Flagship Intel MacBook Pro vs M4 MacBook Pro

[@JerrySchulze]

Sorry for the confusing way I presented the increase in speed but let me explain the math... To calculate how much faster X is in percent we use the formula ((final value - starting value)/starting value)*100 or ((15144-5739))/5739)X100 = 163.897. (yes I rounded up to about 170% in video) That is because we are calculating how much percent faster, rather that how many times faster. 2*100=200 but a 100% increase OVER 100 also equals 200. www.mashupmath.com/blog/calculating-percent-increase Do I always get the numbers right when I am calculating on the fly for a video?.... mostly-ish.

[@BanditZA]

@@JerrySchulze you’re still wrong.

[@BanditZA]

@@JerrySchulze you said 63% etc many times. It wasn’t a rounding error you actually missed out a whole 100%, see my replies to my comment earlier

[@BanditZA]

@@JerrySchulze here’s an example: Machine 1 = 100 Machine 2 = 500 Machine 2 is 500% faster than machine 1 (5x) With your formula it comes out as 400% which is not correct, that’s describing the difference not the % faster

[@BanditZA]

Did you use ChatGPT to get your formulas?

[@BanditZA]

@@JerrySchulze think about it. How can an M4 be only 63% faster than an Intel Mac? It’s way faster than that!

[@jimtipton8888]

Going from the 2019 Intel MBP to a 2024 M4 Pro is like going from a biplane to a F22. Great comparison video Jerry!

[@acasualviewer5861]

I have a 2013.. I guess it's time to upgrade finally I got a 2018, a fully packed i9, but hated it so I stuck w/ my trusty 2013

[@musiccreation1198]

2019 Intel MBP was as LOUD as a F22

[@DukeElliot]

@@musiccreation1198 lol

[@jammindesigns7135]

Feels like cheating I keep watching videos is slight disbelief

[@jimtipton8888]

@@musiccreation1198 But you never got cold! 😂

[@johnjohn3241]

I just upgraded from a 2018 MacBook Pro to an M4 MacBook Pro. Night and fucking day difference.

[@AjaySingh-sg9ot]

Did you get the base model? I am a Software Engineering student, currently debating if I should get a base model or upgrade it to M4 Pro with 24gb RAM

[@marlenegalea3864]

Am on 13" 2018MBP too, still love it but it's a dying machine I'm afraid. I think the obvious move would be to the 14" MBP M4 Pro but I'm afraid that in comparison I'd find it nooticeably bulkier and heavier. What did you think of the transition in that respect?

[@daveandrew7014]

@@marlenegalea3864 Have you considered M1 Pro? Literally half the price from refurbished sellers.

[@KatysCampKitchen]

Thanks! Just the information I was looking for!!! Thanks so much for making this video!

[@JerrySchulze]

Wow, I am so glad it was helpful and thanks so much for the super like. 👍 congrats on the M4 and if you need help setting up the new Mac maybe this will help. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4mki4WMh5qSmdEsi=VWfMaJQntvF4sXQV

[@macmuchmore1]

I had a late 2019 16” MBP i9 that was supposed to be the best/fastest Apple laptop at the time. It ran super hot, the fans ran continuously (and loudly), and it wasn’t that fast. I was so disappointed in it - I really wanted it to be my desktop replacement, but it was just awful. As soon as the M1 Pro 16 inch came out, I traded in the i9 - and what a difference!! The apple silicon machine was absolutely AMAZING. I still use it today and it is still super fast, quiet, and cool. Best computer I have ever had. I am sure the newest M4 Pro laptops are even more amazing.

[@eslouflai]

Can´t believe my tiny m1 doubles the intel macbook pro in every benchmark.

[@JerrySchulze]

Crazy, right?

[@paarkhi]

Apple silicon supremacy 🙂

[@Sakuyushi]

going onboard the ARM architecture was a big jump in terms of performance per watt and usage time!

[@bradleyanderson247]

@@Sakuyushi Yep. I thought there would be a lot of growing pains initially. Not so much. The performance/energy efficiency/heat generation difference have really kind of revolutionary.

