Jehovah's Witness convention finale glosses over big problems

[@EmilySolem-Davis]

Kind of feel like I’m attending more of a mega church than a convention with this song.

[@chrissapp9243]

Yes! That's it, I think that's what I felt too. Only they don't have quite enough money for good songwriters

[@B.W-k8k]

@@chrissapp9243, Well, they do have George Benson and Larry Graham as members. Perhaps they could hire them?

[@Lucian47]

Which mega church have you been to? The one I've been to It's like a concert, drums, base guitars, live singers even dancers at times.. Did you see this at the convention? Explain in what way does it correlate to the mega church you have been to because it's nothing like the one I have been to before?

[@B.W-k8k]

@@Lucian47, Well, megachurches do tend to be more Evangelical and have high energy worship services, and I think that this song has a bit higher energy to it. The Watch Tower Society, in my opinion, still sucks when it comes to hymn writing. Protestant African American churches of any denomination or predominately Black Protestant Christian denominations do pretty well at that. They can make you want to tap your toes and imbue their songs with a strong message of freedom and liberation, not just in the afterlife but in this life too. Black interpretations of Christianity differ considerably from White expressions of the Christian faith.

[@teddydennis6989]

When you order a Disney soundtrack CD from Wish.

[@AlyssaIrvine]

Temu Watchtower

[@eileenjoycemomsen3568]

😂😂😂

[@diana7915]

@@AlyssaIrvine😂😂

[@dianeprovost7224]

Or, you ask for video footage from the USA [(sold out to google (?)] Lol

[@Mary-t2p6p]

I don’t know what they’re tryin to pull off here, they took a hard left to Jesus now. 🎶🎶You hardly heard about Jesus way back. Talk to the old timers, they’ll tell you what the deal is. They’ve completely buried their history. Children of the lie now. It’s crazy.

[@kevinerosa]

Definitely not the cult I grew up in. (80s and 90s) its extra culty now. 😂😂

[@joeyelfather25]

😂😂😂😂

[@barrettleigh5118]

It was culty then too…we just didn’t know, as we were inside.

[@PierreBlain-tr3hg]

Indeed!

[@Lucian47]

What is culty about it now?

[@kevinerosa]

@Lucian47 "The government body has decided (insert new light)..." Maybe I'm not remembering, but it used to be God's word, not the GB. Also, the videos come off as very impersonal and culty. A flying angel at the end of the video? Really?

[@Angie-ht2gi]

The final song literally made me throw up in my mouth , 10 years disfellowshipped and Still triggered. The delusion of this organization is so wildly crazy. Excellent points as always Lloyd

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

Damn baby, you pretty fine😊 What area you in ?

[@leetrippii1830]

So true

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@Angie-ht2gi the org maybe but not all the peeps. Your fine

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@leetrippii1830 u Trippin 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@shiftyourmindset2]

if someone who is dead for 50 years came back in this period he/she would definately lso throw up and yell: apostates

[@vanoramoon674]

They have their winged angel, can I have cherubs now? Emotion... A "Hallmark" moment.

[@abductor12]

Absolutely disgusting everything he accuses his lying government does… and defending not handing over documents to the police is a big red flag!!

[@CarlStJohn-x9w]

Beware of false prophets you will know them by their fruits. So very sad. You just can't help some people 😢.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

Great comment, people do need to be aware that these people claiming to help others like Floyd here are making money and are no different than what they rail against

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

But i do think we can help these lost people on KZbin looking to find Jehovah again.

[@B.W-k8k]

@@AndrewJackson-j5l, Actually, Floyd's name is Lloyd.

[@B.W-k8k]

@@AndrewJackson-j5l, If Jehovah wants me to find him, he can reveal himself to me. After all, he should know better than to ever allow fallible human beings to speak for him.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@B.W-k8k so your not an EXJW because if you were , you would know that answer. “Hey Alexa, tell me you love me every morning “. Whats the point? Free will, consciousness matter

[@jtstanway4537]

The music is designed to suck the soul out of you and to lull you to sleep....the way the music declined in any soul or emotion should have been my first wake up call lol

[@54spatula]

2:27; The way, the truth, the lies! (Fits much better)

[@tomilheirobarbalho6117]

Good job Evan’s!!

[@Ballykeith]

Evans the ex-Jehovah's Witness expositor.

