Jehovahs Witnesses- [a destructive cult?] Persecution of a peaceable people

[@swlovesvegans]

awww thanks.. you tooo! i dont think i can leave. one thing i discovered about myself and Jehovah when i was in the world is that i may try to leave Jehovah but he will never leave me. He would always find me.. He is forever in my heart.

[@swlovesvegans]

meee? an example? ;) Thankyou very much. You always have encouraging comments.. I'm happy that you are my sister as well. any knowledge i have is cause of the wonderful schools the organization provides.. we are so fortunante as witnesses. the truth truly does set us free :)

[@swlovesvegans]

"Nowhave come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the ACCUSER of our BROTHERS has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their soul EVEN TO DEATH.."

[@swlovesvegans]

you have the right to feel that way.. We believe that God would not leave his people high and dry in these last days.. so when we recieve blessings obviously we are going to give credit to Jehovah..But that doesnt mean we are perfect.. if we believed we were perfect we would never change our doctrine to adhere to scripture.. this is dangerous and is what happened to the Catholic church. we must remember our imperfections and constantly reevaluate our truth because no one is perfect.

[@swlovesvegans]

your right.. but understand.. these people call us every name in the book..and vicious rumors about people we care about.. how would you feel if someone accused your brother of being a child molester/murderer/satan worshipper/cult/illuminati follower.. what is displayed is human emotion. we are imperfect.. we feel pain, cry, display anger and depression.. we will display these emotions until we are dead or perfect.. its no excuse.

[@swlovesvegans]

UMM no. If the bible never existed and I never heard of Jehovah God or Jesus Christ I would absolutly search for a solution, which today would be war. . your comment makes no sense. slavery.. lol our WORLD is enslaved. Enslaved to poverty, starvation, genocide, death, fear and war. I slave for Jehovah because these people need a hope. You are not better then me because you have different priorities. I'm college educated. I just feel the message of the Kingdom is important.

[@swlovesvegans]

and as far as this pedophilia.. if this is true. Then shame on them. And i would never dare blame a victim and speak harshly about an abuse victim. And if what u say is true. These men will answer to Jehovah. But witnesses dont have their own community. We dont have elder police officers. We dont have detectives. This was a job for the police. what do u want them to do. disfellowship everyone who is accused.. they require proof just like anyother organization.

[@swlovesvegans]

Jehovahs witnesses are not prophets of God. They dont claim to be. They are simply Christians.. the same as the early Christians.. and they had disciples who literally walked with Jesus. Yet still.. some continued to teach the old covenant. The law of God is perfect. His people, are not. hence, correcting error is following the example of the early Christians.

[@swlovesvegans]

David was a murderer, yet i still respect his writings. Paul persucuted Christians in his past.. but he changed.. when someone focuses on the flaws of an imperfect man only confirms the fact that your using propaganda to influence and hide truth. Lame!

[@swlovesvegans]

no.. i see your point. and its wrong.. even Jesus said in the future false Christians would bring error into the Christian congregation.. That happened.. Great error occured. Witnesses had error as well. Thats why the bible says we are "refined." Something that is perfect doesnt need to be refined or guided.. yet, the bible says Christians would..

[@TommieTyler]

this was truly wonderful and thank you for posting it.

[@swlovesvegans]

was rutherford a drunk? was rutherford punished? who knows and who cares.. thats why Jesus is our appointed judge. i have absolute confidence that Jesus is perfectly capable of being a judge and i tend to worry about myself instead of focusing on the flaws of others. i do not wish to hear or read unverified quotes and propaganda. you people are so bitter and negative. its exhausting to deal with.. dont comment back.

[@SpiceHighlander]

I agree with you. It's commendable that Witnesses have been humble enough to change their doctrines. Religious organizations that hang on to falsehoods because they don't want to ever admit they were wrong are reprehensible. You just need to go one step further by not claiming to be what you are not. It would not be wrong for you to claim that you earnestly seek to be guided by scriptures. But let God and Christ make the final judgment about who is the faithful steward when Christ returns.

[@swlovesvegans]

are there any specific misconceptions you would like cleared up in a video? I've wanted to do like a top 10 or something.. but havent had time to ask, or find out...

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

"Have proved to be unerring and unfailing till now."

[@swlovesvegans]

Thats not the only reason i feel its the truth. but, i am proud of what my brothers and sisters did during persecution because it shows me that it is possible for humankind to actually pursue and maintain peace. For some time i thought this was impossible. Witnesses have proven its not impossible. gives me hope for the future of humanity. when Jehovahs witnesses will not exist because all will learn about Jehovah on earth!

