Jesus Never Claimed to be God

[@CosmicSkeptic]

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[@micahhenley589]

If the bible isn't true and is mere mythology then it doesn't really matter whether or not Jesus claimed to be God. But Bart and Alex both know deep down that the bible(God's word) is completely true and authoritative. Thus if they can show us that it doesn't support Jesus's divinity then we must accept it for God's word must be accepted. Sadly, this is just a hateful attack on the Son of God. But no one ever had a reason to hate the perfect Christ. As He Himself said "They hated Me without reason." John 15:25

[@tommyrotton9468]

I see no reason why Jesus would not call himself god as going by the verses of the Old Testament the only difference between Adam and god was eternal life, so are we not gods, yes you are (Psalms) and so was Jesus. I think the current fixation for Jesus being god in the church is just theocracy making him the most important sacrifice. So they had to make the trinity etc etc

[@hubertagamasu6283]

EHRMAN DENIEES JESUS’ CLAIM TO BE THE SON OF MAN BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT IS A CLAIM TO B GOD By Ehrman’s criterion of DISSIMILARITY, not only is Mark a reliable Gospel but the verses quoted from here are valid because Jesus refers to the son of man in the third person [see Ehrman, “How Jesus became God”, p59, pdf version] Premise 1: The Messiah sits at the right hand of God [Mark 12:35-37] Premise 2: The son of man who comes on the clouds, sits at the right hand of God [Mark 14:62] Conclusion 1: The messiah is the Son of Man who comes with the clouds. Premise 3 (from conclusion 1): The Messiah is Son of man who comes with the clouds. Premise 4: Jesus identifies himself as the Messiah [Mark 14:61-63] Conclusion 2: Jesus, claims to be the Messiah, son of Man, who comes with the clouds. Premise 5: The Son of Man is given worship that is due to only God! [Daniel 7:13-14, the word for worship here is פְלַח [pelach, Strong's number 6399 ] and is used in Daniel ONLY for deity, not persons [compare Daniel 3:14, 3:17] Premise 6: Coming on the clouds is an Old Testament motif applied to only God! [Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3] Premise 7: The son of MAN IN Ezekiel, shares God’s glory [Ezekiel 1:26-28] Premise 8: Ehrman agrees, noting in his book that the Son of Man sits on the throne of God and shares His power! [Ehrman, How Jesus became God, read from p39] Premise 9: God shares His glory with no other being [Isaiah 42:8] Conclusion 3: The Son of Man Equal to God in nature. Premise 10 (from conclusion 3): The son of man is God. Premise 11 (from conclusion 2): Jesus claims to be the Son of man COCLUSION 4: JESUS CLAIMS TO BE GOD!

[@hubertagamasu6283]

​@@tommyrotton9468Did you hear Enrmann admit that the he calls himself God in the book of John, at least?

[@shassett79]

​@@micahhenley589 Is this the "atheists don't exist" argument that's trendy lately? What about me? Do I also secretly know Jesus is real?

[@tensecondbuickgn]

"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@tensecondbuickgn]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I would imagine you're the only person that gave a thumbs up on your comment.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@tensecondbuickgn People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT Make sure as a you are a repentant Christian. Read the Bible daily and pray often throughout the day, the devil is trying to make lukewarm Christians everywhere (Rev 3:16). Join us in spreading the good news of Jesus Christ. If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

[@o.k.8531]

Jesus never claimed the existence of a religion called Christianity.

[@samersalim659]

@@faubourglincolnthat’s incorrect. The Quran and the hadiths define Islam as the religion for man kind extremely clearly!

[@faubourglincoln]

@@samersalim659 Wrong. It was suppose to be a reform but still the same religion. Islam wasn’t even mentioned in the Quran.

[@tatsunada]

@@faubourglincoln Wrong. Last few words of Surah Al-Ma’idah, Quran 5:3 “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.”

[@sonofzahid]

@@tatsunadaYou cooked him. If he is looking for the truth, he will be satisfied with your answer. If he is not, then he will start yapping.

[@UncannyTale]

@@sonofzahid Exactly.

[@taisirghazi2963]

"BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING;I JUDGE ONLY AS I HEAR, AND MY JUDGEMENT IS JUST, FOR I SEEK NOT TO PLEASE MYSELF BUT HIM WHO SENT ME" JOHN 5:30-47

[@stinger4712]

Thanks. Just went to read that stuff. It sounds more like a messenger just trying his best to convince the people. not like a diety that has all power over all things.

[@servantofthetruth8203]

Facts 💯

[@superepicness1554]

What exactly is proven by this verse? In Verse 40, which you included in scripture listed, Jesus says that the people 'Refuse to come to me to have life'. What do you think that verse means?

[@superepicness1554]

​@@stinger4712 If Jesus was simply a messenger why in this exact passage in verse 40 would he state that people 'refuse to come to him to have life'? Can eternal life be found in a messenger from God?

[@pynx5585]

Trinity issue not a is Jesus God issue Jesus is submitting to father the authority here.

[@kadenzelmer]

10:30 "I and the father are one" John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am"

[@SmalltimR]

GOD has no GOD - it's just that simple

[@ethannnn1227]

@@SmalltimR Why place a limitation on God, who said God cant have God? Book of malachi mentions God sending God to save us

[@SmalltimR]

@@ethannnn1227 Since when is the most High GOD a limitation? You need to get your head checked if you think that's going to entice anyone with a capacity to reason into a rational debate... Common sense and reason, is a GOD given gift Contradictions and lies, are the kind of gifts one gets from Satan the devil ... As for GOD sending GOD in the Old Testament, it is obvious that these were not literal conditions, but moreso, that these were manors of speech used by the writers to identify GOD's will being done - taking note, of the obvious distinction between no man seeing GOD's face and living, and those standing before GOD's agents(or messengers).

[@NoahSteckley]

This is a big one no one’s listing lol

[@threetoonee]

@@ethannnn1227The definition of God is that he is limitless. Giving him another god is restrictive on its own.

[@MrWiru]

God does not die.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@MrWiru]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Jesus is not God.

[@adambrownhussein6525]

@@MrWiru Jesus(pbuh) is a man and a messenger of God(Allah).

[@Muhammed_Furqan]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only.” (Matthew 24:36) *So according to this bible verse, Jesus cannot be god because he didn’t know the hour. And as u know that god knows everything. Be consistent and cohesive that Jesus didn’t know everything. Therefore he is not god*

[@Oldmoneydan]

Exactly. Which is why he is risen!

[@MGold00]

If He is God, Why be scared to be stoned? Why would God be afriad of his own Creation?

[@BoosterShotss]

Not only that if this human god is GOD how did he allow other humans to kill him?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BoosterShotss In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@BoosterShotss]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 lol I love Jesus he’s my messenger & prophet, But he’s a Human & Humans can’t & will never be GOD!

[@Fringe4]

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

[@Lulu_8999]

@@coyotedesert4199it’s the English translation obviously

[@markwhite116]

Son of Man is a reference to a specific prophecy in Daniel. It's like some people have blinders on while reading the Bible.

[@jimstultz3345]

Many have tragically.

[@saberswordsmen1]

Son of Man is used throughout the old testament, not just Daniel. Over a hundred times.

[@markwhite116]

@@saberswordsmen1 The Son of Man is a title when it's stated as "the Son of Man." That title is referring to the Daniel prophecy. Try again.

[@saberswordsmen1]

@@markwhite116 "The use of the definite article in "the Son of man" in the Koine Greek of the Christian gospels is original, and before its use there, no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity exist.[3] Geza Vermes has stated that the use of "the Son of man" in the Christian gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages.[5]"

[@markwhite116]

it's actually what the first century Jew thought, which is who Jesus was talking to.

[@woody5476]

"If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."

[@BrandonBranson357]

Only in John’s gospel as they said at the beginning do these statements appear.

[@SmalltimR]

'no man has seen the Father' 'no man has ever seen GOD' 'no man has heard his voice' That said, and quite clearly, Jesus was not speaking literally, but rather, the words 'if you have seen me, you have seen the Father', were intended to show that Jesus was living-proof of His Father who sent Him.

[@woody5476]

@@BrandonBranson357 I happen to believe that John's gospel is part of the canonical Bible. Also, John was one of the only two gospel writers who was actually with Jesus. So why would you discount that kind of an intimate eye witness?

[@BrandonBranson357]

@@woody5476 The video: Jesus never claims to be god outside of John’s gospel. You: But in John’s gospel he says it. Your comment is pointless

[@woody5476]

​@@BrandonBranson357 You're right. It's pointless to debate with someone who wants to throw out the entire Bible, other than Matthew, Mark, and Luke. I'll throw this out there, though. Matthew 1 calls Jesus Immanuel, which means God with us. But then you'll say that Jesus didn't say that, even though it says it was to fulfill what the Lord said through His prophet. Also, Luke 22:70 "Are You the Son of God, then?” And He said to them, “Yes, I am.”

[@corinnebrixton6577]

"He's actually not crucified for calling himself God. His divine claims actually have no relation to any of the crucifixion narratives." Sorry? 'Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” (Mark 14:61-64) I'm sure Bart Ehrman knows these verses from Mark's gospel (which he acknowledges is probably the earliest gospel). What is Jesus saying here? Here's using the self-designation he most often uses for himself and taking it right back to where it comes from - Daniel 7:13-14. The one who (remarkably in the Jewish Scriptures) is described as 'like a son of man' and yet comes as God does (on the clouds of heavens), to whom God gives authority and glory (and God does not give his glory "to another") and who is worshipped (despite God being the only one who is to be worshipped). And Jesus before the high priest not only admits to being 'the Son of the Blessed One' but takes up the language of Daniel which speaks of him being worshipped alongside God. What's the high priest's response? - 'You have heard the blasphemy.' The High Priest understands exactly the claim that Jesus is making - and denounces it as blasphemy. It's a claim to divinity and that's exactly how it's understood by the listeners. (And it's there in very similar terms in both Matthew and Luke - with the same reaction from the Jewish leaders). Now, Bart Erhman IS right that the charge that Pontius Pilate is considering it that Jesus is the King of the Jews. It's there in all three synoptics but made most explicit in Luke - who records what the Jews say when they take Jesus to Pilate: "We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Messiah, a king." (LUke 23:2). Why's that? Because Pilate won't care about their Jewish scruples about blasphemy, but he will care if someone is setting himself up as a king in opposition to Caesar - that's what will get you killed under a Roman governor (and the Jews know it!). That's why the Jews play the system and change the charge from blasphemy to sedition. That's what will get you crucified. Actually, Bart Ehrman is wrong again saying that Pilate kills him for claiming to be king of the Jews (though he is right in saying that's a political claim). PIlate can see through it all - all four gospels tell us the same thing: that Pilate can see Jesus' innocence and doesn't consider him guilty of any crime. He knows the Jews have handed Jesus over because of envy, but eventually caves in to the crowd. (It may well be that his own political situation was precarious at this time due to the political situation in Rome with his supporter Sejanus having recently fallen out of favour with Tiberius - and he therefore wanted to avoid open conflict with the Jews.). So it was precisely Jesus' claim to be God that got him killed. Bart also doesn't really seem to have fully addressed the fact that in Mark 2 the religious leaders DO clearly see Jesus' claims as blasphemous - and Jesus doesn't tell them, 'no, no - I wasn't really claiming to be God there' Just the opposite in fact. Oh, and Mark also tells us in the same narrative, "Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts." And what would Mark, a good Jew, know? "Yahweh knows the thoughts of man." (Psalm 94:11) Oh, and a couple of chapters later, Mark records Jesus calming a storm with his words. And his disciples (in the boat with him at the time): "They were terrified and asked each other, 'Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (4:41) - Actually, they know who stills storms - Yahweh again (Psalm 107:29). I could go on (has power over death, calls himself Lord of the Sabbath, creates matter, is called 'my Son' by a voice from heaven, calls himself the son of the vineyard owner (ie God) - and this is all in Mark's gospel, not John's).

[@landonbarretto4933]

You know this because you read it in a book? Really?

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@landonbarretto4933 Just commenting on the book that Bart Ehrman is commenting on... And don't we only tend to know ANYTHING about history because people have made records? I'm sure most of the exams that most of us have taken have been on stuff that we've read in books. I'd love to understand more about what point you're making.

[@nichobee]

​@@landonbarretto4933 yes...the exact same book that Bart read

[@nichobee]

Bart is essentially referring that this is just one giant misunderstanding running for 2,000 years. My own common sense finds this highly unlikely. If Jesus didn't even implicitly claim to be God, then the New Testament would read much more like Life of Brian.

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@nichobee Exactly. This would have either been the one of the greatest misunderstandings or the greatest conspiracies in human history, one that has managed to keep going despite many of its earliest proponents being put to death for doggedly adhering to it. I just don't think Bart Ehrman's claim is credible when you consider all the texts. The idea that Mark's gospel (as the earliest) didn't really claim that Jesus was God and that these were legends or embellishments that somehow suddenly evolved in the small number of decades before the gospel of John (with its more overt claims to divinity) seems sligtly ridiculous when you consider that Mark's gospel points to Jesus being the son of God... in the first verse. I suppose that Prof Ehrman will claim that's really not a claim to divinity, but it's funny that the religious leaders of Jesus' day seemed to know with great clarity that Jesus was making claims to divinity... in the second chapter of Mark. And then just a couple of chapters on, Jesus is demonstrating the sort of power over nature that the Jewish Scriptures spoke of as being the power that was wielded by God himself. (I could go on...!!)

[@mike9512]

This to me is a perfect representation of what freedom of speech is supposed to be. It's an open discussion about sensitive topics but it's not mean spirited, derogatory or condemning a group of people. You can agree or disagree, but it's just too guys having a discussion. Love it.

[@spol1622]

@@WillofGodwhosoever as long as you do not shove your beliefs down my throat I do not care.

