Jeremy Corbyn and Yanis Varoufakis | HOW TO AVERT GLOBAL CATASTROPHE | Podcast 10

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[@andreskorge1828]

On many channels but his (often silly) has good lead. Nb!

[@andreskorge1828]

Oct7 was allowed to to happen for greater expansion agenda

[@andreskorge1828]

Exposure fizzled out Even on Wion and Israeli newsfeed

[@andreskorge1828]

Is game changer as not all want to be ♟

[@andreskorge1828]

Thank you- much Good channel ❤

[@zahid1909]

It is beyond excitement to see Jeremy and Yanis together!! Long live these good people.

[@xxxvvv9172]

two loser

[@xxxvvv9172]

Quatschköpfe - Träumer - Machtlose

[@fibanacci8]

Truly..

[@PeppermintPatties]

I'm so grateful for Jeremy Corbyn in the UK. He's on the right side of everything, every time. I really hope he's re-elected in the general election.🤞

[@xxxvvv9172]

J.C. has caused the BREXIT

[@Feechurd]

he was attacked by some thug with an egg and that could easily dissuade the best of us. He is being stalked by unseen power players and not only needs to be protected but actively supported. He needs a hand.

[@TimJohnson-x1o]

The US literally said they did everything they could to do to get rid of him and they'd do it again. the UK establishment did as well. so good luck with that. you dont live in a democracy.

[@cazbrian6]

You mean he's on the ' left ' side of everything 😊 lol

[@KKTR3]

Years ago, I started a Facebook group along the lines of don’t sleepwalk into a Jeremy government help stop Jeremy. Just organically it grew to a couple of hundred members 300 or something . How strange to think now that I think possibly the only hope for Britain would’ve been if Jeremy had been elected . Politicians, we have now seem to be playing nuclear poker with Russia . And I don’t think Joe would’ve entered that card game.

[@jamespires3383]

Hopefully Corbyn remains in the house. He understands the narrative and yet remains a moralist. Hard to find such people in uk politics.

[@Nine-Signs]

I will give you an exhaustive list: Dave Nellist Tony Benn Jeremy Corbyn erm.... nope, thats it. 🤷‍♂ 🤷‍♂ I could have added Zara Sultana but as she is busy green lighting the most horrific forms of gentrification across my city I dare say she has somewhat fallen at the first hurdle. -.-

[@ibrahimkuyumcu2649]

Hard to find anyone like that in Europe as a whole.

[@LokiBeckonswow]

well said, great points thanks mate, I hope many listen to these words

[@Sadie3023]

…and Tony Benn’s son is back pedddling on all his father did and spoke on.

[@Nine-Signs]

@@Sadie3023 Tony Benn's son, Like Kamala Harris incidentally, is proof that not only can the apple fall far from the tree but that it can be lofted up and caried faaaar away on an ill wind. -.-

[@patcampton7163]

Always great to hear Corbyns, measured, intelligent , calm voice.

[@PaddyMacDaddy101]

The man always speaks sense.

[@TheLampini]

We don't get to hear from him nearly enough, nor Yanis... ❤

[@sineadadamus2099]

💯

[@roders007]

😂

[@brianlopez8855]

at least he believes in something.

[@dalereynolds7638]

If we were a better country, Jeremy Corbyn would be our Prime Minister, who would make it a better country. ~ Dale Reynolds, American writer in London

[@Truerealism747]

Is dale Reynolds a famous writer Ile look him up he's in the button

[@jazura2]

​@@Truerealism747What does that mean in English?

[@dasdasdatics420]

Like the Judean crowds in the bible, they sacrificed good in favour of barabus and bad.

[@specialflake4166]

An America Writer in London

[@AnnaHall-nt8kx]

Jeremy frightened them, an economy based on fairness and reward for just participating.

[@allegory6393]

Whoever is watching this and lives in London or near London, please volunteer for the campaign to re-elect Jeremy Corbyn as an independent in Islington North. The Tory B Team and the disgusting Mandelson are fiercely campaigning there for the candidate they imposed on that constituency, a private health 'care' consultant who champions the privatisation of our NhS. Voters in Islington North do not even know Jeremy is no longer part of the Labour Party (there is no Labour Party to be part of). They don't know who the pseudoLP's candidate is either, as he is avoiding the hustings. The neo-lib ghouls had a constituency debate on healthcare cancelled because they knew what was going to happen.