[@Lovealwayswins1]

Thank you Lloyd!!! As usual you deliver

[@dalet9841]

I have a picture of my mom walking around with a big sign on her that was 1935

[@barrettleigh5118]

Wow!!! My Great Grandmother was too. …and brought upon every dysfunction along With it

[@SunnyDays1914]

Yup, my Mom would be weeping through this last song of the Convention. Ugh. 😩

[@adobahbotchway]

Wow... Watchtower christmas song 🎵

[@elizabethyoung4900]

Great historical information as always Lloyd, thank you for consistently raising these issues that HQ see fit to hide from the rank and file JW's

[@donnyetta]

Thanks Lloyd. The "rousing songs" were a bit too Disney for me. They played a Disney version song at my mum's funeral and everyone looked 🙄 at me when I expressed my disdain 😂

[@universeworld1782]

Very triggering! But it tells about the lie!!! And what the truth is about the lies of the Governing Body! I fo not watch a lot of podcasts anymore, but yours are short and to the point! To be honest I moved the needle forwards to avoid most of the really untasteful song! There is a lot to say about 140million births each year, and a few thousand baptised each year with over 100,000 being disfellowshipped or just walking away!

[@maycowelding]

Thanks Lloyd 😊

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I wonder what were the angles doing when a female J-Dub was hit by a car and killed while preaching in Puerto Rico.

[@RoberthSagdahl]

They have sleeping time.😅

[@Lucian47]

Read your Bible and see angels don't step in at every situation. Unless you athiests like Lloyd too and don't believe in the Bible

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

@@Lucian47: But “God protects his people”?? All seems so mythical doesn’t it? And why are “angels” blocked by Communist and Islamic regimes? And why aren’t there any visible manifestations of angels like there were in bible accounts, thousands of years ago? Could it be that science, higher education and technology prevent them from showing up ?? Maybe it’s all the human generated RM, radio magnetic radiation that’s zapping all around us that’s interfering …

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

@@Lucian47 - That's very convenient. When something good happens, Angels get the credit. When something bad happens, Satan gets the blame. When God allows bad things to happen, he works in mysterious ways. It's nice to be in a position in which you can never lose.

[@B.W-k8k]

@@Lucian47, Actually, yes, I am an atheist and no I don't believe in the Bible. Angels may not step in to help out with every situation, but there perhaps are situations where they should step in if they exist. It would be nice if they did something to help a starving child in any part of the world. If they protected homeless folk, trans folk and Black folk from being physically assaulted and murdered by hatemongers. There are so many things that angels could help out with.

[@Gsjehrwhjjrr]

The leader of north korea has free internet. his people do not. there is something that resembles the internet for a small group of people. but everything on it is controlled by the state.

[@Aiken47]

I’m 56 and still no paradise- I was never supposed to get to 20 in this “system”

[@lisajane4330]

That's what I was told too & I'm now 44

[@golddredgewater]

Have some patience people

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@Aiken47 now you have some relevant criticism. I do wish the GB would get off there tushes on this matter.

[@B.W-k8k]

@@golddredgewater, Well, one can only have so much patience. After all, we all die sometime. Irrespective of whether or not there is life after death, our time in this life in finite. No one has ever come back from the dead and told anyone about it that we know or can verify. Do you know anyone who has stayed dead for, oh let's say, 100 years and then came back to talk about it? Those JWs in those archival videos were no doubt all told that Armageddon was coming " very soon" in their lifetimes, and most of them are probably dead by now and have been for some time.

[@redhotpanicgirl]

I'm 55 and wasn't supposed to graduate high school before Armageddon came. Um, still waiting..................

[@carenhughan4760]

They make out they are not like any other churches. But I feel that isn't quite so true. I wonder if they are changing who God is. Because they seem to be talking about jesus more. I've also noticed that they are not entirely honest about their history

[@B.W-k8k]

@carenhughan4760, The Witnesses, as much as they might like to insist that they aren't, they're really no different from most other conservative Christian denominations. They seem to have more in common with conservative Evangelical Protestantism than they probably think they do.

[@Gsjehrwhjjrr]

Thanks ❤

[@RoberthSagdahl]

Perfect christmas song.🤠

[@heatherhays7345]

I was thinking the same! Reminds me of something you’d hear on a Christmas CD!

[@nicolacook1404]

I am a bit confused by the line in the song, ‘Jesus is born’. It makes it sound like he has been born recently. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

[@MartianTony]

Yea I thought that was weird too…

[@AlyssaIrvine]

All of this is confusing let's be honest 😂

[@fLUKEYdNb]

Yes, most important is that He is Risen

[@redhotpanicgirl]

Yep!