[@tompov227]

Hello. I currently own and use that same Intel MBP. I am looking to buy an M4 MacBook Pro with the base M4 chip. This video is EXACTLY the comparison for me. If I didn't know better I would think you are listening to me personally to make this video. Thank you very much for this comparison. I think this is going to be the biggest single upgrade gap I have ever experinced

[@satg5733]

Get the extra 14 core m4 pro, it uses the same cpu as the m4 max, best value for longer term

[@tompov227]

@@satg5733 I want the plain M4. I have no need for the power of the Pro. Even the M4 itself is overkill for what I want most of the time. I really want the 24 hours of battery though which you do not get with the pro chip

[@apodexse]

@@tompov227 honestly the higher tier M4 pro is actually much less efficient than the lower tier M4 pro. It’s around 20-40% less efficient depending on how you test it and so it definitely makes a big difference. The lower tier M4 pro is slightly less efficient than the regular M4, it’s still pretty good though. But yeah, if you’re not gonna need the extra power that the M4 pro provides it’s really not a good idea to buy it. There’s no reason to go higher than what you need. I had a base M1 Mac mini, and that was more than enough for me.

[@mr_ww]

I did the switch a couple weeks ago. Please don’t expect too much, those 2019 MBP are still very capable. M4 is much better in all possible tests, has better display, battery, keyboard but you will forget about it in a day or two and the overall difference will be not so big

[@davidgurk3229]

I'm still holding on to my 2017 MacBook Pro for the simple reason that it still works. (Mostly.) That's my philosophy with any major purchase -- get the maximum lifespan out of it, then replace it when it no longer works. I try not to get caught up in the cycles of product updates with their planned obsolescence. I got my first MacBook Pro in October, 2010 and replaced it with my current model in January, 2018. So my first Mac had a 7 year, 3 month lifespan and I'm trying to match that with my current one. Getting pretty close now and I must admit I'm almost rooting for my current one to die, but until it does, I'm sticking with it.

[@nathandias6771]

That's the spirit. I love when things are built to last

[@UrsaFXTrading]

I hear you brother. I'm still rocking my 2012 MBP lol

[@davidgurk3229]

@@nathandias6771 Actually, I had some problems right off the bat and had to have the screen replaced but it's been good since then. The touch ID no longer works, the Touch Bar is balky, and I thought the whole thing died a couple of days ago but it rose from the dead. I think it's living on borrowed time now so I check the sale prices on a new unit every day. I hope my old one dies on a sale day!

[@MachielGroeneveld]

Still on the intel. For regular tasks it feels snappy still. It is loud and hot though and I’m seeing a lot of blocked tasks these days. And the battery drains fast in standby. Might do a reinstall. I would upgrade mainly because of the screen and thermal performance.

[@fVNzO]

since it's using the old 60Hz screen, I'd even say just selling the old macbook and getting a 15 inch air for cheap is a good upgrade unless you have a higher end spec on the old intel macbook. You'd get twice or three times the battery life and more than twice the performance in every task right. While there's still some value retention on these old machines i'd just get rid of it.

[@IqraaFamilyProduction]

Holy Smokes Guys 😱. Getting an M4

[@lorirocks777]

Great comparison, thanks! Just wondering how many cycle counts you have on the i7 & whether you've ever cleaned the dust out of the internals?

[@JerrySchulze]

About 290. Did not check for dust. Still a god test because if you are using an old intel laptop, the battery is probably not great at this point.

[@lorirocks777]

@JerrySchulze Thanks. I've noticed that my intel Macbook renders slower than it once did, likely due to dust buildup. The cycle count ist almost at 2000 and it's still performing relatively well.

[@JerrySchulze]

@@lorirocks777 also macOS and programs get heavier over time.

[@MStoica]

Why call it “the flagship Intel” when it’s the i7? The “flagship Intel” was the i9…

[@lasarith2]

It was probably the highest version of the i7 at the time so it would also be flagship .

[@MStoica]

Well… the video is made now. What is the flagship intel Macbook now? It’s the i9. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@lasarith2]

@@MStoica well that would also be called the i9 flagship version ~ the highest top version of each .

[@JerrySchulze]

Th 16" MacBook Pro was the Flagship, not the CPU.

[@MStoica]

@@JerrySchulze “Flagship Intel MacBook” clearly refers to the best Intel Mac there ever was… which has an i9 CPU, not an i7. So it’s not the one in the video

[@jose510]

Just upgraded to an M4 yesterday coming from a refurbished 2019 MBP 13in, can't wait to really begin using it after work! Appreciate this very informative review!

[@josephoduor2358]

Today is the day I learn control+tab shortcut to switch tabs in safari.

[@thomasm.uttendorfer8581]

The only reason why I upgraded to an M3 was because my Intel Mac would not connect to an external display without getting super hot and slow after an hour plus the fan constantly running

[@paulmiller591]

Thanks, Jerry. That is an excellent summary. This is what I have seen first-hand. Last week, I jumped from an i9 Intel Macbook Pro to a Pro Max M4. The changes to my Dev (AI & Docker Hosting) & Video work are remarkable. I am not a pro on either front, but my general productivity has gained significantly with the move. Thanks for not assuming we are all M1 users considering the upgrade. Apple's build quality often ensures 4-5 years of ownership, not to mention the expense of getting payback.

