Jesus Never Claimed to be God

[@CosmicSkeptic]

Get Bart Ehrman's course, "Did Jesus Call Himself God?": www.bartehrman.com/godman See all of Bart Ehrman's courses: www.bartehrman.com/alex

[@micahhenley589]

If the bible isn't true and is mere mythology then it doesn't really matter whether or not Jesus claimed to be God. But Bart and Alex both know deep down that the bible(God's word) is completely true and authoritative. Thus if they can show us that it doesn't support Jesus's divinity then we must accept it for God's word must be accepted. Sadly, this is just a hateful attack on the Son of God. But no one ever had a reason to hate the perfect Christ. As He Himself said "They hated Me without reason." John 15:25

[@tommyrotton9468]

I see no reason why Jesus would not call himself god as going by the verses of the Old Testament the only difference between Adam and god was eternal life, so are we not gods, yes you are (Psalms) and so was Jesus. I think the current fixation for Jesus being god in the church is just theocracy making him the most important sacrifice. So they had to make the trinity etc etc

[@hubertagamasu6283]

EHRMAN DENIEES JESUS’ CLAIM TO BE THE SON OF MAN BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT IS A CLAIM TO B GOD By Ehrman’s criterion of DISSIMILARITY, not only is Mark a reliable Gospel but the verses quoted from here are valid because Jesus refers to the son of man in the third person [see Ehrman, “How Jesus became God”, p59, pdf version] Premise 1: The Messiah sits at the right hand of God [Mark 12:35-37] Premise 2: The son of man who comes on the clouds, sits at the right hand of God [Mark 14:62] Conclusion 1: The messiah is the Son of Man who comes with the clouds. Premise 3 (from conclusion 1): The Messiah is Son of man who comes with the clouds. Premise 4: Jesus identifies himself as the Messiah [Mark 14:61-63] Conclusion 2: Jesus, claims to be the Messiah, son of Man, who comes with the clouds. Premise 5: The Son of Man is given worship that is due to only God! [Daniel 7:13-14, the word for worship here is פְלַח [pelach, Strong's number 6399 ] and is used in Daniel ONLY for deity, not persons [compare Daniel 3:14, 3:17] Premise 6: Coming on the clouds is an Old Testament motif applied to only God! [Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3] Premise 7: The son of MAN IN Ezekiel, shares God’s glory [Ezekiel 1:26-28] Premise 8: Ehrman agrees, noting in his book that the Son of Man sits on the throne of God and shares His power! [Ehrman, How Jesus became God, read from p39] Premise 9: God shares His glory with no other being [Isaiah 42:8] Conclusion 3: The Son of Man Equal to God in nature. Premise 10 (from conclusion 3): The son of man is God. Premise 11 (from conclusion 2): Jesus claims to be the Son of man COCLUSION 4: JESUS CLAIMS TO BE GOD!

[@hubertagamasu6283]

​@@tommyrotton9468Did you hear Enrmann admit that the he calls himself God in the book of John, at least?

[@shassett79]

​@@micahhenley589 Is this the "atheists don't exist" argument that's trendy lately? What about me? Do I also secretly know Jesus is real?

[@waystrings1590]

And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.

[@venmss1]

You mean .. “allah” one of 360 idols worshipped before mohamed “revelations”. You mean the pagans practiced Hajj before mohamed & already worshipped “allah” .. That is why mohamed himself stated about his dad being a pagan .. his name was Abdullah .. which means *servant of allah* .. how was a pagan named abdullah worshipped allah before “revelations” were revealed to mohamed . Because “allah” is a false idol .. mohamed stole the miracles of the True God & said attributed to his false idol “allah”. Elijah llyas is a True of the True God. Quran 14:4 messengers are only sent to their people in their language. Elijah was a Hebrew sent to the Israelites .. who spoke Hebrew. What Elijah name mean *YAHWEH IS MY GOD* 99 names of “allah” The TRUE GOD is nowhere mentioned .. because mohamed did not know THE NAME OF GOD. This is THE NAME OF GOD .. The God of Moses revealed to Moses. And mohamed did not know the God of Moses.

[@waystrings1590]

@venmss1 what an ignorant person u are , allah means god in arabic language , god said to not worship the idols , god said in quran everyone god is one god , the creator of the heavens and the earth , allah sent many prophets to every nation with their own mother tongue so that the messenger can make them understand the reavealation.

[@waystrings1590]

​@@venmss1 what an ignorant person u are , allah means god in arabic language , god said not to worship idols ,god said in the quran ...everyone god is one god , allah sent many prophets to every nation knowing their mother tongue so that prohets may communicate with them about revealation from god u better read the quran and not follow ur own assumptions

[@Nahin-iy4cy]

​@@venmss1 Allah meaning is The God (The singular God). Arabs thought they can only reach The God through worshipping idols and they'll do the job. That's polytheism. Prophet Muhammad pbuh saved arabs from that

[@venmss1]

@@Nahin-iy4cy All he did was turn pagan polytheism into pagan monotheism

[@tensecondbuickgn]

"Christianity started out in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise." Sam Pascoe

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@tensecondbuickgn]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I would imagine you're the only person that gave a thumbs up on your comment.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@tensecondbuickgn People underestimate hell, it is bad because it is separation from God. In a vision I was shown a person who claimed to be Christian but started fornication (premarital sex), He died relatively young and went to hell forever (1 Cor 6:9). God’s holiness means He will not coexist with sinners forever therefore Repent (Luke 13:3) and have a relationship with Jesus.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT Make sure as a you are a repentant Christian. Read the Bible daily and pray often throughout the day, the devil is trying to make lukewarm Christians everywhere (Rev 3:16). Join us in spreading the good news of Jesus Christ. If you tell everyone that you are a mechanic but day in and out, you do the work of an accountant are you truly a mechanic? No, you are an accountant. Likewise, a Christian by name who lives contrary to Jesus’ teachings by living sinful/worldly is not a real Christian.

[@o.k.8531]

Jesus never claimed the existence of a religion called Christianity.

[@samersalim659]

@@faubourglincolnthat’s incorrect. The Quran and the hadiths define Islam as the religion for man kind extremely clearly!

[@faubourglincoln]

@@samersalim659 Wrong. It was suppose to be a reform but still the same religion. Islam wasn’t even mentioned in the Quran.

[@tatsunada]

@@faubourglincoln Wrong. Last few words of Surah Al-Ma’idah, Quran 5:3 “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion.”

[@sonofzahid]

@@tatsunadaYou cooked him. If he is looking for the truth, he will be satisfied with your answer. If he is not, then he will start yapping.

[@UncannyTale]

@@sonofzahid Exactly.

[@MegaChickpeas]

This is pretty easy to debunk without the Gospel of John: - Matthew 12:27- "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one know the Father except the son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" - Jesus's apostles & disciples worshipped Jesus in Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Matthew 28:17, and Luke 24:52...and Jesus does not reject them at any time. - Jesus repeatedly states that he is the Son of Man in with the authority to forgive sins in Mark 2:10-11, Matthew 9:6, Luke 5:24. In Mark 8:31, Jesus predicts his death & resurrection "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." which is also referenced in Luke 9:22. Jesus also states in Mark 14:62 “you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” which is referenced again in Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:69. This Son of Man is a reference to the prophecy in Daniel 7:13- "And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." - Isaiah 40:3 makes the prophecy that "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."...meaning one who prepares the way for God himself. In Luke 3:2-4, this prophecy is fulfilled when "the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.". Jesus himself directly speaks to a crowd and says about John the Baptist in Matthew 11:9 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."

[@_ben_miller]

it's sad your comment, which actually gives biblical claim evidence, only has 3 upvotes at this time.

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller people want to see their own truth brother

[@_ben_miller]

@@DylanSchafer935 , what is "own truth"

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller people want to follow what they want to believe even if its false

[@DylanSchafer935]

@@_ben_miller basically they are blinded by themselves and are being intellectually dishonest of the evidence laid before them

[@taisirghazi2963]

"BY MYSELF I CAN DO NOTHING;I JUDGE ONLY AS I HEAR, AND MY JUDGEMENT IS JUST, FOR I SEEK NOT TO PLEASE MYSELF BUT HIM WHO SENT ME" JOHN 5:30-47

[@stinger4712]

Thanks. Just went to read that stuff. It sounds more like a messenger just trying his best to convince the people. not like a diety that has all power over all things.

[@servantofthetruth8203]

Facts 💯

[@superepicness1554]

What exactly is proven by this verse? In Verse 40, which you included in scripture listed, Jesus says that the people 'Refuse to come to me to have life'. What do you think that verse means?

[@superepicness1554]

​@@stinger4712 If Jesus was simply a messenger why in this exact passage in verse 40 would he state that people 'refuse to come to him to have life'? Can eternal life be found in a messenger from God?

[@pynx5585]

Trinity issue not a is Jesus God issue Jesus is submitting to father the authority here.

[@uzer4935]

john 9:17 "He is a prophet"

[@smalltimer4370]

Yes, Jesus is/was a prophet of GOD on earth. That said, the scriptures also reveal, that Jesus was far more than a prophet, in-that He is the only begotten son and rightful heir to the throne of David

[@EminaHazic]

No hes not

[@TruthSeeker.John8.32]

Prophet is someone that proclaim and spread God's word. Yes, Jesus is indeed a Prophet, but not just a Prophet, He is more than that.

[@uzer4935]

@HalleluYAH7 Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee" John 4:19 The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet the most references to deity come from john, who was not eyewitness of

[@boreoff9803]

@@smalltimer4370 melchezedek the king of jerusalem was on the same level as jesus according to you. he had no mother, father, and never died and was there helping abraham.

[@MrWiru]

God does not die.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@MrWiru]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Jesus is not God.

[@adambrownhussein6525]

@@MrWiru Jesus(pbuh) is a man and a messenger of God(Allah).

[@Muhammed_Furqan]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,but the Father only.” (Matthew 24:36) *So according to this bible verse, Jesus cannot be god because he didn’t know the hour. And as u know that god knows everything. Be consistent and cohesive that Jesus didn’t know everything. Therefore he is not god*

[@Oldmoneydan]

Exactly. Which is why he is risen!

[@yknows3158]

Jesus wasn’t a “christian” he worshipped his creator

[@SmalltimR]

As the term Christian, literally means, follower of Christ, the notion that Jesus would be His own follower does not make any sense whatsoever. That being said, and while it is certainly true that Jesus worshipped His Father as GOD, of whom He called His GOD and our GOD, this would have no bearing whatsoever with Jesus being a Christian - of which, is very silly if you think about it. PS, contrary to what many believe today, Christianity is not defined by the trinity or the fact that Jesus is GOD at all - as these are the products of the false teachings of men rather than GOD's written truth - follow Jesus, not men!

[@loba7373]

Youre a disgusting heretic, Jesus claimrd to be God many times! You cannot follow Jesus without following the Bible ​@SmalltimR

[@MJ511KW]

@@SmalltimR stop believing in the lies of paul he never even met Jesus

[@master13fox]

@@SmalltimRdon’t claim such ridiculous things. Jesus was prophet. Who told you that he is god? Paul? Church? Roman Empire? So blind

[@master13fox]

@@MJ511KWexactly! Ameen to that. They are blind. I was Christian for 20 years And Alhamdulillah I left this joke

[@MGold00]

If He is God, Why be scared to be stoned? Why would God be afriad of his own Creation?

[@BoosterShotss]

Not only that if this human god is GOD how did he allow other humans to kill him?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BoosterShotss In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@BoosterShotss]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 lol I love Jesus he’s my messenger & prophet, But he’s a Human & Humans can’t & will never be GOD!

[@Fringe4]

1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

[@willyoumarieme1]

@@coyotedesert4199it’s the English translation obviously

[@samfelton5009]

Love that you had William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman on to talk about the different positions on the historical Christ, would love to see this done with more theological takes!

