My Raspberry Pi has a better GPU than Apple's M4 Pro

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Jeff Geerling

Jeff Geerling

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@nickmacdx
@nickmacdx Ай бұрын
Surely you mean your GPU has a better Raspberry Pi than the M4 Pro does ?
@user-lh3xs9km6z
@user-lh3xs9km6z Ай бұрын
Still impressive arm support here ... The openess of rasp5 Is something average Apple simp Will never understand ...
@-danR
@-danR Ай бұрын
The title is 99% pure clickbait. There is one single mention of "M4": "I can run more displays off this single Pi 5 than a brand new M4 Pro Mac Mini." which doesn't support the broad claim of the title. That's 12 minutes I'll never get back.
@ranjitmandal1612
@ranjitmandal1612 Ай бұрын
🤣
@vvgr409
@vvgr409 Ай бұрын
@@-danR This title is not clickbait, it's video about running external GPU on RPi 5 that is more powerful than M4 integrated GPU.
@hadeseye2297
@hadeseye2297 Ай бұрын
@@-danR No sense of humor, huh?
@MarcoGPUtuber
@MarcoGPUtuber Ай бұрын
All I wanna know is if I can play Jeff Geerling videos in 4K.
@paladingeorge6098
@paladingeorge6098 Ай бұрын
Doom Eternal on a raspberry pi still hitting 30fps is insane. Even though the use case for a dgpu on a pi is limited, I think this demonstrates just how far modern ARM cpus can go on a tight power budget.
@123Andersonev
@123Andersonev Ай бұрын
imagine if it was a Snappy X Elite
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
@@123Andersonev I soooooo wish Qualcomm would see 'real' PCIe expansion as something worth adding. The Dev Kit came close but didn't deliver there.
@AndrewAHayes
@AndrewAHayes Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Full PCIe for ARM would be a game changer, we might even see more development for faster Raspberry Pi compute modules.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ай бұрын
@@AndrewAHayes Doesn’t Ampere have that? Not at all an SBC, but still ARM.
@concinnus
@concinnus Ай бұрын
Alternately, it shows just how incompetent most game CPU coding is, that some no more complicated games can't hold 60fps on a modern desktop CPU. Meanwhile Doom Eternal can do 1000fps.
@Gwilo
@Gwilo Ай бұрын
babe come quick, they got GPUs working on the Raspberry Pi 5
@he8535
@he8535 Ай бұрын
This might allow Nintendo switch,Xbox 360, ps 3 emulation on a pi might still need a pi 6 with better cpu performance but we're close
@jpino528
@jpino528 Ай бұрын
I do admire Jeff Geerling because he is always willing to learn, credit where credit is due, and most importantly, doesn't drive at 90Mph on a residential area.
@farishanafiah8461
@farishanafiah8461 Ай бұрын
Yet most people would still watch and believe that person who drives at 90mph in a residential area simply because he has millions of subs.
@_..-.._..-.._
@_..-.._..-.._ Ай бұрын
He doesn’t sell $50 jpgs either 😂
@tutacat
@tutacat Ай бұрын
But he did to run 4K on a Pi GPU
@TheEmptyHoliness
@TheEmptyHoliness Ай бұрын
i don’t get the reference
@Fractal_32
@Fractal_32 Ай бұрын
@@TheEmptyHoliness It’s about Marques Brownlee.
@kchiem
@kchiem Ай бұрын
4:37 Linus would be proud of that segue.
@tablettablete186
@tablettablete186 Ай бұрын
No way 😂😂😂😂
@neetop1557
@neetop1557 Ай бұрын
Nobody cares.
@Peter1986C
@Peter1986C Ай бұрын
@@tablettablete186 He means that guy from LTT, not the one from the LF.
@Reeonimus
@Reeonimus Ай бұрын
"Super easy to install steam, barely an inconvenience". I see what you did there Jeff.
@malcolmanderson6735
@malcolmanderson6735 Ай бұрын
I missed that pitch meeting moment.
@thecivilizedgamer2533
@thecivilizedgamer2533 Ай бұрын
Wow wow wow!
@ivanbgp
@ivanbgp Ай бұрын
He said the thing from the other thing!