[@philippeastier7657]

Ports are Thunderbolt 4, not 3 as you mentioned in the video. Or event Thunderbolt 5 on M4 Pro and Max models.

[@JerrySchulze]

The 2019 has thunderbolt 3. I should have mentioned TB 5 on m4 pro and max.

[@Joe-zl7ts]

@@JerrySchulzeNo, you said the M4 had thunderbolt 3 pal. It actually has thunderbolt 4.

[@Shalomrutere]

A comparison that I totally didn't expect nor would have even asked for but so grateful it has been done 🤝

[@ARB826]

I still use a 2019 5k iMac. A few months back, I picked up a base model M3 Air as a lightweight coffee shop companion, and soon realized that things like Topaz Video AI are many times faster on the Air. As someone who likes using creative software, I’m caught between waiting for the Studio Max or getting a Mini Pro.

[@garretreed9709]

just wait (if you can of course) when they release it and you're not impressed then the Mac mini pro will be a lot cheaper at retail stores or there should be open box deals at Best Buy. I got my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 3-5 months after release and saved $600

[@whfowle]

I'm still running a late 2014 iMac which has topped out at Big Sur. It is good enough to handle routine computer work and light photo editing. I am looking to upgrade to a Mac mini with M4 Pro cpu but still thinking about the total cost which would include buying a Studio monitor.

[@Suprdave123]

I'm 13 seconds in this video, on the M4 Base, got it for under $1600 out the door on amazon literally 3 hrs ago...coming from a 2014 MBP...this is the most insanely snappy and amazing thing...I was torn watching reviewers try to get me to spend another $600 just for gaming...buy a PS5 or 6 with that $...just buy it if you've been waiting to pull the trigger like me. Amazon has returns until Jan 15, get the base and see if you need more.

[@garretreed9709]

people can also get open box from Best Buy. if theres a sale the open box are even lower

[@ThinkDifferentish]

Just ordered a M4 MacBook Pro to replace my mid-2015 MacBook Pro (i5 2.5Ghz/16GB/2TB SSD). Like your findings show, in normal use and web browsing ("power browsing"), my old MacBook worked fine. My daughter needed a laptop and since it is 10 years old I figured now is the time to upgrade and give her my old one.

[@JerrySchulze]

Enjoy the upgrade!

[@justinmilum2638]

Thank you for making this!

[@syndromatic.design]

Honestly? My old Intel 16-inch MacBook Pro still runs like a champ doing light tasks, it only struggles sometimes with pro workloads. I've been wondering if it's a better idea to wait for and buy the M4 Ultra Mac Studio and keep the Intel MacBook Pro as a light tasks/KZbin machine?

[@KatysCampKitchen]

Thank you so much for this video! I have been struggling to edit even in iMovie with my 2017 MBP. Finally updating to a Mac Mini Pro. This is the information I have been looking for New Sub

[@rbvan]

Thanks for this review Jerry. I just sold my i9 16” 2019 MBP 2 weeks ago in prep for the M4 Pro 14/20. Can I ask a question seeing as you were comparing with the 14” size? What are your thoughts about stepping down to 14”? I do use it for photo editing and don’t carry it around much, but I did find the 16” a bit large. Thanks! 🙏

[@JerrySchulze]

I find the 14 to be a better overall size at home or carrying around.

[@rbvan]

@@JerrySchulze Thank you!

[@nickdadon]

How are the speakers on the m4 compared to the 16inch i7?

[@immersionsensei]

Still using the maxed out MacBook pro touchbar 2018 intel enjoying boot camp launching into windows or Mac os. No problem at all except getting hot on windows and battery draining on sleep. I want to upgrade to the m4 but i read that windows cannot be installed since m1. Any solution has been found so far?

[@JerrySchulze]

No bootcamp but virtualization works for many things.

[@theemclane4037]

Perfect video!! I own the exact same i7 macbook pro I bought it just this year for $450 after alot of saving!! It's serving me quite well because I came from an i3 windows laptop. Hopefully if I work hard enough I'll be able to go apple silicon soon!!!

[@ArthArmani]

i have Intel Macbook Pro, i think is time to upgrade to Macbook Pro M4, great video thanks.

[@boysherman]

My personal Mac is a 2016 MB Pro 15”. My work Mac is the same here, a 2019 16”. The work one runs wild with the fan!

