Well, I didn’t like Joker

Don’t worry I promise my next video will be about something way more topical and interesting like A Dog's Purpose or Halloween spider decorations!
Ways in which Joker (2019) is the same as Mamma Mia! (2008):
Leading women named Sophie / jennynicholson
Dancing / jennyenicholson
A mother’s relationship to her child is strained by her failure to inform her child of their father’s identity / progamerjenny
Focus on the protagonist’s financial struggles / spider_jewel
Uproarious laughter / spiderjewel
Super rats / jennynicholsonvids

[@RoboBoddicker]

Speaking as a child of the 80s, the decade was a golden age for clowns. There were 3 clowns for every kid. My personal clown attendant would tuck me into bed each night, and cart me to school each morning on his unicycle. This was at no trivial cost to my working-class parents, of course, but what choice did they have? Any kid without a clown would be laughed out of school, and would run a major risk of becoming a twisted "dark clown."

[@mastermarkus5307]

This comment deserves more attention.

[@themightysven]

There was a point in 80-81 where if you through all the clowns in the ocean, you'd be able to walk from New York to Miami without getting your feet wet. Lots of honking noise though.

[@noeramirez7575]

This made me laugh so hard!

[@slowbotdrone]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that grew up this way.

[@oppie2363]

Honestly the most upsetting part of this video is that Jenny endorses the hiring of scab clowns.

[@kaidurantvaldez5551]

Before Joker, I didn’t know we lived in a society

[@Chipiliro613]

And yet...we live in one.

[@josephroszell]

You need a very high iq to appreciate that we live in a society

[@eggi4443]

@@josephroszell yes, this is a very deep movie for very smart people

[@Beunibster]

@@eggi4443 it's the pickle rick of cinema

[@sweettea-ms7ex]

Get a load of this society!

[@vivadiscordia]

Man, this was a funny and lighthearted movie critique. I sure hope no moviebro uploads an 11 hour 44 minute long response video

[@vivadiscordia]

oh no

[@quietnerdything]

Oh, is that what’s up? I was wondering why there was a influx of incels up in these comments.

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

Wink!

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

LMAO. What are the chances of that? Right?

[@suchmouse]

@@quietnerdything calling any male who disagrees with you an incel, yikes...

[@angeljcs]

personally jenny i think that the movie was wonderfully crafted. a key component in the movie you might have missed that basically affects all the plot points is that, at his core, the joker is a creep. he's a weirdo. what the hell is he doing here? he doesn't belong here.

[@Emilightning]

Agreed; it's almost like the Joker was used as a publicised audio loudspeaking device for Society's internal thoughts... a "radio head", if you will.???.?

[@emalaw1329]

@@Emilightning I wish that was the actual etymology behind their name, instead of a ska number from a mid Talking Heads album

[@Oscar_Milde]

@@emalaw1329 imo that makes it so much better

[@purpleisdebeste]

you see, the joker is weird. he's a weirdo. he doesn't fit in, and he doesn't want to fit in. have you ever seen him without that stupid face paint? that's weird.

[@MarmaladeMagnolia]

I’m a crepe I’m a weirdough What the hell am I doughing here? I donut belong here

[@raediation3016]

when bruce was standing alone in that ally at the end there was a super rat walking around behind him and all I could imagine was Bruce getting bitten by the rat and that this is the alternate universe where we have Rat Man

[@Kona696]

raeanne moffat in my version of the movie that exists only in my head that rat.... is Pizza Rat

[@themossycobble1903]

@@Kona696 Master Splinter??

[@sokkvabekkr5973]

rat man is real

[@ProxyDoug]

So that's what makes good rat.

[@Aaron-mj9ie]

"I am an agent of the night... Wherever there is injustice, I shall be there... Whenever you need a hole chewed in your wall, I'll be there... Whenever you need something to scare your wife at 3am by rustling around in the trash, I'll be there... I am the dark Knight! I am Ratman!"

[@moonydoll7109]

Jenny, obviously you don't understand. The Joker is weird. He's a weirdo. He doesn't fit in and he doesn't want to fit in. Have you ever seen him without that stupid wig on? That's weird, he's weird.

[@radhapatel217]

Riverdale was such a train wreck, but you just can't look away

[@ldragon8480]

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

[@SpontainiousHugs4U]

He goes crazy because he doesn’t know the epic highs and lows of high school football

[@briangriffith4574]

My favorite part is when joker was dancing to jailhouse rock

[@ldragon8480]

@@BooksRebound thanks!

[@ariannatorres3799]

I had to come back to this video now that I work in publicly funded behavioral health to say that, unfortunately, the therapist kinda is realistic. There is a weird amount of people who have no compassion for anyone they work with and yet complain about feeling persecuted by the system we work in

[@lillianward2810]

I work in an adjacent field (Medicaid services for people with disabilities) and man, fucking SAME.

[@bobjones2959]

I went to a mental health counsellor and they straight up said they only became a mental health counsellor because it was easy to get into and didn't require a lot of work. I think it might've been an attempt at trying to connect with me since I was honestly saying some really cynical things to her, but honestly, all it really ended up doing was convincing me more than before how shit the mental health system was in my country.

[@ariannatorres3799]

@@bobjones2959 that sucks man, I don't know where you are now in life, but I'll tell you that you're right to be cynical about the system, but you're worth not giving up on, even if it means interacting with insincere people

[@bobjones2959]

@@ariannatorres3799Thanks!

[@jesspavlichenko5745]

​@@bobjones2959Wh.. what kind of mental health counsellor were they? Did they have a license? Were they a psychotherapist? What country do you live in? I've been in school for years to become a counsellor and it is by no means an easy process. You need a bachelor's and a masters (in my country anyway) to become a registered psychotherapist/counsellor

[@kevthepoet]

"Before you get really angry, but you will still get angry..." LMFAO at how she predicted the backlash.

[@armoni9745]

Trusting a bunch of sour reddit bros to get inconceivably pissed when someone tells them their world view and tastes aren't 100% on point is one of the most predictable things in the known universe.

[@justsomegirlwithoutamustache]

@@armoni9745 How is her opinion 100% on point then?

[@SHINXANTA]

@@armoni9745 It's not exclusively because of that. She also has points that are straight up incorrect because she didn't pay attention to the movie properly. For example at 14:11: "breaking out of the cop car, seemingly by coincidence." Like... it wasn't by coincidence and he didn' break out. The mob rammed a truck into the cop car to rescue him deliberately, and he was severely injured because of it. And then right after at 15:25, when she talks about his motivations being unclear along with the reason why he kills, she ends her statement with "usually just because they wronged him." But... that's exactly why. That's not unclear, he did every murder in the movie because he was wronged by the person he kills. The three rich kids, his mother, Randall... they all wronged or hurt him personally. That's a concrete reason that is basically directly stated by him. You see what I mean? This review is getting some overreactions for sure, but some of her points are heavily flawed or just completely incorrect. Of course people are going to get upset if she's misinterpreting scenes and then using that to criticize the movie.

[@bandidocavalier]

@@SHINXANTA you mad 👍

[@leaffinite2001]

​@Just Some Girl Without A Mustache it doesnt have to be for anything anyones saying here to be correct

[@AuroraExhale]

My favorite part of the joker is Meryl Streep defeating Batman with a single flail of her scarf

[@p1nkfreud]

The whole theater stood up and clapped!

[@TallTapper]

and yet another nomination

[@Riprake]

In the words of Honest Trailers, "Yikes! He better find Batman quick... before he turns twelve and overpowers him!"

[@faewashere]

and the actor who played Batman: Albert Einstein

[@soaribb32]

*Groundbreaking...*

[@poorangus8584]

Jenny, you can’t just hire an unlicensed clown for your store closing sale. That’s how you get big trouble with the clown unions.

[@tommenno]

I mean you make it sound like a joke, but this happened in new york in the old days with garbage men.

[@thephantombutterfly6]

They're called Clown Guilds actually....... lol

[@ailemasvega]

I know, she lost all credibility for me with that statement.😒🙄🙃

[@chocolatecharley99]

@@tommenno Yeah but that'd make sense because we need waste collectors (like really badly).

[@ethanomcbride]

Biggie Cheese is that you?

[@TheNazgulandMacbeth]

"That's what happens when you try to make serious movies out of a thing made for kids 80 years ago" is my favorite line of this video lol

[@dropssky]

And she says that like she's in the majority lmao

[@vmoonlight4962]

😂 You seem like you are one of the people who will give a hard time to people like Arthur. I can tell you dont like the movie. Kindness is cool, "you wouldn't get it"

[@KD-ou2np]

​@dkdraper ?? Lol wtf do you mean by that? What "majority"?

[@soldiaz7261]

@@vmoonlight4962please log off and stop making up ways everyone else is bad. it was a joke and an opinion on a movie that had absolutely nothing to do with whether people support or bully weirdos. also, the movie isn’t an indie production made by and for weirdos, it’s a blockbuster for an expensive and mainstream intellectual property starring Joaquin Phoenix. you’re reaching hard.