@malcolmanderson6735
@malcolmanderson6735 Ай бұрын
@@Reeonimus He did it that way because I needed him to do it so the movie could happen. Besides, that's the way physics works.
@mc10guru
@mc10guru Ай бұрын
Using six monitors on a Pi5 is tight! Cheers, daveyb
@sven
@sven Ай бұрын
Shoutout to Action Retro, LMNC music in the background. What a time to be alive :D
@timseguine2
@timseguine2 Ай бұрын
Jensen's Crysis comment had some serious "How do you do, fellow kids" energy
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Only gamers would get that joke!
@squid11160
@squid11160 Ай бұрын
New games are big because the textures are huge. It boils down to objects not looking potato when you get close to them while playing at 4k, especially on large displays like TVs. There are some beautiful games with minimal amount of textures and mostly shader and particle effects driven, but those are few and far between, and often not demanding. Like thumper
@fujinshu
@fujinshu Ай бұрын
Also, there’s lack of optimisation due to lazy development strategies that are often a result of increased cases of time crunch, which means MANY more games are being cranked out at once but the output of a game studio becomes sloppier as a result.
@stereomato
@stereomato Ай бұрын
​@@fujinshui ❤ uncompressed 4k textures
@tomuchtosay16
@tomuchtosay16 Ай бұрын
It goes beyond that also though. The current triple AAA dev cycle doesn't prioritize compression or optimization as a huge priority.
@boshi9
@boshi9 Ай бұрын
@@fujinshu I don't know what world you're living in where "MANY more games are being cranked out at once". Pick practically any studio, you'll see that the output is way down compared to what it was in the past.
@TheThreatenedSwan
@TheThreatenedSwan Ай бұрын
Even still they don't optimize for shit. Just look at how much memory Hitman 2 & 3 got down to
@syrus3k
@syrus3k Ай бұрын
I love the GPU madness series of videos - absolute fave..probably because I remember the early days of linux where getting X to run was a massive deal.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Nowadays I'm constantly impressed with Mesa, Vulkan, etc. how things 'just work' once you get the physical layer and base driver going. Just 10 years ago I'd probably spend more time battling a desktop environment instead of... doing fun stuff on Linux :D And Proton/Wine/Steam/Box86 really drives that home!
@DiamondMaster115
@DiamondMaster115 Ай бұрын
I remember thinking that the Raspberry Pi would be the only notable piece of tech that could not run Crysis or Doom, but now I can finally put that theory to rest...
@anonymousidea9119
@anonymousidea9119 Ай бұрын
I feel like they can all run doom (90s doom at least)
@randypeeters3931
@randypeeters3931 Ай бұрын
Cool that u used the music of "look mum no computer". U should do that more!
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Looooove his channel, his vibe, his music :D Just want to go visit that museum next time I'm in the UK.
@Dygear
@Dygear Ай бұрын
Eben stated when the Raspberry Pi 5 first lunched that a 16GB model was possible. I've been crossing my fingers that they would release that soon since then. But it looks like Forza Horizon 4 could run well on here with more RAM. I would love to have a 16GB Pi as they make great web servers.
@cooperised
@cooperised Ай бұрын
16GB would be great for ZFS as well.
@asumazilla
@asumazilla Ай бұрын
Can you get away with using Ram on a GPU?
@Tom_Kowalczuk
@Tom_Kowalczuk Ай бұрын
3:30 Wow wow wow Wow
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Oh wow.
@johnrichardwilliams
@johnrichardwilliams Ай бұрын
Ryan George references are tight!
@SgtCreepyGaming
@SgtCreepyGaming Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerlingwow wow wow wow
@tayzonday
@tayzonday Ай бұрын
This makes me wonder what the margins are on $300 and $400 GPUs.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
I just wish there were more budget GPUs available these days :(
@concinnus
@concinnus Ай бұрын
Margins on such low-mid cards are lowish because there's competition (would be lower if AMD had any mindshare). It's the high-end cards from nVidia that have no competition that give high margins, nevermind the AI stuff that has like 90% gross margin.
@bdhale34
@bdhale34 Ай бұрын
if you priced all of the componants on a 4090 that card would cost you less than $300 to build. the profit margines are insane, on almost every product anyone buys because there are zero regulations on how much a company can rip someone off if they will pay the price.