[@AbstraktMusicLab]

Thanks for the video Jerry!!! Is the fan noise from the M4 too loud? Let's say compared to the M1 MAx?

[@JerrySchulze]

Not at all. About the same on all the Max machines.

[@jonmchang]

Not to be a pedant, but that's a base model 2019 16" Macbook Pro. I did the same test on my high spec 2019 16" MBP, with the 8 core i9 CPU and 32GB RAM, and the multi-core score on Geekbench was 6,746 points. Also almost all of the larger 15 and 16 inch Intel macbooks all had dedicated GPU's...only the base models had integrated graphics only.

[@JerryLedesma1]

As much as I am fascinated by the Apple silicon chips.... I don't think I am ready to upgrade from my intel i9... It still works fine. But I need to add... it works fine for what I need. It's still doesn't feel like a drag for me to use. I particularly like that I can run windows without having to pay for parallels. I get to still play my simple games with my peeps and not run into MAJOR lag situations. I will say though, I do have the latest 13" iPad Pro (M4) and the latest iPhone 16 Pro Max. I can use any apple intelligence there if I absolutely need to. I will add, though, Apple Int. hasn't been the most "OOOOHHHHH MMMMMMYYYYY GOD!!!!!!!" experience it's been hyped up to be. At least not yet. I will be holding on to my Intel until it's last mile. If I ever decide to become a video editor or a "KZbinr", then I will definitely consider getting a Mac Mini. Thank you for your video.

[@RodrigoAReyes95]

That is the best 16 inch 2019? And what about the i9 with 5600m and 32gb of RAM? You can find those for around $1000 now.

[@JerrySchulze]

“One of the best” is what I said. There was also an i9.

[@WaveManMike]

Here i am still using the non flagship 2019 MacBook Pro

[@JamesArthurHurley]

YES I have been waiting for THIS video. Thank you! I wish someone would do this for Digital Audio Workstation apps too.

[@wisdomyaw03]

1:36 Thunderbolt 4 it is. Great video, btw.

[@Derekistan]

Just the video I was looking for. Currently holding on to my 2019 MBP 2.3 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9. The 'e' key stopped working and a case replacement is about $500, I did have the fans replaced when in for diagnosis. Video editing starting to become choppy at times.

[@zwstyles621]

Finally! While I have a 2019 13, 2.8 I7, this is good enough as a comparison! Thank you!

[@JerrySchulze]

Is this the year to upgrade?

[@tomladdus9264]

2018 MBP i7 2.8GGhz 6 core, still not terrible for KZbin watching and day to day tasks. Definitely going to get a M4 Pro or maybe Max. Feel I got good use out of intel one. Keyboard is barely working on it, butterfly keyboard, I've worn out the command key, it is now white. It runs hot. Mine is a 15 inch so screen size will also be a difference if I go with 16 inch MBP.

[@billymania11]

LOL! I still use my mid-spec 2017 MacBook Pro. It has 16GB, 512GB SSD and the Intel quad I7 CPU. It was not purchased for video encoding but for enterprise software development and office productivity. The keyboard went bad but Apple replaced that and I got a new battery as well. There is absolutely no reason to replace this machine. I'm probably good for another two years.

[@GraveUypo]

i use a 11 year old dual core machine on my office and it still handles its job beautifully. the era of mandatory upgrades every 2 years is long gone.

[@PassiveSmoking]

The 2019 MBP sucked. I didn't realise how bad it sucked until I replaced it with an M3 Max.

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep

[@EliasZeballos]

Thank you for your video, I have a 2019 16" macbook 16gb ram would I benefit from upgrading to the new imac m4? I mostly mix music and edit videos

[@ia6980]

I have 2019 i-9 macbookpro and ordered m4 max. I 7 is a little slower i assume

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep. That’s going to feel so awesome!

[@ia6980]

@JerrySchulze i was planning to return m4 and get used m1-m3 max theres plenty of used ones being sold now.

[@cjeelde]

Great test! What I miss is connect these laptops to an external display to see how fast/slow these ones are when doing that.

[@kodilutv]

Great video. But I would like to see a comparison between this FLAGSHIP Intel Mac 2019 and the FLAGSHIP M Mac 2024 (like the M4 Max). I.e. fight between Flagships, instead of flagship vs super base model. Thank you

[@janoo85]

For regular tasks the older is almost not slower but much cheaper :)

[@JerrySchulze]

You can find this 16” on eBay for less than 400. But you can also get an M2 air for not much more.

