Naomi Klein and Yanis Varoufakis | THE WRONG LESSON FROM HISTORY | Podcast 2

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[@LokiBeckonswow]

Long live independent journalism! Long live critical thinking! Massive thx to all involved 🙌

[@residentgrey]

Independent? Not so much. She is Dem-adjacent and stays that way.

[@ismailchennani4466]

@@residentgrey what are you talking about

[@residentgrey]

@@ismailchennani4466 Her closeness to one side instead of reality itself. I loved her book Shock Doctrine but there was a lot of convincing in the text over being truly informative. It is still a reference-dense text worth reading and sharing though.

[@britvica]

So her political stand makes her adjecent?​ she can't be there on her own?! Wtf.@@residentgrey

[@residentgrey]

@@britvica "can't" no. I never said there was an inability. I heard past interviews that showed shifts that strayed from her work and those shifts align with changing Democratic rhetoric.

[@karinbiow9110]

I am so grateful to these people, who make me feel less alone and perplexed about what is going on. I wish I knew more people in my own life who understood…or cared about… issues raised here. I wish you a much broader audience.

[@geralyned9530]

In Germany "you can only mention genocide if you're for it, not opposed to it." This made me want to cry.

[@divineantiwokewarrior]

thats just silly nonsense, germany has to chose between genocide of jews or genocide of gazans so germany chooses what is closer to its own historic sin

[@saad4447]

ISRAEL DICTANARY: Never ask a man about his salary, a woman about her age or Israel about its evidence NOR THE TRUTH Whatever Israel says always think the OPPOSITE and you will be 100% CORRECT hamas Means ALL PALASTINIANS all autracity supposedly hamas did, actulally did them the IDF We are investigating the incidence, means f off u cant do anything about it

[@Prickupyourears]

@@divineantiwokewarrior plus Gaza is run by terrorists for terrorists, so there is that too

[@decadentanciennebourgeoisie]

@@divineantiwokewarriortoo bad the German government persecutes jews who oppose the fascist State of Israhell and the evil Zionist movement.

[@csillagom1156]

not just Germany

[@tsakostsakos5440]

I'm from Greece. Unfortunately mr. Varoufakis is a kind of figure that is so much needed here in my country but people are so brainwashed towards hatred and self centerism that is truly a shame. I don't agree with all of Yianis positions but i see a man with ethos unlike the vast majority of greek elected politicians. Keep fighting Yianis,whatever the result

[@anilouistom]

οι Έλληνες θα χρειαζόντουσαν 3 ζωές για να εκτιμήσουν τον Βαρουφάκη. Δυστυχώς η φωνή του έπαψε να ακούγεται στο ελληνικό κοινοβούλιο.

[@danielaf1487]

Likewise here in Italy. Apart from Francesca Albanese, the only uncompromising, vocally pro-Palestine figure we have at the moment is Alessandro Di Battista: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bX7MZGCJaridgJo

[@fe7kh]

Good voices everywhere in the West are labeled as bad. Unfortunately. And the masses just can’t connect dots.

[@cleopatragrafakou7534]

It is has been a characteristic of greeks , historically, to underestimate whoever is worth admiration. There are many examples of politicians, artists, writers even Revolution heroes...

[@tedn6855]

I agree. I understand his leftism turns most people off. But myself who would normally vote to the right would rather have varoufakis in power then sell out mitsotakis who seems to just take orders.

[@nadjatfergusson1738]

Mr. VAROUFAKIS: admiration and respect ! People like you, Sir and Ms. Naomi Klein , and some others all over the world (Roger Waters, Jeremy Corbyn, Abby Martin, Miko Peled, M.Pappe, Gideon Levy, N. Finkelstein, JL Melenchon, S.Sarrendon, people in Ireland, South Africa, Spain, etc ...etc ) are needed to run this world. Many elections are taking place in many countries....it's up to us to reverse the"illusion of democracy" and make it "genuine democracy" by voting for the good candidates! Palestine will be free! Assange will be free ! A better world!🕊 Thank you for your commitment.

[@gailmarie1961]

Love your comment…I still regret that Yannis Chose Macron over Jean Luc Mélenchon in 2017 elections in France….Great mistake of his.

[@lotide3778]

Unfortunately, aipac has insidiously taken over the us government while distracting people with the right vs left parties. They control both parties. Practically every official is under their influence. They select the two puppets that people can choose from in every election. It’s horrifying.

[@g.rogowski2462]

Naomi, voting for Biden was voting for the lesser evil. It's still evil. Are you still supporting the "lesser evil", Biden, Hilary (also Obama) ? The Republicans aren't any better. WWIII it's just around the corner. Be careful, it looks like you are a neoliberal in the closet.

[@YanBrassard]

I'm not a fan of JL Melenchon though because he has authoritarian tendencies within his own party and his rhetoric can be violent. I don't think that this is the type of political saviour that the left needs. Also just because a country is sanctioned by the US doesn't make that country any better. His anti-americanism is justified because I partially share it due to the highly toxic foreign policy of America, but supporting the Venezuelian leader, being open to the idea of negotiating a transfer of land taken by force in Ukraine, being unable to qualify the situation of the Uighurs as a form of cultural genocide because China is a geopolitical advsersary of the US and he hates America, etc, these are all things that make me wonder if he is truly a democrat. If you are a true left-wing activist, you stand for principles and justice for all, not for a geopolitical chess game where the enemy of your enemy is your ally... Melenchon comes traditionally from the communist family, he is still in this paradigm of Cold War where you need to stand with the USSR against the West.