[@vmoonlight4962]

@@soldiaz7261 you would not get it

[@Simon_E32]

Watching through this video and reading the negative comments is funny, because for the few people who disagreed and gave their interpretation of what the movie "actually meant" gave WILDLY different answers. It's almost like the film didn't actually have anything concrete to say and people projected their own feelings onto it.

[@ericpalacios920]

There's something worrisome about the amount of people fiercely defending this movie. Like alright, I liked it to an extent, but there's nothing deep about it. It says nothing. It's like the film equivalent of a horoscope, where it justifies whatever opinions you already had about society because it flirts with so many messages but refuses to commit to any.

[@truedarkness4052]

I mean isn't that the case with most movies, people can take something completely different away from a film and points to substantiate it? That doesn't necessarily mean that the film had nothing concrete to say. It may have been heavy handed, but the message is still there in enough scenes to be concrete enough to see

[@austingoyne3039]

"The people who gave their interpretation of Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse gave wildly different answers. It's almost like the book didn't have anything concrete to say." I'm not comparing Joker to post-modern Lit, but can you see the problem with that statement?

[@modasserarmani7903]

Which is not a bad thing it’s ambiguous.

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

Can't you say that about something like 2001: A Space Odyssey, too?

[@yoonabomma]

oh god i really hope "a dog's purpose" trilogy analysis isn't off the table

[@thelonelydirector]

Please... PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this!!! :)

[@pattheplanter]

"A Christmas Prince: The Royal Baby" is due on December 5th 2019, so another trilogy analysis I am anticipating.

[@NomNomPhenomenom]

please jenny me and my mum need that analysis

[@ItsJenniBear]

averi pleaaase i work in film and the film industry in my city ONLY talk about a dogs purpose because it was a movie heavily made in my city and like I HEAR TOO MANY PEOPLE STROKING THEMSELVES ABOUT HOW THEYVE WORKED ON A DOGS PURPOSE i just want jenny to tear it apart gh

[@ohhello2526]

Me too

[@jessicastrike5640]

I still wish they called this film Arthur Imagine how cool that line “introduce me as Joker” would be at the end not knowing it was a Joker film

[@renge5589]

*woah* that would be a high level twist

[@gigleorex]

But nobody would've been interested in it. :T

[@Lucivius27]

@@gigleorex Word of mouth would do it.

[@damax1862]

I still think it would've been pretty obvious since it was still in Gotham and involves the Waynes...

[@johnjamele]

@@Lucivius27 oh please. Call it "Arthur" instead of "Joker" and it makes half as much money.

[@bogwife7942]

the joker struck me as a movie that's supposed to have some kind of hard hitting message, but they forgot to put the message in so its just an hour and a half of weird uncomfortable stuff happening

[@ibtarnine]

it had a message, but it wasn't for you.

[@bogwife7942]

@@ibtarnine ok lol. have you considered that maybe the reason other people aren't picking up on the message you're getting is because you're actually just projecting.

[@ibtarnine]

@@bogwife7942 that isn't why. i don't criticize fiction geared towards women just because the message doesn't speak to me personally as a man, i just accept that it's not for me and i read something else. why can't you do the same?

[@eternityriley1833]

😆Right!

[@alexwyatt2911]

@@ibtarnine So, your rationalization is that this movie is just beyond women’s comprehension? Lol

[@_l3rN]

I'm still holding out hope for that Dog's Purpose trilogy video

[@deamonsoul1279]

lol i just looked everywhere for exactly this

[@PaulOxborrow]

True story: In the early 2000's I worked as a clown for a clown agency. We handed out pamphlets, worked at malls, supermarkets, birthday parties etc etc. It's totally a thing.

[@snowdoll622]

Paul Oxborrow if Jenny hasn’t heard of it, it’s not true.

[@thankyou3849]

It's true I was the pamphlets

[@fabiancalderon6729]

Hey That's my reddit copypasta

[@TwilightFlip]

Was it fun?

[@PaulOxborrow]

@@TwilightFlip Yes! There were about 30 of us. All students at the time, money was good, work was easy.

[@ian_b]

You don't get it. It's a searing indictment of the clown industry.

[@xp8969]

😅😂🤣😂🤣😂😅

[@adarsh5647]

Lol

[@user-jy2sj4ed4i]

Bring back clown jobs! 2024

[@wariyoshidirector]

Underrated comment of the year

[@sleepinbelle9627]

Clown-Industrial Complex

[@Fishdogpigsquirrel]

Joker brought a "Im 14 this is deep" sorta vibe to the viewing party

[@jeffersonadams8711]

So do most of Jenny's movie reviews. At least she's switched to reviewing closed-down theme parks now, which is more in her intellectual wheelhouse. 😂

[@tastelessjonjon3734]

@@jeffersonadams8711 girl shut up omfg

[@darkvioletskull]

@@jeffersonadams8711🍼

[@aztn19]

Very well put!! Joker 2019 is as shallow as a puddle

[@centimix]

@@jeffersonadams8711only difference being that one of those things is supposed to be a literal blockbuster feature film and the other one is just a youtube video w her opinion. weird take.

[@geoffreysorkin5774]

The reason Todd Phillips can't make any more Hangover movies is because he made the same movie 3 times and burned out his audience. The fact that you described Joker as the same half an our repeated ad nauseum is consistent with Todd Phillips' style in that regard.

[@cendrieeR]

That's a weird take. Why would you want more than one or two Hangover movie in the first place? Of course it's repetitive, the premise doesn't leave much space for something else. They knew that from the start and made hangover 2 and 3 to milk the audience, as you should expect, but internally the first one was pretty entertaining without repetitions.

[@wet-read]

There never should have been a second hangover, and the third one should have the second. If there was a second one at all, that is. It really should have just been a single movie.

[@user-cn7io2pe8p]

did he? hangover 3 was way different. And I think much like the Joker, he tried to do something different under the guise of an existing franchise so he could get funding. I really dont get the feeling he wanted to make hangover 3, atleast not in the same tone as hangover one

[@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly]

Surprisingly, the first movie holds up pretty well. I mean its not perfect. Comedy ages the fastest out of any art, and its the most likely to age poorly. Thats especially true for 2000s comedies that are already trying to be raunchy. But there is a good number of decent jokes in there. Then they just made the same movie again but worse, then they did it again. People who really like the hangover, are not exactly looking for a fine dinning movie experience, and even then they where annoyed with the same movie but made two more times.

[@jimjo8541]

@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidlyI like the hangovers and also like artsy movies 🤷‍♂️ I like fine dining and I also like fast food.

[@karlc5719]

Clown college takes years of dedication and is no laughing matter.

[@linuxelf]

I'll thank you not to refer to Princeton that way.

[@koboldcatgirl]

I'm super pissed at Jenny for suggesting that anyone hire clown scabs. If they aren't a licensed clown, show them the damn door!

[@WhatRobodoom]

and to graduate it is no small feet

[@basementbats]

hahaha i was genuinely convinced of this after watching steve-o’s video on going to clown college

[@rollerkosta9491]

“You can say that again pal”

[@Onesmartcookie78429]

alternate joker movie title: arthur's terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

[@ArturGlass.C]

That sums it up

[@kokopuppy57342]

You forgot terrible. Terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Unfortunately they made a movie out of the book you're referencing. So that would be confusing.

[@Onesmartcookie78429]

@@PanAndScanBuddy yes, and it's called "The Joker"

[@TiberianFiend]

Except it wasn't a day. Every day of his life was bad. All that stuff that went really bad for him to turn him into the Joker happened over a week at least.

[@jayh825]

She was so right and they hated her for it lol

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

No, hate’s a strong word. I *don’t like* this video cause it’s heavily flawed :)

[@joedatius]

@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn how is it heavily flawed? also don't use your opinions Challenge level impossible.

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@joedatius Challenge you say? I think this is getting off to a bad start already. This isn’t a challenge, this is a talk. Yes I find this video heavily flawed. She states quite a number of things about Joker that makes me question whether we watched the same film.

[@joedatius]

@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn okay like what?

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@joedatius For one: The idea there wasn’t a natural progression from Arthur being depressed and suffering to deciding to becoming the Joker. I find that ridiculous; Arthur’s progression into the Joker was natural and executed brilliantly. Take one scene out & it all falls apart.

[@Varooooooom]

On the note of Arthur going “What do you get when you take a mentally ill person…” and how “mentally ill” was too tame as far as language goes for the supposed time period: One thing this movie was sorely lacking is colorful dialogue. So many people in the period between 1920 and 1980 spoke with such verbose vocabulary. Part of the appeal with Heath Ledger’s version of the Joker is how impactful each and every line of his dialogue is. If it wasn’t some deep insight that put a piece into the puzzle of his personality, it was language that took a concept and made it fucked up in a slightly comedic angle. “Why don’t we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is.” Like goddamn. Not to mention the amount of references to gambling/deck of cards are in his dialogue. He absorbed the wild card nature of the Joker. In this movie, you could replace “mentally ill person” with “someone who isn’t wrapped too tight” or “a person who’s on the brink of insanity” or some other equivalent and, with the right performance, it would’ve made the scene so much more impactful and character-defining. Same goes for much of the other dialogue in this movie.