[@Mar-dk3mp]

Let's repeat to those godless and souless alone hipocrite, which you does not neet respect for the follow reasons: When you see people talking contantly about something they do not even believe in you should already know that is a cult that have nothing to offer to you, but you are a western godless idiot and hipocrite how can you get it??? Real No respect for you... Real those godless alone people are that stupids and do not deserve any kind of respects... They are all here to kiss some godless ass... they should get from the point those godless people who they like to kiss their ass, that they talk always, and are obsessed with something they did not even believe that Atheism is a fraud and a cult... (no respect for their dishonesty to get it). why they do not get it???) But I guess you are a western, always the worst... and now even in Godenier version. No respect for you.... Now, Let's repeat for those godless hipocrite who always spend so much time to talk about the nothing they think they will be once death, and run to kiss someone godless ass, because that is what their new no sense cult "called Atheism" lead those people to do... See those godless rats do the only thing they an do run once they see a godless videos, that what you rats can do when you are lone godless idiot, you have no God and no Community. So many reasons to do not have any respect for you rat Goddenier idiot Here other more enjoy to see how more disgusting and idiot you modern godless idiot are: They are not called atheists but western godless and soulless modern idiots: who is a western godless and soulless idiot a) someone who fallows this new bullshit almost never existed before b) someone who does really believe God to exist cares about his or her opinion c) someone that will believe from now constantly that he will be Nothing once death, poor cursed idiot... D) someone that does not have any kind of Spiritually, (how can can someone without God or soul have any kind of spirituality??? No go no soul no spirituality (why do you even live???) E) someone who will pay afterlife infront God F) someone if he is right mostly he will Be NOTHING once death but if there is God and we are right and his or her heart will stop he will not know what to do once God will ask "why you did not believe in me" (what would you say?) (What a fool) G) someone who will feel strong now to deny God but hopefully he will not need, because if he will get down, depressed, older, alone and closer to death God is only things he get, but he is so stupid to do not get now H) someone who doesn't not even have an actual community I) someone who see atheist on Internet the term atheist and go writing some shit because he got no community... L) someone who deny his creator which we called lier m) a goddenier so a lier by definition... M) is someone who decide to do not have by purpose a sacred things as God and for free (what a poor person!) N) we got what you do not and give us much force and for free. O) someone who have very much few things to believe in. Let's say that if you do not believe in God, what do you believe humans (I believe in Humanity as well, however: wars, genocide, cheating, bad talking, and so on) what hell is left? P) someone that does not God R) therefore if you do not know God or have in your miserable life how can you deny what you do not know?? How to pity those fools and their miserable life to be so???? (No questions as you godless and soulless hipocrite, but actually answer)... Anyway. No respect for you at all. You may not believe now, but you do not know if you will pay this modern idiocy to deny God in future... Wait and see, wait and see, you fool. (So think next time to write certain things or to be a godless and souless idiot, because there is very few things you can lean on)... if we die nothing will happen to us, as wewill nothin as you think we will be, but when your heart will stop, well infront God, when he will ask you why you did not believe in me what would you say??? You are playing with the fire, your problem Godless Fool! Why n yuo want follow only you instincts as f** animals but they change all the time and you as human can get crazy and think killing is God... How to pity your miserable life, you Godless idiot, for real? Only a godless idiot can call God, which is all an imaginary friend, for real you are disgusting. Modernity and its idiots. (by the way this channel is getting more and more ridiculous talking about and be obsessed with something that they do not even believe... Only godless and soulless idiot do not get it, why?)... Hope you will no need God in your life because otherwise you will be fuck* up searching for the nothing you are and you believe in. No respect for you and your family, your mom and father who rise up such godless idiot. Be ready to cry because of God is real you will be fu**d up, and all this for not believe for free and in a simple way. What poor person you are.... Np hope for you and respect for this godless generation hope for the next one to be better then you. (you sand on Nothing, the nothing you think you will be and now cursed to think so constantly, even if you will not admit it). You are just fool yourself, how to pity your miserable godless life? laugh and enjoy the life now, because in the future you will be scared for denying God, your creator... They are alone... Poor modern godless idiot. No pity for them... Their really need to kiss godless people ass .. disgusting human being. that does not make any sense dude. God is all-mighity and all powerful he can see you and can even stop your heart in any moment, so. So think twice before be a godless and souless idiot because the world and God does not go around you and what you think about him. But you want just fool yourself just trust none expet you that are a disgusting godless idiot No respect for you. They really deserve to die alone without God. How can anyone can pity your miserable and godless alone life? No respect for you modern godenier, you do not deserve it... The are fighting against something they can never win, God.... What fool people! The what is so positive to do not have God, Soul (as a freaking robots), an actually community, live and die alone as a godless fool? And why do you always talk about something you do not even believe in (God)? Are you a godless and soulless modern idiot, then live like that, right? You are into a cult where you are alone and you do not even get it. Are you that smart you godless alone idiot? I just have enough with those people and the cult they belong to and the obsession for what they do not even believe, what hipocrites! Their just pathetich alone human being. No pity for them. Of course God made it, who alse your mother made it??? Anyway as always you godless and soulless alone idiots, have nothing to offer to us, to yourself, and to the world. No respect for this godless alone pathetic generation. That how this new Cult "atheism" makes you alone idiot, and with nothing actually to say, because you are based on the nothing you think you will be once death. (but they love to kiss godless ass, they run for it, Disgusting) No respect for you and the family who raised you so stupid and alone... Reallly they have nothing to offer to us, to the world and to themesleves, that stupidity and lonlyness. (this channel is getting more and more ridicolous and who said the opposite is a godless alone hipocrite). we godless and souless modern alone people are obsessed with someone who get riched be obsessed and talking constatlly about somethin he and you do not even believe. You are ridicolous. Another reason to not be like you. Atheism leads to Nothing. No God No Spirituality Not an actually Community Only Loneliness and Obsession for God and what you do not even believe anymore. But yes be disgusting Godless ass kisser... Let me ask some questions (be honest to answer): the first question will be... how does you feel to have less sacred things in your miserable alone godless life then us? And then why are you into a cult that leads to nothing? And why you are a part on something that have nothing to offer to us believers, but loneliness?? and finally how can you deny what you do not know or have in your alone godless life? and why God should care about what you think to exist? Go and be honest once in your life you Goddenier. (Do not write to this message if you actually have nothing to say, as you always godless people do... What waste of lives yours, for real). If you had some dignity you must be ashemed to deny God... But you do not have any, right???

[@matswessling6600]

why? theology is just fantasy.

[@Nitroade24]

@@matswessling6600 It's really interesting

[@matswessling6600]

@@Nitroade24 no. its like discussing the material in bat mans mask... useless.

[@emilsundbaum5221]

@@matswessling6600You could make that case for anything if you stretch it far enough. If you don’t find it interesting don’t study it then.

[@kamj1969]

The view that Jesus never claim to be God is very Islamic. Muslims believe that Jesus is a prophet and messenger of God sent to the children of Israel. He is also the messiah who will return in the end of times to kill the anti christ and rule based on God’s law. So who made him appear as if he’s God - Paul

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@ysntad9914]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Your god is weak and unjust. Weak because he cannot forgive your sins no matter how big they are, and unjust because he wronged his son whom he sent to die to atone for your sins, even though it is unclear how his death relates to your sins, and even though your religion tells you that no one bears the sin of another. He is also unjust because he burdened you with the sin of an original sin you did not commit. My god, however, is just and tells me that if you do good, you will be rewarded for it, and if you do evil, you will be held accountable for it. The original sin does not exist in my religion because when Adam disobeyed his Lord, his Lord taught him how to repent, and he did, so He forgave him. In my religion, there is a scientific method that explains how Adam was chosen and why he was chosen. When God created the earth, He wanted to offer it as a trust to one of His creations to either build it up or fail to maintain it. This is what we do with the earth today: some try to develop and preserve it while others try to corrupt and destroy its environment. So, God chose humans and informed the angels of this, who were astonished and questioned why He would give this trust (the earth) to creatures who are savage and kill each other. This refers to the primitive humans before Adam, whose existence has been proven by science. God told them that He knew why He chose Adam. He taught Adam things and put him to a test in front of the angels. When God asked the angels questions, they could not answer and admitted that they only knew what God had taught them. But when God asked Adam, he answered everything and even advanced his knowledge. This demonstrated why God chose Adam: because humans are beings capable of learning. We all know this is true. One thing remained: is this being free in his actions, unlike the angels who were created to obey God's commands only? Or an unthinking animal that only follows its instincts? So, God put Adam to the test with the tree and the apple. The Quran depicts God seeking any test for Adam, choosing the tree because if it were important, He would have placed angels with flaming swords to guard it. The devil tempted Adam, who, being a thinking being, had to use his mind to choose between obeying God or following the devil's temptation. Adam chose the latter and ate from the apple. This being was now ready to live in an environment (the earth) that required understanding and making choices. God spoke to him as if speaking to a child, because Adam was newly created and had not yet learned from life's experiences. God said to him, "When you commit a sin, call upon Me and I will forgive you." Adam called upon God, and He forgave him and informed him that he would descend to earth to live there. What Adam did was not a great sin; there are far worse sins, like murder, as when Moses killed. As Muslims, we believe in what Jesus Christ said: "And this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." Christ is merely a great messenger.

[@gangsterkami1]

Buddy. Did you watch the video?​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@tatsunada]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that sounds like fan fiction

[@sheeesh2237]

go watch blogging theology, he proved how the 'divinity of jesus"' was added later on.

[@MBTechSearch]

We are saying the exact thing for 1400 centuries, that a messager of God comes to tell people to worship God alone and not to worship the Messenger himself

[@BadgerWolf-19]

Jesus had been saying he is God for 2000. Got you beat😂😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@BadgerWolf-19 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@meab12]

For 140,000 years??? Really????

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@meab12 He meant 14 centuries

[@Mo_Hamd72]

@@BadgerWolf-19 That lie has been told to you for 2000 years.

[@mike9512]

This to me is a perfect representation of what freedom of speech is supposed to be. It's an open discussion about sensitive topics but it's not mean spirited, derogatory or condemning a group of people. You can agree or disagree, but it's just too guys having a discussion. Love it.

[@spol1622]

@@WillofGodwhosoever as long as you do not shove your beliefs down my throat I do not care.

[@mike9512]

@@WillofGodwhosoever I went to church for 4 years and have either read or heard most of the New Testament. I have nothing but positive things to say about Jesus. If Christians actually did what he asked them to do and lived by his example this world would be a better place. But sadly they don't. And in my experience Christians are more likely to mock Jesus than anyone else, especially with their actions. And the various Church's, for so much of their lifetime, have been the worst offender. And really it's not your place to know where I go when I die. It's just your opinion. And I'm grateful we live in a society where I can agree or disagree. But either way, whatever is in store for me, it's not up for you to know that. But you're kind of presuming if I don't say, believe or think X then God will do Y. But your faith is for you and your soul, not mine. You presume to know my path when you say you have mercy but that's not for you to decide. You can ask God for mercy for yourself but it's not your job to dispense it to others. That is God's. You're supposed to treat others as you would anyone else.

[@meandonlymeandher5747]

you are deluded pls, stay away

[@cygnusprime6728]

This isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of the flow of the discussion. This is simply what two adults with an ounce of respect & education look when having a talk/debate. We're just so used to people interrupting and yelling that whenever people talk this way it seems fascinating.

[@mike9512]

@cygnusprime6728 yes, %100 agree.

[@ezo3346]

Thanks for opening my Eyes, He is prophet, God is one. ❤

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@mot9769]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You beleive we will be judged for Evil thoughts?!

[@treebusettt]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Why is there a ritual of confession in the church, if all sins have been atoned for by Jesus?? such CONTRADICTION If Jesus was God, why did he have to die to atone for sins?? just say all sins are erased. finished. he is the almighty god btw.. such CONTRADICTION

[@high.vibrational.collective]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is it so unbelievable that God could forgive us for our sins without killing anyone. That He is capable of forgiving is, being gracious with those who believe and repent? What are the origins of your faith in Jesus being god? Parents? Mystical experience? A feeling? Im genuinely curious 🙏🏼

[@hellerart]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I hope they have good showers at entrance

[@فهدالسليم-ت9ج]

1- We, as Muslims, believe that God Almighty gives authority to the prophets, peace be upon them, to judge people. There is no problem in our belief when Jesus, peace be upon him, tells a man that his sin has been forgiven, because all prophets receive revelation from God Almighty. We have a hadith from the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, when a man who committed a sin came to him and wanted to atone for it. The Prophet said to him, “Didn’t you pray with us?” The man answered yes, and the Prophet said to him, “God has forgiven your sin.” 2- We believe in all the books that God Almighty revealed to His prophets, peace be upon them, including the Torah and the Gospel, but they are marred by corruption with remnants of the truth. As Dr. Bart Ehrman explained, there is an attempt to impose a certain doctrine in the Gospel of John regarding the divinity of Christ that is different from the Synoptic Gospels, all of which were written decades later. From the departure of Christ, peace be upon him 3- To learn more about the Islamic doctrine regarding Jesus, peace be upon him, I recommend the book “Jesus the Man, the Messenger, and the Messiah” by the writer Abu Zakaria.

[@123lowp]

Have you heard Alan Watts's view on Jesus? It can be found on KZbin and is interesting.

[@MegaChickpeas]

- Matthew 12:27- "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one know the Father except the son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" - Jesus's apostles & disciples worshipped Jesus in Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Matthew 28:17, and Luke 24:52...and Jesus does not reject them at any time. - Jesus repeatedly states that he is the Son of Man in with the authority to forgive sins in Mark 2:10-11, Matthew 9:6, Luke 5:24. In Mark 8:31, Jesus predicts his death & resurrection "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." which is also referenced in Luke 9:22. Jesus also states in Mark 14:62 “you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” which is referenced again in Matthew 26:64 and Luke 22:69. This Son of Man is a reference to the prophecy in Daniel 7:13- "And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." - Isaiah 40:3 makes the prophecy that "A voice of one calling: “In the wilderness prepare the way for the LORD; make straight in the desert a highway for our God."...meaning one who prepares the way for God himself. In Luke 3:2-4, this prophecy is fulfilled when "the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the wilderness. He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.". Jesus himself directly speaks to a crowd and says about John the Baptist in Matthew 11:9 "Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. This is the one about whom it is written: “‘I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way before you."