[@annenunney9907]

Well said I would have definitely voted for Jeremy if i was in that area I just wish him all the very best

[@janewright2800]

Absolutely true. I would vote for him in a heartbeat if I was in the area x would rather he was our primeminister!

[@allegory6393]

@sandponics Nobody with a brain in Australia is laughing, they know it is true. Now, you go back to sleep.

[@KKTR3]

Years ago, I started a Facebook group along the lines of don’t sleepwalk into a Jeremy government help stop Jeremy. Just organically it grew to a couple of hundred members 300 or something . How strange to think now that I think possibly the only hope for Britain would’ve been if Jeremy had been elected . Politicians, we have now seem to be playing nuclear poker with Russia . And I don’t think Joe would’ve entered that card game.

[@janewright2800]

​@@KKTR3Thanks for helping to prevent the best primeminister we could have had!! But at least you admit to it now

[@friedaelizabethchorlton8654]

I love to hear Corbyn for his calm truth and tenacious character for justice and hope.

[@vincestorror6843]

Jeremy corbyn I apologise for my ignorance I have never like u over the years due to the way the media have portrayed you.this has been a big mistake we need people like you . Thanks

[@fuckbankers]

The chicken coup

[@jimpaddy79]

Good on you, it takes a person of real character to say they were wrong and change their mind.

[@cupajoy8498]

The propaganda machine is powerful and all encompassing in the West. You found independent media, and that is all that counts. Independent media is the answer to saving the world!!

[@NermalSunny]

@sandponicsand evidence suggests he isn’t?

[@hayleyanna2625]

Another fantastic episode. Jeremy Corbyn is a brilliant public servant and life long activist. A good man. Thank you for this insightful conversation.✨

[@leftgrrl]

He's a grifter no different from Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage.

[@AdamBowley-yb3kd]

Yeah who supports terrorism

[@KlausBahnhof]

@@leftgrrl Uh-huh 🙄

[@NermalSunny]

@@leftgrrlhey there take your tinfoil hat off and get some more information

[@leftgrrl]

@@NermalSunny the soil of Treblinka is soaked in his guilt

[@ryandmaal]

Listening to Jeremy Corbyn, I still think the British lost a great chance in not electing him in 2019 and the years before.

[@DuanRussel]

100%, we didn't know what we had. Scary to think how successfully the media/high society vilified him as some sort of extremist for daring to suggest we make some changes. shows why Labour are only successful now because they aren't suggesting any real changes.

[@denzel270]

I am very proud of the fact I voted against that disgusting man

[@fightthepowerman]

​@DuanRussel It's ridiculous. The system is so starkly in need of deep reform. The central philosophies are outdated and false. We live our lives despite our government, not because of it.

[@DuanRussel]

@@fightthepowerman totally agree. And the more the central parties pretend the wider the divide becomes as every looks to the elsewhere for answers.

[@buriedpet]

I’m not from the UK, but I still feel y’all’s pain. He was a chance for real change, and the establishment destroyed him for it. The fact that the impotent Labor party is the closest thing you have to a progressive option is tragic. It’s the same as the Democrats here in the US. They are put in power by the establishment under the implicit agreement that they can never make any real changes. They are not progressives. They are traitors to their country, loyal only to their donors. It’s absolutely vile. The Right is vile too, but at least they’re honest to their voters…

[@zeddybear257]

I am a fan of Varoufakis’ since he is intelligent and also ethical and his heart is in the right place - our world would do well to have more leaders such as he is to share in the urgency he experiences as necessary. Although I am not as familiar with Corbyn (I am from Canada where we have loads of our own problems and I’ve ‘checked out’ over the past while), I will search him online and appreciate his measured approach. This was a good conversation and I was glad to hear many of my own thoughts discussed. Very good points all around.

[@kemalistdevrimturkaydnlanm168]

He is a leftist but when it comes to his own country’s interests , he becomes a far right propagandist.

[@PEPG2024]

Jeremy is right - we have all the information at our disposal, but no one looks for it. Very thankful to the independent journalists who are trying to buck that trend.

[@Nine-Signs]

70% of those under 45 who voted for him did. 70% of those over 50 who voted for a corrupt right wing bastard, did not. It is not the fault of the younger gens that their elders outnumber them 2 to 1 and had bloody comfortable lives by comparison just to say.