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

In disagreement about what? Degree of persecution? Please elaborate. Thanks for your time.

[@brookediamond9818]

yes i am studying with witnesses,lovely people.true christians without a doubt..i get some nasty remarks too.like brainwashed ext.but i don't care what they say about me anymore,i have found truth.they are still being blinded..like sheep without a shepherd..but it is very hard to control emotions.all we can do is keep on trying..oh i thought your video was excellent..take care.

[@swlovesvegans]

You do not intimidate me hun.. Its called mental illness and one out of ten people in the USA have it. Thats why Jesus said the last days would bring, "critical times hard to deal with."Do witnesses refuse to take anti depression medication. NO!! Should i reject Jesus Christ and his message because Judas committed suicide? OF COURSE NOT..

[@brookediamond9818]

this video,was excellent..i am studying the bible with witnesses.i have learned an enormous amount of truth from gods word.they would have to be the most peaceful people i have ever met in my life.and it is rubbing off on me.i am learning to love the god they love.for there is no other like him..and if only people would soften their hearts,and learn about him,i,m sure they would come to love him too.:)

[@jaethomasmusic]

by the same token, how does persecution prove the worthiness or the non-cult status of a religion?

[@rykeerycado6907]

Jesus said that his true followers would be identified by the love they would have among themselves. Sadly, this does not apply to any other organization of worshipers on earth except JW's, all glory goes to Jehovah of course. Jesus also said that those who love the world will be loved by them, and those no part of it will be hated against. To see what people this applies to all you have to do is look at their record and compare it to what the bible says. Very true video. Praise Jehovah God

[@aParadisean]

Not only a very moving video but clearly stated and reasonable. It is clear who is truly dangerous from God's view. Well done.

[@swlovesvegans]

did you watch the video? because if you did your question is answered.

[@jaethomasmusic]

so there are no major news media that have reported about it?

[@bj99ful]

A nicely done video that helps to clear up some misconceptions about JWs.

[@swlovesvegans]

In 1882 Russell wrote "The Bible is our only standard, and its teachings our only creed, and recognizing the progressive character of the unfolding of Scriptual truths, we are ready and prepared to add to or modify our creed[faith, belief[ as we get increase of light from our Standard." WT April 1882 The bible is complete.

[@nhy58]

Thank you Sis..for this video..very interesting!!

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

I will read the article but assuming that the JW's are the most persecuted religion in the 20th century, the persecution aspect has no place in a video which addresses whether the WT is a cult or not. The Jews were persecuted in horrifying numbers, but I don't use that in an argument on whether the Jews belong to a cult or not. Again, I am NOT talking about degree of persecution.

[@swlovesvegans]

I'm curious now.. what are the majority of antiwitnesses?... do they go baptist or Catholic... Church of Latter day saints or Atheist? do you know?

[@SpiceHighlander]

My reason for mentioning 2 Corinthians 5 is that it clearly shows that those of the anointed who are unfaithful will be judged for sins committed while in the body i.e. before their death. How could you not have seen that?

[@jaethomasmusic]

could you answer me? what is an apostate, what does she mean by that word? I do think that she might lack an understanding of human society and current events. She seems to think the world is persecuting her. I don't think that is the case.

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

then we agree, I said that I was not talking about degree. Acts 18:22 refers to the Jews of Rome referring to Paul's new religion as a sect. The WT cannot claim this verse for themselves. All Christians have been persecuted, whether you believe they are "true" christians or not. Are you saying that people who say that the JW's are a cult are persecuting them? If so, then the WT is guilty of exactly the same thing.

[@swlovesvegans]

when i said "i dont know what is truth and what is false.." i was speaking of the events going on today in the world. cause you asked if i keep up with current events around the world. i feel the media is bias and it is often difficult to determine fact from propaganda when it come to USA news reports..

[@swlovesvegans]

this video is about Jehovahs witnesses.. i didnt say anywhere that they are the only ones persecuted, even though i could have included that many Christians were encouraged to fight as Nazi's and even the holocaust encyclopedia talks about the "christian" leaders encouraging the imprisionment of Jehovahs witnesses. But i didnt include that, did I. AND YOUR WRONG.. THOSE PROTEST LED THE THE MOB BEATING OF BROTHERS IN GEORGIA. WATCH THE TAPE.