@concinnus
@concinnus Ай бұрын
@@bdhale34 You're talking out of your ass. While nVidia's profit margins are probably the highest in the industry (outside of budget cards at least), that means ~50% gross margin. The 4090 BoM is a hell of a lot more than $300. The GPU die cost alone is ~$225 assuming 90% yields.
@tayzonday
@tayzonday Ай бұрын
@ The tech hardware industry in particular has always seemed vulnerable to price fixing due to there only being a few suppliers and a few leading design IPs for memory, CPUs, GPUs, storage and the like. It’s not like Micron is a bakery in New York competing with a thousand others. I’m convinced that a 24 terabyte “Enterprise” magnetic drive might cost 50% more to manufacture at scale than a 5 terabyte “consumer” one now- and the absurd premium is just a worldwide price fixing cartel.
@ActionRetro
@ActionRetro Ай бұрын
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
👋
@Toby_Q
@Toby_Q Ай бұрын
But if you watch his latest iMac G4-M4 video though, he actually made something useful and good looking too... I think somethings wrong!
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
@@Toby_Q Haha I know... at the end of that video I was like ...and I want one now.
@Toby_Q
@Toby_Q Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I have two old iMac G4's, but they are not the widescreen/higher resolution models. If I did this, I'd have to have a widescreen iMac G4. But yeah, I'm a bit jealous of his new iMac G4-M4. I will say though, it's probably the only video Sean has made that made me want to replicate it... everything else just looks like torture, but it's entertainment for us!
@foldionepapyrus3441
@foldionepapyrus3441 Ай бұрын
Its never a dumb idea to make something work, its only inefficient and a bit silly if you have to buy expensive high performance new stuff that you know is going to bottleneck in your intended real world deployment. But getting a GPU working on a low power CPU, or with unusual architecture opens up so many sane usecases.
@jonglass
@jonglass Ай бұрын
Kudos for the music by Look Mum, No Computer!
@schonja9
@schonja9 Ай бұрын
Epic Look Mum No Computer outro! Love the ARM64 PCIe experiments a lot, looking forward to the Ampere content too. Running a Snapdragon ARM64 my main machine since a year with Windows, but ARM64 it really can't be seen as a real PC alternative. I can't even run Linux on it properly, because Qualcomm isn't interested, also I couldn't add a big GPU. In general with the ARM64 stuff support is really dependent on specific interests of the big manufacturers (Nvidia: Linux + AI, totally works, Windows + Gaming.. not at all :D) your efforts and documentation really pushes things that should be working already to.. working - keep it up!
@DreitTheDarkDragon
@DreitTheDarkDragon Ай бұрын
So next step - fast network switch, multiple RPis with ramdisk shared via NFS and mounted as swap. I did that years ago, shared 12GB over 100Mb/s network into 1GB RAM netbook via NFS. I was very surprised how well that worked! :)
@DreitTheDarkDragon
@DreitTheDarkDragon Ай бұрын
I mean, I shared 12GB of RAM from desktop PC to Intel Atom netbook and just browsed web, but it might work for games too.
@coreforge
@coreforge Ай бұрын
When I tried it with NBD, I always lost the connection when it tried to swap back in, but I haven't tried NFS for swap yet. If it works reliably, that'd be a good option to deal with the memory hog that is steamwebhelper.
@CrassSpektakel
@CrassSpektakel Ай бұрын
SSH -X bigiron firefox
@Mr8perezm
@Mr8perezm Ай бұрын
Yet again pushing boundaries. Kudos. There are rumours of CM5 with 16gb, may make a lot more games playable on pi egpu setup.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
I sure hope so!
@toast1797
@toast1797 Ай бұрын
I have to say your silliest content are my fave
@googleyoutubechannel8554
@googleyoutubechannel8554 Ай бұрын
Jeff is the definition of a 'madlad'
@TalsBadKidney
@TalsBadKidney Ай бұрын
Such a flex! For piheads everywhere, this is great stuff
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo Ай бұрын
I did a quick Geekbench 6 compute on the M4 Max 64GB and it it outpacing the AMD Radeon Pro W7700. Pretty impressive that a 14" notebook GPU is even in the same league as a 190W dual slot desktop card.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Sheeeeesh! M4 Max is amazing-and I'm hopeful they intro an M4 Ultra at some point. I would loooove to upgrade my Studio now that my home Mac is faster than my 'work' Mac!
