Jeh Johnson: An unbelievable decision and a setback to our constitutional order

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The Morning Joe panel discusses the Supreme Court ruling Trump has limited immunity.
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@dstarrII8442
@dstarrII8442 3 ай бұрын
How much more damage does this court need to do before people declare it illegitimate!?!?🤬
@foxlake6750
@foxlake6750 3 ай бұрын
Joe says no one is above the law….and then ignores the SC on the student loan ruling.
@stasiekpiekarski
@stasiekpiekarski 3 ай бұрын
Autocracy starts from taking over judiciary by the executive branch.
@daydays12
@daydays12 3 ай бұрын
Fascism 101 ! job done in the USA
@tonylocke1214
@tonylocke1214 3 ай бұрын
The oligarchy decides upon the shape of the autocracy first.
@susanford2388
@susanford2388 3 ай бұрын
All one has to do is look at Hilter's play book from 1933.
@MauiWowie51
@MauiWowie51 3 ай бұрын
@@susanford2388 like the part where he put his political rivals in jail?
@gayan2517
@gayan2517 3 ай бұрын
Or having a wife like Jill Biden.
@stevenpike7857
@stevenpike7857 3 ай бұрын
They're cowards- they drop the news after they've left town for their undeserved vacations.
@rude1527
@rude1527 3 ай бұрын
Go to their houses and see if you don't get free room and board.
@fletcherreed3259
@fletcherreed3259 3 ай бұрын
Smart.
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
They can't go on vacation if you find them. ​@@rude1527
@zalronwow7222
@zalronwow7222 3 ай бұрын
You truly can't see the big picture. Without this, Obama could have been held responsible for the drone strikes on civilians (accidental) and Biden could have been charged for the deaths in the Afghanistan withdrawal. Do some research and see the bigger picture.
@krisrob648
@krisrob648 3 ай бұрын
This is awesome first the debate diabolical and this major l even one Democrats win they lose Joe Biden being a prime example
@FMW922
@FMW922 3 ай бұрын
Are they not not just covering Donald Trump but themselves so that now they look forward to having a President that would allow them to enrich themselves as he enriches himself.
@jennfaire8726
@jennfaire8726 3 ай бұрын
Yup and we get away with it 😁
@talk3194
@talk3194 3 ай бұрын
Yes, SCOTUS actually runs the country, the President doesn’t, unless SCOTUS gives him/her the power. Why? Because America is an Aristocracy!!! What does that mean? A class of persons holding exceptional rank and privileges, especially the hereditary nobility. a government or state ruled by an aristocracy, elite, or privileged upper class! MAGA is so delusional that they can’t see what is happening right before their very eyes.
@shirleywarner8831
@shirleywarner8831 2 ай бұрын
Criminals in our Highest Court trump should not be on a ballot
@grumblegroan
@grumblegroan 3 ай бұрын
Corruption at the highest level
@ralphstarling6707
@ralphstarling6707 3 ай бұрын
The Supreme Court will eventually realize and suffer the shame of their actions! So sad!
@sandyradford5248
@sandyradford5248 3 ай бұрын
You think they care?
@yojimbosatoshi
@yojimbosatoshi 3 ай бұрын
MSNBC comments are why civics should be required in every grade from 3rd to graduation.
@sixpackchad
@sixpackchad 3 ай бұрын
@@yojimbosatoshi I have to admit though. Reading these comments is wildly entertaining. These people can vote and they do.
@georgehamm5224
@georgehamm5224 3 ай бұрын
@@yojimbosatoshi question for you, what is fox news saying about this? What are your comments about them?
@yojimbosatoshi
@yojimbosatoshi 3 ай бұрын
@georgehamm5224 I don't know what they're saying about it. Conservatives don't do anything. They're not a worry to me. It's the commies that have infiltrated everything and are attempting to destroy our nation that worry me and they live here.
@RegebroRepairs
@RegebroRepairs 3 ай бұрын
@@sixpackchad That's not entertaining, it's terrifying and the reason we are in this mess in the first place.
@sixpackchad
@sixpackchad 3 ай бұрын
@@RegebroRepairs The progressive lunatics spouting off left wing talking points about fascism is the entertaining part.
@suedavis3525
@suedavis3525 3 ай бұрын
I am a Brit living in France. I can tell you that if something like this happened in France the population would be striking and demonstrating in the streets until the decision was reversed.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
Why?
@KAMMD
@KAMMD 3 ай бұрын
Result ?
@electrolytics
@electrolytics 3 ай бұрын
Something like what happened?
@sweetdulcesunshinenyc
@sweetdulcesunshinenyc 3 ай бұрын
​@@SS-pc6dgbecause no one wants a dictator dumdumdums the 5 judges were hand picked to work with traitors liars or the treasonous rightwing confederate republikkkan grifters infiltrators that are against democracy freedom justice equality humanity education progress harmony and peace and it's confirmed by this decision dumdumdums they voted for a Dictator dumdumdums connect the dots WATCH THE VIDEO wow
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@electrolytics I don't believe many of these comments are from any actual individual. It is all marketing.
@Mr.Monta77
@Mr.Monta77 3 ай бұрын
This is shocking.
@UMVELINQANGI
@UMVELINQANGI 3 ай бұрын
With an imperious, far right wing super majority driving the SCOTUS, this disgraceful opinion was inevitable, and it has the potential to break our constitutional order. We should all be very concerned.
@thrivalmode4523
@thrivalmode4523 3 ай бұрын
No you are!
@Mr.Monta77
@Mr.Monta77 3 ай бұрын
@@thrivalmode4523 Why am I shocking?
@NotRose-hf7kr
@NotRose-hf7kr 3 ай бұрын
Corrupt New York judges and corrupt Biden and Democrats. Democracy?. Stop lying and stop stealing elections. Tell Democrats.
