I TESTED Corsets vs. Knives (For Science!)

We tested the Enola Holmes corset stab and The Nevers corset slash and...well. You'll see.
Obviously we tried it on a dummy, not a real person, because that would be ludicrous. Thanks to Kiss Me Deadly for the corset test patch! You can find them on KZbin: / kissmedeadlylingerie
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[@bernadettebanner]

I AM *HERE* FOR THIS SCIENCE

[@Elizabeth-pc2yx]

😂 science for the win!!!!

[@emeline1199]

I love your channel!!!!

[@Thekidfromcalifornia2.0]

I was about a comment where is Bernadette

[@thelastblackcat9937]

:o two cool people

[@aoifebambury7326]

Please collab at some point?

[@valhatan3907]

Anything is justified if you say: 1. I'm a youtuber 2. It's for science

[@kilianortmann9979]

The difference between science and fooling around, is writing it down. I guess the video counts as documentation, so technically this is science. Small sample size and less than ideal control of variables, but still.

[@christopherbacon1077]

3: Nobody actually gets hurt.

[@julesverne4339]

@@christopherbacon1077 ameture civilian. 😈 Live Forever and Prosper, Christopher Bacon.

[@jeremiahbell6129]

@@christopherbacon1077 Yeah... history doesn't agree with you there.... ;)

[@star_ags]

3. I am a writer

[@mirimiriela480]

If you do get stabbed in a corset, DO NOT TAKE IT OFF BEFORE YOU GET TO THE HOSPITAL. The corset does a better job of applying pressure to limit blood loss than bystanders can! See: Elisabeth, empress of Austria and Hungary

[@toomanymarys7355]

I love how sincere this is, as if this is something we will actually face....

[@vilwarin5635]

There is a chapter in the modern Sherlok adaptation (Benedict C) where a man (wearing gala military suit) is stabbed and Sherlock tells him to not take of his waistband because he could bleed to death without the pressure

[@sorelyanlie2784]

@@vilwarin5635 I was thinking of literally this exact same thing.

[@rev.rachel]

Super valid. And if you break your arm in armour, leave the vambrace on as a splint.

[@coor0kun]

Came for this comment, was not disappointed!

[@Nargon46]

What I love about the books is that, after Cutter (the villain in the first novel) tried stabbing Enola to death and fails, he did slash the side enough to expose some of the steel tips. She uses that later to cut herself free when she is tied up. And in all of the subsequent books, she wears that same corset every time she goes sleuthing, adding a high necked collar that saves her from a garrot, and a dagger hidden in the bosom disguised as a brooch. Enola in the books is the most fashionable one-woman-swat-team in London.

[@aurorameyer159]

Oh my goodness, someone else has read the books!!!

[@nathaniel3102]

@@aurorameyer159 I have them on my “To be read” shelf, as I have a list of other series to get through first. It’s such a tragedy 🎭 (PS to the original poster: thanks for the spoiler 😖 lol)

[@liv97497]

Are they good books? I really liked the movie, but I figured the books were geared towards a much younger audience. But you really piqued my interest 🤔

[@aurorameyer159]

@@liv97497 They are aimed at a younger audience, but I really loved them when I read them. This was several years ago, though. I remember watching the film and being a little confused that they left out some characters, but it's possible that they were introduced a bit later. I've been meaning to reread them, they're short and quick, and I want to see if they hold up. I don't know that they will, but I feel like they might. And I think there was a lot more emphasis on codes in the books, which appeals very strongly to me!

[@Nargon46]

@@liv97497 the books are excellent! I also thought they would be for younger people, but they actually have a very similar vibe to the movie. Expect a kinda Harry Potter level of "kid friendly". They contain kidnapping, murder, poverty, starvation, violent action, chases, blood and violent injury, puzzles, intrigue, disguise and false identity, clever and snappy dialog, and really feels like an accurate representation of Victorian London. Warts and all. It is perfectly self contained over six books, all of which you could easily read in a day or two. And the ending is terribly satisfying. The first book has similarities to the film, but the film has a more solid, embellished version the suit the medium. I definitely recommend them! I hope the second movie is as good as the first!

[@sv003]

*Me, who has never and shall probably never require protection from stabbing* : Guess it's time to buy a steel-boned corset that's densely boned~~~ 🤷‍♀️

[@duskyrc1373]

With two layers! Just in case of being stabbed in the gap.