[@SusieGee1]

Jeremy ❤❤❤ as long as there are people like you there is hope ❤

[@cretumarius9616]

JC the best PM British people never had.

[@denzel270]

Thank god we didn't.

[@cretumarius9616]

@@denzel270 you got the Boris the clown instead, what can I say is that you fully deserve all the outcome of your choice

[@funbarsolaris2822]

​@denzel270 Oh yes thank god we had Boris, Truss and Rish!. So good that our economy has been completely destroyed and 100s of 1000s of people died unnecessarily and millions left disabled thanks to their criminally negligent covid response. Thank god crime has risen beyond measure and our hospitals are on the brink of collapse with millions waiting for vital operations. Thank god everyone's mortgages and rents have more than doubled along with energy prices. Are you terminaly thick?

[@Truerealism747]

​@@cretumarius9616don't let them wind you there brainwashed to under stand until it's to late to see but Ines who do must stick together🎉

[@cpcnw]

@@denzel270 Why?

[@hannahcharles1]

Well said Jeremy. So in touch and knowledgeable of the needs and issues within society. You are my prime minister and I, as well as so many, support you all the way!

[@georgemeacham8591]

The Australians have been done like a kipper with the AUKUS deal. As the marvelous Tony Woodford put it in Utopia: "so let me get this straight, we are spending $30bn a year, to protect our trade routes with China........from China?"

[@axnax1]

The US and UK are internationally criminal. The support and encouragement for The terrorist state of Israel tells you a lot. But bare this in mind my friend. If Australia tried to go a different way the US would impose sanctions and issue threats some veiled and some blatant. If Australia still didn't fall in line then the US would, without doubt, seek regime change through CIA operations at first. Then by invasion citing links to terrorism or whatever it wants to conjure up. These are scary times. The US is in decline and is doing mad things to try and scare leaders into not going against its demands. The world, therefore, is being held hostage by the US and its abuse of power. Dark v light is playing out right now.

[@axnax1]

@sandponics I don't know if Aus, or the UK for that matter, have the balls to tell the US where to stick it. Let's not forget the US likes to throw sanctions and warnings around. And how do you think Aus would fare if the US sent bombers and warships ? The US love starting wars (not so good at winning them) so i think our countries are in fear of what the US might do. 'Special relationship' my arse.

[@junehawker2364]

George is so right The way to go with Aus was BRICS instead Aus is hanging on to the coat tails of a very failing America Along with UK Imperialism and Neoliberalism are the downfall and cause of the mineral race and power America used the rod to control its hegemony In the future we can only hope China uses its hegemony with care for the people and our dear world 🌎 ❤

[@WeekendVikingLVG]

If only more people understood just how right they are. These guys are luminiaries of our time.

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

In the future people will look back and agree with them. It's always been that way, humanity does not learn anything.

[@Truerealism747]

​@@The.world.has.gone.crazy...so so true it's done this way for us what no no why

[@minaeghbal8138]

Yanis Varoufakis is such an amazing person and so good at socio-political analysis.

[@andreia.salsinha]

Omg you've put these two giants together? THANK YOU!

[@mariavarelas8041]

yes, indeed.....

[@rafalgan-ganowicz]

Also YWNBAW

[@andreia.salsinha]

@@rafalgan-ganowicz Reported

[@roders007]

😂

[@soniahopkins6809]

😊 that's exactly what I thought

[@junehawker2364]

Who is the last man standing in Parliament JEREMY CORBYN ‼️🥰😊👍 Speaking the Truth and being honest is the only way 👍

[@penelopehill9710]

Nice to hear knowledgeable men in in-depth discussion, seeking solutions for today's pressing problems.

[@friedaelizabethchorlton8654]

So wise. Thank you Jeremy for your sanity.

[@KKTR3]

Years ago, I started a Facebook group along the lines of don’t sleepwalk into a Jeremy government help stop Jeremy. Just organically it grew to a couple of hundred members 300 or something . How strange to think now that I think possibly the only hope for Britain would’ve been if Jeremy had been elected . Politicians, we have now seem to be playing nuclear poker with Russia . And I don’t think Joe would’ve entered that card game.

[@joeldwest]

The world need Jeremy and Yanis to live another 100 years. We need them. Bless them. Love them. Dear precious truth tellers .