[@_Mojius_]

YES. Finally someone who finally gets it. "A society who treats him like trash?" Oh my god.. It's so fucking cringe. How does shit like this pass through the producers??

[@Varooooooom]

@@_Mojius_ Something about script-writing in media has just been so weirdly lazy and by-the-books in recent years. Even great blockbusters like Barbie and Everything Everywhere kind of have their writing a bit easy because everything is so meta- and multiverse-pilled nowadays, so writing in that way is kinda really easy right now. I feel like it shouldn’t be this difficult to get writing and performances that don’t feel reminiscent of modern problems/talking points 😭

[@sheildingepicness]

This is something the mauler fans who just gatekeep ip’s will never understand

[@utryping]

@@_Mojius_ At what point in the movie should they have gave arthur some witty shakespearean dialogue? A lot of the premise of the film kinda depends on the fact that he is ineloquent and off putting. If you don't want to see that depicted ever then that's fine but don't frame it as a failure on the part of the film

[@spacebassist]

​@@utryping you're forgetting that dialogue tends to be written as the most fitting thing for a character to say in any moment, even the most realistic dialogue has to give way to the flow of the scene and the movie's pacing. there's nothing shakespearean about cracking a dark joke/acting like a fully realised character even with a character like arthur who stumbles, he naturally thinks in a way that produces jokes and "witty" lines (considering he has a whole book, it's a conscious effort too), so when he comes into his own, it would be an impactful moment for that wit to roll off his tongue naturally. it's his moment in the sun and he's certain of what he's going to do by that point, his confidence has reached a head for the first time in his life, people idolise him, he's going to "show the world what happens". it's too perfect an opportunity NOT to write something that fully enhances the moment. even just saying "a fuc'ed up loser" would work because he's lost his patience and inhibition, and it reflects how he sees himself and how he thinks the world sees him. (nothing shakespearean in a crass sentence like that) as for the rest of the film, stumbling is fine but i think that moment in particular could've benefitted from some venom, or he reaches the flow he's always been after. either way works as the endpoint of his growth (not to say there wasn't any. it'd enhance it)

[@metaleggman18]

In this episode, Jenny shows us how she lives in a society

[@renab.7518]

@SomethingScanning somewhat

[@AddBowIfGirl]

metaleggman18 What is this a reference to?

[@ComradeCorwin]

@@AddBowIfGirl I had originally thought it was a quote from Margaret Thatcher that has suddenly gained a surprising level of revitalization, but I'm starting to have my suspicions that there is some kind of groupthink origin that I'm not privy to.

[@kckasem3360]

@Corwin Rainier It's just a meme playing off statements that begin with that phrase which often amount to shallow critiques.... I mean I guess you can call memes groupthink but that's super weird, dude

[@insertmemorableusernameher6795]

But she doesnt tell us how she got her scars

[@alexandraarcher]

Just wanted to let you know that I searched "Mamma Mia" looking for the song and this was the 6th video from the top

[@tardersauce3578]

It is indeed!

[@MJ-zq9zg]

Woah woah woah, didnt expect to see you here. Hi! Your videos are cool:)

[@ericblare1351]

@ 11:30

[@stuflames4769]

Art deserves an audience.

[@mollybrown1527]

It’s 7th for me

[@caspertheunfriendlyghost4442]

One thing that I think is just hurtful is when they show joker writing down things people thought were funny as something "weird" or "creepy". As someone with both autism and ADHD, I'm constantly making mental notes of what is seen as funny so I don't look super socially awkward, but making a murderer do something neurodivergent people do just feels...off (not to say all schizophrenic people/ppl with schizoaffective disorders are murderers and *don't* struggle in social situations, the movie just kinda villainizes people with mental disabilities). And I will never stop saying Joker in the Lego batman movies is unironically a rly good joker portrayal of a guy who just wants attention and has been fighting batman so long he doesn't know what to do when that ends lmao

[@dorianthekilljoy4092]

1. I love your points they're so accurate. 2. LEGO BATMAN JOKER LETS GOOOO!

[@Memento_mori2222]

as someone who is very close friends with an pearson who suffers from various psychological disorders (schizofrenic, psychotic episodes, DID) i feel Joker is a very harmful movie, as it portrays Arthur's actions as somewhat justified and portrays therapy as useless or insuficient, its clear the movie has no interest in portraying mentally ill people as people, only as victims of their circumstances with no autonomy of their own, Arthur was "destined" to shoot Murray from the very beginning of the movie

[@aztn19]

@@Memento_mori2222 It’s weird because as destined as it was for Murray to be shot by Arthur, it also was the most senseless of the Joker’s killings in a movie that went out of its way to make it seem like Arthur/Joker HAD to have understandably justified reasons for the ones he killed. If Arthur didn’t have to be a guy Batman has to fight later on maybe, Franklin is left alive to ponder why a man shot himself on air to make some kind of point about society abandoning him leaving him no other choice beyond taking his own life.

[@amartyakejora5451]

there is no such thing as over-praising Lego Joker or praising him for too long. if i had any writing skills i'd write a biography of Lego Joker with transcripts of days long interviews with Zach Galifianakis while we're under the influence and in full joker impressions.

[@amartyakejora5451]

@@aztn19 it's also kind of funny that the writers, for how much they wanted to slap DC lore and Batman setup over this movie that had very little to do with tights-wearing capes, couldn't just resolve to position Arthur as the pre-cursor/eventual inspiration to the Joker that Batman faces. Meaning he could be allowed to die in the story and be seen as a martyr to a wave of criminals that the "next" Joker emerges from. it's not too big a reach given the number of fans that already theorized or even outright believed in this idea before/after the movie came out.

[@bennyton2560]

lmao some people are still mad at this video three years later. Jenny you're trending again

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

It’s kinda funny for all this “buzz”, this vid isn’t even in her top 20 most watched 🤣

[@tevenpowell8023]

Lmao some people still like this video three years later.

[@Tikky503]

I dont even see any of the sour boys. Its just a bunch of people laughing at "reddit bros" and "owning the incels" Like 98% of the comments are people agreeing with her, wheres the "backlash"

[@notit7282]

@@Tikky503 Scroll past the comments pushed up by the KZbin algorithm my dude. Look for the comments with single digit or no likes at all with many replies. Find the comments deeply-buried by the algorithm because they contained offensive language. It's 2022 now, you've got to be aware social media platforms use many algorithms to manipulate the mood of different parts of their sites. Outrage only drives clicks when it's in the title; harmony and positivity in the comment section are what keeps people in a community and coming back for more. Not to mention the majority of backlash came from when this was initially uploaded. Re-enabling the dislike counter via plugins and whatnot should give you more than enough evidence for a backlash. If you have no patience to scroll that far, then sort the comments by newest, you'll definitely find the "fabled" comments you argued don't exist. For instance, 1 month ago: "You mean a privileged, leftist woman didn't like Joker, a film about how society treats men like dogshit and pushes them over the edge? Quite the spicy take indeed."

[@Tikky503]

@@notit7282 society does treat men like dogshit and pushes them over the edge in a lot of different ways, but why did he call her "privileged leftist"?... what did she say that was "left"... Anyway youre right, I dont have patience to scroll to the weeds.

[@celebalert5616]

That Mamma Mia edit made me realize Joker shouldve been a Musical

[@mentallyunstable1926]

i can picture joaquin phoenix on stage belting out like an i want song

[@sage5530]

@@mentallyunstable1926 i demand a joker i want song!

[@pippidraws7710]

I mean, he already loves dancing let the man sing!

[@PauLtus_B]

Unironically: that would've been a cool idea.

[@myettechase]

we was ROBBED

[@indigopines]

I dont remember where I heard this, but with the twist ending, someone once said "if the twist is more boring than the alternative, dont have a twist" ie, it was a made up story, the characters were dreaming, etc.

[@Dumpknoedel]

I think that was trope talks, she's awesome

[@themadladorian4364]

The twist wasn't that it was all made up. It's just the relationship with the girl that was a dream.

[@Crinkfries]

Carbonite Hunter that was still boring tbh, it just made me think “oh, he’s crazy.” When we already knew that

[@TobiasFangorIsntCis]

Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions

[@blinkusfishus2052]

Couch Potato I kinda ‘guessed’ it after she appeared to know his name, even though he never told her, it was my least favourite part of the film.