[@aidenpearce6624]

I wonder if there is a market for densly double layered steel-boned clothing options for man... just in case I get knife attacked, while attending a wedding... or a funeral. this kind of clothing should support some bullet proof plates, too. Just in case.

[@beccag2758]

I agree, honestly wondering if a sort of steel boned pseudo corset could be a decent fantasy armor idea? I’d imagine it would weigh a lot less and be way quieter than chain mail, and it would give a lot of bust support if your heroine is on the run. Wearing it to battle might not be great, but for a more swash buckling rogue character, it might work?

[@musickeeper1062]

@@beccag2758 I was totally thinking the same thing!

[@steamcastle]

@@SimonWoodburyForget well as someone who did wear a corset daily for a people of some time (helped with some back problems), I would think that the spreading the force out thereby moving the whole body instead of compressing the guts. And no you can not come by and hit me with and without my corset to see if there is a difference.

[@dipnitty8184]

I think I can add to this, my expertise is in textiles. I would argue that the material of the fabric (silk, cotton, etc.) isn't as important in a test like this as the way the fabric is woven, as this really affects the structure and overall durability. The fabric that makes up Enola's dress and the fashion corset appears to be jacquard fabrics, which are usually tightly woven, dense, and highly structured making them more difficult to cut than standard plain-woven cotton or silk (hence why you often see this fabric used for historical garments and table-cloths).

[@ShadeSlayer1911]

This is the expertise I'm here for.

[@LucysCorsetry]

There are several fascinating newspaper clippings from the early 20th century that report cases of corsets (somewhat) protecting the wearer from deep stabs from stalkers or during domestic disputes. Some of them do mention surface wounds, but not lethal wounds. I was pleasantly surprised that Enola Holmes would take inspiration from these as I was half expecting the same tired narrative.

[@saraeugenia3767]

❤️

[@richardprice5978]

but is it bulet resistance ( some had 45 acp listed or a old weak charged 12 gauge shotgun slug / rifle as the perpetrators weapon ) like the old news papers / old people said?? cause now it know girls are safer with knives 🔪 aka body amor and it's more practical than caring a gun 90% of the time 🤔🤔

[@sorelyanlie2784]

Love how the positive corsetry gang is coming out en-masse in this comment section. Lucy, you were the reason I bought my first corset six years ago-- thanks for helping me get rid of my ever-present back pain and sciatica issues :)

[@NM-wd7kx]

@@richardprice5978 back in the era you're talking more .32s, and smaller pocket pistols

[@richardprice5978]

@@NM-wd7kx mostly true ( as guns like the earlier weboley revolvers was sold in .32 🤔 but was common enough for .45 acp i believe as well and colt was first chambered in.45 and was solded in 1850or70-today ish and was helped by the usa's and others government contracts as others guns were too. plus 45-70 government round by 1870 or 80 ) but up to .75 did exist and sawed off shotgun aka stage coach guns did to and where in common usage and most of the rounds used blackpowder or were designed around it up into ww2 ish era. so its not unreasonable for a 45acp round to be used ( or one that is ballistic similar to it ) but more than likely it's lightly loaded for today's standards with smokeless powder fps/stopping energy 💥

[@ZearthGJL]

"This enraged the seamstress, who punished her severely."

[@beccag2758]

Dude. _Supremely_ uncool 😂

[@Stricken-Zero]

There's a tax for that

[@justanotherdamnerd4434]

“OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”

[@aquila873]

Don't worry, I have a plan! We run... away

[@someotherworldlybeing3167]

@@aquila873 sir, your a genius

[@johnfry1011]

Knowing something of corset construction I found this fascinating even if the results are close to what I’d expect, though I’ll admit to being slightly surprised by how well the panelled corset stood up to the slashing! And thank you for continuing to answer the questions we never knew we had!

[@rogerwilco2]

Yes, I also never knew that I needed to know this, but I am glad I do now, and will see if I can put it to use in one of my upcoming pen-n-paper RPG games.

[@rebeccafoster-faith6647]

I am a science teacher and I used your original "can you fight in a corset?" Video for my students as an example of scientific method but not science. (Answers the "when am I ever going to use this?" Question). Love that I now have a Chapter 2.

[@anthonynorman7545]

What is science if not the application of the scientific method?