[@mike9512]

@@WillofGodwhosoever I went to church for 4 years and have either read or heard most of the New Testament. I have nothing but positive things to say about Jesus. If Christians actually did what he asked them to do and lived by his example this world would be a better place. But sadly they don't. And in my experience Christians are more likely to mock Jesus than anyone else, especially with their actions. And the various Church's, for so much of their lifetime, have been the worst offender. And really it's not your place to know where I go when I die. It's just your opinion. And I'm grateful we live in a society where I can agree or disagree. But either way, whatever is in store for me, it's not up for you to know that. But you're kind of presuming if I don't say, believe or think X then God will do Y. But your faith is for you and your soul, not mine. You presume to know my path when you say you have mercy but that's not for you to decide. You can ask God for mercy for yourself but it's not your job to dispense it to others. That is God's. You're supposed to treat others as you would anyone else.

[@meandonlymeandher5747]

you are deluded pls, stay away

[@cygnusprime6728]

This isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of the flow of the discussion. This is simply what two adults with an ounce of respect & education look when having a talk/debate. We're just so used to people interrupting and yelling that whenever people talk this way it seems fascinating.

[@mike9512]

@cygnusprime6728 yes, %100 agree.

[@josephlerz6889]

There's a verse in the Bible Matthew 24:36 saying " No one knows when that day and hour will come - neither the angels in heaven and the Son ( the father alone knows ) "

[@StingrayAkbar]

But all knowing guy is ignorant. He never showed up and saved people's arse

[@raulmaarcheco5099]

That’s one of the many verses that proves Jesus is not God. Satan offers Jesus the world , how is that possible. God created Satan and the world makes no sense unless Jesus is not God

[@josephlerz6889]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 Yeah and Jesus died at 33 but he only was given his purpose I believe when he was aged 12 and before that he didn't know.

[@Dfw_hoodlums]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 you are so wrong because since Jesus is God he doesn’t need it cause he’s the one who created and he’s the one who can destroy it and if you just read when Jesus is talking to the Jews that he says he is God and I can give you one that no one can argue John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” He literally saying he’s God and if you actually read the Bible you will found more evidence then that, that say he’s God.

[@AmbitiousSpartan_10]

In Acts 1:7 Jesus said “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority". Jesus used the word YOU and not US even though he was present with them, he was implying that he knows the hour, but he did not want the apostles to know the specific time. Jesus said these words after his resurrection, after defeating death.

[@thehoxtontrend]

I have always held this view, God says only worship him, so how can I worship Jesus too, I love and follow jesus and hos followings but I do not worship him, I worship God, the God of Jacob, Isaac and Abraham.

[@adrianquinonez6667]

Christ is God He himself said before Abraham was I AM.

[@alwaysfighting8676]

John 8:58: Jesus said, "Before Abraham was born, I am!" John 10:30: Jesus said, "The Father and I are one" John 5:17-18: Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father Matthew 25:31-46: Jesus claimed to have the authority to judge the nations John 5:25-29: Jesus claimed to have the authority to raise people from the dead Mark 2:5-7: Jesus claimed to have the authority to forgive sins John 14:13-14: Jesus claimed to have the power to answer prayers Matthew 28:20: Jesus claimed to be with his followers always John 1:3: The New Testament equates Jesus to the creator of the universe John 16:15: Jesus said, “All that belongs to the Father is mine”

[@mahna_mahna]

@@alwaysfighting8676 So what you're saying is you didn't watch the video but thought replying anyway was a smart thing to do.

[@alwaysfighting8676]

@ no you are saying that, I have studied for 35 years in comparative religious studies and you don’t need to do that to know anyone who even remotely argues with this has clearly never read the Bible.

[@mahna_mahna]

@@alwaysfighting8676 It's a shame you spent 35 years but couldn't spare 16 minutes, in which your exact specific quotes were addressed.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

Jesus was a human being.

[@TR13400]

Do tou think Christians deny that? Lol

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is the trinity make up?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h I don't understand the question.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is trinity that the Christians falsely believe in.?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h The trinity is God.

[@MBTechSearch]

We are saying the exact thing for 1400 centuries, that a messager of God comes to tell people to worship God alone and not to worship the Messenger himself

[@BadgerWolf-19]

Jesus had been saying he is God for 2000. Got you beat😂😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BadgerWolf-19 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@meab12]

For 140,000 years??? Really????

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@meab12 He meant 14 centuries

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@BadgerWolf-19 That lie has been told to you for 2000 years.

[@yknows3158]

Jesus wasn’t a “christian” he worshipped his creator

[@SmalltimR]

As the term Christian, literally means, follower of Christ, the notion that Jesus would be His own follower does not make any sense whatsoever. That being said, and while it is certainly true that Jesus worshipped His Father as GOD, of whom He called His GOD and our GOD, this would have no bearing whatsoever with Jesus being a Christian - of which, is very silly if you think about it. PS, contrary to what many believe today, Christianity is not defined by the trinity or the fact that Jesus is GOD at all - as these are the products of the false teachings of men rather than GOD's written truth - follow Jesus, not men!

[@loba7373]

Youre a disgusting heretic, Jesus claimrd to be God many times! You cannot follow Jesus without following the Bible ​@SmalltimR

[@MJ511KW]

@@SmalltimR stop believing in the lies of paul he never even met Jesus

[@master13fox]

@@SmalltimRdon’t claim such ridiculous things. Jesus was prophet. Who told you that he is god? Paul? Church? Roman Empire? So blind

[@master13fox]

@@MJ511KWexactly! Ameen to that. They are blind. I was Christian for 20 years And Alhamdulillah I left this joke

[@MrComedyGT]

7:59 It's interesting that Bart said it is easier to say "Your sins are forgiven" but completely ignores the context of the time and WHO Christ was speaking to. Jesus was asking a rhetoric question to the scribes "Why do you question these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’?" (Mark 2:8-9). To a Jew, it is quite impossible to say "your sins are forgiven" because only God can do that (Exodus 34:6-7, Psalm 103:2-3, Isaiah 43:25 and Micah 7:18-19). Funnily enough, it is later on said "The Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Mark 2:10). Literally TRIPLING DOWN on his claim to be God in both the title Son of Man (Daniel 7:13), and the authority in "HAS authority to forgive sins". In actual fact, healing the paralytic has been done later in Acts 9:32-35 and Acts 14:8-10 by the apostles, so it is "easier" for Jesus to say to get up and walk, because it has been done by others. I put easier in quotes because if you ignore the context of John 14:12, it does seem easier by logic because it is not only Jesus that did it. But Jesus says in John 14:12 that whoever believes in him (Jesus) will do greater things than these (speaking of his own miracles). The greater speaking of numbers as Paul healed more people than Jesus did in his ministry. The point is, it is contingent on the belief in Christ to do these miracles so this is not easy either since Jesus gave authority for them to do this, meaning only Christ has authority over healing. Bart seems intelligent, will not take that away from him but his reading on the Gospels in context to their beliefs in 1st Century is clearly lacking if he did not pick up on these things. Furthermore, he is wrong about the general Christian understanding on this passage

[@SmalltimR]

GOD gave such authority to men

[@thurmansmithjr3149]

​@@SmalltimR To men, in Christ.

[@samfelton5009]

Love that you had William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman on to talk about the different positions on the historical Christ, would love to see this done with more theological takes!

[@Mar-dk3mp]

Let's repeat to those godless and souless alone hipocrite, which you does not neet respect for the follow reasons: When you see people talking contantly about something they do not even believe in you should already know that is a cult that have nothing to offer to you, but you are a western godless idiot and hipocrite how can you get it??? Real No respect for you... Real those godless alone people are that stupids and do not deserve any kind of respects... They are all here to kiss some godless ass... they should get from the point those godless people who they like to kiss their ass, that they talk always, and are obsessed with something they did not even believe that Atheism is a fraud and a cult... (no respect for their dishonesty to get it). why they do not get it???) But I guess you are a western, always the worst... and now even in Godenier version. No respect for you.... Now, Let's repeat for those godless hipocrite who always spend so much time to talk about the nothing they think they will be once death, and run to kiss someone godless ass, because that is what their new no sense cult "called Atheism" lead those people to do... See those godless rats do the only thing they an do run once they see a godless videos, that what you rats can do when you are lone godless idiot, you have no God and no Community. So many reasons to do not have any respect for you rat Goddenier idiot Here other more enjoy to see how more disgusting and idiot you modern godless idiot are: They are not called atheists but western godless and soulless modern idiots: who is a western godless and soulless idiot a) someone who fallows this new bullshit almost never existed before b) someone who does really believe God to exist cares about his or her opinion c) someone that will believe from now constantly that he will be Nothing once death, poor cursed idiot... D) someone that does not have any kind of Spiritually, (how can can someone without God or soul have any kind of spirituality??? No go no soul no spirituality (why do you even live???) E) someone who will pay afterlife infront God F) someone if he is right mostly he will Be NOTHING once death but if there is God and we are right and his or her heart will stop he will not know what to do once God will ask "why you did not believe in me" (what would you say?) (What a fool) G) someone who will feel strong now to deny God but hopefully he will not need, because if he will get down, depressed, older, alone and closer to death God is only things he get, but he is so stupid to do not get now H) someone who doesn't not even have an actual community I) someone who see atheist on Internet the term atheist and go writing some shit because he got no community... L) someone who deny his creator which we called lier m) a goddenier so a lier by definition... M) is someone who decide to do not have by purpose a sacred things as God and for free (what a poor person!) N) we got what you do not and give us much force and for free. O) someone who have very much few things to believe in. Let's say that if you do not believe in God, what do you believe humans (I believe in Humanity as well, however: wars, genocide, cheating, bad talking, and so on) what hell is left? P) someone that does not God R) therefore if you do not know God or have in your miserable life how can you deny what you do not know?? How to pity those fools and their miserable life to be so???? (No questions as you godless and soulless hipocrite, but actually answer)... Anyway. No respect for you at all. You may not believe now, but you do not know if you will pay this modern idiocy to deny God in future... Wait and see, wait and see, you fool. (So think next time to write certain things or to be a godless and souless idiot, because there is very few things you can lean on)... if we die nothing will happen to us, as wewill nothin as you think we will be, but when your heart will stop, well infront God, when he will ask you why you did not believe in me what would you say??? You are playing with the fire, your problem Godless Fool! Why n yuo want follow only you instincts as f** animals but they change all the time and you as human can get crazy and think killing is God... How to pity your miserable life, you Godless idiot, for real? Only a godless idiot can call God, which is all an imaginary friend, for real you are disgusting. Modernity and its idiots. (by the way this channel is getting more and more ridiculous talking about and be obsessed with something that they do not even believe... Only godless and soulless idiot do not get it, why?)... Hope you will no need God in your life because otherwise you will be fuck* up searching for the nothing you are and you believe in. No respect for you and your family, your mom and father who rise up such godless idiot. Be ready to cry because of God is real you will be fu**d up, and all this for not believe for free and in a simple way. What poor person you are.... Np hope for you and respect for this godless generation hope for the next one to be better then you. (you sand on Nothing, the nothing you think you will be and now cursed to think so constantly, even if you will not admit it). You are just fool yourself, how to pity your miserable godless life? laugh and enjoy the life now, because in the future you will be scared for denying God, your creator... They are alone... Poor modern godless idiot. No pity for them... Their really need to kiss godless people ass .. disgusting human being. that does not make any sense dude. God is all-mighity and all powerful he can see you and can even stop your heart in any moment, so. So think twice before be a godless and souless idiot because the world and God does not go around you and what you think about him. But you want just fool yourself just trust none expet you that are a disgusting godless idiot No respect for you. They really deserve to die alone without God. How can anyone can pity your miserable and godless alone life? No respect for you modern godenier, you do not deserve it... The are fighting against something they can never win, God.... What fool people! The what is so positive to do not have God, Soul (as a freaking robots), an actually community, live and die alone as a godless fool? And why do you always talk about something you do not even believe in (God)? Are you a godless and soulless modern idiot, then live like that, right? You are into a cult where you are alone and you do not even get it. Are you that smart you godless alone idiot? I just have enough with those people and the cult they belong to and the obsession for what they do not even believe, what hipocrites! Their just pathetich alone human being. No pity for them. Of course God made it, who alse your mother made it??? Anyway as always you godless and soulless alone idiots, have nothing to offer to us, to yourself, and to the world. No respect for this godless alone pathetic generation. That how this new Cult "atheism" makes you alone idiot, and with nothing actually to say, because you are based on the nothing you think you will be once death. (but they love to kiss godless ass, they run for it, Disgusting) No respect for you and the family who raised you so stupid and alone... Reallly they have nothing to offer to us, to the world and to themesleves, that stupidity and lonlyness. (this channel is getting more and more ridicolous and who said the opposite is a godless alone hipocrite). we godless and souless modern alone people are obsessed with someone who get riched be obsessed and talking constatlly about somethin he and you do not even believe. You are ridicolous. Another reason to not be like you. Atheism leads to Nothing. No God No Spirituality Not an actually Community Only Loneliness and Obsession for God and what you do not even believe anymore. But yes be disgusting Godless ass kisser... Let me ask some questions (be honest to answer): the first question will be... how does you feel to have less sacred things in your miserable alone godless life then us? And then why are you into a cult that leads to nothing? And why you are a part on something that have nothing to offer to us believers, but loneliness?? and finally how can you deny what you do not know or have in your alone godless life? and why God should care about what you think to exist? Go and be honest once in your life you Goddenier. (Do not write to this message if you actually have nothing to say, as you always godless people do... What waste of lives yours, for real). If you had some dignity you must be ashemed to deny God... But you do not have any, right???

[@matswessling6600]

why? theology is just fantasy.

[@Nitroade24]

@@matswessling6600 It's really interesting

[@matswessling6600]

@@Nitroade24 no. its like discussing the material in bat mans mask... useless.

[@emilsundbaum5221]

@@matswessling6600You could make that case for anything if you stretch it far enough. If you don’t find it interesting don’t study it then.

[@johannmatthee5727]

4:30 Didn't Pontius Pilate want to release Jesus, claiming that he found no blame in Him. He went further and offered the people 2 options of who to release, Jesus or Barabbas and the people all shouted to crucify Him? Also he, Pontius Pilate wrote a sign saying King of The Jews, in Hebrew, Greek and Latin so that all could see, and the Jewish authorities told him to remove it. It does not sound to me like Pilate wanted to kill Jesus. I might be mistaken though... so open for a conversation

[@InShadowsLinger]

In which gospel? If you watch the rest of the video you will find that he talked about Pontius Pilate and how the gospels progressively absolve him of the blame. Just a brief search seems to point to John.

