When tech is not up to the mark, expressing your thoughts is just a feedback not negativity.
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
I get your point, however it is called "better than nothing" internet for a reason. Musk has been transparent in stating its in beta mode and will improve in time. The current rollout was intended for people who had no internet access, rather than for people who have hi-speed service to compare between services. Mail me your dish if you are that unhappy and save me the wait.
@handle_gc2 жыл бұрын
@@ryansuedel9274 I'm not blaming someone or something, you should read it twice
@zachb.61792 жыл бұрын
@@ryansuedel9274 "better than nothing"? oh so that's why they did the hella expensive proprietary connection cables?
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
@@handle_gc you didn't, I did. My point was while the OC was expressing his feedback, it was misguided. Comparing a beta version (which is honestly sold as "better than nothing) to a fully functional service is like drinking expensive wine out of a paper cup and complaining it tastes better out of crystal. I'm blaming people for knowing that and complaining anyway, and also taking the limited availability from those who have no internet.
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
@@zachb.6179 the service, yes....not the equipment. Check out the website and any interviews with Musk. Starlink has been pretty honest in my opinion.
@TheGTP19952 жыл бұрын
A dongle to have a crucial port and a proprietary connector, I see that Starlink has learned the Apple way
@ne14lov220022 жыл бұрын
Cause it's part of the APPLE... Open your eyes and you shall see
@waynemasters86732 жыл бұрын
Why is your own life worse than being a vidiot?
@neceugene27732 жыл бұрын
Not an apt comparison. Apple has sold USB/thunderbolt based Ethernet dongles and has supported 3rd party dongles for 20 years now. If you're referring to products that use the 30-pin or lightning connectors, there has almost always been supported third party products for those as well. It's 2022, time to retire that joke.
@kristoZen2 жыл бұрын
@@neceugene2773 Apple are overpriced underpowered un upgradable pieces of gloatware, who fools their customers into upgrading by slowing the performances of older hardware on purpose. I won't even walk near the apple designated areas of shopping centers out of disgust for their un customizable junk, and tendency to use Chinese sweat shops to make their crap : \ Booo Apple Boo
@da41272 жыл бұрын
@@neceugene2773 doesn’t matter if there are supported third party products for the lighting connector, Apple signed a cooperation agreement to use standardised port over 10 years ago, they argued for,lighting saying it was faster and providing adaptors, but they still use their dumb lighting connector today when USB C is now faster, better and common. All their products also work in a closed environment, where if you want to use all the features of your phone, earphones, headphones, pc, ipad, etc. you need to buy more Apple products. IOS is also closed to the point that you couldn’t even see the files on your device until 3 years ago, and you still cannot configure so many things that you can on Android. Today you can’t even change the camera of an iPhone for another original camera from another iPhone. And the excuse? “They are proprietary”, literally said by Apple. You are right, it’s time to retire the joke because its not longer a joke, it’s the sad reality of a world where people don’t care of big corporations decide how they should live their lives.
@nezu_cc2 жыл бұрын
The inequality is crazy. I have symmetric gigabit FTTH internet with a dedicated IP and all ports open(Literal dream when it comes to homelabing) and no data caps for ~25$/mo in Poland. Crazy what some people pay for shitty LTE with almost no signal strength and insanely low data caps.
@NuLiForm2 жыл бұрын
WoW!! Seriously!
@tudbut2 жыл бұрын
i live in Germany and i have none of these things (i dont have a data cap but my bandwidth is very low, not because the cables to my house cant handle it, but instead cuz i dont pay enough) for 50€/mo
@dwmcever2 жыл бұрын
5G LTE in Central Texas $50 a month. 140Mbs at 4 am 5-10Mbs at 9pm. My neighbors can't even get it cause the Tower has been sold out. My backup is 4G LTE 30Mps 2 Mbs at 9pm. neighbor has DSL. Yes DSL.
@kyronmeza62752 жыл бұрын
Damn I feel you. Same specs for me, 1 Gbit/s FTTH all ports open for like ~$30 US / month in Chile.
@roryo13862 жыл бұрын
@@dwmcever I have bonded pair ADSL @ 60Mbps lol. Tough life in the boonies of VT
@jhill48742 жыл бұрын
Comcast refuses to extend their network 6 miles down the road to where I live. Classic. They want all the benefits of being a utility, but none of the responsibilities.
@jond15362 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more, Concast took six months to fix THEIR problem, it is called "Pull Out" when the temperature of the cable drops to a certain level the copper part of the cable would shrink,. pulling out of the connector and lose the connection , and when it heated up it would return. ConCast had to bring in a Tech from another state to figure it out. I told them when the temp drops below freezing the connection would be lost. Of course I am just a dumb customer and don't know $h!T. Concast cost 79.00 a month and would occasionally send the magic bullet to kill my modem to get me to rent. "F" that I would just do without until my OWN modem would show up. so StarLink is GREAT and I will keep it as long as i can. Go Elon Musk
@jhill48742 жыл бұрын
@@jond1536 When I worked for a large network equipment company, I provided 24 hours customer support. The company wanted me to have network connectivity, so they provided ISDN into the company server, which was in the next county. The phone company changed our area code and the ISDN went down. It was one of the things I supported with the customers, but I had to talk to the company techs to fix it. When I called in I told what the problem was, but, no, we had to go through the entire "you are stupid, I am the expert" trouble shooting schtick. After over an hour of trouble shooting you know what the tech found? The area code changed. 😶
@michaelterrell2 жыл бұрын
Then start your own company that only serves totally unprofitable installs. They have to operate under a franchise, so that six miles may also be outside of their franchised service area. I worked in Cable TV engineering back in the '80s. the laws and permits required at least 20 homes per mile to even approach payback before the physical plant had to be replaced or severely upgraded. Do you think people who live in serviceable areas should pay a much higher rate, just for you to get service?
@stitchfinger76782 жыл бұрын
@@michaelterrell Except they're the ones that campaigned for nobody else to serve the area the OP is in Comcast does nothing but monopolize. They can't chase out the competition and then complain about franchising and service areas, its literally their fault.
@michaelterrell2 жыл бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678 No one else wants to build in someone else's franchise area. They have little hope of ever paying off the construction and operating costs, let alone making a profit. It isn't a monopoly, it is just basic economics.
@Waitwhat4692 жыл бұрын
The multiple constellations is exactly why this should have been a open standard so others can build satellites to fit into the constellation
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
This I would like. An International collaboration so there could be one amazing constellation with as free and open access as possible. Though that's a pipe dream :(
@lescarneiro2 жыл бұрын
This idea unfortunately is unfeasible under capitalism.
@wikingagresor2 жыл бұрын
@@lescarneiro it is not because of capitalism, but because of geopolitics.
@CoolMan-ig1ol2 жыл бұрын
@@lescarneiro No. We have internet across the world because of a similar collaboration.
@prioris555552 жыл бұрын
on paper it's great. in reality there would be long delays and political problems free and open isn't popular with political establishments
@Recovering_Californian2 жыл бұрын
Love my Starlink. Despite some of it's flaws it's a game changer for folks who don't have access to high speed internet. I live in a rural area. My local provider is still on copper wire DSL. Slow AF! They have no plans on updating....ever. There just isn't the customer base to support fiber out where I am at.
@soulssong2u2 жыл бұрын
I am puzzled by those who already have options for high speed internet like cable, fiber Optic, etc, why they thought Starlink would be a better option for them. It was clear from the start this service was meant for those who don't have those other options. It was a game changer for me as well. We went from having to use satellite Tv to now streaming tv full time at about half the price.
@johnnyboogalo48972 жыл бұрын
This is who it should be for.I don't know why city people who got acess to optic fiber and all that are getting this all they doing is clogging up the wait times.Maybe they have a tesla and are an elon musk fanboy/girl but yeah starlink should be for us rural folk who have to deal with shit datacapped services.I love my starlink no more waiting hours download 20gb ffs lol
@vincentthemasterofshadows57432 жыл бұрын
I don't think your local provider is worse than mine.
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyboogalo4897 Agreed, I don't understand why people in metro areas were even offered the service on initial release.
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
I picked up Starlink because we couldn't even get DSL, only dial-up or "rural wireless" that costs $85/month for a 3MB/s download and 0.3MB/s upload speed.
@DaPanda192 жыл бұрын
I would say that sharing your personal knowledge and experience is in no way being negative you're just sharing your thoughts on the product, but when it comes to your thoughts on Elon musk I couldn't agree more ("somewhere in the middle")
@SeraphX22 жыл бұрын
Agreed it's somewhere in the middle. The guy has some crazy ideas, but those crazy ideas have brought about some of the cheapest rocket launches the world has known since the beginning of the space industry. Without him, there wouldn't be a way to get Americans to the ISS (because there was no replacement for the Shuttle) and instead we'd be shoveling Russia a shit ton of money for no reason. And sure, his class 3 auto-drive is far behind (Mercedes-Benz even beat him to the punch), he still kick-started the EV industry. I highly doubt any major brand would have been on top of EV "by 2030" if it wasn't for Musk. Why re-invent the system when you don't have to and spend tons of money on R&D. It's not like EV is new, but no one bothered to figure out how to make it more efficient. I know battery tech requires a lot of new MFG that wasn't available then, but maybe if the big guys had all been throwing their money into the pot for the last 50 years, we would have been a lot further along. And even some of his more outrageous stuff like the Boring Company (I know that's not the company to make the new hiway, but it's part of it), it's not like he was the only one in that space. There were plenty of other companies that were thinking of the same idea and trying to make something similar happen. But not all business ventures are successful. All major investors, inventors, business people have to try stuff to see if it will stick. Thinking every idea should pan out and then knocking people when it doesn't means you're just an idiot who doesn't understand the concept of invention and that failures are bound to happen before a successful venture. And Musk is not an idiot. He pioneered online payment systems. He works on the floor with people at SpaceX helping solve problems. He's not just a figurehead at the front of a company. People just don't like success is the problem.
@nekdo_kavc2 жыл бұрын
Seeing some good discussion on KZbin is so refreshing. My take on Musk is overall positive and just like any human ever, he is deeply flawed.
@bluesquadron5932 жыл бұрын
@@SeraphX2 Sorry but you are wrong on many many ways. You are citing the Musk highlight chart. He does not have the cheapest launch. He has exactly the same numbers as the others. Elon chronically overpromising and 99% under delivering. His only saving grace is that sometimes he delivers something.