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

The "ring of water" is a nice explanation, though.

[@saralee7627]

They just cannot see it can they!

[@Lucian47]

See what... Explain?

[@saralee7627]

@@Lucian47 how they are all being hoodwinked by the governing body

[@B.W-k8k]

@@Lucian47, For example, does Geoffrey Jackson not see how much he looks like Bunsen Honeydew?

[@Borinquena1973]

Perfect for around the xmas tree! To think that I used to sob in the convention when these songs will come out. It feels you with so much hope and so much drama, especially when the damn Angel comes out of heaven and looks like he’s protecting you.

[@anniferplodd]

If we had not woken up, and know what we now know, this would actually have been quite uplifting.

[@DietlindeJanssen]

They,re experts in emotional manipulation. Songs and texts. Thank you Lloyd❤

[@Spicychickenwing11]

Also why are black people NEVER portrayed in their old Bible videos and why are their angels and Jehovah himself depicted as white?😅😅

[@Queenolgi1]

And why are their angels and Jehovah never depicted as women? This is misogynistic!

[@Queenolgi1]

In almost every watchtower is a black man depicted. It is just a COLOUR!!! YOU ARE NOT THAT SPECIAL!

[@B.W-k8k]

@@Queenolgi1, If you're talking about the 144,000 anointed...well, if you didn't depict them in the Society's literature, then they probably would be misogynistic because some of them are allegedly supposed to be women.

[@B.W-k8k]

@Spicychickenwing11, Because we Black people are apparently cursed because of Ham for either having engaging in incest with or for having raped his father or for seeing daddy in the nude, don't you know. We haven't lightened in our skin tone enough yet. Even though many Black International Bible Students and Black Jehovah's Witnesses adhere to the Watch Tower Society's dogma as best they can...and they still haven't become fairer skinned. Apparently, they, and the rest of us, just can't make the grade apparently. Damn, and I always wanted to know if I would look like as a white woman with green eyes, freckles and long, flowing, freshly combed red hair.

[@eileenjoycemomsen3568]

Sounds like a Christmas Disney Song.😅

[@Eric_01]

I had to just skip through the song. I seriously can't handle that sh!t. The degree with which these conventions and their general tone have become absolutely unrecognizable is astonishing, and in only 20 years' time. It was always boring, but this whole strange, slow manner of speaking as if to a room of children at all times seems new. And they ALL do it, so it's clearly from direction. Except, Lett, who has his own hybrid speaking and shoe-shuffle issues, or Morris, never talked like that. They seemed candid, but Gag Fleegle sounds like a Stepford robot. I'm forever bewildered at what keeps my family tied to this nonsense.

[@gcsoulsurfer5660]

Just watched the intro to this video. That was enough for me. Free since 2007. But still get haunted even now. Lost many "friends " and "family" because of this crazy religion.

[@Antlil2023]

Thank you ❤️

[@moshimedlin-sw6ov]

I hate when they bring their kids with them too. Moshi

[@BiagioDAndrea-j9d]

OPEN YOUR EYES JW ! Osea 4:6 Il mio popolo perisce per mancanza di conoscenza. Poiché tu hai sdegnata la conoscenza, anch' io sdegnerò d'averti per sacerdote; giacché tu hai dimenticata la legge del tuo Dio, anch' io dimenticherò i tuoi figliuoli.

[@putnik805]

All those people from black and white movies are gone now, but they expected to live forever after Armageddon that was just around the corner

[@B.W-k8k]

@putnik805, Probably so. And the same might happen for the Bethelites and other types of Witnesses who appear in the Society's videos in our present day.

[@securitycameras341]

Doomsday cult 1914, 1918, 1925 Millions know living WILL never die. 1975 Overlapping generation Hey what could go wrong? Why are angels always white?

[@infrasleep]

I feel very let down. I was waiting avidly for a Jade and Nita update and video .

[@Ballykeith]

They disassociated on announcing their engagement, but they're not going to show us this development.

[@redhotpanicgirl]

@@Ballykeith LOL

[@mightycirus]

the angel at the end is just to much how he’s flapping the wings is just so cheesy

[@gioba4912]

uhm, Ezekiel 36 onwards is being fulfilled and no one is mentioning it???