@portiawilcox3120
@portiawilcox3120 3 ай бұрын
@@Mr.Monta77Not only shocking,delusional you people are! Trump IS your next President! Enjoy November!!😂🎉
@user-sq7nk9us6f
@user-sq7nk9us6f 3 ай бұрын
Why should people show respect for the courts if the Courts show no respect for the people? It encourages anarchy.
@santyclause8034
@santyclause8034 3 ай бұрын
Didn't the Nixon tapes get used as evidence of misconduct?
@henkholdingastate
@henkholdingastate 3 ай бұрын
From a respected country to a banana republic with a dictator at the head and his cronies in the high court. It looks like Germany just before the war
@gogreen7794
@gogreen7794 3 ай бұрын
Yes.
@JoeWayne84
@JoeWayne84 3 ай бұрын
Nixon wasn’t prosecuted
@markjones4704
@markjones4704 3 ай бұрын
@@JoeWayne84 yes ford pardoned him so never tested wether potus has imunity at all
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
@@markjones4704he was pardoned on the impeachment, not supposed crimes.
@lindabingham6403
@lindabingham6403 3 ай бұрын
If there was EVER a doubt .... we need to not doubt anymore.
@Sticky-Situation
@Sticky-Situation 3 ай бұрын
If you think this decision was "Unbelievable", you having been paying attention
@chrisjessee9789
@chrisjessee9789 3 ай бұрын
This is no longer legal BS. This will be decided in the streets.
@debbieparrish2993
@debbieparrish2993 3 ай бұрын
Republic for which it stands....
@jeffhampton2767
@jeffhampton2767 3 ай бұрын
One nation under God 🙏🏻
@HotChronicles
@HotChronicles 3 ай бұрын
@@jeffhampton2767 “indivisible”
@S__a_m_u_r_a_i
@S__a_m_u_r_a_i 3 ай бұрын
Indivisible with Liberty and Justice for all 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@Rustea314
@Rustea314 3 ай бұрын
@@jeffhampton2767 "under God" was added in 1950's to fight the godless communist.
@Marshall_Stacks
@Marshall_Stacks 3 ай бұрын
@@jeffhampton2767NOPE! That nonsense was added in the 50's and has no basis in reality.
@markvogel3473
@markvogel3473 3 ай бұрын
The way it works is that the president promises the director of homeland security (or whomever) a presidential pardon for carrying out an order to do something for which the director does not otherwise have immunity. The president, after all, has the absolute power to pardon anybody she/he wants to pardon.
@Jarhead1968
@Jarhead1968 3 ай бұрын
So, y’all not telling everyone to respect our judicial system today? 😂
@DuaneHallinSD
@DuaneHallinSD 3 ай бұрын
Our democracy had a good run. It will be missed.
@jennfaire8726
@jennfaire8726 3 ай бұрын
Thank God!
@PassportBrosBusinessClass
@PassportBrosBusinessClass 3 ай бұрын
Without presidential immunity, EVERY PRESIDENT could be prosecuted after they leave office by the opposing party. THERE ARE TWO WAYS to hold a President Accountable: #1 THE BALLOT BOX #2 IMPEACHMENT
@sandyradford5248
@sandyradford5248 3 ай бұрын
They tried impeachment.. twice for Trump. And the gutless Republicans let him off.
@elogiud
@elogiud 3 ай бұрын
We really have only ONE way; Don't let the lunatic back into power; vote Blue!
@nataliandavis4515
@nataliandavis4515 3 ай бұрын
Having mercy on thousands, overlooking evil and wrongdoing and sin; he will not let wrongdoers go free, but will send punishment on children for the sins of their fathers, and on their children's children to the third and fourth generation.
@manatee123
@manatee123 3 ай бұрын
Jeh Johnson knows what he is talking about. 😭
@MagnumForce439
@MagnumForce439 3 ай бұрын
Half the country is upset, while the other half is fine with this decision. It’s called democracy.
@TomZanetic
@TomZanetic 3 ай бұрын
What do you expect when psychopathic judges are admitted to the supreme court
@weepinglilies
@weepinglilies 3 ай бұрын
What do you expect when appointed officials are Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and Kash Patel??! They will not say no, because he will pardon them if they get in any trouble, this is insane, we don’t have a democracy anymore, it breaks my heart.
@MauiWowie51
@MauiWowie51 3 ай бұрын
like the woman who doesn't know what a woman is?
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
@@MauiWowie51 Republicans are not human beings.
@gayan2517
@gayan2517 3 ай бұрын
Do they have dementia too?
@Anita-e3h2x
@Anita-e3h2x 3 ай бұрын
"psychopathic judges are admitted to the supreme court..." put there from a lunatic and psychopathic President Trump!! So vote blue to impede a second term of this mad-man!!!
@faby3392
@faby3392 3 ай бұрын
Supreme Court shameless
@JoshuaK-st7ln
@JoshuaK-st7ln 3 ай бұрын
You're shameless
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
Why?
@JoshuaK-st7ln
@JoshuaK-st7ln 3 ай бұрын
@@SS-pc6dg Because this whole thing is a political persecution by a bunch of corrupt power hungry swamp rats
@jennfaire8726
@jennfaire8726 3 ай бұрын
I love them
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@jennfaire8726 Hey, you have a brain capable of critical thinking!!!
@FloatDown
@FloatDown 3 ай бұрын
What this SCOTUS is doing is corrupt and unacceptable. They need to be held accountable. Immediately.
@raulabeyta7853
@raulabeyta7853 3 ай бұрын
Just like the Biden administration needs to be held accountable for weaponizing the DOJ.
@foxlake6750
@foxlake6750 3 ай бұрын
Why is it corrupt?
@deanhirakawa8436
@deanhirakawa8436 3 ай бұрын
I can’t believe that in my lifetime, I am watching democracy being slowly dismantled by people who are supposed to protect the rule of law and the Constitution.
@markcosenza3274
@markcosenza3274 3 ай бұрын
😂😂 No! Biden's lawfare crushed!😂😂
@kuistancfraine3488
@kuistancfraine3488 3 ай бұрын
Amen!!