[@ItsOnPaper]

Jesus never once claimed to be a prophet.

[@thewholefnjt]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said "whoever has seen me has seen the Father"

[@theprestige3974]

​@@ItsOnPaperI like your comment. This is a reverse argument. If they said he NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GOD, because he never said specifically:" I am God!" He also never said specifically, :"I am a prophet."

[@chadspinnox566]

I'm going to become Muslim now because this is exactly what Islam is saying about Jesus and God. In Islam, God doesn't have kids and parents and wives and has no human characteristics and that Jesus is only a prophet and messenger not God and not the Son of God. Looks like Islam is the corrective original Christianity of Jesus himself.

[@DragovianMythiX]

Correct, had the Jews (not the Gentiles, because Jesus didn't preach to the Gentiles!!!) not strayed from Jesus' commands, then Islam probably would not have existed now. Unfortunately, (most) Jews ended up rejecting him (the Jews had this habit of rejecting prophets), while the Gentiles turned Jesus into something so vastly different by injecting polytheistic thoughts and theories (not unsurprising since the Romans and Greeks were polytheistic and had the biggest influence back in the day), hence Islam restoring the message. It makes sense if you look at it objectively.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@DragovianMythiX All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@dxedit001]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Free will at it's finest

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

Well you do know islam favors slavery so don't forget about that right there

[@AntonioCunningham-jr2oj]

​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 No sir no humans need to repent period because can also allow certain groups of people to be wiped off the faced of the earth

[@markwhite116]

Son of Man is a reference to a specific prophecy in Daniel. It's like some people have blinders on while reading the Bible.

[@jimstultz3345]

Many have tragically.

[@saberswordsmen1]

Son of Man is used throughout the old testament, not just Daniel. Over a hundred times.

[@markwhite116]

@@saberswordsmen1 The Son of Man is a title when it's stated as "the Son of Man." That title is referring to the Daniel prophecy. Try again.

[@saberswordsmen1]

@@markwhite116 "The use of the definite article in "the Son of man" in the Koine Greek of the Christian gospels is original, and before its use there, no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity exist.[3] Geza Vermes has stated that the use of "the Son of man" in the Christian gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages.[5]"

[@markwhite116]

it's actually what the first century Jew thought, which is who Jesus was talking to.

[@bedd444]

Here is another one ,The word trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.

[@thesahm]

That’s correct but the concept is: genesis 1:26 is the earliest verse that implies a multi-person God. As you continue through the Scriptures the concept of the Trinity unfolds. Jesus did in fact claim to be God.

[@jonathansulbaran6238]

⁠@@thesahmGenesis 1:26 doesn’t necessarily imply a multi-person God. It only implies that God was not alone which is true because the angels were also alive and existent at the time of Genesis 1:26. The angels are also referred to as sons of God in Genesis chapter 6, and Job chapter 1,2 and 38.

[@thesahm]

@@jonathansulbaran6238 Gen 1:26 says let us make man in our image. We are not made in the image of angels. We are only made in the image of God. Yes angels are referred to as sons of God, but that has nothing to do with Gen. 1:26

[@Anjel99-i8o]

These are the emanations of God as they're mentioned in the Kabbalah. Trinity is a completely fabricated concept. ​@@thesahm

[@_ben_miller]

revelation 22:17, "REV. 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost." john 10:30 ," “I and the Father are one.” the capitalization choices of "Father" and "Spirit" are meant to convey the author/translator believed those nouns are divine beings.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

Jesus was a human being.

[@TR13400]

Do tou think Christians deny that? Lol

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is the trinity make up?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h I don't understand the question.

[@MAHMED-s6h]

@@TR13400 What is trinity that the Christians falsely believe in.?

[@TR13400]

@@MAHMED-s6h The trinity is God.

[@FatimaBarkatulla]

This is what the Qur’an says. He never claimed to be God, he was the Messiah and Messenger of God.

[@MegaChickpeas]

Quran literally says Jesus is the Word of God sent down via His Spirit...and then taken back to Allah himself.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MegaChickpeas God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@@MegaChickpeasyes the Quran says Jesus as. is the word of god, but why? Quran 3:59 Indeed, the example of Jesus in the sight of Allah is like that of Adam. He created him from dust, then said to him, “Be!” And he was! Jesus as. is called the word of god because aside from the first human he was the only one created directly by gods word/command. That he was sent down by the "holy spirit" of god is simply wrong, I dare you to show me where the Quran says this. The Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel in Islam, not a person of god.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen ,sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.

[@TheOneAndOnlyJinglebi]

@ no that’s not how judgement works, if you steal from someone they can make the decision to not sue you that’s perfectly fine with our justice system. Neither is it a thing that god punishes infinitely for smaller sins, no if god doesn’t forgive you you pay for it in hell but not eternally (the only eternal punishment you get is for disbelieving in god).What doesn’t work is if you commited a crime and the judge decides that you are guilty, but he doesn’t sent you to prison but his own son. That’s ridiculous

[@jamessanders145]

I remember as a kid being very confused about the passage of the sin forgiveness precisely because he didn't directly reply with "I'm forgiving your sins".

[@billgreen576]

Sin is a word the religious use to keep you toeing the line. It is not a real thing.

[@jamessanders145]

@@billgreen576 I'm not talking about present views and I was referencing the passage that was mentioned during the discussion. Certainly there's a lot of control motivating the creation of all organized religion.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@pawoon]

No matter if he SAID it ir not, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CANNOT DIE

[@vhawk1951kl]

Calm down dear, those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser but also declare to all the world that they are raving lunatics.

[@XnonTheGod]

Creators! last i asked Zues said he was partying with Thor and Odin to do some lightings on earth...

[@alexantollin564]

@pawoon, your mouth is the creator of the creator of the universe out of nothing but saliva with atoms

[@JesusLord_of_lords]

He gave up the ghost then resurrected. The tomb is empty..

[@redafx2527]

true

[@corinnebrixton6577]

"He's actually not crucified for calling himself God. His divine claims actually have no relation to any of the crucifixion narratives." Sorry? 'Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” (Mark 14:61-64) I'm sure Bart Ehrman knows these verses from Mark's gospel (which he acknowledges is probably the earliest gospel). What is Jesus saying here? Here's using the self-designation he most often uses for himself and taking it right back to where it comes from - Daniel 7:13-14. The one who (remarkably in the Jewish Scriptures) is described as 'like a son of man' and yet comes as God does (on the clouds of heavens), to whom God gives authority and glory (and God does not give his glory "to another") and who is worshipped (despite God being the only one who is to be worshipped). And Jesus before the high priest not only admits to being 'the Son of the Blessed One' but takes up the language of Daniel which speaks of him being worshipped alongside God. What's the high priest's response? - 'You have heard the blasphemy.' The High Priest understands exactly the claim that Jesus is making - and denounces it as blasphemy. It's a claim to divinity and that's exactly how it's understood by the listeners. (And it's there in very similar terms in both Matthew and Luke - with the same reaction from the Jewish leaders). Now, Bart Erhman IS right that the charge that Pontius Pilate is considering it that Jesus is the King of the Jews. It's there in all three synoptics but made most explicit in Luke - who records what the Jews say when they take Jesus to Pilate: "We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Messiah, a king." (LUke 23:2). Why's that? Because Pilate won't care about their Jewish scruples about blasphemy, but he will care if someone is setting himself up as a king in opposition to Caesar - that's what will get you killed under a Roman governor (and the Jews know it!). That's why the Jews play the system and change the charge from blasphemy to sedition. That's what will get you crucified. Actually, Bart Ehrman is wrong again saying that Pilate kills him for claiming to be king of the Jews (though he is right in saying that's a political claim). PIlate can see through it all - all four gospels tell us the same thing: that Pilate can see Jesus' innocence and doesn't consider him guilty of any crime. He knows the Jews have handed Jesus over because of envy, but eventually caves in to the crowd. (It may well be that his own political situation was precarious at this time due to the political situation in Rome with his supporter Sejanus having recently fallen out of favour with Tiberius - and he therefore wanted to avoid open conflict with the Jews.). So it was precisely Jesus' claim to be God that got him killed. Bart also doesn't really seem to have fully addressed the fact that in Mark 2 the religious leaders DO clearly see Jesus' claims as blasphemous - and Jesus doesn't tell them, 'no, no - I wasn't really claiming to be God there' Just the opposite in fact. Oh, and Mark also tells us in the same narrative, "Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts." And what would Mark, a good Jew, know? "Yahweh knows the thoughts of man." (Psalm 94:11) Oh, and a couple of chapters later, Mark records Jesus calming a storm with his words. And his disciples (in the boat with him at the time): "They were terrified and asked each other, 'Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (4:41) - Actually, they know who stills storms - Yahweh again (Psalm 107:29). I could go on (has power over death, calls himself Lord of the Sabbath, creates matter, is called 'my Son' by a voice from heaven, calls himself the son of the vineyard owner (ie God) - and this is all in Mark's gospel, not John's).

[@landonbarretto4933]

You know this because you read it in a book? Really?

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@landonbarretto4933 Just commenting on the book that Bart Ehrman is commenting on... And don't we only tend to know ANYTHING about history because people have made records? I'm sure most of the exams that most of us have taken have been on stuff that we've read in books. I'd love to understand more about what point you're making.

[@nichobee]

​@@landonbarretto4933 yes...the exact same book that Bart read

[@nichobee]

Bart is essentially referring that this is just one giant misunderstanding running for 2,000 years. My own common sense finds this highly unlikely. If Jesus didn't even implicitly claim to be God, then the New Testament would read much more like Life of Brian.

[@corinnebrixton6577]

@@nichobee Exactly. This would have either been the one of the greatest misunderstandings or the greatest conspiracies in human history, one that has managed to keep going despite many of its earliest proponents being put to death for doggedly adhering to it. I just don't think Bart Ehrman's claim is credible when you consider all the texts. The idea that Mark's gospel (as the earliest) didn't really claim that Jesus was God and that these were legends or embellishments that somehow suddenly evolved in the small number of decades before the gospel of John (with its more overt claims to divinity) seems sligtly ridiculous when you consider that Mark's gospel points to Jesus being the son of God... in the first verse. I suppose that Prof Ehrman will claim that's really not a claim to divinity, but it's funny that the religious leaders of Jesus' day seemed to know with great clarity that Jesus was making claims to divinity... in the second chapter of Mark. And then just a couple of chapters on, Jesus is demonstrating the sort of power over nature that the Jewish Scriptures spoke of as being the power that was wielded by God himself. (I could go on...!!)

[@californiaction]

The child cried out: "Verily I am Allah's servant. He has granted me the Book and has made me a Prophet, and has blessed me wherever I might be and has enjoined upon me Prayer and Zakah (purifying alms) as long as I live; and has made me dutiful to my mother. He has not made me oppressive, nor bereft of God's blessings. Peace be upon me the day I was born and the day I will die, and the day I will be raised up alive. This is Jesus, the son of Mary; and this is the truth about him concerning which they are in doubt. It does not befit Allah to take for Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decrees a thing He only says: "Be" and it is. (Jesus had said): "Indeed Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him alone. This is the Straight Way."

[@monsieur.emmanuel]

Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” (John 20:17)

[@eugene307]

@@californiaction you are a lier the word "allah " never existed before 610AD. And Jesus never said I am sarvent of God . He said I am the Son of God. After copy 70% from the Bible , quran still struggling. Now the present quran you have is made by Cairo in 1924. Go get it checked.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@monsieur.emmanuel As a Man He is talking God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@monsieur.emmanuel]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Please do.

[@_ben_miller]

allah is the best liar, even accoring to the quran. what you are saying is another lie.

[@dogzdigital]

Great conversation. I always appreciate thoughtful conversation that takes a logical and thoughtful approach and not blind obedience to tradition.

[@joewhite4357]

They lie in the conversation though because Jesus claims to be son of the blessed one in Mark (the first gospel) so I don’t know what Alex and this guy are on about here. Mark 14: 60-62. Believe what you will but they lied here

[@bbb11110]

What's the logic behind saying such a shameful, disgracefull LIE? The Bible clarly mentions dozens of times when Jesus said HE IS GOD. (Ex John 14: 6-11). Maybe the Satan in this guy didn't let him read those parts...means all the Bible. How would this person teach his children not to lie when he lies as he breathes. Such a disgrace

[@dogzdigital]

@@bbb11110 I don't know which version of the Bible you are reading but Jesus does not say he is God in the Verses you mentioned.

[@bbb11110]

@@dogzdigital Any version

[@rabahben-k9v]

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Bible, in the book of John, chapter 14, verse 6. Even John testifies that Jesus is the way to God, not God Himself.

[@Kman566]

Think about it..... It's saying that Jesus is the transportation BUT God is the destination.

[@taisirghazi2963]

Prophet Jesus peace and blessing of Allah be upon him is the way because he was sent by The Creator as a PROPHET.

[@ScottRyan-Akhi23]

Thank you! My recent interpretation of that exact same verse. Jesus(PBUH)was a prophet. Alhamdulillah.