[@SpiceHighlander]

"when Jehovah is ready to direct us...he does so, not before." I agree 100%. So his spirit should move those he is directing to remain silent on issues about which he has not yet directed them. Lack of direction on a particular doctrinal matter should result in his org being silent on that matter instead of issuing erroneous speculations and assumptions. Jesus did not speak of his own originality but only what his father told him to speak. Would he not require his slave do the same?

[@SpiceHighlander]

Wasn't the NT written by imperfect, spirit directed men? So tell me, which doctrines in NT need correcting? And FYI there are publications written by your organization in which it does claim to be God's prophet and spokesman. Do your research into some of the older publications and you would see.

[@CEEJLESS]

I'm 26, an ex witness, what makes this video sad is it reminds me the witnesses can be nice people, but their beliefs are based on lies, and the threat that if they don't believe what the governing body teaches, they'll be shunned by all family and friends, and then killed at Armageddon. It's devastating to anyone who believes this is the truth, only to find out the deception afterwards. All religions get persecuted, but the people who die, die in vain.

[@swlovesvegans]

Thankyou for that!

[@swlovesvegans]

really because this video has been up for over a month.. today i blocked one person.. after that i recieved 10 plus messages, 7 dislikes and a crap load of comments.. coincidence.. not really

[@swlovesvegans]

being baptised is a serious commitment.. but you studied, you went to meetings, you commented, you went in the ministry, you became a publisher, you gave talks, you asked the brothers to go over the questions, you went over all the beliefs of witnesses, you prayed to Jehovah and dedicated your life to Him, you drove to that assembly, got in that water and was baptised. you disagree with them? what should they do? change the doctrine because you disagree?

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

badge of honor was the wrong phrase to use, you called me out on that and you are correct, my apologies for any offense, but I stand by my other comments, I was not talking about degree of persecution, and it should not be used in an argument against the WT being a cult, persecution has nothing to do with it.

[@swlovesvegans]

of course they changed doctrine. when u discover something is incorrect.. is it wrong to change it? or is it more wrong to not change it? "He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand..." Dan 12:10

[@jaethomasmusic]

how do you know this and what is an apostate to you?

[@susibostudio]

Thank you for this inspiring video. I have done so much research of late, and have come to the conclusion that the Jehovah's Witnesses are true to God and his word the bible. Even reading all the anti JW stuff, makes me believe more and more that this is the true religion, as Satan is really going out of his way to destroy them, the way he did with Jesus, because Jesus was his enemy and a threat to his purpose. More of these truthful videos should be made, thank you once again.

[@swlovesvegans]

if you look below Louis Boulanger comment says what an apostate is. can i say something.. this video was not to attack anyone.. if it offends you, i apologize, seriously. its just not fair that we are labeled a dangerous cult by some. in the same level as Charles Manson, when we activly took a stand against war and did the opposite of follow a human leader.. as shown in witnesses stand against Hitler.

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

I am not talking about degree, persecution happens to many christians throughout the world, the JW's wear this as a badge of honor which seems to marginalize other groups that are persecuted. I stand by my statement.

[@swlovesvegans]

heyyy i put that warning under my video when i posted it. this isnt an apostate hangout.. and personally i dont like to post comments from people who slander, or promote half truths about my brothers and sisters whom i love. I love them and to see such negativity ruins my good mood. so yes.. i block

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

"These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. ... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. "

[@bryangry]

I must tell you and all that have read what I posted here that I am sorry for the post. I was led to believe that it was from a news article but I have since found where it came from and it is from a bias resource. I am sorry

[@swlovesvegans]

"And the dragon grew wrathful..and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who obserbe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." Rev. 12:11-17 Now, Jehovahs witnesses died for bearing witness to Gods Kingdom over mans. So are you, sir, a witness of Gods Kingdom or do you accuse the ones who have had their blood spilled in the face of death? Good day sir!

[@swlovesvegans]

Jesus went in the ministry Proclaimed his fathers name Spoke about his Fathers Kingdom and refused to be involved in the politics of his day because he was no part of the world. We are Christians. So we follow this example. Plain and simple.. not hard to understand.

[@jaethomasmusic]

actually, I looked it up and it appears on major media websites - why don't you google it yourself and see if the major media reports on it?

[@SpiceHighlander]

So this is a question to ponder on - and no Witness has been able to give me a good answer: If imperfect spirit directed men can write 66 books (the bible) free of doctrinal error, why can't a spirit directed organization made of imperfect men not likewise consistently publish doctrine that is free of error? Has God's hand become short in modern times?