[@raraavis7782]

I bet, your students love you 😄

[@bramvanduijn8086]

@@anthonynorman7545 Getting your paper published?

[@melz6625]

@@bramvanduijn8086 pretty sure Ancient Greeks did science without any publication companies ripping off students while not paying the scientific authors

[@outoforder8791]

@@anthonynorman7545 I think the issue here is that "fighting in a corset" is not a field of science? Even though that experiment could technically be related to "(fashion) history", which is a field of science. However, the fighting style in her video and the corset she wore weren't (supposed to be) historically accurate. So she didn't actually try to recreate an actual event from the past. I think that is why it's not science.

[@WardNightstone]

there is also something else to consider Lindhorn was using a knife of a different shape AND Enola grabs his wrist it's POSSIBLE both of those factors would change things

[@bullzebub]

Also that kitchen knife probably have better steel

[@billionai4871]

@@bullzebub I don't think the quality of the steel would interfere that much with the stabbing. It could change how well the knife holds an edge, but it's safe to assume if the knife easily goes blunt he'd sharpen it frequently, or it could change it so the knife is more likely to break, which didn't happen. Other than that I don't see it having much of an effect in the stabbage; at least,. not as much as the shape and grabbing the wrist would

[@eb33]

I was gonna say, she quite visibly takes some of the force when she grabs his wrists, and its definitely at the end of his swing arc so it does seem like itd make quite the difference

[@bullzebub]

@@billionai4871 WELL.. the point is the weakest part of a knife. and if the point has rolled theni think you would get alot of difference..

[@billionai4871]

@@bullzebub yes, if the point had stopped being pointy, she'd be safe, but centuries before the time period in this movie people had been doing stabby tools out of bronze (which is much more malleable than steel) and getting away with it. I don't think we'd have unlearned how to do a pointy metal thing in that time period

[@khathaway414]

Poor Annie Skywalker. Still she preformed well.

[@drrocketman7794]

I thought it would be funny as Manikin Skywalker....

[@mikedrop4421]

@@drrocketman7794 it is Manakin Skywalker. Jill is calling her Mannie not Annie

[@JillBearup]

You’re both right? Mannequin Skywalker’s nickname is Ani 😁

[@Squossifrage]

@@mikedrop4421 srsly how did you miss the “Annie are you OK” joke at 0:27

[@mikedrop4421]

@@Squossifrage I didn't miss the joke I assumed she modified it to be Mannie since it's name is Mannie and with her accent I couldn't tell exactly which she said

[@nbell63]

"I want to stab a corset but not, like, a whole Victorian reproduction corset because that would be - " waistful. 😀 (not even going to apologise).

[@olwynlamberti]

@@josephine.france5 the commenter purposely put waistful, it's a pun.

[@daaaah_whoosh]

You look at old dagger manuals, and there's quite a lot of stabbing and not a lot of slashing. Clothing is pretty good at stopping slashing attacks, there's even cases where Russians with heavy coats could withstand cuts from cavalry sabers.

[@kiwaa]

Whoa

[@SharmClucas]

Makes sense. Layers of things are often the best form of protection. Gambeson is a type of armor and it's basically a coat that's just layers of linen fabric.

[@raraavis7782]

I'm not surprised. If it can withstand Russian winter, I'm sure, it can deal with a bit of slashing 😉

[@healinggrounds19]

The Chinese had great armor that were layers of paper.

[@Omniseed]

@@SharmClucas High quality gambeson were almost like pre-kevlar

[@insanitysportal6692]

Well...this explains why both Enola and her attacker were surprised when she lived...

[@guilhermecruz9891]

So, answering Michael Jackson, Ani is NOT ok.

[@WarmLillie]

It better to take a stab at something than a few slashes…

[@kidthorazine]

yeah, that's knife fighting 101, you always thrust and generally never cut. Slashing with a knife leaves you wide open and isn't terrible likely to cause more than superficial damage to your opponent.

[@rottenmeat5934]

Better to put your all into one solid thrust than reveal yourself as just another hack.

[@angeldude101]

Wait a minute... _What are YOU doing here‽_ I thought you were mostly in gaming channels.

[@raininscotland]

So when I'm in my fully steel boned corset I'm fairly stab proof? Nice. I don't know what to do with this information, but I'm glad I have it

[@javascap6258]

A fully steel boned corset? At that point, aren't you basically walking around in a suit of fancy torso armor?