@judyharragin5145
@judyharragin5145 3 ай бұрын
Congress back Aipac isreel thieving American taxpayers money
@Kermit_T_Frog
@Kermit_T_Frog 3 ай бұрын
I didn't believe this was going to happen, either, but in hindsight, it was inevitable. They've planned this for decades. Why do you think Trump has been so brazenly unlawful? He knew that the courts had his back.
@dwightbethel488
@dwightbethel488 3 ай бұрын
​@@markcosenza3274 so I biden decides he should do as donald said and assisnante someone it should be a problem for you... this ruling goes both ways.
@susansantapola
@susansantapola 3 ай бұрын
President Biden must take action on this.
@gayan2517
@gayan2517 3 ай бұрын
You mean Jill Biden.
@DuaneHallinSD
@DuaneHallinSD 3 ай бұрын
@@gayan2517 Hey troll. Derp derp
@carltonredden4885
@carltonredden4885 3 ай бұрын
@@gayan2517😂
@krazzylion4135
@krazzylion4135 3 ай бұрын
he meant BRANDON, DARK BRANDON
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
@@krazzylion4135 dork brandon
@branevans3705
@branevans3705 3 ай бұрын
Be quiet, Luke. MSNBC, you have a real nerve to post this joyful announcement after such a serious topic
@One.--
@One.-- 3 ай бұрын
Justice Roberts & his gang had did this...😮
@catheerineflannigan3321
@catheerineflannigan3321 3 ай бұрын
no. it was trump/mconald that did this.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
Why?
@jimmys50
@jimmys50 3 ай бұрын
Just one more step towards Fascism. Surprising how many want to run not step down that road.
@MauiWowie51
@MauiWowie51 3 ай бұрын
define fascism right now without googling it. i dare you.
@raulabeyta7853
@raulabeyta7853 3 ай бұрын
​@@MauiWowie51😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@michaelbriganti
@michaelbriganti 3 ай бұрын
Do you need a wambulance jimmy????
@jimmys50
@jimmys50 3 ай бұрын
@@michaelbriganti No thanks., I am 76 years old and I won't live long enough to see the damage the republican party, oh my bad Maga, will do to this country.
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
@@jimmys50 Republicans never were really human beings or Americans.
@prajnachan333
@prajnachan333 3 ай бұрын
You guys aren't including "presidential pardons" for carrying out those acts!
@joewearsadroolbib7347
@joewearsadroolbib7347 3 ай бұрын
Why does MSNBC constantly whine about everything?
@HeadacheMachine
@HeadacheMachine 3 ай бұрын
says the guy who certainly supports the whinner-in-chief, the orange turd
@indiansfever11
@indiansfever11 3 ай бұрын
*whine and lie!
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@indiansfever11 Humans don't lie.
@AugaAuf
@AugaAuf 3 ай бұрын
A real whiner comment.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@AugaAuf What is?
@evalawler4524
@evalawler4524 3 ай бұрын
Why are 6 Supreme Court Justices working for Donald Trump instead of doing their job? We, the American people, will be the ones paying for it if the unpredictable, chaotic, angry Donald Trump gets elected. We all have to vote in large numbers. Make sure you are registered to vote.
@tedf9233
@tedf9233 3 ай бұрын
The court has spoken.
@Mr.Monta77
@Mr.Monta77 3 ай бұрын
The extreme right wing activist ‘justices’ of the Court have spoken, rather.
@Djturnt
@Djturnt 3 ай бұрын
Goofy
@sifisodube4686
@sifisodube4686 3 ай бұрын
Laws only apply to the poorer people only. If you have money you can get away with any thing truth must be told
@susancoddington6393
@susancoddington6393 3 ай бұрын
I can’t believe anything an lawyer says now because like me they all said no way the SCROTUS would give the monster absolute immunity we were all wrong
@RegisterRedVoteBlue
@RegisterRedVoteBlue 3 ай бұрын
The lawyers are telling you the law. SCOTUS is doing whatever tf they want.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@RegisterRedVoteBlue What are you talking about? Do you understand how the sytem works?
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
What monster?
@Kathleen-d8j
@Kathleen-d8j 3 ай бұрын
Not absolute
@RegisterRedVoteBlue
@RegisterRedVoteBlue 3 ай бұрын
@@Kathleen-d8j yes, absolute for official acts.
@markjoseph196
@markjoseph196 3 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣, This is what happened when you don’t have term limits in the Supreme Court. At aged 65 or 70 (tops ) you should be out of that building!
@Joe-c4c1i
@Joe-c4c1i 3 ай бұрын
JUDY JUSTICE was blindfolded by the kangaroos. Animal Farm.
@susanford2388
@susanford2388 3 ай бұрын
I don't remember kangaroos in Animal Farm?
@xTHExROADx
@xTHExROADx 3 ай бұрын
Oh no!!! We can't prosecute our political rival??? Lol pathetic
@HD46409
@HD46409 3 ай бұрын
More to the point the president could order the military to "take out" the SCOTUS majority and then issue pardons (or pre-emptive pardons) for all those involved and we're all good.
@davidtuttle7556
@davidtuttle7556 3 ай бұрын
Then the Constitution would be as good as dead.
@Nib_Nob-t7x
@Nib_Nob-t7x 3 ай бұрын
No they couldn't. Because it has to be "official". Which is determined by the lower courts on a case by case basis.
@darkcld82
@darkcld82 3 ай бұрын
Service members are sworn to uphold the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. So you point is mute
@jamesross3939
@jamesross3939 3 ай бұрын
​​@@Nib_Nob-t7xit's official if it's for national security. Full stop.
@MLIrons
@MLIrons 3 ай бұрын
And you act like the commander-in-chief can just snap his fighers and make the military dance like puppets. Newsflash, that's not how it works.
@jamesdean80
@jamesdean80 3 ай бұрын
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!! It was law. And nothing wrong.