[@subcitizen2012]

We need people like Yanis and and Naomi live in primetime for 3 hours every night on commandeered Fox.

[@sharonsmith1783]

We shouldn't listen to any single source for 3 hours a night, however good. It could make us lazy and less curious. They themselves appreciate other peoples intellectual input. However, really interesting discussions, like this one of 57 minutes, provide me with food for hours of thought.

[@akeleven]

Even MSNBC, CNN need to hear this

[@MrUntapishtim]

Not Varoufakis.

[@Jane-lp1bn]

Indeed.

[@constantineblyuz5786]

I had them in the USSR. And in North Korea you can have them 24 hours a day.

[@thegreatsookini]

19:37 Mind blown. It never occurred to me that the Germans learned an algorithm rather than a principle! I just though they knew better but could not see their hypocrisy. Perhaps Israel’s lesson was “we were victims. We deserve acts of contrition forevermore.” Neither learned that “othering” is the generator function. That is shocking to me. You’re right. It’s a teaching problem. It’s a learning problem. It’s a consciousness problem. To me, this is at the heart of the metacrisis. In the 70s when we learned not to litter, we learned a rule. We didn’t learn that our actions have consequences over time.

[@bisbaldbussi]

As a German, I can say, that what Heinrich Heine said about the german ingrained obedience is seen every day. Obey the rules cause they are the rules. Thanks for the talk! Great ! Great people

[@gemy6188]

Ich weiß nicht was ist bei Deutschland passiert? Ich kenne viele Leute da und sie sind gegen von ihrer Regierung.

[@zeynepoezel9664]

Wie geht das Zitat?

[@Johnconno]

​@@zeynepoezel9664You do not run in the railway station!

[@Hadrianus_Olympius]

H. Heine ...a baptized-jewish German, with the mind and eyes of a Greek.

[@bisbaldbussi]

@@zeynepoezel9664 Der Deutsche gleicht dem Sklaven, der seinem Herrn gehorcht ohne Fessel, ohne Peitsche, durch das bloße Wort, ja durch einen Blick. Die Knechtschaft ist in ihm selbst, in seiner Seele; schlimmer als die materielle Sklaverei ist die spiritualisierte. Man muß die Deutschen von innen befreien, von außen hilft nichts.

[@zeynepoezel9664]

This is like therapy. Thank you from Germany.

[@citizencane8771]

As Tony Benn said: "There are two ways in which people are controlled. First of all frighten people and secondly, demoralize them” Leaders and rulers through out history create enemies to frighten people in order to offer protection and then control them

[@mariadejesusgarciarodrigue6937]

My heart aches thinking about a high tech war will erased innocent lives from this planet. Here we go again, back to stone age. So great for high tech!!

[@brigitteschauble6311]

That’s the well known Mafia method. Can’t see why anybody couldn’t see and acknowledge it

[@treefrog3349]

It provides a ray of hope, and it warms my heart to hear sensible conversations like this. The Mad Men that now control this world lack the wisdom, intelligence and compassion of this trio, to the detriment of the entire human species.

[@denroy3]

She lies right off the bat. You just like the lie

[@brigitteschauble6311]

The mad men that control the world today feel like former kingsRaised in families that were rich and mighty for generations they never ever questioned their superiority and the right to lie or murder whenever it is necessary for their preservation of power. Equality of humans ? Yes Yes but only the usual ones not and never them

[@angiedee255]

Oh very dear Naomi, so glad to hear you here. it kind of soothes my heart

[@ranakhatibthomas4031]

"The Germans learned a rule not a principle..." Naomi Klein

[@gerhardheise299]

How said that it? Is it a quotatio of whom?

[@gerhardheise299]

Finaly yet again most clear Naomi. I appreciate your statement regarding rule vs. principle! A clear and essential statement. History teaches us nothing?

[@gerhardheise299]

Angela Merkel: Staatsräson. That is a core political rule she spoke out. All the time. A Scandal by all means.

[@angelagladstone8863]

As a German: this is very clear with regards to genocide and Gaza. But her phrase also made me think about how much this applies to German culture in general! Rules rule.

[@kurtklingbeil6900]

Whence shall come Robespierre 2.0? to cvLL the ev1L

[@bedardpelchat]

21:00 Perhaps the most astonishing aspects of what is going on in Palestine is the fact that with the holocaust we could have had the 'excuse' at the time that 'we didn't know' whareas now it is happening in plain sight and as such it is way more frightening. Some other types of genocidal situations are happening at the same time which we even ignore such as the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaidjan.

[@GizmoMaxx]

Mr. #YanisVaroufakis you are doing a GREAT WORK - KEEP IT UP SIR ! ! !

[@flow963]

Bravo, all! Paul. Naomi. Yanis. You are true champions riding forth at this crucial moment. Brandishing the sword of common sense. No mean feat! Your vision, eloquence and brilliance is desperately needed, required to light our way. We are your grateful infantry. We are with you 100% 💯🙏🍀

[@llh3025]

Champagne socialists.