[@SpiceHighlander]

But the difference is that Daniel, as a truly spirit directed man, never wrote down in his book, his erroneous speculations and "expectations" of the things he did not understand. He remained silent on the things that were not revealed to him. Contrast that with what you believe to be a spirit directed organization, getting it wrong again, and again, and again. How does a spirit directed organization get Romans 13:1 wrong - for 30 years?!

[@jaethomasmusic]

you would find that those of us who are not witnesses and yet believe in a separation of church and state will ALSO have your back if that were to EVER happen. I am an atheist but would die for your right to practice your beliefs as you freely wish.

[@swlovesvegans]

also,as seen above we are persuctued.. arrested..We dont, as individuals have the money to recieve legal help.. i sure dont! the organization provides free legal help.. we live in the last days. our governments are a failure in these terrible times.. the organization doesnt provide salvation. thats a ridiculous claim. it helps us in the last days to survive and spread something that otherwise would be very difficult to do without a structual organization. thats just common sense.

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

and so did many millions of christians before them, the JW's are NOT unique in this respect, recall the persecutions under the Romans of course. My point is that if Rutherford told them not to defy the ban, then they would have listened to him, many lives would have been saved. I see your point, it's not lost on me. Most if not all christians were not lacking in courage, It seems to me that the JW's feel like they are "special" in their persecution, it's not so.

[@swlovesvegans]

what? Witnesses used to celebrate christmas, easter, used the cross and believed many things that are unscriptual.. they changed them in an attempt to NOT TEACH THESE ERRORS AS DOCTRINAL TRUTH.

[@swlovesvegans]

I'm sorry but talking about my dead brothers and sisters as if they are alive to defend themselves really really really pushes my buttons. It shouldnt, i shouldnt get angry as a Christian but, I'll admit it is something that makes my ears hot and my old worldly ways return.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

Many of these 'mistaken' views were taught prior the examination of the churches in 1918-1919, when Jesus did his 'inspection' in 1918-1919, he selected the WT to be his 'faithful slave.' Although they taught Michael was the pope, Jesus' presence took place in 1874 and so many other 'mistaken' views. In reality, these teachings were completely falsehoods! I feel sorry for those who place their trust in men!

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

Watchtower 1972 April 1 p.197 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them' "

[@SpiceHighlander]

And that's commendable on their part. Witnesses teach truths that many other christians get wrong. All I'm saying is that their claim to being God's spirit directed organization cannot be true given multiple errors in doctrine. I would have even more respect for your org if it stopped presumptuously claiming to be God's only spirit directed organization. I consider such self-glorification to be contrary to the spirit of Jesus' words at John 8:54: “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing."

[@swlovesvegans]

this is a video about witnesses. I dont say they are the only ones persucted.

[@MuscleMaxZ1]

unquestioning obedience to the GB, a sure sign of a cult if ever there was one. Well, you can ask questions, but you certainly can't disagree on any point of doctrine. Jehovah is the one who reads hearts and consciences, not the GB, and what if you disagree on a doctrine, are disfellowshipped and then the doctrine gets changed to agree with you, are you re-instated...no. Why? because the GB says so, families are wrecked, sounds like cult to me! glad you got out!

[@swlovesvegans]

thats your choice.I appreciate the organization because it provides liturature and bibles in hundreds of languages for free. Builds Kingdoms halls around the world. Takes part in disaster relief which i know people have have personally experienced this. and the governments of today can care less and fail at disaster relief[ie Katrina]

[@rykeerycado6907]

I've read all the comments and all i have to say is this. Jesus said that his true followers would be identified by the love they would have among themselves. When you know a thing is the truth you know it. God's truth is not hard to find. That is what Satan wants people to believe that the truth is not to be found. But, all they have to do is look and compare one from the other and the bible will confirm it also.

[@jaethomasmusic]

it IS a worldwide view. Many atheist humanists are willing to die for you, even though we believe differently. Also, you will find that people generally leave you alone - because we are not obsessed religion as we were in the 50s. We also have a massive liberal stance when it comes to drafts. We will fight it every step of the way. These are not things we take lightly. Do you keep up with the news in the outside world? This is what is happening.

[@swlovesvegans]

thats not true actually... many early Christians still refused to eat meat or abandon certain teachings of the old covenant.. the book of Acts is full of discussions about whether or not the sabbath should be celebrated or Gentiles could be baptised. This was during the time of Paul, many years after the death of Christ. And it was taught.. but when it was corrected,they didnt turn against the Christians for being "wrong." is not these examples recorded in the bible for us to follow.?

