Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar are Totally Different Off Camera & Derick's Book Will End Empire - Source

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[@karihus6855]

Shame on TLC they should have paid the adult kids directly

[@daydream1066]

Honest to god, I would preorder that tell-all book! Who is with me?

[@lulu5803]

I'm so ready for at. I was a blind fan in the beginning, found the Free Jinger site about 10 years ago and my eyes were opened.

[@Jylart]

I'll save you a place in line!!

[@lightningbug276]

Definitely

[@LizRealGirlBeauty]

Oh hell yes!

[@jennk7987]

Heck yea!

[@EalingFitClub]

The fact they tried to cover up what their son did to the daughters told me years ago these 2 people are deeply unpleasant.

[@MS-vi9xo]

I wouldn’t be all too surprised if good ole daddy hasn’t over stepped his boundaries with some girls himself. Hopefully not his own daughters, but others. Especially concerning...since they are TOLD they MUST do as daddy says.

[@giabarrone7422]

M S And anything he does to them is their fault....

[@teresahowick5197]

M S I’ve been thinking the same

[@juliettevanklooster8564]

Heidi Blake I think the kids are way too scared to say anything bad about their dad. He will definitely make sure they don’t tell negative things, or anything else he doesn’t want them to tell.

[@dorisheck9351]

I feel like a child protective services investigation needs to happen to protect Josh & Anna’s kids.

[@jennk7987]

I honestly think that Anna doesn’t leave her kids alone with him. They’re always with Pop and Lollie or her.

[@biancacox8630]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOREVER

[@biancacox8630]

Unicorn Queen ...then WHY STAY WITH THE GOON??

[@BhappyD]

Bianca Cox Because sadly she’s been brainwashed her entire life to believe that the choice of leaving your husband does not even exist. It’s not even an option for her, and her own parents, siblings, and the Duggars ensure that she is reminded of that on a daily basis. She’s essentially been raised in a cult from birth that has drilled into her brain that she has no autonomy, that she only exists to please the men in her life, she has no real world skills or preparedness, and on top of everything she has always been taught that anything wrong that the men in her life do is HER fault. She 100% has been made to believe that Josh’s cheating, and God only know what other shenanigans, that have taken place during her marriage were because of her. SHE didn’t please him enough. SHE wasn’t “joyfully available” 🤮 enough. If only SHE had done x,y,z this would have never happened. These are all the teachings of Bill Gothard, which her parents abided by as well as the Duggars. She doesn’t know any other way of life, and her confidence and self worth has been stomped down to such an extreme extent her entire life that there is very little, if any, of it left. On the outside looking in, leaving may seem like an easy choice to make, but sadly Anna doesn’t even see that as a possibility. Every single person in her life has failed her and set her up for a lifetime of guilt and shame. She sees no other option, and the men in her life controlling her ensure that it stays that way. This was the life that was chosen for her via her own father and Jim Bob. My heart breaks for her and her kids.

[@biancacox8630]

Brittany ...😥😥❤️

[@stacyhernandez7338]

How do they expect anyone to believe that the kids helped Jim Bob with his anger issues when he didn’t protect his own daughters from Josh?

[@noeldee9236]

I’d be very worried about his own children

[@louisacapell]

That's not fair. They really did do the correct things in that situation. They did exactly what family services would recommend. Theres so many rumors going on about this.

[@lilolmecj]

Lol, I could see that going well. Daddy you are getting a little ang…WHAM kid goes flying . Allegedly.

[@skywithdiamonds5109]

Kids are NOT responsible for keeping their parents accountable. They twist everything for their benefit.

[@jennk7987]

Yes, it’s a manipulation

[@carolinelaronda4523]

Shouldn’t he be asking the lord for strength?? 😏

[@louisacapell]

@@carolinelaronda4523 who says he isnt? Why cant the children be involved as part of how to help? Who says its the kids responsibility?

[@krischealgomez9806]

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[@matthewpenberthy4932]

Perhaps you should find a man.

[@reetz5624]

I never believed Michelle's soft spoken Mother Theresa act. You can't have that much control over 20 human beings without a forceful hand and a lot of yelling and strict discipline.. A part of their brainwashing is to make the kids think it's their idea to behave and fall in line. As far as Jim Bob goes, he's got a God complex going on where his children worship everything he says and teaches them to never second guess him. He's one shifty dude

[@lovesanimalshatesrats6339]

Well said! I agree, you can’t have that much extreme control over 19 kids by acting passive and speaking in childish whispers. There are major scare tactics going on behind closed doors. I hate when someone says “they seem so nice”, everyone SEEMS nice. It’s very easy to act friendly in public but be completely different, actually it’s an epidemic among humans.

[@kristinmullins6896]

What I’ve noticed too is that they misquote and straight up lie about certain things that are in the Bible.

[@ameliewiseman744]

Sometimes i like to compare the Duggars to the Radfords (britains biggest family. They have a vlog on youtube and are currently isolating with 19 kids age 2mnths to 26?). Its a LOT more rowdy. Both sets of kids are well behaved and polite and nice. But you can tell the Radfords are a normal family - not too strict and a bit chaotic.

[@stillwaters2121]

I do believe that Michelle never raised her voice. All that she needed to do was to hold up the wooden spoon. "Enough said."