[@lawrencemckeon6802]

War is not peace, ignorance is not strength, slavery is not freedom. Apartheid is not democracy. A course correction is in order.

[@madaboutvoice]

How I would love for Orwell to be alive nowadays to see what's happened to the world, the western world in particular.

[@tsopuaifa]

The dark ages are back.

[@TravellerDM007]

@@madaboutvoice Or Huxley, Hannah Arendt...

[@bernadettehanley8351]

How come no one acknowledge the work of Norman G Finklestien and Noam Chomsky too? They along with Ilan Pappe have helped me greatly to understand the situation.

[@fongponto]

Arrogance of the german state kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHm8eIeGntiKZs0si=BEnPC2mCCHo-ZVnF

[@irishpatriciadesiree]

Agreed!

[@oliviakahlo1]

As well as Rashid Khalidi. Though you have meant Jewish and Israelis who speak up, which is indeed terribly important.

[@Bulg329]

You're right!

[@vinozarazzi5633]

I am sorry - Chomsky is a man of the establishment. You have been duped.

[@user-js4sb4qq2h]

Loving this conversation!! We need more of this team!! And what can we do?! Team work makes the dream work!

[@nidhalhammadi997]

Thank you sir of your honestly and humanity ❤

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Love these two, intellectuals who are intellectually honest seem harder and harder to find these decades.

[@mischevious]

I think Yanis is smitten with Naomi, really enjoyed his goodbye gush. Left me smiling.

[@fongponto]

They both are in a relationship

[@totonow6955]

Two hotties ❤ I noticed this too.

[@oliviakahlo1]

Heehee. I’m smitten with all of them😊. Nothing more beautiful than brains, integrity, compassion and talent❤.

[@dalek604]

Aren't we all

[@mischevious]

@@fongponto Not a problem as long as they don’t act on the attraction. One can be married to one and smitten with another as easily as one can be intellectually smitten but not emotionally.

[@danielaf1487]

Back in the early 2000s I was a young Italian living in London and Naomi Klein had such an impact shaping my political views, I cannot even begin to say how much! Just a few years later, I got involved in pro-Palestine activism. Now I find her such an inspiration on that issue as well... 😍

[@stanleykubrick8786]

It’s infinitely odd is that the internet has such videos describing the state of the world, yet when I look at my local communities, there’s no acknowledgment of this at all. It's all CONSUME, CONSUME, CONSUME!!! It's as though we're living in a version of the The Truman Show.

[@fongponto]

Arrogance of the german state kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHm8eIeGntiKZs0si=BEnPC2mCCHo-ZVnF

[@JillT123]

Yes. And so we are in a constant state of cognitive dissonance. To a painful degree. The west pretends that Israel, its child, is not a genocidal maniac state

[@jennygriffyn1897]

Indeed we are, we are living with an increasing amount of cognitive dissonance

[@axnax1]

Yes. It's become very 'Matrix' like.

[@kittysawtelle5552]

Exactly how it seems to me here in Texas and with most of my friends around the world..they r not interested..too busy buying traveling redecorating etc!! Angry that war is blocking their consumption fun!

[@suedevereaux2751]

Yanos & Raoul, bought your brilliant documentary, invited my like-minded neighbors over, and we absolutely loved every episode. #5 was incomparable! I was vividly inspired by the 1969 movie, which my high school French teacher bused our class to, twice! Riveting and eye-opening to me as a kid. And Naomi (KLEIN not Wolf!!!), I am thoroughly enjoying Doppelganger... all the more so because it's you narrating. You are all bright stars in the dark night the world lives in today. Thank you all!

[@meryem9133]

this conversation was so interesting to listen to. Thanks for giving smart people a space and us an opportunity to listen to them.

[@Sal.Z-mh2ys]

All three of you are fantastic. Great job by the host. Asking thoughtful and poignant questions. Ms Klien thank you for being so brave, taking on so much pressure from the world. Yanis you are family ❤God bless you all. Free 🇵🇸

[@WhataMensch]

Thank you Yanis!

[@skellumfh]

As a German lefty, i don't know how i can ever again listen to any of the "We have to stand up for freedom against the far right" pablum without it sounding unbelievably hollow.

[@macksryanhold]

This is so weird for me as a native Berliner, that you got thrown out, Yannis. This used to be a place where everybody could freely express themselves. I had a jewish grandmother, Esther Goldhammel, holocaust survivor. Until the end of her days she would hold her hand over her head, trying to pull out the evil spirits, because her mind couldn't cope. And STILL she said I shall never fall into the anti-muslim propaganda and see every human being for what they are individually. She said I shall travel the world and never ever trust someone who is justifying murder. Also she was criticizing the zionist movement - for that she was harassed so badly she had to change her name into Jahn.

[@yvonnezarowny5326]

So tragically sad that even someone who survived such horror ... is not listened to more. I am always is awe of people such as your grandmother. Such courage to criticize the Zionist movement. And such perception to condemn the action, not the race or religion of the leaders of the current murders.