[@dr.wealth5990]

All prophets were the way the truth and the life.. when the prophets came.there was no other way

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@josephlerz6889]

There's a verse in the Bible Matthew 24:36 saying " No one knows when that day and hour will come - neither the angels in heaven and the Son ( the father alone knows ) "

[@StingrayAkbar]

But all knowing guy is ignorant. He never showed up and saved people's arse

[@raulmaarcheco5099]

That’s one of the many verses that proves Jesus is not God. Satan offers Jesus the world , how is that possible. God created Satan and the world makes no sense unless Jesus is not God

[@josephlerz6889]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 Yeah and Jesus died at 33 but he only was given his purpose I believe when he was aged 12 and before that he didn't know.

[@Dfw_hoodlums]

@@raulmaarcheco5099 you are so wrong because since Jesus is God he doesn’t need it cause he’s the one who created and he’s the one who can destroy it and if you just read when Jesus is talking to the Jews that he says he is God and I can give you one that no one can argue John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” He literally saying he’s God and if you actually read the Bible you will found more evidence then that, that say he’s God.

[@AmbitiousSpartan_10]

In Acts 1:7 Jesus said “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority". Jesus used the word YOU and not US even though he was present with them, he was implying that he knows the hour, but he did not want the apostles to know the specific time. Jesus said these words after his resurrection, after defeating death.

[@GLeee14]

"Before Abraham was, I am" "Follow me and I will make you fishers of men" "I am the Good Sheperd" Jesus states He is God, not verbatim, but with basic reading comprehension. "My Lord, My God" Jesus affirming that He is God. "I and the Father are one" Jesus verbatim states that He is God.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@grayintheuk8021]

Thanks Alex and Bart. Excellent video. :)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@grayintheuk8021]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Thanks for the bunch of claims. Do you have any good and sufficient evidence for these stories that you were once convinced were true please? Without that someone could quote the Quran or Vedas back at you with exactly the same authority. Happy to hear what you have.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@grayintheuk8021 Thanks grey for your open mindness God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@irisf.5575]

He did. This video is proof of why it's important to read the Bible for yourself and not rely on such narratives.

[@batssama]

First Show me a single verse where he said "worship me", only this 2 words Second god doesn't need to suffer and die to forgive our sins, he is the almighty Third, god is one with no equals and no sons and Jesus is his prophet like Moses and Muhammed peace be upon them

[@Philmoscowitz]

Well if you say so, then it must be true. Lol.

[@irisf.5575]

@@batssama if you have read your Bible, and you cannot understand that Christ is God. Then there are no amount of words I can say, to make you see it.

[@irisf.5575]

@@Philmoscowitz I am not here to try and convince anyone. I am simply stating facts. Those who know, know.

[@karimisrael9407]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@htxhallitronix1569]

Of myself, i can do nothing..

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@drilonkrasniqi9928]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Who was Jesus prayed to and why he learned and didn't know the season and hour

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928 He never sinned, He becameman so He could die a sacrifice Receive the love of God or the Hate of the devil. Be Holy or be sinful. Choose light or stay in the darkness. Be selfless or selfish. Life or death. Right or wrong. Win or lose. Sins forgiven or spend eternity paying for your sins. Heaven or Hell. Choose life, choose Jesus today.

[@LuxuryBaybar]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ignorance and rejection of truth also can lead to everlasting hellfire human are being blessed 🙌 out of many creatures by their creator to think not to be fed a senseless believe there's only 2 communities on this planet that believes in Jesus came and go and will surely return and the written is on the wall it's up to use God given knowledge and find out with sincerity and he will surely show you the way

[@CHRISTBRO]

@@drilonkrasniqi9928Because he was fully human. He’s also fully God. Everyone in this comments section just found out about day 1 reddit tier arguments smh

[@RhondaFranklin-s1b]

Why do people even have a question? The word FATHER indicates a superior position over a Son. Why make it like it’s complicated.

[@p13579a]

correct but they are both the same kind. Just like an ordinary father and son are both fully human. You are arguing that Jesus was fully God and I agree with you.

[@JCMcGee]

There's a couple of times here when he talks about Pilate wanting to kill Jesus......didn't Pilate want to release him and was he not a bit surprised when the crowd decided to release Barabus?

[@deductivereasoning4257]

As soon as he acknowledges Luke, he's been duped...

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@xaviervelascosuarez]

Yes. But that's probably one of the parts where the Gospels aren't reliable. Do you know that there are parts of the Gospels that aren't reliable? "How can you tell the difference?" You'd ask... Simple: you ask Bart Ehrman. And don't go asking for contradicting evidence or any kind of proofs! The fact that Ehrman says it should be proof enough!

[@JCMcGee]

@@deductivereasoning4257 explain please...

[@deductivereasoning4257]

@@JCMcGee Luke and Paul were clearly grifters - if they were even real. Luke, who was most likely Greek, is known as the physician. Well, what medicine was he handing out? How was any medicine not ritual based? Why is it not common knowledge as to what he was handing out as medicine? Luke said to trust doctors because their knowledge was given to them by God. Uh, how is that not proof he was grifting? And then, the Catholics, who push Luke more than anyone, created the 1st hospitals. And why are those 2 the most pushed apostles when there are like 50 others? I mean, they didn't even run with Jesus, so why are they the most relevant? Makes no sense other than a grift. Paul claiming to be blinded and healed is the easiest ailment to fake. And then, was his name Saul or Paul? If he is was so relevant, why any confusion?

[@weavehole]

The channel name may have changed to Alex O Connor but you'll always be Genetically Modified Skeptic to me.

[@keksteig387]

Lol. On a side note: Alex > Drew for me. Drew has this smarmy 🤓 energy that I can't dig

[@OldMotherLogo]

Alex was not Genetically Modified Skeptic, he was Cosmic Skeptic. GMS is Drew.

[@SinbadAkina]

​@keksteig387 I prefer cosmic too but that doesn't mean to say genetically doesn't offer a lot of good things he does got something about gum though you ain't lying

[@keksteig387]

@@OldMotherLogo the joke your head

[@ShowMeYoBoob]

he shouldnt change his name. CosmicSkeptic can attract new people to the channel, while Alex O Connor not so much as it doesn't give any context

[@waystrings1590]

Quran( 9:30).....The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is but a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them; how they are deluded away from the Truth! They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him! (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)"

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@waystrings1590]

@@tspfab7309 in quran...jews rejected jesus (pbuh) as the prophet ...jesus(pbuh) performed many miracles infront of them but still jews said "you are not Allah's messenger, your just a magician"

[@mbarnabeus]

​@@tspfab7309He also said according to the bible that the disciples should also be one with them so now do you worship them too?! polytheists Propaganda

[@eugene307]

@@waystrings1590 jews never called Uzar son of God in the Bible. The word Uzar not mentioned even once.

[@waystrings1590]

@@eugene307 quran nevers says all the jews...quran says there are some jews called uzair son of Allah...similar to christians...and also there are some jew worshipped the cow instead of Allah...after they repent to Allah , Allah forgave them

[@scottbutler9251]

Jesus did claim to be God watched the whole video and it’s lunacy.

[@pstbukkie]

43. He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says, 44 “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ’ 45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@yohanebergerkouokamkuisu4238]

@@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT You said it all. For those who have eyes, let them read.

[@Backswell]

THE LORD (God Almighty) said to my Lord (Jesus, the one who would sit on David’s throne forever, that God himself revealed to David in prophecy)

[@vhawk1951kl]

Lord is just another word for boss, or master, do there is no magic in the word'lord'.

[@dastanabilev]

Alex talking about theology while holding his cup of tea is so british. Love the series, Alex!

[@vhawk1951kl]

Would it still be whatever you mean by 'British' if the cup were empty or contained juice, gin, or beer?If you really wish to annoy an Englishman, tell him he is 'British'

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God. And he did say it in Matthew and Luke. This is just ONE example. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

[@a.b.b35]

@@vhawk1951kl O'Connor sounds very english to me

[@danx3504]

This bloke is 100% right. Jesus never EVER claimed to be God. True that 100%

[@SmalltimR]

He is right about that, and a few other things - though he is wrong on many other things as well That said, Jesus Himself said it - I am the son of GOD

[@danx3504]

@SmalltimR what u talking about young fella. Jesus never claimed EXPLICITLY being the son of god. He always refer to himself as the Son of Man

[@SmalltimR]

​@@danx3504 While it is true that Jesus mainly identified Himself as the son of man on earth, it is also notable that Jesus did in-fact identify Himself as the son of GOD both directly and indirectly on multiple occasions. That said, it is also worth noting that scripture testifies to Jesus' unique genealogy in-that He was both a son of man(born of the line of David), as well as a son of GOD(born of Holy Spirit). As for the aspect of Jesus being as son of GOD, we can conclude the following in accordance with scripture; _'...the Good News of Jesus Christ, the _*_son of GOD'_* - Mark 1.1 _'...therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be _*_called the son of GOD'_* - Luke 1.35 _'I have seen and have testified that _*_this is the Son of GOD'_* - John 1.34 _'Nathanael answered him; Rabbi, _*_you are the son of GOD,_*_ you are King of Israel'_ - John 1.49 _'...I have come to believe that _*_you are the Christ, GOD's son,_*_ He who comes into the world'_ - John 11.27 _'when the centurion and those watching saw... saying; _*_truly this was the son of GOD'_* - Matthew 27.54 _'...Jesus said ...for the glory of GOD, _*_that GOD's son_*_ may be glorified by it'_ - John 11.4 _'...what do we have to do with you, _*_Jesus, son of GOD...'_* - Matthew 8.29 *_'...you are the Christ, the son of GOD...'_* - Luke 4.41 _'...the unclean spirits... fell down and cried - _*_you are the son of GOD'_* - Mark 3.11 _'they said, He trusts in GOD - let GOD deliver Him, if He wants Him; _*_for he said - 'I am the Son of GOD'_* - Matthew 27.43 _'the Jews answered him - 'we have a law, and by our law He ought to die, _*_because He made Himself the son of GOD'_* - John 19.7 _'they all said - _*_'are you then the son of GOD?',_*_ Jesus said to them; you say it, _*_because I am'_* - Luke 22.70 _'it is written that you may believe that _*_Jesus is the Christ, the son of GOD,_*_ and that believing you may have life in His name'_ - John 20.31 _'...Jesus answered; 'blessed are you, Simon Bar Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, _*_but my Father who is in heaven'_* - Matthew 16.15-17 _'most certainly I tell you... _*_the dead will hear the son of GOD's voice..._*_ for as the Father has life in Himself, even so, He gave to the son to have life in Himself. He also gave Him authority to execute judgment, because _*_He is a son of man'_* - John 5.25-27 _'...when Jesus heard it, He said; this sickness is not to death, but for the glory of GOD, _*_that GOD’s son_*_ may be glorified by it'_ - John 11.4 _'...the high priest asked Him; _*_are you the Christ, the son of the blessed one?_*_ Jesus answered; _*_I am,_*_ and you will see the son of man seated at the right hand of power, and coming with the clouds of the sky'_ - Mark 14.61-62 And least but not last, in response to accusations that He was making Himself GOD, Jesus said; *_'...because I said, ‘I am the son of GOD?’_* - John 10.36 And finally and if we needed anymore written testimony toward matters - we can look to the words of Jesus' own GOD and Father; _'behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is my beloved son, with whom I am well pleased'_ - Matthew 3.17 _'I will tell of the decree: YHWH said to me; you are my son - today I have become your Father'_ - Psalm 2.7 _'...behold, a voice came out of the cloud, saying; 'this is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased - listen to Him'_ - Matthew 17.5 _'...a voice came out of the sky saying; you are my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased'_ - Mark 1.11 _'...the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of the sky, saying; 'you are my beloved Son. In you I am well pleased'_ - Like 3.22

[@Uwu-fn1js]

Did you even read the Bible in context or even bothered to... Ofc not!!!

[@danx3504]

@Uwu-fn1js young man I'm a former Christian I can tell u Jesus is not God or the Son of God. He will never be. U blokes back it up with I AND THE FATHER ARE 1 or IF YOU'VE SEEN ME YOU'VE SEEN THE FATHER blah blah blah etc. There's not a single EXPLICIT verse Jesus said he is God. Not one. Jesus instead said EXPLICITLY Luke 4:8 "For it is WRITTEN, worship the lord your God and ONLY HIM u shall serve" Jesus also EXPLICIT said Mark 12:29 "This is the most IMPORTANT COMMANDMENT "O Hear O Israel the lord your God is ONE" Jesus also said EXPLICITLY John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know u the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom u have sent"

[@kenroot7925]

Alex! I’m one of your evangelical fans. I appreciate your work and your thoughtful style. I’d love to see you interview NT Wright on this same topic.

[@isaacthegoat1432]

Cuck.