[@mrmister2702]

Yelling and having a "forceful hand" is not a way to make children listen to you and respect you and anyone who believes so will see those effects when the kids become teens..... Love and a kind voice really do go a long way. Spoken from experience!

[@MeMe-pj8ve]

I would 100% buy Derick’s book and everyone who supports pulling back the curtain on the Duggars should as well. Best of luck to the Dillards!

[@kimberlypaul3656]

Me Me yeah no. He is homophobic and had not problem attacking Jazz on social media saying horrible things. If people know that and choose to support them they are horrible too. Hope you weren’t aware.

[@MeMe-pj8ve]

Kimberly Paul that’s a nice blanket statement to fit your narrative. He’s come out to say he supports LGBTQ+ rights, where the problem lies is that he doesn’t believe a child should be able to transition at such a young age.

[@kimberlypaul3656]

Me Me lol. Did you even google to see the things he has said. I’m not going to argue with you as you clearly don’t care about facts.

[@MeMe-pj8ve]

Kimberly Paul why’d you lol? What’s so funny about transgender rights?

[@kimberlypaul3656]

Me Me I laughed because your comment was funny to me. To claim that I made a blanket statement to fit my narrative as though I hadn’t done research before forming an opinion. Nothing is funny about the things he’s said as you writing that my lol was about transgender rights only shows what I assumed. You’re a gas lighting troll on the internet. Have fun.

[@lightningbug276]

Jim Bob seems like a terrifying father. I don’t believe for one second that the kids called him out when he was angry.

[@marcosjoya7431]

How do you even know this? The only time you seen him is through TV and the media which is only a small portion of their lives

[@daydream1066]

@@marcosjoya7431 Well, he himself says he has an anger problem and this family has a tract record for glossing things over. You are right, TV and the Media is a small portion of their lives, but their real life is slowly leaking out for the world to see.

[@marcosjoya7431]

Rose Thomas idk, like I said before, unless he is the one who actually says it himself then I believe, or if it is an interview with Jim Bob himself, then I’ll believe it...: there’s so much hate for the family. she keeps on saying she hears it from sources, how do we even know if these sources are reliable? A lot of this seems like only speculating

[@daydream1066]

@@marcosjoya7431 I know he did just have a talk about his Anger problems somewhere, would you like me to find it for you? It may also help to see why we criticize this family so much.

[@JessRodr]

Right!! When I was a kid I would never have said a word to JB when he was angry

[@winnie2379]

Even if “blanket training” for babies was the only thing I knew about them, I would still want their parenting practices investigated. To deny & punish a child’s appropriate & developmentally normal curiosity is, in my opinion, a form of mistreatment.

[@sallyjohnson]

The network should be accountable for not protecting the children. Arkansas needs to change the laws

[@Hey_its_just_me_to]

So disappointed with TLC lately why wouldn’t they do contracts with each kid they are no longer minors. The digger kids should sue TLC!

[@tiffprendergast]

Yup

[@jennk7987]

Could this be why Derrick is becoming a lawyer?

[@jackstarlow7087]

I think the reason why is that TLC knows Jim Bob has control over his kids. If they have there own money he has know control and that means no jobs for tlc crew, network or Jim Bob. Every thing will come to the light.

[@crazymusicchick]

I wondered that as well even the minors not have it as a trust fund thing set up

[@bobbiestrella8160]

@@jennk7987 Makes sense! They should sue Jim Bob, not TLC.

[@las5510]

I am genuinely disgusted by the treatment of children in reality shows. A child cannot give informed consent and they do not have the capacity to understand the lifelong ramifications of their personal lives being recorded and then viewed by the General Public Any parent that is comfortable exploiting their child for financial gain without including their child in the profits is and abuser in my opinion.

[@MS-vi9xo]

Agree 100%. KZbin family vloggers included.

[@teresahowick5197]

M S and parents shaming their kids on fb videos so they get views and laughs at the expense of the children.

[@smarterthanyou6161]

Ias, Yes! I've been saying this about Desmond the drag kid too!

[@Kat-fc7sx]

We all know they buy at second hand stores to save money what I want to know is what are they saving for? The kids don’t go to college they have cheap weddings.I also don’t believe Michelle’s soft voice that is not natural

[@stillwaters2121]

Supposedly, they are not saving for anything. They are just spending as little as possible so that they will have enough left over to support themselves. I find it disgusting to buy used shoes - - some things, you just wouldn't want to wear that you don't know who wore it before you. I can understand used shoes if they were hand-me-downs from your older sister, but not from a second-hand store.

[@katefrench9798]

I haven't watched this show in years these people disgust me but as for as saving it seems that even back then the kid's toys well crap "i.e. no pool but plastic on the side of the hill and soap suds to slide on....." but JB bought toys for himself that were not exactly cheap junk...i.e. his 3 wheelers for an examply...so yeah they save money (and it seems the money they are "saving" are the kids money) but it looks like they save it to buy expensive things for themselves.

[@debbienpeters]

They used to shop at thrift stores to afford food and housing, ect. But once they got the tv contracts they started making more money, also, if you watch the credits, the house they built was paid for and furnished by companies and clothing store provide clothes for them. So, I don’t know why they need to save. Maybe pay for all their vacations?