[@TravellerDM007]

What a strong and memorable (and tragic) picture of your beloved, strong, surviving and struggling (unheeded and condemned/ignored, or merely dismissed and misunderstood) grandmother you have shared here! Seering and heart-breaking....and in her way, galvanizing, too! What comes to my over and over here is what Dr. Gabor Mate's work (and others) point to....that as long as our 'basic human needs' are not understood by us and (from the work of say, Ann Baring in 'The Dream of the Cosmos' that we have totally wrong-headed ideas and relationship to what we call Nature -- we ARE doomed to go on repeating what threatens our species -- and imminently now!

[@thegreatsookini]

Just in case someone reads this, I bought the series from Vimeo. Watched it. Great btw! Then it disappeared. I can’t rewatch or have a watch party. Anyway, I’m excited to listen to this podcast. We Canadians are bringing some kind of Diem25 to Canada. I’m loving the idea of global solidarity and civil disobedience! ✊🏼

[@EyeOfTheStorm.Podcast]

Sorry to hear that. That shouldn't be the case. If you bought it, this link should take you to the viewing page: vimeo.com/ondemand/eyeofthestormenglish Can you see it there?

[@thegreatsookini]

@@EyeOfTheStorm.Podcast I thought I replied. Let me know if you did not get the reply.

[@KiaraKoala-ke6tl]

🙏 Thank you so so much for this enlightening conversation 👌

[@MC-vr3yh]

Huge respect to all three! Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with us.

[@mirzetdedic170]

Thanks a lot, you and other who fight for humanity give us hope that maybe in future will be better for our kids 🙏🙏👏👏

[@deeznutz8320]

Your kids will be far right😂😂 Ressenting their hippie parents for destroying Europe

[@ibrahimanan1874]

For an exceptionally wonderful conversation from the three of you, my respect

[@AKAndoh]

A wonderful combination of minds, thank you.

[@user-qq3my9fm2r]

Naomi is always so refreshing to here from. She's a grounding voice in this world and I'm so grateful for her work. Love and solidarity to you both x

[@gemy6188]

Thanks sir for your humanity, Much of love to my friends in Greece 🇬🇷

[@DIEGOGONZALEZ-np9ed]

You guys are great!!! very inspiring to see independent thinking and journalism

[@davidwright8432]

Thanks to all three of you for providing such a clear, deep and humane assessment of our situation. There's a kindness that shines thru your discussion, absent in almost all political discussion now. And essential to any successful change.

[@djdollase]

Thank you so much for the excellent video. Love Naomi Klein. So powerful and important.

[@tempestuous_lemons5899]

Soul (and mind) food. Thank you very much ❤

[@CsabaTarnai73]

Amazing Naomi and Yanis. Very stimulating intellectually

[@deeznutz8320]

LMAO The pseudo intellectual takes are so funny😂

[@michaelsinclair2510]

What we can all be sure of history teaching us, is that human beings can be all things at any time - our behaviour has proved consistent throughout, and we must never lose sight or regard to this.

[@claudetteleece8076]

Raoul has the most beautiful eyes. They say eyes are a window to the soul, so we know his soul.

[@larrykelly-kf5pp]

So many good insights, points, and conversations in here 🎉

[@guinevere4365]

As an old hippie from California I so appreciate your brilliance. When I abandoned the Dems for Trump every friend and relative abandoned me. I thought it was a no-brainer but here we are years later and the bridge is even wider. I so appreciate your thoughtful discussion and kindness in the face of monsters at the door. You are on the good side full of wisdom. Godspeed.❤

[@beatefuhrer9688]

Great comment. ;-) A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS FROM RUSSIA, Quotation: "Ideologically, fascism is an omnivore." Valerie Pyakin The "Trojan horse" ... "Trojan horse effect", globally Scaling ... "Simulation System"., Installation allover. Maybe, cultural colored. But it's happened backwards. And it's happening now. Forward, yet. I think you understand my hint. Hidden Secrets., In a Sense of a Shadow over Humanity is ... "Silent running". Blow it away. "Gen." "Oz." "Id." "?" Globally. ~ occur in between the Year's., 2020 ~ 2023 ... Going forward ... Are people that unconsciousness!? Yes. "Enter." "Tain." "Ment." Queen best song: "The show must go on", starting with the sentence: "Empty Spaces" ... (Original Video to watch the Szene, a Door is opening and you can watch the audience ... People are the picture, a kind of an Archetype of these "Empty Spaces". ... meaning no consciousness to find there ... Historical Quote, Shakespeare said: "This >>WORLD

[@tracysample6942]

Wait, you abandoned Dems for trump? 😵‍💫

[@grainnefallon7713]

Thank you both and thank you for your much needed leadership ❤

[@svorcandesign]

As a foreigner living in Germany (from Serbia) I get amazed everyday with the lack of understanding of the situation in Israel in this country. It makes me think of Anselm Kiefer and his thought: "There was no so-called "zero hour" in reality", zero hour (Nullstunde) is the moment in 1945 when all the Germans simply stopped being nazis.

[@vivalaleta]

I finally realized that long held things like slavery and deep misogyny don't just go away. The people who wanted that are still around.

