Has the government betrayed women in pension row? Feat. Ann Widdecombe & Bobby Seagull | Jeremy Vine

[@ninabaker6829]

Using our money for abroad and immigrants. Disgusting. Another target by this traitor

[@mellloyd8016]

These women also worked in a time where men got paid more for doing similar jobs.

[@Royboy50]

What on earth has that got to do with it

[@jtomlin1uk]

It has been illegal since the 1971 equal pay act came into force (in 1975) to pay men and women differently. That's half a century ago.

[@JwayT]

Same rights, same responsibilities. Go to work.

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@@jablot5054 But they still earned much more money over the years than women did.

[@franm.8343]

​​@@Royboy50Because one of the things these women have been told is that they had time to save to cover the income shortfall created by the change in their state pension age. When it wasn't true. Also, the introduction of the new State Pension changed how much a person claim.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

Respect to these women, an awesome generation who worked, raised kids, cared for family and put everyone before building up a private pension for themselves.

[@jtomlin1uk]

Rubbish! They didn't have children for altrustic reasons but because THEY wanted them!

[@Wishing_you_peace]

@jtomlin1uk your mother gave you life.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

@@jtomlin1uk your mum gave you life

[@Wishing_you_peace]

@@jablot5054 they lived and worked in the 60s and 70s, society was not the same. It's like someone 60 years in the future judging your decisions even though they never lived in 2024.

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@@jtomlin1uk At least they worked and didn’t live on benefits. How many send their benefits abroad, how much aid does this country give away, how much charity money goes abroad, still they haven’t got clean water or other facilities, what is wrong with these countries that can’t get their act together. They must have received trillions and trillions of aid over the years. Why not give a small amount to these women, to help out. No, successive governments would rather support terrorists and criminals who shouldn’t be here.

[@cynthiamorris1874]

I am not involved in this, but I remember hearing that the pension age was rising. However I think they should receive some compensation, there is plenty of money around for people who do not deserve it, and dare I say it, criminals coming into the country.

[@obajuluwaoluwatomisin3883]

£10 billion? Are you living in UK? Don't you hear the labour ringtone daily? 22 billion blackhole, you want to add another 10? That will be the end of council services

[@jujutrini8412]

The problem is that everyone was told there would be a change in pension ages. Then they changed who would be affected by it!

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@ Stop giving money away then, that would help.

[@desmondroberts6034]

@cynthiamorris1874 Do they claim the 'Foreign Criminal Life of Riley Benefit' that doesn't exist as I just made it up?

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@ You must have a short memory, or you are a teenager if you do not remember the hard times our ancestors had not too long ago, or are you one of the cosseted ones.

[@anitahornbrook745]

So the government appointed an Ombudsman at great expense and then ignore the findings. Why did they waste the money in the first place?

[@DrStrangelove-w9w]

Perhaps because the Ombudsman got it wrong? In this case - well wrong.

[@ehilton96]

@Andrew-tx9jy They saw all the evidence and made the ruling. You have seen nought.

[@AlanRay-lh6dj]

Blame your sick Tory government

[@prasiet1]

@@DrStrangelove-w9w Labour should not have supported the women without knowing the facts.

[@DrStrangelove-w9w]

@@ehilton96 The Ombudsman is a purely advisory body, it is up to the Government to decide whether to act on that advice and this time, rightly so, they chose not t. try to see that.

[@sheilajones4491]

Most women do not receive full state pension and most do not have a private pension as they did not get paid enough and often worked part time

[@annettewarriner7502]

Yes they have betrayed us; I was born in 1953 And they didn’t let me know and even had I received a letter my life was hanging in the balance as I battled bladder cancer resulting in major surgery and a long recovery. Maybe our double standard government should shoot us when we dare to reach pensionable age …. I’m hurt; frustrated and appalled at this governments stance on pensioners 😡

[@annettewarriner7502]

I was far too busy fighting death … 🤡

[@jtomlin1uk]

@@annettewarriner7502 Glad you've recovered. How did it affect your NI contributions?

[@Bickle121]

@@annettewarriner7502that's not the countries fault.

[@philipsherwin4845]

Sending our money abroad is top of Labours list

[@ianwheeler7513]

So you are blaming Labour for this, I can see your a fair-minded individual

[@philipsherwin4845]

@ £50 million to Syria at this week. That’s just the tip of the iceberg

[@stanbily9416]

@@ianwheeler7513 People like you are a part of the problem.