@BeefIngot2 жыл бұрын
How can anyone be in the middle. Hes like a typical billionaire asshole who underpays workers, spreads misinformation, acts like a petulant child, rips off taxpayers the list goes on and on. Hes objectively worse than many of the richest western billionaires.
@silverclouds37252 жыл бұрын
I used to think Musk was cool, but then when I found out that he was onboard with Gates in saying we should fear A.I., I wondered why. And then I heard him speak on it at some length... he was telling us to fear A.I. because that's one of his ways to convince people to get his Neuralink set-up. Classic Hegelian Dialectic. Just another pawn set in place for his handlers to take over the world. There is much about his story that doesn't match with the facts - I mean, he didn't start Tesla, he basically took it over from the Engineers who started it who had already produced their first model...
@pearcomputers25422 жыл бұрын
8:38 In Germany those 50 Watts cost currently more like $ 13.60 a month.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
😵
@altosack2 жыл бұрын
…as it should! We subsidize many commodities by not paying externalities; that practice will eventually bite us, both with direct effects and with standard practices and expectations ill-tuned.
@grahameida71632 жыл бұрын
you need to plug those nuclear power stations back in pronto
@Teekeks2 жыл бұрын
@@grahameida7163 if you dont subsidize most of the costs from nuclear like most countries do, nuclear is actually a terribly expensive energy source. Way cheaper to further build out the renewable market share.
@madssrensen12162 жыл бұрын
That's peanuts compared to the $20.4 a month in Denmark.
@Zenkai762 жыл бұрын
For us rural users starlink has been awesome. I was overpaying for DSL that only gave me 12/1 I have my starlink v2 kit for 2 months now. I wish it had came with an Ethernet adapter as I have a high quality router but other than that, 0 complaints. Hardly ever have issues with it. The 110 a month is totally worth the price just to give the finger to ATT DSL.
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
I couldn't even get DSL... Starlink brought me decent net again.
@javitronix0142 жыл бұрын
The tittle made me expect red shirt Jeff with an angle grinder and a Starlink satellite in the backyard
@mme7252 жыл бұрын
That makes me imagine Red Shirt Jeff cutting the dish into an actual star shape ⭐
@jyvben15202 жыл бұрын
or rsj using an extra size machine gun shooting the satellites out of the sky
@AaronStarkLinux2 жыл бұрын
This service is for specific cases for sure, not for everyone. It won't be competitive in my country Spain, where I pay 35€/month for 300Mbps fiber connection, 1Gbps already costs only 45€/month and I don't have to pay for hardware or installations... But for other cases it will be necessary and justified.
@SodaWithoutSparkles2 жыл бұрын
I dont think it would be competitive in my area too, where 2 * 1000 Mbps (2 lanes each 1000 Mbps, you _could_ combine them to make 2000 Mbps) connection with fiber-to-your-house plan only cost about 22 USD a month, and you can often spend some time to chat with the sales to get a free installation and a free router (which you could still use even if the plan ended).
@JamesHodgson012 жыл бұрын
If you are in the city... rural residents have awful internet and rely on Next or Movistar for WISP at a max speed of 15/2. The latency and jitter is awful as well, we pay €35 for that connection. Starlink will definitely be competitive for rural areas, whenever they actually launch in Spain. I know they say it's in limited areas right now but those limited areas are right outside large cities (Madrid, Valencia, Barcelona and thats it) and nowhere near the South of Spain unfortunately. I remember the Spanish government talking about getting more people to move to rural areas in Spain, even going as far as saying EVERY rural area will be connected with fiber by 2025, what a joke!
@Youchubeswindon2 жыл бұрын
Hey I get it, and I am the same as you, £25 for 250mbs in the city. However my parents, at the wrong end of the copper line in the countryside (2 miles from a major small town, but 11 miles from where the copper starts at another town) get 4-5mbs ADSL. Even with the backbone provider getting rid of POTS with fibre to the exchange doesn't matter. A third party government funded supplier just installed a new fiber line down the road, but that is locked to the installer till 2030 at £120pcm for 30-50mbs max. Starlink is more affordable than many think.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
@@Youchubeswindon Their situation is similar to ours, sadly. For our area, Starlink has been the best solution by far! 👍🏼😎✌🏼
@PineappleForFun2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesHodgson01 starlink, like all satellite internet services, has terrible latency. They do some things to help but it's a fundamental problem that your data has to go up, down, routed around a bit, back up and back down. Even in it's best case numbers starlink is 4 times higher ping times then my service at home. There are some problems to rural broadband that just don't have technical solutions and require build out. This is one of them.
@scottrobinson46112 жыл бұрын
I'm an astronomer early in my career, academics in my field are already pretty pissed off with starlink. As for removing those starlink streaks, that's only really useful for imaging, which isn't all that common for real astronomers. Very few of us get by just looking at pictures of things nowadays. Most of us use big telescopes to gather numerical data. If a starlink satellite leaves a streak in one of our frames, we're just going to discard that frame. Removing them with some sort of AI tool would affect the legitimacy of the data, which makes it unsuitable for scientific studies.
@k.chriscaldwell41412 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, Starlink is unsustainable. After it goes down the satellites will fall out of the sky.
@whatilearnttoday52952 жыл бұрын
> we're just going to discard that frame. Good luck when it's every frame.
@PeterJames1432 жыл бұрын
honestly it's an incredible act to fill the sky with 30,000 satellites. incredible in a good way and also in a bad way.
@jimbo322342 жыл бұрын
Sorry but I really can't believe that if you do the calculations. The area of the sky a telescope looks at is tiny, imagine looking through a pen lid at arms length at the sky. 64000 satellites sounds like a lot, but not when they are in orbit and spread around the globe. You stand more chance of winning the lottery than a satellite crossing your field of view. A lot of the images you see published of the satellites are either taken just after launch before they reach their parking orbit, or they actively seek them out.
@ryzkyjaeger072 жыл бұрын
Finally an astronomer that's a realist
@imagesh12 жыл бұрын
In rural Eastern Colorado I have a ranch that is remote from my home in Colorado Springs. The ranch is isolated from cell phone service, and growing up out there we only could get a couple TV stations with a 50' tall antenna. Right now I know the temperature, and multiple security cameras tell me things are okay during a large snowstorm on-going. Starlink is the reason I have that confidence. I went from the phone companies 4 mb/sec down, .8 mb/sec up DSL to the high Starlink numbers everyone reports. in 2-5 years the local power company is promising fiber, but until then, I thank Elon every single day.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
👍🏼 Same here, brother! 👍🏼😎✌🏼
@janeblogs3242 жыл бұрын
But what's the current up/down/ping?
@soulssong2u2 жыл бұрын
We live in the northern front range foothills in CO where there is no cell phone service (yet..they started running line and stopped last year, supposed to finish this year..we'll see....) and no tv unless you use Satellite tv service. We were lucky to get 10 Mbps download and 2.5 up at $109/month until Starlink came along. We've been using it almost a year now. At first it dropped pretty often but now has been very reliable. We ditched satellite tv and have been full out streaming tv using starlink and youtube tv for about half the price of what we were paying before to watch tv. It doesn't hurt my feelings that people who already have other options for high speed internet are dropping SL though. It wasn't meant for them to begin with.
@imagesh12 жыл бұрын
Sorry, didn't see the question about the ping... it's from 24 to 80, averaging about 45. Am I a gammer? No, but I'm often triggering the remote security cameras pan/tilt/zoom and there's no discernable lag. I absolutely echo Soulsoung2u's comments. If you're setting in an area with Xfinity or similar, certainly that's your best bet. We were in the same boat, with no reliable options for internet beyond the Consolidated Communications DSL I mentioned. Since I was a child, TV reception was only on a tall mast via antenna, and only a handful of channels at that. Currently, Starlink has no data caps, which also separates it from the Geo satellite providers. Uptime has been phenomenal, only out seconds per day (if that) and usually in the dead of night/early AM.
@c1ph3rpunk2 жыл бұрын
Starlink is an excellent example of how it’s often easier to design a technology than to operationalize it. I don’t think anyone there thought ahead to actually deploying and operating an ISP.
@kaiky18072 жыл бұрын
@surfer300ZX they din't "stole your money" if you want it back, all you have to do is ask.
@subverter1.1882 жыл бұрын
First generation is always filled with issues
@somerandompersonidk22722 жыл бұрын
@@subverter1.188 And yet concurrently it is a really bad business model. You have to constantly replace every satellite as they are naturally going to die, whilst it also clutters up leo. But yeah, defend it because "Musk is the saviour".
@angrymokyuu94752 жыл бұрын
This is Musk's modus operandi. It's just a lot more obvious here because in most cases he's been able to scale back his promises or stall for time, which is a lot harder to do when you're spending hundreds of millions just to keep your same capabilities.
@xXKisskerXx2 жыл бұрын
every big invention musk backs (not designs, no he is not that clever) and promotes is a failure. Tesla Truck, Hyperloop, etc. The only one with a mediocre amount of success is the SpaceX rocketry, and they couldn't do it without basically hiring and learning from literally every other space agency. (also they failed to get our transports, so only focus on going to orbit right now) It's just greed. Simply greed. Musk wants your money, and has a silver tongue to tell you about 'this brand new invention' - which most were already thought of and planned before he was even born, and died when reality kicked in that it would be impossible with current materials and technology.
@shaneintegra2 жыл бұрын
My mom lives in a cabin in the woods with no cell phone service and got starlink. Her previous internet was around 3mbps at best. With starlink she gets over 100mbps at most times paired with a WiFi 6 mesh network and it has absolutely made a huge impact over there. I don't personally use starlink but I hope he's successful
@RickSlone2 жыл бұрын
I installed my v2 Starlink yesterday. Took me from 5mb dsl to 150mb. Ordered February 6 2021, installed February 1,2022. Used a tp link wifi bridge to connect to my ethernet. Worked like a charm.
@Cthulhu0132 жыл бұрын
That equipment and service won't be worth anything when the project goes bankrupt.
@hycron12342 жыл бұрын
@@Cthulhu013 - Well if he can get starship off the ground, that might not come to pass. 🤔
@JBoy340a2 жыл бұрын
Congrats!!