[@sppss914]

i have a workstation and a mac studio so I figured I don't really need to run anything crazy on my laptop. The only issue has been the battery. I can verify the battery deplates super fast and the battery life of newer ones are just amazing. Still, I doubt if it would justify paying more than 2K just for the battery life

[@mikaelholmstrom2513]

I still have the first gen of the the MacBook pros released in late 2016 with intel core i7. It still gets the work done but I think it’s time to upgrade to m4 max or m5 next year

[@JerrySchulze]

Fans on all the time?

[@mikaelholmstrom2513]

@ almost 😅

[@breakinggood-r2v]

hey i am developer , using presently m1 air basic 8gb ram , want to upgrade usually clone heavy open source projects do i requrie 16gb or 24gb ram ?

[@JerrySchulze]

More memory will help. Buy the best machine you can afford and use it as long as you can.

[@Wunderkinddd]

should i get the pro 12-core or the 14-core pro? what do you think is it worth it? i will do video editing, some coding

[@emilsecker7881]

Thanks, was looking for this comparison to see how much faster a maxed M4 Mini will be compared to my i9 16 inch MacBook Pro with 16 gigs of RAM

[@Sanchuniathon384]

I went from Intel MacBook Pro i9-8950HK / Vega20 / 1TB to the M4 Max 16c40g / 128GB / 4TB At least 6x faster all-round, and it's COLD. 20 hours battery life. Some tasks are 12x to 16x faster.

[@sppss914]

I just genuinely wonder what kind of job you do. May I know what are the reasons to max everything out on a macbook pro?

[@RogueCarrot]

I bought the 16" 2019 i7 MBP when it came out because I was excited to upgrade from my still perfectly fine 2013 15" MBP. But I quickly got tired of the constant throttling, excessive heat and super loud fans. So when the M1 Pro 14" MBP was introduced, I couldn't resist. I traded my 2019 in for $1200. Half the cost of the new machine. Best decision I ever made. There's no way I could have ever used that 2019 i7 for the last 5 years. But now I've traded up again to the M4 Pro model. Cost me $1200 again because my M1 was worth (And still is) $800. The M4 is just wonderful.

[@misterscruffle]

how are they both 16 inch screens yet the M4 looks much smaller?

[@irensaga561]

Because they are not both 16 inch screens…

[@KlutchAndJerel]

M4’s have Thunderbolt 4, no?

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep, slip of tongue, thanks.

[@mazterzjr]

I just bought a 2019 16in Macbook Pro and I really like it! Of course is not the best but for what I paid for it I think is really good

[@JerrySchulze]

If it does what you need, that’s great

[@UserAdam23]

Me too. Like you. I bought it a couple of days ago! I'm happy about it!

[@zanvengust1205]

Thanks for the fcpx detailed comparison. Deciding on M4 vs M4 pro

[@JerrySchulze]

If it helps, I compared fcp on the m3 and m4, also. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZbSfGx_er-rkKssi=sc75f3wM88xpMUe1

[@zanvengust1205]

@ ty, just watched. My only concern is that in 4/6 years time 16 gb ram wouldn’t be enough tho

[@dom1437]

I wonder if base model M gpus are as fast as the 5600m on the older high end models, as of the M3 gpu it’s still slower than the 5600m wonder if M4 would finally take care of it

[@cejay67]

As an owner of an i9 MB 16, I concur with this video, except heat and battery life are worse!

[@JerrySchulze]

Yep. I had one.

[@cejay67]

@@JerrySchulze At the time it was the best computer I'd ever owned. Cost a lot of AUD, but was happy with purchase. Then 2yrs later, got a M1 Mac Mini, which was conversely one of the cheapest computers I'd bought. And yet it was either as fast as or slightly better than the 2yo i9. I still have both, but the heat off the bottom of the i9 is uncomfortable if it has to do any work and the standby battery is not good, even though battery health reports as fine. Really only keep it so I can use Windows in Fusion for the few times I need a Windows OS.

[@Stoney-Lawson]

That intel MacBook isn’t even close to the top of the line of 2016 lol

[@brucewiebe6490]

This is the review I’ve been waiting for. I got the last Intel based MBP with 64gb of Ram and I was never happy with the speed. I think the GPU was the bottleneck for photo editing. I just hate waiting for my edits to render properly on the screen. I think a new MBP with M4 Pro will be in my near future.

[@zeroneg]

You need to do an edit. New MBP models using the base M4 have TB4 ports, not TB3.

[@JerrySchulze]

Ooops, words happen.