[@noeldee9236]

It seems like psychotic

[@thisfacebelievesyou8862]

Yeaaaaah, I can only imagine how raising 19 children would _totally_ mellow Jim Bob’s anger problem. Seems legit 😒

[@jens8487]

It’s a good thing I’m single. I would never be “joyfully available.” Eff that.

[@footyfan101ful]

I'm with you!!

[@carolinelaronda4523]

Joyfully available 🤮 so disgusting

[@lennoxgrey8543]

The kids should sue TLC. It’s so sad what they go through at home too. I hope they all get free

[@daisygirlsqueeker4146]

I had a friend who grew up in this! She got away with help of her mother....and both broke ties with her dad. But she is so messed up psychologically piecing herself back together. And her mom still is brainwashed in ways....so SAD!

[@teresahowick5197]

That’s awful

[@PrincessKLS]

I have trauma from being raised fundamentalist Christian as well.

[@Kimothy80]

I legit feel bad for Jill. She seems like a truly nice person and she’s caught between her husband (who is, justifiably, angry at her father about his mistreatment towards he and Jill) and her family, specifically her underage siblings who still live at home. It hurts my heart for her and I hope therapy is helping her through this saga. I definitely believe Jim Bob and Michelle have hidden anger issues. Another reason why I feel for the minor children.

[@kristenwrenn8070]

She definitely does seem like a genuinely kind person.

[@AngelusaNobilis]

I wonder what the minor emancipation laws are like in Arkansas. In theory the teen Duggar’s at home could emancipate themselves and live with Jill until they get on their own two feet.

[@melissahaletky3651]

from what I understand, Jim Bob is the married kids manager. He dictates their paycand and takes A good chunk of it. the girls need to respect them selves and get their GED and learn a skill insted og asking people for mission money. The Home schooling is put together by the head of a Baptist church. Their home school diplomas don't mean crap.

[@stephaniemcclure2410]

Derrick himself is a piece of work. He’s not much better

[@jlgibbo6116]

Derrick kind of acts cocky

[@daydream1066]

Also, I think if he does release this book, not only will it protect the minors that are still there, but other children in other families from being worked and abused!

[@jennk7987]

Yes, true! And I think it would help set them up and possible have the other kids speak out.

[@betinasway2]

Prairie Dresses, lies, and control. This is not a healthy lifestyle and well being for kids to grow up in.

[@noeldee9236]

Their beliefs are just insane

[@whitegirl7233]

What are you doing as a parent that is better? Pfft! Is your parenting skills up to par

[@whitegirl7233]

@@noeldee9236 well at least they children didn't have any teenage pregnancies like most parents children

[@jlgibbo6116]

They have a right to parent the way they want. They aren't breaking any laws

[@c.b5996]

@@whitegirl7233 No they just go from being children to having children lol omg really!? This family is disgusting.

[@sarahi4681]

Tlc is a disgrace for not paying the adult "children" directly ... No excuse derick needs to sue them

[@jessjerz755]

Between this, the gosselins,Hone Boo-Boo, etc.why doesn't anyone ever hold TLC responsible? The T is for Trashy now.

[@janets7291]

It used to be The Learning Channel when it first came out. Back in the day, it had some worthwhile programming. Now it's The Trainwreck Channel.

[@CartB0X]

I agree, all of the families that they've filmed have imploded 😂

[@ladyv5655]

TLC used to have a show called, What Not to Wear. I loved it. Too bad Michele was never on that show, but I suppose Jim Bob would not allow that.

[@XxViktorijaxX]

"Trashy Loving Care". Haha!!

[@tifftargaryen490]

My grandfather is one of seventeen, and he always says he'd never recommend more then 3 and spread them out. He loves his siblings to death but it's really stressful and none of his siblings had more then 4 and all make comments about it.

[@janetsides901]

I'm one of thirteen. None of us had more than three. It was a chaotic,abusive life. I raised my kids very different. I don't see my siblings.

[@PrincessKLS]

My dad was the oldest of 14 and they had at least one black sheep in the family.

[@nashernash]

My mom is one of 18, and she is one of the oldest girls. She ran off and got married at 17 because she wanted out so bad. She said she was so tired of being dirt poor and having to raise her siblings. Not one of her siblings had more than three kids, most have two and some only had one.

[@tifftargaryen490]

@@nashernash my granddad was 4th or 5th to the youngest. The 2 oldest girls never had kids. I don't blame them.

[@M_momlifestyle]

Omg! “Joyfully available...” that just made my skin crawl 😭

[@zumeybear6883]

Look into the transformed wife. She also follows the same cult the duggars do. You'll want to throw up.

[@Kimberly-dp5pp]

Theres no way they can be all soft voices and calm having that many kids I only have two and some days I want to scream in a pillow

[@asdfghjkl-oo7lv]

They can be calm because the real mothers are the older siblings raising them. All Michelle has to worry about is being joyfully available to JB and being pregnant 🙄

[@amandagray9871]

It’s like the 1920’s or 30’s when Shirley Temple and Mickey Rooney’s parents lived off of their income, and wiped them out completely financially. That’s why they made laws to protect children’s’ performance income, and only give the parents access to a small fraction of it.