[@raininscotland]

@@javascap6258 nah, it's surprisingly flexible where it needs to be. It's also an underbust corset, so not as restrictive as an overbust would be. It's made to be worn daily while going about your everyday activities. Pretty much the same way a Victorian or Edwardian one would be, except with steel instead of whale bone

[@CantankerousDave]

0:27 - I see what you did there, you smooth criminal.

[@josephkarl2061]

I believe the line goes "You've been struck by a smooth criminal", not "You've been slashed, stabbed and hacked at by a smooth criminal", but we'll let that slide this time 😉🤣🤣

[@mikebengougam1438]

Hey, so while watching your companion video on Nebula, I decided to freeze it on the moment where Enola is incredulously checking the way that her corset saved her life, because I thought I had seen something. That thing was a slight scoring to the left of the break in the corset, which would support your theory that the knife struck the Busk and slid slightly, absorbing the impact. Just something I noticed. In any case, love your videos.

[@seidmadr2024]

Another lovely thing is that Holmes seemed surprised that she wasn't stabbed. She seemed to assume that a stab would get through the corset, but she was lucky, and the film acknowledges that!

[@AskMia411]

It's straight out of the books actually! After the first book, Enola turns her corset into the perfect Murder Dress /armor. Hidden sheath in the bodice, the knife hilt disguised as a broach, stuffs the bust and hips with supplies (she's younger and skinnier than film Enola) , and the steel bones of the corset are her armor. I highly recommend the books, even if they're technically for a younger audience, they still hold up!

[@ZulqarnainAidil]

Jill holding a knife and smiling creepily? Click

[@Inlelendri]

Red hair, distinct glasses, evident enthusiasm - it's Mythbusters, for swords. Also, I hope you one day go to a formal event in the fashion corset just to tell the most outrageous story you can if someone asks you about the cuts. Please?

[@andreagriffiths3512]

Oh yes and film it!…for content, likes, subscribes…💕

[@beccag2758]

Always a good idea to test corsets’ stab resistance for science! I hope Bernadette and/or Karolina see the video😂

[@brianfuller7691]

Science!! It's interesting that there were actual recorded cases of ladies surviving attacks thanks to corsets. Thanks for great videos

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Or at least surviving for a little bit longer, like with empress Sisi of Austria’s assassination attempt

[@adelaaire8861]

The only way i can explain the corset cutting so cleanly in the Nevers is that Drew was wearing a corded corset. 'Cause something tells me that a knife will slash across encased yarn easier than it will a double layer of whalebone. Also , hey ! Petrucio's back again 😋😄

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Given the shape that she gets out of her corset, I doubt that it’s purely corded. And that area of the corset (the side front, at about the waist) would have been boned. It’s from the late 1890s, not the 1830s or 1840s. While cording was still very popular, I don’t think True was wearing a fully corded corset- especially as we see her other corsets in the series, and they’re most definitely boned.

[@sorelyanlie2784]

@@katherinemorelle7115 very true. There may have also been some cording for shape at the waist, hips or bust, but in this period the structural boning elements we're almost always (as in I can't really think of an exception myself, but there probably is one) whalebone. I do question the validity of the test considering how heavily boned this sample is, though. While I'm sure it would offer some additional protection in the case of a knife fight, you'd have to sort of get lucky to be stabbed directly over a bone in order the experience the benefits of that.

[@mx.noname4710]

I mean there were also paper-boned corsets. Well, there was at least one; no clue how popular they actually were but I remember it as a neat idea

[@morgand.3809]

I felt so sorry for the pretty black corset. As in "No, don't hurt the poor thing, what did it ever do to you?" Also: loved your earrings.

[@mikedrop4421]

I feel like we are so lucky nowadays to have Jill here occupying her rightful place in the global online community of English speaking fantasy/sci-fi /comics /video game/history and literature obsessed nerds . As a stereotypical straight dude I've never put much thought into things like costume specific issues of female characters with the obvious exception of armor and shoes because we've all had that conversation about fantasy boob armor and 6 inch tactical stilettos. While those topics/items need the female perspective Jill takes it up another level by sharing her hard earned combat, stunt and production knowledge with us. Thankfully it looks like everyone is being kind and respectful towards her from what I've seen although being a pretty lady that's outnumbered 20 to 1 presents it's own unique challenges for her unfortunately but this community is full of smart people who appreciate chivalry so hopefully we keep the simping to a minimum lol. Well Jill if you happen to read this I apologize for the rambling mess! Thank you for stepping up to supply some much needed female representation along with your expertise. I appreciate all the effort you put into crafting scenarios, developing and testing theories like in this video.