@joansparky44392 жыл бұрын
@@Cthulhu013 why would it go bankrupt? So far there is plenty people lined up to take up service so they'll stay afloat. Once Starship flies the deployment of gen2 sats with laserlinks will just speed up and create an even bigger market with much more customers.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
@@Cthulhu013 🤣 You're confusing it with the old Iridium satellite service! And even that got refinanced and operates now! Rather dismissive, I believe. 🤷🏻♂️
@michelsavoie69712 жыл бұрын
I went from 1.5 mbps to between 150 and 200 mbps with Starlink. I ordered in September 2021 and received it December 23 2021. I have the round Dishy. It's doing well in the snow. I can now watch KZbin in HD, I used to watch it in the lowest quality.
@hewhobringsthenight99072 жыл бұрын
i used to have 512 kbps (not KB/s) but my isp has some kind of caching with youtube so it used to work at 100MB/s. weird internet i had
@grantleyhughes2 жыл бұрын
I live on a large pontoon houseboat in Mannum South Australia. I'm right on the end of 4GX coverage, and over Summer with all the river visitors and heat, was getting under 7 and often under 3 mbps. Starlink, in my case, is a revelation, constantly over 200 and often 300 mbps. The dish sits unobstructed on the top roof on the boat. High winds, rainstorms and extreme heat have not affected performance of the system. Our optical fibre NBN is reasonable, but not here and useless for a boat. Best part was it arriving only a months after ordering it. One afternoon there were outages for 40 mins that affected buffering slightly, else it's incredibly. Current speedtest was 324 with 29 latency.
@Sithhy2 жыл бұрын
29ms latency on satellite internet? That's really good. I use ADSL (soon to be upgraded) & I get 30-35ms ping, even to relatively close network servers in my country
@3535gt2 жыл бұрын
Once more people start using Starlink around you, do you think your speeds will slow?
@grantleyhughes2 жыл бұрын
@@3535gt I don't. Very rural in an older population. Plus the additional satellites on a regular launch schedule should keep it reliable. Worth the money.
@kurothot22032 жыл бұрын
I have to wonder what costs more? Launching satellites into space or digging trenches and laying cables.
@roseroserose5882 жыл бұрын
hint: if sattelites were cheaper and easier we would've been doing it already 😓 Sattelite internet is cool, don't get me wrong, and it can provide service to incredibly remote regions, but at the end of the day it will always be cheaper to dig a hole in the ground than send thousands of tiny computers into space and keep them there
@DaniilGentili2 жыл бұрын
The main problem on land is bureaucracy :)
@jimbo-dev2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it is better to build networks on the ground. Satellite tech has use case, but we can build a lot more cheaply on the ground. For example better utilization of frequencies. And with dish antennas on the ground it is possible to add more cell towers without physical wiring (it only needs power), on rural areas this can greatly improve speeds. And the cell operators can join their networks, for example a network called "Yhteisverkko" in Finland has operated for years now in the rural areas of the country and the idea is that customer of either wireless service provider can use the network of either provider but both providers are still competitors on the dense populated areas. Partial reason for this collaboration is the strict coverage requirements of LTE and 5G licences
@grahameida71632 жыл бұрын
I think it depends on how many people are going to be on the end of the fibre and land rights... one satellite can cover many miles below it, and the starlink satellites are pretty cheap in space terms (I think about $100K) . So economically viable for satellites where one 50 mile wire is only used my one house.
@strickter2 жыл бұрын
The trenches would cost far more per person. And with how cable companies currently do it the cost is normally passed on to the owner which is often well beyond what a typical home owner is willing to pay. There's a new method of getting space junk into the air that's likely to bring down the cost of launching these satellites in the future as well. It just spins the payload in a donut real fast and literally hurl them into space
@jessedaly78472 жыл бұрын
I think the most important aspect about starlink at least in the US is that it provides viable competition in markets which until now have been monopolized by the likes of comcast or century link, both of whom are notorious for terrible service at ever increasing costs in their little monopolized markets. Those days are over now.
@JBoy340a2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. When I visit relatives in little towns in the upper midwest I am shocked at how bad their service is. 4 Mbps down, 0.5 Mbps up is a good day. I sometimes put my laptop in the car and drive to the lake where I can get a good 5G signal to make conference calls.
@scottstewart91542 жыл бұрын
agree but I wouldn't be surprised if Comcast,ATT, Verizon all make deals with Starlink to pay them to get internet to their cell towers, and wouldn't be surprised if that agreement was that Starlink won't be available to other customers in those tower vicinits
@jessedaly78472 жыл бұрын
@@scottstewart9154 I like the way you think, but they would have to compensate starlink for decades of missed payments from all their potential customers in those neighborhoods, and even then Musk would have to approve the bribe.
@bigchris36162 жыл бұрын
Well said
@AustinHollingerOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@JBoy340a places that are legitimately rural normally don't even have access to anything more than ridiculous DSL or even more ridiculous expensive satellite Internet. That is changing because rural electric cooperatives are running fiber in the areas that don't yet have it excluding cities
@tannerb552 жыл бұрын
I didn’t watch the whole video but I’ll tell you it’s changed our life. My wife works from home and it’s the best damn thing I’ve ever spent my money on. 200 mbps no caps idk what else to say don’t buy it if you plan on selling. Might help keep ppl from price gouging other people who need it I guess.
@ozymatic32912 жыл бұрын
Starling was my only option for faster internet. Yes it costs more, uses more power, has clunky hardware. But I have no alternative, grateful to have useable internet. The only ISP considering rural dwellers.
@JBoy340a2 жыл бұрын
You sound like the original target market. Glad it is working for you.
@AmstradExin2 жыл бұрын
Not really. It's all a scam and you've been scammed. It should be possible for ....like a community to receive funding to provide themselves with a Satellite-powered local network. This is the norm here in Germany.
@Vaasref2 жыл бұрын
@@AmstradExin If you get the service and the price is fair enough for you then it cannot be a scam.
@auslanderalex54642 жыл бұрын
@@AmstradExin Rural Germany is hardly rural by other countries standards. The fact that a signal satellite can be shared by neighbours is evidence of this. There are farming areas in the USA, Australia and South Africa (Where I live) where you would need to travel for an hour at 100 km/h before you reach your neighbour's house. Also, not everyone is blessed with a government that can afford (in my case) or is willing (USA) to subsidise a community satellite dish.
@chironchangnoi2 жыл бұрын
That's patently false, there are already at least two other satellite internet providers with comparable speeds, latency and price without $500 initial equipment investment with nearly universal coverage.
@sufficetosay2 жыл бұрын
Starlink has been great for me. It replaced DSL and performs way better at several times the download speed I was used to. Now I can stream 1080p to 4k....
@mikethetoolman87762 жыл бұрын
same working great exceeds my expectations and the daughters Y is great also
@svenp65042 жыл бұрын
Same here. I expected a lot more instability and outages given that the constellation was just getting to be functional but it's been quite reliable. I'm at the far end of DSLs range so it was slow and not very reliable. Very happy.
@aquilegus2 жыл бұрын
depends on your use and your location: too many breaks for streaming use in France currently, and download speeds have dropped dramatically
@christins.14812 жыл бұрын
@@aquilegus Pretty good where I live. Surprisingly is reverse for me when it never was before. Our friend in town has Starlink and gets a download of 160 Mbps. We live out in the rural area and get 260 Mbps. The concept of this system was for people out in rural areas and not for people living out in the suburbs, our friend. It honestly works as it was intended to. I do imagine being throttled and data caps later on for us when this gets more customers, but considering we were getting dial up speeds on our previous plans when we didn't exceed our 10GB and weren't supposed to be throttled while paying $160 a month. We'll take the $100 a month with caps if we can at least get Netflix speeds. Even with AT&T with the new system they had that wasn't U Verse. We first were given a special deal for 800 GB for $20 a month. Tech guy came out here to install the equipment and couldn't because our tower wasn't even ready when AT&T told us it was. That tower gave us dial-up speeds for a a year before that program was actually available to us, but because we didn't catch their deal when it was first offered we ended up paying $40 for 400 GB. Was excited when it was installed, but then got dial-up speeds yet again and no connection for days. Not hours, days. We gave up on in two winters ago because a freeze destroyed their tower and they weren't reimbursing us for any of this. The idea of Starlink was for people out in rural areas, not suburban areas. It's working as intended.
@christins.14812 жыл бұрын
I live in Louisiana and my Dad is currently living in Thailand. He was living in Australia before. Haven't seen my Dad in person in over 10 years and have been contacting him through Skype and before Skype became popular. With Starlink, I finally got to Skype my Dad without failed connection.
@jeffreyparsons53092 жыл бұрын
We moved to a rural acreage and bought into the 4g lte promises after being on fiber in the city, the service was terrible to say the least without even getting the promised 1/6th of the speeds 90 percent of the time. We ordered starlink late in the beta, received it 3 months later and it has been day and night. I was skeptical of all things musk but have to say after 5 months am presently surprised as the performance is exceeding the promised average performance the company advertises
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
Same situation here. I even had a $750 amplified, directional LTE antenna mounted on a pole 40 feet in the air a few years back. On a good day, I'm lucky to get 20MB/s with the expensive antenna (it was 1-3 MB/s before the antenna), but I leave it up because I don't drop/miss calls now. Starlink, though, has made the Internet usable again. Now I get ~200MB/s down, and 8-15MB/s up with a ~30ms ping.
@Rob22 жыл бұрын
The main problem with Starlink coverage is that they promised to launch satellites with links between them, then launched 1000 satellites without that feature. So now for every user there has to be a Starlink uplink station in the same coverage area. That severely limits the usefulness of the entire system, as it means there is no coverage in remote areas of the world. Which exactly is the area where such a system would be useful.
@MiguelRuiz-vp1hu2 жыл бұрын
This is a temporary problem. All new launches are with laser link and they have over 200 up. Soon they will be activated according to Elon. Remote regions don't even have approval yet and countries like South Africa are estimated to be 2023 for approval.
@basarayam2 жыл бұрын
Luckily I live off-grid with solar in a warm climate so no pesky power bill. Starlink works very well here in Australia. Very happy customer.
@indyalx2 жыл бұрын
I live in the middle of almost nowhere in california. Starlink has been a massive boon for me too. My only other option was inconsistent DSL with below 20mbps speeds.