@cherylbarrett3443
@cherylbarrett3443 3 ай бұрын
I am glad this went to the Court of Appeals first. It shows how corrupt the Supreme Court has become.
@jamesross3939
@jamesross3939 3 ай бұрын
Good point.
@zalronwow7222
@zalronwow7222 3 ай бұрын
It is "corrupt" to allow protection to past presidents for what they did in office. Obama should then be brought up for charges calling in a drone strike that killed civilians, since you are saying after his presidency he no longer has immunity.
@askmshaymes
@askmshaymes 3 ай бұрын
After being an insider sitting socially with federal judges, dining and traveling with state court judges my lack of awareness of the seriousness of legally binding procedures dismantled my future completely. The system meant to support citizens had become a bit of a monopoly, protected, just like Mr. Trump is being protected. I am not doing a bash the courts series I am waking up the minds of people who don’t know what they don’t know. Thank you for subscribing.
@andersljunggren4763
@andersljunggren4763 3 ай бұрын
goodbye the so called american democracy
@piratelechuck1911
@piratelechuck1911 3 ай бұрын
"Guh'bye dumbocracy 🧟‍♂️" - Team Clown
@rickrobitaille5590
@rickrobitaille5590 3 ай бұрын
Good buy to our so call American Democracy! Thank god for our Supreme court!
@ozachar
@ozachar 3 ай бұрын
That goodbye was done in the NY court
@danielnixon1976
@danielnixon1976 3 ай бұрын
It's a constitutional republic. Republic, like in the pledge of allegiance. We're not a socialist country yet clown.
@ek-1707
@ek-1707 3 ай бұрын
Not if you vote, and encourage everyone you know to do likewise.
@rosanash4949
@rosanash4949 3 ай бұрын
Corrupt court
@genabrie
@genabrie 3 ай бұрын
I am not joking- Joe Biden must act “boldly and decisively” now while he is still president. If he can’t, he should step down and have Kamala sworn in… she would do what has to be done to save our country!
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY 3 ай бұрын
OOO RAH
@sixpackchad
@sixpackchad 3 ай бұрын
@@genabrie 😂😂😂 keep em coming, this is wildly entertaining.
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
🤭🤣
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
I don't believe that you understand what any word means
@genabrie
@genabrie 3 ай бұрын
@@Bicbawsaq really? I would argue my education probably exceeds yours. I may not mean what I am saying, but I can certainly read. The only reason the Supreme Court ruled this way yesterday is that they are certain Biden is to incorruptible to see the implications. He should call their bluff!
@BVN-TEXAS
@BVN-TEXAS 3 ай бұрын
Gotta love watching MSNBC throwing a hissyfit when they don’t get their way.
@MyVale13
@MyVale13 3 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think Scotus would have helped trump more by simply stalling the case, than ruling in favor of immunity. Because now they have granted the same immunity to President Biden. I hope that he uses it
@waverideraus4882
@waverideraus4882 3 ай бұрын
Hopefully it may have also rung the alarm bells for many who may have been sitting on the fence. There will be many who may not care about one party or the other but definitely do not want unaccountable overlord
@m.b5777
@m.b5777 3 ай бұрын
Biden is only half alive.
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
Trump was Impeached for j6 just like biden could be. Nothing has changed. Anything outside of impeachment is illegal for official duties.
@jtarmstrong1986
@jtarmstrong1986 3 ай бұрын
The US is a joke ugh
@franklingonzalez1003
@franklingonzalez1003 3 ай бұрын
Then why are you still here? You can leave you know? I will help you if you get lost at the airport. I will even have tissues ready for your liberal tears.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
The US is the best country in the world with the worst government
@rickrobitaille5590
@rickrobitaille5590 3 ай бұрын
It is but we finally got something right!
@ek-1707
@ek-1707 3 ай бұрын
If you are not an American, then you are correct. If you are an American, you are the problem.
@jennfaire8726
@jennfaire8726 3 ай бұрын
Move
@chrisward4576
@chrisward4576 3 ай бұрын
Another 20 million illegal immigrants comin' in hot
@AmitRay47
@AmitRay47 3 ай бұрын
The Roman emperor NERO (the worst in Roman history) has incarnated by the blessings of the Supreme Court.
@Iserate
@Iserate 3 ай бұрын
Are you having a stroke?
@michaelbriganti
@michaelbriganti 3 ай бұрын
Take your meds sweetheart.
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
Cry more
@waverideraus4882
@waverideraus4882 3 ай бұрын
Better to be innocent than Immune
@7thpilot
@7thpilot 3 ай бұрын
Nice to see the RULE OF LAW still standing strong Thankyou Justices you have returned sanity to the masses
@kathyweis7451
@kathyweis7451 3 ай бұрын
Long live King and Queen Biden
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
This is totally unconstitutional. It is an illegal ruling. If you cannot see this, then YOU are equally guilty and part of the problem
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
Just because YOU like it and YOU see it as sanity, It isn't. It isn't even Christian let alone American. Trump is EVIL must be stopped, but they are aiding and abbetting the traitor. that makes them traitors too. Just like YOU
@melissabruhn1429
@melissabruhn1429 3 ай бұрын
False. But MAGA love to lie and bluster.
@rovingnomad8397
@rovingnomad8397 3 ай бұрын
do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
@RegebroRepairs
@RegebroRepairs 3 ай бұрын
The six justices that voted for this should be removed as failing to uphold their oath.
@zdwade
@zdwade 3 ай бұрын
Can’t wait for trump 2.0
@wlm1697
@wlm1697 3 ай бұрын
Cry harder liberal garbage.😂😂😂
@JohnMoseley
@JohnMoseley 3 ай бұрын
@@zdwade So he can start hurting people you don't like, this time with total impunity?