[@millierae8432]

The phrase "I'll be generous and skip right over clown talent agency" has been cemented in my brain ever since this video came out

[@mlk0-0]

You know, I remember watching this in theaters, and afterwards, I thought "I think I liked it". I remember thinking it felt art film-y, and that I wouldn't say I didn't like it, but there was a vagueness about it to me. When I watched it a second time at home, I felt even more of that "I'm not sure how to feel". Listening to Jenny here really fills in a lot and points to me why I felt that way. This movie doesn't say much, if anything. It's confused, and I'm confused, and I'm wondering if that's the point? In a way? I'm not sure if I should give that sort of assumption for this director, but I think that would be kind of interesting if the film is as convoluted and confused as this iteration of the Joker must be

[@amartyakejora5451]

i feel like if this movie had been made by someone like Scorsese (the guy whose carreer this film basically rips off at almost every turn) i'd at least give him the benefit of the doubt of "hm maybe i am meant to be confused" because as a filmmaker he usually knows at least what he's doing given his extensive career. even though with the same script maybe not even Scorsese would magically make it likable.

[@themarquis336]

Vague is definitely the word

[@jasonkonas]

I love how she matches her outfit to the movie she talks about, but never calls attention to it.

[@jasonkonas]

@callmecatalyst I did hear her say all that, but she never said anything like "Hey, look at my outfit!"

[@jasonkonas]

@Cooper ?? If you mean the kind of person who inadvertently feeds trolls by showing my appreciation for someone, then yeah, I suppose I am.

[@MichelleRedSoul]

Casual Cosplay

[@timothymclean]

I'm sure she's drawn attention to it sometimes, at least as a joke.

[@sirdim3162]

Well she did say "I look like bilbo baggins", even though she looks nothing like him. Guess she just thought " oh I'm wearing a red coat and this guy is also wearing a red coat"

[@kirah2602]

release the video about a dogs purpose trilogy jenny release it

[@xF3arl]

Release the dogger cut!

[@mattpaxton3528]

Let the dogs out!

[@sarasthoughts]

@@mattpaxton3528 so SHE let the dogs out! (Whoof)

[@devinpaul9026]

"Release the hounds."

[@girlykyuu1185]

@@devinpaul9026 release the drone

[@LORDUnLuCkY13]

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this film was shallow as a puddle but presenting itself like its the Pacific ocean

[@wet-read]

Absolutely correct. This is one of several video essays saying why Joker is terrible, in addition to traditional written recirws and social media comments (the longest and most comprehensive of these is just over 1.5 hours!). I also formulated my own list of reasons I think Joker is a bad film, many of which are spoken of elsewhere, and one that nobody else mentioned.

[@endaburns2121]

its exactly the movie you would expect to get if the director of The Hangover watched The King Of Comedy and thought "what if this was a batman movie?"

[@dowl603]

I can't believe Jenny predicted Joker the musical

[@12bees]

jenny's casual joker cosplay is one of my favourite video outfits yet

[@bemiatto67]

Jokerbounding

[@anavila5741]

I didn't even notice but i agree😂

[@nahtans95]

It's pretty fire ngl

[@movimentodoscacos]

"I look like Bilbo Baggins"

[@Savyon0]

@Luigi Nastro You ever danced with the devil in the Shire moonlight?

[@pkmcburroughs]

I thought my life was a tragedy, but now I realize it's an infomercial for a set of steak knives. *effortlessly slices through an empty soda can*

[@lithiumkid]

“baby’s first batman critique” i’m wheezing 😭

[@trueMAXIMUS]

i (as a woman) was initially super put-off by this movie and it’s reception without having seen it. in fact it took a couple years for me to sit down and watch it but then i … genuinely really really loved it haha. that being said jenny’s critique here is entirely valid, and it just goes to show that different views take different things away from the same movie. that also being said, people are insane for attacking her based on something she very clearly and explicitly said was simply HER OPINION lmfao

[@tevenpowell8023]

What do you mean by "attacking"? Alot of people in here are labeling real straightforward criticism as attacks and it's really hampering the discussion around this movie.

[@trueMAXIMUS]

@@tevenpowell8023my darling, if i meant she was receiving valid criticism i would have said that. but what i *said* was people in the comments were attacking her in often quite misogynistic ways. people are allowed to disagree with her, but that’s obviously not what i was talking about.

[@scarredk0]

why did you like it?

[@trueMAXIMUS]

@@scarredk0 idk had good cinematography, unique and interesting plot, colorful costumes and scenery, phenomenal acting. of course this is all IMO if someone didn’t like it (like jenny) i’m not gonna fight them

[@bruhfunny5290]

I agree, I’m a woman who was personally fine with it maybe 7/10 I never really understood where the “it’s for real men” or “only incels liked it” attitude came from, but maybe it’s because i don’t really believe in stereotyping common experiences

[@HeavenlyHavoc]

The biggest problem with making a character study about a "crazy" person like Joker is that most movie writers don't realize that "crazy" people still have an internal logic to their thoughts and actions, even if that internal logic is errant. They're not just acting randomly, there's always a cogent thought process there, even if others don't understand it.

[@sillyd0g]

exactly! like i've had my fair share of delusions and irrational thoughts thanks to mental illness, but my brain isn't just random disconnected scribbles. i have a lot of problems with magical thinking bc of my ocd but even though i know objectively that those thoughts i'm having are borne of mental illness, my brain still manages to make it seem rational and logical in the moment. if i were able to just dismiss all my crazy or intrusive thoughts and recognize them as irrational while i am having them, i wouldn't be mentally ill. i also feel like it's such a cop out and a tell re: the lack of research on mental illness that was done in the writing of this film that arthur's problems feel very much like a random assortment of symptoms of various disorders and that he's generically Crazy. i'm not saying they necessarily needed to give him a canonical diagnosis but the could've at least chosen the symptoms of a specific disorder to assign to him instead of making him just. Nonspecific Crazy Person.

[@ShadowMan64572]

Is this some kind of scientific proven fact, with research done on every single person on the planet, or is it something you just made up?

[@HeavenlyHavoc]

@@ShadowMan64572 I'm sorry, are you asking if it's scientifically proven that human beings with disorders have thoughts behind their actions?? Hate to be the one to break it to you but we had this covered before it was known that the brain was responsible for thought.

[@ShadowMan64572]

@@HeavenlyHavoc That is one hilarious strawman lol. I never said disordered people can't have thoughts behind their actions, I was arguing the possibility that not all of them HAVE to have consistant logic. Insanity is a thing; did you know that it's a thing? Incredible concept, I know lmao

[@ShadowMan64572]

@@HeavenlyHavoc Heck, idk why I'm limiting this to insane people; NORMAL people don't always have consistant logic lol

[@plagueofjoe]

The real message of the Joker: a whole lot of people will get really passionately behind a person or people they like without having any care or understanding of what they do or stand for.

[@DonkeyBoyVids]

That's what I really got from it, Arthur didn't really have a true point besides a sort of twisted revenge, but everyone else thought he was in some way

[@pillbugm8914]

that's a bit like Taxi Driver honestly, which I think The Joker was sort of inspired by along with some other Scorsese films

[@DonkeyBoyVids]

@@pillbugm8914 yeah and obviously so. People would've taken that a lot better though if the DC property weren't attached imo

[@kstar1489]

Ironically that’s what of the fans are doing with this movie

[@BEEEELEEEE]

So it’s about it’s own fans, how meta

[@OctaveDoct0r]

The fact that there's a 12 hour response to this video where a few faceless man-children just get upset the whole time is actually insane to me. Like, imagine spending that much time combing over every second of someone else's opinion on a movie. So bizarre.

[@Clipzilla42]

Surprise, people like to analyze arguments on the Internet. By posting your opinion publicly, you give other people permission to discuss your words. Do you have an example of anything they said that you disagree with? Also, they cover Angry Joe's Joker review in that stream as well as read superchats and discuss other topics, so to present it as a "12 hour response to this video" is misleading although understandable you would conclude that. Basically, she gets a lot wrong factually in this video, so to claim it's "just an opinion" is fairly disingenuous on your part. But I'd still be willing to listen if you have any actual substantive discussion to add that thousands of other people before you haven't already complained about. Cheers!

[@Clipzilla42]

@@towerofgodfan4107 yet you still won’t give me an example of anything they said that you disagree with. So bizarre. Please try to know what you’re talking about so we can have an actual discussion of substance? Like seriously, you’re giving me nothing. At least pretend to have reasons for thinking the way you do?

[@mirillis6083]

​@@Clipzilla42dude get over yourself, no one is gonna watch a 12 hour video complaing that they didn't like this video if they're a fan of Jenny to begin with, acting like you have the moral high ground because someone won't subject themselves of 12 hours of content they don't like is stupid

[@mirillis6083]

​@@Clipzilla42"Why won't you watch a 12 hour video from a guy you don't like and then give me a response"?