@ServeTheHomeVideo
@ServeTheHomeVideo Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling What is funny is I ended up using the M1 Max 64GB laptop all the time, and much more seldomly the M1 Ultra 128GB Studio. Portability is key for me.
@autohmae
@autohmae Ай бұрын
How far has Asahi Linux gotten now ? They got all major non-GPU hardware working fine on the m1 and m2 I believe ? And GPU progress was really good I think ?
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
@@ServeTheHomeVideo True, you put in a lot more miles than I do!
@grantschilb8019
@grantschilb8019 29 күн бұрын
@@autohmae It's great on M1/M2. Almost indistinguishable from x86 Fedora. My M3 Pro however cannot run it yet.
@ninline2000
@ninline2000 Ай бұрын
Looking forward to the Pi6 with Thunderbolt 4.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Haha! With the rate at which Broadcom/Pi can adopt new tech, it'd probably be Thunderbolt 2 (which, ironically, would still be pretty useful :D)
@cooperised
@cooperised Ай бұрын
You have great taste in games. Portal and Portal 2 are about the peak of gaming experience IMO! Perfect balance of gameplay, graphics, storyline, and soundtrack, plus a really innovative and flexible game mechanic.
@TheYoutubes-f1s
@TheYoutubes-f1s Ай бұрын
Thanks for anticipating the question about LLMs and ROCm!
@max.racing
@max.racing Ай бұрын
0:26 the Team Rocket card :D
@aniketpatil1452
@aniketpatil1452 Ай бұрын
:D
@NIGH11
@NIGH11 Ай бұрын
I had to double check that it wasn't April 1st....incredible work...
@sapperlott
@sapperlott Ай бұрын
I appreciated the "barely an inconvenience" reference 🙂
@noahqh
@noahqh Ай бұрын
As a workaround for not having ROCm on ARM, consider trying Vulkan acceleration for LLMs instead. Performance takes about a 25% hit in my experience, but it's something.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
So far I can't get the Ollama stuff working with Vulkan because it's X86 only, but there may be other ways... still tinkering with that.
@PixlRainbow
@PixlRainbow Ай бұрын
@@JeffGeerling you should still be able to bypass ollama and load the underlying models through code e.g. tensorflow or pytorch. Those libraries have native ARM support, though to get hardware acceleration working you may need to specify that you want to use Vulkan or OpenGL, as they won't assume that by default.
@olnnn
@olnnn Ай бұрын
OpenCL is also available on AMD gpus via rusticl if you have an up to date version of mesa if ollama or other llms can use that (provided it works on ARM)
@tomp2p
@tomp2p Ай бұрын
​@@JeffGeerling you can use llama.cpp directly as Ollama also uses llama.cpp in the background. ARM is supported, as it can be used with Apple Metal. But performance wise, in my experiments, its 2-3 times slower than ROCm.
@rmcdudmk212
@rmcdudmk212 Ай бұрын
Thats quite the accomplishment Jeff. Excellent work dude. 👍
@noodlekingjr
@noodlekingjr Ай бұрын
thank you jeff for paving the way for the future on arm. I can definitely see valve making the steam deck 3/4 a full arm chip.
@MegaManNeo
@MegaManNeo Ай бұрын
When you replied "why not Half-Life 2 in 4k60?" I was like "errrr....", now I see the results. Impressive progress there! As someone who really likes PC games of that era anyway, the Pi 5 could be fun to use for a retro gaming rig.
@GraysonLynch
@GraysonLynch Ай бұрын
They finally got steamlink working for raspberry pi 5 😭 amazing!
@chipzhu
@chipzhu Ай бұрын
In Chinese, we call this hardware combination '吕布骑狗'.🤣 Okay, to be serious, it's a really useful test. Can't wait to see Compute Module 5 with more extensibility.