[@Reesy2002]

JB looks at Derrick and thinks "Damn I let Jill marry someone I can't control!"

[@Muffynbear-bs7fh]

I love how you picked the most unflattering picture of them.

[@noeldee9236]

When are any pictures of them flattering

[@PrincessKLS]

Noel Dee Michelle and the girls did start to look more stylish and polished the more famous they got.

[@c.b5996]

@@noeldee9236 lololol yesss!!! Agreed

[@mollyclum2302]

The state of Arkansas is protecting JB as he was a politician at one point. He’s most likely paying someone on the inside to cover up the criminal activities of the family.

[@TrueCrimeTalkWithTaves]

Molly Clum a politician ? Ffs

[@japanesespidercrab365]

I understand a give and take in a marriage, but this is barbaric. It's less of a husband/wife relationship and more of a dictatorship. I can not stand that they taught their kids that a girl's body is not her's.

[@louisacapell]

They didn't, nobody has taught their kids that in this show at all. They simply say the same thing that the Bible says, that the wife's body belongs to the husband at the husband's body belongs to the wife. It's you guys that are twisting everything

[@jokehokke283]

@@louisacapell ithink you are wrong. The wife should always be joyfull availible, no matter what. Thats not Christian or biblical at all. If a man does wrong thing its de wife to blame. Is that what the bible say.

[@louisacapell]

@@jokehokke283 I can't understand what you're saying. Are you saying if your husband does something wrong, it's the wife's fault? That's bizarre.

[@jokehokke283]

@@louisacapell that what they think

[@louisacapell]

@@jokehokke283 no, it's not. That's Islam

[@carolpip5097]

Joyfully available=no boundaries.

[@redrooster1908]

Yep. Truly controlling creepy abusive

[@ladylowman6403]

I watched the sisters show because I thought it was TLC giving the children financial freedom. I’m so pissed off

[@winnie2379]

“Joyfully available”... sounds like another concept made up by the founder of IBLP. A never-married man with no children, but with a reported fascination with young women’s ankles.

[@redrooster1908]

Faux religious pious persons seem all the same. Like a guy who lived at home with parents till they died, stayed in the house, never dated or married and never had kids. Huge pro life signs all over front yard. PFFFF

[@kimdaydreaming8086]

When you were saying what Jessa said in her father tribute: “Daddy, we think you’re getting upset” you sounded 100% just like Michelle! You nailed it! lol 😂

[@rianadunnivan9446]

Kim Daydreaming I know I kept replaying it and laughing so hard 🤣🤣🤣

[@anonomus8709]

I hope Derick does release the tell-all! I can’t stand the man, but if he’s going to attempt to take down Jim Bob, I’ll take it!

[@susanjohnston8973]

I think a lot of criminal stuff is going down. I love how the cutout looks like they are standing in their own living room with pillows that say “Love is Love”. Did you do that on purpose? 😆

[@jennk7987]

😂😂

[@carolynw8614]

LMFAO 😂

[@biancacox8630]

A lot of political insiders have stated that now that the Catholics have been outed, then the politicians, now it will be the mainstream religious leaders will be exposed next! Jim Bob is right up there !!!

[@smarterthanyou6161]

@@biancacox8630 Catholics outed for what?

[@biancacox8630]

smarterthan you ....got their SINS...such as molesting children, specifics on what all some actually do with money they are raising for certain things....tax evasion...you know that kind of stuff!!!

[@desertdweller8683]

Ugh...it's hard to even remember that Michelle's actually looked worse! I do think something is going on, because the girls seem to be moving more towards KZbin, good thing too, they should never expect the show to last forever. I can't imagine that Michelle uses that phony voice 24/7. Jimbo is just a control freak, hiding behind religion.

[@tiffprendergast]

Michelle needs a haircut she dresses like a couch

[@lizmowrey9866]

She got one years ago but changed since JB likes her old look

[@southerngirl4076]

She looks like she has a mullet in that picture.

[@sunnykat11]

@@lizmowrey9866 she really did look more modern. Jim Bob is a jerk..

[@MeMe-pj8ve]

I snorted when I read that 😂

[@carolpip5097]

hilarious !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@l0vemisfits]

I would never trust a man named Jim Bob...

[@erinfrazier1439]

Lmao 😂😂 very true

[@_PF323]

💍😂😂😂💀🤣🤣🤣

[@emilyt3377]

I’m so glad my dad never went by Jim Bob. I cringed when I realized they had the same name.

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

I'd have "schadenfreude" ( German for " a delight in another's misfortune") if the whole Duggar empire came down, but I have a deep concern for the younger children. I would hate to see them in the poverty that the older children were in when the Duggars had their first documentary back when there were only 14 kids. ~Anastacia in Cleveland

[@MS-vi9xo]

Agreed. Worried about the remaining kids. They would probably be shucked off to siblings...which wouldn’t be much better, in most cases, I’m afraid.

[@c.b5996]

Agreed! Love if it came crashing down but I just worry about the remaining kids

[@maryblanton7645]

The duggars have the right to their belief as long as they are not hurting the children and usually when are trying to hurt others they are

[@redrooster1908]

Ha! Perfect word for this situation!

[@abrown507]

I'm calling bs that the kids ever said daddy you're getting upset it was probably more like let's get out of dodge.