[@Colthrone]

You are absolutely correct. Jesus was no threat to Rome. Pilate and Herod sent him back and forth to each other because neither one had any idea what to do with him. It was the angry mob that caused his crucifixion.

[@diegog1853]

If you watch the whole thing he actually speaks about it. And how Pilate becomes less and less guilty for the later sources. The idea being that the "civilized" greeks and romans actually writing the gospels (that were not jews) wanted to blame the uncivilized jews for the death of the son of God, and not the romans, remember that the early spread of christianity focused a lot in spreading to rome and their provinces, which included a lot of the letters in the new testament. Historically, there is no reason to believe Pilate will care at all about not killing jesus. the romans crucified people in the hundreds. They also spoke about some reasons to believe for why Jesus did see himself as the future king of the jews once god came and bring the apocalipse. And at the very least, some people believed he would be the king of the jews. Which gives plenty of reasons for Pilate to kill him. I really recomend watching the whole thing, is very interesting.

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@InShadowsLinger missed that part, sorry XD, so what extra biblical sources or reasons does he give for saying that the Bible absolves him of blame, and what would their motive be for absolving him of it? To make the Jews look bad, but they were the very people to whom the disciples preached and tried to convert?

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@diegog1853 Mark 14:60-65, the accuse Jesus of blasphemy, and that in Jewish culture in Leviticus is punished by death. You are right it is interesting, and unfortunately I am guilty of not watching the whole thing through. My mistake on that part.

[@jamessanders145]

I remember as a kid being very confused about the passage of the sin forgiveness precisely because he didn't directly reply with "I'm forgiving your sins".

[@billgreen576]

Sin is a word the religious use to keep you toeing the line. It is not a real thing.

[@jamessanders145]

@@billgreen576 I'm not talking about present views and I was referencing the passage that was mentioned during the discussion. Certainly there's a lot of control motivating the creation of all organized religion.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@Homegrownmusic591]

He didn't say lots of things because he talked in parables. He called himself I AM .

[@SmalltimR]

He never called Himself I am - stop being silly now The lengths that people must go-to to claim that which isn't written is so terribly embarrassing

[@alexanderK2700]

Before abraham, I am means he existed before Abraham not that he is I AM god he also says i and the father are one and later continues you should be one like me and the father, so does that means the saints are gods as well? We have 14-15 gods now hindu style😂😂

[@JDN-ii1td]

Wrong. If he was merely claiming that he existed before Abraham, he would have said I was instead of I AM. By using the awkward phrasing I AM, he’s making a very clear and concise point referencing “I AM who I AM” from the Old Testament. He’s literally clamming to be God, and gets stoned for it. The Jews understood the message.

[@alexanderK2700]

@JDN-ii1td and jesus said when they stoned him, you say that I AM clearly refusing the title of his father that the others accused him

[@JDN-ii1td]

@@alexanderK2700 No he did not. “So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.”- John 8:59

[@waystrings1590]

Quran( 9:30).....The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)"

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@waystrings1590]

@@tspfab7309 in quran...jews rejected jesus (pbuh) as the prophet ...jesus(pbuh) performed many miracles infront of them but still jews said "you are not Allah's messenger, your just a magician"

[@mbarnabeus]

​@@tspfab7309He also said according to the bible that the disciples should also be one with them so now do you worship them too?! polytheists Propaganda

[@eugene307]

@@waystrings1590 jews never called Uzar son of God in the Bible. The word Uzar not mentioned even once.

[@waystrings1590]

@@eugene307 quran nevers says all the jews...quran says there are some jews called uzair son of Allah...similar to christians...and also there are some jew worshipped the cow instead of Allah...after they repent to Allah , Allah forgave them

[@rabahben-k9v]

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Bible, in the book of John, chapter 14, verse 6. Even John testifies that Jesus is the way to God, not God Himself.

[@Kman566]

Think about it..... It's saying that Jesus is the transportation BUT God is the destination.

[@taisirghazi2963]

Prophet Jesus peace and blessing of Allah be upon him is the way because he was sent by The Creator as a PROPHET.

[@ScottRyan-Akhi23]

Thank you! My recent interpretation of that exact same verse. Jesus(PBUH)was a prophet. Alhamdulillah.

[@dr.wealth5990]

All prophets were the way the truth and the life.. when the prophets came.there was no other way

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@JCMcGee]

There's a couple of times here when he talks about Pilate wanting to kill Jesus......didn't Pilate want to release him and was he not a bit surprised when the crowd decided to release Barabus?

[@deductivereasoning4257]

As soon as he acknowledges Luke, he's been duped...

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

Yes. But that's probably one of the parts where the Gospels aren't reliable. Do you know that there are parts of the Gospels that aren't reliable? "How can you tell the difference?" You'd ask... Simple: you ask Bart Ehrman. And don't go asking for contradicting evidence or any kind of proofs! The fact that Ehrman says it should be proof enough!

[@JCMcGee]

@@deductivereasoning4257 explain please...

[@deductivereasoning4257]

@@JCMcGee Luke and Paul were clearly grifters - if they were even real. Luke, who was most likely Greek, is known as the physician. Well, what medicine was he handing out? How was any medicine not ritual based? Why is it not common knowledge as to what he was handing out as medicine? Luke said to trust doctors because their knowledge was given to them by God. Uh, how is that not proof he was grifting? And then, the Catholics, who push Luke more than anyone, created the 1st hospitals. And why are those 2 the most pushed apostles when there are like 50 others? I mean, they didn't even run with Jesus, so why are they the most relevant? Makes no sense other than a grift. Paul claiming to be blinded and healed is the easiest ailment to fake. And then, was his name Saul or Paul? If he is was so relevant, why any confusion?

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

Let's see what SCRIPTURE says about it: "For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily." - Colossians 2:9 "Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh..." -1 Timothy 3:16 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son. They shall call his name Immanuel;" which is, being interpreted, "God with us." -Matthew 1:23 "If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on, you know him, and have seen him..."-John 14:7 "...before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:58 "looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." - Titus 2:13 '..."We don't stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God."' -John 10:33 "...Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God..." -Romans 9:5 'Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed..."' -John 20:28 "...I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." -Revelation 22:13 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." - John 1 "The Word became flesh, and lived among us..." - John 14 "For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, 👉Mighty God, Everlasting Father,👈 Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6 'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' -Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77 "His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance..." -Hebrews 1:3 ”Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, who, existing in the form of God..." -Philippians 2:5 'Seeing their faith, he said to him, "Man, your sins are forgiven you." The scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, "Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?"' -Luke 5:20-21 'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."' -Revelation 1:17-18 👉Jesus received worship: "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him." -Matthew 2:2 "They came into the house and saw the young child with Mary, his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him..." -Matthew 2:11 "When they got up into the boat, the wind ceased. Those who were in the boat came and worshiped him... " -Matthew 14:32-33 "... They came and took hold of his feet, and worshiped him." -Matthew 28:9 "He said, "Lord, I believe!" and he worshiped him.' -John 9:38 ..."Let all the angels of God worship him." -Hebrews 1:6 👉Now compare this to when people tried to worship people or even angels: 'I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."' -Revelation 19:10 'Now I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. When I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. He said to me, "See you don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers, the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."' -Revelation 22:8-9 'When it happened that Peter entered, Cornelius met him, fell down at his feet, and worshiped him. But Peter raised him up, saying, "Stand up! I myself am also a man."' -Acts 25:26 ... And in Acts 14:8-18, St. Paul rejects worship And from the mouth of Yahweh Himself: ⚠️"I will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me whom they have pierced..." -Zachariah 12:10

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

Jesus is God, part 2 💜 'But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O 👉God👈, is forever and ever..."' -Hebrews 1:8 "AND THOU, BETHLEHEM Ephrata, art a little one among the thousands of Juda: out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be the ruler in Israel: 👉and his going forth is from the beginning, from the days of eternity." -Micah 5:2 'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. 👉I am the All👈. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' -Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77 "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." -Hebrews 13:8 👉"For I am the Lord [Yahweh], and I change not..." -Malachi 3:6 Jesus is LORD (Yahweh): '"This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: “I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God."' -Isaiah 44:6 👉"...I [Jesus] am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." -Revelation 22:13 'When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. 👉I [Jesus] am the first and the last👈, and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades."' -Revelation 1:17-18 “Why does this man speak blasphemies like that? Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [👉 EXACTLY! 😂] -Mark 2:7 "His Son is the radiance of his glory, the very image of his substance" -Hebrews 1:3 👉"...our God and Savior, Jesus Christ" -2 Peter 1:1 "For by him [Jesus] all things were created in the heavens and on the earth, visible things and invisible things, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things have been created through him and for him." -Colossians 1:16 "To the only God our Saviour through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory and magnificence, empire and power, before all ages, and now, and for all ages of ages. Amen." -Jude 1:25 "that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth" -Philippians 2:10 “Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to 👉worship him.” -Matthew 2:2 👉"...unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24

[@sheldon2658]

Bro we need to educate these Muslims who are stupid

[@malam4961]

All of this according to 3rd party or persons who never meet Jesus besides those statements by not by Jesus or God

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

@@malam4961 absolutely incorrect... Clearly you didn't read the lists. Confirmed by Jesus and Yahweh. This time, actually read the lists. Thanks, all the best!

[@Belief_Before_Glory]

@@malam4961 "If you had known me [Jesus], you would have known my Father [Yahweh] also. 👉From now on, you know him, and have seen him..."-John 14:7 "...before Abraham came into existence, I AM." - John 8:58 👉 "I AM" is the first person name of Yahweh. 'Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed..."' -John 20:28 👉 Notice Jesus doesn't correct him 'Jesus said, "I'm the light that's over all. 👉 I am the All. The All has come from me and unfolds toward me. Split a log; I'm there. Lift the stone, and you'll find me there."' -Gospel of Thomas, Saying 77 Finally, from the mouth of God Himself: "I [Yahweh] will pour on the house of David, and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; 👉and they will look to me whom they have pierced..." -Zachariah 12:10 ⚠️"...unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24

[@FatimaBarkatulla]

This is what the Qur’an says. He never claimed to be God, he was the Messiah and Messenger of God.

[@MegaChickpeas]

Quran literally says Jesus is the Word of God sent down via His Spirit...and then taken back to Allah himself.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MegaChickpeas God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@@MegaChickpeasyes the Quran says Jesus as. is the word of god, but why? Quran 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! Jesus as. is called the word of god because aside from the first human he was the only one created directly by gods word/command. That he was sent down by the "holy spirit" of god is simply wrong, I dare you to show me where the Quran says this. The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel in Islam, not a person of god.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen ,sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@ no that’s not how judgement works, if you steal from someone they can make the decision to not sue you that’s perfectly fine with our justice system. Neither is it a thing that god punishes infinitely for smaller sins, no if god doesn’t forgive you you pay for it in hell but not eternally (the only eternal punishment you get is for disbelieving in god).What doesn’t work is if you commited a crime and the judge decides that you are guilty, but he doesn’t sent you to prison but his own son. That’s ridiculous

[@wagsman9999]

One of the issues with Christianity is events were interpreted by subsequent humans, like Paul or the gospel writers, and we have way of knowing if they got it right. They did not know Jesus, they did not witness his ministry.

[@wagsman9999]

@herbivoremd2592 No. We have no idea who wrote the Gospels. This is standard modern biblical scholarship. These books were written anonymously, many decades after the facts they describe. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John were affixed sometime late second century. The authors never tell us who they are, and they never tell us their sources. The stories are written in high-level Greek, the followers of Jesus would have uneducated fishermen, ... illiterate, and would have spoken Aramaic. The NT captures a circulating tradition, part oral, part written. How much is fact vs. fiction is unknowable, it is underdetermined. We have limited access to the historical Jesus.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@herbivoremd2592 You're so deluded.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@@wagsman9999 We have no access to the historical Jesus. It's all fabricated.

[@dulls8475]

@@wagsman9999 Your evidence that they were illiterate and uneducated?

[@DrinkTeaAndBreathe]

@@wagsman9999 True. Well said.

[@japexican007]

1. Every single time Jesus called Himself the “Son of Man.” The Pharisees sentenced Jesus to death for blasphemy due to Him using this title. Why? Because it’s a reference to the divine figure seen in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. We know this vision is exactly what Jesus intended to bring to mind when He used that title because at his trial he referenced this vision. “Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy. What is your verdict?” “And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Jesus is claiming to be the son of man who sits at the right hand of power The son of man is given dominion(everlasting), glory, kingdom(shall not be destroyed), “that all people, nations, language, should serve him” “But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ The “saints of the most high”, who is the most “high”? “until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Judgement was given to the saints of the most high” "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. " I WILL RAISE IT UP" “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live. Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die” why would God allow this even knowing that it would lead to confusion amongst the church and even scholars and atheists is God not powerful enough to put on human flesh and reveal himself by coming down to his own construct? Since God is spirit therefore unseen what is illogical about Jesus being "the image of the invisible God"

[@usponsvijestiuzisusakrista8185]

Amen

[@japexican007]

@@ConcedoNulli i watched the whole video, did you?

[@S_L__]

Also Matthew 3:17 - "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." and Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." I think that's a confirmation of Jesus' Divinity.

[@ruinzz.]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@ruinzz. In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@Lermer07]

Matthew 28:9 King James Version is a verse that isn't talked about enough. After Jesus rises from the dead, he says "Hail" and his followers worship at his feet.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven

[@thislittlehomestead6572]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Moses did not die, why?