[@amenadito8079]

So inspiring and so true! The lesson is not "don't be mean to Jews", it is "don't create the conditions that led to the extermination of the Jews"

[@NoneOfYourBusiness-f3o]

You would think Jews would be extra cafeful to present their best humanitarian foot forward, to dispel the age long contentions held against them, to improve there lot on the world stage, but they don't, they try to take over and repress. Well, let's see how this shakes out.

[@deeznutz8320]

Maybe Jews need to learn how to behave in their host nations and if they want die-versity so much promote in their ethnostate Sick.of these people playing victim

[@Nihilist13]

When the Anglos comprehend that they are not the exceptional ones and the Jews realize or admit they are not the chosen ones the bullshit will stop. Like you say this is not new. The British and Americans have managed to blame everyone but themselves for their own sins. Stealing other people's land and resources, carpet bombing German civilians, nuking and fire-bombing Japanese civilians, blaming the Boer for apartheid, covering up the Holomodor, starving the Indians, hunting Aborigines, invading Iraq, murdering leaders that are not compliant - their crimes are many but seem to be acceptable when framed in the quest to bring liberty, freedom and democracy to the unwashed masses (who get to vote for their tormentor as a reward). Part of the problem (as Yanis should know) is the Anglo inability to speak another language and by extension understanding different cultures.

[@beatefuhrer9688]

Great comment. ;-) A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS FROM RUSSIA, Quotation: "Ideologically, fascism is an omnivore." Valerie Pyakin The "Trojan horse" ... "Trojan horse effect", globally Scaling ... "Simulation System"., Installation allover. Maybe, cultural colored. But it's happened backwards. And it's happening now. Forward, yet. I think you understand my hint. Hidden Secrets., In a Sense of a Shadow over Humanity is ... "Silent running". Blow it away. "Genozid"!? Globally ~ occur in between the Year's. 2020 ~ 2023 ... Going forward ... Are people that unconsciousness!? Yes. "Enter Tain Ment." Queen best song: "The show must go on", starting with the sentence: "Empty Spaces" ... (Original Video to watch the Szene, a door is opening and you can watch the audience ... People are the picture, an Archetype of these "Empty Spaces", meaning no consciousness to find ... Historical Quote, Shakespeare said: "This >>WORLD

[@angelagladstone8863]

Wholeheartedly agree. And the fact that Britain/ US have gotten away with it for so long. You don't have to navel gaze so much when you are on top.

[@patcampton7163]

A great discussion. Its fantastic to find such useful content on this site. Thank you.

[@TWOELEPHANTSintheRoom-bh3uw]

Great podcasts and great insights. As a South African I missed your mentioning of the Boer wars and the women and children in concentration camps you said the British invented. A mention to that would have been informative as well. It gave rise to the Afrikaner government who came to power in 1948 and introduced Apartheid, a flawed idea of separate development. Power, money, greed, control, manipulation are at play in the world. And we all have skin in the game. The tipping point as yet to be reached. Looking forward to the future. Thank you for your fight. A Luta Continua.

[@_asphobelle6887]

Wow, I don't know why the algorithm pushed this video to me, but watching it from France, it is very interesting but also chilling !

[@Ahreman_egy]

I really appreciate acknowledging that the ibrahamic accords joke led to oct 7th, this is huge and need to be well known so we dont keep repeating the opression that america force on palestinians for decades and act surprised when things explode

[@sarachiba6012]

The Podcast is a GREAT IDEA MR. VAROUFAKIS !!! I'm looking forward to the coming Episodes ♥🌹🦋

[@ruthnisbet5182]

Thank you all for your analysis,, clever directed clear minded people,

[@polatmaras9497]

Thanks for the podcast guys. Would be wonderful if you'd add subtitles at some major languages.

[@jimmilitschi9037]

Thank you so much. You Are my thinking role Models.

[@space.youtube]

"They learned a rule but they didn't learn a principle..."

[@4-SeasonNature]

What rule?

[@amandaoconnor2854]

This really resonated with me. There are many people more comfortable living their lives according to rules, rather than principles, and more willing to exploit that.

[@berlinplacebo]

I lived in Germany during 27 years and I never managed to articulate that fondamental truth before. But Yanis said it, and I feel good about this at last ! Now I moved back to France, it's healthier for me.

[@space.youtube]

@@berlinplacebo I don't mean to correct you but Naomi said it.

[@berlinplacebo]

@@space.youtube you are right ! thx for correcting ;-)

[@ClaySanford-e8o]

Yes big difference between a rule and a principle....a salient observation and very relevant on teaching about genocide from Nazi WWII

[@my-lb-arts582]

Insights from Naomi struck really important to me as an Indian Dalit engaged in anti-caste movement. thanks for introducing to her work. i will have to read more of her.

[@cherylewers6322]

Thank you so, so much, Naomi.

[@chrisg6091]

I'm thankful this is available in Podcast (audio) also. Thank you.

[@nicolasdelaforge7420]

Thank you for so many insights to locate us, where we currently are and how we are - and what the new realities are. On Enclosure: in the 60's from San Francisco to San Anselmo/ Fairfax, you could meet someone and they would let you stay with them, if you needed to spend the night or two or three. We assumed that goodness would be there. We had the "getting together" Naomi mentions (also described by Emmanuel Levinas), we assumed generosity and giving. Nothing wedged its way between us to limit our sociality. This was the most authentic way to be. Today, I go out and it's Bob Dylan's "Things have changed". The stinginess is scarry.