@indyalx2 жыл бұрын
@@gags730 "I get 1gbps down, but I got starlink because I hate Comcast customer service" smh
@shippo722 жыл бұрын
@@gags730 Haha, you think people can get "affordable" internet if they live in a city? Just one block is the difference between abject poor service and mediocre service. Companies also section off cities between themselves, so they don't have to compete with each other (it's illegal, but they still do it). So in most scenarios, you only have access to one broadband provider, and the only other internet options are 4G/5G or DSL. Granted, if you live in an apartment, you won't be able to use Starlink anyway.
@downsouth59712 жыл бұрын
@@gags730 Is SMH cool talk??
@cyberpleb24722 жыл бұрын
I live in a rural part of central British Columbia, Canada. There is snow on the ground for seven month of the year and we get over four feet of snow accumulation each winter. I've been on the waiting list for seven months now and I am expecting service in April. I will need to build a tower for the dish to clear the trees... so this is a big investment. I'm rather nervous, to be honest.
@ProfessorFate2 жыл бұрын
Like some others here, I put down $100 for starlink in feb 2021 with a projected (and missed,) summer 21 delivery. By fall of 21, the tmobile 5g home terminal was available and I put it in. Typically does 300 mbs down, 20 mbs up, 21 ms latency for $50/ month with $0 terminal fee. Built in router is 6g. After a few months testing, I cancelled my starlink reservation. At least, the refund of the $100 was prompt. The tmo terminal continues to provide excellent service and I can typically watch movies off the internet providers and never see a “buffering” delay. The terminal is just sitting in a window sill linked to a cell site 2.8 miles away running on the N 41 band.
@candyczar2 жыл бұрын
The local EMC ran fiber. Went from 12/3 LTE to Gigabit both ways. Absolutely glorious!
@alexhampshire24212 жыл бұрын
There is fiber service no more than a mile from my house and cable at the end of my road. in short, i hate the ISPs in my area lol also i wish ISPs would stop over reporting to the FCC on what they cover
@timramich2 жыл бұрын
@@alexhampshire2421 That's what happens when the FCC lets them do their own reports, instead of having a third and neutral party do them. But what are they gonna do, go around knocking on rural doors asking people their internet speed? If people had a clue about their speed then maybe they could work it into the census.
@nealramsey44392 жыл бұрын
I'm currently installing 1G up and down here in WV. We had terrible speeds before but Frontier is installing fiber to the home now. The customers love it and we are installing it as fast as possible.
@JosephFrietze2 жыл бұрын
I was looking forward to Star Link before out electric company started doing the same thing. I got the call yesterday to set up my account. In home install should be within 10 weeks. 1 Gig up and down for $99/month. No taxes or fees. No equipment rentals. No install charges. No contracts.
@idofps97092 жыл бұрын
Yeah, parents house(where i grew up) got fiber through our electricity provider. 25Mbps for 50 or 75 for gigabit lmao. I dont understand the speeds tho i assume most people here in backwoods of madison county, people are fine with 25. Its nice, never had internet growing up
@louishermann76762 жыл бұрын
One point on the delays that went unmentioned from someone who primarily follows SpaceX's development: The new Starlink sats are beefier and have laser linkups which should increase bandwidth significantly, BUT the extra mass makes the 100T to LEO of Starship almost mandatory for these satellites to be deployed economically. Once Starship is capable of reaching orbit reliably and also either A) They manage to land both stages or B) They manage to significantly increase the speed of raptor engine production as that is currently their biggest production bottleneck, a significant number of newer sats should go up in short order. Basically I think these delays hang on the development of Starship and the Raptors. EDIT: "Starship and the Raptors" might be a cool band name.
@Pete8562 жыл бұрын
Starship is another example of "Elon time". A year ago it looked like they were making great progress and an orbital flight would happen before the year was out, in the middle of the year Elon said they were only a couple of months away. They have built a lot of ground support equipment and done a few tests on the booster, but they are still months away from an orbital test, and I suspect years from regular starship flights.
@user2C472 жыл бұрын
@@Pete856 Aren't they still waiting on government approval?
@Pete8562 жыл бұрын
@@user2C47 Yes, they still don't have FAA approval yet, but that's not currently holding them up.
@SpaceRanger1872 жыл бұрын
yall voted for all of this..so hush..This is nothing just wait only going to get worse
@areyoujelton2 жыл бұрын
@@Pete856 Elon is a vaporware salesman. Look at his “hyper loop” 😂
@DClairRobinson2 жыл бұрын
Just got ours last week and it is truly another whole level for us. This kind of fantastic internet is something we have NEVER had access to, and I for one am much more than pleased with the service and I'm ok with the price.
@JBoy340a2 жыл бұрын
For me, the connector is idiotic. We have been CAT 6 cables outside for decades. Why create such a strange connection?
@QualityDoggo2 жыл бұрын
money
@TqSNv9R0iG5Ckxew2 жыл бұрын
It's because of the wattage requirements
@kpb02 жыл бұрын
@@TqSNv9R0iG5Ckxew it may make sense, because the most powerful PoE++ standard is rated at 71 W max.
@schlix1012 жыл бұрын
Totally agree... I was seriously considering a star-link connection, once it would become available where I am. But that option just went out the window! I am NOT going to entertain a proprietary solution! That is just idiotic!
@eDoc20202 жыл бұрын
@@TqSNv9R0iG5Ckxew If it's really a wattage issue and the cable itself is standard, a user-friendly company could release their own connectors, maybe with punch-down blocks.
@MrRecorder12 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think this is just Silicon valley in a nutshell: "dumb down" and add "custom solutions" to your product so that nobody has the right tools to fix it so that gullible people (or in the future, the entire market) have/has no choice but conform and accept your ridiculous standards. That is when you jack up the prices again by a factor of 10 and crush your competition (people who want to make your "custom solutions" more accessible) with the money you already have. Sounds like the Apple-playbook to me!
@blakedavis61932 жыл бұрын
Before getting to the bottom of your paragraph I kept thinking, nah that just sounds like an Apple thing lol
@Youchubeswindon2 жыл бұрын
@sp0777iXdlMLalN0dsXxlMlNdsM0jdsj Tesla's are not the least repairable cars, when fixing shit. They do have the same problem as other manufacturers electric vehicles in the software and control systems because there hasn't been enough time to leak the knowledge to third parties, and even when that happens it will require super detailed levels of knowledge to fix those sorts of issues. They do have a parts supply problem which hurts the local grease monkey garage and the home repairer, because Tesla have only been building cars for a short period of time, can't build enough actually finished cars to meet demand, let alone parts supply, and want to keep the parts to themselves.
@Youchubeswindon2 жыл бұрын
@@blakedavis6193 I think the 'Apple' lack of repair thing was very much a Jonny Ive thing in design (thin-ness) forcing a lack of reparability. With the new devices and whilst they still solder on memory and storage, which causes upgrade issues although this is offset because of the way the new systems use the RAM and HDD as almost interchangeable, and so lack of compatibility in upgrades would force issues, the devices (when parts are available) are becoming much easier to repair, not Framework level, but getting there. Silicon Valley has done the Juicero stupid hardware phase, and is moving more to a 'green' viewpoint and as such reparability and Open Source is being given a higher priority.
@hubertnnn2 жыл бұрын
@@Youchubeswindon Dude, electric engine exists for over 50 years now, and its the simplest engine possible. There is no knowledge to leak. Literally every university student on IT or electronics has to make an electric vehicle as one of their projects. The only thing that is different is scale and law.
@Youchubeswindon2 жыл бұрын
@@hubertnnn That's why I was not talking about the motor. The main issue in fixing a Tesla is the individual battery management systems and the software that drives it, even if you have the parts. Good luck fucking about with either. Body work, drive trains, brakes, if you got the parts, easy easy well understood fixes. The issue is parts availability, if you are not trying to fix the battery or its ecu or the infotainment, and you have parts, the cars are easy to fix. Which is what I was responding to the OP about. Please don't try and twist what I was talking about.
@scottmoseley51222 жыл бұрын
Nice report I'm Living in the Philippines ... My home and business fiber internet has been down nearly 3 months after a typhoon knocked out lines. Would so love to have had a starlink system. I understand they will be opening here soon.
@Juttutin2 жыл бұрын
There's a small bunch of people who have used alternative Ethernet power injectors and/or connected their V1 Dishy directly to their existing router wan ports. That's gonna be harder with V2. Really, they need two kits, one super simple, and one for folks who like to do their own networking with (e.g.) an AC-or-DC power injector, no WiFi router, and some sort of screw-down weatherproof RJ45 adaptor box for the dish. Then they could leave it to the installer to buy the right length and grade of dish cable, so it'd probably end up cheaper to produce, and make a lot of people happy.
@robertoaguiar62302 жыл бұрын
Soon some chinese company will make a dumb-proof 5$ dongle with starlink port on one side and ethernet on the other and sell it on amazon.
@garysheppard40282 жыл бұрын
Friends of ours have Starlink installed at their property in the Hunter Valley near Sydney. I didn't know it had hit Australia yet but apparently is has and they reckon it's great. They get about 150MB/S download which is plenty for everything they do and they pay about 100 bucks a month I think they said. Compared to what they had before (being rural, they could only get Skymuster satellite) Starlink is miles ahead on both speed and cost.
@traceyearl94682 жыл бұрын
I have recently installed Starlink because l too could only have skymuster which was rubbish and the Starlink dish is way smaller we installed Starlink ourselves it has been a absolute game changer but we are paying 140 a month for Starlink it’s worth it ,less the headaches from our nonexistent providers thanks Liberals and Rupert Merdoc😝
@traceyearl94682 жыл бұрын
Ps we are only 4 kilometres from town go figure?
@kamara47002 жыл бұрын
I lived in a major city. Had great internet. Moved to rural and tried all 3 internet options. What a shit show. Got starlink and it's like being back in the city. I can facetime, download, youtube etc. Only a slight delay sometimes. I don't think you really know who Starlink is actually for. I waste 4 - 8 bucks a month in electricity to have city internet. Sign me the fuck up.
@martini3802 жыл бұрын
When starlink was launched at my location there was ongoing construction on FTTH infrastructure. It was a nobrainer to choose a 100€ deposit for a fiber connection over 500€ for starlink. Now we have both, a few lights in the sky and fibre connections to most houses
@krazyr8erfan2 жыл бұрын
Glad you can get fiber, they refuse to bring it to many. What we get is constant interruption of wireless service with nothing else available at a cost of $100 per month. It cost me $600 to put a tower up to clear tree's so the antenna could be pointed at the transmitting tower direction. Be thankful you can get a wired connection because some of us don't get that choice.