@mjcmustang
@mjcmustang 3 ай бұрын
​@RegebroRepairs except they did hold up the constitution if you cared to read the part that specifically relates to this instance
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
Our constitution doesn't say federal agencies can make law
@Miathiren
@Miathiren 3 ай бұрын
Ok, when did the Supreme Court make a law?
@gogreen7794
@gogreen7794 3 ай бұрын
Government agencies administer the law, otherwise there's no point in having law.
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
@@Miathiren it's scotus job to interpret law, that's why they're there
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
@gogreen7794 chevron gave federal agencies the power to interpret ambiguous law but that's scotus job as one of the 3 branches. The epa isn't in the constitution
@sixpackchad
@sixpackchad 3 ай бұрын
😂😂 love to see progressive cope.
@MauiWowie51
@MauiWowie51 3 ай бұрын
its insane. "why wont the fascists jail my political rivals?"
@sixpackchad
@sixpackchad 3 ай бұрын
@@MauiWowie51 Bro, read Sotomayor’s dissent. She legitimately believes this gives the president power to assassinate their political opponents. Absolutely insane.
@anguselliott8986
@anguselliott8986 3 ай бұрын
OK Goebbels.
@Noreb
@Noreb 3 ай бұрын
"progressives" = literally everyone who isnt a maga cultist, across both sides of the aisle..
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
@@sixpackchad Republicans are not human beings. Act accordingly everyone.
@Ynos-62
@Ynos-62 3 ай бұрын
-So these people would get to the top seat not certainly based on their expertise and credential ( Federal District judge Aileen Cannon with less than 3 years of experience on the bench) but more on who put them there and for what purposes (Al Gore Vs. Bush ). -So integrity from these people is just a public advertising!
@Johnnywalker-vq7kl
@Johnnywalker-vq7kl 3 ай бұрын
BIDENS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL COPE GET YOUR FLIGHT TICKETS SOON 😂😂😂 LS
@alcrow1458
@alcrow1458 3 ай бұрын
The grown ups are trying to talk. Go outside and play with your friends.
@johngodley256
@johngodley256 3 ай бұрын
@Johnnywalker-vq7k1 There was a time when the US had mostly decent normal people, that went out of the window with Trump and the GOP. 60 courts said Biden is the president, so where do you get your lies from?
@Johnnywalker-vq7kl
@Johnnywalker-vq7kl 3 ай бұрын
@@alcrow1458 grownups in the youtube comment section what a L🤡🤣
@Emrsnx
@Emrsnx 3 ай бұрын
You all better drop that freedom crap and good luck with keeping your basic human rights.. .America died today.
@daveg695
@daveg695 3 ай бұрын
Now we see why it took so long for SCOTUS to rule on this case. They were figuring out how to completely protect trump.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
How so? By following the law?
@daveg695
@daveg695 3 ай бұрын
@@SS-pc6dg Yeah, but they didn't follow any law. They created new law.
@SS-pc6dg
@SS-pc6dg 3 ай бұрын
@@daveg695 Well you are clearly no legal scholar and the opposing force on the supreme court offered no legal rebuttal, i.e. there was no law broken (or not followed as you suggest). No new law was created but rather the existing law was interpreted for the first time since no political party has ever been so afraid of a political opponent before to actually bring these types of cases. People need to stop listening to the media and start applying basic critical thinking skills.
@antoinefigafetta6405
@antoinefigafetta6405 3 ай бұрын
@@SS-pc6dg Let's just put it this way. SCOTUS the last Bastion of Justice has just given Trump the License for a Dictatorship ( if he wins election).
@jennfaire8726
@jennfaire8726 3 ай бұрын
Yes we protect Trump all the way
@davidschneider6306
@davidschneider6306 3 ай бұрын
Care to know how the Supreme Court/Trump love affair ends? Read William Shire “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.”
@ramadoo2179
@ramadoo2179 3 ай бұрын
Correct ruling. There has not been a sensical dissent thus far, just immature emotion outbursts
@john.maynard
@john.maynard 3 ай бұрын
Explain
@2200Stinger
@2200Stinger 3 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@john.maynardHow about you try and prove him wrong by explaining what sensical dissent there is for the decision? Other than hyperbolisitc nonsense like “the president is now a king” or “we should use this in our favor to enact violence against our political opponent”
@melissabruhn1429
@melissabruhn1429 3 ай бұрын
False.
@georgehamm5224
@georgehamm5224 3 ай бұрын
Immature is the comments you just made, still in America we have a right to our own opinions. How ironic!
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
@@2200Stinger "Disprove it without talking about it" The parasite wishes you to justify his own madness. Go away parasite.
@PaulRueben
@PaulRueben 3 ай бұрын
Next time don’t try to jail your political opponent , blue side brought this on themselves . And your losing November
@awtodor
@awtodor 3 ай бұрын
Trump did this to himself by directly attacking our election
@williamstanley4714
@williamstanley4714 3 ай бұрын
Trump 2024. To big to rig
@dontewashington3250
@dontewashington3250 3 ай бұрын
Wow. These liberals have no sense.
@davidsylvester6880
@davidsylvester6880 3 ай бұрын
Tump could still run for president even as he sits in jail. Bringing him to court before election would have just gave him more votes
@markjones4704
@markjones4704 3 ай бұрын
and win and be sworn in and release himself issueing exec order to the governer
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
Even if he is sentenced to jail, he will remain free under appeal just like Steve Bannon was.
@lmiller1413
@lmiller1413 3 ай бұрын
I would chuckle to see him give his inauguration speech in stripes! And then I would cry after I realized that I lost all my freedom.
@DuaneHallinSD
@DuaneHallinSD 3 ай бұрын
Trumpf cant vote in November. 😂
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
@@DuaneHallinSD he doesn’t have to. We will vote for him in overwhelming numbers
@kirkdogg007
@kirkdogg007 3 ай бұрын
We already knew this the crooks who tried this are surprised it didn't work.