[@deanjames2476]

,​@@ianwheeler7513£500 million to foreign farmers

[@StephanieJones-e4d]

Labour have failed the country my Grandad will be turning in his grave 😡

[@SusanGrisdale]

Disgraceful but no worries just send our money abroad!

[@annealbrecht396]

Plenty of money to send abroad

[@Anntony]

Kids,pensioners, oap women,next disabled, sick, unemployed, disgusting. 😢

[@bradleycostello9077]

We have had the state pension age increased on us, ive had my workplace pension terms and age of retirement changed multiple times.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

Yeah it's crap.

[@yvonnelygo681]

Lers not forget The Bigger licture where The Kangaroo Government are systematically cutting the amount of CURRENCY in circulation !!!!!!! How will this help growth????!!!! Anyone??????

[@MicheleKeeler]

I didn't know and not aware of any information and I work in the media 😮 tax payers money apparently can't be used but tax payers money can be used for MPs heating for their second homes, for pay increases for MPs , for their outrageous pensions , for illegal immigrants hotels , foreign aid and pointless wars , the list goes on and on ...

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@@MicheleKeeler So right, what a crazy country and world we live in. MP’s and NGO’s that are so greedy and expect the ordinary hardworking people to keep them in luxury, but think nothing of giving billions away to people who hate us. They need their comeuppance.

[@Diane53M]

It was the change in the time of it. We knew about the change and were told it would increase gradually to 65 and then they sped up the time so they could increase it to 66. which is what it is about.

[@DrStrangelove-w9w]

There should never have been any difference in retirement age between men and women, but if anyone has been robbed it is the men who had to work for years more not these whinging WASPI's.

[@cafsixtieslover]

I was never told about the change.

[@jtomlin1uk]

@@cafsixtieslover But others were, it seems.

[@cafsixtieslover]

@@jtomlin1uk Maybe but I was not

[@bettycannon-mc7qt]

We were not informed by letter, 6 years in one go, would this have have happened to men? A jump of 6 years, with no letter of notice. I worked in NHS and I only found out when my older sister found out 2 years before she was 60. Ann forgets that many women didn’t read newspaper or follow the news, I don’t know anyone that had a letter, I was retired by NHS on ill health in 2005 stating I would not be able to work again up to pension age, it also states that my pension age was 60, that was 11 years to my retirement, then 6 years later I found out it had gone up to 66 (due to my older sister finding out it had gone to 66).

[@jtomlin1uk]

It was all over the press as can be proven from the British Newspaper Archive. The TUC were at the forefront of campaigning against it 30 years ago.

[@WORKERS.DREADNOUGHT]

I was not told by letter that my pension age was being raised to 66. I had to check online. Will I get £12k?

[@jtomlin1uk]

I'm never told by letter that my income tax is rising after each budget. I have to check myself in the press. The British Newspaper Archive shows masses of articles since 1994 on this subject. I'm sure TV was full as well.

[@ivanglossop5106]

They did get notice 1994 so they gone 20 + years notice

[@ehilton96]

It was the later changes that were the problem DWP should have written to affected women to tell them about changes to their State Pension age by, at the latest, December 2006. This is 28 months earlier than DWP actually wrote to them. It follows that these women should have had at least 28 months’ more individual notice of the changes than they had

[@PatriciaUmpherville]

I didnt so dont speak for everyone

[@collier8931]

@@jablot5054bloody knowall.

[@cafsixtieslover]

@@ehilton96 Some of us got no notice at all

[@bettycannon-mc7qt]

I was retired on ill health in 2005, I was told my retirement age was age 60

[@DavidRose-p1z]

I worked as a carer for 35 years when i thought i only had a few months to go my line manager called me to tell me i would have to work another 4 years or more no letter i had thyroid cancer and had to work through it couldnt leave until i was 67 now at 71 just had a hernia op through heavy work but they can help illegals they took 180 million its a disgrace

[@ratours9531]

I was born in 1992 and i am starting too doubt that my generation will have the luxury of a pension in the future the national debt keeps growing and people keep borrowing 🤔

[@IanPigott]

What you forget is that there was no time or financial ability to increase your pension and some had finished work before 60 for a variety of reasons. Having to finance SIX YEARS was not possible if you were born in 1957.