@soviut303
@soviut303 Ай бұрын
Modern AAA games are big because they include huge high resolution assets like massive textures and their mipmaps, incredibly detailed models with often 6 level of detail, etc. It then has to include all the lower resolution assets for lower quality settings. Console games are often smaller because they can specifically tune the asset pool, but on PC you don't know if the person running your game is going to run it on low or ultra settings so you have to include everything to make that possible.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
They should just target 480p, problem solved!
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 Ай бұрын
But do they need to include everything? Couldn't they ship low-medium textures to save space, then have the ultra resolution textures as free DLC?
@Alexandros_Alpha
@Alexandros_Alpha 23 күн бұрын
Finally you did it! And we did it! I m following your videos about this pi+gpu concept. I would love to see a video with RX 6400 from amd working with a pi5. Maybe test New Vegas, Bioshock, Assassins Creed series.
@RoboticsDIY
@RoboticsDIY Ай бұрын
Thank you for your work making this possible. I'm sure it plays some role in AMD drivers development. ANd second - for sharing "Action Retro", guy seem good, I wonder why i never stumbled on hm before.
@joshhunter454
@joshhunter454 Ай бұрын
A reason for why Doom Eternal ran so well is that most (or all, I don't remember) of the lighting is pre-baked into textures (also why the download is massive).
@shalekendar6759
@shalekendar6759 Ай бұрын
*Super easy, barely an inconvenience* I see what you did there!
@Square_Donut
@Square_Donut Ай бұрын
“Super easy barely an inconvenience”
@DrathVader
@DrathVader Ай бұрын
Once the drivers get stable, a pi + a dedicated gpu could be genuinely a good enough combo for casual usage, and even games by the looks of it
@nathanhamman418
@nathanhamman418 Ай бұрын
Probably wont see it till next gen, but id love to see 16gb and 32gb models of the pi.
@MGThePro
@MGThePro Ай бұрын
Would be interesting to have a future CM5 connected to a laptop formfactor GPU (MXM) on a carrier board. Some of those are pretty cheap, like a used rx 5500xt with MXM connecter can be had for 40€ over here
@euphanasia210
@euphanasia210 Ай бұрын
I knew this would improve fast but not this fast! Pi support is unrivaled.
@eirinym
@eirinym Ай бұрын
This is quite impressive for sure. I just always find myself wanting more pcie lanes on the pi. I know that's an engineering task, but imagine having even one more available. Or a total of four, and even at gen 3 speeds, the bandwidth is tantalizing. Splitting that between nvme and a GPU feels like a dream.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Or dual 10 GbE Ethernet :D
@real-raiden-ei
@real-raiden-ei Ай бұрын
Absolute mad lad. BTW your Ansible guides helped me a lot landing a job so thank you good sir.
@MethEnFait
@MethEnFait Ай бұрын
Interested in seeing the perf of this setup in 1080p 😊
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
I did a lot of comparisons between 1080p and 4K, and surprisingly, the performance is usually close enough I prefer 4K on my larger monitor. The CPU/bus bottleneck clears up at much lower resolutions (like 720p or less), but then things get a little more pixelated :( There's still room for improvement in the driver though-it's doing a couple tweaks that take away a little performance. And for things like OBS, there are other ways to optimize screen capture I haven't explored.
@MyPhone-qg2eh
@MyPhone-qg2eh Ай бұрын
I don't even own a 4k TV yet. But nobody is complaining.
@MrScottyTay
@MrScottyTay Ай бұрын
nice LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER music in the background
@schotoka
@schotoka Ай бұрын
thank you for being yourself, for your content and being a role model in this mad world!
@heyitsdrew
@heyitsdrew Ай бұрын
I think one reason why games are so memory-laden is better to keep up with the speed and demand of performance today. they don't compress their files as much so it is available right away. plus since today's peripherals and PC components can "dew it", developers don't bother trying to squeeze out any unnecessary bytes. so basically I'm sure there's a way they can like cut their code in half and save on memory, but because computers are so powerful and people have huge hard drive capacity anyway, they don't bother. plus I'm sure manufacturers of them are happy when you upgrade your storage to fit the next never ending games that are released
@joshhaas8121
@joshhaas8121 Ай бұрын
👍 for shark shirt Jeff
@turtius
@turtius Ай бұрын
wow its really impressive considering most of these games are running under wine which also adds some overhead
@opfipip3711
@opfipip3711 Ай бұрын
Yeah, and that the overhead is mostly more RAM usage and a bit CPU makes it worse
@linuxrobotgeek
@linuxrobotgeek Ай бұрын
Amazing this would be great for emulation and possibly Tensorflow in the future.