[@LlamaDesignLabs]

at 3:50 ish multi core score was actually like 250% faster

[@captain_zsa]

Hi, Jerry. Now I work on MacBook pro i9 2.4 and Radeon Pro 5500M 4Gb. Why you say i7 is best intel macbook? i9 more productive. I expected better macbook and I think, MB Pro M4 Pro is a best mac now. But I cant decide, M4 Pro 12/16 or M4 Pro 14/20. I suspect that new M4 will be able to work stably for about 7 years, unlike Intel and next year I buy 14' M4 Pro. Ou... what do you think, which monitor is better to get for mac? Is it worth saving up for an Apple Studio Display or maybe buy msi mpg321ux oled?

[@cejay67]

The studio display is amazing

[@JerrySchulze]

I said it was “one of the best”. Studio display is great but depends on your needs.

[@captain_zsa]

@@JerrySchulze Yes, but in my country price ~2000 euro, but Samsung S9 ~1100 euro))

[@crestofhonor2349]

Apple Studio Display is overpriced. I’d take the MSI monitor any day over the Apple Studio Display

[@captain_zsa]

@@crestofhonor2349 now I think, iMac Pro 5k is best for me)) Can install Windows and perfect monitor with luna display.

[@CheckTime]

MacOS 19 last update for MBP 16" 2019, MacPro 2019, Macbook Pro 2020

[@rowanberry26]

I have a 2017 basic i5 MacBook Pro. I use it for video editing quite often and it does lag and freeze when doing this which is frustrating, so the M4 would be Ana amazing upgrade. The only thing holding me back is the price. Not to mention apple would only give me £65 for my current model to trade in, pretty crazy!

[@mythicgamingmk1105]

I can’t wait to get my M4

[@JoTokutora]

Why not intel 2020 with the i9 and the 5600m which is a great gpu even today

[@JerrySchulze]

The last 16” intel MacBook Pro was 2019.

[@aresbarella98]

I switched from 2019 i9 ti m4max and everything is great exept for the screen, comparing both of them looks like the new m4 has a white point greener than the intel… wonder if anyone else is experiencing the same issue

[@ChrisPTY507]

I own an intel MacBook Pro as featured in this video and also an m1 peo 2021 16 inch MacBook Pro. Honestly I don’t have no intention to upgrade to m4, I use the m1 pro to work and the intel one for personal use and basic browsing and retro gaming on emulators lol.

[@aaddsssdsdsdaaa]

i own 16’ and it never overheats when browsing or multitasking

[@becontentandsilencethemind1562]

watching this on my i9 lol...for everyday use it's fine....i have to actually disable all Turbo to make heat more tolerable

[@maksrej5082]

The same, on battery i have to have a power saving turned on because the battery would die so fast. And for photo and video editing and rendering it isn’t as fast but to buy new i dont have budget right now

[@FaunoDufaux]

Should a get a laptop from mac or pc?

[@crestofhonor2349]

Depends on what you want to do with it. It’s not really one or the other, it’s based off what you want to do with it as both have their advantages

[@FaunoDufaux]

@@crestofhonor2349what are the advantages of a mac in terms of tech specs

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@FaunoDufaux this really isn’t about advantages in specs as windows laptops both scale higher and lower when it comes to specs. Macs do tend to have longer battery life but that has shrunk thanks to new Intel Core Ultra chips, AMD’s new chips, and Qualcomm Snapdragon chips. Qualcomm chips can even match or beat some Apple silicon chips in battery life It’s more about what programs do you want. Which is why I ask. Some programs work best on Macs while others are best on a windows laptop.

[@ronmac1832]

I have and use a 2019 iMac with a 6 core i5, a low spec M1 MacBook Air and a medium spec M2 MacBook Pro. Unless I'm doing video editing, I can't tell the difference between the 3. They are all excellent computers! I'm typing this on the iMac which I still love, even though the benchmarks tell me it is slow.

[@matthewstott3493]

Intel CPUs ran too hot and Apple refused to use the sort of cooling required as it didn't jive with their design. With the fans at full blast they could still throttle. Remember, Apple switched from IBM PowerPC to Intel due to performance per watt. When they realized their bespoke ARM mobile CPU designs could scale up and compete with Intel / AMD as well as exceeding the performance per watt by a large margin. They planned to transition from Intel to Apple Silicon. When the first M1 chips arrived, they were benchmarked and even Apple was surprised at how much better it was performing than expected. Now we are entering the 4th generation of Apple Silicon SoC. Most people will not need the Pro nor Max revisions of the M4. A MacBook Air with an M4 will suffice for 90% of users. The Pro is recommended for those who need and will use the additional power. The Max goes even further and for those that need every single GPU core, it will make a difference. Most every day office workers can barely make a Mac break a sweat. Mere seconds of a short CPU burst and back to idle most of the time. The new Apple Intelligence might be the most work these chips will ever encounter. If you are doing video editing then the Pro is enough. Most development will be fine with a M4 Pro unless it's A.I. related, 3D rendering, animation, etc. Those users need the M4 MAX.