[@johannmatthee5727]

4:30 Didn't Pontius Pilate want to release Jesus, claiming that he found no blame in Him. He went further and offered the people 2 options of who to release, Jesus or Barabbas and the people all shouted to crucify Him? Also he, Pontius Pilate wrote a sign saying King of The Jews, in Hebrew, Greek and Latin so that all could see, and the Jewish authorities told him to remove it. It does not sound to me like Pilate wanted to kill Jesus. I might be mistaken though... so open for a conversation

[@InShadowsLinger]

In which gospel? If you watch the rest of the video you will find that he talked about Pontius Pilate and how the gospels progressively absolve him of the blame. Just a brief search seems to point to John.

[@Colthrone]

You are absolutely correct. Jesus was no threat to Rome. Pilate and Herod sent him back and forth to each other because neither one had any idea what to do with him. It was the angry mob that caused his crucifixion.

[@diegog1853]

If you watch the whole thing he actually speaks about it. And how Pilate becomes less and less guilty for the later sources. The idea being that the "civilized" greeks and romans actually writing the gospels (that were not jews) wanted to blame the uncivilized jews for the death of the son of God, and not the romans, remember that the early spread of christianity focused a lot in spreading to rome and their provinces, which included a lot of the letters in the new testament. Historically, there is no reason to believe Pilate will care at all about not killing jesus. the romans crucified people in the hundreds. They also spoke about some reasons to believe for why Jesus did see himself as the future king of the jews once god came and bring the apocalipse. And at the very least, some people believed he would be the king of the jews. Which gives plenty of reasons for Pilate to kill him. I really recomend watching the whole thing, is very interesting.

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@InShadowsLinger missed that part, sorry XD, so what extra biblical sources or reasons does he give for saying that the Bible absolves him of blame, and what would their motive be for absolving him of it? To make the Jews look bad, but they were the very people to whom the disciples preached and tried to convert?

[@johannmatthee5727]

@@diegog1853 Mark 14:60-65, the accuse Jesus of blasphemy, and that in Jewish culture in Leviticus is punished by death. You are right it is interesting, and unfortunately I am guilty of not watching the whole thing through. My mistake on that part.

[@wagsman9999]

One of the issues with Christianity is events were interpreted by subsequent humans, like Paul or the gospel writers, and we have way of knowing if they got it right. They did not know Jesus, they did not witness his ministry.

[@wagsman9999]

@herbivoremd2592 No. We have no idea who wrote the Gospels. This is standard modern biblical scholarship. These books were written anonymously, many decades after the facts they describe. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John were affixed sometime late second century. The authors never tell us who they are, and they never tell us their sources. The stories are written in high-level Greek, the followers of Jesus would have uneducated fishermen, ... illiterate, and would have spoken Aramaic. The NT captures a circulating tradition, part oral, part written. How much is fact vs. fiction is unknowable, it is underdetermined. We have limited access to the historical Jesus.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@herbivoremd2592 You're so deluded.

[@landonbarretto4933]

@@wagsman9999 We have no access to the historical Jesus. It's all fabricated.

[@dulls8475]

@@wagsman9999 Your evidence that they were illiterate and uneducated?

[@DrinkTeaAndBreathe]

@@wagsman9999 True. Well said.

[@wsmc14]

The fact that Jesus always refers to his “father”, that tells me there is some distinction in both role and power

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

That is heresy of aroism nothing new

[@wsmc14]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 ah I just call it common sense

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@wsmc14 well you did not understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. There is distinction between The father, the son and the holy spirit. Meaning that they are different hypostates. Son is not father and father is not the holy spirit byt the are all one. All of these hypostates have same divinity. There cannot be three gods becouse only one God can be allmaighty. These three are one God. Hypostate of Son speaks to hypostotate of Father.

[@wsmc14]

@@gabrielgabriel5177 lol.... please continue to tell me what I don't understand....

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@wsmc14 our Lord denied us throwing our treasures to dogs. So go and study the scriptures, fathers and teaching of the Church and ask guidance of the Holy Spirit. Maybe he will have mercy.

[@leroy2158]

John 1: 1-14 John 10:30 John 14:61-64 John 8:58 Mark 2:5-7 Jesus' approach was to reveal His divinity through His actions and teachings rather than explicitly saying "I am God" because such a direct statement would have been immediately rejected as blasphemy by many of His contemporaries. Instead, by performing miracles, forgiving sins, and speaking with divine authority, He showed that He was truly God in a way that was undeniable to those who were open to the truth.His statement "I and the Father are one" is indeed a profound claim of unity with God, and many understood it as such, which is why it led to such strong reactions from the religious leaders of the time. Through these actions and words, Jesus revealed the truth of His divine nature in a way that allowed those who were ready to see and believe to recognize Him for who He truly was.

[@bastar46-l5z]

He prayed to god bro

[@leroy2158]

@@bastar46-l5z The holy Trinity bro

[@cyborg3780]

Moses, Noah and other Prophets performed miracles too, were they God too then?

[@leroy2158]

@@cyborg3780 Great question. If you read the bible Jesus gave his deciples the ability to perform miracles and gave them power to cast out unclean spirits.

[@leroy2158]

@@cyborg3780 Matthew 10:1: "And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. "Mark 3:14-15: "Then He appointed twelve, that they might be with Him and that He might send them out to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses and to cast out demons. "Luke 9:1-2: "Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases. He sent them to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. "Mark 16:17-18: "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

Ehrman does think through this a lot (I didn't realize that the major instances of Jesus explicitly saying "I'm God" are all (or most) in John for example). However, there is one thing he talks about here that I don't agree with his logic: forgiving the paralytic's sins. When Ehrman is explaining the story, at 8:42, he states that Jesus's enemies are the ones that point out "Only God can forgive sin." Ehrman and then Alex use this later when they bring up John 20:23 when Jesus says "if you forgive then they are forgiven." This story helps their point because they say that priests would say "your sins were forgiven" too, and they were not claiming to be God. Therefore, Jesus is only saying he has more authority than the Pharisees. As it stands, I don't find anything wrong with that argument (I think it's pretty compelling actually). However, there is a detail in that story that both of them leave out: the Pharisees never said "Only God can forgive sin." If you look up the story in all the synoptic gospels (Matthew 9:1-8, Mark 2:1-12, and Luke 5:17-26), they all word this as not something the Pharisees were saying, but something that they were thinking internally. It's something we only know about because the gospels claim that Jesus knew their internal thoughts, and they don't record him telling the crowd what the Pharisees were thinking (Jesus not telling everything to the crowd isn't out of character for him either since the gospels are filled with stories of him explaining stuff to just the disciples after he preached, which leads me to conclude that this detail was something that Jesus explained afterwards to the disciples). If that was the line of thinking of his accusers that led him to do the miracle that shows his authority, I would expect Jesus to make some sort of correction to their logic if they were incorrect; which is absent in the story. If their thought was referring to authority given to priests as representatives of God himself forgiving sin, wouldn't a more direct thought be something along the lines of "doesn't this guy know only people given authority by God can forgive sin?" and not "doesn't this guy know only God himself can forgive sin." This dichotomy, just like with the famous "before Abraham was, I AM", story leads me to think that the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was trying to communicate when he told the man "Your sins are forgiven"; that he was in fact God himself, not only just someone with more authority than the Pharisees. To sum it up, to conclude that that story is not Jesus making a claim to divinity is an interpretation that is not supported by the story itself (and, if I may add, Jesus's statement of giving the disciples authority is found in John, the book that Ehrman argues is not reliable to learn about Jesus; I only see room for doubt of the interpretation that its a story of Jesus's claim to divinity if you use that saying in John, but according to Ehrman, we can't use that book).

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

This is quite compelling, but couldn't one just say that the Pharisees were wrong about who could or couldn't forgive sins?

[@jesusbrickfreaklego9388]

@@VictorMainaKinuthia That's certainly possible, but one would have to look elsewhere to make that claim that the Pharisees were wrong. If you were to use the rest of the Bible to make that claim, I would argue that the rest of it would support their thought, that only God can forgive sins. At least from the internal source of the religion itself, there is nothing to disprove their thought, but instead, agrees with their sentiment. I'll even go one step further; lets go with the option that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were in fact made up; which means that that authors' are creating Jesus and using stories to describe who this made-up person was supposed to be. This still doesn't change what the most obvious (or at least what I argued above) interpretation would be; it's a story that claims his divinity. If they had free-reign to write whatever they wanted (because we are assuming it's a fictional story) and the point of the story was just to show that Jesus had more authority than the Pharisees without also being God, I would argue it would make more sense to write that the Pharisees' internal (or even something they said out-loud since that probably seems more believable if they were trying to create a lie, at least to me) thought was focused on their authority to forgive sins (or what kind of people were given that authority by God) rather God's authority itself. The fact that the story not only has Jesus not correct or challenge their belief that only God can forgive sins but that these writers would have decided to make that the statement that the Pharisees were thinking of in the first place still leads me to believe that their intention of the story was to show that Jesus was making a claim of divinity. Basically, I'm saying that if this was made up or not, the interpretation that aligns most with the story as it is written is a claim to divinity. (P.S. I know this wasn't necessarily what you were asking/saying, but your question got me thinking more, and I wanted to share)

[@VictorMainaKinuthia]

​@@jesusbrickfreaklego9388 You make a good point, but we can still support this claim using the content from the Bible. If we're taking Jesus' lack of correction as a metric, we need to remember that the same story is retold in Matthew 9. In verse 8, the crowd is recorded as saying that the authority to forgive sins has been given to human beings. "When the crowds saw it, they were filled with awe, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to human beings." Matthew 9:8 (NRSVUE) By your logic, Jesus' lack of correction for the crowd implies that God isn't the only one who can forgive sins, but He has also granted that authority to mankind including "The Son of Man".

[@PC-vg8vn]

Ehrman contradicts himself left, right and centre. Only chooses those parts of the New Testament which he thinks support his views and dismisses the rest, conveniently.

[@getasimbe]

I would argue that there's an important difference between being divine (in the sense of being above man) and being the same entity essentially as God

[@j.d.buchanan4897]

I've heard a lot about Bart Ehrman but this is the first time I've heard him speak at length. He seems like a good-natured, funny guy - and very knowledgeable.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@MichaelLevine-n6y]

Check out his many recorded courses offered by The Teaching Company.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MichaelLevine-n6y Jesus is reaching out to you man using me God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@GrantStraks]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 k now answer why God loves you

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@MichaelLevine-n6y God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@basseliskandarani3137]

It does not matter what Jesus called himself ... what matters is what Paul called Jesus

[@mikepanable]

?

[@solearesoul]

Jesus left his brother James to carry on the tradition that he had started. Paul took what he understood of the tradition, changed it a bit and ran with it. Paul and James did not agree on how Paul was teaching.

[@illerredshirt1]

Who is Paul? Did he die for your sins? Did he know Jesus personally? Did he walk with the apostles and Jesus? What Paul wrote is Paul's opinion. Would you base your faith on someone's opinion?

[@illerredshirt1]

​@@mikepanable Paul and James really didn't agree with each other. I think James was on better way.

[@Cotronixco]

And both Jesus and Paul agreed. Jesus is not God. Neither taught that myth.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Micah 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting."

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@jasonmwaniki159]

Matt 16: 16-17 ... remember He has never denied when He was called God

[@EvilXtianity]

Jesus claimed to be God: John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“ Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and he stated that Jesus is God: Philippians 2:5-6 “You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.” John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God." John 20:28 Thomas declared, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus does not correct him. Titus 2:13 "...the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ." 2 Peter 1:1 "...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ." John 10:30 "I and the Father are one." John 8:58 "I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!" John 1:1, 14 "The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh". Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38). He never rebukes people for worshiping him.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

He always knew who He was...there's 4 gospels all different in their own way, draw it from that context.. all these titles he was given and never denied them once... See what these titles reference in the OT what they mean...Son of man, Son of God, King of the jews... question you should be asking is not whether Jesus claimed to be God but why He came in the flesh... and when you say that the jews of the time were sceptical of him of course they were.. that is why the gospels were written.. I guess you also need to understand who God is and the trinity...UNDERSTAND. Why He came in the flesh. Understand why they called Him blasphemer. Understand why the pharisees were angry with him when he said He forgives sins and wanted to arrest him. Understand why He was forced to leave early after He healed him. UNDERSTAND why they crucified him. when his disciples called him God, he never denied it. He knew who He was. UNDERSTAND the full context...

[@PrinceofDisks534]

⁠@@EvilXtianityyour post shows you didn’t watch the video.

[@jasonmwaniki159]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIqcgGOeaN5_mrc kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWS8dp2me5Z7d80

[@EvilXtianity]

@@jasonmwaniki159 _"....there's 4 gospels all different in their own way..."_ None of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.

[@vladtepes9614]

The "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Who told you that "the "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts", and why do you believe them? Reply

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl When God met Moses in the burning bush He referred to Himself as I AM. John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” There you go Jesus called Himself God right there and the Jews wanted to stone Him for claiming to be God

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 There's just no curing you idolaters of your idolatry is there? Is there nothing you won't drag down into your anthropomorphic gutter? Chatty little thing your image, idol or fetish what? Just... like... you.

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Is there*Nothing* that you will *not* drag down into your anthropomorphic idolater? gutter?