[@Clipzilla42]

@@mirillis6083 So you find everyone who criticizes a video they didn’t watch one single second of to be in the right, and if someone asks questions about what they said that’s so egregious, that’s bad? Makes perfect sense! I’m not “forcing” you to watch anything. If you’re gonna talk about something I expect you to at least have some knowledge pertaining to the discussion. But no one can give an actual example, why would they when you can just say “bad cuz 12 hours” even though they also reviewed another review in the same stream. Lmao why do you think I have the moral high ground or implied that in any way? Because I choose the words I use with purpose? Because I’m asking for substantive dialogue? The bar is truly on the floor, so thank you for that…

[@yilvoxe4017]

Remembering how absolutely incandescently enraged a bunch of reddit dudes got over this video... good times. We have made absolutely no progress since this video was posted but it's still funny to look back on a bunch of comments openly being like "You're a WOMAN, of COURSE you wouldn't understand the struggles of a MAN" like that isn't an extremely concerning thing to say in public

[@Go_away__]

Isn't that the same phrase that literally thousands of women say every day though? "You're a man, of course you wouldn't understand the struggles of a women". Also, this movie had nothing to do with gender and was based solely on the depiction of a mentally ill person breaking bad due to the fictional culture around him. It was a character study and that's it. Every single person on the internet made it out to be way bigger of a deal than it actually was.

[@ashleysmith746]

@@Go_away__ Thats..the point they're making. The movie has nothing to do with gender, yet a lot of weird dudes are projecting it onto the film.

[@baltic1940]

​@@ashleysmith746 Who are these weird dudes? All I've seen are mostly respectful disagreements with a few weirdos like everywhere else on the internet.

[@theWebWizrd]

​​@@ashleysmith746 OP said that saying in public that women do not understand the struggle of men is 'extremely concerning'. That certainly suggests that OP believes that such an opinion is not acceptable. I do think that there is a gendered part of the story, in that I think more men deal with issues of feeling invisible and overlooked by society than do women. Women to a greater degree deal with unwanted attention, whilst men to a greater degree deal with lack of attention. That is not to say that 'a woman can't understand the struggle of men' - I think that is blatantly sexist to say - but it's hardly surprising that more men identify with that struggle.

[@MurkyMambo]

@@theWebWizrd There are literally so many accounts of how women are treated as being invisible compared to men. The constant need for the struggle to be symmetrical smells like negligent narcissism which is why men admitting they think that way is concerning. Maybe men just don't struggle as much as women. Maybe you should stop avoiding that reality as unflattering as it may seem.

[@RaeCharm]

Hard Cut: “I look like Bilbo Baggins.”

[@jordanadams4360]

Rei IV why is this kind of comment a thing

[@RaeCharm]

Jordan Adams I accidentally clicked on your profile and I am so amused by the playlist entitled “Best Song.” I know that isn’t even close to the point. I just found it funny.

[@scout2266]

Can you dispute that Tiga - Bugatti (Jauz Remix) [Feat. Pusha T] is not an absolute jam?

[@RaeCharm]

scout I think if I needed to make a playlist of exactly one song, that is the only correct choice.

[@Tobascodagama]

Turns out "Bilbo Baggins cosplay" is actually a really flattering look for Jenny.

[@applecrow8]

I never thought Meryl Streep would make a good Joker but now I have to see her try it.

[@prosimian21]

I'd like to see Joaquin Phoenix singing The Winner Takes It All.

[@ErebosGR]

She would've made a good Harley Quinn, 30 years ago.

[@neutralman9124]

@@ErebosGR She could still do it probably lol

[@SummeRain783]

Loool I just imagined that and I have to say... it makes sense

[@NoahKodeki]

Applecrow well yeah, duh, obviously. Meryl Streep can do anything.

[@Gymrat-sy3lr]

3 years later, still waiting on that dogs purpose trilogy

[@marina6860]

i've seen people make fun of this movie's fans for years, but i always figured it was like a rick and morty/fight club/american psycho situation. like the work in question is actually good, but general audiences have zero media literacy and walk away with a ridiculously literal interpretation. then i watched it. holy shit was this movie bad. like almost unwatchable. i had to take multiple breaks to gather the will to continue. it was like someone was playing a prank on me. like the most offensively bad take on mental illness i have ever seen

[@3nnik]

dude i kept skipping because there was so much damn filler i just couldn’t… 💀 it was insanely bad i’m pretty sure i blocked out like half the movie because i was so bored

[@princessbunny80085]

Yeah I left the theatre when it came out cause my friends wanted to see it but I already knew it would be demonizing mental health and yup I was right and just left like a little over half way through

[@alexanderavila4662]

Then you haven’t seen bad for what it is

[@PeacefulJoint]

Awful lot of people who sniff their own farts in wine glasses around here

[@SergyMilitaryRankings]

@@princessbunny80085 if you think this movie stigmatized mental illness then you didn't get what it was trying to say

[@mike.6092]

"I thought my life was a tragedy but now I realize it's a comedy"-Dr.Doofenshmirtz

[@ollyrye1604]

Still a better origin story than twi- i mean joker

[@frogwhisperer2067]

Man, I would watch the shit out of a gritty Dr Doofenshmirtz movie

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@frogwhisperer2067 that was the phineas and ferb movie

[@alexmuenster2102]

I haven't seen the movie - but as Joker said that line, I was *sure* it would end with, "but now I realize it's a JOKE." Am disappointed.

[@Dycehart]

Literally the moment Sofie said it was okay he was stalking her all day I was like, this is fake and every woman here knows it.

[@KookiesNolly]

unfortunately, some male writers do unironically write similar scenarios so irl, defo fake, in a movie written by a man, who knows?

[@Boodoo4You]

Oh really? You knew the movie was fake from that point? Great detective skills Jessie.

[@zoeywilliams5240]

The lighting would change slightly when Sofie said smth unreasonable. He's insane and the movie shows that via lighting and wording.

[@Spirit123]

What does that have to do with being a woman

[@rosecitystud1908]

I wasn't sure if it was that or if the writer was such a virgin he thought it would actually work. That one was hard to fault one way or the other lol

[@ericmonachello]

This is so validating to go back to and watch. I wasn't good at articulating my feelings on the film but you did it brilliantly while also adding plentiful new points I never thought of that I can say "HEY! That WAS werid!" Thank you

[@eramosat]

jenny is very intelligent and articulate. and delightful...an original!

[@kevthepoet]

She makes valid points. People were hating on her for what?

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

A woman talking about nerd stuff & having opinions

[@Go_away__]

​@@CNWhatImSaiyan That's such a reductive statement considering that many women on youtube (and the internet in general) make outstanding film reviews and analysis. People didn't like her video because it was based on an extremely opinionated experience of the movie and comes across as "I'm smarter than you" when she regularly contradicts herself.

[@EndorJedi985]

@@Go_away__ "I didn't like a movie review because the critic had opinions :("

[@Go_away__]

@@EndorJedi985 that’s not what I said but nice try in being sarcastic. I didn’t like her video because she didn’t say anything of critical value. Her analysis is based on an extremely opinionated views of a movie that she was open about disliking before it even came out. There was no point on making this video.

[@EndorJedi985]

@@Go_away__ "i don't like the video about her opinions because it's too opinionated 🤓"

[@perdita2822]

scene cut from the middle of the movie: Joker watching Hangover 4 for two hours

[@thefischdeo]

This might be the funniest thing I've read this week. Thank you.

[@AddBowIfGirl]

Per Dita 😂😆🤣

[@Arander92]

The true trigger for his madness

[@no_peace]

And takin notes

[@madib7516]

oh so men can applaud at the end of joker but when i applaud at the end of the sonic movie it’s weird? double standards man

[@agfromdai.e3806]

What?

[@isaactovar1702]

The sonic the hedgehog movie is an animated comedy lmao I think anyone would find it a little weird if just about anyone clapped after an animated cOMedy

[@soapthesoap]

You do you bud, you do you.

[@fiend-ish1090]

i- guys they're telling a joke, your nice guy is showing

[@CarrotConsumer]

It's weird you weren't crying.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

The audience reaction to the talk show scene was so disturbing. I don't recall anyone cheering whenever the Joker did something horrible in Batman 89 or The Dark Knight.

[@endaburns2121]

People like fictional violence, and that’s fine. Is people cheering when John Wick shoots a guy disturbing? No. I agree that this movie sucks, and the depiction of the violence as heroic is part of the reason why it sucks, but it is no comment on the morality of the people in the cinema that they enjoyed the violence. Also, no one cheered during the “it’s time to pay the cheque” or “I’m going to make this pencil disappear” scenes? You need better people to go to the cinema with.

[@lillianward2810]

I’m pretty sure I remember people cheering in TDK.

[@jeffreypenis736]

you weren't old enough to see either of those in theatres when they came out

[@chadthundercock4806]

How is it disturbing? It's the intended reaction.

[@jareddepew1467]

Why click on a video that is clearly titled I don’t like this, then become outraged by someone sharing their opinion about said thing they didn’t like

[@shnouth5391]

Because people can have shit takes.

[@zryiii]

@@shnouth5391 Good thing this video isn't that

[@shnouth5391]

@@zryiii It very much is. You got uncomfortable watching the movie suck it up suckboy.