@martini3802 жыл бұрын
@@krazyr8erfan I feel you, used to have a somewhat ok 4G connection with a data cap at 200GB for like 60€ a month as the only dsl provider was the biggest piece of sh*** with 16mbit/s,100GB for the past 30Days(not the Month) and like 40€. They then claimed they could offer 50Mbit/s what excluded us from all government financed programms. I feel like it's just luck and a bunch of waiting.
@scottripley63812 жыл бұрын
Had no idea you were based in STL. I live about 40 miles out in Franklin County and we were able to get on the open beta for our internet. I hear all of your concerns and they're valid. Still so far Starlink is the best option we've found as currently everything available in our area is either slow DSL through ancient rural telephone lines or metered 4G or "old" sattelite. Our speeds and uptime even beat the cable we used to have at a different location we lived about 4 years ago.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Glad you could get it, and I do know for many who have gotten it it's a new lifeline on Internet access. I just hope Starlink can get over these big humps so more people can access the network. Not sure how long it will take to get there.
@DroneTECH6882 жыл бұрын
Viking from Denmark here living in rural area - had 20 down before and in average now 280 - 350 mb /sec and drops out like 10-15 secs in a 12 hours period in average I have it hooked up to my home ax-6000 router and everything runs like a charm ! GREATLY impressive improvement and ladies dont forget that this is internet from space and they plan to free the sat cells to allow free movement in the future !!!! SO REMEMBER TO RESEARCH THE ISSUE BEFORE FLOGGING YOUR OPINION!
@Iam_Dunn2 жыл бұрын
Watching this from Starlink service on the bottom of James Bay, ON CAN. Preordered March of 2021, received Nov 2021. Had my dish up and running within 30 min of getting it. Old speed of my DSL provider 10mbps dl 500kbps ul. Starlink speeds 370 mbps dl 80 - 100 mbps ul. Conclusion, Dunn gleefully throws $129 (CAN) at Elon every month!!
@BrondRando2 жыл бұрын
I got my kit the other day and hadn't been watching to see that the RJ-45 port was removed. I raised hell and they gave me a month credit for my wait until I can actually use it.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
That's nice of them-it seems like one of the bright spots is their support team is very kind and helpful, albeit sometimes it takes a bit of time to get that response.
@BrondRando2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Definitely, guy was great and open to learning. Knew more about coding than networking. I told them my biggest issue is it was essentially a bait and switch that rendered the system useless to me and I received no correspondence from SpaceX telling me they removed it. I had to learn it from Reddit after I already had it. Now I have to wait. Told them routers without wifi is normal. Routers without RJ-45 ports is not a thing. If the website had told me "here are products you may need to order as well" I'd of said "oh, that's stupid but ok send me the port adapter too."
@kaya0512852 жыл бұрын
The amount of power draw is crazy high. My home electricity consumption would go up by 30% and that isn't a typo Begs the question, how good would 4G cellular be if you had a dedicated $500 antenna dish 📡 with a pwoer budget of 100 watts rather than the $5 and 1 watt antenna in a smartphone
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Heh, or if you just positioned the antenna optimally, and didn't have a super cheap little stick antenna (or a flat PCB antenna like most devices have).
@TheAnantaSesa2 жыл бұрын
Worth a try. They do exist. At least back during 3g era they did. Assuming they worked for data too. I was looking into them just for better phone talk service.
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
Not that good. I tried it before Starlink was developed. Dropped about $750 on a directional outdoor antenna with amplifier and indoor antenna. It was better than nothing (no more dropped/missed calls), and did improve DL/UL speeds, but it still relies on getting a decent signal quality from the nearest tower to where your antenna is mounted. You can't "pull radio waves out of the air," 😂 if they aren't already there. Basically, if you stand on your roof and still don't have the bars, the outdoor antenna/amplifier aren't going to help very much. That's a little simplified, but the general idea holds true.
@lemdixon012 жыл бұрын
We have roofs in the UK which don't need replacing. I think they're made of slate or brick over here.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Most of us just stick with asphalt shingles in the midwest-they tend to have good durability with regard to the every-few-year hailstorms we get, and perform well through the rest of the year, while looking decent. They do require replacement every 20-30 years, but it's also a lot cheaper than slate/tile!
@katrinabryce2 жыл бұрын
Slate or tile. They generally need replacing after about 100 years.
@henoch442 жыл бұрын
You also have barely any trees left when comparing to America...
@illya38592 жыл бұрын
Houses in Europe are built to last with solid concrete or brick walls , while houses in America are cheaper wood houses not made last a century or even just many decades.
@Youchubeswindon2 жыл бұрын
@@illya3859 My Mum and Dad's house has a section 275 years old, older than the US! I never understand America's obsession with cheaply built replace every 20 year house building culture. I get things like Tornados and Hurricanes, but even solidly built house's will not get completely devastated by them, and our houses are designed for heavy snow loads, so that argument against them is rubbish as well.
@ShinyTechThings2 жыл бұрын
I pre-ordered the day it was announced but am still waiting. Fun fact I used to work for StarLink back in the 90's it was a independent dialup ISP back then and I'm sure the old owners are kicking themselves for selling the domain name a few decades ago.
@Bigdog17872 жыл бұрын
He would of just picked a different name of it was not for sale. 😅 Probably be called Space X Internet😉
@simonl77842 жыл бұрын
10:00 Kesler syndrome is not 'a reduced concern' its an impossible outcome given the low altitude of the satellites. Kessler syndrome is not caused by collisions per-say it's caused by debris maintaining orbits after a collision. Maintaining an orbit is impossible if it was never sustainable to start with. This is the whole premise of Starlink's orbital safety. **Correction: collisions can put debris in higher orbits and eccentric orbits. see replies below.
@honkhonk80092 жыл бұрын
what if a sattelite collides, and those thousands of small peices end up having a new orbit that go another orbital altitude? Its not far off to say that if its collided a certain way, the orbit of the debris wont be the same.
@wealthelife2 жыл бұрын
A LEO collision will produce a range of debris with differing vectors, so some collusion products will rapidly decay orbit and burn up, but other fragments from an LEO collision will go to eccentric orbits that intersect much higher orbits and therefore produce secondary collisions at higher orbits, and so on. So, a horde of LEO satellites DOES contribute to Kessler syndrome. orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/library/sciencemag-risks-in-space-from-orbiting.pdf Some of the debris from the Cosmos1408 destruction (which was 100 km BELOW starlink constellation) "ejected into higher orbits will have their orbits circularize more slowly, and the majority will re-enter the atmosphere over much longer timeframes - potentially decades, depending on altitude." leolabs-space.medium.com/analysis-of-the-cosmos-1408-breakup-71b32de5641f
@simonl77842 жыл бұрын
@@wealthelife I stand corrected, pushing debris into eccentric orbits will potentially have then cross higher orbits. Thank you.
@kriegtiger2 жыл бұрын
The cable connector looks the way it does because of that double-ring black gasket - that is weather proofing/sealing. The cable plugs in and seals itself so that rain, bugs, etc don't get into it. Is it worth the cost they want for it? Not really, there are more cost friendly ways to weather-seal an RJ-45, but they're designing this product around the lowest common denominator as far as users go; the kind of person that is as dumb as bricks or a box of rocks when it comes to tech, not to fleece people but to make sure that 'stuff just works' when it's time to take it home, turn it on and plug it in. And I will give them credit where it's due, my unit (the 2nd gen rectangle) did exactly that and it has surpassed our old connection well enough that I got rid of my old ISP. These same box of rocks end users are also going to be the ones that only use laptops, tablets, and phones to connect to the internet there, which is why the WiFi only configuration of the 2nd gen antenna makes sense too. I would have REALLY preferred to have the option when I ordered the kit to specify that I **NEEDED** an ethernet jack because of how my house is setup, as it is for the time being I have to use a laptop as a bridge - WiFi is connecting to the Starlink and I have the house router (a ubiquiti ISG3) plugged into the ethernet port on that same laptop. It's ugly, and online gaming functions like XBOX don't like it, but it's temporary and it works for the rest of the house, so I can deal with it.
@chuzzle442 жыл бұрын
This is a great point. As enthusiasts, we tend to hold products to a certain standard, while forgetting that the average user is going to have significantly simpler needs. In that context, these decisions make a lot of sense. I'm still quite disappointed that they went so far though. Being able to simply plug the original dish into any router you want was something I was really looking forward to.
@dannydavis88892 жыл бұрын
I just installed a Starlink and it beats hell out of my old service and has none of the problems he mentions in this video. Downloads on Ping 100 Mb/s; uploads 20, latency 20; latency 45 ms. Installation super simple. Had it up and running in minutes.
@Cthulhu0132 жыл бұрын
Yes and those speeds will not remain constant, especially as more people join the service. There is a lot of power draw. And the monthly service is pretty expensive. This makes it unaffordable for most people. Then consider that every satellite will need to be replaced every few years. The prices will increase, for most people well beyond what they can afford. Ultimately, Musk plans for 40k satellites in orbit. 40k satellites that will fail every few years and need replacement. Not only is that an insane amount of space junk, that will be very costly. I suppose if you have the funds and no other options, maybe that's fine. But it should also make you consider whether or not the project is even viable long-term or whether it will go belly up.
@joansparky44392 жыл бұрын
@@Cthulhu013 more people join = more satellites that go up And unless you download GB of data all the time it will be enough for streaming HD on 3-4 channels under most conditions. PS: a satellite costs a couple 100k and it deorbits at end of life and burns up int he atmosphere.. no junk.
@thompsona106252 жыл бұрын
When this thing first hit beta, I signed up. Here we are about 2 years later and my sisters and brother in law have theirs installed and working and I’m still waiting. I signed up long before they did. My brother in law lives 5 miles away and my closest sister lives 10 miles away. The FedEx guy told my sister that he’s been delivering the hardware to people all over the neighborhood for weeks but I’m still waiting. Pretty frustrating; however, I’m optimistic. We have no good options otherwise as we live 30 miles from the nearest town. Even cell service is poor out here. My family that does have theirs seem to love it so far. :)
@martinrocket14362 жыл бұрын
Serious question: Can we get a video like this “I installed a series of solar powered drectional WiFi towers to bring internet to my cousin”?