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Luke 24:44 - And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Deuteronomy 10:17 - For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Psalm 95:3 - For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. Psalm 96:4 - For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: he is to be feared above all gods. Psalm 97:9 - For thou, Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods. Psalm 135:5 - For I know that the Lord is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. Psalm 136:2 - O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. Psalm 136:3 - O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. Revelation 19:16 - And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords. Revelation 22:13 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

[@japexican007]

1. Every single time Jesus called Himself the “Son of Man.” The Pharisees sentenced Jesus to death for blasphemy due to Him using this title. Why? Because it’s a reference to the divine figure seen in the book of Daniel, chapter 7. We know this vision is exactly what Jesus intended to bring to mind when He used that title because at his trial he referenced this vision. “Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses? You have heard the blasphemy. What is your verdict?” “And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭14‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Jesus is claiming to be the son of man who sits at the right hand of power The son of man is given dominion(everlasting), glory, kingdom(shall not be destroyed), “that all people, nations, language, should serve him” “But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬ The “saints of the most high”, who is the most “high”? “until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7‬:‭22‬ ‭KJV‬‬ “Judgement was given to the saints of the most high” "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?" "Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. " I WILL RAISE IT UP" “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live. Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die” why would God allow this even knowing that it would lead to confusion amongst the church and even scholars and atheists is God not powerful enough to put on human flesh and reveal himself by coming down to his own construct? Since God is spirit therefore unseen what is illogical about Jesus being "the image of the invisible God"

[@usponsvijestiuzisusakrista8185]

Amen

[@japexican007]

@@ConcedoNulli i watched the whole video, did you?

[@S_L__]

Also Matthew 3:17 - "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." and Luke 9:35 - "And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him." I think that's a confirmation of Jesus' Divinity.

[@ruinzz.]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@ruinzz. In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@kadenzelmer]

10:30 "I and the father are one" John 8:58 "Before Abraham was, I am"

[@SmalltimR]

GOD has no GOD - it's just that simple

[@marvross3928]

excellent video... great questions, clear answers... wonderful production standards

[@kidsliketolearn]

Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament. This guy is wrong. The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God. These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John. This first one Jesus clearly say He is God. When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God. Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered. 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. 4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. 7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. 8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: 10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: 11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. 14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. 15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. 2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. 3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, 6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. 7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Jesus did say many times He is God. He also PROVED He was God by doing: miracles to prove He was God. Healing all sicknesses and diseases Raising the dead Walking on water Controlling the wind and the sea Turn water into wine Casting out demons Talking about the future what would happen He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once Telling people about their hidden past Forgiving sins While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance Rising from the dead after three days Luke 2:7 And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist). The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Mark 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

That another reason why I can not be a godless alone person: well I am not jelous and desperate because other people have God in their life and trust him, while you have not 8but you can not admit)... The reason behind thos godless alone people talk always about God and Christianity is that there is nothing much to talk about Aheims... it is just an empty Cult, plus it does not lead to anywhere and leads to nothing.. . then atheism lead only to the lonlynes (as you do not have God in your miserable Life, we have what you do not, you Idiot)... And you run to kiss godless ass for that... You just worth as your cult, so : 0... No respect for you... But let's hope for a better generation, this one is so lost... They left God for nothing. Let's really Hope in a better generation. (and keep remember God is what you do not know, and as any Goddenier you are a lier). (Do not write me, you are not wroth of my time) They are realy pathetic as their cult called Atheism... and can not pity for that... and mostly kiss godless ass that talks contantly and more then we believers about Christianity and God, you can not be that stupid and alone to do not get there is something broken and wrong in atheims and its BS. No respect for you!

[@johnzuma4688]

Now look at what the critics say so that you can get a balanced view.

[@chrisburright9854]

Highly educated men straining at gnats.

[@Mar-dk3mp]

@@chrisburright9854 LET’S REPEAT THO THOSE GODLESS ALONE PEOPLE TRAPPED INTO THIS EMPTY CULT THAT DOES NOT LEAD TO ANYWHERE BUT OBSESSION AND LONLYNESS…. POOR FOOLS AND LIERS AS ANY GODENIERS (By the way this godless alone people who you leak his ass is just ridicolopus like you and your atheism) Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone. And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite. This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves. They have less sacred things then us... what an idiots they are for that too. Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost. You are into an empty cult that leads you nowhere... No respect for you, godless ass kisser.... You really left God to put BS and emptiness in your miserable Life. No Pity for you. (God is always you do not know)..... We need to move to a better generation, and Hope godless alone people like you will not exist anymore in the future (you are worthless your cult called atheism). What you realised that Etheism is just an empty cult? That Have nothing to offer to you, or to the humanity? It leads to nowhere? To the Obsession for God? For Christianity? That there is not comfort on it??? We have what you do not have (God) and more and precious things in your life that in your godless alone miserable life. Poor fool And that live and die as an alone godless person is not the best you can have? Just as have the idea that once you die you will be Nothing (and Nothing you are now, as you become what you think you will be once death) is not the best for your mental and psychological stability? Or have sacred things (as other people have) and you do not (such God) is so idiot that you are rething about everything and start to believe that Atheism is not but a BS, and a trap you are in????? Those are just pathetic people just as their empty cult called atheism... Let's hope in a better generation and forget about this godless one......

[@gabrielfuret4852]

You guys are quite entertaining, thanks for the video

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@redafx2527]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nah i aint gonna worship a dead body its paganism and its forbidden in the 10 commandments

[@hamzanasih3581]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363How jesus can save you if he couldn’t save himself?

[@smooth2477]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363you need to repent

[@michaelsommers2356]

"I am what I am, and that's all that I am." -- Popeye the Sailor Man. Was Popeye claiming to be god?

[@stroshow5]

Yes

[@ParanormanActivityCenterCD-ROM]

Look at those arms dude...

[@gloriaf6971]

😂😂😂

[@vhawk1951kl]

Are you claiming to be an adult? No, I rather thought not

[@michaelsommers2356]

@@vhawk1951kl I merely claim that I am what I am, and that's all that I am.

[@thefaithfulchristian2035]

John 14: 8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us. John 14:9 Jesus replied, "Philip, Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father?

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form. Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.

[@HowardHolloman]

God, who created everything, raised the dead, parted a sea, healed lepors, wasn't able to say the words, "I am God, and you are to worship Me." Make it make sense.

[@awecballwin77]

Because the word God didn’t exist then. God introduced himself in genesis “I am who I am” God is “to be, to be” forget the word god. You are trying to categorize something that is beyond space and time. Your question you’re looking for an answer for doesn’t exist. Don’t think of the word god and a category. God is “to be.” When you understand that. You will see the answer to your question is all throughout the Bible

[@avibhagan]

you are suffering from a bad translation , he never said that.

[@avibhagan]

@HalleluYAH7 revelations is the words of John , to the Asians: To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father-to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. 7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”[b] and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c] So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father - Jesuss clearly says that he frres us to serve HIS FATHER, HIS GOD. When Jesus says " “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God ", he is clearly speaking for his Father, and His God. Jesus was not saying that HE is God. And this is the words of Jesus, according to John. So no Jesus did not claim to be God in Revalation 1;8 , Jeusu was CLEARLY saying that , the lord god, his father (Jesus's father, and Jesus's god) said : " I am the Alpha and the Omega"

[@__sw__1]

​@HalleluYAH7notice how all the verses come from John The same exact gospel writer that pushed a burdening tradition of father and son unlike the first three gospels

[@Amin-y6v2r]

The word God was used by Jesus himself in John 17 3" this is eternal life that they may know you the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom YOU SENT"​@@awecballwin77

[@antonyvibe]

As if Revelation 22:13 is not enough "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

[@savepalestiniansnow]

Wrong doctrine 😅

[@MH55YT]

This is the best video by either Alex or Bart. Thank you.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@MH55YT]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Nonsensical replies like yours are why I no longer believe. You just said that if I swear or lie I deserve eternal punishment in a fiery hell. That is non something a loving god would do.

[@RichieB40444]

And always stated he was sent by the Father to do the Father's will. He even stated the the Father who sent him is greater than him so I don't understand how people think he is equal to the Father when he himself said the Father is greater than him who is sent.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

JOHN 3:16-20 (READ IT ALL) . 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”

[@nad0862]

What’s your point you can believe in Jesus, follow his teachings and still not think he is a God but a messiah.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@nad0862 Nah if you don't believe He us God you will go to hell for your sins John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[@nad0862]

It’s so funny cause your response just made my point thanks, just reread what you wrote !! If you believe in him you are saved it’s not written He who believes he is the son of God . Sons of God and children of God are all over the Bible, that does not mean they are literally his children ( and apparently you are not one of them with your foul mouth and ways (« Blessed are the peacemakers for they’ll be called children of God ») m. Lastly you don’t get to say who goes to Hell or not, who do you think you are to claim that, it’s pure blasphemy only God gets to decide.

[@Mrwick97]

​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 John 3:16 is a fabrication and interpolation

[@Darit-zk4pl]

Your dedication to studying the Bible with thoughtfulness and logic is admirable. I suggest you further this journey by delving into the Quran. There, you'll discover intriguing chapters about Mary and Jesus, especially where Jesus explains his teachings on worship. Such study could broaden your perspective and deepen your understanding. Remember to approach this exploration with an open and humble heart. In seeking truth, guidance is invaluable. Should you choose not to engage with the Quran, it's important to reflect on the broader implications of rejecting different perspectives, much like some historical instances where new teachings were dismissed. May God, or Allah as He is known in Islam, guide us all towards the right path. Amin.

[@Junaid_277]

Trinity is the basic of Christianity, he is denying it.

[@Jefff72]

I was raised Lutheran and started questioning this over 20 years ago.

[@nationalguard226]

Islam answer that.

[@federicobiondi431]

check catholic church faters

[@Jamie-mx6ic]

With what? Muhammad fucking a 9 year old named aisha? Get out of here, terrorist​@@nationalguard226

[@johndavolta3124]

​​@@nationalguard226 Islam answers nothing. Is just a convoluted evil cult. Weren't they the ones that crashed four airplanes and killed 2000+ people because they believed the would get 72 virgins?

[@NikolaTesla_369]

​@@nationalguard226answers what? That you get multiple wives in Heaven 😂😂😂😂😂

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Matthew 28:18 (NKJV) And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "ALL AUTHORITY has been given to ME in HEAVEN and on EARTH.

[@vhawk1951kl]

Those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser, they also declare the abuser to be a lunatic Abusers abuse all sorts, who or what remains to be seen or prosecuted.self -abuse like abusing capital letters is like masturbation generally best not done in public.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@vhawk1951kl sorry for that if you feel abused. That wasn't my intention, I come from a country where we don't consider the use of cap letters as an abuse. Sorry for that!

[@PC-vg8vn]

From the very first words of Mark's gospel, Jesus is portrayed as God. Mark, which Ehrman accepts is likely the earliest Gospel, appropriates verses from 2 Old Testament prophets which referred to God/Yahweh and applies them directly to Jesus. Funny that.

[@benjaminwhitley1986]

@PC-vg8vn Just to reiterate Ehrman’s point in reply to your comment here that “Jesus is portrayed as God” is definitely not the same thing as “Jesus claimed to be God” because in the gospel according to Mark or any of the synoptic gospels, Jesus never does. Alluding to or implying that another person is God is not the same as that person claiming to be God. Even in the gospel according to John where Jesus makes allusions to his being divine he also states in John 10 that “those listening to him are gods “elohim”. So, one could deduce or argue from his statement here is that what Jesus thought or claimed about himself was also true of those around him. 🤔

[@hasannawaz228]

​@benjaminwhitley5679 especially when he himself has stated they were messengers before him and they will be messengers after him, all the religious books have been tampered with by anonymous people

[@bigol9223]

@@benjaminwhitley1986 if it wasn't explicitly clear to their audience that the books they wrote documenting Jesus' ministry and crucifixion are framed all throughout by the context of the old testament, they could have just put words in His mouth if the point was to paint a false image.

[@nikostheater]

@@benjaminwhitley1986in Mark, Jesus claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath, to the Pharisees he was arguing with about the observance of the Sabbath. Who’s the Lord of the Sabbath and why?

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Revelation 7:10 (NKJV) and crying out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"

[@vhawk1951kl]

Hmmm Revelation having been written by someone who was either very drunk or doing some very heavy drugs indeed.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@vhawk1951kl People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@TyroneKozlowski]

There is only one way to Heaven, and that’s through Jesus Christ.

[@Chinesemapper403]

😂😂😂

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Chinesemapper403 All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Puketapu]

True. Luckily I don’t believe in either of those things

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@Puketapu I’m for you not against you. Jesus is not some bad Person to Believe nor is He made up (look at all the attention He gets). He is not a hypocrite either. He practiced what He preached. He is Loving but also Just; So, He will punish sinners like any just judge would. But followers of Jesus are exempt because the precious Blood of Jesus atones for their sins.

[@Cyrenaican]

That's a very interesting discussion. Thank you.

[@qqqalo]

14:55 That's literally what they do. The verse after Jesus says "I am", it says "So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple." (John 8:59).