[@LeahDino32]

Literally just about to get to the point in my fic where a knife-y assassin comes at the corset wearing protagonist, so I may have shrieked a little when I opened KZbin to see this

[@BryonStice]

I'm not convinced that a high quality steel boned corset isn't just a fashionable version of brigandine.

[@zenogias01]

I suspect if you want to get serious about using a corset as armor, a layer of stiffened leather over the body of the corset or between the two layers of ribs (plus, of course, steel) would both look good and provide a far bit of easily-concealed protection. It would benefit men, too, since it wouldn't be difficult to design one to fit your average man's frame and he'd get a bonus bit of back support along with protection from stabs.

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

Old school fans will recognize Petruchio in this video. Nice to know that corsets can double as defensive armor! LOL

[@WarmLillie]

Just because it’s good enough to wear, doesn’t mean it’s good protection.

[@Gunni1972]

You can always wear an armor plate carrier over it. The corset will help carrying the additional weight.

[@michellebyrom6551]

If it protects against otherwise initially lethal strikes and keeps you alive long enough to get medical aid then I'd say its adequately done its job.

[@RobKinneySouthpaw]

Is it manikin Skywalker because no arms or legs?

[@aoifebambury7326]

It is! This was definitely covered on the tiktok account it might be on here

[@billionai4871]

"There are these very significant gaps between boning", I'm not sure if this is the correct term, supposed to be a joke-y way of saying it or a jab at my romantic life. Regardless, FOR SCIENCE, I will take that jab

[@deeraz]

"There are these very significant gaps between boning" I felt that. 😄 I apologize, I will let myself out.

[@biologybrain]

Yay another video!!

[@Ignoremepls628]

Well, I'm early and the pressure for a good comment is stressing me out

[@Nina-gi9eu]

Your comment is good enough

[@jessicaclakley3691]

I punched that notification button so hard I nearly punched through a steel busque

[@anna_alexandra]

I think corsets might be useful even in stabbing. Wouldn't corset work as a compression bandage that would stop or at least slow down bleeding? Please, nobody try this. Even for science :)

[@PhoenyxAshe]

I wonder how you could test this -without- using a living subject... fake blood packets don't quite properly emulate real bleeding rate or the effects of compression (I think).

[@marys.9367]

I believe there is actually record of a lady getting stabbed while wearing her corset and dying after taking it off because it stopped holding in her blood. Can't for the life of me remember where I heard that, maybe a Karolina Żebrowska video? but definitely possible!

[@KissMeDeadlyLingerie]

There are historical cases of this, most notably Empress Elizabeth. But you tended to bleed out and die when you took your corset off :)

[@AnnekeOosterink]

@@marys.9367 Yeah, Empress Elizabeth of Austria most notably.

[@manicmuffin]

You'd just as likely die from bloodloss once you've removed the corset, or from subsequent infection if the wound wasn't immediately fatal.

[@adonvonilesere5642]

If you use steel bones that closely together, then you've almost made brigandine armor.

[@dnf-dead]

Can I mention again that you need "For Science "on various pieces of merchandise

[@taebias]

"Annie, are you ok?" 🤣🤣🤣 Dang it Jill! You got me again!

[@JanPospisilArt]

A narrowly spaced steelbone corset is essentially splint armour.

[@redactedasmr6079]

I'm either impressed or disappointed or both it took me until 6:43 to chuckle at all the boning talk. Well done Jill! :)

[@NickHoad]

Proof if proof were needed that my mind is absolute filth, I found the phrase "boning channel" very very funny. I'm also really pleased my suggestion of Mannequin Skywalker actually got used.

[@cosmicriptid]

In the A Song of Ice and fire fanfic I am writing right now, I really enjoy having fashion that incorporates an amount of armor, like weaving in steel and having double layers of tightly woven fabric

[@IsisAlv]

i love that you were able to demonstrate the math

[@Vesperitis]

All these mentions of boning, and nobody had the wherewithal to yell "PHRASING".