[@oozekip]

I just find it hilarious that Todd Phillips was out there complaining about how he can't make "edgy" humor anymore because people are too sensitive these days the same year JoJo Rabbit won an Oscar. You know, that critically acclaimed comedy about a child in the Hitler Youth who has an imaginary friend Hitler played by the films director.

[@wetsock7790]

Exactly. You can make movies about heavy topics, what these dingbats don't understand is that you still have to be sensible with how you're treating the villain and not side with him while also understanding the weight of the situation

[@daniellee9328]

Jojo Rabbit wasn't edgy at all. Making fun of Hitler and the Nazis is an incredibly safe thing to do.

[@zircobyte]

@@daniellee9328 you would think, right? But it’s easy to accidentally slip into antisemetic sentiments, especially when you have internalised antisemetic issues you haven’t addressed; and some anti-nazi comedy seems to take the piss more out of the scale of the Holocaust, or it’s methods, and less about the fact that Jewish people (also: Romani people, the disabled, poc and gay people) specifically were the ones targeted. That’s just what I’ve spotted, anyway.

[@tonytynebridge510]

@@zircobyte go outside

[@zircobyte]

@@tonytynebridge510 Went outside. My dog enjoyed the walk. Thanks for the feedback

[@ActuallyNotHayden]

Murray died for putting Arthur in his cringe compilation

[@MaxIronsThird]

Not really, he was going to kill himself in front of Murray because of that, but then he got so into his nerves and wouldn't stop confronting him, and Arthur(Joker by that point) just said enough and offed him.

[@azrieldawson7377]

We live in a society, Murreh

[@guyr3618]

Murray died for not calling security the moment Arthur said he killed people.

[@guineapig55555]

@@guyr3618 and screw up his ratings?

[@JohnMiller-sr7dk]

Guy R yah that was kinda dumb.....they let Arthur go on ranting for like 10 minutes, and didn’t cut the feed once he started shooting 😂

[@fairygothmother111]

this video rocked!! said everything i was thinking about the movie - i started it and literally couldn’t get past the first few scenes it felt like the director was literally nudging me being like “did ya get it”

[@lexo30]

28:16 The whole bit about people who try to justify shoddy writing by saying "Well it's all taking place in the mind of a madman so it's not supposed to make sense." YES! A THOUSAND TIMES YES! I am so sick of people who make that kind of non-argument. I love that Jenny takes aim at that because SO much bad writing has been excused that way.

[@virginiafernandez6846]

I’m gonna be honest, as a woman, I was completely willing to believe that a man would write a woman being delighted to watch him do stand-up comedy

[@nilsjohnson2636]

That was a part of Arthur's delusion, remember?

[@RoseInTheWeeds]

@@nilsjohnson2636 The point I think she was making is that many men write women horribly across media, so when this woman was turned on by the weird stalker, and laughing at his terrible jokes, it didn't register as not normal and maybe part of a delusion because some men would write a woman like that without the delusion. A commentary on the greater media and not this movie.

[@orangeants]

@@nilsjohnson2636 I feel like you're proving the general spirit of this comment lol

[@mrkennady]

Just admit that you’re too dumb to understand what the movie was about.

[@RoseInTheWeeds]

@@headflap7569 ​ @headflap I never said that was what the movie was trying to say. Neither did OP. I explained the op's comment on why they didn't even second guess why the woman love interest would fall in love with her weird stalker since women are often written so badly in other movies. Plenty of movies reward predatory/weird men for having the woman they act predatory towards fall for them. Be it women falling for kidnappers, stalkers, or other toxic/violent/obsessive behaviors. If anything, I would say the subversion of the trope is a good point hidden inside the rest of what Joker is trying to say, as many will see the woman falling for him and just handwave it to usual bad writing of women, or as a nice romance, he was able to find in a woman who gets him a somewhat, before the reveal says, "Why would you think this would ever work out? That isn't how people work." So to rephrase my first comment: OP was critiquing the trope found in writing women in media, a trope that Joker actually subverts in saying, "Only someone mentally unstable would actually think this type of relationship would work, or that a woman would actually react in a 'rewarding' way to men who do this." Hope that clears up any miscommunication.

[@frankfilmic]

I actually cheered during the Talk Show scene in the theatre because he says "society" and I had just spent the previous two hours waiting for the memes.

[@willvermillion1025]

Barnacl3Boi he says society right before he does a big bad

[@Palendrome]

@@Barnacl3_Boi I think you meant script said "system", but Joaquin says "society", yes

[@mastermarkus5307]

That's the best reason.

[@akhaeranu]

And also when the mob says "Rise up! Rise up!"

[@jalves6494]

Still wondering exactly where the joke is here, Whats so funny about the word society? Lol

[@leoncoopermarques3460]

Joker thinks crazy frog is just a normal frog

[@user-zh4vo1kw1z]

Main takeaway: I now want Meryl Streep as a Joker. TBH, I sincerely do think it would be a decent fit. And not just cuz any role she played was perfect for her through just the virtue of being played by her. Also not just cuz of the collective stroke that would rid us of a large section of the joker-bro's. If anyone can dominate just by sheer presence it's her, she has a great talent for voices and accent which would fit the multiple choice past of the Joker and give it a nice uncanny valley kinda vibe, She is great in drama, but hilarious when she does comedy and clearly enjoys being a baddy Her age would prevent the more physical aspects of prime Joker, but one of his most unnerving appearances is in Dark Knight Returns and he isn't Jim Carreying about in that

[@taurine5561]

I would sell my soul to see that

[@janfausto5626]

Meryl Streep is the Joker we NEEDED!

[@Rognik]

Is there any role she can't play?

[@MrTheheadcase]

@@Rognik Herself, Daniel Day Lewis already has that role locked down for the biopic. OTOH, she is cast as Daniel Day Lewis.

[@notyournormalg1]

But the Joker we got is the Joker we deserved.

[@MrDj232]

No joke, Streep as Flashpoint Joker could be a fantastic film.

[@stewieismyhomeboy]

God that would be perfect

[@TheGeekygirl98]

he was a dancing queen

[@ChardBothamYT]

and god help anyone who dared to disrespect his dancing

[@j24030]

young and sweet, definitely not 17

[@ArkhamJacks]

Living in a society

[@xlukalee]

the clown queen of crime

[@kobi7955]

@@ChardBothamYT I understood that reference

[@WPOD98]

I'm glad that you are reminding that Batman was a kids comic created 80 years ago. Because people completely forget that when they are praising Tim Burton's Batman movies, or the 90's Animated Series for being sooooooo dark and sooooooo serious, while criticizing Joel Schumacher's Batman movies for being too silly and colorful. It seems to be commonly assumed that all Batman adaptation should be dark and/or taken very seriously, or else they'll be viewed as bad.

[@essa6315]

Saying that end of Joker is about writer director Todd Phillips not being able to make another Hangover movie is such an adept skewering I feel bad for him.

[@corelei]

"I'm not auditioning for Cinema Sins here" 😂

[@1LilSpark]

Cordula The Platypus lets be real Jenny would be excellent at Cinema Sins

[@MelodicQuest]

(ding)

[@thomasjenkins7506]

@bertasu wow, sexist much?

[@ebransc09]

You would not make the cut

[@krislove1167]

HaremGodRance goddammit why must you have an anime picture. I was trying to prove a point

[@soup1649]

Before i saw Joker i thought life was a cringe compilation, but now i realize it's a try not to laugh challenge.

[@emememememememememe]

this is so good

[@Loogoni]

@@lilwerner1518 why were you looking at their channel banner???

[@thenoltzone498]

@@Loogoni To shame them. Imagine watching anime

[@edgystuffretarkidnormcring330]

Imagine watching joker

[@edgystuffretarkidnormcring330]

« Humanity is a failure » your parents when they had you

[@renee8591]

I feel like one issue with movies like The Joker is that it's not enough to be enjoyable because it's also supposed to be a serious movie. Like if you were to say Justice Leauge was kind of stupid/bad but you still enjoyed it, no one would really bat an eye. But to say The Joker was kind of stupid/bad but you still enjoyed it doesn't work quite as well because it's not a fun superhero romp, it's a serious character study. Serious character studies don't get to be a little (unintentionally) stupid and still be serious character studies. Which is fine, except that the more unhinged fans are drawn to this film because it's a serious, deep film. The second it stops being taken seriously, it just becomes the "we live in a society" meme movie, and people who want to use enjoying this movie as an intellectual bragging point just become jokes. That's why the Joker can't just be an enjoyable movie to certain fans, it has to be a Good movie.

[@wet-read]

It might be serious, but it isn't deep. Like at all. The script leaves no room for any real suspense or subtlety. This is just one among several other glaring problems.

[@mammoneymelon]

i think you explained the problem with the movie very well. arthur's character doesn't feel super fleshed out in this CHARACTER study, his actions don't seem to have a clear purpose to him, so the movie just turns into a joke about fake deep, half thought out storytelling (and incel talking points)

[@skullguy8504]

When will we get out gritty, dark Jenny origin movie?