@eidrag2 жыл бұрын
using PI array?
@martinrocket14362 жыл бұрын
@@eidrag well. I thought of some tplink cpe or UniFi. But raspbery pis that link their wifis are fine too.
@AmstradExin2 жыл бұрын
Stuff like this exists in some countries already. I would really like a closer look at this.
@kpb02 жыл бұрын
No need for WiFi, there are "air fiber" solutions that can keep stable >1Gbps links over several kilometers. LTT has a video on how he connected his parents house over a lake.
@martinrocket14362 жыл бұрын
@@kpb0 airfiber seems to be a proprietary protocol by ubiquity operating on WiFi frequencies. Interesting. Yes. Would be curious to see a video on that too.
@philcollins21762 жыл бұрын
I waited a year and finally got starlink late December 2021. February 2022 I've been on starlink a month and if I had to do it again I'd wait as long as it takes to get it. If it would of been 2 or 3 years iI would wait. My dsl was 6mbps I have over 100mbps plus with starlink. No other options for me. Patience, unless you can get cable or fiber.
@prometheusp112 жыл бұрын
I work as a travel nurse and have Starlink. I understand your concerns regarding portability but so far it hasn't been an issue at all (I've managed to move and change addresses several times). I had to buy the silly dongle to use my own router, that's completely valid. I actually appreciate the proprietary plug, I mounted my router in a place that could potentially see water intrusion and appreciate it being waterproof. Power consumption wasn't much of an issue either, I just tossed a couple extra panels on my motorhome's roof for when I'm boondocking. Before Starlink I was limited to whatever RV park internet was available (Often worse than your cousin's) or whatever I speeds I got tethered to my cell phone (almost always worse than your cousin's. Not a Musk fanboy but I feel that some good choices were made with the newer version kit. Now if he could just stop trying to turn car ownership into a subscription service.
@allalphazerobeta86432 жыл бұрын
Did you ever not update the address in a timely fashion? And if so what happened?
@prometheusp112 жыл бұрын
@@allalphazerobeta8643 I updated the address a couple times. My last two moves I have not. One of those moves was 2 states over, the other about 400 miles. So far no issues.
@kennytrice79372 жыл бұрын
I’m happy with mine … in my rural area other satellite and cables and phone services only offered 25 mbps over $100 a month with bundles and contracts I don’t need… so in my case starlink is been good for me
@313barrygmail2 жыл бұрын
Visible cell 25 $ unlimited
@kennytrice79372 жыл бұрын
@@313barrygmail if that works for you 👍🏻🤟
@GregInHouston22 жыл бұрын
Very useful information; please keep it up. I looked into StarLink as a solution to a problem. What I got was the positives; I needed the negatives.
@lewishudgens2 жыл бұрын
This is where you "could" have done a real "good" job Jeff, but didn't...
@sixforks65432 жыл бұрын
Holy Moses that first monologue hit deep Mr Geerling. These past few years have been great for you and you deserve every cent, but the one thing I admire above all, is just how damn self aware and humble you are, in addition to the high levels of talent and intelligence you clearly possess. Bravo.
@ZachMeador2 жыл бұрын
Isn't the power usage increase during winter weather unavoidable as it's for defrosting the receiver? 40 additional watts for that task seems pretty decent given that a consumer electric blanket uses 200-400 watts on average.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
You're right! And according to our rural electric power cooperative, our monthly kilowatt usage has increased by 1% or less per month since we added Starlink. No biggie. Compared with gasoline, dirt cheap!
@user2C472 жыл бұрын
What kind of electric blanket uses 400 watts?
@unsettledroell2 жыл бұрын
Your blanket is not on 100% of the time.
@Clark-Mills2 жыл бұрын
Part of the problem is downlink sites for connection to the terrestrial network. If you are in the wop-wops and there's no Starlink basestation that bounces to/from your Starlink user station then you can't use Starlink yet. Once their laser linked satellites are up they can bypass ground-stations except for the gateway downlink stations.
@aquamarinereef74602 жыл бұрын
Starlink is in build process, an most of the owner have fantastic coverage compared to more than two decades struggling with 2G, 3G and 4&5G was never deployed. So power consumption is important but as in other comments here working connectivity is much more important especial if there was no coverage before. Be patient it took forever to have fibre internet in some areas and it will take much shorter to have Starlink coverage everywhere very soon.
@supercheetah7782 жыл бұрын
"...[Musk] is somewhere in the middle for me..." For me too. Nuance seems so difficult for so many people that they can't imagine someone as famous and influential as being nothing more than a superhero or a supervillain.
@stitchfinger76782 жыл бұрын
Teslas still don't have full AI and their windshields explode spontaneously, the hyperloop was a literal immediate failure, the Boring Company makes more money selling toy flamethrowers than actually digging, and this is literally a video about how Starlink isn't working out that great. Even if he isn't a villain, he isn't doing much good either. But he's still very much a villain.
@supercheetah7782 жыл бұрын
@@stitchfinger7678 They actually have some of the worst driving AI in the industry. The difference is that they are the only ones with actual production code. The one thing I will admit to giving him credit for is that he's probably getting a lot of people to buy EVs that probably wouldn't have otherwise with all his antics.
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
Love how many people grabbed Starlink as an alternative for their existing internet when Musks plan was to bring internet to those who have no access at all. Guess Elon should have made a screening process to filter out people who have internet already.
@jackee-is-silent29382 жыл бұрын
Great plan when that Internet is so expensive it prices it out of reach of those who don't have Internet now.
@stitchfinger76782 жыл бұрын
@@jackee-is-silent2938 $300/mo still beats 25k upfront to even get the wire run to your area in the first place. Not that they aren't totally bending you over still, but its better up front for a while.
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
@@jackee-is-silent2938 cheaper than the $12,000 COX wants to charge me, just for hookup.
@StumblingBumblingIdiot2 жыл бұрын
@@jackee-is-silent2938 We pay $99.95 a month right now for internet because we have no way to even get hooked to cable, phone companies said "screw fibre" and wireless 4g/5g is still limited especially if you want to back up data to the "cloud" (hate that term, its a warehouse with hard drives not a stupid floating fluffy thing). We have a theoretical max of about 15mbps down and probably half that up so the Starlink service is the same price we have now, it is just the upfront cost of the equipment that has kept me from ordering.
@ryansuedel92742 жыл бұрын
@@StumblingBumblingIdiot you are most likely already paying rental on the equipment you have. Check your bill and see. Do the math and see how many months it would take to pay for your own equipment. Might be worth it, but everyone's situation is different.
@daviddean40612 жыл бұрын
Excellent summary of you experience and observations. Very helpful!
@colourfulcookie2 жыл бұрын
I liked that you also touched on the downsides of the technology as a whole. It's great that rural areas are getting better internet access, but it's always important to try as see the bigger picture and question if the current way is also the best/only way. In my opinion too many channels don't scrutinise the tech and are just focusing on how it is. So kudos to you for not going that way!
@brucemccreary7692 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the power consumption update and a very good technical review. You're right that power use is a big downside for us off grid folks who have to watch our power use. My Netgear modem ( ethernet only) uses less than 2W. I'd also love to see some measurements of the stray 60 GHz emissions from the dish. No affordable consumer broadband RF meters can measure this (or other mmwaves).
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's something I'd love to explore more someday. I have my new Geerling Engineering channel, and one hope is that between my Dad (RF engineer) and myself (software engineer), we might be able to do some more interesting tests that most other people couldn't do as well ("with our powers combined! and all that jazz...")
@brucemccreary7692 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Thanks, Jeff, I'm a retired, disabled, EE/CS myself. I'm looking forward to following your future work!
@waltergreene24742 жыл бұрын
Complaints aside I've found Starlink to be reliable and fast. You knew going in that you wouldn't get a unit until coverage was established in the stated service address. My biggest beef is one you mentioned concerning power use. Power draw has been improved and has been as low as about 35 Watts but does go as high as 145 watts. I power my system from a solar battery system and routinely turn off starlink when there is low sun and at night. The special connector you discuss for the new smaller dish is for weather proofing. Have you ever seen a weather proof RJ45? An RJ45 is hardly a robust outdoor connector.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
I'm one of the Starlink customers out in the wild, two counties away from Canada, Jeff. And I respect your take on this. For us, Starlink was good to start with and has continued to get more stable and faster since last summer! After years with no good alternatives here, SpaceX Starlink has finally brought us decently fast and reasonably priced internet! (PS: If you're not using your cool 3D original router stand, I'm definitely interested!) 😎✌🏼
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Heh, if you can tell me where you live I could check the cost of shipping!
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling 😀 Wow, nice! I would gladly cover that! Will try to find an email address for you, after ☕ and starting the truck! We have -20° F today in Minnesota.
@growtopiajaw2 жыл бұрын
The title made me think you brought down the whole Starlink network
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
Heh, I might've made a tiny dent last year when I had a default in one of my projects do a speedtest every 5 minutes :O Fixed that and made it default to once an hour. I did practically DDoS my own website though; still seeing an impact, I have 3 Mbps of continuous traffic of people hitting my site with http status checks.
@johnmcginnis52012 жыл бұрын
Signed up in Dec 2020. Was informed then that it would be summer 2021 before service would be available. Then a follow on email said service may not be offered till late 2022. Then first week of February I was notified my preorder was ready to ship. Received it a week ago and it all works. Service has been good so far so I can't complain on that score. I do agree that the should be a bit more industry standard. The only connector that justifies special treatment would be the end that attaches to the dish being in the elements. Everything downstream of that should net std gear.
@the_beefy19862 жыл бұрын
LTE options are great! Even without 5G, the speeds at my parents house in the middle of a corn field in NC is WAY the heck better than the trashy CenturyLink DSL they had been using. I'm in favor of any and all options for usable internet, covering as many markets as possible. The more options, the better the competition between providers, many of whom have no competition currently.
@iguanac64662 жыл бұрын
Generally, I agree that LTE has so far been an acceptable stopgap while my two CenturyLink DSL lines are dead...but, in my area, the drop in performance is from 6pm to Midnight when everyone in the area gets off work and gets on their cell phones is so bad that I'll have to keep at least one of the DSL lines because I need the consistency more than the speed (which drops to ~4Mbps during these hours on LTE). Technically, none of the LTE providers offer Fixed Wireless Internet in my area (35 miles outside downtown of one of the largest US cities), but maybe because I'm a longtime T-Mo customer they sold me the setup because they outright refused my neighbors that asked.