[@Batise]

I thought the angles flying to earth were seagulls...Probably would have been more beneficial if they had been.

[@kevink2593]

All this emotion, all this drama...you bet it's evangelical. Once upon a time, JWs used to present themselves as an EDUCATIONAL organization (as I recall in Mexico, at least in the past, they HAD to register as educational and not religious because of the Catholic church). In any case, they sure have strayed far afield, from "preaching and teaching" to non-stop maximum distracting.

[@B.W-k8k]

@kevink2593, "Educational". Punishing people for questioning religious doctrinal concepts is hardly educational. Education is supposed to get you to think and ask hard questions--questions that should be up for debate. JWs and Evangelical Christians have more in common than they think they do.

[@kevink2593]

@@B.W-k8k Be certain, the "education" consists of free indoctrination; Witnesses are strongly discouraged from independent Bible study without the "help" of Watchtower Society books and magazines. With the JW GB, there is no doubt, no debate, only obedience, with any resistance met by accusations of apostasy and the certainty of expulsion.

[@badger1296]

OMG, the video is sooooooo culty! 😲

[@Chris-zh1ff]

Not a cult at all

[@halfhumanhalfzombie]

​@@Chris-zh1ffBeing in an organization that separates themselves from government influences makes them a cult.

[@badger1296]

@@Chris-zh1ff Your comment can be either sardonic or ernest. 🤔

[@B.W-k8k]

@@Chris-zh1ff, I don't really use the word "cult", though I still see the JW faith as problematic in many respects.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@halfhumanhalfzombiecuz the govt knows best ! Thanks for that Comrade Stalin. Another KZbin genius

[@kalasatwater2224]

They sound and look more and more like the one they call Babylon

[@ricksanchez9669]

Any other ex jws find the cult propaganda weirdly soothing? It makes it even more disturbing somehow. Some of it recently is just too cringey, but occasionally a video will tickle my brain in a way that's almost nostalgic. The music especially.

[@Eric_01]

I'm not getting that feeling. Maybe it has to do with how long you're out. I really can't reflect on any of it with fondness, even the time I spent with friends. Knowing now how quickly they abandoned me, twice, because I was DFd on two occasions, just tells me how much of an acquaintance of convenience I ever was.

[@georgesotiroff5080]

The music is rather more like 3rd rate Broadway production than like some mega church.

[@PaulandConstanceOLSEN-lr5jj]

Oh, I don’t think angels really need to flap wings to move! Nor do I think they live on a cloud!

[@CharlotteCC68]

I am shoked how dumbed down and cringe it has become !

[@lukewarmninja9767]

My head canon is angel wing color matches hair color. Gives a break from all angels having white wings.

[@jacksonfurlong3757]

Orchestra doing all the heavy lifting here, the lyrics can't stand on their own

[@chrissapp9243]

Wow their recent music really, just... I don't have the word for just how bad it sucks. Just nauseating. I mean at least the old songs didn't sound like a state Mandated North Korean Communist Praise song. Good grief that was a bad song! 🤮

[@exploatores]

Have who ever wrote the Lyrics and came up with the music can´t have comunicated. a text that any moron can remember. but the tone is a bit high for most or is practising a in a choir a big part of being in JW.

[@haynehifanny8006]

Wow! What really interested me among other things is the video of JW old peddlers of their old lies that have been discarded in these modern times.

[@TheHudsonValleyWanderer]

Angels flying around? Were they on break when the bombs went off in India or the shooting in Germany?

[@craigclark8655]

So triggering that I skipped past it to your comments. 🤣🤣 I couldn’t take it anymore

[@mvwmark8955]

Good luck converting Novak Djokovic @ 2:02

[@hanneivanovic2465]

Sooo glad to be out,my poor parents are still waiting for armageddon nearly 70 years,agter they were told it was just around the corner ,dont bother to buy new comforters for your beds.

[@jonheredia8789]

Everything is looking like a commercial venture with the watchtower society

[@LibrePensador12]

Love that song ❤

[@neverperching1554]

All this preaching and cameras just happened to be present at the right moment. TEMU Disney.

[@annasmith8180]

Its still so strange seeing a brother in stage with a goatee

[@GreenHotDogz]

Christ is born?! What?!

[@redhotpanicgirl]

Right?! What!?! Goes against everything I was taught as a born-in and feels totally born again evangelical. It is truly hard to distinguish JW from any other religion and that was not the case when I was a young girl.