[@tomhughes259]

The most dignified PM we never had 😢

[@fundidoarrojo269]

The UK didn't deserve him.

[@timkbirchico8542]

could still happen.

[@Nine-Signs]

@@timkbirchico8542 While I always admire hope, I do admit friend, I do not see how. All I see now is right wing Labour paving the way to whatever hard right tyrant or demagogue rises to reform the ashes of the Tory party who through the anger and apathy of no change under starmer will be duly elected to office after his tenure, at which point the demagogue/tyrant will massively erode all forms of civil liberties in order to defend and protect capitalism from ever growing demands and opposition to it due to its failures upon most people none more so than millennials and GenZ, all while the ecology and climatology of this world goes off a cliff on fire beyond any hope of return. On the bright side due to Tories getting us into a NATO proxy was for the profits of capitalism in which we have been arming funding and training brigades of Ukrainian far right Nazi's embedded in its military, the end result may well be a brief but terminal nuclear war due to western hubris, belligerence, and stupidity, all for the betterment of capitalism at any externalised cost to peace, security, and lives. Ever a silver lining. p.s. Some are predicted Farage as P.M by 2030... there would be your demagogue in waiting, with a road paved there by Authoritarian right wing Starmer & his cabinet of abominable people.

[@cheri238]

Thank you, Raul Martinez, for these podcasts with Yanis Varoufakis and today with Jeremy Corbin. Those capitalists who own Cloud and Cloud Capital are the monsters of AI. Isn't there a way great minds of computer science and technology could find a way to create new algorithms to hold them accountable and destroy their self-interest for more global power? I have only bought from Amazon one time, and I had someone to do it for me. We know these beasts who are in this game. I rarley use Google, I won't have GPS telling me which way to drive, I don't use that. I don't use Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram, and yet cellphones have enormous power of educational values if used correctly. Thank all of you for your sanity and constructive ideas.

[@Dantes38]

Comments section speaks for itself. Brilliant conversation. Just want to add, that while it's election time here in the UK, this right here is a true leaders debate.

[@mariavarelas8041]

I am glad the algorithm brought me this discussion for Yanis' extraordinary knowledge and intelligence is picked up by Jeremy ... There may be hope for co-operation when we fall off the clouds!!!!!

[@deesimpson535]

Thank goodness for these 3 thinkers who help us to understand the chaos around us.

[@fidaullahhimat8172]

Two highly educated and great humans!

[@deedee8568]

Long live Jeremy Corbyn.

[@shawnkristoferu8303]

The only descent UK Prime Minister in the last 100 years.

[@poesie6279]

Yanis and Jeremy are the hopeful voices. Listen to them!

[@chinaboycottheadlines1827]

You need to stand in the UK General Election Yanis Varoufakis, you would eat the others alive my friend, join with Jeremy and stand as an independent or with George Galloway Workers Party, we need someone like you 🙏

[@leftgrrl]

A bit too honest about his cannibalism there.

[@kimberlymims3792]

Excellent discussion! Thank you all for voicing and debating your views for the benefit of the rest of us. I feel nourished from my time spent listening to you today.

[@josephfredbill]

Fabulous discussion, thank you.

[@MendeMaria-ej8bf]

Thank you so much for this very interesting discussion among you sharp independant thinkers. ❤

[@thomasmclean1361]

Money is not speech humanity is the only speech for humanity

[@BabyjforrichdaddiesGroupsexmil]

A1 n14 114AnNas

[@LisaHart17]

Fabulous conversation. Thank you all SO much for your work. I think you all have a piece (or pieces) of the answer to our current dilemma. Please keep up with your work and LISTEN to each other. Your views are not mutually exclusive but valid aspects of the issue.🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@aayashayakhatiwada9596]

Wow what a brain teasing and thought provoking episode!!

[@tidianediallo6860]

Yanis your teaching a great deal of knowledge !! From Mali and living in dubaï … i m listening closely ..

[@colorswordsandlearning]

Two great men !

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

Really? What size shoes do they wear?

[@mikeharvey9811]

Three great men. Barb

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 You are making some quality contributions in this comment section, aren't you

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict Yes, even more than the three geniuses who have all the answers.

[@NermalSunny]

@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 what size do you wear? Irrelevant comment but I suspect a child size 2

[@hhal9000]

I think Yanis is in a sense making a good argument for open source software-owned by all or no one but which can be used by all.