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

Ehrman does think through this a lot (I didn't realize that the major instances of Jesus explicitly saying "I'm God" are all (or most) in John for example). However, there is one thing he talks about here that I don't agree with his logic: forgiving the paralytic's sins. When Ehrman is explaining the story, at 8:42, he states that Jesus's enemies are the ones that point out "Only God can forgive sin." Ehrman and then Alex use this later when they bring up John 20:23 when Jesus says "if you forgive then they are forgiven." This story helps their point because they say that priests would say "your sins were forgiven" too, and they were not claiming to be God. Therefore, Jesus is only saying he has more authority than the Pharisees. As it stands, I don't find anything wrong with that argument (I think it's pretty compelling actually). However, there is a detail in that story that both of them leave out: the Pharisees never said "Only God can forgive sin." If you look up the story in all the synoptic gospels (Matthew 9:1-8, Mark 2:1-12, and Luke 5:17-26), they all word this as not something the Pharisees were saying, but something that they were thinking internally. It's something we only know about because the gospels claim that Jesus knew their internal thoughts, and they don't record him telling the crowd what the Pharisees were thinking (Jesus not telling everything to the crowd isn't out of character for him either since the gospels are filled with stories of him explaining stuff to just the disciples after he preached, which leads me to conclude that this detail was something that Jesus explained afterwards to the disciples). If that was the line of thinking of his accusers that led him to do the miracle that shows his authority, I would expect Jesus to make some sort of correction to their logic if they were incorrect; which is absent in the story. If their thought was referring to authority given to priests as representatives of God himself forgiving sin, wouldn't a more direct thought be something along the lines of "doesn't this guy know only people given authority by God can forgive sin?" and not "doesn't this guy know only God himself can forgive sin." This dichotomy, just like with the famous "before Abraham was, I AM", story leads me to think that the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was trying to communicate when he told the man "Your sins are forgiven"; that he was in fact God himself, not only just someone with more authority than the Pharisees. To sum it up, to conclude that that story is not Jesus making a claim to divinity is an interpretation that is not supported by the story itself (and, if I may add, Jesus's statement of giving the disciples authority is found in John, the book that Ehrman argues is not reliable to learn about Jesus; I only see room for doubt of the interpretation that its a story of Jesus's claim to divinity if you use that saying in John, but according to Ehrman, we can't use that book).

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

This is quite compelling, but couldn't one just say that the Pharisees were wrong about who could or couldn't forgive sins?

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

@@VictorMainaKinuthia That's certainly possible, but one would have to look elsewhere to make that claim that the Pharisees were wrong. If you were to use the rest of the Bible to make that claim, I would argue that the rest of it would support their thought, that only God can forgive sins. At least from the internal source of the religion itself, there is nothing to disprove their thought, but instead, agrees with their sentiment. I'll even go one step further; lets go with the option that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were in fact made up; which means that that authors' are creating Jesus and using stories to describe who this made-up person was supposed to be. This still doesn't change what the most obvious (or at least what I argued above) interpretation would be; it's a story that claims his divinity. If they had free-reign to write whatever they wanted (because we are assuming it's a fictional story) and the point of the story was just to show that Jesus had more authority than the Pharisees without also being God, I would argue it would make more sense to write that the Pharisees' internal (or even something they said out-loud since that probably seems more believable if they were trying to create a lie, at least to me) thought was focused on their authority to forgive sins (or what kind of people were given that authority by God) rather God's authority itself. The fact that the story not only has Jesus not correct or challenge their belief that only God can forgive sins but that these writers would have decided to make that the statement that the Pharisees were thinking of in the first place still leads me to believe that their intention of the story was to show that Jesus was making a claim of divinity. Basically, I'm saying that if this was made up or not, the interpretation that aligns most with the story as it is written is a claim to divinity. (P.S. I know this wasn't necessarily what you were asking/saying, but your question got me thinking more, and I wanted to share)

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

​@@jesusbrickfreaklego9388 You make a good point, but we can still support this claim using the content from the Bible. If we're taking Jesus' lack of correction as a metric, we need to remember that the same story is retold in Matthew 9. In verse 8, the crowd is recorded as saying that the authority to forgive sins has been given to human beings. "When the crowds saw it, they were filled with awe, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to human beings." Matthew 9:8 (NRSVUE) By your logic, Jesus' lack of correction for the crowd implies that God isn't the only one who can forgive sins, but He has also granted that authority to mankind including "The Son of Man".

[@PC-vg8vn]

Ehrman contradicts himself left, right and centre. Only chooses those parts of the New Testament which he thinks support his views and dismisses the rest, conveniently.

[@getasimbe]

I would argue that there's an important difference between being divine (in the sense of being above man) and being the same entity essentially as God

[@pawoon]

No matter if he SAID it ir not, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CANNOT DIE

[@vhawk1951kl]

Calm down dear, those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser but also declare to all the world that they are raving lunatics.

[@XnonTheGod]

Creators! last i asked Zues said he was partying with Thor and Odin to do some lightings on earth...

[@alexantollin564]

@pawoon, your mouth is the creator of the creator of the universe out of nothing but saliva with atoms

[@JesusLord_of_lords]

He gave up the ghost then resurrected. The tomb is empty..

[@redafx2527]

true

[@dd.oliver]

Dont be silly. Jesus said: “I am the Lord of the Sabbath” you cannot say something like that in the first century if you are not claiming such a thing. Plus the pharisees understood it very well that took stones to stone him. And you didn’t 2k years later.

[@SmalltimR]

Everything Jesus has, was given to Him by a higher power - including His Lordship - Jesus was very clear about this, though as the people do not listen nor accept His word, we are therefore left with false claims and teachings as a result - follow Jesus, not men!

[@apollo8352]

Matthew 12:8 was written around 70AD in the midst of the Jewish revolt when the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed... at the height of the Romans trying to convince the Jews to convert to this more manageable christian faith they were fabricating for them. Remember the Gospel was only attributed to Matthew, it says it everywhere... only ignorant faith followers claim it was written by the Apostle Matthew. .

[@FirstorDirt]

Maybe somewhere down the line the religion of Jesus was turned into the religion about Jesus.

[@vladtepes9614]

The "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Who told you that "the "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts", and why do you believe them? Reply

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl When God met Moses in the burning bush He referred to Himself as I AM. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There you go Jesus called Himself God right there and the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There's just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there? Is there nothing you won't drag down into your anthropomorphic gutter? Chatty little thing your image, idol or fetish what? Just... like... you.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is there*Nothing* that you will *not* drag down into your anthropomorphic idolater? gutter?

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@htxhallitronix1569]

Of myself, i can do nothing..

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@drilonkrasniqi9928]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Who was Jesus prayed to and why he learned and didn't know the season and hour

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928 He never sinned, He becameman so He could die a sacrifice Receive the love of God or the Hate of the devil. Be Holy or be sinful. Choose light or stay in the darkness. Be selfless or selfish. Life or death. Right or wrong. Win or lose. Sins forgiven or spend eternity paying for your sins. Heaven or Hell. Choose life, choose Jesus today.

[@LuxuryBaybar]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ignorance and rejection of truth also can lead to everlasting hellfire human are being blessed 🙌 out of many creatures by their creator to think not to be fed a senseless believe there's only 2 communities on this planet that believes in Jesus came and go and will surely return and the written is on the wall it's up to use God given knowledge and find out with sincerity and he will surely show you the way

[@LSSOUNDERJIK]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928Because he was fully human. He’s also fully God. Everyone in this comments section just found out about day 1 reddit tier arguments smh

[@qqqalo]

14:55 That's literally what they do. The verse after Jesus says "I am", it says "So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." (John 8:59).

[@r.a5765]

Exactly. It's crazy how baseless his claims are. Same thing with Mark 14:62-64. After Jesus affirms that he is the Messiah, the high priest literally condemns this as blasphemy. The verse goes on to say that they all condemned him as worth of death. Let us pray for Bart. That He would one day acknowledge the truth and reverse the damage he is doing in convincing people of this great lie that Jesus wasn't who He said He was.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@r.a5765 People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@TakinErEasyHere]

John 8:58: "Before Abraham was born, I am!" John 10:30: "I and the Father are one" John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" Matthew 10:40: Jesus claims that he and God are one in the same John 4:25-26: Jesus declares, “I, the one speaking to you-I am he” John 5:17-18: Jesus claims that he is equal with the Father John 13:13: "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am"

[@jeffstewart1668]

I can help you with more corrupt scriptures if you like

[@theunapologeticjew]

11:37 I’m surprised Mr Ehrman has never pointed out that “I am” doesn’t work in Hebrew or Aramaic, only Greek and very few people in the Galilee spoke Greek

[@vhawk1951kl]

the romans spoke Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the roman empire supposedly but nothing can be known of the past. There is simply no way of knowing who spoke what when and where nor how many. You may guess and believe but not know - directly immediately personally experience anything about the past, because the past cannot be verified. What is called history is and can only possibly be, belief, supposition or guesswork because the past cannot be directly immediate personally experienced or known, and that only leaves belief.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@vhawk1951kl thanks for your comment. I disagree that history is simply belief. What I quoted is directly from a well known and respected historian. The not working part is a fact, the Tetragrammaton does not mean I am. Neither Hebrew nor Aramaic have a present tense being verb. I agree with Mr Ehrman though, Jesus never said it. It was added in Greek to his sayings much later. John’s writing is circa 100 CE

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@theunapologeticjew Belief is belief is belief whether it is is the belief of an historian or your or my belief or shit is shit and there is no non-shit shit, or slightly less shitty shit. There is simply no way of knowing what language whoever is being called Jesus spoke. Almost everything about whoever he was is third fourth fifth etc hearsay, and self evidently if Christianity was ever a living tradition it has now died out as such, or if I am wrong about that, it is being kept a very closely guarded secret. It occurs to me that what matters is whatever it was that he taught, not the language in which he taught, about which I have to confess I am more than a little hazy, but I would bet he tried to avoid the god word for obvious reasons.

[@forgivenessseeker2023]

Almighty God said: Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew); ho on (in Greek). Jesus Christ said: Ego eimi (in Greek). Ho on is not ego eimi. How can "ho ōn" even be confused with “ego eimi” on Greek? I believe that Jesus is not claiming to be God, he is claiming to be the Christ or Messiah.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@forgivenessseeker2023 my Greek is not so good. So you are saying that even in Greek there is a difference between the verbs? Would not have Greek speakers known this? Why is the “I am” utterance in John taken as gospel then? Jesus would have spoken Aramaic. My historian states very little Greek in the Galilee

[@pstbukkie]

43. He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says, 44 “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ’ 45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@yohanebergerkouokamkuisu4238]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT You said it all. For those who have eyes, let them read.

[@Backswell]

THE LORD (God Almighty) said to my Lord (Jesus, the one who would sit on David’s throne forever, that God himself revealed to David in prophecy)

[@vhawk1951kl]

Lord is just another word for boss, or master, do there is no magic in the word'lord'.

[@DatDudeCT]

“Before Abraham was, I AM”

[@chadspinnox566]

I'm going to become Muslim now because this is exactly what Islam is saying about Jesus and God. In Islam, God doesn't have kids and parents and wives and has no human characteristics and that Jesus is only a prophet and messenger not God and not the Son of God. Looks like Islam is the corrective original Christianity of Jesus himself.

[@DragovianMythiX]

Correct, had the Jews (not the Gentiles, because Jesus didn't preach to the Gentiles!!!) not strayed from Jesus' commands, then Islam probably would not have existed now. Unfortunately, (most) Jews ended up rejecting him (the Jews had this habit of rejecting prophets), while the Gentiles turned Jesus into something so vastly different by injecting polytheistic thoughts and theories (not unsurprising since the Romans and Greeks were polytheistic and had the biggest influence back in the day), hence Islam restoring the message. It makes sense if you look at it objectively.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DragovianMythiX All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@dxedit001]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Free will at it's finest

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

Well you do know islam favors slavery so don't forget about that right there

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 No sir no humans need to repent period because can also allow certain groups of people to be wiped off the faced of the earth

[@4Rick44]

And always stated he was sent by the Father to do the Father's will. He even stated the the Father who sent him is greater than him so I don't understand how people think he is equal to the Father when he himself said the Father is greater than him who is sent.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

JOHN 3:16-20 (READ IT ALL) . 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

[@nad0862]

What’s your point you can believe in Jesus, follow his teachings and still not think he is a God but a messiah.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@nad0862 Nah if you don't believe He us God you will go to hell for your sins John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[@nad0862]

It’s so funny cause your response just made my point thanks, just reread what you wrote !! If you believe in him you are saved it’s not written He who believes he is the son of God . Sons of God and children of God are all over the Bible, that does not mean they are literally his children ( and apparently you are not one of them with your foul mouth and ways (« Blessed are the peacemakers for they’ll be called children of God ») m. Lastly you don’t get to say who goes to Hell or not, who do you think you are to claim that, it’s pure blasphemy only God gets to decide.

[@Mrwick97]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 John 3:16 is a fabrication and interpolation

[@doomfathertm8771]

Jesus never said he was God.... Mathew 1:23, Colossians 1:15-20, Philippians 2:5-8, Hebrews 1:3, Proverbs 8:22-36, Colossians 2:9, John 10:30.

[@SmalltimR]

None of those are Jesus saying He was GOD lol If you want to see what GOD declaring Himself as GOD looks like, then look no further than the GOD of Jesus Christ - ie, I AM GOD, I AM GOD ALMIGHTY, WORSHIP ME, ETC. ETC, ETC That said and quite obviously, those claims you're citing, prove to be nothing more than the feeble fabrications of human conspiracies. GOD has no GOD - never did, never will.. no man has ever seen GOD, and so this Jesus was GOD conspiracy, is nothing but hogwash. - follow Jesus, not men!

[@adrianquinonez6667]

Yes Christ Does you need to study Scripture to understand that Christ Does reference Himself has God. Christ said before Abraham i AM this is what God called Himself has well.

[@SmalltimR]

@@adrianquinonez6667 The Greek words, now translated I am by most English Bible's today, was never recorded as a title or reference to the GOD of Israel. That said, and in contrast with Jesus' own GOD and Father, and who is repeatedly recorded declaring Himself GOD, the written records reveal, that Jesus would never once cite such a declaration for Himself, and moreso, that He declared His GOD and Father the only true GOD - the simply is no way to reconcile that Jesus be equal-to or GOD Himself as a result. NB, the standing conclusion for proponents of such beliefs, is that those aspiring or putting faith in such things, do so at the cost of common sense and reason - taking note, that you did not address the contradictions derived from such a view against the proposed Bible passage, and that your only recourse, is that of ignoring such things, and in-favor of pretending that we should all subject ourselves to man-made conspiracies, rather than the simple truth - iow, GOD has no GOD

[@doomfathertm8771]

@adrianquinonez6667 if you knew scripture then you'd have recognized the Bible verses I cited and not made this comment 😉

[@kqatsi]

None of these except John 10:30 are quoting Jesus. And the video addresses why the guy doesn't believe that Jesus actually said the things in John. Did you even watch the video?