[@r.a5765]

Exactly. It's crazy how baseless his claims are. Same thing with Mark 14:62-64. After Jesus affirms that he is the Messiah, the high priest literally condemns this as blasphemy. The verse goes on to say that they all condemned him as worth of death. Let us pray for Bart. That He would one day acknowledge the truth and reverse the damage he is doing in convincing people of this great lie that Jesus wasn't who He said He was.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@r.a5765 People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.

[@SaadonAksah]

Cant believe how a statement could be interpreted and debated in so many ways 😂

[@jimmyk712]

And that right there is why there are so many denominations of Christianity.

[@0dteESmini]

@@jimmyk712 Satan and man are the reason their are so many denominations. God's perfect Word, if God truly exists and the Word is true, is not that hard to understand. It's been happening since the Israelites and before. spinning God's commandments or Words to their own god or will to enable them to live their own ways... or to impose on others

[@jimmyk712]

@@0dteESmini No, God is responsible for the plethora of denominations, sin and Satan. According to you he created everything with full knowledge of the outcome…so yeah, it’s all on the big G.

[@jimmyk712]

@@0dteESmini is there Bible God’s word?

[@0dteESmini]

@@jimmyk712 God is responsible for creating Angels (Lucifer) and mankind perfect in his image, but mankind and angels are not God themselves. with that perfection came the ability to separate from God and think we can do things better without Him. He did create everything and our ability to transgress from the law (sin) but we are not robots. His plan will still be fulfilled and it's on you to decide where you stand for eternity. Do you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit and live God's will... or is it in your best interest to disagree with your Creator and His plan for us? Just as we didn't decide to be born from our Mother, we do not have option to step away from this game board. You have to make a decision, God's way, or your way (under God's final rules).

[@Iman-b6p]

When Jesus was supposedly crucified, who resurrected him? Who gave him life after death?

[@bonbondurjdr6553]

Death is the consequence of sin. He has not sin, the laws of death do not apply to him.

[@Iman-b6p]

@@bonbondurjdr6553 if he did not die then there was no resurrection.

[@JesusIsWithYouNowPrayToHim]

Read the Gospel of John, Jesus says l take my life and raise it up again!!!! ​@@Iman-b6p

[@vhawk1951kl]

There is just no curing you fcuk-the-commandments anthropomorphic idolaters of your idolatry is there? You cling onto your wretched totem fetish, image or idol like grim death, don’t you?

[@Bloodimpaler]

Did his mother worship him? What about the people around him? There's no such evidence.

[@MathewHolland-b8d]

Hallelujah 🙌🏻!!!!! The daily jesus devotional has been a huge part of my transformation, God is good 🙌🏻🙌🏻. I was owing a loan of $49,000 to the bank for my son's brain surgery, Now I'm no longer in debt after I invested $11,000 and got my payout of $290,500 every month…God bless Mrs Susan Jane Christy ❤️

[@JaniceBowman-z7w]

Hello!! how do you make such monthly, I’m a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down of myself 😭 because of low finance but I still believe God

[@DorothyThompson-yu9fc]

Thanks to my co-worker (Carson ) who suggested Ms Susan Jane Christy

[@DorothyThompson-yu9fc]

She's a licensed broker here in the states🇺🇸 and finance advisor.

[@AndrewHarper-xg9id]

After I raised up to 525k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my son's surgery….Glory to God, shalom.

[@Chamberkevin]

Wow that's nice She makes you that much!! please is there a way to reach her services, I work 3 jobs and trying to pay off my debts for a while now!! Please help me.

[@theunapologeticjew]

11:37 I’m surprised Mr Ehrman has never pointed out that “I am” doesn’t work in Hebrew or Aramaic, only Greek and very few people in the Galilee spoke Greek

[@vhawk1951kl]

the romans spoke Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the roman empire supposedly but nothing can be known of the past. There is simply no way of knowing who spoke what when and where nor how many. You may guess and believe but not know - directly immediately personally experience anything about the past, because the past cannot be verified. What is called history is and can only possibly be, belief, supposition or guesswork because the past cannot be directly immediate personally experienced or known, and that only leaves belief.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@vhawk1951kl thanks for your comment. I disagree that history is simply belief. What I quoted is directly from a well known and respected historian. The not working part is a fact, the Tetragrammaton does not mean I am. Neither Hebrew nor Aramaic have a present tense being verb. I agree with Mr Ehrman though, Jesus never said it. It was added in Greek to his sayings much later. John’s writing is circa 100 CE

[@vhawk1951kl]

@@theunapologeticjew Belief is belief is belief whether it is is the belief of an historian or your or my belief or shit is shit and there is no non-shit shit, or slightly less shitty shit. There is simply no way of knowing what language whoever is being called Jesus spoke. Almost everything about whoever he was is third fourth fifth etc hearsay, and self evidently if Christianity was ever a living tradition it has now died out as such, or if I am wrong about that, it is being kept a very closely guarded secret. It occurs to me that what matters is whatever it was that he taught, not the language in which he taught, about which I have to confess I am more than a little hazy, but I would bet he tried to avoid the god word for obvious reasons.

[@forgivenessseeker2023]

Almighty God said: Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew); ho on (in Greek). Jesus Christ said: Ego eimi (in Greek). Ho on is not ego eimi. How can "ho ōn" even be confused with “ego eimi” on Greek? I believe that Jesus is not claiming to be God, he is claiming to be the Christ or Messiah.

[@theunapologeticjew]

@@forgivenessseeker2023 my Greek is not so good. So you are saying that even in Greek there is a difference between the verbs? Would not have Greek speakers known this? Why is the “I am” utterance in John taken as gospel then? Jesus would have spoken Aramaic. My historian states very little Greek in the Galilee

[@mnoorbhai]

My father is greater than I

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@mnoorbhai]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 And what for him to spank the adulterous people who made him ,God, son of god , worshipped him as a dirty , when he never claimed divinity ..JC will clearly state I cannot do anything with the Lord,s will .and never claimed I am God , worship me .Read your Bible properly without the corrupted trinity concept .

[@Arctic5fox]

I can see you keep cutting and paste the same sentence all over​@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@tspfab7309]

"Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me" Why do you guys think the jews said he was blaspheming? Because he claimed equality with the father.

[@mnoorbhai]

@@tspfab7309 JC pbuh never claimed divinity or said I am God .. He always glorified God as higher power thriu whom he could do things WITH HIS ( GOD's)will and leave .

[@Homegrownmusic591]

He didn't say lots of things because he talked in parables. He called himself I AM .

[@SmalltimR]

He never called Himself I am - stop being silly now The lengths that people must go-to to claim that which isn't written is so terribly embarrassing

[@mrjugurtha4077]

Islam is right then

[@SmalltimR]

Right about what? The truth of matters, does not comes from radical thinking...

[@mrjugurtha4077]

@@SmalltimR it’s right about Jesus not being god

[@SmalltimR]

@@mrjugurtha4077 Yes on that point it is, though that would not the whole truth of matters either. The point in question being, that must be vigilant to avoid hasty generalizations based-on broad assumptions such as; Islam is right about Jesus not being GOD, therefore Islam is right about everything. As it is obvious that there are faiths Christian(and none) that deny Jesus is either equal-to or GOD Himself, and that this in itself does not make them any more reliable or true - ie, the Pharisees in Jesus' day, would also worship the one true GOD)(YHWH), and even to the point where GOD entrusted the LAW into their hands, though as it turns-out, and as Jesus outlined it, they would not prove to be reliable in their servitude in-spite of this, as He then went-on to rebuke them in public forums as children of the devil. Case and point, and while Islam may be right about one thing, it is also obvious that Islam is not right about many things when it comes to Jesus and the salvation provided through Him...

[@mrjugurtha4077]

@@SmalltimR l think Islam is a update from god

[@SmalltimR]

@@mrjugurtha4077 I don't think so - otherwise, it would be harmonious with Jesus' arrival rather than controversial.

[@cyriljoseph7314]

Damn, dude has the biggest hands I’ve seen proportionally 😂👊

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

​@adam909-j9p He had 2 naturs, Manand God at the same time, as Man He had the limotations of a man and He had to become Man in order to die a sacrifice God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@adam909-j9p God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 10:26-28 (NKJV) 26_But you do not believe, because you are NOT of MY SHEEP, as I said to you. 27_MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I KNOW THEM, and THEY FOLLOW ME. 28_And I GIVE them ETERNAL LIFE, and they SHALL NEVER PERISH; neither shall anyone snatch them out of MY HAND.

[@thehoxtontrend]

I have always held this view, God says only worship him, so how can I worship Jesus too, I love and follow jesus and hos followings but I do not worship him, I worship God, the God of Jacob, Isaac and Abraham.

[@hullie7529]

To note, out of the six whole sources that according to him disagree with John, three are completely imaginary and theoretical. But I guess six is a bigger number than three and so more impressive.

[@dingdongism]

I also thought that was just a tad unreasonable to include hypothetical sources along with known manuscripts. i still agree with Bart's overall point, but I don't think that particular version is quite right.

[@Jyyhjyyh]

Yeah he kinda counted Matthew and Luke twice there. But Q being a legit lost text seems probable so I'd say it's four sources

[@scambammer6102]

@@Jyyhjyyh or matt made up the sayings and luke copied him

[@Jyyhjyyh]

@@scambammer6102 Ok yeah that sounds reasonable too

[@Spiritof_76]

How big a number is zero, as in there are zero gods in existence?

[@Roguescout7]

Is no one going to address the fact that it's never mentioned that Jesus rebuked anybody claiming His Lordship?

[@jgoeg8922]

Lord vs God at that time were very different. Many many people were called lord.

[@Roguescout7]

@jgoeg8922 anything about being God in general, is what I mean.

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

Maybe because they didn't know how to CAPS or SHIFT yet? It's probable

[@vytah]

He did, although indirectly: Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. (Luke 18:19) My Father is greater than I (John 14:28)

[@jaromsmiss]

@@vytahLmao no he didn’t, this is such a weak argument

[@dunamismen]

"He wasn't killed for claiming to be God......" 5 minutes later...."If he had been claiming to be God he would've been stoned to death"..... excuse me...what??

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven). If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@adam909-j9pDemons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God RIGHT RELIGION? There are many wrong answers to 2+2, some say 3 others 5 some even say 3.9 9but only Jesus is true and He says 4 Islam considers Jesus a prophet, Hindus consider Jesus a deity who fulfilled prophecy, the Dalai Lama in Buddhism considers Jesus at a high state. Eastern religions mention Christ consciousness. Most religions seem to mention Jesus so what does Jesus say about Himself? John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “; right here Jesus called every religion a lie He is the truth.

[@Kalense]

Great interview. Thanks.

[@tedarcher9120]

More interesting question is did he claim to be the son of Man?

[@Spinozasghost]

Even then, no one in the Old Testament given that title was thought to be God incarnate. Possessing a level of divinity or divine status is not comparable to being the divine incarnate.

[@tedarcher9120]

@@Spinozasghost yes, but did Jesus think that he was prophesying for someone else or for himself?

[@electrical_cord]

I'd read Daniel 7:13-14, then parallel that with Mark 14:62, John 3:13, Luke 5:24; 19:1-10, and Mark 10:45. Jesus was the Son of Man described in Daniel 7 as stated in the first verse in Mark. So interpret that as you will, but it's quite obvious Jesus was the son of Man.

[@diegog1853]

@@tedarcher9120 I think maybe you are already assigning some meaning to the phrase "son of Man", as if it has some apparent grand meanining. But it doesn't have to be. I can say, I am the son of Man, as if, I am the son of Mankind, I am the consequence of mankind before me. I mean "son of man" is mentioned in the old testament and not necessarily as meaning anything spectacular. God called ezechiel son of man multiple times. It could very well be just a poetic way of saying "man". Sure maybe with the "the" particle it could mean something more important, but when you get to so specific parts of language, you have to check the original quote in aramaic. Not the greek translation of a second or third hand witness account. I am just saying that... even if he did, it doesn't necessarily mean he was putting himself as something special.

[@J42337]

​@@SpinozasghostArgument ad populum? Listen, whether people knew exactly who the son of man was (specifically the son of man shown in the vision to Daniel).. It was clear that he was to be a king with divine origins who sits at the right hand of the "Ancient of Days" which is universally understood to be God based on the previous verses of Daniel 7. Christ confirms that he is that son of man in several places in the synoptics, but most notably when he says that he will come in the clouds of heaven and will sit at the right hand of power (dynameōs)(indicating a supernatural power, not a natural one). So whether Christ claimed to be God...or he claimed to be the son of Man... He is not claiming to be a merely human preacher who will die for blasphemy and remain in the grave. He is claiming to be Lord over all of God's creation. At that point, the question shouldn't be "Did Jesus claim to be God" it should be: who is God and who is the son of Man? A thorough searching of the Tanakh with respect to The Angel of the LORD should easily reveal this and it is almost completely parallel with general trinitarian doctrine. I would also add that multiplicity in the Godhead is not a Christian invention. This was a common point of Jewish theology known as "the two powers in heaven" until it was declared a heresy following Yeshua's disciples preaching his resurrection and Lordship.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 11:25 (NKJV) Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.