[@SvalbardSleeperDistrict]

That would be a logical accompanying part of the economic democracy he is proposing.

[@50_Pence]

Like the open in openai 😂

[@CommunityofEngineers]

Corbyn is an unusual politician in that he talks sense. What a crying shame the Labour party ousted him. In terms of integrity to runs rings around Starmer. Keep fighting for peace, Jeremy.

[@denzel270]

They lost him because of his anti-Semitic views.

[@funbarsolaris2822]

​@@denzel270he has no anti semitic views, the responsibility is on you to provide evidence for a claim like that or you reveal yourself to be a paranoid delusional

[@stefanjinga8170]

​@@denzel270fabricated antisemitism, how can a man that fought racism in all its forms all his life, suddenly became an antisemite when he got close to power. I'm more certain that Zionists took him down because he would've recognised a Palestinian state if he became PM

[@callyyeadon2653]

@@denzel270 no

[@laluba3603]

@@denzel270 There is not an anti- Semitic blood cell in Jeremy Corbyn.

[@ahmuqasim7540]

Great discussion. I wish Yanis let Raoul expand on his ideas. What Yanis says about the differences between western and non western ways of doing international politics may be true. But I don't think it matters if the west refuses to believe so and continues behaving in terms of game theory. You just need one of the players to believe in game theory to destroy it for all. So I think Raul is right, for cooperative ownership/systems to work reliably both nationally and at a world scale you need a new global cooperative political system. Something close to an international confederal governance is essential. Ultimately national militaries may be transformed into a single international peace keeping force. It could be that the UN is the best vehicle for such developments. But in the meantime the struggle to turn corporations into worker owned enterprises needs to continue. The political and economic sides of the struggle are complementary but need not be attained simultaneously at the same time..

[@miketaylor7023]

How corporations full of psychopaths took over the world

[@Badbentham]

There is one single key prerequisite for making any political decision in the modern West: - Can the 1% extract maximum value from the 99% with it? If yes, everything is fair game.

[@kazejah1014]

Yanis Varoufakis is a joy to listen to.

[@peteradaniel]

Am I the only one who’s googling the books behind JC’s head?

[@PeppermintPatties]

I love checking out the books behind participants. 😆

[@dieguerson]

I'm with Raul here. I think the "predatory" aspect (imperailism, militarism, etc) is a more or less lineal evolution of the neolitic logics of the territorialism and the early privatization or ownership of things. I'ts a universal logic that we have to overcome, not a particular culture.

[@dieguerson]

yep, all with Raul here

[@michaeldeane6600]

I agree. Varoufakis is so blinded by by his anti-European pet hate, that he is completely naive and deluded about fundamental human nature and the inherent universal capacity for conflict.

[@circatrova6141]

Two very mighty human beings ...coming from different backgrounds & different life trajectories...YET WHAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY ARE HUMANISTE HUMANITAIRE..in everything they represent...but ...this did not reduce their enormous powerful Capacities.....to contribute to the process of trying to save humanity

[@user-vs7cw2rg7r]

I don't agree with many of JCs positions but he is at least thoughtful, eloquent and engaging to listen to. A far better man than the current establishment plant leading the Labour party.

[@saolálainn]

Mature response, too bad a large percentage of the population can't think this way!!

[@salimbegum3179]

Thank you for the truth 💯 Excellent well said 💯 Mr Jeremy Cobin. 🌎✌️💯🤲🌎✌️🌎✌️💯🤲❤️✅️.

[@MaryEllenBlack-l5n]

Brilliant discussion....keep these going. PEACE to the world. :)

[@consciousexplorer8118]

Raoul makes extremely important point on the issue of prisoners dilemma. First mover - even if other side is benign - creates war mongering. Whether a new set of treaties will quell the arms race is unknown. But there should be better attempt at this.

[@sakarisalomaa2174]

I think he was very wrong but brought out good response from his guest. So job well made. Imperialistic logic is the driving force which is turning everybody in the prisoners. The countries with greater militaristic strengh don't need to be so predatory, the corporistic hierachy which has been let loose greates this urge.

[@thomasmclean1361]

Thank you humans ❤❤❤❤❤

[@kiritibhattacharya2772]

Yanis, you are bang on. "Ownership is everything, in the end." Amen.