[@MotoCat91]

3:25 "..but there are these very significant gaps between boning.." Ah, so a bit of a dry spell eh? This entire video is phrasing and I love it

[@pencilpauli9442]

Who would have thought corset bone stabbery would be such fun Well Jill, obviously. And she was jolly well right!

[@LuxisAlukard]

2:00 "It is science!" In moments like this, I have a feeling Jill is female version of Lindybeige. Great video, I really liked it!

[@kenbrown2808]

like lindybeige only more colorful.

[@ItsMoonsty]

It's for science! and also very useful for anyone who is writing/will write or create any type of fight scene including women (or men wearing a corset, I will support any given reasons)

[@steveholmes11]

I'm reminded of something from ancient Chinese battles against "Northern Barbarians". The suggestion was that fibres in raw/unspun silk would bunch up around an arrow-point and prevent damaging injuries.

[@grutarg2938]

One of the captions on the video was [stabby noises and laughter] and I think that perfectly encapsulates this channel and everything wonderful about it.

[@charliechaori182]

Your face of disappointment when stabbaing that manaquin was pure gold

[@Zapporah85]

I'm so absolutely thrilled to see Jill getting so many views! She does, and has deserved it for a long time! Love these videos and all your work!

[@dorteweber3682]

I just used that scenario in a book and changed the point of impact from the boning to the busk because I thought a stabbing weapon might actually get through the boning. glad to know I was right! Thank you, Jill Bearup!

[@patgreen8619]

Absolutely a fan of tiny house videos -- I have a whole playlist of them. The only problem is, I'd need a second house for my books!

[@PhoenyxAshe]

I'd need three, no, four. One for the spouse and I, one for the books, one for my studio, and one for his office. But yeah, I have a massive Pinterest section devoted to them as well.

[@thefaboo]

A tiny library!

[@MDMoore6]

I have to share this with my daughter, who is fascinated with fashion history and who constantly lectures me when I say incorrect things about corsets…

[@timy9197]

Myth busters for fight choreography is definitely not something I’d expect I’d see a lot of on KZbin but this is fascinating.

[@Caseytify]

She said "boning..." 😄😂 On a more serious note, the corset reminds me of the technique the Japanese used in building their samurai armor, which was designed to defend against slashing attacks.

[@fayept]

it doesn't even matter to me what this video is actually about, it just has my two of my favorite topics: corsets and knives

[@dariascott2267]

Now, I already had the idea for a character that is wearing a fully steel boned battle corset, but now this leaves me wondering: What about corsets versus swords? Bows? Crossbows? My fantasy/Victorian battle bird lady needs to know! (also I may or may not because I enjoy watching corsets get stabbed for whatever reason, keep up the good work!)

[@gigabyte2248]

Depends on the sword - a curved sword like a scimitar will probably behave like a knife slash, a thrusting sword like a rapier will probably behave like a knife stab. Bows and crossbows will *definitely* behave like a knife stab - they are a lot more deadly than fiction would have you believe. For missile weapons, in general, only the best armour will offer any substantial degree of protection, and you really need a shield instead of armour.

[@dariascott2267]

@@gigabyte2248 Good points! but with swords there are also other factors like the thickness of the blade and the resistance that it would face as it's penetrating because it would inevitably hit one of the bones, so it might draw blood just fine but struggle to get to internal organs. But with swords you can put a lot more heft behind them than a kitchen knife. Also, with bows and crossbows it might depend on the range, however I would not doubt that a crossbow that is not at maximum distance could do decent damage to the boning and at least leave some heavy bruising from the impact. Projectile weapons are deadly either way, however because she is a bird I hope that she would have at least a bit more mobility then your average soldier. Either way, the corset is supposed to be light armor and she would not practically wear anything heavier than chainmail because she needs to fly.

[@Duiker36]

For seeing how armor holds up against bows/crossbows, I'd recommend the channel Tod's Workshop. (Apparently the channel for similar tests with swords is Skallagrim, but I haven't watched those videos.)

[@dariascott2267]

@@Duiker36 Really? I'll need to check it out!