[@prycelessly]

This conversation exemplifies the importance of the nurishment that is derived from free speech. My conclusions & view points differ from many of these people. Their thoughts are the ones I must hear because we differ. Minds flourish when fed well. While I disagree with most of Naomi's ideas, we agree 100% about genocide & zionism. Thank you for airing this exchange.

[@pavelvi6969]

📝 *Summary::* *Introduction to Technological Impact* ⚙️ 00:29:30 Discussion on the impact of technology on society and culture, driven by capitalist dynamics, optimizing for time on site. 💻 00:29:51 Exploration of the relationship between rapidly changing technology and patterns of domination and division. 🔒 00:30:30 Critique of how technologies have influenced left culture and human interaction, emphasizing the enclosure of personal and communal aspects by privatization. 📱 00:31:02 Highlighting the encroachment of technology on various aspects of life, including communication, friendships, politics, and the creation of digital doubles. 🤖 00:31:48 Discussion on the expansion of technology beyond neoliberal projects, potential dangers posed by AI and loss of control over digital identities. 🌐 00:33:00 Advocacy for a return to a more communal approach in utilizing digital tools for organizing and strategizing, contrasting individualistic online behaviors. *Introduction to Podcast and Series* ⭐ 00:00:01 Podcast accompanying a docu-series exploring the themes of power, democracy, capitalism, and crisis. 📺 00:00:06 Focus on Maverick Economist and politician Janis Veracis's political journey. 🎵 00:00:23 Discussion on the rise of the far right and fascism, linking to current political climate. *Analysis of Political Situation* 🔍 00:00:39 Exploration of the rise of the far right in North America and the possibility of Trump's return. 🗳️ 00:01:19 Comparison of Trump's potential second term and historical fascism, emphasizing the failure to understand its nature. 💡 00:02:12 Highlighting the deep failure in recognizing fascism's presence in colonialism and imperialism. 🌍 00:04:41 Discussion on the complexity of the current political rupture and the need for historical learning. ⚖️ 00:05:39 Addressing the collusion between the far right and center ground, impacting electoral dynamics. *Challenges of Genocide and Anti-Semitism* 🔥 00:06:09 Acknowledgment of genocide and criticism amidst branding as anti-Semitic. 🛡️ 00:06:41 Navigating the balance between opposing anti-Semitism and criticizing ongoing genocides. 💬 00:08:46 Illustration of the intertwining dynamics between political figures like Trump and Biden. 🔄 00:10:46 Emphasizing the cyclic nature of historical events and challenges in historical education. 🌐 00:13:01 Critique on the repetitive patterns of fascism globally and the need for recognizing history's lessons. *Intersection of Political Ideologies* 🇪🇺 00:20:05 Discussion on the impact of austerity policies in Europe and their political repercussions. 💡 00:23:47 Highlighting the manipulative use of emotions and narratives by political figures for power gain. 🔄 00:24:53 Linking historical events like the Holocaust to modern-day political decision-making. 🔗 00:25:29 Exploration of how political movements capitalize on collective guilt and historical trauma. 💬 00:26:46 Emphasizing the repetition of historical mistakes and challenges in resisting accelerated technological advancements. *Promoting Democratic Discussion* 🗣️ 00:28:46 Encouraging open dialogue to address political challenges and historical repetitions. 🤝 00:28:53 Advocating for principled decision-making over rigid adherence to rules for societal betterment. ✊ 00:29:09 Empowering resistance movements to combat political manipulation and historical amnesia. *Impact of Technological Advancements* 💻 00:28:40 Reflecting on the role of technology in shaping political narratives and societal responses. 📈 00:29:17 Discussion on the accelerating pace of technological advancement outpacing resistance movements. ⚔️ 00:30:08 Analysis of how technology is weaponized, impacting global power dynamics. *Impact of Advanced Technology* 🚀 00:33:54 Emphasizing that technology alone is not the issue but the advanced social relations enabling technology to empower owners and shape societal structures. 💰 00:34:52 Introduction to 'techism' as a concept, highlighting the transformation into cloud capital through algorithmic control by big tech companies. 🔄 00:37:08 Explaining the shift towards a techn feudal order, with technology acting as a means of behavioral modification for profit and power accumulation. 🌍 00:38:04 Linking the rise of technology to broader socio-economic issues such as class war, property rights, and means of production distribution and communication. 🤝 00:39:58 Advocating for collective action and the cooperative ownership of algorithms as a means to counteract the negative impacts of advanced technology. *Critical Reflections and Historical Context* 🔍 00:41:09 Reflecting on missed opportunities post-2008 financial crisis for significant change and challenging the status quo perpetuated by political leaders. ⏳ 00:42:38 Emphasizing the need to be 'rupture ready' for transformative moments and crises to bring about substantial change in societal structures. 🌊 00:44:17 Drawing an analogy of being 'surfer ready' to leverage waves of change, highlighting the importance of being prepared for pivotal moments in history. 🔑 00:46:20 Underlining the necessity for new forms of collective action, reevaluation of cost-benefit dynamics, and utilization of technology for subversive purposes to drive societal transformation. 🌐 00:49:19 Discussing the challenges posed by compartmentalization induced by algorithms and the need for synthesis to connect different issues under a broader narrative. *Emergence of Technological Feudalism* 💭 00:52:11 Emphasizing the current transformation into a 'techn feudal order,' where technologies dictate power structures and social relations beyond traditional capitalism. 🤖 00:53:36 Reference to the impact of AI and advanced technologies in reshaping society, exploring themes of domination, surveillance, and loss of individual agency. 🚀 00:55:48 Highlighting the need to appropriate and socialize technological means to counteract negative consequences and shift power dynamics in society. *Discussion on Capitalism and Technology* 💡 00:59:19 Exploring the historical impact of technology on society, governance, and human relationships over thousands of years. ⏱️ 01:00:59 Discussing the exponential rate of technological change post-1945, focusing on recent advancements like AI, synthetic biology, and ecological impacts. 🌍 01:02:56 Connecting the concerns of the left to the impending technological revolution, discussing how to incorporate these ideologies into the evolving technological landscape. ------------------ 🔑 *Key takeaways::* *Political Analysis and Historical Context* 🔍 00:00:39 The discussion delves into the rise of far-right ideologies and potential political scenarios, emphasizing the need for historical context in understanding contemporary politics. 💡 00:02:12 Highlighting the failure to recognize fascism's presence in historical events like colonialism, imperialism, and genocides, stressing the importance of learning from history. 🌍 00:04:41 Addressing the complexity of current political circumstances, advocating for a balance between historical insights and flexibility in approach for navigating contemporary challenges. *Challenges of Historical Education and Collective Memory* 🛡️ 00:06:41 Navigating the delicate balance between opposing anti-Semitism while critiquing ongoing genocides, highlighting challenges in addressing historical traumas and contemporary criticisms. 💬 00:08:46 Illustrating the cyclic nature of historical events, showcasing the intertwined dynamics between past and present political figures and their impact on societal narratives. 🌐 00:13:01 Critiquing the repetitive patterns of fascism globally, underlining the importance of recognizing historical lessons to navigate current political challenges effectively. *Impact of Technology on Society* 💬 00:31:02 Critique on how technologies influence left culture and human interaction through privatization and enclosures. 🔒 00:31:48 Discussion on the dangers posed by advanced technology like AI encroaching on personal identities and societal aspects. 💡 00:33:54 Emphasizing that technology's impact is heightened by advanced social relations enabling power accumulation by technology owners. 💰 00:34:52 Introduction to 'techism' highlighting the transformation into cloud capital through algorithmic control by big tech companies. 🌐 00:39:58 Advocacy for cooperative ownership of algorithms to counteract negative impacts and address broader socio-economic issues. *Challenges and Solutions in Technological Transformation* ⚡ 00:44:17 Underlining the need to be prepared for transformative moments and crises to drive significant societal changes through collective action. 🔄 00:46:20 Highlighting the necessity for new forms of collective action, reevaluation of cost-benefit dynamics, and utilization of technology for subversive purposes to drive societal transformation. 🤝 00:49:19 Discussing challenges posed by compartmentalization induced by algorithms and advocating for a synthesis approach to connect different issues under a broader narrative. ------------------ *Summarized by TubeSum Chrome Extension*