[@vernearase3044]

Yeah, my daily driver is a 2020 iMac 5K core-i9 (10910), 128 GB, 4 TB, AMD Radeon 5700 XT w/16 GB, 10gb ethernet. I'm still on it because I love the screen real estate, and the 10 core 20 thread CPU still does okay - I believe this may have been one of the fastest non-Mac Pro Intel Macs produced and it was actually purchased _after_ the introduction of Apple Silicon. I believed it would get me through the transition period while there were still road apples making the first few bumpy months or years of the transition, and it would still allow me to play Windows games in boot camp where this is _still_ not a terrible gaming computer. I realize that Intel support isn't going to last forever, and I'm thinking about switching to a Mac Studio with a Mac Studio display and relinquishing this machine to be the family computer to replace the rapidly aging 2017 iMac 5K but the expense has held me back. I'm thinking that when the Mac Studio with M4 Max is released may be a good time to transition though I'm not sure if I'm going to want to go to a M4 Max or M4 Ultra, and I'm hoping for an upgrade from Apple on the Mac Studio display beyond a 60 hz LCD panel. The wife doesn't give me too hard a time about my Mac hardware purchases since I dumped a few bucks into Apple stock in 2014 where I've realized about a 147% non-compounded increase in value per annum, or a gross increase of 1520% (as of last Friday). I bought and held pretty much the whole time except when Apple stock was clearly going downhill for things like the pandemic when I sold and waited until the situation recovered and repurchased. I'll probably miss the boot camp Windows gaming part but truth to tell I don't really game much any more, and I realize how much faster something like Topaz Video/Photo AI will run on Apple Silicon where there's so much more horsepower. I _do_ have a couple of Apple Silicon machines - a 2021 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro for portability (which is when I sold my 2019 MacBook Pro) and more lately an 11" M4 iPad Pro for even more portability with its cellular modem, but neither has the screen real estate to be my daily driver.

[@TheScottShepard]

I have a 2019 i7 MBP an M1 Max, and M4 Max. The difference between the i7 and M1 for daily use cannot be understated. The M1 hardly gets warm. The battery life is amazing, it’s so fast for everything. It really is a joy to use. The M4 is not really noticeable for daily-driving, but makes a difference when you are paid for performance. If you just want a portable that is enjoyable to use then get a used M1. You probably don’t need a Max or M4 series.

[@jcadlols]

I’m currently in a spot where I need bootcamp. Almost none of what I need is available on windows ARM, so I can’t run parallels either. Currently running an i9 2.4Ghz with an 8gb 5500m and 64Gb of ram. I’m sure the M4 would outperform it and battery life is pretty terrible but it still feels like a bit of a powerhouse.

[@christopher3d475]

I had that 2019 MBP, and I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It overhead so easily and would become unusable. Good riddance.

[@JerrySchulze]

Was cool because was the best Mac laptop but lots of issues with heat.

[@Евгений-б9э6х]

ОООООО, я наконецто нашел этот ролик! все думаю пришло время или еще подождать годик другой)

[@cf3744]

I have that exact machine, and I still think it's good enough for everything I do.

[@lifetree4623]

My 2019 MacBook Pro i9 has always disappointed because it heat-throttles to a crawl every time I connect an external monitor. My M1 MacBook Air runs circles around it, but I'm hanging on to the i9 because of the 16" screen, 2 TB SSD, ability to run Adobe AfterEffects and the Parallels Windows emulation. I paid $4000 for it new, and I'd be lucky to get $400 for it now.

[@laminbarrow]

How times have changed? I remember many reviewers singing praises for the 2019 Macbook Pro after they got rid of the butterfly keyboard.

[@JerrySchulze]

That was a big deal and it was the best MacBook ever, up to that point so yes, it was praised.

[@N3tigen]

I9 9800hk MacBook Pro is dope in x86 soul With unlimited advantage It's amazing to do so much techie task . I hope and Apple's pro machine don't sold affordable

[@PaulHojda]

What I find even more impressive is that my near 4 year old M1 MacBook air is beating the intel macbook pro :O Really shows how monumental the jump from intel to ARM was that a fanless AIR would be faster than the fastest pro at the time.