[@gigabyte2248]

@@dariascott2267 I have many questions and thoughts. How does your bird lady fight? Does she use projectile attacks from long-range, or melee weapons from the air in swooping attacks? Or does she fight mostly from the ground and only fly in kinda super-jumps? Does she have arms *and* wings or just wings? A flying combatant is wide open to projectile attacks - a single opponent will struggle to hit a flying target at medium-to-long range, but they'll be a lot more accurate as their target swoops in, and a group of archers shooting in a volley will *definitely* take out flying targets en masse. Add to that, wings are a huge target and a one-hit-kill - even a small wing injury will probably cause your flier to crash, probably violently enough to render them incapable of fighting. I would recommend that your bird lady wear layered fabric armour (gambeson) or hardened leather armour (if appropriate to the setting), possibly with the boned corset underneath too. A helmet is a must for proper combat and, if she makes swooping/diving attacks, add hard (metal) armour on her shoulders and possibly the bony edge of the wings and the upper chest, so that only metal-armoured parts are facing the target during a dive. Projectile weapons would be ideal, but a spear would go great with dive attacks. Possibly add hard armour to her arms (if she has and uses them) or legs (if she has and fights with talons), but leave these parts unarmoured if they're not used in combat. In terms of mid-air evasive manoeuvring, she will definitely want to turn so that her wings face towards/away from the projectiles, to give a smaller target to hit. ...I possibly need to get into role-playing :P. Sorry, I might have got carried away. Just for reference, I did martial arts for 2 years, target archery for 6 and I've been an engineer for ~7 years and counting.

[@berlineczka]

And if the corset was made of boiled leather... oh boy. Boiled leather is actually pretty effective as armor. Would be great to see some analysis on that (maybe collab with Shadiversity?)

[@mikebrase5161]

I'm an American who has studied and reenacted the 1840-1870 period in American History. KZbin algorithm sent me here. Subbed.

[@Stranger_Strange_Land]

So many "ah ha" moments! "Ani, are you ok?" Wasn't expecting song lyrics AND Star Wars at the same moment! Very thought out and entertaining. Thank you

[@Maylott]

This is (by a wide margin) the most wholesome and informative youtube video to contain so many instances of the word "boning".

[@ArmouryTerrain]

I like and enjoy your style of videos. I would point out that the lower classes wore corsets or stays stiffened with reeds or wooden bents. While the characters you are looking at are upper class, there might be a big difference with a lower class corset. My leather knife will cut 4mm thick leather in one pass, but metal rods will not cut.

[@Oxnate]

This was fascinating and more informative than 99% of the "content" on KZbin. Thank you!

[@tracybartels7535]

My older teen daughter and I both found this video by pure chance, because every girl needs to know these things. So, not only is this good science and useful survival advice, but it enhances family togetherness.

[@jlokison]

So now I'm curious about European Renaissance heavy brocade doublets, worn by many nobility in colder climates, compared to arming doublets worn under plate and mail during the European Medieval period. Also when John Wick requested a tactical lining for a suit jacket I now imagine that not only is it multiple layers of woven kevlar but steal boneing to maintain shape and fit while being flexible enough to fight in. It won't have a trama plate so it's not stopping all bullets but still preventing or reducing severity of injury.

[@madelion24]

I love this channel. Nerd questions answered...for science.

[@InnocentDoodles]

"Very Significant Gap Between Boning" is my favorite phrase now

[@niseplank4527]

"I like to test the veracity of things that happen in fiction." And in that moment, I fell in love.

[@fullmetalsewist]

As an opera director who is also training in stage combat, this video hits a venn diagram of my interests in an incredible accurate way.

[@grayfox1748]

Corsets, knives, science and Jill. So many cool things in just one video

[@aishwarya5663]

I- I wonder what her neighbors thought she was doing....

[@killamoosdraree730]

What if instead of a double layer of boning, you did a single layer of boning and then a layer of sewn in washers (the hardware type of washer used with nuts and bolts) as a sort of chain mail but not real chain mail, just something to deflect force away from any gaps between the boning layer? Wow, I can really make long sentences when I put my mind to it. Your video is inspirational to me.

[@the_once-and-future_king.]

For those wondering, stab _proof_ body armour has metal or ceramic plates within the kevlar cloth. Without those plates they are only slash resistant.

[@quailypoes]

My takeaway is that corsets are a fantastic evolution of the gambeson, I love it!

[@simongiles9749]

I work in a lab where Forensic Science is taught, and this year one of the dissertation students wanted me to make a stabbing machine so that they could test the resistance of different types of clothing. The most repeatable and safest option was to simply drop the knife down a tube onto a polystyrene box and measure the depth of blade penetration. Sadly, due to Covid lockdown, they had to do a library-based project instead. But, if anyone wants to try a similar set of tests, I've done the groundwork for you.