[@liquidsnow1]

Yanis gets it 100% ... 👍👍

[@shelaghcampbell7635]

This for me is hugely interesting, I have all of my life since my young teenage years been interested in what encourages certain behaviours within humanity, and have over the last few years been appalled at how we in the west have behaved in countries that respected us and believed for so long we were caring for them, we ourselves hoodwinked into believing we were behaving honourably and all the while raking the benefits and allowing and often encouraging immense suffering and impoverishment. I find it interesting this younger mind having difficulty in envisaging the huge difference in thinking between the western world and the countries in the global south, knowing my own very different way of thinking in a much more unaffected way most likely due to a way of life that was immersed in community care in my formative years. There is nothing surer than unless we begin understanding the importance of caring for each other and wondering how we can help improve life for all humanity rather than looking to what we can extract from each other to enrich us we will surely end ourselves.

[@SLF-o2w]

One of my friends believes that bonobos have the social compassion that humans lack.

[@lorr7524]

Real powerful men listen to each other! Just like these 3 highly intelligent men

[@AdamShivers-bt2hs]

May The Lord grant you patience We need you. Keep striving JC Truth always wins Prayers 🙏 May The Lord protect you always JC , Grant you Jannah. Ameen. 🙏

[@monikadeinbeck4760]

the influence of youtube, facebook, twitter, etc on public opinion is much more subtle and effective. Yes, you are allowed to post controversial information on these platforms, but the algorithms can decide to then show these informations only to the people that are already convinced of them. So you get the illusion of being able to broadcast your news to the wider public while you are in reality restrained to a tiny bubble. And the members of this bubble will pat you on the back so you will feel good and believe everything is alright. Just take a look at the comments. If this podcast were viewed by the common public you would expect to get lots of haters and negative comments. But there isn't. Can you see the cage you are in?

[@The.world.has.gone.crazy...]

Verry good observation.

[@Truerealism747]

Yes you have it my friend just hope there are many millions of us that do without been trapped in a box🎉

[@Quantummechanics-p4o]

I don’t think so , there are other podcast where most people are aligned to western politics and you can read all the warmongers congratulating to each other for their comments . I like to watch podcasts that are intellectual people or good analysts doing the program.

[@Truerealism747]

​@@Quantummechanics-p4oit depends on which ones and how many are watching them if it's low they control it less

[@showme360]

Would your conculsion be US! and not YOU!! I am aware and get frutsrated as do you it seems.

[@abody499]

That was a bit of a struggle towards the end. The point that Raoul Martinez was making is of great importance but neither Yanis nor Corbyn were quite grasping the point. The power of national identity is a great source for maintenance of the capitalist order. We do need a way to get out of that and truly collaborate as a species. We will not overcome the existential threats we face while divided into national groups.

[@MargaretKlassen]

Important information. Thank you. Love you two guys! Canada here.🇨🇦

[@marumaru6084]

Sadly the Uniparty both offering nothing to stop this!

[@quiethours1818]

That isn't reality. One party is bordering on fascism, and looking to actively take away reproductive rights and civil liberties. The other is being overtaken by progressives who want to tax the wealthy and stop climate change. The uniparty might have been true at one point in time - but not anymore. We are living in unprecedented times. Don't fall for the "uniparty" rhetoric.

[@showme360]

Did I not hear them agree on keeping the UN intact? and that keeping ownship on the AI is imporant! or did I miss something!!

[@jamesandrade1668]

Lovely podcast. All three men are lights in the darkness.

[@joetossoun6624]

Thank you for the truth we need a lot more truth to come out, WAKE UP people

[@Thereisariver-sp9ut]

If only the West were run by intelligent compassionate people.

[@sueellerman7984]

Some people focus on peace; about two n 1/2 years ago, following much public discussion in Australian about war, AUKUS, threat from China, blah, blah, blah; I wrote a large sign on the back wind screen of my car, "May Peace Prevail on Earth". Probably many who see it think "What a strange old duck that women is", I couldn't care less what other people think of me; but, I do care a great deal about peace.