[@Μιχαήλ-ω3ψ]

The M series MacBooks have thunderbolt 4 except the MacBook Pro m4 pro and m4 max ❤❤❤

[@That.One_Luke]

i totally need the 2019 mbp 16 inch with fully maxed out specs with the i9 cpu because if i installed windows or Linux on it it would straight up solo the M4

[@ZhuJo99]

You can run Linux and Windows on Apple Silicon without any problems mate.

[@darksidex2]

Watching this video has finally made up my mind as far as upgrading from a 16” 2019 MBP i9 to a 16” MBP M4 Pro. The fact you had to put it on a charger mid video was what was what really sold me. I can’t wait.

[@JerrySchulze]

Going to feel sooo nice.

[@dsblue1977]

I still need to use an Intel Mac because they are way better at virtualisation (Mac, Wind and Linux). If you need to virtualise old macOS systems, like Mavericks, it seem is more difficult on the new M4s.

[@pbrigham]

Me watching this on a perfect working mid 2014 MacBookPro :) I guess that when this one stops working and I'm forced to buy a new one I will going to fell some differences.

[@JerrySchulze]

Maybe a little…

[@jaimeduncan6167]

keep it running as much as you can. Some people change computers more often because we sell the 3-year model in the used market. I basically switch when the extended warranty is out. Even so my first Mac I keep it for 10 years.

[@acasualviewer5861]

@@jaimeduncan6167 I spent a fortune on my heavily packed 2013 MBP. I got a lot out of it. But now it's time to move on to M4. The question is between Pro or Max.

[@Unizuka]

i feel you bro, I had my 2013 laptop for 10 years and I even got slightly attached to it, I got it during my first year of university, and it stayed by my side until last year, it is still working fine, but I gave it to my nephew and got a new laptop

[@pbrigham]

@@jaimeduncan6167 I watch youtube, browse the web and check email, what more you need? And even being intel I only hear de fan when makes updates, so yeah is fine.

[@NickBDesigns]

Finally a comparison that I can relate to

[@JerrySchulze]

What do you have now?

[@NickBDesigns]

@ I currently run a very capable iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2020) Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7 Memory 64 GB 2TB SSD AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB Im a composer and video editor and have loved this machine but am noticing that with every new update my software has longer and longer hangups even with proper backups and content offloading when finished with projects finishing. I had a 2014 MBP before this and loved the portability. That would be my only regret to moving to iMac in 2020

[@miekboy13]

cant believe my base m3 air beats the intel macbook pro almost double and almost my own pc.

[@Jim181059]

Probably time to upgrade my late 2013 i7 mbp then...

[@JerrySchulze]

That hurts my brain. Will be like going from a kids Big Wheel to a model s.

[@hypoluxa]

Just shows how bad the Intel chips were on battery life and heat! Very happy with my M4Pro! If you're on an Intel Mac, now's the time!

[@NicholasMcClure]

I have no idea why anyone would have hung on to Intel Macs this long. I had a 15" 2013 Intel MacBook Pro which was a wonderful workhorse for 7+ years (heavy use graphic design). I held off upgrading in all that time because the 2016-18 MacBooks were more trouble than they were worth, and not that much of a jump in performance. Then finally came 2020 - having seen how much better M1 Airs had been running and the crazy jump in performance, the release of the M1 Pro was my cue to finally pull the trigger. SO MUCH BETTER IN EVERY WAY to the Intel. And that's just the M1 Pro, not even Max. So for anyone still holding on to Intel Macs - stop. Just stop. The M-series are a whole new world of performance and efficiency. All major pro apps are well optimized for the architecture now. Really no downsides. Come on in. The water is fine. (I'm still on my bulletproof M1 Pro 16" MacBook Pro, and there's really no need for me to upgrade yet - maybe when they do the next body redesign in 2026 or so).

[@GraveUypo]

because they're still capable machines able to cope with most tasks users can ask of them? you don't need a ferrari to do groceries.

[@lasarith2]

9:06 407.8 seconds not 401 though , having glasses myself 1 and 7 may as well be the same 😉

[@thestaticisreal]

I think the most shocking part was the battery life. The intel drains power 3-4 times as fast as the m4

[@JerrySchulze]

crazy, right? To be fair, the 16 does have almost 300 cycles, but it was never good to begin with.

[@Emissary52]

I just wonder how that old Intel Mac would do if it had a Lunar Lake Chip in it and was priced at $999. It would be slower than the Macbook M4 but would probably be more than acceptable to the vast majority of its purchasers.

[@crestofhonor2349]

It probably wouldn’t be noticeably slower and it wouldn’t be that big of a difference