[@swlovesvegans]

yea.. that was a good movie... the way he used natural selection as an excuse to exterminate those he hated. also, how he called his own people weak and allowed them to die.. horrid i think its interesting how people dont recoginize how dangerous nationalism is.

[@Roypennal]

Woe to them, because they were in the path of Cain and rushed in carrying erroneous Balaam for reward, and perished in the rebellious talk of Korah! These are the rocks hidden under the water, in your love feasts, feasting with you, shepherds that feed themselves without fear: clouds without water, carried about of winds; trees in late autumn, [but] without fruit, twice dead , uprooted, wild waves of the sea, foaming their own causes for shame...Jude 11-13

[@swlovesvegans]

no.. i put a warning below my video when i posted it.. i have no idea who i blocked.. i just did, to be honest.. she has a response? dont even know who that is

[@swlovesvegans]

what i could make as friends with apostates, i have a hundred fold in the truth.. you seem nice but i've been mocked and cussed out by several apostates. and i feel their message is far from loving. it is destructive slander. especially on things like the holocaust and apostate protest that have led to violence.. Jesus is loving..and i dont see these qualities at all in apostates. WITNESSES are NOT perfect.. but Jehovah has done so much for me.. he deserves my effort

[@CEEJLESS]

Well, that's the point, they had changed the doctrine, and i was certainly not told about all the doctrines that had been changed before my birth, including false predictions about the end of the world. I made a dedication based on misinformation. It's like a married man finding out his wife had been cheating during their engagement, and during the marriage.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

If the law of God is perfect, then why ignore the fourth commandment? Exodus 20:8-11?

[@CEEJLESS]

So god established his kingdom on earth, beginning firstly by using Russel, who was the forefather of the witnesses, correct? Why did Russel predict Armageddon would come in 1914? And why does the the modern magazines say he merely said it was the beginning of Christ's rule? Why is it covered up? Why would god's spirit guide Russel to falsely proclaim this?

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

The comparison done in regards to the 'misunderstanding' of the disciples to the writings and predictions of the WT organization is weak. The disciples never preached a falsehood or a mistaken view, you won't find in the Greek Scriptures any teachings which were 'mistaken.' The word o God is the truth, it never errs!

[@swlovesvegans]

bible prophecy has proved that the God of the bible is the "living God.."

[@swlovesvegans]

no.. once again the bible records the error of Christians in the early Christian congregations. They argued about the old covenant compared to the new... does that mean these Christians were not anointed of God.. even though the bible says they were anointed? no... when asked if they believe that they had all the answers, the full light of truth, Russell said "certainly not;nor will we have until the 'perfect day'"

[@SpiceHighlander]

You fail to see the point I'm making which is this: The books of the bible is God's sole written revelation of himself to us. As such, he ensured that the imperfect, spirit directed writers did not introduce error into it. So why would he ever allow his sole spirit directed organization on Earth to dispense error. Can't you see the grave inconsistency? To suggest that God's sole spirit directed org is capable of doctrinal error, is to raise doubts about the claim that the bible is free of error.

[@MrsBarbaraSinclair]

WT Sept.1, 1953 pg.534, par.18 "Walk in the Name of Jehovah Our God for Ever...he would take them out from the nations to be a “people for his name” not for the name of Jesus, mind you!" Not for the name of Jesus? swlovesvegans, do you have this 'mind' in you? >"they will lay their hands upon you and persecute you..for the sake of my name.. It will turn out to be a witness...and you will be objects of hatred on account of my name.." Luke 21:12-18 "for the sake of MY NAME" = Jesus Christ.

[@Roypennal]

I have fallen here a little while ago, but never thought youtube was a litter of apostates and hypocrites and traitors ...... finally adjectives abound!! but what surprises me most are those wearing sheepskin cover and inside are identified as Jesus of ravenous wolves seeking prey ...... unfortunately I am sad with so many claiming to be followers of Jehovah and then betray by one "coins "the hypocritical false religion!! Agape Love

[@swlovesvegans]

I know if one day.. the USA government turns on witnesses.. as they have in the past. its recorded history. i know that someone would legally have my back.. around the world. How else would our loving God take care of us in the last days?

[@yhwh7771000]

Hey I found you just kiddin. How was the whole conversation with snarky ?

[@CEEJLESS]

Yes, it's the same when i get judged by muslims saying that Allah will destroy non-believers. I'm not really worried, it's just sad to be put down to a lower class because we don't believe the watchtower corporation anymore. But hey, if it makes you happy.

