Kune Do has a different strategy. The goal is not self defense. It is the opposite. Having a strong offense is the primary objective. Many forms of martial arts work extensively on preparing their defense against whatever may come their way. They train to defend and counter attack. Some may argue that In JKD, to intercept is the idea. This may be true, although, Interception is not necessarily defensive in nature. Even though it happens upon their attack, it’s not always waiting for it. Interception is something that can take place before an attack, during, or after. All three of these can be done with an offensive goal in mind. Offense is a mindset. It’s the idea of being in command of the situation. When squaring off with an opponent, the mind should be focused on taking control. Taking control is not waiting for or anticipation of the attack. In most cases, a JKD man should set up their attack. In this case, their attack is what you want it to be. You draw or progressively set them up and use their attack against them.

[@ThomasMarxJKD]

In jkd, at high skill levels, offence and defence look the same.

[@thomasthorne4010]

@@ThomasMarxJKD I just did a mini class with my wife and son of what to do when grabbed behind. I tell my son about situational awareness and understanding what is out of place and a person grabbing you in the street is out of the ordinary. So we worked on that and ..... let's say they got the point of the lesson ..... lol

[@tahersarwari6010]

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[@Simon2k17]

This technique is actually easy. Imagine walking a dog. Your dog sees another dog and suddenly drags you. Hand before the foot.

[@Simon2k17]

@Wolfgath I disagree. This technique is not the hardest. I would even say it's one of the easier techniques. Developing one inch punch power while 135 pounds is the hardest. Punching through 8 by 11 piece of paper held up by a string is the hardest. Side kicking through 4 boards while it's being held up by one hand, is the hardest. Hand before the foot is actually a breeze. You don't have to believe me, but I got it the first week.

[@Simon2k17]

@Wolfgath I remembered watching a Tim Tackett video 5 years ago. He also said it was hard. That's where I learned it. Haha.