@gus4732 жыл бұрын
@@iguanac6466 Before we got into the Starlink beta, we only had 4g LTE and it was usable until weekends, when people would come to our area to hunt, fish, ride ATVs, hang out at their lake homes, etc. We had NO internet service until Sunday evenings, Monday evening if it was a long weekend. That gets old fast. With Starlink, we finally have a "normal" internet connection! 👍🏼😎✌🏼
@jg3742 жыл бұрын
In Australia, family on a farm use a 4G dongle as they generally don't use too much data and it is almost cheaper / way less hassle than anything else. I have a raspberry pi running a monitoring system for various equipment on the farm and it seems to be pretty reliable, staying connected for weeks at a time (generally the HFC NBN connection on the other end is what seems to be the cause of most dropouts, which when a cable isn't letting in water, is fairly rare).
@mascatrails6612 жыл бұрын
We mostly use LTE as well. Works well for even 720p videos on youtube and video calls... Our problem with it is having a monthly cap on our total data usage and how expensive it is to increase that cap.
@ET_AYY_LMAO2 жыл бұрын
Same for me in rural Denmark, DSL is max 15/1mbit and with LTE I have 120/40
@dikcod2 жыл бұрын
I feel very lucky after hearing this story: in Milan Italy I have fiber to my home at 1 Gbit/s download, 200 Mbit/s upload. It is not costing 240 $/month but 27 euros including a 4G internet mobilephone SIM card
@rickslife2 жыл бұрын
200 up must be limited by your ISP.
@faultboy2 жыл бұрын
@@rickslife Obviously...
@salwador872 жыл бұрын
Opole, Poland - 1Gbit/s download & 300 Mbit/s upload for ~17eur ;) also fiber
@Chris-ew9mh2 жыл бұрын
It is interesting how inexpensive high speed internet can be in some parts of the globe. I know Electricity and Fuel costs are much higher in Europe as well so you sometimes have to take the good with the bad. 😉😉
@dikcod2 жыл бұрын
@@rickslife yes
@__WJK__2 жыл бұрын
Often wonder if high-altitude solar blimps would've been better vs dealing with the complexities/issues associated w/42,000 satellites.
@airborne0x02 жыл бұрын
Just a quick note on the cable- the image you shared looks like it's an attempt to add a moisture seal to the connector. I would welcome new connectors like this if they became a standard (and so became cheaper). Most consumer grade connectors suck, particularly RJ45 (how many of the stupid acrylic latch tabs have you had break off on you?). Even if the cables are outdoor rated, the connectors most certainly are not, with no way to seal out moisture, unless a cover / cable gland is there to help. Anything that improves on this is welcome. Without a better cable you might have been griping about lost connectivity due to moisture failures. Not defending the expense (but it's a consequence of changing it until a standard is available- companies should work with the standards groups to improve what's available). Also, there probably is a heater inside Starlink to keep electronics going under cold temps.. so yes just a consequence of the technology used (there are other ways to do it). Not really much of an Elon fan but a lot of the gripes are a result of the technology you're using. Maybe you want to pay for a fiber optic cable run to your cousin's house instead? But more seriously maybe just setting up a few point to point wireless relay stations would work better- or maybe these could be done as community projects.
@TimBryan2 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if Starlink released explanations for their decisions.
@AdamsLab2 жыл бұрын
I suspected the same as well. There are watertight RJ45 connectors, but they are bulky. While it would be nice to see a non-proprietary connection this was likely done to save space and create a weather tight connection.
@joansparky44392 жыл бұрын
@@AdamsLab in industrial settings Ethernet is regularly done via M12 8 pin connectors, IP67 and all. It's no magic and not much more expensive than using a RJ45 with weatherproofing while being way less bulky and coming as close to RJ45 as I could imagine when using an outdoor rated CAT6+ SFTP cable.
@AdamsLab2 жыл бұрын
@@joansparky4439 - To be clear, I'm not defending the use of the proprietary connector, it is annoying but it's also not the end of the world. I'm just offering a possible explanation. I suspect though that the M12 connector would still be considered "proprietary" or at least "proprietary adjacent" by most.
@joansparky44392 жыл бұрын
@@AdamsLab what they got now reminds me of car connectors, with those rubber seals/lips. But those at least have some latch/hook mechanism so they don't come apart.. no idea how that is for the new one that SX got there. The M-connectors usually come with swivel nuts that keep them connected, even if you pull on the cable and with it the antenna from the roof ;-)
@GamerTayhong2 жыл бұрын
Wow. Many people still think kilobyte speeds don't exist. Thank you for your service. Yes I was feeling sad reading a comment recently of so called experts on this.
@someguy49152 жыл бұрын
Speeds are typically denoted in bits, so KiloByte speeds still don't really 'exist', Kilobits however do exist and is how the internet started; slow...
@nasser-ist2 жыл бұрын
@@someguy4915 I always cringe when people (who seemingly appear intelligent) use bytes instead of bits when talking about data transfer speeds.
@AJ213Probably2 жыл бұрын
@@nasser-ist Honestly, I just forget and this is coming from someone who is taking a class on networks and is studying comp sci. I just don't care about such small details you just memorize
@nasser-ist2 жыл бұрын
@@AJ213Probably Bits and Bytes are not a "small detail", there is a huge difference, specially when you do the conversions. One byte is equal to 8 bits. It's not a matter or memorizing, its a matter of knowing the actual difference. You will learn that quick once you step into the professional field after you are done with your studies. And this is coming from someone who actually has professional experience in the field of computer science and networking.
@AJ213Probably2 жыл бұрын
@@nasser-ist I know the difference between a byte and a bit. But here is the thing, for when I do anything if such context matters it's either enforced or something you are forced to look up. I would only ever memorize such a thing through practice, but even when working with sockets it still has not mattered.
@natebaird2 жыл бұрын
Most of these changes seem to point to ease of production/working around shortages. My guess is after all of the chip shortages clear, things will be back to normal. I'm guessing they're also able to determine what percentage of people utilized the ethernet port and made a strategic decision to cut costs while still offering the functionality for those who want it. It doesn't seem like they're demand constrained and perhaps these changes just help them get more units in people's hands; most people will still take this than the current internet options they have. My parent's unit that was reserved a year ago said it'd be ready in March but just shipped today. Here's to them continuing to scale and improving along the way.
@FredyArg2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent review of the bad aspects of this product, at no time did anything you pointed out sounded negative…or made me think you were being negative…excellent video!!!
@hamderole2 жыл бұрын
$ 240 / month for Internet?!?! Yikes! Here in Denmark I pay ~ $60 usd / month for 1Gbit up/down (fiber), single private Ipv4 address and a /48 IPv6.
@TheFeist772 жыл бұрын
If your cousin is on a co-op electric tell her to contact them. Most electric co-op were given huge grants to install fiber internet to the customers on their system.
@marydd41472 жыл бұрын
We love Starlink, it worked great, until a day ago when someone caused a short (too lengthy to explain here) in a circuit, and now despite all the checks we've done, it is connected but not to the internet. Power supply?? We live in a rural area so this was our best option. We created a service request, but have to go back to our expensive cell phone internet, which has connectivity issues. 🙄 Great content on your video!
@therobustmole11372 жыл бұрын
There are other providers
@johnbuscher2 жыл бұрын
@@therobustmole1137 Not in every area. I live in an area with “other providers” and no one wanted to run cable down our street, despite the entire neighborhood wanting decent internet. It’s either cell phone internet or satellite.
@therobustmole11372 жыл бұрын
@@johnbuscher Not talking about cable, i undertood the issue. I believe there's a couple more stelelital internet providers, maybe one of them could work (No idea about their coverage).
@marydd41472 жыл бұрын
@@therobustmole1137 We did look into other satellite providers however we were concerned of the speed of the internet. However slow internet is better than no internet. Thank you
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
Mine is mounted quite far from the house (too many trees close to the house for a clear sky view), so my power supply and router are in a shed, with a secondary ethernet line running to a router inside the house. I had to brave soldering the wires back together after someone broke the cable where it entered the shed. It can be fixed. It's basically standard Cat-6 ethernet with one extra wire for the power that the "dish" uses to melt ice/snow. If it's connected, it isn't the power supply.
@DouglasJMark2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. My first time watching you. Thanks for your thoughts. I hope Starlink/SpaceX follow you and continue to improve their product. Getting Internet to areas where it is needed will surely change the planet particularly disadvantaged countries and rural areas (hope your cousin can get connected soon).
@ptech882 жыл бұрын
I have had it for about a year now and love it.. no complaints
@soulssong2u2 жыл бұрын
Same here
@TeslaRifle2 жыл бұрын
5:45 I'd be willing to bet that this design choice was made because of the chip shortage. They probably couldn't source the ethernet phys in the schedule and quantity they would have needed for a production run.
@abcwarbot2 жыл бұрын
When you have bad to zero connectivity energy is the least of your problems. You cant imagine what is like to not have internet connectivity for more than 1 hour a day or even days a week. You need the power because put in simple words its satellite link equipment. Just compare the wattage and performance vs other providers.
@matthewbeasley77652 жыл бұрын
I can't agree enough! Zero shits given about the power use. I went from no options that gave me anything over 1.5mbs to one that's consistently 50-150.
@agvulpine2 жыл бұрын
9:38 "Yes, it's possible to use advanced AI to remove light streaks... but astronomers don't want to do that." Hello. Astronomer here. We have been removing light streaks (satellites, airplanes, asteroids) from our imaging for over a hundred years. There is no advanced AI involved. We use simple image stacking by collecting 20 or 50 or 200 images and they are automatically combined in all standard astro-photography software. This is not only useful, but extremely necessary, because all camera image sensors are prone to producing sensor noise, but also we have to correct for wind noise or twinkle ("bad seeing"). When an object appears in 1 or 2 or 5 images, but not all 50, it automatically gets discarded. Trust me when I say that Starlink satellites are not even an annoyance, not even anxiety inducing. The people who say they are, are commuting stolen valor. They are not astronomers.