@SupraSav
@SupraSav Ай бұрын
The proof of concept is great. It doesn't need to be practical, it will find it's use cases and this is why we youtube. Better dust off the 1080ti(wonder if I could get that to work). I can prepare my underground apocalypse bunker with a back-up gaming PC now.
@whitneydesignlabs8738
@whitneydesignlabs8738 Ай бұрын
I will be super excited about this if big Nvidea CUDA cards for Ollama and local LLMs become plausible. Thanks for letting us know right at the front of the video, but I still watched to the end. :)
@HowsiryDo-cy1vh
@HowsiryDo-cy1vh Ай бұрын
I can just picture a package arriving at Jeff's office while he was filming that surfshark ad spot. "Hello, Package for Jeff? Uhhh...Yes. You can put it down over there please, I don't have hands at the moment".
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
It's just a challenge figuring out how to do everyday things with shark-hands!
@AG-bp3ll
@AG-bp3ll Ай бұрын
Bottlenecking your graphics card with a potato is always a good policy.
@dennisestenson7820
@dennisestenson7820 Ай бұрын
13:49 just going by the error message it appears to be related to loading unsigned/invalidly signed firmware, or something like that. If it hasn't been fixed yet, I'm sure it will be soon.
@vinetuchlupaty
@vinetuchlupaty Ай бұрын
This is really cool. I would love to see a Arm-based steamdeck, but thought it is only a place in my dreams, but this brings me hope.
@codefallacy
@codefallacy Ай бұрын
This isn't just fun to do, but a peek into the future! What would blow my mind would be if the asahi linux team could develop a thunderbolt driver, we could be using nvidia/amd gpus on macs again while running linux lol
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
My hope, tbh!
@bowlofsoup7721
@bowlofsoup7721 Ай бұрын
As an owner of a Pi and an old rx 580, I can only wonder what I could do with the two combined.
@CraigTinson2015
@CraigTinson2015 Ай бұрын
Awesome as always.. thanks! as for the lack of RAM? just "download more RAM!" (and if you remember *that* reference - and false advertising - yer as old as me!)
@666ortiz
@666ortiz Ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, it was news to me how many commercial games are available with natively compiled arm binaries already
@Samael1113
@Samael1113 Ай бұрын
I realize it's in your wheelhouse of interest, and R Pi probably encourage you by sending you stuff, but you do such a good job making things look fun and accessible. I started thinking about seriously playing around with Raspberry Pis about a year ago. My frustrations with windows and seeing if I'd be more satisfied with Linux only making me consider more, and I stumbled on your channel when doing a little research and you quickly had me excited about a number of possibilities with the Pi 5. To the point I'm thinking I should buy a R Pi 5 or two this year in the coming weeks. One for retro, one for just normal stuff and learning Linux to see what I can do with it when I don't need my gaming laptop. (I'll probably start with one and have two different storage / boot drives). I'm still hoping that they create an (semi-)official Graphics Card hat or base to make that aspect easier for mid-range rendering. But that's probably another generation out, unless the market suddenly has a massive demand for it. Although I wonder what the boards for the CM 5 will offer when it becomes available. But if there's a reasonably accessible and inexpensive way to get the Pi to emulate like a PS4 Pro for gaming (~10 year old Mid-range gaming PC), that would be the point where I couldn't ask for more to be fully satisfied. The Pi 5 is already basically there, but the GPU is definitely not.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
The best thing about SBCs (whether Pi or something else) is I can feel amazing if I get something to work (it's boring getting things working when they're expected to work)... and I also don't get depressed when I completely fry one, because that's $50 or $60 and not $600 or $1000 of computer I just cooked :D
@peterbatski2667
@peterbatski2667 Ай бұрын
"Mom i want a gaming pc" "but we have a gaming pc at home" The gaming pc at home:
@recess677
@recess677 Ай бұрын
The sponsor block callout really made me double take. Well played Jeff
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Heh, gotcha!