@bigtime9589
@bigtime9589 3 ай бұрын
Enough of the Supreme Court. I want to know why Ukrainian kids are fighting over a pair of tennis shoes, while Zelenskyy's wife is driving a $4.4 million Bugatti? 10% for the Big Guy!
@grahamwade5932
@grahamwade5932 3 ай бұрын
Shut up man
@susanford2388
@susanford2388 3 ай бұрын
More importantly, how much were those 6 justices paid for their immunity decision? Who paid them? No justices recused themselves!
@gayan2517
@gayan2517 3 ай бұрын
Hunter Biden paid them?🙄
@rogerclark9285
@rogerclark9285 3 ай бұрын
Just their usual salaries. They are paid by the federal government.
@jadenbrooks4327
@jadenbrooks4327 3 ай бұрын
If yall think this is OK then you're NOT OK ... Please seek a doctor
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY 3 ай бұрын
doctor 2A
@jadenbrooks4327
@jadenbrooks4327 3 ай бұрын
@@NOMOREDEMOCRACY Any doctor that can make people realize that America was literally made to prevent this.
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY
@NOMOREDEMOCRACY 3 ай бұрын
@@jadenbrooks4327 EXACTDAMUNDO !!! EXTRA RATION OF RUM FOR YOU MY INTELLIGENT FRIEND :) GENUFLECT :)
@lindsaygook5550
@lindsaygook5550 3 ай бұрын
Madness in the Supreme Court. Goodbye Cruel World Strewth ! 🤷🤷‍♂️
@MB-ng2rj
@MB-ng2rj 3 ай бұрын
Biden and Obama better give thanks for this ruling...
@7thpilot
@7thpilot 3 ай бұрын
Exactly
@2200Stinger
@2200Stinger 3 ай бұрын
Them and all of the other war criminals, sure.
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
why, they haven't done anything illegal, unlike trump
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
@@catlady443 tell that to the people of Yemen(one of which was a US citizen)
@2200Stinger
@2200Stinger 3 ай бұрын
@@catlady443 They didn't intentionally hit an American with a drone strike in a foreign country without due process? Lol
@radwulfeboraci7504
@radwulfeboraci7504 3 ай бұрын
The word you are looking for is obscene.
@IndianaJake
@IndianaJake 3 ай бұрын
Anybody still believe this crap? Hahaha
@tom-hu6hc
@tom-hu6hc 3 ай бұрын
These people are from China or what?
@Bunbunamor
@Bunbunamor 3 ай бұрын
This court is disgusting.
@ThatLife4U
@ThatLife4U 3 ай бұрын
Outside of not liking the ruling, explain your comment
@Marshall_Stacks
@Marshall_Stacks 3 ай бұрын
@@ThatLife4U They are dragging their feet with this delay and egregious nonsense when everyone knows trump is guilty. They are in the bag for Trump. How hard is this for you to understand ?!?
@northernbohemianrealist
@northernbohemianrealist 3 ай бұрын
Such a mark of professionalism - ending videos with bearded hipster Russert yell at us from the men's room.
@Randal-Flagg
@Randal-Flagg 3 ай бұрын
Arsonists are now fully in charge of the fire department. We are truly living "Fahrenheit 451."
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
False equivalency
@siegfread9683
@siegfread9683 3 ай бұрын
​@@alwayzchillin0714how so? Cause from what I can see what is personal and what is presidential business has been left intentionally vague which means that it's up to the courts to decide. Ultimately meaning the supreme Court gets to pick and choose what behavior can be prosecuted. A heavily liberal supreme Court could mean that a Republican could be tried for legitimate business that runs a foul of normal law and a Democrat could quite literally get away with murder. This ruling more or less means whoever controls the supreme Court controls where presidential power begins and ends.
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
@@siegfread9683 Again, the SCOTUS only interprets the laws already written and deems whether it is Constitutional or not, they do not write laws, that is Congress, they would decide whether something was “an official duty” or not.
@siegfread9683
@siegfread9683 3 ай бұрын
@@alwayzchillin0714 no the courts would. Unless you expect Congress to write a law every time a new edge case comes up.
@weinbergfahrer4048
@weinbergfahrer4048 3 ай бұрын
How can a convicted criminal be on the presidential ballot at all ?
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
Because the charges are shenanigans to begin with, that’s why no one’s buying it.
@markdavis9510
@markdavis9510 3 ай бұрын
Definitely a blue news agency.
@michaelwaterman6122
@michaelwaterman6122 3 ай бұрын
What are you going to do about it
@rude1527
@rude1527 3 ай бұрын
First red hats. Than Trump flags Now black robes trigger the liberals
@JohnMoseley
@JohnMoseley 3 ай бұрын
If you think that's all this is, you're just as ill-informed as I'd expect a MAGA to be.
@KrytenKoro
@KrytenKoro 3 ай бұрын
...y'all did Jan 6. It's not "triggering", we're just acknowledging the evidence of our eyes.
@rude1527
@rude1527 3 ай бұрын
​​@@KrytenKoroare you forgetting 100 days of riots by liberals?
@zalronwow7222
@zalronwow7222 3 ай бұрын
Biden stays in, they will be rainbow robes.
@BlastOutWEST
@BlastOutWEST 3 ай бұрын
It isn't a new decision and SCOTUS is only stating laws that are already in place based on this case. He will still be accountable for anything unofficial.
@Miathiren
@Miathiren 3 ай бұрын
Your wasting your time trying to explain anything to these people, it's like trying to teach a monkey algebra
@sandyradford5248
@sandyradford5248 3 ай бұрын
Trump thinks the plan of the fake electors is official business.
@IrmaVargas-rb1mu
@IrmaVargas-rb1mu 3 ай бұрын
Get over it msnbc so sad to be sore losers
@kathyweis7451
@kathyweis7451 3 ай бұрын
Long live King and Queen Biden....
@michaelbriganti
@michaelbriganti 3 ай бұрын
@@kathyweis7451 Calm down Karen.