@cghoward702 жыл бұрын
I watched a KZbin video where a full-time RVer explained how he updates his “address” when he moves to a new location. My guess is your cousin doesn’t live near a recognized address. I believe there may be a GPS coordinate hack. Starlink service itself definitely works at her location 70 miles away if you can get the address updated with Starlink.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
I've tried a couple times and also provided the GPS coordinates directly-the support reps did mention the address didn't come up at all one time, but then I sent a different formatted address and it did show up, and they confirmed 'late 2022' again :(
@cghoward702 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling To follow up, the RVer uses other peoples’s addresses reasonably close to where he’s parked since he’s never parked at a recognized address. He was able to do it all within the GUI/web. I’ll try to find the video or search for it.
@cghoward702 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling UPDATE: Ahh! Since your cousin has already preordered you’re going to have to use another nearby address.
@JeffGeerling2 жыл бұрын
@@cghoward70 Hmm, I'll have to try this out.
@cghoward702 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Do it with your Starlink set up at your cousin’s site. There is a handshake that occurs.
@iridiumflare2 жыл бұрын
I've had my Starlink for 5 months now. It has saved me so many headaches. My old ISP was just way to unreliable and I am not even that rural. Personally my service has constantly improved and with ping in the low 20s I can game as if I had DSL. The Upload speed is the only thing I would like improved and I hope a RV friendly version comes around soon. We want to travel with fast internet :D
@soulssong2u2 жыл бұрын
There are some videos on youtube where a man uses Starlink while travelling with an RV. He goes through the process of finding a new service area address using Google My Maps and Plus Codes. As long as the service address he finds is within 10 miles of where he is located with his RV, he is able to get service. It does seem to be an arduous process to find the plus code address in a Starlink service area and a cell that isn't already filled, but if you're staying in one place for awhile, it could be worth it.
@mika4real2 жыл бұрын
It’s all about having an alternative. I’m living on a farm and there is no alternative. So I’m happy there is something like Starlink. If you have an alternative in your location, go for it! There is no point for Starlink then. Starlink is not and was never meant for everyone.
@soulssong2u2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I am puzzled why people who have other high speed options would think that Starlink was a good one for them. It wasn't meant for people in the areas where cable and fiber optic internet are already available. Here in the mountains of Colorado, I was paying $109 for 10 Mbps download and 2.5 Mbps upload speeds. Starlink has been a game changer for us, costing less per month and allowing us to drop the satellite tv service and go full on streaming tv for half the price we were paying for tv.
@silviopoggi81932 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this update. As always, nothing is simple or black and white. We are one of those families that live in a rural area with virtually no reasonable access to the internet so we are truly stuck. Mr. Musk has had our $100 since 2020 but he has us by the "short hairs".
@fritzmj2 жыл бұрын
Preorders didn't start until Feb. 8 2021
@joansparky44392 жыл бұрын
Not Mr. Musks fault that he's the only biz that is serving you..?! Or do you expect him to now run his own competition on top of it too?
@salvadorepozzi86462 жыл бұрын
Regarding the deposit, you are correct and I apoligize. I sent my deposit on Feb 9, 2021. It only feels like over a year... As far as Mr. Musk, I am neither a worshiper or denouncer so whatever your point is / was, you win...
@BeingBetter2 жыл бұрын
Same. I'm rural, no other good internet options, and we've already preordered it, and now just ordered the kit. Hoping it works out. I'll be mad at my husband if it doesn't.
@hback34ps32 жыл бұрын
I genuinely appreciate going over all of the downsides of Starlink. That being said; for my circumstances Starlinks benefits far outweigh the negatives. It is always good to look at the pros and cons before purchasing.
@Encysted2 жыл бұрын
I really love that this video was not just about “yeah the speed was okay, coverage has been slow to build”
@TraneFrancks2 жыл бұрын
Interesting assessment. I'm one of those waiting to see whether this technology will mature enough for recreational boating anytime soon, e.g., a 38-40' sailboat. The promise of internet anywhere is pretty seductive. It feels pretty far off, though.
@PeterJames1432 жыл бұрын
I'm with you 100%. boating or RV'ing. Promise of internet everywhere is very very seductive. Definitely does appear far off. Will probably be life changing or world changing if & when it works.
@TraneFrancks2 жыл бұрын
@@PeterJames143 It would definitely be life-changing for me. I work in IT and am slave to an always-on broadband connection. A reliable marine-based Starlink connection would absolutely change my approach to life and work. I've been watching this for years already and am champing at the bit for a marine provider to adapt the antenna.
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
It has already matured beyond that point, it's just a matter of getting enough satellites in orbit to support the bandwidth. SpaceX contracted with Hawaiian Airlines to provide in-flight wifi via Starlink a few weeks ago, so planting a working antenna on a sailing vessel would be child's play.
@TraneFrancks2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminhicks3920 Let's be clear about the requirements: It's already quite easy to mount the existing antenna in a custom enclosure on a gimbal platform on a large yacht. That's not the situation, however, for a small boat under 40'. I have not seen anything from marine comms providers that addresses the unique constraints of small-to-mid sized watercraft that wish to employ Starlink. If you have knowledge in that regard that I've missed, I'd be tremendously grateful if you'd share a link or two. 🙇♂️
@benjaminhicks39202 жыл бұрын
@@TraneFrancks if it’s installed on a stabilizing gimbal it isn’t going to be much different than on an aircraft. That isn’t a limit of Starlink, but rather the mounting apparatus. The “dish” is going track the satellite constellation so long as the platform is stable enough.
@TradersTradingEdge2 жыл бұрын
This is research and facts the world really needs. A huge thanks for your superb work Jeff - keep it rolling.
@jamesbutson63472 жыл бұрын
My parents get less that 100kbps down. They average around 45kbps. It is a copper cable bus with hundreds of nodes and they are close to end of the line (got to love Bell Canada). But it is reliable, can do email and is cheap. They will probably get starlink when I tell them to, but that will not be for a few years. I am glad I waited and did not pre-order. Thanks for the update.
@anthonysimpson67382 жыл бұрын
Starlink is good in Australia especially rural locations the speed difference is a game changer compared to the govt. NBN network that has capacity issues and extremely slow. The points you raise are fair and sound. I hope they remedy them too.
@yayforeffort2 жыл бұрын
Telsa loves proprietary. It's the price you'll pay for the "privilege"
@bjarnecola63842 жыл бұрын
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@RandomGuy-om1vy2 жыл бұрын
The Apple of cars.
@drwisdom12 жыл бұрын
Mr. Geerling has made an informative video. We live in the mountains where there is no cable (we have to use satellite), no city water (we have to use a well), and no sewer (septic tank). Satellite isn't good for VPN and zoom. The phone company overcharges for modem slow DSL that always goes down. So what we have been doing it hotspotting an extra cellphone to our wifi router. We had Sprint and it worked acceptably even though it wasn't fast by today's standards. After the merger T-Mobile switched our phones from Sprint to T-Mobile even though T-Mobile doesn't reach our house. So we had 0 bars and 0G and T-Mobile didn't care a bit. That forced us to change to AT&T (Verizon doesn't work at our house) to get phone and Internet service. By then AT&T had upgraded to 5G so now our house has pretty fast Internet that is way better than we were getting from Sprint. One summer night we saw the Starlink satellites and said that seems like a great solution to our situation. We went to the website but coverage was not yet available in our area. But now after watching this video we are not going to consider getting Starlink. The lack of Ethernet port and the proprietary cable that doesn't even snap in are serious design flaws. But it appears the higher costs and installation hassle of Starlink make using a 5G cellphone a much better value.
@DerekDavis2132 жыл бұрын
Musk is no Iron Man: He's been vastly overstating (flat out lying?) about Tesla Autonomous driving for years. And Tesla customers get cars with poor paint jobs (class action lawsuit!) and poor fit-and-finish too. Heck, one guy bought a *brand* *new* Tesla car, and the day of delivery it was filthy. Elon Musk doesn't think car washes are necessary for a $50,000 vehicle?
@ThrustersX2 жыл бұрын
No shit he is overstating. I think everyone knows that even his die hard fans
@DerekDavis2132 жыл бұрын
@@ThrustersX So Musk is a liar, a HUGE tax cheat, and he calls another man a 'pedo' with no consequences? I wouldn't give Musk or Tesla *one* *red* *cent* !
@mwolrich2 жыл бұрын
Just received the StarLink email 30 minutes ago (Boston area), immediately paid the balance and ordered the Ethernet adapter, pipe mount and short eave mount (not sure which mount will work best yet)…. It’s on the way shortly.. hoping to eventually displace COMCAST, the are NOT loved here 😂. The new connectors allow the cable to be replaced, which is a plus.. looks like a USB-C connector, which are pretty common. I don’t care about power consumption, have a NetZero house with essentially no power bill (ok, it’s $600/year usually in March when credits run out, used to be $4-500/month before solar PV on roof), oh and the electric provider PAYS me between $140-$175 month, based on monthly production, for 10 years…. Yep, power is a non issue for me 😂
@RABooth822 жыл бұрын
All of your comments are valid. I ordered Starlink here in Ireland and received it during the first Covid lockdown. The difference it has made is amazing, our previous connection which cost us €45 a month was not fast enough to have more than one device at a time connected. And working from home was impossible for us. But now we can. It amazes me that a company in a different country can launch something like this and I spend the amount of money that has been spent to get it up and running. Yet the government and isps in Ireland can’t even manage to run cables or some other form of internet out to rural areas. There are a couple of places in Ireland where Starlink is the first usable internet to be available. Which is a little unbelievable for a country like Ireland in 2022
@EAGQA2 жыл бұрын
Be grateful you get to have great Internet connection directly from space. You get way more for what you pay.
@moover1232 жыл бұрын
bullshit
@johnpalmer51312 жыл бұрын
Reminds what inevitable happens with any new tech… three steps forward, one back. Recall the previous attempts at LEO comm systems.. think Iridium, Teledesic, Globstar, et al… all of them worked but had real problems and took a long time to implement.
@stitchfinger76782 жыл бұрын
Im not saying Starlink is perfect but the actual internet had these growing pains as well. it was very expensive to run a literal entire new type of infrastructure across cities like we did.
@onlineda12 жыл бұрын
Your videos are very helpful for someone in Canada considering jumping to starlink. Thank you
@christopherwhull2 жыл бұрын
The number of useful twilight observations we made in the 1990s when I was an Observatory Operator is near zero, twilight was for sky flats to calibrate the camera. Streaks due to satellites were always a concern a lot