[@bond397]

Keep speaking sir, we admire you. The West is getting sickier by the day.

[@marlbankian]

The fight against Lebensraum Philosophy Continues.

[@victormeidan1062]

Jihadi Lebensraum of Gazan fascists. Yeh !

[@michaelwicks933]

In the spirit of full circles, and history doubling, I wonder if Yanis feels a moment of glee at Naomi bringing up The Matrix, knowing that he may have given the creators the idea while teaching at University of Sydney

[@irishpatriciadesiree]

I didn't know that! Thank you b/c I think Yanis has incredible knowledge and excellent ideas!

[@arzamas1826]

Thanks for staying human and being brave to speak

[@nerridag.8498]

I found Naomi Klein's point very apt that learning from history is not about following rules, but about recognizing principles. As a German, I have always seen it exactly like that, and my understanding of "never again" as "never again for anyone" is anything but welcomed here 😱🤯😭🙏Fun fact at this point: The characteristic of the Germans in Nazi Germany was always the blind following of rules at all costs 😱 we seem to be at exactly that point again now, that is apparently the principle of the Germans 🤯😭🙏

[@nerridag.8498]

It would be funny if it wasn't that tragic 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔🙏🙏🙏

[@soulsmouls]

Scary what is happening in Deutschland

[@julesk1567]

as a german I agree. I’m frightened, appalled, and plain disgusted by my government’s warped politics.

[@farzanamughal5933]

@monipenny408 ......Yeah I think thats why they said its scary lol.