[@DarrylBrowne]

The fundamental problem is that people have poor epistemologies. The reason for that is because the education system is designed to maximise your value to capitalism and not your value to humanity. You can fix the epistemic issue by reforming education. You still have the temporary problem of adults with little to no neuroplasticity roaming society to deal with but that problem solves itself eventually even if you do nothing. Once the education system starts producing, as its primary directive, people that are rational, logical and know how to enquire on and evaluate evidence, you immediately dispense with the elaborate charade and can begin having fundamentally relevant conversations on the issues that we face. I don't think there's any point in trying to solve anything at the layer of this cultural charade. Logic and rationalism cannot prevail in that climate. We can forget about solving any high level issue until we solve the fundamental problem that is the average epistemology.

[@chrissmithdoe2100]

i see that completely differently. rationality (with all its reductive abstraction and egoic control) is the virtue and value under capitalism. what needs to be taught is rather creativity, cooperation, courage, trust

[@chrissmithdoe2100]

but I'm still curious: in what sense do you primarily use the term 'rationalism'?

[@DarrylBrowne]

@@chrissmithdoe2100 In the literal sense of the word. There's very few discussions you can have with the average person where the discussion is centred around objective reality. Most conversations are grounded in some abstract quagmire of politics and misunderstanding. This is because most people have poor epistemologies and simply don't have the tool set to be able to evaluate data or perform rudimentary logic analysis. What happens instead is that they accept assertions that aren't based on objective, peer reviewed data. This is why we can't make progress on critical issues like climate change. You have to spend so much time and energy dealing with people that accept completely bogus assertions simply because they're either unwilling or unable to rationally evaluate the situation. My point is that it doesn't make sense trying to address the symptoms. We need to start addressing the root cause which is that people are generally really bad at being rational and empirical. Once you solve that fundamental problem you can then move onto solving the more high level issues because people then have the tools to do so without the discourse leaving reality behind.

[@DarrylBrowne]

@@chrissmithdoe2100 To add more, just pull up the list of logical fallacies on wikipedia and cross reference it with the last conversation you or someone else had. It's crazy how many you can identify even in terse conversations. These are the problems we need to fix if we really want to solve any more abstract problem.

[@shafiyaalgiquadra1105]

Excellent point regarding value being geared towards the satisfaction of capital, not dissimilar to the decisions on which science or R&D gets to be funded,even by government in some instances.

[@thomasmclean1361]

Freedom of speech for who humanity ❤

[@colinbrigham8253]

Thank you yanis Jeremy and friend😊

[@colinbrigham8253]

Yuyrell😊

[@maryamsukaynah559]

When a disscusion makes you think by clearing all the confusions around, you can breathe some fresh air while all the stagnation around you tries to stifle your mind, it is called a light in the tunnel❤

[@Rick-xp5sy]

Vote for Jeremy and stop the Labour vote💪💪

[@WH-hi5ew]

You have to live in Islington or surrounds for that.

[@ThuggishSaucer]

Excellent conversation between 3 rational gentlemen!

[@iantroesoyer1864]

The problem of the military industrial complex propagating instability is related to the influence of money on politics. The root of money in politics is elections. Sure, occasionally we get a good politician, but because money can buy more effective campaigning, the most common denominator among politicians is being wealthy or indebted to wealthy interests. Elections are not the only form of democracy. I believe that multi-body sortition is the answer. The system for deciding who makes policy decisions must be changed first. All other reforms get eroded over time because people don't have the time or bandwidth to pay attention to all issues in all places at all times. For the same reason, direct democracy on all issues is impractical. We want to eliminate bias in the selection of our decision makers. There's excellent empirical evidence that random selection is a useful tool for eliminating bias when trying to understand complex systems that cannot be understood completely as a whole.

[@chrissmithdoe2100]

what is multi body sortition?

[@sj6049]

The problem with Raoul's perspective is that he wants to architect a brand new world - with all the restrictions and failsafes built in, to prevent future problems. The wisdom of his guests are that they know this is airy fairy talk - there are problems now to deal with, that have much more urgency and lethality than preventing future ones.

[@munirahmed8229]

God bless u both. for caring the humanity.

[@camir225]

THANK YOU. GOD BLESS YOU ALL 🙏✌️💜

[@andreamolton8226]

Excellent discussion with great men.😊

[@thomasmclean1361]

Just be human ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@adielstephenson2929]

I love Jeremy. Wish he was PM.

[@KKTR3]

Years ago, I started a Facebook group along the lines of don’t sleepwalk into a Jeremy government help stop Jeremy. Just organically it grew to a couple of hundred members 300 or something . How strange to think now that I think possibly the only hope for Britain would’ve been if Jeremy had been elected . Politicians, we have now seem to be playing nuclear poker with Russia . And I don’t think Joe would’ve entered that card game.