[@thefaithfulchristian2035]

John 14: 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. John 14:9 Jesus replied, "Philip, Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form. Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.

[@ncooty]

Excellent interview, knowledgeable interviewer, superlative guest.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

Ehrman's right that only the Gospel of John has Jesus claiming himself to be God, but the other sources do have him claiming some divinity (though not on full equality with God). Jesus notes himself as the "Son of God", which is either taken literally (as with most Christians) or taken just as a symbol of praise. If we accept the second thesis, then Peter, Mark, and Matthew should also be called "Sons of God", but obviously the title's meaning for Jesus is distinguished from the title's meaning for anyone else. Jesus explicitly claims Godhood in John, but claims some loosely-construed form of divinity in the other Gospels while even submitting to God in the personhood of the Father. Since Christians are not polytheists and affirm the existence of only one God, there cannot be some "lesser" form of divinity in Christian doctrine but only a single divinity, so it makes sense to simply state Jesus was "God", which Paul elaborates on in Philippians 2:6. The understanding of Jesus as completely equal to the Father is a misrepresentation of Trinitarian dogma. Trinitarians believe that Jesus had divinity, the Father had divinity, and the Holy Spirit had divinity. There only exists one divinity since God is one, so Jesus' divinity is equal to the Father's divinity. Yet Jesus still submits himself to the Father on basis of his human nature, so Jesus is also subordinate to the Father. Trinitarians don't claim to know how specifically this subordination happens, but it's logical to call Jesus God if he claims any form of divinity at all, even if it isn't direct Godhood, otherwise Trinitarians would be polytheistic.

[@MathewThomasFET]

Read the epistles. Php. 2; Titus. Etc. Jesus before the Sanhedrin in the gospels. Mk. 2 - Being Lord of the Sabbath. Lk. 7 - forgiving sins. (The reaction of those present - who can forgive sins except God). Try to understand that Jesus was accused of claiming to be God which His accussers said is blasphemy. They, in His time, understood what He was saying. Why don't you ❓

[@osman7900]

Since the original of bible is not English, it is quite possible that “son” and “father” were incorrect translations.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

​@@osman7900 If I recall correctly, terms like "Son of Man" are best understood in their meaning when cross-referenced with other parts of the Bible, specifically, the Old Testament, which talk about these terms in a bit more detail. It does not simply imply prophethood or being the messiah, it implies something deeper in the Old Testament.

[@osman7900]

@@ArthurWahoowa even within the Old Testament, the word that is translated as “son” may actually have different meanings in different contexts. In addition, considering that the original languages of the Old Testament and the New Testament are different, I am not sure how reliable cross-referencing those terms can be. I am kind of pre-opinionated regarding this issue. No offence intended.

[@ArthurWahoowa]

@@osman7900 No worries about offence, we are all trying to reach the truth in the best way we can. Thanks for the conversation. While the languages used was different (Hebrew vs Aramaic and Koine Greek), the authors of the New Testament were intentional about cross-referencing what they referred to as the scriptures in their revelations. So even though there is a language barrier, in my view it is reasonable to assume that cross-references mean a similar thing.

[@SamikMak]

Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Clearly if Jesus was considered to be the Messiah, which he did claim to be, he had to have supported this claim, that the messiah will be called Might God.

[@SmalltimR]

The title of God given onto those in subjection to YHWH GOD, does not make them equal-to or God themselves

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Micah 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@jithel7948]

So if you want to "fulfill" a prophecy, you place your character in the right place.

[@SactumDeiEleuses]

People quoting john didn't watch the video

[@jasonmwaniki159]

Matt 16: 16-17 ... remember He has never denied when He was called God

[@EvilXtianity]

Jesus claimed to be God: John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“ Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and he stated that Jesus is God: Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.” John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God." John 20:28 Thomas declared, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 "...the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:1 "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." John 8:58 "I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!" John 1:1, 14 "The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh". Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping him.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

He always knew who He was...there's 4 gospels all different in their own way, draw it from that context.. all these titles he was given and never denied them once... See what these titles reference in the OT what they mean...Son of man, Son of God, King of the jews... question you should be asking is not whether Jesus claimed to be God but why He came in the flesh... and when you say that the jews of the time were sceptical of him of course they were.. that is why the gospels were written.. I guess you also need to understand who God is and the trinity...UNDERSTAND. Why He came in the flesh. Understand why they called Him blasphemer. Understand why the pharisees were angry with him when he said He forgives sins and wanted to arrest him. Understand why He was forced to leave early after He healed him. UNDERSTAND why they crucified him. when his disciples called him God, he never denied it. He knew who He was. UNDERSTAND the full context...

[@PrinceofDisks534]

⁠@@EvilXtianityyour post shows you didn’t watch the video.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

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[@EvilXtianity]

@@jasonmwaniki159 _"....there's 4 gospels all different in their own way..."_ None of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.

[@robertgellert1325]

It’s easy to deny that Jesus ever claimed to be God if you simply choose to not believe any of the Gospel accounts where Jesus demonstrated or outright claimed to be God.

[@jotarak9393]

guess what, not a single gospel author met jesus. Matthew and John were the only two apostles to meet jesus and their gospels werent even written by themselves. not a single author of the bible or the gospels met jesus. you can look it up if you think im lying

[@robertgellert1325]

@@jotarak9393 You choose to believe Bart Ehrmann, I choose to believe the Gospels. I guess we’ll find out who made the right choice once we die.

[@jotarak9393]

@ bart isnt the one who claims that. thats literally what all bible scholars agree on. none of the authors met jesus. but whatever man keep believing in a fairytale about an abusive god that endorsed slavery and murdered children. read your book, youll find those things in it. i was a christian too until i read the bible.

[@mahna_mahna]

I see you chose to not watch the video where this very thing was addressed and refuted as unlikely.

[@thecosmickid8025]

​@@robertgellert1325 Upon reading the Gospels, I, years ago, independently, came to much the same conclusion that Ehrmann is describing here. It's not a matter of "choosing to believe"; it's a matter of examining the texts closely, asking questions about what's there, what's not there, authorship, language, context, etc., to figure out the fullness of what they are telling us. And what these texts are telling us, in the night-and-day difference in theology between the Synoptic Gospels and John, is that early Christians' ideas on who Jesus was and what he was about were evolving dramatically over the course of the First Century. So many concepts like the divinity of Jesus that are now central to Christianity are just so suspiciously absent in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Heck, some concepts don't even appear in the New Testament at all. The doctrine of the Trinity, for example, isn't really spelled out until Tertullian (AD 200ish), and it was controversial at the time. So once we have noticed these facts, what are we supposed to think about them? "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use." --- Galileo

[@Roguescout7]

Is no one going to address the fact that it's never mentioned that Jesus rebuked anybody claiming His Lordship?

[@jgoeg8922]

Lord vs God at that time were very different. Many many people were called lord.

[@Roguescout7]

@jgoeg8922 anything about being God in general, is what I mean.

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

Maybe because they didn't know how to CAPS or SHIFT yet? It's probable

[@vytah]

He did, although indirectly: Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. (Luke 18:19) My Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

[@jaromsmiss]

@@vytahLmao no he didn’t, this is such a weak argument

[@johannsomosa2323]

Hey Alex, how do you explain Luke 5:16-19? This verse records the Pharisees questioning Jesus about his authority to forgive sins. Jesus states, "Why do you question in your hearts? 23 Which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’? 24 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”-he said to the man who was paralyzed-“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed and go home." Given the context of Hebrew and Jewish title of Son of Man, and of the philosophical idea of authority, is it not consistent to state that Jesus is claiming to be God?

[@dogzdigital]

Great conversation. I always appreciate thoughtful conversation that takes a logical and thoughtful approach and not blind obedience to tradition.

[@joewhite4357]

They lie in the conversation though because Jesus claims to be son of the blessed one in Mark (the first gospel) so I don’t know what Alex and this guy are on about here. Mark 14: 60-62. Believe what you will but they lied here

[@bbb11110]

What's the logic behind saying such a shameful, disgracefull LIE? The Bible clarly mentions dozens of times when Jesus said HE IS GOD. (Ex John 14: 6-11). Maybe the Satan in this guy didn't let him read those parts...means all the Bible. How would this person teach his children not to lie when he lies as he breathes. Such a disgrace

[@dogzdigital]

@@bbb11110 I don't know which version of the Bible you are reading but Jesus does not say he is God in the Verses you mentioned.

[@bbb11110]

@@dogzdigital Any version

[@Iman-b6p]

When Jesus was supposedly crucified, who resurrected him? Who gave him life after death?

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Death is the consequence of sin. He has not sin, the laws of death do not apply to him.

[@Iman-b6p]

@@bonbondurjdr6553 if he did not die then there was no resurrection.

[@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim]

Read the Gospel of John, Jesus says l take my life and raise it up again!!!! ​@@Iman-b6p

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is just no curing you fcuk-the-commandments anthropomorphic idolaters of your idolatry is there? You cling onto your wretched totem fetish, image or idol like grim death, don’t you?

[@adrianquinonez6667]

Christ Himself did He said i have the power to lay down my Life and the power to raise it up again.

[@ericbrown4681]

Companies really need to start charging more money for mics.

[@kingn8link]

😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@kingn8link God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Isaiah 48:16 (NKJV) "Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me."

[@ANewCreation408]

How many time did in the book of John did Jesus refer to as the "I Am" - the same I AM in the burning bush that came to Moses.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@Nahin-iy4cy]

And they follow nothing but assumptions ~Quran

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@bennieboi99 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Nahin-iy4cy In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@TheRealCSD6]

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord, and my God," and Jesus replied "Now you believe? Blessed are those who believe without seeing." If he wasn't God he would have said not to call Him that. He refers to Himself as the 'I AM' multiple times which led to the jews to wanting to stone him all the time. Multiple times it's said his followers worshipped him and Jesus never stops them. And he claims oneness with God multiple times. This argument that he wasn't atleast implying that he's God is ridiculous.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Daniel_Deen]

What about the God that jesus prayed to? If we repent to God (the spirit) who jesus prayed to, do you think jesus will condem you for that? The father is greater than man right? It was God the spirit that brought jesus back after 3 days. In my opinion, you cant go wrong when you worship God in spirit and not the man. Im on a spiritual journey and asking as many questions as i can on subjects im not familiar with. ​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Actually God as the Holy Spirit helps you repent and pray and guides you to Jesus. Jesus is the one who reconciles us with the Father.

[@Daniel_Deen]

@@TheRealCSD6 why does he guide you to Jesus?

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Because that was what Jesus said The Spirit was being sent for. Jesus was the one who was sacrificed and died for our sins. He said no one comes to father except through Him and He is the way, the truth, and the life. The Holy Spirit is God like the Father and the Son but each has a different role in your salvation. One cannot truly live by the Holy Spirit if one denies the Father or the Son and vice versa. For example one can say they have Jesus as their lord but if they reject the Holy Spirit then they are committing a sin. And if one Rejects Jesus then he says they reject thr Father as well.

[@tedarcher9120]

More interesting question is did he claim to be the son of Man?

[@Spinozasghost]

Even then, no one in the Old Testament given that title was thought to be God incarnate. Possessing a level of divinity or divine status is not comparable to being the divine incarnate.

[@tedarcher9120]

@@Spinozasghost yes, but did Jesus think that he was prophesying for someone else or for himself?

[@electrical_cord]

I'd read Daniel 7:13-14, then parallel that with Mark 14:62, John 3:13, Luke 5:24; 19:1-10, and Mark 10:45. Jesus was the Son of Man described in Daniel 7 as stated in the first verse in Mark. So interpret that as you will, but it's quite obvious Jesus was the son of Man.

[@diegog1853]

@@tedarcher9120 I think maybe you are already assigning some meaning to the phrase "son of Man", as if it has some apparent grand meanining. But it doesn't have to be. I can say, I am the son of Man, as if, I am the son of Mankind, I am the consequence of mankind before me. I mean "son of man" is mentioned in the old testament and not necessarily as meaning anything spectacular. God called ezechiel son of man multiple times. It could very well be just a poetic way of saying "man". Sure maybe with the "the" particle it could mean something more important, but when you get to so specific parts of language, you have to check the original quote in aramaic. Not the greek translation of a second or third hand witness account. I am just saying that... even if he did, it doesn't necessarily mean he was putting himself as something special.

[@J42337]

​@@SpinozasghostArgument ad populum? Listen, whether people knew exactly who the son of man was (specifically the son of man shown in the vision to Daniel).. It was clear that he was to be a king with divine origins who sits at the right hand of the "Ancient of Days" which is universally understood to be God based on the previous verses of Daniel 7. Christ confirms that he is that son of man in several places in the synoptics, but most notably when he says that he will come in the clouds of heaven and will sit at the right hand of power (dynameōs)(indicating a supernatural power, not a natural one). So whether Christ claimed to be God...or he claimed to be the son of Man... He is not claiming to be a merely human preacher who will die for blasphemy and remain in the grave. He is claiming to be Lord over all of God's creation. At that point, the question shouldn't be "Did Jesus claim to be God" it should be: who is God and who is the son of Man? A thorough searching of the Tanakh with respect to The Angel of the LORD should easily reveal this and it is almost completely parallel with general trinitarian doctrine. I would also add that multiplicity in the Godhead is not a Christian invention. This was a common point of Jewish theology known as "the two powers in heaven" until it was declared a heresy following Yeshua's disciples preaching his resurrection and Lordship.

[@neonullifier436]

Some people just be talking, it's in the bible Jesus claims to be God and be one with him and of him and from a holier place many times in john, mark and more. And speaks on how he has right to judge. John: 7:23-28. read the bible

[@SmalltimR]

Jesus never claimed to be GOD - ever GOD has no GOD, obeys no one, worships no one, has no equal That said, all of Jesus' authority and power, was given to Him by His GOD and Father

[@pedroappa7]

It's a very simple question to me. Jesus doesn't say "I am God" with this exact words because He is the Son of God and He wants the people to differentiate them. They have the same divine essence, but the Son in fact came in a role of obedience to save all the people and reconnect them to God the Father. Jesus in fact made several claims that He is God, having the same essence of Him, but He did that in a manner that people would believe in his divine essence but differentiate, because they are two different people with different roles. He was made of flesh, bones and blood after all, He was human and God the Father is not human. In many passages of Matthew, one of the books that Bart mentioned that He doesn't claims, He accepts worship, says about His authority in heaven and earth, promise to be continually present, puts himself in the same level of God and the Holy Spirit, Walks on water and more. The only question I ask everyone is this: Could He who is only a prophet do all this?