[@PrincessKLS]

I could see that, my mom had anger issues and that’s what I learned.

[@scrappytexan7]

Friend was in a dentist waiting room with Michele last year Michele glowered at my friend the whole time. Like ‘don’t you even speak to me.’

[@sarahc3295]

"That's not a very good Christian attitude!" -Troll Hunter

[@jlgibbo6116]

Why?

[@alli3c4t63]

Here's the thing, if there is nothing wrong with their beliefs and practices, then why try to hide it?

[@luminyam6145]

My fundamentalist parents thought they were a "wonderful" family, and yes my own family give me the creeps as well.

[@KatKPatterson]

I am totally NOT surprised! Jim Bob has always given me bad vibes.

[@jennclair9866]

I was surprised it wasn't him abusing the girls. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@c.b5996]

I'm not shocked by any of it. Actually the thing that shocks me is that this didn't happen long ago and that people are actually shocked by it. Anyone can look at them and know

[@pennypay1]

Michelle was also cited for implying that Anna Duggar wasn't 'joyfully available' enough, hence Josh's Ashley-Madison account scandal and his alleged encounter with a strip club dancer. And while I'd stopped watching the show long before the two were expecting their first child, I read that Anna's mother wasn't present for the birth but Michelle Duggar WAS in the delivery room. I'm very fond of my mother-in-law but I would never consent to her being present at such an intimate time with me in a vulnerable (and butt-naked) state. Those TLC filming contracts create way too much compromise and intrusion into privacy.

[@uh2750]

I

[@HelloNewMoon]

Wow! When did she Michelle say that 💀

[@susanb598]

🤣🤣 oh my gosh. Yall I ain't lying i chaced my teenage son around the house with a wooden cooking spoon before. 😆 he made me so mad that boy. All I remember him saying was " mom there is food on it" cause I just took it from the pot... we all busted out laughing when he said that. Here I am 5.4 150lbs and he's 5.11 280lbs all muscle... but hey he didn't sass me again thats for sure. Wow I forgot about that.. hes graduation on Tuesday 😒 ill miss chasing him around the house.

[@thesachswayoflife3942]

I hope this blows up this year I need more entertainment in quarantine

[@anonomus8709]

I have a strong feeling it’s coming. I don’t know how to explain it, but I just feel a huge storm coming with this family. The criticism since 2015 has gotten increasingly worse, and it’s getting increasingly serious. Something bad is going to happen to Jim Bob. I just feel it.

[@lightningbug276]

Lol Me too

[@thesachswayoflife3942]

It's Me Again karma makes a full circle

[@giabarrone7422]

It will blow up, but I wouldn't count on it happening in 2020. Unless the FBI is already deep into their investigations and are sitting at home during the quarantine just listening to their wire taps.

[@c.b5996]

Lets hope we don't have to wait a year

[@cherylfeather9408]

I researched these people and the groups they are/were affiliated with and came to the conclusion that I would never trust them in the same room with my children.....ever!

[@scottbryantimmelting7204]

Michelle is horrible too. Tried to play off the loving role - but disowns her sister for being gay.

[@kimstover628]

What I dont understand is the legal side of this- They are adults so how can JimBob sign a contract on their behalf? Does he have power of attorney over all the kids and spouses? Why wouldnt TLC sign contracts with all of the adults separately?

[@HelloNewMoon]

Yeah this sounds wrong/shady

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

I bet it's about money with TLC. If they negotiate with all those adults separately, they run the risk of one sibling taking X dollars and a different sibling getting Y dollars and then the next sibling is like, 'I deserve more than that sibling because I am on camera more". Then someone could say, "But you gave her 3x what I agreed to. If it's not equal, I'm out." TLC acted in the way that was most profitable. One dude. One contract. Less $$ to pay out.

[@Saltysaltire97]

In the original police report that was released five years ago some of the kids who were very young at the time and were interviewed, saying JB & Michelle used a Rod to hit them. I think it's ridiculous they still hide behind claiming they aren't Quiverfull and IBLP.

[@clairemcclory7667]

“Spare the rod, spoil the child” 🙄

[@SeeingHimNow]

Those parents created 19 children. They never had the time to spend with them so they had their older girls raise the younger ones. Jim Bob sold Jill and Jessa out in 2015. That must have been humiliating for those girls. And yes, they need to own up to the truth

[@heiroot]

Derrick is Jill's hero! He's getting an education to fight for her

[@tamarahammon4227]

Joyfully available. What about the women’s needs if the husband can’t fulfill their needs or satisfaction?

[@lesleyallinson8738]

According to them it's not about the woman having pleasure

[@justine8387]

The pleasure a woman should take is that she and her children are fed and housed. 🤮

[@louisacapell]

@@lesleyallinson8738 oh stop. That's not even true. What a load.

[@animaguskatt]

The women are supposed to "keep sweet" just like the kids... which means they're not given any room to even have individual wants or needs. Serving the family is her only role.