[@angelofthenorth4525]

Rich Tory Widdecombe "I'm alright Jack"

[@martinbishop2966]

Why not cut council tax and pay waspi women with that. Let's face it, council tax is the biggest rip off of all.☹️

[@sheilajones4491]

Pension fund was used to pay banks and women were not given notice of the changes with insufficient time to alter plans

[@gregbell9999]

On the subject of the State Pension, nobody seems to be raising the point that, as the Tax threshold of around £12500 per annum is being frozen for several years to come, many pensioners who only receive the state pension will start paying 20 pence in every additional £1 of future “ Triple lock” pension payments,back to the treasury!…… The State pension should never be taxable, if it’s your only income! GB

[@Annie-yv7rc]

Agree least government could do is raise the personal allowance for pensioners

[@leewilson2261]

I don't think the waspi woman should get the compensation. But the issue is that the Labour politicians lied and deceived them.

[@Phil-wc5iw]

Horrible labour

[@stephenflynn-y1o]

This Golf Sierra has betrayed every single one of us who have paid tax all our working life. Only to give it to persons who have not put sod all into the coffers. Traitor.

[@sheilajones4491]

Cedaw is fighting this still on grounds of discrimination. Women were treated differently to men in regards to their pension

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Course we would have made provisions, had we known. Ann, being disingenuous here. Callers are Not confused about private versus state pensions, where did she get that from ?

[@jtomlin1uk]

What provisions would you have made exactly?

[@pamelsims2068]

Anne......it wasn't that Waspi women didn't know.....we were just of an age where we thought retirement was imminent within 1-2 years and suddenly all plans for retirement, for pensions were stood on their heads.

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Some of us did not know

[@kaymilstead4374]

Born in 1954 I worked in Civil Service and told my state retirement pension would be paid at 64 years and 7 months. It was only after reading about the age increase in the Good Housekeeping that I requested a pension statement. It is absolute garbage that no compensation should be paid. I went on working till 68 plus. My stepsister 3 years younger received her state pension 3 years earlier. That’s unfair. As a minimum the government should pay the percentage increase for every 9 weeks longer worked which would help, especially with the withdrawal of the winter fuel allowance.

[@PatriciaUmpherville]

Well they spoke in our favour before taking Government

[@Annie-yv7rc]

We looked after children costing gov nothing we didn’t go to u university costing the government nothing we have looked after grandparents and parents saving the governments billions. Huge betrayal especially for people born June 53 expecting retirement at 60 then 62 but eventually 64.5 that’s a loss of 25K . CAN SOMEBODY please workout how much extra tax I’ve paid because that money is a an extra tax. My advice to the young have a great time spend all you’re money and somebody will pay you in you’re old age

[@briankerrison8504]

Not this government betrayal.. 🙄🙄🤔

[@GordonYule-d1y]

Can someone ask starmer the definition of a dictator

[@cynthiamorris1874]

Grandiose statements or lies?

[@PhilipBarker-b8g]

Betrayed, UTTERLY!!!!!!

[@redredlulu1]

I don’t understand any of this I and my work colleagues knew it was happening. They knew.

[@jtomlin1uk]

Exactly!!! It's pure lies to grab more free money.

[@kristinamasters1663]

Yes my Sister was b1956 she knew but I think the main points were, women earned less than men, for absolutely no reason, and they did not have enough time to get money together for their retirement. I was b1962 and I have to work till I'm 67. Its set to rize again. I wanted to retire at 65 as I am partially sighted with back and joint problems and I do a manual job. Also now people do not even have to say they are retiring they can just stay in that job. A lot of people do not want to retire at all. But where will jobs come from for the younger generations if we simply stay in the jobs. I also feel a lot of people now seem to look down on those that do wish to retire. Also Women b in the 60w worked longer hours and earned less than men too it's still going on today as well we are just not aware.

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Word of mouth, but you have to have at least one person to spread the word in your workplace. I didn't

[@davidconnor5136]

They promised the world and deliver nothing. Ps ever feel you have been had

[@daviddowns8068]

Get your facts right the tory party rose the pension age for women not labour and I am not one or the other, but let's here the truth for a change

[@AlanRay-lh6dj]

Well said labour always get it the neck by this vile right wingers

[@suecole7338]

What is the best use of public funds? Women save the government between £162 billion and £193 billion annually in unpaid caregiving services. (Note: These figures do not include Scotland.) Circa £10billion needed to rectify the injustice!!!!!!

[@collier8931]

@@jablot5054Hope you never have to choose to care for someone, what a fkin thing to say.

[@elizabethmair2948]

We knew of the changes proposed but not the detail of who it would affect.

[@jtomlin1uk]

That's not what these women are saying. They say they knew nothing about it.

[@angietowey]

You could use your brain and find out!

[@markwoodward881]

A bigger problem for women is that they lose out because they lost year's of contributions due to raising familys thats what needs addressing.