[@SmalltimR]

Nowhere is it written that Jesus has the same essence as His own GOD and Father - revealing suyh claims to be that of human fabrications That said, and quite obviously, Jesus does not have equality with His own GOD and Father, as He has a source and cause, and in contrast with His Father, who is without source and cause. That is why there is only one will being done in creation, and that is the the will and creation of Jesus' own GOD and Father alone. - follow Jesus, not men!

[@rugbyslug]

It seems like God could have just saved everyone and connected them to him without the whole Jesus ordeal. If he's all powerful, why put everyone through the drama?

[@RhondaFranklin-s1b]

Why do people even have a question? The word FATHER indicates a superior position over a Son. Why make it like it’s complicated.

[@p13579a]

correct but they are both the same kind. Just like an ordinary father and son are both fully human. You are arguing that Jesus was fully God and I agree with you.

[@DefenestrateYourself]

Jesus said he’s king of the Jews, not god

[@antonyvibe]

As if Revelation 22:13 is not enough "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

[@savepalestiniansnow]

Wrong doctrine 😅

[@diegobroad2851]

Of the earth

[@dhe777]

Jesus made several statements that are interpreted as claims to divinity. For example, in John 8:58, Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am." This statement uses the same name God revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14 ("I AM WHO I AM"), which led many to believe Jesus was claiming to be God.

[@ASeekerOfLife-k6o]

The gospels call him "Lord". In the septuagint (that the synoptic gospel authors are using as source material), Yahweh is translated as Lord (Kyrios). That is a word consistently used throughout the septuagint to refer to God and only God. Therefore, when they write "Jesus is Lord" all over the place, they are saying he is Yahweh or God.

[@Aws1962]

There is no word Yehweh (YHWH) in any of the 27 books in the NT. Jesus and his disciples were jews and they spoke Aramaic. Neither Jesus nor his disciples could have conversed in a foreign language, Greek and we don't know how they address Jesus and God in Aramaic.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Aws1962]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You don't need to read whole bible to findout that the bible books are contradicting each other. For instance Exodus 6:4 says God is known to Abraham, Issac and Jacob as El-Shadai (Almighty). God did not reveal them as Yehweh. But in Genesis (22:14) says Abraham namer the mountain as Yehweh -Yirah. How Abraham knew the word Yehweh before God reveal him as Yehweh?

[@weavehole]

The channel name may have changed to Alex O Connor but you'll always be Genetically Modified Skeptic to me.

[@keksteig387]

Lol. On a side note: Alex > Drew for me. Drew has this smarmy 🤓 energy that I can't dig

[@OldMotherLogo]

Alex was not Genetically Modified Skeptic, he was Cosmic Skeptic. GMS is Drew.

[@SinbadAkina]

​@keksteig387 I prefer cosmic too but that doesn't mean to say genetically doesn't offer a lot of good things he does got something about gum though you ain't lying

[@keksteig387]

@@OldMotherLogo the joke your head

[@ShowMeYoBoob]

he shouldnt change his name. CosmicSkeptic can attract new people to the channel, while Alex O Connor not so much as it doesn't give any context

[@GLeee14]

"Before Abraham was, I am" "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men" "I am the Good Sheperd" Jesus states He is God, not verbatim, but with basic reading comprehension. "My Lord, My God" Jesus affirming that He is God. "I and the Father are one" Jesus verbatim states that He is God.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@nuttybloc4321]

Gentile confounded

[@peeledbanana311]

Yeah I was about to quote the, "Before Abraham was, I am". He was obviously claiming to be eternal in that moment. No I'm not a Christian, just a fact that Jesus for sure claimed it.

[@Cats13]

Husband and wife are as one yet not the same

[@talhahabdullah8980]

​@@peeledbanana311well Lucifer demon Fallen angels also can claim this.

[@J05EM1GUEL]

I think it would be so interesting to have a similar conversation with a Mormon scholar, because Mormon Theology and Cosmology has some twists and turns that would allow for some of these anomalies to make sense. For example the concepts of divine investiture, mormon polytheism in which the Godhood is not a Trinity but a Triumvirate, and in which Jesus is Jehovah. In that context, it places El as the head of the Caananite pantheon and YHWH as a divine son of a god. A pantheon in which Yeshua is the incarnation of Elohim’s son, Yahweh. The Bull and the Ram, Taurus and Aries.

[@Darit-zk4pl]

Your dedication to studying the Bible with thoughtfulness and logic is admirable. I suggest you further this journey by delving into the Quran. There, you'll discover intriguing chapters about Mary and Jesus, especially where Jesus explains his teachings on worship. Such study could broaden your perspective and deepen your understanding. Remember to approach this exploration with an open and humble heart. In seeking truth, guidance is invaluable. Should you choose not to engage with the Quran, it's important to reflect on the broader implications of rejecting different perspectives, much like some historical instances where new teachings were dismissed. May God, or Allah as He is known in Islam, guide us all towards the right path. Amin.

[@Junaid_277]

Trinity is the basic of Christianity, he is denying it.

[@simonskinner1450]

When Jesus forgave or did miracles it was not a witness to himself, it was not he, it was God who entered in him by the Holy Spirit. The same happened to the apostles.

[@sulongenjop7436]

So good, God's spirit possesses a man and can do what God can do!!!😂

[@simonskinner1450]

@@sulongenjop7436 Well the amount of Spirit we have is only enough for communion, Jesus and the apostles were fully possessed. Although there seems to be a congregational Spirit enough to heal.

[@sulongenjop7436]

@@simonskinner1450 The spirit gives divine power to man so a man is not God. If God entered Jesus as Spirit, Jesus is still a man like you and me. God created Adam with a soul and God gave him the spirit so Adam can have the spiritual/divine power of God, however, Adam is still a man like us.

[@simonskinner1450]

@@sulongenjop7436 Indeed Jesus necessarily was a man so that he could be the Messiah. Jesus was the only prophet who qualified with Deuteronomy 18:18. He was born in the line of Abraham and David. My latest Ytube video in the series 'Myths in so-called Christianity', deals with John 3:13 which is not Jesus coming down from heaven.

[@buztur1064]

moses spliting the sea means what the? is he also God? Miracles doesn't make you God. It was done by the power of God.

[@HowardHolloman]

God, who created everything, raised the dead, parted a sea, healed lepors, wasn't able to say the words, "I am God, and you are to worship Me." Make it make sense.

[@awecballwin77]

Because the word God didn’t exist then. God introduced himself in genesis “I am who I am” God is “to be, to be” forget the word god. You are trying to categorize something that is beyond space and time. Your question you’re looking for an answer for doesn’t exist. Don’t think of the word god and a category. God is “to be.” When you understand that. You will see the answer to your question is all throughout the Bible

[@avibhagan]

you are suffering from a bad translation , he never said that.

[@avibhagan]

@HalleluYAH7 revelations is the words of John , to the Asians: To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father-to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. 7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”[b] and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c] So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father - Jesuss clearly says that he frres us to serve HIS FATHER, HIS GOD. When Jesus says " “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God ", he is clearly speaking for his Father, and His God. Jesus was not saying that HE is God. And this is the words of Jesus, according to John. So no Jesus did not claim to be God in Revalation 1;8 , Jeusu was CLEARLY saying that , the lord god, his father (Jesus's father, and Jesus's god) said : " I am the Alpha and the Omega"

[@__sw__1]

​@HalleluYAH7notice how all the verses come from John The same exact gospel writer that pushed a burdening tradition of father and son unlike the first three gospels

[@Amin-y6v2r]

The word God was used by Jesus himself in John 17 3" this is eternal life that they may know you the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom YOU SENT"​@@awecballwin77

[@kathyern861]

God said you shall not bow down to anyone except Him, "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord" - even Bart Ehrman's knee shall bow down before the Lord Jesus.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 10:26-28 (NKJV) 26_But you do not believe, because you are NOT of MY SHEEP, as I said to you. 27_MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I KNOW THEM, and THEY FOLLOW ME. 28_And I GIVE them ETERNAL LIFE, and they SHALL NEVER PERISH; neither shall anyone snatch them out of MY HAND.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Matthew 28:18 (NKJV) And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to ME in HEAVEN and on EARTH.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@vhawk1951kl sorry for that if you feel abused. That wasn't my intention, I come from a country where we don't consider the use of cap letters as an abuse. Sorry for that!

[@fitness6681]

I’ve never understood Bart’s argument here. In Mathew it says, "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. Added to this The religious leaders of the time push for Jesus death continually accusing him of blasphemy. They hate him healing on a Sabbath but Jesus makes it clear he has the right as He is Lord of the Sabbath. He makes the same claim in Mark 14. Then read about John the Baptist’s response to Jesus. He was preparing the way for him. I just don’t get this argument

[@Engy-vz7fp]

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[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@GolfnMoreclips]

Just truthful scriptural understanding. In the (9 ch) The prophet Isaiah writes prophetically concerning the Messianic Kingdom and its King, THAT* Almighty God Yahweh Annionted.. 💯 This Yeshua Hamashiach. Where he is mentioned as a [ "Mighty God"..Or "Mighty One" (hebrew Strong's 410 ) Reference verse -Psalm 45:3] and also "Prince of Peace" -Almighty God is NO one's SERVANT, OR PRINCE, EVER.... 💯 The IMPORTANT PART....Without the very NEXT verse, THIS IS taken out of context.. (Isaiah 9:7b) -The zeal of "Yahweh of Armies will perform this."] 💯 Almighty God Yahweh Will do this for his servant the Son. 💯 (Acts 3:13) NKJV [The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified* His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go] (The Glorified Christ, IS Yahweh's beloved servant) 💯 If you have learned the Bible from the churches of Christiandom ✝️ (false Christianity) you NEED to start reading the CONTEXT before and after the verse you are going to quote trying to prop up paganism the Polytheism of the Trinity Doctrine. ( Triune deities). The truth is simple. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people

[@9hoot789]

@@GolfnMoreclips Praying for you ❤

[@GolfnMoreclips]

@9hoot789 I mean, thanks. But do you agree with all the truth found in my comments? If not, what scripture from God's Word do you reject? Thanks for your honesty and concise responses in advance. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah, you people.

[@matthewlockhart6159]

"I am" is a statement of identity and is often translated "I am he", "I am the man", "it is I" in the NT. Saying _ego eimi_ isn't a claim to be God, as the blind man said it too (John 9:9). In context, Jesus was saying Abraham foresaw the Day of Christ and was glad and declared "Before Abraham was, I am he (who Abraham saw)." Of course because Jesus 'existed' as part of God's plan for redemption (not literally existed, until he was born).

[@SmalltimR]

As He was in heaven prior-to earth, it would make perfect sense that Jesus was claiming to have been in existence at the time Abraham was alive on earth - hens, the conversation, in-that they were asking Him if he was 'greater' than their forefather, and moreso, where Jesus' claim was in-effect claiming to be just that, as GOD's firstborn son, of whom we read, would be established(on a throne) by GOD from eternity past. And so the problem you see, is that people tend to come into such topics with preconceived views or beliefs, that would otherwise govern their interpretations, though it isn't until we approach matters with an open heart and open mind, that we find all of the pieces fitting together perfectly - that is to say, that Jesus is, was, and always will be, GOD's firstborn son, and who was with GOD prior-to the beginning of creation, and who is now leading GOD's fallen children back to where they belong.

[@matthewlockhart6159]

@@SmalltimR Except he didn't. He 'existed' in the 'mind' of God, as the solution to man's eventual fall (and need for redemption), but let's not forget the fact that historical figure of Jesus of Nazareth was physically born out of a woman's womb at a point in time (~2,000 years ago). Just as "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" does not mean literally mean Jesus was executed prior to human history lol, so too does "Before Abraham was, I am (he)". Jesus was talking about being the one whom Abraham foresaw, as his coming day was God's plan. Of course the Jews misunderstood him. Even a member of the Sanhedrin thought 'born again' meant reentering a woman's womb lol.

[@smalltimer4370]

​@@matthewlockhart6159 As there is no such thing as Jesus existing in the mind of GOD written anywhere in scripture - such claims, prove to be the product of human imaginations rather than written truth. Likewise, the claim that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, also proves to be problematic, and as this proves to be a translation issue rather than a contextual one, as we find the parent texts do not convey such a thing, here again, revealing man-made beliefs rather than written truth - and moreso, that the moment we approach matters with an open heart and mind, that of the pieces come together perfectly, and without the for adding or removing anything to the texts. NB, you should really consider testifying to the truth without manmade doctrines and beliefs, as we are warned against such things, and where the truth will always prove itself by way of GOD's written word, rather than men

[@matthewlockhart6159]

@@smalltimer4370 False. The universe itself is a product of God’s ‘Logos’ (meaning reason, plan, word). Similar to how one, who wants a kid, imagines and plans out what they’ll be like before they’re born. Only once the kid is born does that plan “become flesh” (comes to fruition). The Logos, as Philo said, is “neither uncreated as God, nor yet created as you (humans)” but rather “a hostage, as it were, to both sides.” Paul, another Hellenistic Jew, echoes this in 1 Timothy 2:5, saying “There is one God and one mediator between God and men: the man Christ Jesus.” Notice he does NOT call him “the God-man” or some such trinitarian nonsense. Paul makes a clear distinction between God and Jesus, especially in Ephesians 4:6, where he rightly declares “One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in ALL.” The same cannot be said of Jesus.