@RossComputerGuy
@RossComputerGuy Ай бұрын
This makes me want to try getting Steam to work on Ampere and my M1 Pro MBP running NixOS.
@fujinshu
@fujinshu Ай бұрын
Wait, can macOS run NixOS?!?! I thought only Asahi could run so far!
@Lauren_C
@Lauren_C Ай бұрын
Speaking of display outputs, having a gaming laptop with dGPU kind of saved my bacon in theatre tech. We needed to run 4 separate projectors simultaneously at one point in our play, and most laptops with iGPU couldn’t do it and keep the internal display. Using both the iGPU (USB-C alt mode to HDMI converters) and dGPU (the latter assigned to the internal display via mux), I was able to pull it off, with room for one more (the HDMI is connected to the dGPU). I found that hyper specific niche case that a Macbook cannot touch. 😝
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
There's always a niche use case for even the wildest of setups!
@aadityamore5645
@aadityamore5645 Ай бұрын
When the device is cheaper than the game itself.
@UltimateTechHub
@UltimateTechHub Ай бұрын
Don't you mean your GPU has a Raspberry pi? Lol! Great video!
@MastermindAtWork
@MastermindAtWork Ай бұрын
I have two hopes. One, your GPU patches gets added to the main Raspberry Pi Kernel. Two, Rockchip for their 35XX have this PCI-E development get better to people can use GPUs on those things.
@Atiklyar
@Atiklyar Ай бұрын
It's crazy to me that one of your first videos are ever watched was the start of this "GPU on Pi" journey, where the driver kept locking up and was a total loss. And now we're seeing current AMD cards working.
@domramsey
@domramsey Ай бұрын
Very impressive progress on this! I guess in no small part down to your own personal obsession! 🙂
@MrTestingchannel1
@MrTestingchannel1 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, now I need to go to make a cluster out of as many Raspberry Pi 5 I can get! And add some AMD Top Tires GPUs rack to the cluster.
@el_es
@el_es Ай бұрын
We need the after bloopers ghost subtitles like Technology Connections.
@twilliamc3
@twilliamc3 Ай бұрын
Come for the FPS, stay for the bloopers.
@GIRGHGH
@GIRGHGH Ай бұрын
With game size, think of it like this: There's 10 times as many objects with 10 times as much resolution, that's 100 times as much data to store. Each quality of the game is a multiplier and they're trying to cram more into every category at once, so it's not linear without major optimizations.
@DesocupadoXtremo
@DesocupadoXtremo Ай бұрын
I've been saying it for years, if we get x86/ARM translation going well ARM portables will dominate, the current SD chips are beasts, they just need the PC library for take over the handheld space, maybe ARM+AMD is also a good combo, hope in some years the Steam Deck 3 run games at 1080p for like 6 hours
@iamdarkyoshi
@iamdarkyoshi Ай бұрын
Hey Jeff, check out Portal Stories: Mel, and Portal Reloaded. As a portal fan, these were extremely enjoyable! Side note: I am stunned at how many games you got running. Even ignoring the mind boggling fact you've got a dGPU behaving on a pi now, I did not expect games to run on arm on linux like that. Very cool stuff!
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Oh no... I have avoided Reloaded for years... don't tempt me! lol
@iamdarkyoshi
@iamdarkyoshi Ай бұрын
@JeffGeerling The time has come. Pi: Reloaded running Portal: Reloaded
@GigantTech
@GigantTech Ай бұрын
8:48 thats an xbox one s or newer controller
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
True... no glowing green X orb!
@lizfcknzs
@lizfcknzs Ай бұрын
Really excited about this, it would be great to see this on another more powerful ARM SBC, but I am sure that would take way too much effort to get it working on boards with way smaller Userbases. But this on an rk3588 with 16GB of RAM would be very interesting.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Definitely-I once tried a year ago, haven't since. But one of the big issues is trying to get newer Linux kernels on these boards, since a lot of driver fixups happen between like 5.10 to 6.1, and 6.1 to 6.6, etc. On the Pi, it's official Pi OS stays pretty close to modern LTS releases, so it's been easier to maintain patches.