[@BrightBlueJim]

Um, wow. Way to show advertisers how you feel about demonitization! You continue to be one of my favorite Internet people.

[@twinberettas]

You know, I appreciate the entire concept of this science, because I'm writing time travel based fiction and these are actual scenarios my characters face that I have actual answers for, HUZZAH! Thank you!

[@piperrasmussen]

I was literally just thinking about the plausibility of this! I mean, I was thinking about a decorative metal corset, but still! Question answered!

[@j.f.fisher5318]

The knife _might_ (and that's very much a might) have more of a chance in the fashion corset slash test if the swing was raking with the point rather than slicing with the edge - based on destructive testing with gambeson (thickly padded medieval armor) on Skellagrim's channel this was much more successful against textiles. Generally any flexible pre-modern material doesn't stand up to stabs or arrows well, and that's based on extensive research trying to justify any form of non-metallic armor as a fantasy armor material in anything other than ridiculously thick layers.

[@ragnkja]

A gambeson’s effectiveness was due to the very compressed layers of wool and linen, and while that made it effective against arrows, the tension in the fabric would have made it more susceptible to slashing attacks.

[@Heothbremel]

Bonus content was excellent, and this was an extremely useful science for writing this type of scene xD

[@kateorgera5907]

Jill, I love that you actually saw The Nevers! I feel like no one is talking about it.

[@JillBearup]

Full disclosure: I have not actually watched a whole episode, just bits of it 😁

[@annachase6036]

"Mannequin Skywalker" 😂 What a great name

[@HaikelTV]

At this point Jill can talk me about anything and I'll be interested as hell in it

[@MrGhosta5]

Not surprised the corset stopped the cuts as just thick cloth armor like gambison is effective at stopping cuts from very sharp swords. A layer of steel/bone should phave no problem stopping a knife. Stabing is really hard to stop because with a stab it's very easy to apply a lot of force to a very small area. PSI is calculated as f/a. an average kitchen knife has a thickness of about .014 inches which is about .0002 square inches. so if you stab with 10 pounds of force then that becomes about 50,000 psi at the knife tip. now for a slice with the blade is still .014 inches thick but 3 inches long then we get a surface area of .042sq inches then our 10 pound cut only has 238psi. The stab is about 210x more effective then the slice. Numbers aren't exact because this is just to demonstrate how a knife multiplies the force differently between the tip and edge and why stabbing is much harder to protect against.

[@kramermariav]

I love how you wear your swashbuckliest shirt while attacking Mannequin Skywalker

[@Len..K]

The only science I need- Also my heart got so happy when I saw Amalia

[@hedgehog3180]

Your videos about Elona Holmes convinced me to watch the movie and holy shit it was such a gem. Also I can happily report that the trains are accurate too though the absence of any company logo on them is really noticeable.

[@drewdempsey6523]

Hello Jill, I woke up from a dream about you, (sorry not like that) and the Corset/Dress/Knife series you've been doing. I've watched each many times. What I thought was, Can you replace the whale bone/plastic with knives. By making the channels a little larger and maybe with a ribbon on the end to draw the knife easier. In turn giving the wearier support and shielding from a weapon. During a surprise attack. As well as being a good place to hide your thin bladed daggers before use? Maybe like the throwing knives Danny Trejo uses in Desperado instead of kitchen or pocket knives with a bulker handle. Thank you, Love your work Drew

[@alharb61]

It is really nice to see you do these videos because I can see how much absolute fun you have when you are doing them.... WTG Ms. Bearup !!!

[@donwild50]

Thank you for this vid. I am sure this "Victorian corset as armor" issue has been addressed previously, but yours is the first time I have seen it carefully shown and the ramifications thereof. I knew about boning and knew the initial boning was actually whalebone but "knowing" about the existence of something doesn't really give a clarification of "how" it works. Thanks again...scribbling a note in my "things to use in writing" book. Now have to look up when boned corsets actually started being used; if I'm going to use this in a time intensive piece, would not like to give the lady this protection before it actually existed.

[@gideongrace1977]

Man. I learn so much from this channel.

[@DoubleTrouble-li5wi]

Corsets are surprisingly good armour, is what I learned from this

[@CarlosPenasGrl]

As a historical writer, THANK YOU!