[@taralohman6492]

LEB “keep sweet” is a fundamentalist Mormon thing, it’s not a phrase heard with independent Baptists

[@kimdaydreaming8086]

Organizations like “A Minor Consideration” was created by a former child actor who was hardly making any money & working insane hours. And the biggest problem (like Jim Bob is doing) was the parents were able to get & spend all the money on themselves. So when they became an adult, they had zero money, whatsoever, to show for all the years they worked so hard. They fought hard to put these laws into place to protect kids. Now they desperately need to work just as hard to create the same laws to protect children of reality shows. Set up with trusts so the parents can’t spend the money. And this law needs to be made that apply to every state.

[@debbienpeters]

Heidi Blake in general, child laws are all over the place. Parents have a lot more control over the kids than most people understand. It’s a weird thing to say without backup, but most laws involving children seem to protect the parents more than the kids. My parents stole thousands from me. But the law favors them, cause they claim they spent all this money on me, ect so by law they can legally take money from me without consequences. In my case, my parents gave money to my brother that was legally mine, but used laws to justify them having control over my money, that was suppose to pay for college, for themselves and my brother, leaving me basically penniless and homeless when I was 18.

[@plantedwishes]

The whole "joyfully available" thing is just disgusting

[@DarkbutNotsinister]

Maddie I’ve been married almost 25 years & “joyfully available” made me laugh. Oh, sorry, did I just use my teeth as a rake? SMH.

[@bobbiestrella8160]

It is! And the Pearls do not have children of their own, so how they think they are qualified to educate others in child rearing is beyond me.

[@rebekahhansen1112]

@@bobbiestrella8160 they have 5 children all grown.

[@missybancroft6688]

Wouldn't it be awesome if Jill Dillard were to run for office and get the laws changed in Arkansas! Like if she was the legislator who wrote the bill and got it passed...that would be some sweet justice!

[@valeriemoran842]

@Missy Bancroft: Excellent idea. Jill would be awesome as a.child advocate!!

[@jenniferwatson1944]

On the show, the young kids would sit for interviews. Under child labor laws would that be allowed? If child labor laws were put in place protecting kids on television, would there be limits on how much footage of the kids they could use in the final show put on tv? The family has been in the public eye for so long that it was only a matter of time before their past caught up with them in the investigation against Josh and hidden information coming to light. This family has talked so much about hidden sin and coming clean about hidden sin, but what about the sins of Josh that were not public knowledge until recently, or the sins of Jim Bob not paying his children? I have watched this family for many years but now knowing the coverups makes me angry!!

[@jennk7987]

Unfortunately reality and documentaries fall under different laws. It’s how they get away with it. Its definitely time to change the laws.

[@cvideo2847]

Makes me think about how unprotected children of family vloggers are when their parents are using them for money and fame without their consent, sometimes from birth.

[@haggiefatigue2971]

I feel for Derrick because he wants to confront JB but he is married to a Duggar. Jill seems to be seeing things through another person's (Derrick's) eyes and it appears she's had an awakening. Still, I don't know if Jill's parents would ever speak to her again if her husband actually went through with a book. I'm from Arkansas and I think we need to make a few new rules about these kids on reality shows. Someone like Derrick will have to bring that about since I guess the Duggars are our only TLC "celebrities". OR, maybe TLC should be held accountable for not insuring that these children get paid, I dunno. I think Derrick is a smart guy who will do the right thing but, dang it, he needs help. He shouldn't have to be the lone David against that Goliath empire. Some of the others should stand with him for the sake of the little kids still at home.

[@giabarrone7422]

If you get involved with the local legislature, don't forget the exploited kids of KZbin. Their parents are making far more money off of them then reality tv kids, and have absolutely no oversight as they are filmed in their own homes by their parents. The need also goes well beyond payment. These kids need basic rights regarding schooling, working hours and access to mandated reporters, etc. Katie maintains that Derrick somehow made it through TLC's clutches without signing so much as an NDA, which is not true of the others. I don't think anyone can help him with risking their own legal position. He needs the help of lawyers and legislators to unravel this mess.

[@natalielinden]

If they never spoke to her again they would be horrible parents. Unconditional love means just that, you don't put conditions on it. Still trying to control your adult children is pretty messed up.

[@stephanniestarr6869]

The people of Arkansas have a responsibility to enact these laws regardless of whether Derrick writes the book. A book alone will not protect anyone. There is enough questionable behavior to warrant changes to child labor laws, documentary laws, trust laws, and an investigation into tax evasion and other crimes. Even if they are found innocent, the fact that the questions are there warrant changing the statutes.

[@cathigonzalez6046]

How about Jim Bob giving daughters a side hug on their wedding days???? Who does that? My husband gives huge bear hugs to our daughters! They are weirdos!!!!!

[@karensiegel6669]

That is so everyone sees him along with the bride.

[@sallyjohnson]

So what about freedom of the press. If Derrick wants to write a book no one can tell him he can't First Ammendment right according to the constitution...

[@giabarrone7422]

I am still baffled that TLC had him on the show all those years without so much as an NDA. I hope is is able to help reclaim the lives of all the exploited kids, and help ensure their exploiters are brought to justice.

[@avakate7747]

Arkansas is a shady state, West Memphis Three.

[@catherinecookson225]

Yep that was really messed up.

[@jlgibbo6116]

@@catherinecookson225 so strange the whole case messed with your head.