[@putnik805]

Flying glowing bearded man what the hell.

[@woketointelofjws6670]

Its just a big money making racket to keep money coming in. 😢

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

Yup, these KZbin channels are endless. Have u seen the video talking about Lloyd and the sex workers ?

[@yolandahernandez9154]

Who were we to fallow,? Proverbs 8 : 36 . For the one finding me will certainly find Life . And gets goodwill from Yahweh .! 36 . But the one missing me is doing Violence to his soul , and all those intensely hating me are the ones that that do love death . Who was the first we heard the word From ,? Hebrew 13 : 7 . Remember those who are taking the Lead among you , Who have spoken the word of God To you . Whom did Yahweh Revealed the word, ? John 12 . 38 . So that the word of Isaiah the prophet. Was fulfilled which he said : “ Yahweh, who has not put faith in the thing heard “ by us ? And as for the arm Of Yahweh, In whom has it been Revealed. The Bible writers, “not watchtower “ We should pay carefully to the word . Happy is anyone observing the Word of the prophesy of this scroll . Thats how we get True lite . . Revelation 22 : 7.

[@MM-dv9hp]

I can’t wait for their version of gospel rap…🤨

[@jeredlawday4015]

Honestly I thought the beginning was a young Bruce Wayne.😅

[@leetrippii1830]

Funny, they showed a time when they did nothing to help with civil rights.

[@cl509]

Question to Lloyd.....has a JW ever held a government poaition ...elected ? Despite their policy .

[@B.W-k8k]

@cl509, No, but Hayden Covington, the Society's lawyer, also worked as a lawyer for Mohammad Ali. Dwight Eisenhower who was raised as an International Bible Student by his mother, became president of the United States. I think there was an Australian politician who was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, that was elected to office, but he wasn't baptized as a formal member of the denomination, but he also did not completely reject all belief in the faith either.

[@cl509]

@@B.W-k8k thank you !!!

[@Nawa_couture]

Anyone from Kenya..i need friends

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

So Pretty Boy Lloyd what Grande Problemas were Glossed over ? You sort of got lost j feel

[@B.W-k8k]

@AndrewJackson-j5l, Then you weren't paying attention to his critiques, babe. Yes, Lloyd is a pretty boy, are you? The Watch Tower Society does know how to draw hot dudes in their literature, but the only really pretty, real-life JW guys that I've ever seen but have never met are Prince and Damon Wayans (and Prince is now deceased). I haven't seen many really good-looking JW guys that would make my mouth water. I had to settle for a gorgeous worldly man who didn't grow up religious (and I couldn't have asked for a greater husband if I tried). I guess the Mormons get all the really cute religious guys.

[@LloydEvans]

Never thought I'd get called a "pretty boy", thanks!

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@B.W-k8k they do ! Those are some squared away boys, too bad they dont keep up in the ministry and have that 3rd testament, i like their moxy

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@LloydEvans you are a good looking guy. I grew up with a Floyd, its an easy leap, lol

[@B.W-k8k]

@@AndrewJackson-j5l, Well, the LDS Church has a motto: "Every member is a missionary". They're not all required to go house to house, but informal proselytizing is definitely encouraged. I think Joseph Smith Jr. may have been onto something with creating another testament of Jesus Christ through THE BOOK OF MORMON, which the Latter-day Saints believe was inspired by God and restores truths that were removed from the Bible. He gave people more of a shot at the afterlife and believed that they had a chance at sharing in the divine glory by becoming glorified and divinized after death, that is, if they make it into the Celestial Kingdom after Armageddon and Christ's Millennial Reign. Maybe I write my own Third Testament? JWs and Mormons both believe in Restorationism, the belief that they have restored beliefs and practices that were abandoned or altered after the first century of Christianity came to an end. Both groups were started in North America in the 19th century when America was experiencing major shifts in religious thinking. I think JWs and the LDS Church have a bit more in common than either denomination thinks they do.

[@PierreBlain-tr3hg]

Lloyd, why are you KILLING us subscribers with these miserable songs? WHY?

[@PierreBlain-tr3hg]

You didn't clip it enough! Argh!