[@subcitizen2012]

About 9:30 Yanis comments on the bank bailouts. Contentious at the time and to this day, no doubt, and certainly seemed like a much bigger number at the time ($700b for the banks). What hurt was no bailout for the foreclosed. Definitely a mishandled crisis. The ACA was more contentious (and costlier). The Afghanistan was only 7 years old, and Iraq 5 years old at that time, and Syria hadn't even begun rumbling yet. The wars are pretty roundly panned these days across the isles for various reasons, but when you inflate their debt, they are half the national debt. They make the bailouts look like a speed bump. On the order of around 50 times more expensive, and it's half the millstone around the neck of the debt today. 2008 was definitely mishandled, but in conjunction of what became of the wars, it was insult to injury in terms of economic impact. Yanis not wrong, out of touch liberalism is in its halcyon then and now, I just wanted to add some hindsight context to the egregiousness of the bailouts, it wasn't the sum of money that hurt, it was who got bailed out and who didnt get bailed out that hurt, in top of the lost limbs and economic limbs caused by the wars. Republican conservatives probably wouldn't mind "socialism" if it actually benefitted them, but instead it's inept liberalism and it hurts all of us.

[@MyWissam]

T8:18 It is called "negative feedback loop" in systems analysis. (It is actually a positive feedback loop because the process reinforces itself and grows).

[@mathmo]

You should upload this to the usual podcast platforms (I use Google podcasts, but there are also spotify etc)

[@EyeOfTheStorm.Podcast]

It will be up there soon. Follow here: shows.acast.com/eye-of-the-storm-podcast

[@marksharman8029]

The repeating cycle that causes the geopolitical and social conditions we both feed and feed off, is a 'culture' we self police and reinforce, ourselves. This 'thing' actually is like a many-headed beast that has, in effect, possessed humanity 'forever'. Or so it seems. It is a huge evolutionary stumbling block, a distraction from what truly matters. We live in ignorance rather than consciousness, and this is both the larger and underlying issue that perpetuate species failure. The clarity and intuition achieved here is necessary. Necessary to facilitate change and redesign of systems that enslave us. To find a rational path out of this nightmare. Learning through suffering is no longer a rational way for our species to proceed/evolve. Thank you all. Please please do not stop trying. What we hold in our heart and place in our mind, matters.

[@elsonck2523]

Naomi Klein..."Learning the rule of the Holocaust but not the principle." Also, a white genocide vs. a brown genocide. My how we divert shame and cherry pick our genocides. A discussion I had not expected.

[@holilex]

this was amazing. thanks!

[@wolliclerk2598]

As german I think "yes - we have learned the rules but forgot the principles" (if ever understood) WolliM from PB

[@novascheller5957]

I think Naomi is being simplistic. International power games are not ethical. I think Biden has shifted a LOT. The American people are disgusted by Israel/Netanyahu. The genocide in Gaza is horrific. But there is the Mid-East instability and power brokers that have to be considered as well. None of this mess is occurring in a vacuum. But I am grateful to hear these points of view.

[@beerman204]

No nuance Naomi ..

[@khajad99]

Naomi and yannis...the kind of intellectuals we need. Thank you for your insightful show.

[@deeznutz8320]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA

[@anrigu61]

Thanks a lot!! Hug from México

[@eliashruska4699]

Excellent podcast --stimulating and educational in its critique of capitalism

[@pamelajoy6037]

I love this podcast! Keep on ❤ Thank-you.

[@VinceBusch]

Superb interviewer!

[@gansitomarinela]

Thank you, both ❤🎉🙏

[@myla6135]

We are over-ruled and over-regulated to the point that most people have given up on real thinking. Go to work, tick all the boxes you're expected to, go home, get paid. Quiet life. Try thinking or questioning, get a reputation as a trouble maker, worry about losing your job. This applies to so many arenas now: politicians, doctors (bee in my bonnet about those at the moment), all large corporates, many places of learning. Endless. Stops all creativity, and achieving meaningful communication and outcomes. Creates societies of automatons focused on what the screen says. We won't notice when AI takes over.

[@julesk1567]

oh, we will definitively notice when AI takes over. the unemployment rate will skyrocket.

[@Ms4648]

great program.thank you so much.looking forward to❤ watch the serial❤❤

[@steffen1405]

So insightful! Great minds and advocates all around! Thanks

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

Finally, analysis with actual intelligence. You just got a new subscriber

[@nmk5003]

I think that a debate between someone like Roberto Unger, the writer of the book The Knowledge Economy, and Yanis Varoufakis would very interesting.

[@hl217]

This was great. Thanks!

[@Anahita61]

Speaking of tech, and algorithms, they're not always a bad thing. KZbin has an algorithm, and thanks to it I found this podcast. I find it incredibly important and useful for my information gathering at this time in history.

[@sylviarichardson2138]

Naomi Klein is an intellectual giant. I could listen to her talk for days.

[@warmperson2007]

Really ? She doesn't look so bright to me ! I wonder what her IQ is.

[@deeznutz8320]

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA Just shows how dumb you are my god😂

[@kateoneal4215]

BRILLIANT!!!! I'll watch the film next! ❤❤❤

[@isidorafarley2271]

I want to be swimming with you to catch the next wave! Love to both! Uniting for the future of humanity. I am watching this space.

[@WoodstockG54]

How is it that some of us have no problem getting it and others are completely oblivious? I have little formal education, yet I’ve always been acutely aware of the collective suicidal tendencies of our human race.

[@LokiBeckonswow]

this was a really great episode, powerful minds, powerful times... gl anons