@georgehamm5224
@georgehamm5224 3 ай бұрын
The biggest and greatest losers isn't MSNBC , it's our Country itself and one day it will even cause that smile to disappear off your face.... Be careful what you ask for.
@anguselliott8986
@anguselliott8986 3 ай бұрын
They said about the same in Germany when their democracy fell.
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
@@michaelbriganti well we certainly can't have a king Trump. the country would disintegrate in a year
@graemej2599
@graemej2599 3 ай бұрын
From my viewpoint in Australia, it seems to me that the Founding Fathers should have stayed tied to the British Legal System, and not try to invent their own. American justice seems just as impotent as the other totalitarian dictatorships that exist around the world.
@datpat8776
@datpat8776 3 ай бұрын
Time for, "Dark Brandon" to Play hardball and use the Power that the Court has given him in order to protect Democracy.
@piratelechuck1911
@piratelechuck1911 3 ай бұрын
He needs a few more braincells than what is available.
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
Dork bRaNdoN
@Bicbawsaq
@Bicbawsaq 3 ай бұрын
You actually have to to impeach presidents for such acts then they can be tried and they already impeached trump for this and voted not to indict so no, dork brandon can't order assassination. You're now on a list though
@asongfromunderthefloorboards
@asongfromunderthefloorboards 3 ай бұрын
They won't for the same reason that the "good cop" in the routine isn't actually looking to protect you from the "bad cop". They have the same goal.
@jaygosev3589
@jaygosev3589 3 ай бұрын
If the "power" you claim is available for Brandon to use, HE WOULD. In a second.
@jacquelinekeddy6212
@jacquelinekeddy6212 3 ай бұрын
Time and time again there has been shockers from the norm then 2 months sown the road all is forgotten PATHETIC
@floydhutcherson1732
@floydhutcherson1732 3 ай бұрын
Looks like 28% of you should start packing. Go on..get!
@TheHauntedKiwi
@TheHauntedKiwi 3 ай бұрын
@@floydhutcherson1732 Republicans are not human beings. Do not treat them like they are.
@Marshall_Stacks
@Marshall_Stacks 3 ай бұрын
Trump idiots?
@Connie25v
@Connie25v 3 ай бұрын
Majority decision
@ronabitz5156
@ronabitz5156 3 ай бұрын
All a President that us ordering an act that he can not be prosecuted for but his Cabinet Secretary can be needed to do is issue a pardon for ir.
@zalronwow7222
@zalronwow7222 3 ай бұрын
"I don't know what he just said, and I don't think he does either."
@michaelbriganti
@michaelbriganti 3 ай бұрын
@@zalronwow7222 Exactly. LOL!!!!!
@j.thomas7128
@j.thomas7128 3 ай бұрын
Biden supporters sound just as incoherent as Biden at a debate!
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
you don't even realize what this really means. As long as the supreme court is on his side, they will do whatever he wants. Got it now?
@j.thomas7128
@j.thomas7128 3 ай бұрын
@@catlady443 You don't even know how wrong you are: learn something! Article II, Section 3: He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States. The doctrine of executive privilege defines the authority of the President to withhold documents or information in his possession or in the possession of the Executive Branch from the Legislative or Judicial Branch of the government. While the Constitution does not expressly confer upon the Executive Branch any such privilege, the Supreme Court has held that executive privilege derives from the constitutional separation of powers and from a necessary and proper concept respecting the carrying out of the duties of the presidency imposed by the Constitution.1 Although there are various and distinct components to executive privilege,2 the privilege’s foundation lies in the proposition that in making judgments and reaching decisions, the President and his advisors must be free to discuss issues candidly, express opinions, and explore options without fear that those deliberations will later be made public.3 Conceptually, the doctrine of executive privilege may well reflect different considerations in different factual situations. Congress may seek information within the possession of the President in the course of exercising its investigatory powers;4 government prosecutors may seek information in the course of investigating and prosecuting crimes;5 and private parties may seek information in the possession of the President for use as evidence in either a criminal or civil proceeding.6 In all of these contexts, the courts have generally assessed any asserted privilege by weighing the President’s need for confidentiality against the interests of the party seeking the information.7 Today, it is apparent that executive privilege is qualified rather than absolute. For the vast majority of U.S. history, however, the existence and appropriate scope of the privilege was uncertain and nearly untouched by the courts.8 Chief Justice John Marshall referred to the confidentiality of presidential communications in Marbury v. Madison and during the treason trial of former Vice President Aaron Burr,9 but in neither instance [ ] was Marshall forced to definitively decide whether such a presidential privilege existed and if so, in what form.10 In fact, the judiciary’s involvement in addressing the privilege’s use in resisting disclosure in the face of either judicial or legislative subpoenas did not begin in earnest until the 1970s and the Administration of Richard Nixon.11 Prior to the Nixon era, executive privilege’s contours were defined, if at all, by historical practice and the actions and interpretations of Congress and the President. And with little further explication coming from the Supreme Court since, the Nixon era remains the defining era of judicial consideration of the privilege.
@72stones43
@72stones43 3 ай бұрын
When I have more sense than Supreme Court judges.
@galaxy-star-me
@galaxy-star-me 3 ай бұрын
You are nuts as I bet that you never read the verdict!
@UncleFred-mb4eq
@UncleFred-mb4eq 3 ай бұрын
You don’t.
@PassportBrosBusinessClass
@PassportBrosBusinessClass 3 ай бұрын
I hope you all read the story of THE EMPEROR'S NEW CLOTHES. In that story, was an emperor who was forced to believe he had invisible clothes because people who couldn't see them were unfit for office and not smart. The emperor's hands were forced to believe he had invisible clothes because they themselves might be seen as unfit for office and not smart. It wasn't until the emperor came out to show off to the townspeople that a child shouted out his nakedness. Everyone realized immediately the child was right and they themselves decried the emperor's nudity. Sometimes it's possible to have so many sycophants and liars from behind protection that the truth and reality escape you. But eventually it all comes crashing down.