[@ShoNuffSoulBro1]

Maybe angels are unable to visibly manifest themselves due to interference & over-saturation of our atmosphere by all the human generated RM, radio magnetic radiation ☢️…🤮…😜

[@CoolBreeze250]

Lloyd, as a former Jehovah's Witness, you should know better than to spew that nonsense about Armageddon. The Bible says at Acts 24:15 that there's going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous. Jehovah knows that some people aren't going to hear the "good news" prior to the destruction of this wicked system of things; however, the unrighteous will be taught Jehovah's laws and standards during the Thousand Year Reign of Christ when Satan will be held bound for that time before being released. (Revelation 20:1-3) When Satan's released, the unrighteous will be tested to see whether they'll remain faithful to Jehovah or not.

[@LloydEvans]

It sounds like you’re clueless about what your own beliefs are supposed to be. The publications are clear that only baptised Jehovah’s witnesses will survive Armageddon (hence the need for a “warning” work). The resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous refers to who gets resurrected after Armageddon, not who gets spared. I much prefer your version of the religion but it is nonetheless wrong and therefore technically “apostate”.

[@B.W-k8k]

@CoolBreeze250, Yes, babe, that's JW theology in a nutshell. However, the Governing Body has said that people might still have a chance at Paradise during the Great Tribulation, but then again, that still says nothing for anyone who is not a believing, baptized, practicing JW when Armageddon strikes.

[@halfhumanhalfzombie]

Cringe JW angel!

[@BillWalters-kx8sw]

Bros wearing a hair piece

[@John75Mulhern]

Singing a song to a God that doesn't exist....laughable and very culty 🙂

[@archieliburd3794]

BROTHERMAN, FIRST OF ALL, AFTER ALL YOUR NONSENSICAL RAMBLINGS ABOUT 1914, this and 1914 that, and 1925 this and 1925, that, have you ever read Habakkuk 2 v 3? It says, FOR THE VISION IS YET FOR AN APOINTED TIME, BUT AT THE END IT WILL SPEAK AND IT WILL NOT LIE. EVEN IF IT SHOULD DELAY, KEEP IN EXPECTATIONS OF IT, FOR IT WILL WITHOUT FAIL COME TRUE. ( EVEN if it should delay, keep in EXPECTATIONS OF it) Clearly you don't believe in God that he knows how to get things done. Do you know that while Fidel Castro was alive and ruling, there were still actually over 100,000 JEHOVAH WITNESSES in Cuba? If you throw a couple of bunnies in the bushes, before you know it, there are thousands of bunnies running around in the bushes. In 2018 the Russians seized all the Kingdom halls and branch offices in Russia, so do you think there are less Jehovah witnesses in Russia now than there were in 2018? NOT BY A LONG SHOT. You just can not stop JEHOVAH ORGANISATION. ( Acts 5 v 38 and 39) EVEN if the good news Don't reach to everyone in North Korea, that is where the Melenial rule come in. YOU AND SATAN, AND ALL HIS HUMAN SERPENTS ON KZbin WIL BE BOUNDED AND THROWN IN A BOTTOMLESS PIT FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, SO YOU CAN NO LONGER DECEIVE THE WORLD.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

My man ! You literally broke his channel with that. Im always shocked at these money making people who claim to be EX but know nothing about what we teach. Preach on Brother, your very encouraging

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

If i wasn’t going to stumble a few sensitive sisters and brothers id share your comments. Beautiful. And i love my sensitive sis/bros, we need that contingent as well as yours.

[@B.W-k8k]

@@AndrewJackson-j5l, And if they do get stumbled because of their sensitivity, well, isn't that more their issue to deal with, rather than yours?

[@B.W-k8k]