[@Cathyshealingworld]

Thanks Jean for contributing and being very true ❤

[@curtisfullman3694]

First time I agree with Ann, I don’t really care about this, get over it everyone now has to work longer now, deal with it. Typical entitled boomers.

[@elizabethsheffield6609]

...........you ought to concentrate more on your Parrots......... .they will teach you that by just reading & parroting what YOU CHOOSE TO READ - WILL NOT HELP YOU OR YOUR OWN FUTURE WHEN THEY ALSO CHANGE THE RULES FOR YOU.

[@jillhornby5604]

Do you have to be so rude and obnoxious.

[@erictaylor2831]

@@curtisfullman3694 and you are off to get your benefits today.

[@redredlulu1]

I’m a boomer and I knew about this. I’m not entitled and I dispute your comment.

[@johnnewbold-ll1zj]

waspi women did not get a letter i started work 19 7O I should of had my pension 2O15 there was no letter 😢

[@Bickle121]

If he did do it he would still get massively criticised for wasting money

[@MargaretBlake-t3w]

Here he goes again loves stirring it for labour needs to be more neutral considering this all happened under the tories..Is he really the best this country has to present on television.

[@robertaskew3677]

O Margaret getting your knickers in a twist because Liebour have been exposed AGAIN AGAIN AND AGAIN , deal with Marg we HAVE TO!

[@erictaylor2831]

Thinking Vine and Anne might have something going on😂

[@ehilton96]

@MargaretBlake-t3w.. The government, after backing the women when they were in opposition have now done a complete u turn. That's the issue. At the rate they are going there won't be anybody else to upset pretty soon.

[@karenjohnson1589]

This is about putting clothes on dogs, totally cruel, they must be much to warm and uncomfortable , much to warm for them cruel

[@gherkamum]

We find money to send abroad....

[@kaymilstead4374]

Sorry, Anne, you do receive letters from HMRC even if you don’t owe them anything. Not everybody is as informed as her! Nor as close to government ! Never received any formal notification from DWP (and I was a qualified a professional). There was not the widespread public knowledge around pensions as now. It is a consistent failure of the education system not to educate about finance and pensions at school%.

[@JwayT]

They got the equality they wanted.

[@danpepper2525]

The problem here is I agree with Ann and the caller Jill that people knew and it's also about who's responsibility is it. The generation moaning are also the ones moaning about the nanny state. That said despite my views that it's you're own job to check about your pension age Labour have made a rod for their own back by gaining favour with the waspi women whilst in opposition. It comes across duplicitous from Sir Keith of Hindsight.

[@johnnewbold-ll1zj]

@danpepper2525 it is not are Job to run after the government it is there job to let us know any changes if we owed them money they would let us know we had families we all worked hard 😤

[@Annie-yv7rc]

Not dec 53 December 52

[@jackiehill2427]

My argument is luv, that we were still members of the European Union at the time you decided to raise the pension age. In Europe today the people of the European Union are still receiving their pension at sixty. If we were still members of the EU how were you legally justified in altering the pension of EU members?

[@markmcbride678]

Tories raised pension age ... tories had 14 years to sort mess out but it's labour's fault

[@richiejames6484]

Labour literally promised they’d compensate them .. surprise surprise they lied

[@pjmoseley243]

Mrs Diane will support them

[@KayHutchinson-x1i]

Give us it from them £50 million you quite happily gave that away

[@chloeb3673]

Peak boomer entitlement

[@cynthiamorris1874]

@@chloeb3673 Well plenty of people who have never paid a penny into the system, come here every day and are very entitled!

[@redredlulu1]

Boomer here NOT entitled.

[@abhinashkumar3161]

Absolutely

[@tarlkoroban3733]

Women live 4 year longer than men so shouldn't get pension until they are 71. Hopefully Keith Starmer will make the necessary changes.

[@jillhornby5604]

who is this Keith Starmer.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

They loose private pension as they are likely to take time off work to raise children.

[@cafsixtieslover]

No-one knows how long they are going to live.

[@cafsixtieslover]

@@Wishing_you_peace Not many women can afford to do that now.

[@Wishing_you_peace]

@@cafsixtieslover it's a shame, it's such an important job.

[@anthonylloyd8000]

Didn't john Major bring it in.

[@fionay2014]

Everything kier stands for should not be surprising to the waspi women. He was asked what is a woman...and what did he say....

[@DavidRose-p1z]

Vote reform at least they tell the truth

[@jujutrini8412]

Any official government changes need to be personally communicated IN WRITING! Why is that so hard to comprehend?

[@jtomlin1uk]

Why? If the income tax rates change, the government doesn't send me a letter? I read about it in the news.