[@auntjosie756]

I feel like what Josh did was a learned trait. I've often gotten the feeling the dad was involved with the girls. I lived thru it from 4yrs to 12yrs old so I see the signs. The control he holds over his girls especially speaks to me.

[@trollhunter6421]

You're not the only one who suspects such

[@CartB0X]

Sadly it honestly wouldnt surprise me either.. JB is a disgusting human being

[@PrincessKLS]

I got a similar feeling too.

[@MeganVictoriaKearns]

Never trust ANYONE who works so hard to appear to be the perfect religious leader, the perfect dad, the perfect son, the perfect husband, the perfect friend, the perfect follower of Jesus... No one who has ever existed in history has ever been 100% without fault in every category. It's been a while since I was a Christian (NOT A FUNDIE) but I recall the church leaders telling us that there's no one who is without sin but Jesus. I can't say I believe Jesus, the human being, was without any sin his whole life, but I can tell you for certain that JB has no business acting like he's never been wrong.

[@rebeccaglenn7939]

I'm so sorry to hear that that I was thinking and saying the same thing God bless you

[@robbieporter6053]

What about Jackie Coogan Law? It’s still in effect today, I was just wondering is all. The Jackie Coogan Law ensures the financial well-being of child actors by mandating that their employer set aside 15% of the child actor's gross earnings in a Coogan Trust Account, where it can be monitored - but not withdrawn - by a legal guardian until the child reaches legal maturity.

[@WithoutACrystalBall]

there is not one in Arkansas

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

That only applies to child actors in the Screen Actors Guild. As Katie pointed out, it also depends on the state. ~Anastacia in Cleveland

[@MaddysinLeigh]

That doesn’t apply to reality stars.

[@jennk7987]

Reality stars are different. They are not under the same laws, which is how they get away with a lot.

[@robbieporter6053]

Ok sorry there r only three states that require it

[@elaineleblanc8616]

Women have a right to choose some private time during their cycle. I think a woman has a right to choose to not be available regardless.

[@LizzyMarieTina]

The IBLP "rules" mostly consist of "keeping sweet" and victim blaming and shaming. I personally think that general modesty shows class but the Duggars have gone way too far with it to where the kids can't express themselves at all.

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

The "keeping sweet" is actually beaten into the children! ~Anastacia in Cleveland

[@jennk7987]

Brightfox's Den Doesn’t the Warrens Jeff’s teach the same? I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a connection.

[@LizzyMarieTina]

@@jennk7987 Warren Jeff's group is Mormon based while the Duggars are evangelical based so they are fundamentally different but in their practices of control and victim blame/shame they are scarily similar.

[@LizzyMarieTina]

@@AnastaciaInCleveland It is. It's scary how such a simple phrase is so controlling and oppressive.

[@AnastaciaInCleveland]

@@LizzyMarieTina Excellent point!

[@amandagray9871]

Giving large gifts transfers the tax burden to the person who gives the gift to the person who receives it. Doesn’t it?

[@KS-cl8br]

No. You can file it with the it's so it is taken out of your allowance at death which is over 10 million for a married couple so no taxes for either federally. Not commenting on state tax rules. This way wealthy can give over $15k or $30k per year to their kid. Or even grandchildren, not having to deal with generation skipping taxes.

[@janets7291]

Depends on the jurisdiction. Gifts from parent to child or grandchild are tax free where I live.

[@Momof4furbabies]

That hair though

[@biancacox8630]

There was one episode after they had moved into their new house and the kids a little older that Michelle’s best friend cut her hair off like to just below her shoulders and straightened it and put nice make up on her. She actually looked really good AND you could tell that Michelle really liked it as well as all the kids But Jim Bob IMMEDIATELY said ...something to the affect “oh NO Michelle I don’t really care for that style at all...I really prepare your previous hairstyle”...it seemed like a real blow to Michelle you could tell ...but she told the kids ...”this was fun for today but Dad likes my hair better the other way so tomorrow the curls come back...you could tell that Michelle’s best friend was pissed at him.... I think he DID like it...I think he DID see how much prettier the style was on Michelle and immediately felt threatened by that beauty and wanted to immediately squash it before someone else came along and thought she was pretty too!! Wow...that’s TRUE LOVE for ya! And it shows just how insecure Jim Bob really is!! When I get a new hairstyle and feel it makes me look pretty I’m here to tell you when I get home my husband is ALWAYS complementing my new improved look right along with me👍❤️

[@melindac3368]

@@biancacox8630 I agree with you. JB wants Michelle under his thumb for every little thing. You know he HAD to like the style better. She looked so good!

[@rebeccalunsford9372]

That's called abuse not discipline.

[@dorisheck9351]

If all of this is true TLC filming staff and the network itself is morally repugnant. If they are abusing these children the have a moral and legal responsibility to report that.

[@sandram9330]

Truth needs to be exposed, regarding Jim Bob’s patriarchal rules & how he governs his family. Money is the root of all evil .....have boundaries been overstepped? Hmmmm food for thought!! 🤔

[@kimberlya7267]

I am here for the Duggar tell all! After the whole Josh thing happened it made me wonder what else was going on that we really have no idea. TV can make you look one way when you are nothing like that at all. Plus it's such a small picture into there lives.