@salpichu1343
@salpichu1343 Ай бұрын
that is an *awfully* modern looking Xbox 360 controller... in all seriousness this looks super neat, surprised to see that a Pi keeping up like that
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Heh, realized just now I think that's a One S controller maybe? Honestly can't remember, I bought it years ago in the era when they were changing up the 360 to One, and had the Slim and all that.
@Yagami2027
@Yagami2027 Ай бұрын
​@@JeffGeerlingYeah, it's an Xbox one controller released after 2016.
@jjptech
@jjptech Ай бұрын
"It's fun to make hardware do things it wasn't inteded to do" I am "opensourcing" that phrase
@zambonidriver42
@zambonidriver42 Ай бұрын
Outtakes and likely kernel recompiles! Woohoo!! 😂
@deanallenjones
@deanallenjones Ай бұрын
I live next to a 5 G phone tower. A bunch of guys had the cabinet open and were working on the computers inside. They saw me looking and were worried I was a "anti 5g nut" I simply asked "Can you run Doom on that?"
@HarshKumar-e6j
@HarshKumar-e6j 24 күн бұрын
What was the reply dude 😂
@deanallenjones
@deanallenjones 23 күн бұрын
@@HarshKumar-e6j ONE guy got it. Apparently he's been itching to try and find out
@HarshKumar-e6j
@HarshKumar-e6j 23 күн бұрын
@@deanallenjones if you had successfully convinced them to play doom on it you must have praised in the subreddit
@BlackHoleForge
@BlackHoleForge Ай бұрын
6:37 it's cool to see what theraspberry pi can become. A small piece of electronics that you just to plug it into your TV and play your games. I currently do this with my laptop, but it's kind of large and bulky, and in the way.
@alexlandherr
@alexlandherr Ай бұрын
A super-niche use case for an external GPU + Pi5 may be a tiny FFmpeg render server.
@silversonic1
@silversonic1 Ай бұрын
"I'm in danger!" instantly made me think of Ralph Wiggum.
@spinkey4842
@spinkey4842 Ай бұрын
right on man!! on a side note... selling a game on steam and then adding your own launcher for that game is not the devs choice, it's steam being a douche and taxing the taxes on the game market.
@humano23
@humano23 Ай бұрын
Woww this is so cool I would love seeing the raspberry pi be used for gaming even tho it’s not really made for it
@humano23
@humano23 Ай бұрын
Wow thank you so much for liking I’m sorta a fan of you:)
@süleymancamcı-j9o
@süleymancamcı-j9o Ай бұрын
It is a crazy. You are playing Doom Eternal a 4K it's insane
@alepouna
@alepouna Ай бұрын
I do have a few amd gpus laying around... and I do just need a PC to do 1080p recording and streaming....... Thanks Jeff! Now I know what to do ;)
@stefanmisch5272
@stefanmisch5272 Ай бұрын
The Radeons supports DisplayPort Multistream. So with daisy chained monitors and or a DisplayPort MSt-Hub you could add at least two more monitors.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling Ай бұрын
Oooh... I wonder if Linux supports that correctly too?
@stefanmisch5272
@stefanmisch5272 Ай бұрын
Phoronix posted an article in 2021 that DP 2.0 support, including MST, was merged into kernel 5.16. So it _should_ work.
@gingered
@gingered Ай бұрын
I read "I'm in danger" like Ralph from the Simpson's and I think that's hilarous
@megan_alnico
@megan_alnico Ай бұрын
I'm very nostalgic for the days when cpu sockets weren't proprietary and you could just go out and buy a different company's chip to stick in your current motherboard. I totally buy an arm chip and throw it in an computer in the house just a mess around with it.
@frankiebegbie
@frankiebegbie Ай бұрын
I dunno, there was only a narrow window from 8086 to first MMX Pentium where you could get various socket-compatible CPUs. Maybe a few other obscure ones I never discovered? I think my NEST controller might have more computing power 😮
@attri2292
@attri2292 Ай бұрын
Pi and mega gpu, that's definitely a jeff video
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