@archieliburd3794, No, I don't believe in God, but I think he could come about with a better plan than the one JWs and most other Christians think he has in store. As for the Watch Tower Society's date setting for the Apocalypse concerning years 1914, 1925, 1975 etc., and what have you--that's the problem, babe. The Society kept predicting when they thought the end of the world would come, and when it did not, they would then blame the average JW for getting too excited about it. Well, who suggested that idea to them in the first place? And those suggestions affected the choices that real-life people made, that's not a small issue. These weren't dates that the average Witness came up and just ran with independently like some out-of-control conspiracy theory. So, what if there were more than 100,000 JWs in Cuba when Fidel Castro was still living? And so, what if there are more JWs in Russia despite their faith being banned (which I would agree is wrong)? The number of members a religion has does not say anything at all about the truth of any religion's theological claims. If that's the case, then the Roman Catholic Church must be the Biblical God's only true Church as Catholicism has over 1.028 billion baptized members worldwide. So, if most people in North Korea die when Armageddon comes, then that's okay because most of them will likely be resurrected before the Millennial Reign of Christ starts, right? What a way to value human life. If that's how you think, then please don't talk about how you believe human life to be "sacred" as a Jehovah's Witness because it seems to me that you don't even value human existence in this life regardless of whether or not there is an afterlife (and that's, frankly...well, disturbing). And no, it's only Satan and his demonic minions who are cast into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years during Christ's Millennial Reign before they are given the chance to test the resurrected persons to see if they will decide will him or God; then once that happens, Satan, his demons and those resurrected persons will all annihilated by God according to Witness theology. If you don't like the fact that people on the internet are able and allowed to critique your religion or anyone else's (though I doubt you care about that, not that you have to, of course), just as you can express disagreement with anyone else's religion (and we know that the Society does that plenty already through their denominational literature, though I don't take what they say about any other religion at face value, just like I wouldn't accept what they say about their own denomination's faith at face value either), then I guess the only thing to say to you is: you probably should consider the idea of not using the internet at all. Sometimes people are going to express ideas you don't agree with. That's called life, babe. How you respond to that conflict is, I think, what counts. And so far, at least with your above comment, you've really done nothing but make claims of an unfalsifiable impending apocalypse that no one can possibly verify outside of citing the Bible (which to me is not a credible source of evidence or authoritative) and your own say so, and making threats of divine punishment, which I hardly think is going to be persuasive to anyone.

[@B.W-k8k]

@archieliburd3794, But to be fair and not to bite your head off too much, it sounds like you're at least willing (to some extent) to at least listen to the other side of the argument, and that's a good thing, even if you don't agree with what any of us apostates say. It shows that you're not willing to isolate yourself from others' ideas completely. As for the idea of being a human serpent (whatever that is), that would be kind of cool. I always wondered what it would be like to be a hybrid of a human and some non-human animal. I guess a mermaid doesn't count though.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

Shout Out:…. Any of ya’ll out there with bad JW experiences? I get it, but you know its the truth no matter what u tell yourselves. Not all congregations are the same. Get at me, i will use my airline points to fly you to my congregation, all costs on me and you can experience how this is supposed to work, the love you experience is real and you won’t want to go home. Can exchange emails and work on getting you back to Jehovah.

[@B.W-k8k]

@AndrewJackson-j5l, Well, for me, it's not about having bad experiences within the faith, though they aren't fun. I just don't think the Witness faith is true. If Jehovah wants to me to have any kind of relationship with him (if he exists), he can do that by contacting me directly himself. After all, what does an all-powerful deity need a little mortal like you to do his job for him? Oh, and sugar, you really shouldn't be giving out your personal information to total strangers on the internet. That's potentially very dangerous. Now, I may be a mean old evil apostate, but I still wouldn't want to you to end up getting hurt.

[@p0llk4t07]

Gross...

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@B.W-k8k fair enough. I understand. I appreciate the sentiment on giving out my personal info.. Would definitely vet people, before getting them a plane ticket and welcoming them into my home. Although i tend to think of myself as the person others should worry about , its why the John 3:16 took me soo long, how could i ever be forgiven what ive done.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@B.W-k8k oh, forgot to reply to the why part…. Free Will. Its what the science is pointing to as well these days. The fact that we can decode the universe is proof consciousness matters. Without free will aka consciousness then Jehovah just has slaves, the point is the exercise itself.

[@AndrewJackson-j5l]

@@p0llk4t07yeah those Ditty videos are gross

[@Chris-zh1ff]

Jehovahs name endures foreverxxx praise jah yuo people

[@auditordoscientosveintitre5545]

Dictionaries and grammar books don't last forever, but they're more useful. Read them, please.

[@keineahnung74]

hallefuckjah

[@keineahnung74]

So many people wasted their life believing a lie.

[@lungdisease666]

no thanks that cult ruined my fucking life

[@williamdesmarais4931]

Naughty Naughty. Better run to the elders and tell them that you are viewing apostate videos and beg their forgiveness.

[@raceandros5079]

Then after meeting you get drunk, pardon, have an adult beverage🍺🍹🍻🍷self medicate, what have you, because it's food, and 4 ni kate 🔥

[@noone3216]

Me, by the 2min mark: why are you doing this to us, Lloyd..?🥲 Me, at the 3:35 mark: *why are you doing this to us, Lloyd??* 😫