[@aleaiactaest8354]

Good discussion. Time for action is here, protest protest protest.

[@fuckbankers]

Jeremy gives me hope.

[@BeegyBopsTriceratops]

I found myself aligned with Raoul's thinking many times in this discussion, and I found Yanis quite angry at times which was unsettling because his disagreement with Raoul seemed to be disagreement with the way I see things. I must say however, that overall there seems to be something that rings truest in what Yanis had to say and maybe his point concerning the "doctrine" and way of thinking of the west is true and that I am subject to a perspective not held by those outside of Europe. That is not to say that Raoul was wrong, I think he is brilliant. My point is more that each perspective held in this conversation is valid and has many things of significance to contribute to an all-rounded synthesis of the issues we all face. But there is something undeniably true about the things that come out of the mouth of Yanis Varoufakis, as if he is reading from an encyclopaedia of all things. Funny that of all the episodes thus far, Jeremy Crobyn was the one I was most excited about when I saw he thumbnail and it concluded with less (in quantity not quality) said from Corbyn than other guests and heated debate between Raoul and Yanis. Not complaining though, the episode was all the better and thought provoking for it. Well done to Raoul for not shying away from sharing pressing perspective with a guest (and Yanis) of such high caliber.

[@claudetteleece8076]

Great discussion

[@dr.aaedalmasri1737]

amazing people..Thanks for sharing

[@longw01]

We ❤ You Jeremy!

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

We? No one voted him into No. 10.

[@andycooper6085]

@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 Starmer's Tories have a lot of a sabotage they did to be responsible for. Remind them that at the ballot box with a Green or Socialist Independent vote.

[@paulhorton4312]

A great conversation as always and particularly good to hear differences of opinion expressed. I agree with Yanis that it's a Western perspective the believes other parts f the world are out to conquer as we are. Raoul is also right that we need a new architecture for fostering peace in the world but that will never come about until the West is humble enough to lead in offering cooperation.

[@ainerush8942]

This whole discussion needs to be heard by everyone. In the uk and america,a lot more discussion is now turning to the cutting of funding is being cut for anything that improves the lives of everyday people, workers and the poorest. And that there is always more funding being made available for the wars and military equipment, corporation tax cuts and boosting bankers and stock traders bonuses through deregulation of financial services. There is no doubt going to be another financial crash in the uk and then america.

[@yassernajjar6479]

1 million likes. Sad we we don’t have decent knowledgeable politicians like both you gentlemen in office.

[@daniellacutter301]

Great conversation

[@flyingsnow311]

Loved this talking, seeing the views of this 3 Gentleman. Carry on your imortant and very appreciated work. You are 3 outstanding Persons in the huge pool of spine and idealess politicians. ❤

[@annenunney9907]

Excellent thank you wishing Jeremy lots of luck on July 4 ❤

[@godsonmen7576]

Corbin has an honest face unlike the other politicians respect to him

[@AbdoKesserwani]

Legends.

[@bellywuffles7230]

Thanks to all involved for this excellent talk.

[@mariettestabel275]

Thanks for this interesting Person. "Poetry for the many"

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

Poetry?

[@mariettestabel275]

​@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 It was a reference to his Book.(Jeremy Corbyn) 💫

[@mozartsbumbumsrus7750]

​@@mariettestabel275Oh, thanks. I didn't know that he wrote poetry.

[@mariettestabel275]

​@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 🙏

[@JLSMaytham]

Excellent from Jeremy on the problem of the unaccountability of big Corporations. When I was young people couldn't go on holiday to Europe because they could not get foreign currency - it was controlled by governments but they've changed that and it needs changing back.

[@jamilaasfu7481]

Thank you gentlemen for your Incredible Compensation. Always our hero and always will be Jeremy Corbyn.🫶🏽

[@quanty30]

Why take so long to release this?

[@dennismiller5725]

I'm 80 years old, live in Tucson ie close to the border (disastrous), and F16 fighters fly over my home every day to train other pilots from other countries for Lockheed Martin, while Rayeton has taken the ex-Hughes facility to build missiles. I had no say about any of this. where is Democracy in the US?

[@SLF-o2w]

Do you know where Noam Chomsky lives in Tucson? You are both good men.