[@SmalltimR]

@@matthewlockhart6159 What is false exactly? It would appear that you are now appealing to a straw-man to the reality that there is no such thing as Jesus existing in His Father's mind in scripture. As for the logos being anything other than an abstract for GOD's spoken word carried-out in agency, your proposed explanation outlines the detriment that comes by adding and removing to scripture, and at the cost of the simplicity of the truth - that is to say, that this always leads us away from the simple truth, rather than gaining clarity. NB, I think it's important to outline that we are in agreement that Jesus is neither equal-to nor GOD Himself, and moreso, that the truth cannot come as a reflex to false teachings, but moreso, that it must stands on it's own, without the addition or removal of anything. And moreso, that Jesus' existence prior-to earth is never defined as a figment of GOD's imagination, but rather, that His presence in heaven prior-to earth, is defined in the form(outward shape) of GOD, and who was then revered for exercising obedience(ie, action), by 'not seeking' equality with GOD, while in said form - see That is why we find Jesus identified before all things, and that all things were made through(or by) Him - here again, not as a figment of GOD's imagination, quite rather, that He is described as a worker at His Father's side, carrying-out His Father will accordingly. And thus, we read, that when Jesus returned to heaven, and after saying He would return to where He was before, would not prove to be a figment of GOD's imagination, but very literally, to take His place at His Father's side - that is to say, by once again, receiving the glory that He shared with His Father before the world existed, and thus, prior-to being born a man on earth. And so, in-spite of the efforts made to avoid the complete lack of scriptures identifying Jesus in His Father mind, or that such a view proves to be entirely based on the word of men, the fact remains that this is not accordance with GOD's word at all, but a product of human imaginations at work - see - think about it, and more importantly, pray about it.

[@zebra301]

4:08 "it'd be a mistake to say that he was covering it up so that they wouldn't kill him because he isn't crucified for claiming divinity" ... 14:55 "he would have been stoned to death (if he claimed divinity)." how didn't alex catch this contradiction?

[@Stabsdagoblin]

Note the difference in execution between stoning and crucifixion. But even ignoring that it's still not a contradiction. None of the accounts of Jesus's Death say it was because of him claiming divinity. This is a solid indicator the Roman's did not believe he was claiming divinity as otherwise they would have killed him for that specifically. They wouldn't wait for some other reason.

[@andrewbryce2707]

The idea that God could be killed is totally ridiculous. All powerful God nailed to a cross and humiliated. I went to a CoE school and since I was 13 I was questioning the trinity and contradictions I was seeing in the bible. Nobody could give me a clear answer and was the reason I could never accept the Christianity faith.

[@voxpopuli8132]

1) In The Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen, also known as the Parable of the Bad Tenants, Jesus very clearly refers to himself as the Son of God. 2) Also, when he said: "Before Abraham was, I am" - they grabbed stones to stone him, for the punishment of Blasphemy. 3) He admitted to the question of Caiaphas: Tell us, are you the Christ, the Son of God?” Jesus answered, “Yes, I am." So, YES, Jesus DID claim he is God.

[@johnzuma4688]

Alex is not interested in any contradictions or beliefs Ehrman holds.

[@johnzuma4688]

@@Stabsdagoblin The difference is that stoning could be done by the Jews and crucifixion only by the Romans. And the Romans could not have cared if someone called himself God, that is why the Jesus leadership changed the reason for getting Jesus executed from blasphemy to being the king of the Jews. We read in Mark 14:61-64 English Standard Version >> 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.

[@dastanabilev]

Alex talking about theology while holding his cup of tea is so british. Love the series, Alex!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Would it still be whatever you mean by 'British' if the cup were empty or contained juice, gin, or beer?If you really wish to annoy an Englishman, tell him he is 'British'

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@a.b.b35]

@@vhawk1951kl O'Connor sounds very english to me

[@nomos6508]

as a jew myself, i've read the torah and the tanakh. I can guaratee you that Ehrman is right: it's impossible for a jew to say or even think that he is god. from jewish perspective, it malkes absolutely no sense. Jesus couldn't have said that. But Jesus had a beautiful message

[@_ben_miller]

jesus didn't claim to be "god". he claimed to be the Son of Man, who, according to daniel exists around the Ancient of Days and has an eternal kingdom. what Jesus claims to be is infinitely more significant than what humans call "god", a mere object of worship.

[@YITSOG]

if he didn't claim to be God, then why was he crucified?

[@SmalltimR]

For claiming to be the son of GOD and prophesied Messiah

[@YITSOG]

@SmalltimR Amen! Jesus is Lord!

[@LukasBarcz]

I encourage everyone--especially atheists--to read the synoptic gospels just so you can realise how ridiculous a claim this man is making. It is especially damaging to atheist talking points as it is probably the easiest false claim to knock down. Jesus does claim to be God multiple times in the synoptic gospels. Two straightforward examples are: Matthew 16:16 -- You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Mark -- I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. (Note that "I am" is the most direct claim to Godship in the bible as it is how Yahweh identifies. Even so, the claim only works because Bart ignores the rest of the New Testament. St. Paul's letters for instant predate all the gospels yet they all claim that Jesus is God. Titus 2:13 -- waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Philippians 2:6 -- Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage. His argument that John comes after the synoptic gospels and therefore is invalidated is absurd. By the same logic those very same gospels would be invalidated by the fact that St. Paul's letters predate them. St. Paul's letters claim that Jesus is God.

[@LukasBarcz]

I can only assume Bart Ehrman's hatred for Christianity has led him to make such absurd claims. The fact that he's selling a course on the subject also leads me to believe he's being deliberately obtuse for nefarious reasons. Please--as a message to Christians and atheists alike--don't take the words and lectures of anyone as fact when you can read the sources for yourselves.

[@alexanderfloyd5099]

Most atheists were once Christians. Unlike most Christians they actually read the Bible. That’s a common way for a Christian to become an atheist. Ehrman’s claims really aren’t too different than the traditional Christian point of view. If the Bible said Jesus was god then the Council of Nicaea wouldn’t have been needed to proclaim Jesus god. That’s 300 years into Christianity.

[@EnglishMike]

In Matthew 16, at best, Jesus agrees with Peter's statement that he is "the Messiah, the Son of the living God". He does not outright say he's God incarnate. Bart's thesis is that believing he was the Messiah or the Son of Man, or the Son of God is not the same as Jesus (or his followers) believing he was God himself, in the flesh. He claims that was a later development as the faith evolved over the first few decades. He might be wrong, but it's certainly not as ridiculous as you claim if you don't look at it through Christian eyes.

[@EnglishMike]

@@LukasBarcz If there's one thing I know about Bart Ehrman having read a couple of his books and watched a bunch of his lectures and debates, it's that he doesn't hate Christianity or Christians. Far from it, in fact. The fact that you would slander him in this way shows that you are too blinded by you faith to think straight, or perhaps it is you who has the nefarious intent to deliberately denigrate the character of someone just because he dares to have a different opinion of what happened two thousand years ago. Having been a New Testament scholar for four decades, he clearly knows far more about the New Testament that you will ever know. If this is how you behave as a Christian, then why should anyone take your comments seriously?

[@LukasBarcz]

@@alexanderfloyd5099 I disagree with the line of argument that the Council of Nicea wouldn't have needed to proclaim Jesus God. To this day different sects are made constantly which reject the idea that Jesus is God. It is a constant struggle which needs constant affirmation. However both St. Peter and St. Paul believed Jesus was God as made evident in their letters. St. Peter especially is the authority as he was placed in charge by Christ after his death. The "traditional Christian point of view" was St. Peter's view. Gnostics and such arose too but they go directly against scripture. Heresy has always and will always be a problem in the church. The point I was making is that Jesus did claim to be God according to the scriptures, the testimonies of St. Peter and St. Paul, and the early church fathers.

[@charlesrae3793]

The other option is that even if he did say " I am the way the life and the truth", this could be the equivalent of Al-Hallaj the Sufi saying " Ana Al-Haqq", in other words he perceived himself to be in communion with God. Similar comments have been made throughout Christian history as can be shown from quotations from Evelyn Underhill's classic work on mysticism. Incidentally, this was Florence Nightingale's understanding of such verses.

[@alhernandezsantana212]

Very strong point. Thank you

[@ShadowFungus]

John 10:30 “i and my father are one”

[@lebronbrady6638]

“Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am'” (John 8:58)

[@fadeitluie9356]

14:30 😂😂😂😂😂 they did KILL him, they held a trial with the romans cause they knew it was illegal to just kill him

[@MrTemplerage]

"Restore to me the glory that I had with you before the world was." "I and the Father are one." John 17:5 and John 10:30

[@robinsajani8763]

Correct me if i am wrong in any of what i say. At 9.12, Alex says Jesus sent the disciples in his name before his ascension. That's in John, but they are explicitly referring to the synoptics, so this doesn't make sense. Besides that, Jesus calls them to forgive others the same way he does on the sermon on the mount, so there isn't that same level of authority given to forgive sins, thus not giving them divine status. In Matthew 26:64-66, as many people refer to, the priests tore their robes off at his blasphemy. I couldn't find any other meaning of blasphemy, both greek and english, that didn't refer to misuse of language when coming to God. The 1st century Sanhedrin knew exactly what that meant (he did not deny the title 'Son of God' rather He said they were right in saying this) and so accused him of this. To refer to why he was killed, Bart I'm sure is right. His plaque by the cross read 'King of the Jews'. But the Jews who did not believe in Jesus twisted it to make it sound like He was claiming to be above Caesar, which resulted in death. The Jews still knew exactly what He claimed to be and wanted him dead for that, but couldn't charge him legally (again not 100% sure). Finally, if Jesus was not God, his sacrifice means nothing for the forgivness of sins. If Jesus was a man highly inspired by God (yet still only a man), this means that there was a way to live free of sin. Jesus came because, as Paul said, "All have fallen short" and "the wages of sin is death". Therefore humans simply cannot live the life we are expected, but Jesus came - fully God and fully human - to live a perfect life we cannot attain, and produce a better covanent as Hebrews talks of. Thus before God we stand pure and clean because of Jesus' death and resurrection, and whoever would believe this may have eternal life.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@SIFAMANGANI]

Name the verse where Jesus is claiming to be God

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@SIFAMANGANI There are many, here is one When God met Moses in the burning bush He referred to Himself as I AM. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There you go Jesus called Himself God right there and the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God

[@jamesregli4754]

Bart’s Jesus be pulling the ol’ “I’m not saying I’m God, but have you ever seen God and Me in the same room together?” Within the synoptic’s Jesus regularly was accused of claiming to be God without refuting his accusers. He did actions not only the fulfill messianic prophecies (as Matthew is keen at pointing out) but also actions only God can do (forgiving Sins, making new commandments, removing old commandments, declaring Himself to be the Temple aka God presence with His people. He is called Emmanuel (God with us). He is worshipped without rebuking the worshipper in contrast to Angels or prophets would do not receive worship and rebuke those who attempt to worship them. The case is so robust that to deny the Gospels implications of Jesus’s deity is like winning on a technicality.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Revelation 7:10 (NKJV) and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

[@vhawk1951kl]

Hmmm Revelation having been written by someone who was either very drunk or doing some very heavy drugs indeed.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

As per my information the earliest copies of the New Testament say "before Abraham, I am", later ones say " before Abraham was, I am" and modern day bibles say "before Abraham was born, I am"; thus showing how the Christians have tried to make the Bible say what they want said instead of going by what the Bible says. To me "before" in the phrase " before Abraham, I am" doesn't mean as preceding Abraham chronologically but it means "in front of" meaning "I am just like Abraham" or his mirror image, ie meaning a monotheistic just like Abraham was, especially considering that in this passage Jesus was being accused of blasphemy and so was rejecting that accusation. What do you think ?

[@SmalltimR]

Actually, most all of the earliest English Bible translations rendered that passage 'before Abraham was, I existed' or '...I was alive'...

@SmalltimR when I wrote the earliest manuscripts or later ones I meant the manuscripts in Greek not English.

[@SmalltimR]

I would also agree with the proposed conclusion, that the words were likely intended for preeminance, in-that Jesus was greater than their forefather Abraham

@@SmalltimR yes but, Abraham and not Jesus is known as the Patriarch

[@SmalltimR]

Yes, and and Jesus is King of said Patriarch - thus driving the very point of the statement - that while Abraham was the father of Israel's faith(covenant and promise), that Jesus was therefore claiming superiority over Abraham on matters of authority as the prophesied Messiah and appointed King to the throne prepared for Him by His Father.

[@turquisestones]

I like it how they are focusing on such terms like "Son of Man", "Messiah", "Christ", but avoid specifically discussing the term "the Son of God" and mention it only in passing. No surprise because for Jewish people of those times anyone claiming to be "the Son of God" would automatically, thus, claim to be equal to God.

[@filipecosta3631]

I wouldnt rely any conclusion based on those jews acusations. Otherwise we should believe Jesus was a drunk, a sinner for violating the shabath, etc.

[@turquisestones]

@@filipecosta3631 It's not about how they perceived Him and not about whether their perception of Him was right or wrong. It's about what things they accused Him of doing. They didn't accuse Him of, say, travelling. However, they DID accuse Him of drinking with sinners, of breaking the sabbath and of calling Himself the Son of God, which means that all of those things were grave misdeeds in their understanding.

[@filipecosta3631]

@@turquisestones Jesus´s response in Jonh 10:34-36(quoting psalms 82:6) says a lot about what type of God he considered himself.

[@turquisestones]

@@filipecosta3631 Psalm 82:7 says a lot about what type of gods He meant, Mark 12:29 says a lot about how many types of God there are, and Matthew 22:43-44 says a lot about which of these two categories Jesus falls into.

[@filipecosta3631]

@@turquisestones Jesus used Psalms 82:6 because he is a god under the authority of the father, like the judges in Psalms.

[@johnrangi4830]

I could never figure out why people think anyone who is reasonable thinking would call themselves a god. Obviously if anybody did believe they were a god they would have to be cautious. Especially if they're going to say it out loud. people would consider it blasphemy. People would pick stones and be ready to kill him in that period of history. I believe some people would consider it to be justified by God in modern times, I have heard some Christian talking about how people could be stoned to death for blasphemy. that's one of the reasons I have always thought about it and asked why would he do that, but no one had a good answer or silenced me as a child. I didn't doubt that God exist when I was growing up because I was forced to believe otherwise I would receive a beating, We were slaves at their command. Why would anybody think that is a decent way of treating any human? Does that not sound like indoctrination, I think it's very similar. what do you think?

[@JP-sm4cs]

Buddy your trauma is really obscuring your thought process here

[@johnrangi4830]

@@JP-sm4cs how?