@HotChronicles
@HotChronicles 3 ай бұрын
Time for the dems to have another meltdown 😂
@catlady443
@catlady443 3 ай бұрын
Not a meltdown. Just out vote the Republicans, Massively. You really do forget ultra conservatives -only make up 1/3 of the country. !/2 is Dems and the rest are a mix of undecides and tea party. there are a lot more of us than you. And Trump has Zero of the top 100 of forbes because they decided he was insane.
@Noreb
@Noreb 3 ай бұрын
dems = everyone who isnt a maga cultist apparently..
@johnmott5653
@johnmott5653 3 ай бұрын
This will only matter if Trump wins. He will not! We Americans know he is a Criminal. The majority of the Electorate will vote for Joe! Americans are sick of this foolish banter and want it stop.
@waverideraus4882
@waverideraus4882 3 ай бұрын
But the ruling will still stand as a beacon to draw the next hungry mob boss that wants a slice of it. Any future president could be corrupted by this power regardless of party. This is not a one off ruling.
@Miathiren
@Miathiren 3 ай бұрын
Well according to the poles the majority is voting for Trump
@MCJSA
@MCJSA 3 ай бұрын
When constitutions become broken and unworkable they are rewritten. Since 1789, France has had 13 constitutions, or 16 depending on how you count, four of those in the 20th century. Constitutional crises are common in democratic states. Our constitution has lasted 250 years because it is well-designed for our needs, until yesterday.
@mjcmustang
@mjcmustang 3 ай бұрын
First of all, we are NOT a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. Secondly, read ArtII.S3.5.1 Presidential Immunity to Suits and Official Conduct Since you claim this is dismantling the constitution
@2200Stinger
@2200Stinger 3 ай бұрын
Hahaha! “The Government(s) of France since 1789 are the standard we should be holding for proper governance” Thank you for confirming you have no idea what you’re talking about and just found some statistic to throw into the comment in an attempt to prove your asinine point.
@MCJSA
@MCJSA 3 ай бұрын
@@mjcmustang Yeah. A 'constitutionl republic' like North Korea? Spouting MAGA nonsense like true Putinista.
@MCJSA
@MCJSA 3 ай бұрын
@@2200Stinger Bruh! Counting to 13 is not statistics. It's first grade math. Where have you been?
@lostbutfreesoul
@lostbutfreesoul 3 ай бұрын
Other countries didn't create a system designed to make changes near impossible. Nor do they have a Supreme Court that would nullify a law.... That is something to keep in mind, many times Congress passes an act or the likes... the Supreme Court gets called in to swat it down. It doesn't matter what that act is attempting to do, nor how much of the constitution you can point to as 'grounds to create such acts.' All it takes is a single corrupt court beholden to rich donors can nullify even the constitution itself. Case in point: The 14th Amendment has a massive hole right now, where a whole paragraph of text used to be. Instead of accepting that the framers of the 14th clearly intended something for this line of text... they ruled it as doing nothing *until Congress Clerifies.* What other Countries' Supreme Court has the power to nullify lines of a Constitution on the grounds 'Who could understand what Congress intended without clarification?' Also keep in mind: They know this congress is Gridlocked, but they still demand a Super Majority and Constitutional Changes. Which, if you read their opinion, they still want power to Nullify if they do not like it...!
@rileybrown7688
@rileybrown7688 3 ай бұрын
Vote Blue to get rid of trump for good!!
@UncleFred-mb4eq
@UncleFred-mb4eq 3 ай бұрын
Go do your homework Riley. Mommy says no more KZbin.
@al-paciyes5722
@al-paciyes5722 3 ай бұрын
Libs having a total meltdown.... priceless
@Marshall_Stacks
@Marshall_Stacks 3 ай бұрын
Oh, really? I bet you're not even old enough to vote and have your mom's phone right now. Be honest.
@krazzylion4135
@krazzylion4135 3 ай бұрын
"THE Q'ANON SUPREME CULT"
@TruthPrevails89
@TruthPrevails89 3 ай бұрын
⬆️🤡🤡🤡
@drew4HIM
@drew4HIM 3 ай бұрын
The ONLY way forward @ this stage, is to inform millions and be @ the Voting station this Nov, to Vote BLUE & Save OUR Country, OUR Democracy, OUR Virtues & Values, OUR Lives are worth so much more than this EVIL CHAOS! OUR Vote/Fight and OUR Preparation NEEDS to be top to bottom, we know the rep will LIE AGAIN about the results
@alwayzchillin0714
@alwayzchillin0714 3 ай бұрын
Buying into the fear they’re pushing I see. Get real, you have lost your mind.
@billjoe613
@billjoe613 3 ай бұрын
only evil I see doing is from the leftist neo cons.
@billjoe613
@billjoe613 3 ай бұрын
cope harder
@somedaybythesea3748
@somedaybythesea3748 3 ай бұрын
Nope. Voting for President Trump to save America
@drew4HIM
@drew4HIM 3 ай бұрын
@@somedaybythesea3748 I do hope you will seek TRUTH, repeated Lies are so deceptive, to the point you think they true
@MauiWowie51
@MauiWowie51 3 ай бұрын
isn't it the worst when the courts wont unjustly prosecute your political rivals?
@KrytenKoro
@KrytenKoro 3 ай бұрын
Do you seriously not get that this ruling allows Biden to legally prosecute his political rivals?
@phillyrocks3847
@phillyrocks3847 3 ай бұрын
Imagine voting for a kid sniffer.
@winterslideride
@winterslideride 3 ай бұрын
This sounds more like the view than news, 🤯
@Thistaken2
@Thistaken2 3 ай бұрын
​@@KrytenKoro No it doesn't! Biden was already prosecuting his political opponent hence why they had to have this ruling which was established in 1887.
@phillyrocks3847
@phillyrocks3847 3 ай бұрын
@@KrytenKoro He already is prosecuting his rivals
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