[@sokary8606]

Do you know the term: ''paraphrase '' ?

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

@@sokary8606 what for bro?

[@fitness6681]

I’ve never understood Bart’s argument here. In Mathew it says, "Who do you say I am?" Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. Added to this The religious leaders of the time push for Jesus death continually accusing him of blasphemy. They hate him healing on a Sabbath but Jesus makes it clear he has the right as He is Lord of the Sabbath. He makes the same claim in Mark 14. Then read about John the Baptist’s response to Jesus. He was preparing the way for him. I just don’t get this argument

[@Engy-vz7fp]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6elf4mfj6xjg80

[@IAMNOTIAMNOTIAMNOT]

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

[@GolfnMoreclips]

Just truthful scriptural understanding. In the (9 ch) The prophet Isaiah writes prophetically concerning the Messianic Kingdom and its King, THAT* Almighty God Yahweh Annionted.. 💯 This Yeshua Hamashiach. Where he is mentioned as a [ "Mighty God"..Or "Mighty One" (hebrew Strong's 410 ) Reference verse -Psalm 45:3] and also "Prince of Peace" -Almighty God is NO one's SERVANT, OR PRINCE, EVER.... 💯 The IMPORTANT PART....Without the very NEXT verse, THIS IS taken out of context.. (Isaiah 9:7b) -The zeal of "Yahweh of Armies will perform this."] 💯 Almighty God Yahweh Will do this for his servant the Son. 💯 (Acts 3:13) NKJV [The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified* His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go] (The Glorified Christ, IS Yahweh's beloved servant) 💯 If you have learned the Bible from the churches of Christiandom ✝️ (false Christianity) you NEED to start reading the CONTEXT before and after the verse you are going to quote trying to prop up paganism the Polytheism of the Trinity Doctrine. ( Triune deities). The truth is simple. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah you people

[@9hoot789]

@@GolfnMoreclips Praying for you ❤

[@GolfnMoreclips]

@9hoot789 I mean, thanks. But do you agree with all the truth found in my comments? If not, what scripture from God's Word do you reject? Thanks for your honesty and concise responses in advance. Sha'lom Aleichem in Christ Hallelujah-Praise Almighty Jah, you people.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

John 3:16 (NKJV) For GOD so LOVED the WORLD that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that WHOEVER BELIEVES in HIM should not PERISH but have EVERLASTING LIFE.

[@bawahtanah4705]

A community that claim jesus is god, they’re even cannot explain this

[@leroy2158]

Jesus' approach was to reveal His divinity through His actions and teachings rather than explicitly saying "I am God" because such a direct statement would have been immediately rejected as blasphemy by many of His contemporaries. Instead, by performing miracles, forgiving sins, and speaking with divine authority, He showed that He was truly God in a way that was undeniable to those who were open to the truth.His statement "I and the Father are one" is indeed a profound claim of unity with God, and many understood it as such, which is why it led to such strong reactions from the religious leaders of the time. Through these actions and words, Jesus revealed the truth of His divine nature in a way that allowed those who were ready to see and believe to recognize Him for who He truly was. So me a favor and read these John 1:1-14 John 8:58 John 10:30 Mark 2: 5-7 John 14:61-64

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

@@leroy2158 In heaven no unclean person is allowed in, you are unclean if you have sinned just once like lying, stealing, sexual immorality, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, evil thoughts etc Jesus (God manifest in the flesh) can put his sinless righteousness on you since He died on the cross, rose from the dead so REPENT AND BELIEVE IN HIM TODAY.

[@leroy2158]

@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 yes I have 🙏🏻 thank you

[@_ben_miller]

you are ignorant of the prophetic lore within the "Christian" worldview. Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man, a term from Daniel's prophecy/vision 400 years prior chapter 7:13-14, "13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." this is a vision of the same thing that isaiah was told around 100 years prior chapter 9:6-7 "6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this."

[@HasanRony-wv3xd]

Jesus , Moses ,Muhammed ,David, Adam , Ibrahim all are messenger of Allah

[@TheRealCSD6]

Thomas called Jesus "My Lord, and my God," and Jesus replied "Now you believe? Blessed are those who believe without seeing." If he wasn't God he would have said not to call Him that. He refers to Himself as the 'I AM' multiple times which led to the jews to wanting to stone him all the time. Multiple times it's said his followers worshipped him and Jesus never stops them. And he claims oneness with God multiple times. This argument that he wasn't atleast implying that he's God is ridiculous.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@Daniel_Deen]

What about the God that jesus prayed to? If we repent to God (the spirit) who jesus prayed to, do you think jesus will condem you for that? The father is greater than man right? It was God the spirit that brought jesus back after 3 days. In my opinion, you cant go wrong when you worship God in spirit and not the man. Im on a spiritual journey and asking as many questions as i can on subjects im not familiar with. ​@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Actually God as the Holy Spirit helps you repent and pray and guides you to Jesus. Jesus is the one who reconciles us with the Father.

[@Daniel_Deen]

@@TheRealCSD6 why does he guide you to Jesus?

[@TheRealCSD6]

@Nasir.Ali33 Because that was what Jesus said The Spirit was being sent for. Jesus was the one who was sacrificed and died for our sins. He said no one comes to father except through Him and He is the way, the truth, and the life. The Holy Spirit is God like the Father and the Son but each has a different role in your salvation. One cannot truly live by the Holy Spirit if one denies the Father or the Son and vice versa. For example one can say they have Jesus as their lord but if they reject the Holy Spirit then they are committing a sin. And if one Rejects Jesus then he says they reject thr Father as well.

[@sebastiannechita4483]

You should bring Richard Carrier on your podcast next.

[@matswessling6600]

absolutely!

[@MoremItzum]

Agree!

[@TestifyApologetics]

Yikes

[@christianaspas]

That would really lower the quality and credibility of the channel

[@matswessling6600]

@@christianaspas why? because you doesnt like what Carrier has shown?

[@mamajan99]

The Father is greater than I" Jn 14:28

[@bestkrystal1349]

"Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find REST FOR YOUR SOULS. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matthew 11:29-30 "Truly my SOUL FINDS REST IN GOD; my salvation comes from him. Truly he is my rock and my salvation; he is my fortress, I will never be shaken." - Psalm 62:1-2 Jesus here quotes a phrase from Psalms 62:1, pointing out a relationship between him and God!

[@ArthurWuYeah211]

Ehrman's right that only the Gospel of John has Jesus claiming himself to be God, but the other sources do have him claiming some divinity (though not on full equality with God). Jesus notes himself as the "Son of God", which is either taken literally (as with most Christians) or taken just as a symbol of praise. If we accept the second thesis, then Peter, Mark, and Matthew should also be called "Sons of God", but obviously the title's meaning for Jesus is distinguished from the title's meaning for anyone else. Jesus explicitly claims Godhood in John, but claims some loosely-construed form of divinity in the other Gospels while even submitting to God in the personhood of the Father. Since Christians are not polytheists and affirm the existence of only one God, there cannot be some "lesser" form of divinity in Christian doctrine but only a single divinity, so it makes sense to simply state Jesus was "God", which Paul elaborates on in Philippians 2:6. The understanding of Jesus as completely equal to the Father is a misrepresentation of Trinitarian dogma. Trinitarians believe that Jesus had divinity, the Father had divinity, and the Holy Spirit had divinity. There only exists one divinity since God is one, so Jesus' divinity is equal to the Father's divinity. Yet Jesus still submits himself to the Father on basis of his human nature, so Jesus is also subordinate to the Father. Trinitarians don't claim to know how specifically this subordination happens, but it's logical to call Jesus God if he claims any form of divinity at all, even if it isn't direct Godhood, otherwise Trinitarians would be polytheistic.

[@MathewThomasFET]

Read the epistles. Php. 2; Titus. Etc. Jesus before the Sanhedrin in the gospels. Mk. 2 - Being Lord of the Sabbath. Lk. 7 - forgiving sins. (The reaction of those present - who can forgive sins except God). Try to understand that Jesus was accused of claiming to be God which His accussers said is blasphemy. They, in His time, understood what He was saying. Why don't you ❓

[@osman7900]

Since the original of bible is not English, it is quite possible that “son” and “father” were incorrect translations.

[@ArthurWuYeah211]

​@@osman7900 If I recall correctly, terms like "Son of Man" are best understood in their meaning when cross-referenced with other parts of the Bible, specifically, the Old Testament, which talk about these terms in a bit more detail. It does not simply imply prophethood or being the messiah, it implies something deeper in the Old Testament.

[@osman7900]

@@ArthurWuYeah211 even within the Old Testament, the word that is translated as “son” may actually have different meanings in different contexts. In addition, considering that the original languages of the Old Testament and the New Testament are different, I am not sure how reliable cross-referencing those terms can be. I am kind of pre-opinionated regarding this issue. No offence intended.

[@ArthurWuYeah211]

@@osman7900 No worries about offence, we are all trying to reach the truth in the best way we can. Thanks for the conversation. While the languages used was different (Hebrew vs Aramaic and Koine Greek), the authors of the New Testament were intentional about cross-referencing what they referred to as the scriptures in their revelations. So even though there is a language barrier, in my view it is reasonable to assume that cross-references mean a similar thing.

[@RhubarbEnjoyer]

Matthew 14:33 - Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly, you are the Son of God"

[@TheExistenceClass0]

Nay GOD is Daughter of JESUS

[@TheExistenceClass0]

But They wanted The Son Thats Why they Did This To him

[@Munawar.ahamed]

A great information. How religion and sayings of Phrophets has been distorted along the way by certain people for their advantage.

[@HalleluYAH-b5d]

Yes, it has. And Jesus DID say He was God.

[@Mohammed-np7mo]

​@@HalleluYAH-b5di am sorry he is not he is the greatest prophet he is the word of god. He was mentioned more than Mohammed In quran

[@HalleluYAH-b5d]

Heh? I never said Jesus was a prophet..I know He is The Word of God...He is God and The Father is God and The Holy Spirit is God.@@Mohammed-np7mo

[@Junaid_277]

​@@Mohammed-np7moPeace be upon them both.

[@prostateexamfailure6508]

​@@Mohammed-np7mohe was God and it would be obvious to you if you ever consider reading the bible.

[@Mike-qt7jp]

Hebrews 1:1-8 says, " God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they... But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him." And of the angels He says: “Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.” But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;" Jesus doesn't need to call Himself God, the Father does.

[@shrinivaaspillai6327]

Jesus never claimed to be God but he knew Isaiah 9:6,isn't it?

[@brokeboiacey5674]

Isiah 9:6 is a mistranslation

[@shrinivaaspillai6327]

@@brokeboiacey5674 give me a correct translation in English.

[@greatmusic142]

lmao ur an indian name should have been a hindu or buddhist instead, way better than christianity🤣🤣

[@anonanonanon2868]

@@shrinivaaspillai6327 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGKthZVtpqyqnassi=8eYbgxtjjCvTr1UP

[@anonanonanon2868]

@@shrinivaaspillai6327Tovia Singer has almost a photographic memory and knows the old and New Testament word for word it’s very freaky how knowledgable he actually is .

[@jobarryderafera6063]

It’s because his mission was to do the will of His Father and not his own. Being humble was one the great teachings of the gospel.

[@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363]

All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY

[@_ben_miller]

that's not a teaching of the gospel. the gospel is defined in the bible as, "christ in you, the hope of glory"

[@johnrangi4830]

I could never figure out why people think anyone who is reasonable thinking would call themselves a god. Obviously if anybody did believe they were a god they would have to be cautious. Especially if they're going to say it out loud. people would consider it blasphemy. People would pick stones and be ready to kill him in that period of history. I believe some people would consider it to be justified by God in modern times, I have heard some Christian talking about how people could be stoned to death for blasphemy. that's one of the reasons I have always thought about it and asked why would he do that, but no one had a good answer or silenced me as a child. I didn't doubt that God exist when I was growing up because I was forced to believe otherwise I would receive a beating, We were slaves at their command. Why would anybody think that is a decent way of treating any human? Does that not sound like indoctrination, I think it's very similar. what do you think?

[@JP-sm4cs]

Buddy your trauma is really obscuring your thought process here

[@johnrangi4830]

@@JP-sm4cs how?

[@jacobalexander4167]

​@@johnrangi4830you really aren't thinking straight, maybe due to pasy experience or so, but I you suggesting we throw away all records of early fathers of the church and even the testimony of roman officials that weren't even Christians too just to buy what you're selling

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 I think there is nothing wrong with my critical thinking thank you. I noticed you are busy trying to hunt for excuses. Here's an idea don't pretend you know something about a person when you don't. My state of mind is my business and you don't have access to it so don't pretend you know anything because obviously you can't read someone else's mind.

[@johnrangi4830]

@@jacobalexander4167 perhaps you should stop relying on church fathers and worry about if there is any truth to what the Bible says in the first place. There is no point agreeing with a bunch of humans until evidence can be provided. No evidence no reason to believe.

[@emmanuelmwakibolwa735]

Colossians 1:13-19 (NKJV) 13_He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14_in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins. 15_He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16_For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17_And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18_And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. 19_For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,