[@jacobalexander4167]

​@@johnrangi4830you really aren't thinking straight, maybe due to pasy experience or so, but I you suggesting we throw away all records of early fathers of the church and even the testimony of roman officials that weren't even Christians too just to buy what you're selling

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 I think there is nothing wrong with my critical thinking thank you. I noticed you are busy trying to hunt for excuses. Here's an idea don't pretend you know something about a person when you don't. My state of mind is my business and you don't have access to it so don't pretend you know anything because obviously you can't read someone else's mind.

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 perhaps you should stop relying on church fathers and worry about if there is any truth to what the Bible says in the first place. There is no point agreeing with a bunch of humans until evidence can be provided. No evidence no reason to believe.

[@omargaber3122]

38 Bible Reasons Why Jesus is Not God 1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6 2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 3- No one is “Good” including Jesus. Only GOD is” Good” (Luke 18:19 4- Jesus said he doesn’t know when the Hour will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32 5- Jesus said that” OUR God is One GOD (Mark 12:29 6- Jesus also said “My GOD and your GOD” (John 20:17 7- Jesus bowed his face down to the ground to GOD Almighty. (Matthew 26:39 8- Jesus was tempted by satan for 40 days (Mat1:4 9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40 10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19 11- No one can see God (1 John 4:20 12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12 13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11 14- God Declared Himself to be God, Jesus didn’t (Ezekiel 20:20 15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice Mark 1:38 16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13) 17- Jesus referred to himself as Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16 18- Jesus referred to himself as Prophet: Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40 19- Jesus referred to himself as Son of Man: Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27 20- Jesus referred to himself as a Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24 21- Jesus referred to himself as a Student: Matthew 10:24 22- Father is Greater than Jesus (John 14:28). How can someone be greater than God? 23- Jesus was taught by the Father (John 8:28) 24- Jesus can do nothing by himself (John 5:19, John 5:30) 25- Jesus does not even have his own doctrine (John 7:16) 26- Jesus ascended to his God (John 20:17) 27- According to Christians, Jesus died as recorded in Matthew 27:27-56 but Bible says that God is infinite Psalm 102:27-27 28- Jesus needed to Pray, Eat, Drink and Was Helped by Woman, as stated in Luke 8:1-3 but God in Bible is self-sufficient Psalm 50:12 29- The God remain the same in nature (Hebrews 1:12) 30- Jesus is the same human today, yesterday and forever (Hebrew 13:8) 31- Jesus could not saved anyone as he was even not able to save himself (Hebrews 5:1-8) 32- Jesus said he was sent to lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24) 33- God can not be born and perhaps form his own creation 34- Jesus never asked people to worship him 35- Jesus did not Teach Trinity 36- God is the essence of the worship. He is the object of worship. Had Jesus been God, he would have told people to worship him. Truly, he did the exact opposite as in Matthew 15:9 37- Jesus never call his followers Christians, Paul did 38- Jesus as a servant of God (Matthew 12:18)...

[@SmalltimR]

Most excellent - thanks!

[@sheldon2658]

Read the ahead n previous verses, get the context then bark

[@sheldon2658]

​@@SmalltimRread the ahead n previous scriptures, get the context then believe aishas fckers

[@The_Ark_Ministry]

Bart Ehrman’s claims overlook the multiple instances where Jesus clearly, if sometimes indirectly, claimed divinity in the Gospels. For example, in John 8:58, Jesus states, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” This phrase, “I AM” (Greek: Ego Eimi), directly echoes God’s self-revelation in Exodus 3:14: “I AM WHO I AM.” Jesus’ Jewish audience immediately understood this as a claim to divinity because they picked up stones to kill Him for blasphemy. Their reaction shows they recognized His statement as a divine claim, underscoring that Jesus was not using ambiguous language but was making a clear claim to be God. If Jesus was not claiming the divine name, why did His Jewish opponents try to stone Him immediately afterward? Wouldn’t they have ignored a mere teacher’s words rather than responding with accusations of blasphemy? How do you account for the repeated “I am” statements in John that align Jesus with qualities attributed to God-such as “I am the bread of life” and “I am the light of the world”? Isn’t this an intentional claim to the same name God uses, which His audience understood as a direct assertion of divinity? Another instance is found in Mark 2:5-7, where Jesus forgives the sins of a paralytic. The scribes react by saying, “Who can forgive sins but God alone?” Jesus does not correct them; instead, He affirms His authority by healing the man, thereby confirming His divine right to forgive sins. This was not merely a prophet’s authority; it was a claim to a uniquely divine prerogative, as forgiving sins was seen as something only God could do. If only God can forgive sins, why does Jesus declare forgiveness independently of the temple, sacrifices, or priestly rituals? Isn’t it significant that He bypasses the traditional Jewish system, indicating He possesses direct authority like God? If Jesus forgiving sins in Mark 2 isn’t a divine claim, why do the religious leaders accuse Him of blasphemy-something punishable by death? Wouldn't they have dismissed Him as another prophet rather than a blasphemer? Ehrman downplays the significance of the titles Jesus uses in the synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke). Titles like “Son of Man,” which Jesus often used to describe Himself, carry profound theological weight. In Daniel 7:13-14, the “Son of Man” is depicted as a divine figure with God’s authority and power, establishing an everlasting kingdom. By using this title, Jesus identified Himself with a figure understood to be both divine and messianic. This claim wasn’t added later; it aligns with the understanding of Jesus’ divinity in the synoptic Gospels and Paul’s letters. How would you explain Jesus referencing Daniel 7’s “Son of Man,” who is given eternal dominion and authority by God, while simultaneously identifying Himself with that figure? Isn’t this an undeniable claim of divine status? If Jesus wasn’t claiming divinity, why does the high priest in Matthew 26 tear his robes and accuse Him of blasphemy for affirming He is the “Son of Man” who will come on the clouds? Wouldn't this reaction seem overblown if Jesus was merely calling Himself a human prophet? Moreover, when asked directly if He was the Christ, the Son of God, Jesus affirms it and speaks of Himself as seated at the “right hand of Power” (Matthew 26:63-64, Mark 14:61-62). The high priest’s reaction-tearing his robes-shows that he understood Jesus’ response as a divine claim. Jesus was not vague; He identified Himself with the divine figure from Daniel 7, reinforcing His identity as God. In Matthew 12:8, Jesus says, “I am the Lord of the Sabbath.” By claiming to be “Lord of the Sabbath,” Jesus assumes a role reserved for God. The Sabbath was established by God, and the statement implies an authority over it that only the Creator could claim. Since the Sabbath was established by God as a covenant with Israel, what human could justly claim lordship over it? Isn’t Jesus, by claiming to be “Lord of the Sabbath,” implying a status equal to the One who created it? Ehrman suggests that because John’s Gospel was written later, it is the only one that explicitly portrays Jesus claiming divinity. But dismissing John’s account on the basis of its later composition overlooks its coherence with earlier traditions. John emphasizes Jesus’ divinity more explicitly, but this doesn’t contradict the synoptic Gospels; it complements them by highlighting themes that are implicitly present there as well. Given that Paul’s letters predate John and affirm Jesus’ divinity, how can it be argued that belief in Jesus’ divinity was a late addition? If Paul recognized Jesus’ divine nature, doesn’t this suggest that His followers believed in His divinity from the beginning? How would you interpret Philippians 2:6, which says that Jesus, “being in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped”? Doesn’t this verse confirm that early Christians viewed Jesus as inherently divine, even before the Gospel of John was written? If the belief in Jesus’ divinity were a gradual development, why do we see explicit statements of His divine nature in early Christian writings like Philippians 2 and Colossians 2? John’s Gospel reflects the firsthand experiences of Jesus’ disciples, and the early church widely accepted it as written by one of Jesus’ closest followers. The unified message across all four Gospels-emphasizing Jesus’ unique authority, divine identity, and mission-offers a compelling cumulative case for His divinity. To claim otherwise is to ignore the harmony among the Gospels and the complementary perspectives they provide. Ehrman’s argument is largely one from silence-he assumes that because explicit statements like those in John do not appear identically in the synoptics, they must have been a later invention. However, the absence of direct language does not imply absence of belief. The synoptic Gospels contain numerous indirect claims and actions that imply divinity, as already noted. Ehrman’s claim downplays evidence in the synoptics while focusing narrowly on John. But the Gospels were written as part of a coherent narrative; their agreement on key elements, like Jesus’ divine authority and the worship He received, provides a consistent picture of Jesus’ identity. Jewish expectations for the Messiah were complex; many Jews expected a political deliverer, not a divine Savior. Jesus often communicated His identity through actions and indirect statements to challenge these preconceptions gradually. If Jesus had openly claimed to be God in a straightforward way, it would likely have led to premature opposition and hindered His mission. Instead, He revealed His identity progressively, allowing His followers to come to a fuller understanding over time. Peter’s confession of Jesus as the “Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16) shows that this understanding did develop among His followers. If Jesus never claimed to be God, why did His closest followers-those who lived, ate, and traveled with Him-so firmly proclaim His divinity, even at the cost of their lives? Could it be that their testimonies are trustworthy and that Jesus’ words, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30), were indeed a revelation of His true nature? If Jesus truly performed miracles, forgave sins, received worship, and identified Himself with divine authority, could it be that He was indeed revealing His divinity in a way that would challenge and transform the world? Perhaps the real question is not whether Jesus claimed to be God, but whether we are willing to recognize the evidence of who He is.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@hullie7529]

To note, out of the six whole sources that according to him disagree with John, three are completely imaginary and theoretical. But I guess six is a bigger number than three and so more impressive.

[@elderyear]

I also thought that was just a tad unreasonable to include hypothetical sources along with known manuscripts. i still agree with Bart's overall point, but I don't think that particular version is quite right.

[@Jyyhjyyh]

Yeah he kinda counted Matthew and Luke twice there. But Q being a legit lost text seems probable so I'd say it's four sources

[@scambammer6102]

@@Jyyhjyyh or matt made up the sayings and luke copied him

[@Jyyhjyyh]

@@scambammer6102 Ok yeah that sounds reasonable too

[@Spiritof_76]

How big a number is zero, as in there are zero gods in existence?

[@SaadonAksah]

Cant believe how a statement could be interpreted and debated in so many ways 😂

[@jimmyk712]

And that right there is why there are so many denominations of Christianity.

[@0dteESmini]

@@jimmyk712 Satan and man are the reason their are so many denominations. God's perfect Word, if God truly exists and the Word is true, is not that hard to understand. It's been happening since the Israelites and before. spinning God's commandments or Words to their own god or will to enable them to live their own ways... or to impose on others

[@jimmyk712]

@@0dteESmini No, God is responsible for the plethora of denominations, sin and Satan. According to you he created everything with full knowledge of the outcome…so yeah, it’s all on the big G.

[@jimmyk712]

@@0dteESmini is there Bible God’s word?

[@0dteESmini]

@@jimmyk712 God is responsible for creating Angels (Lucifer) and mankind perfect in his image, but mankind and angels are not God themselves. with that perfection came the ability to separate from God and think we can do things better without Him. He did create everything and our ability to transgress from the law (sin) but we are not robots. His plan will still be fulfilled and it's on you to decide where you stand for eternity. Do you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit and live God's will... or is it in your best interest to disagree with your Creator and His plan for us? Just as we didn't decide to be born from our Mother, we do not have option to step away from this game board. You have to make a decision, God's way, or your way (under God's final rules).

[@violentshemp7776]

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

[@NashRespect]

Congrats, you get to be the top comment example of someone who didn't make it 90 seconds into the video!

[@violentshemp7776]

@@NashRespect didn't quite make it past genealogy, huh?

[@keksi6844]

He did not say My Lord and my God but My lord and my god. Learn difference between God and god.

[@billgreen576]

Jesus said....no one knows what Jesus said. Everything about Jesus is reportage but expounded by zealots as though they had actual recordings.

[@violentshemp7776]

@@keksi6844 did piltdown man tell you that?

[@_MomoM_]

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father, and we will be satisfied.” Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak are not my own, but my Father who lives in me does his work through me. Just believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or at least believe because of the work you have seen me do. John 14:8-11 NLT‬‬

[@smalltimer4370]

Good passage! As it turns out, Jesus revealed that He was living-proof on earth, of His GOD and Father who sent Him Taking note that it was not faith in Jesus that the Apostles were asking for, but moreso, for faith in His Father who sent Him - see; believe in GOD, believe 'also' in me

[@jobarryderafera6063]

It’s because his mission was to do the will of His Father and not his own. Being humble was one the great teachings of the gospel.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@_ben_miller]

that's not a teaching of the gospel. the gospel is defined in the bible as, "christ in you, the hope of glory"

[@grayintheuk8021]

Thanks Alex and Bart. Excellent video. :)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@grayintheuk8021]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Thanks for the bunch of claims. Do you have any good and sufficient evidence for these stories that you were once convinced were true please? Without that someone could quote the Quran or Vedas back at you with exactly the same authority. Happy to hear what you have.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@grayintheuk8021 Thanks grey for your open mindness God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@mrjugurtha4077]

Islam is right then

[@SmalltimR]

Right about what? The truth of matters, does not comes from radical thinking...

[@mrjugurtha4077]

@@SmalltimR it’s right about Jesus not being god

[@SmalltimR]

@@mrjugurtha4077 Yes on that point it is, though that would not the whole truth of matters either. The point in question being, that must be vigilant to avoid hasty generalizations based-on broad assumptions such as; Islam is right about Jesus not being GOD, therefore Islam is right about everything. As it is obvious that there are faiths Christian(and none) that deny Jesus is either equal-to or GOD Himself, and that this in itself does not make them any more reliable or true - ie, the Pharisees in Jesus' day, would also worship the one true GOD)(YHWH), and even to the point where GOD entrusted the LAW into their hands, though as it turns-out, and as Jesus outlined it, they would not prove to be reliable in their servitude in-spite of this, as He then went-on to rebuke them in public forums as children of the devil. Case and point, and while Islam may be right about one thing, it is also obvious that Islam is not right about many things when it comes to Jesus and the salvation provided through Him...

[@mrjugurtha4077]

@@SmalltimR l think Islam is a update from god

[@SmalltimR]

@@mrjugurtha4077 I don't think so - otherwise, it would be harmonious with Jesus' arrival rather than controversial.