[@nikkovalidor4890]

The story of a woman denied her petting zoo and have gone to murder very specific Disney executives

[@JamesCalbraith]

That was MLP: FiW, just substitute Jenny for Pinkie.

[@ChiefVizier]

Watch her early youtube

[@mlovecraftr]

"No one cared who I was until I got these porgs" "Do you wanna know how I got these porgs?"

[@dragoniraflameblade]

She was summoned into our mortal world instead of birthed.

[@Jamie-bu9cq]

*makes a joke, laughs* "The Joker would like that."

[@JackCoded]

Nearly five years later and I'm still not over this brazen unprovoked attack on hard-working clowns.

[@spiraljumper74]

Wow, public opinion really turned around on this video! Two years ago edgelords were straight brigading it and now look, no dislikes!

[@jacktonsauron8185]

@Eroshap98 pack your bags to simp city soy boy

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

It has 17k dislikes

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

You do realize no video has dislikes anymore because KZbin turned that option off after their own company ad video was largely disliked? You can only see them if you look at KZbin through certain engines.

[@spiraljumper74]

@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 That’s the joke brother.

[@SkyFilledPond]

I laughed out loud at ‘I’m in a hospital for the criminally insane because I’m insane, then I became a criminal’

[@scottgamedev]

*almost 19 minutes into the video* "... I look like Bilbo Baggins." THAT'S who I was thinking of!!

[@1LilSpark]

Young Scott I was actually thinking that would make a sweet Mr.Toad Disneybound

[@iloveyourunclebob]

@@1LilSpark my autocomplete slightly dyslexic brain kicked in and read that as "Mr. Sweeney Todd".

[@jbschr]

Those guys that made a 12-hour response video to this one were giving me flat-earther vibes. Cringe.

[@Clipzilla42]

Example of anything they said that made you feel that way?

[@gobogoo2329]

@@Clipzilla42 sea lion spotted

[@Clipzilla42]

@@gobogoo2329 so “anyone who tries to clarify someone else’s perspective is a troll” okay good to know who I’m dealing with here

[@Clipzilla42]

@@gobogoo2329 I’m genuinely asking, because I’m fairly baffled at how someone could honestly listen to the points being made and write them off by comparing them to flat earthers. Trying to present my question as sea lioning is pretty scummy deflection. Obviously my question bothers you for some reason, but at least try to engage with it honestly…

[@marvelousball]

​@@Clipzilla42you're so angry lmao

[@Scaargarcia9995]

It’s totally fine that you didn’t like this film. When I went to see this movie this theaters I absolutely loved it, but now I’m starting to see the problems with this movie. I think I still like it, but just not as much when I first saw it.

[@Necrow_Productions]

IMO, I think it's a lot better then a lot of other movies we are getting. It is also very refreshing when it comes to comic book movies.

[@Scaargarcia9995]

@@Necrow_ProductionsI totally understand that. 👍

[@angrybidoof847]

Joker feels like the story Joker told Harley Quin to get her sympathy

[@laylahuff2877]

Angry Bidoof this comment changed me

[@laylahuff2877]

Planetary Ray you’re right and you should say it

[@corelei]

@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil look at his fans tho lol

[@alilaro]

@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil "joker isn't an incel"

[@KingOfDarknessAndEvil]

@@corelei Yeah it's really weird that so many incels are big fans of someone who completely goes against their ideology. I'm guessing half of them don't know shit about him and just think he's edgy and cool or something.

[@pointandthink]

Turns out the society that we live in were the friends we made along the way.

[@madsstokes]

Okay but Meryl Streep as the Joker though.

[@aaron1125]

I was expecting this to be some sort of "the movie is made for incels" bullshit review based on how some losers made an 11hr response but this is actually very smart and insightful-coming from someone who really enjoyed the movie.

[@Clipzilla42]

So when I don’t know how to counter someone, or when someone does a thing I personally wouldn’t do, I can just call them a loser? Sweet!

[@trevor7520]

@@Clipzilla42 Mad because they're ridiculous and loserish for malding that bad for 11 hours over a very fair review, arent you

[@Clipzilla42]

@@trevor7520 A fair review? Did you watch it? I’m still waiting for examples of something that you disagree with… If you can’t provide anything to back up what you say, you might be the one malding and coping

[@trevor7520]

@@Clipzilla42 babygirl I'm talking about jenny's review being fair. also the fact that you're still messing your pants over thinking making an 11 hour response is cringe is insane, like are you haunted? are you unwell? are you da joker babey

[@keyona770]

I feel like the entire movie is the embodiment of the phrase: "we live in a society."

[@ataricidal]

which is why i despise it

[@riley8385]

It tries to be deep but ends up saying nothing at all because it was written by a coward. It should have latched onto the class disparity theme, but instead downplayed the radical discourse by making Joker state that he's not political. This is something very common in these kind of movies, because they know class analysis is very polarizing among people confortable with the status quo, which most of their audience. Ironically, the writer complains about people being "too PC" but he's guilty of *actual* political correctness.

[@atheistmando4976]

@@ataricidal The film was not that "We live in a society". The film was about the society not paying attention to the lower class of society, mental issues, and walking over the people that die because they dont matter to them. And how the media villifies them, without trying to understand why, when mostof the time it is the media and rich's fault for villifying them, and in exchange lionizing them. Because just like what Thomas Wayne did, villified those that went on strike. Only to than lionize the idol of the clown. Leading to chaos and outrage. And Joker only related to that, because he himself was mocked by those above him. Especially his idol.

[@atheistmando4976]

@@riley8385 Well, your endorsement of the pc culture kinda pushes that. Because lets face it. Theres nothing fond about modern day feminism. I bet if joker was whaman. You would of liked it cause girl power. It wasnt meant to be political as a character, it was a political film. Actually left leaning. And it was something that influenced Arthur to join in the end. Because he had a purpose. He was loved for who he was. He had the attention he was deprived of. Something that could drive any human mad.

[@MM-jc7uv]

John Clark the movie is overrated. Wasn’t even a Joker film, it was just about some depressed unstable guy who eventually goes apeshit because no one likes him but they made him the joker so it makes money. I completely agree that it’s the embodiment of “we live in a society” 😂. It’s a depressed teen’s dream

[@plantling5864]

the amount of comments stating you “just didn’t get it, it’s too deep” with no sense of self awareness or satire is equally hilarious and staggering

[@_Ikelos]

It's not that deep, it's very simple and to the point despite a couple of red herrings. But it makes a lot of people here uncomfortable so they have to engage in massive mental gymnastics to shoot it down.

[@taboowriter9229]

Yeah people who enjoy a thing you dont have no self awareness lmao

[@crisbernabe2866]

The movie is being carried by his acting, and the lore of the joker. Not too difficult.

[@jacksonelh]

@@_Ikelos maybe it's just a bad movie bro. it's got a shit script completely carried by the acting. it's got cringe politics shoehorned in like the purge. it drags hard and it lingers on the same shit til the end scene. it tries way too hard to "subvert expectations" and just ends up subverting being good. imagine how good it could've been if it was a straight up dark comedy. cut out the unnecessary shit like the mum and the protests. make it a twisted version of a superhero origin. instead it's just the first 20 minutes repeated over and over for 2 hours until the talk show scene

[@Riprake]

I'd say to "get" why so many people liked this movie, you have to have a bit of a background that Jenny and the other detractors mostly don't have. In my case, it helps that I was a big comics fan in the 1990s when the fandom for mainstream comic books was at its apogee. That was an ideal time to learn some of the lore underlying the movie's main themes, such as: 1. Why all the indecisiveness about whether any of this story happened or not? Because the Joker's origin has *always* been (in his own words) "multiple-choice" and this movie certainly wasn't going to change that. If this movie had tried to make the Joker's origin absolutely unambiguous, it would have been going against nearly eight decades of the comic books' lore. 2. Why the movie's indecisiveness about politics? Because like the movie itself, the comic books' various iterations of the Joker have so often been a kind of Rorschach test onto which people project their own beliefs and ideologies. The movie's main point is self-demonstrating: that in analyzing some controversial incident or phenomenon, *especially* in a highly politicized setting (such as Gotham in an election year), people will tend to see what they want to see. 3. Why the story's focus on the society rather than on the character? Because another longstanding part of the comics' lore has been to answer the question "Killing the Joker sure seems like it would solve a lot of problems, so why doesn't Batman just do that?" with "No, the Joker is only a symptom of Gotham's depravity, not a root cause, so killing him wouldn't really solve anything." Hence why Arthur Fleck is such a nonentity throughout the movie; to show that if anyone were to kill him, Gotham's cruel and heartless society would simply twist some other lowly nonentity into a new Joker or maybe even somebody worse.

[@watsonxox7145]

My bf works at a clown talent agency.