[@CEEJLESS]

Thanks :) I'd say i'm fairly well rounded person, not particularly 'very nice.'. I understand why people believe what they do, i also understand the anger from both sides. Guess what, a few years ago i'd be arguing with these ex-jw's as well. Things change. I'm pretty sure everyone you're disagreeing with right now, you'd probably find very reasonable people in real life. Maybe one day you'll see that these people aren't just 'apostates' but people who care more about you than you realize.

[@MrsBarbaraSinclair]

Please note, this its so important: Christians are commanded to be: witnesses of Jesus Christ Ac1:8. I agree with you, Jesus Christ is the KING of the Kingdom of God. Please think deeply on this: The JWs publicly state they are >"A PEOPLE NOT FOR THE NAME OF JESUS" WTFeb15,1964 p109; WTSept1,1953 p534 Jesus is the KING of the Kingdom of God. All people NOT for His Name, shall NOT be allowed into His Kingdom, for they are non-believers, not for the KING of kings and LORD of lords Jesus Christ.

[@SpiceHighlander]

Thanks for the refference

[@SpiceHighlander]

So why do Witnesses expel and isolate members who choose to adhere to the bible when there's a conflict between what the bible teaches and what the organization teaches? If a witness in the 1950's insisted that the superior authorities of Romans 13:1 referred to human governments while your org said it's Jehovah and Jesus, wouldn't he have been expelled? Doesn't that amount to your org saying: "You must believe our doctrines of men above what the bible says?

[@Sportliveonline]

hi do you consider the Mormons also a true religion

[@SpiceHighlander]

Have you also read Russell's rejection of the concept of having a visible named organization on earth? It's rather ironic that the very thing that Russel was against is the very thing that developed and the thing that developed claim him as one of its earthly founders. lol.

[@jaethomasmusic]

what is an apostate?

[@swlovesvegans]

ohh really?? cause they printed a book and studied it about the history of Witnesses that i'm pretty sure every witness owns. called the proclaimers book.. 1914 pg 134,136 pg 62 beth sarim-pg 76 used to celebrate Christmas, use a cross..Russel and pyramidology, birthday celebration pg. 200 even 1975 is in that book.

[@SpiceHighlander]

Yes, it's very obvious from the context, isn't it? So how is it that for more than 30 years, your spirit directed organization could not see this very obvious fact? Not only that, they changed from initially having the correct understanding (in the days of Russel) to the erroneous understanding, in the days of Rutherford, that the superior authorities referred to Jehovah and Jesus. This is an inexcusable error for a spirit directed organization to make. A child can understand Romans 13:1!

[@MrsBarbaraSinclair]

>"Jesus was not literally saying for his name" I'll not add or take away from the Word of God. My Lord Jesus did say: "for the sake of my name... you will be objects of hatred on account of my name" Luke 21:12-18. Those occasions turn out to be a witness for the name of Jesus Christ Ac1:8 It hurts to read ones publicly "proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ." (nw) Jude4 Only Jesus can come in the name of Abba, Father. JW have NO authority to "comes in Jehovah's name." Lk13:35

[@SpiceHighlander]

Yes individual Christians did get certain things wrong but the official record of doctrines penned by the spirit directed writers of the NT is free of error. By contrast the official record of doctrines published by your organization, which is claimed to be spirit directed, is not free of error. Do you see the difference? If God is directing men - and his sole channel of truth at that - by means of his spirit you can bet he would protect their written teachings from being in error.

[@swlovesvegans]

They take the God given adaptation of species... call it "microevolution.." claim it proves macroevolution[ape to man]..which they have no evidence of.. i wasnt always a witness.. i fell out and looked for something..anything to relieve my feelings of obligation to a Creator. I turned to evolution to relieve my guilt.. but it did the opposite. i just could not comprehend how people can believe it even though i tried to believe it..

[@swlovesvegans]

hey. i put the warning below the video when i posted it.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

Watchtower 1969 January 1 p.2 Page Two Ever since 'The Watchtower' began to be published in July of 1879 it has looked ahead into the future... No, 'The Watchtower' is no inspired prophet, but it follows and explains a Book of prophecy the predictions in which have proved to be unerring and unfailing till now. 'The Watchtower' is therefore under safe guidance. It may be read with confidence, for its statements may be checked against that prophetic Book.

[@PeacefulMoments1844]

Well just in case if you or any other falls for the belief that, because of persecution, therefore it is truth. Not at all. Many have been and many are being currently persecuted. Let Jah be the judge of those who give their life's for what they honestly believe to be the truth.