[@DynamicAero]

Hey, I disagree with your critique and enjoyed the movie more than you did. I thought it had value where you didn't, and that can be attributed just as much to our preferences and our frame of mind when watching the movie as much as anything else. Time to write a 75 hour script about how you're wrong though.

[@clarko.3813]

What's the channel name? I wanna laugh at it

[@ithinkyournoseisbleeding4258]

it’s crazy that she gave a reasonable and pretty well argued perspective on a movie, but one that she totally presented as subjective and her opinion, yet people still freaked out and downvoted her obsessively

[@WhitneyHaverstock]

Hahaha. I think it only registers a 👎 once per person, but I know what you meant. 😁

[@NoName-th2hy]

Because she's not actually making any points, it's her job to just dislike any popular movie.

[@ithinkyournoseisbleeding4258]

@@NoName-th2hy you can find many examples of her enjoying things on this channel youre just being annoying lol

[@JC20XX]

@@NoName-th2hy is this the only video of hers you've watched?

[@fishbutler6170]

@@NoName-th2hy yea something tells me you didn't watch the video

[@52flyingbicycles]

Life of Pi was a great examination of unreliable narrators and storytelling to prove deeper points. Unreliable narrators are plot devices, not crutches. Everything put into a story is put there intentionally, so you can’t cop out with “oh it was fake” because all fiction is fake that doesn’t make it pointless.

[@elijahwinchester6690]

literally loved Life of Pi.

[@EspeonMistress00]

The book or the movie?

[@52flyingbicycles]

@@EspeonMistress00 book

[@albertskoften1452]

I didn't like Life of Pi. I thought it was pretentious, and trying too hard to be a work of great literature. As a result, it didn't have any meaning outside of the shallow subtext Martel decided it should have. Shakespeare's plays are so multi-faceted and debated precisely because he doesn't try to shove a single interpretation down our throats. Good for a high school English class. Terrible everywhere else. When I met Yann Martel at a lecture series, all he talked about was some Christian pseudo-epistemological nonsense, and that is exactly what this book is: a man deciding the only way he can continue following a religion he as a rational man knows is superstition is if nothing is really true and nobody really knows anything. Well, let me tell you something, Martel. You're not the first person in the world to come up with solipsism. It's about the most played out theory in all of metaphysics. It's impossible to disprove, and it doesn't lead to any further truth whatsoever. Only someone who knows nothing about philosophy thinks it's deep. This isn't even getting into all the cultural appropriation of a Canadian writing about an Indian Hindu/Muslim. I am embarrassed to call Yann Martel my countryman.

[@charlieisntthere7328]

ok

[@tecc]

Y’all. The comment section on this video is the Wild West. The fact people are still this passionate 3 years later…take a deep breath. It’s just a movie. ~it’s not that deep~

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

Y'ALL. Where? I'm scanning the comments and all I see is sycophants for this woman. And people complaining about angsty comments which don't exist. The video has 76k likes and 17k dislikes. Do you people thrive on victimhood?

[@rae-everything]

Is it wrong for me to wonder how this movie would have went over if Joker was an immigrant, or fat, or played by an unknown actor? Would some fans be as sympathetic to Arthur's pain, and subsequent lashing out in pain? Genuinely curious.

[@tristantries9211]

The joker overlaid on mama Mia was actually hilarious

[@amartyakejora5451]

now i want the cast, crew & writers of joker to make a mama mia sequel and the cast crew & writers of mama mia to make a joker sequel. and it be released on the same day.

[@lillianward2810]

Absolutely

[@becauseimafan]

I laughed so much at that part! 😂😂😂

[@sethrogaine]

Bazinga funny right

[@makeitthrough_]

​@@sethrogaineMald

[@Glenevere]

I had the same reaction when she first said "They don't care about people like you..." I was like, hold up, shes been portrayed as someone who doesn't actually listen or care about his mental health... and then she finished with "...or people like me." Ahhh she only said that because she's thinking about herself while he's telling her about his mental health. So I think it fits.

[@Jotari]

Precisely. She's being selfish. Equating her, comparitively minor life problems to his super serious life threatening problems.

[@amberreid1059]

Yes.

[@lucy9518]

Yeah and It felt like she was saying it too because it was "there's no point talking to me about it, the city doesn't care about either of us"

[@demongo2007]

It totally fits with his entire experience with the process of working with the social worker, and her final comment is the send-off fuck you to Arthur: the whole time he’s been going through the process he’s been thinking and telling her how he feels fucked up and this isn’t helping him-and then at the very end she basically validates all he’s been thinking of his experience. “Yeah, you’re cut off and on the street with your problems, and I never gave a shit about you anyway.” How could it have happened any other way?

[@PandaGodBossMode4GetRecked]

This is why she does this "out of character". Bc its who she really is. Most characters are like this in the movie. Pretending to like Author until they break bc they think he'll get better if they just sit and put on a mask.

[@leiajiang7877]

Only thing I disagree with is the first point. I'm pretty sure either gq or something had a psychology or psychiatrist review the scene said it made sense. They said in the beginning the social worker is experiencing sympathy fatigue and the only time she was real with Arthur was when she complained to him about her anger on funding getting cut.

[@ParadigmDreamspace]

I think I really enjoyed the movie because all those slow boring parts ended up feeling uncomfortable, it was a movie that made me uncomfortable in a way not many other movies could. It felt believable to me that he could not really have a "political" stance, because everything he stood for and everyone he killed was all for internal selfish reasons, but that also further made the character and his decisions all the more uncomfortable to watch.

[@sashae2848]

theres something almost poetic about todd phillips using arthur as a mouthpiece for how he feels about no one finding him funny and not realizing that, as you said, arthur's problem isn't that he's offensive. he's just not funny.

[@mirandakaplan927]

@D2 E2 cause you're watching the vid lmao

[@mugwump9131]

D2 E2 are you okay

[@Crinkfries]

D2 E2 oof, calm down.

[@Crinkfries]

D2 E2 I shall clutch them, D2 E2. I shall clutch them tighter than ever before.

[@Crinkfries]

D2 E2 -you also like your own comments? Sad-

[@jtcf1992]

In defense of the world being comically mean, it is Gotham City. I really didn’t find it comically mean tbh. 1970s NYC was a rough place.

[@FourLetterLWord]

Plenty of comics have gotham as unrealistically shitty but still believable. Hell Hub City exists in thr DC universe to explicilty one up Gotham in shittiness and still isnt as hamhanded as Jokers Gotham. When you can't be more subtle than a literal comic book you're just a shitty world builder.

[@ArcticENG]

@@FourLetterLWord ... Except 1970's- 80's New York was very similar to this. It was a bad time. I loved how they brought that rough time back to life and it's so naive to think this was over the top.

[@FourLetterLWord]

@@ArcticENG what was over the top was the terrible script, not the set design, you simpleton

[@Sil3ntKn1ght]

@@FourLetterLWord How so?

[@FourLetterLWord]

@@Sil3ntKn1ght there is a difference between pointlessly villainous and believably malicious. All the people who antagonized Fleck had either no internal consistency or just no sensible motive at all, their entire motivation as characters was to be there to antagonize Fleck as plot devices. It's a textbook "kick the puppy" trope where it benefits them in no way as characters to do what they do, it just helps a bad story teller communicate in the bluntest and least sophisticated way that theyre "bad" people; emphasis on the bad and not the "people." It's also just kind of funny that Fleck's big thing is whining about being invisible when literally everyone in the movie exists to directly interact with him personally. You can be invisible, or people can incoherently go out of their way to victimize you specifically, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[@ulpisen]

maybe the reason the store was going out of business is because they are bad at budgeting, wasting money on clown talent agencies?

[@ivanak2175]

i think all your points are totally valid criticism, and i aggree with most of them even though i LOVE the movie. The only thing that i disagree with is your view of Arthur’s mental illness and trauma. Stopping his medication and losing everything he loved (the love from his mother, a potential father, his job, an imagined romance and his respect for his father figure/idol) is not too far fetched for a change in his personality. As the joker it’s the perfect way to show that the only way he experiences peace of mind is within the chaos and violence, where he has lived all his life and where people seem to « love him » or « respect him » in a twisted way. And about his motivations, i thought the movie made it pretty obvious that he wanted to be loved or at least cheered on as a performer. That’s why his lowest point is when his idol ridicules him, his potential father rejects him, his mother is revealed as the main source of his troubles and his romance isn’t real, he isn’t loved or respected by anyone. The highest point is then at the end, surrounded by violence and strangers, but cheered on like a popular figure on stage.

[@ivanak2175]

its true that the ending wasn’t very good, too easy of a cop-out option indeed

[@seanvti]

Someone: "How much lighting do you want?" Jenny: "Yes"

[@JelaniThexElite123]

LMAO

[@odoloid]

This was a little overlit, haha

[@TheReZisTLust]

Jenny: Show the light of God to my Porg

[@nmonye01]

😂😂😂

[@MrSkme]

"Unless i look like twice as white as snow white its not enough"