[@christenfink4533]

I became acquainted with a woman who was a member of one of those mega churches. For some reason she took interest in me as a young single mother. She was a stay at home mother and they were well off. She always tried to get me to go to their church, and she gave me a book, Training Up Your Child, by the Pearls. I started reading it, and I was disgusted, they talk about flicking an infant learning to breastfeed. I only gets worse from there. I never answered her calls again.

[@MS-mp9om]

Personally, I'd still rather see this family on tv than the Kardashians.

[@william1118]

I wonder how many times Anna's been raped by Josh ... No means No .. No matter WHAT ... So SAD .. 😢

[@mrssmith3051]

When I watched that interview with Jill and Jessa, it always bugged me how Jessa was poker faced and never showing any emotion, yet Jill was crying and trying her best not to have a complete breakdown on national tv, now I know why....... 😞

[@anonomus8709]

To be fair, Jessa has never been super emotional, whereas Jill has. I have a theory that Jessa suppresses her emotions.

[@justine8387]

Shut down is also a trauma response.

[@kimberlymitchell7630]

This book could already be done. It doesn't have to be under his name.

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

Josh should not be allowed around kids! What was he thinking? His sisters should be joyfully available to him? And next his daughters? He needs to be in jail. You are totally right on about everything you are saying! Those kids should get a cut of the profits !! Just like Huxley!!

[@aaf1548]

Not surprised at all because one time Derek was live filming on Instagram and Michelle did not know it and she came in yelling at Jennifer a Johanna and then when she saw Derek filming she went to that sweet voice in a matter of a second but that video has been taken down

[@LoonZoomBoo]

Saw that, she's not yelling.

[@louisacapell]

I saw that, she wasn't yelling, you guys will just say anything.

[@MGH56]

I remember seeing it.

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Horrifying to realize that the Jackie Coogan law doesn't protect these kids! I had no idea! How awful!

[@mellissabgarden1549]

It sad that alot of people dont realize how this duggar family really is. I tell the truth on fb and I get attacked left and right telling me that the duggar family is so perfect and I should stop with all the false lies. I sit there and 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@andrea6421]

Thank you so much for your reporting, I love it! Also, I believe they had all these kids to make money, to have the older kids raise the younger kids, and to have servants! Jill & her husband are smart to keep away from them. I’ve never in my life seen greedier, cold, parents in my life!

[@jmoore1172]

If you watch ( honestly I've only watched the actual show a dozen or so times) you can see JB start to get mad. You can see his smile falter and sometimes it's almost like you can see him counting to ten in his head.😆 Especially when interacting with the young children.

[@louisacapell]

Is there something wrong with that? Is every person perfect and never gets angry, except for him?

[@hannahrehn4410]

As an IFB survivor, I can testify that it’s common for a father to have strange control over the family’s money. So yes, they are a common fundy family.

[@anacleta424]

They are not a normal family. Look at that picture how she's dressed. She can dress conservative but her style is just AWFUL.

[@fancysfolly554]

I agree. Those hairdos look so bad...I see women sometimes in the grocery store with those long tacky dresses and the hairdo with the teased up bangs. Etc...that right there would cause me to leave..I think there must be a church like that in this area...but to me those Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints...the polygamist groups, are much worse. Those dirty old men “marry” the little girls...and send the little boys off..and they have to wear those awful clothes too...it’s so wrong...think back to being a little girl...you might want a little boyfriend but anybody more than a few years older seems like an old man in your eyes...people do such screwed up things in the name of God

[@Investigativebean]

Contracts aside, most states have very strict child labor laws. Pretty sure there are even stricter federal laws governing the payment of children for work via protected trusts.

[@carolyndiedrich9816]

I didn't discover the Duggers until Derick was courting Jill and I remember how Michelle proudly explained how the children all had their duties, how the older kids were expected to taking full responsibility for a certain amount of their younger siblings, how everyone had laundry, cooking, dishes and so on duties....by the time she finished she was left with some home schooling and to keep having more babies for her older girls to take care of. I'm sorry, I do not care for her or Jim Bob. You know, having as many babies as possible was "normal* a 100 years ago because the family needed .more children to work the crops etc. I doubt seriously that God wanted people to procreate to crowd even more the already over crowded world. Mom's could stay home with their children 50 years ago but no longer....it now takes both parents to make a living. I have some select thoughts and beliefs where those two are concerned but I best keep it to myself 😎

[@debbienpeters]

Carolyn Diedrich I think the reason why they started doing TV was to pay for their kids. As in, there is no way that one person’s salary could support that many people.

[@jodilawler4956]

People like to watch them because they are a trainwreck!!! You can't help but watch!!!

[@franypany1]

My only opinion: This is what happens when you believe you need to push out so many kids as possible and don't actually pay attention to what's happening to them.

[@artist45]

I agree that how the Duggar’s are raising their children is ‘cult-like’ and HORRIBLE. It always amazed me how they had a tv. Show that glossed over their beliefs.

[@michelesabo5204]

Your imitation of a Duggar, is spot on!

[@maneckineckbeard1749]

Admittedly, I'm not now nor have I ever been a Christian. But, based on everything I know, conditional and transactional love is basically the polar opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be about!

[@keeponpushing5262]

Austin, Derrick and Jeremy should write a book about the family. I'd be so down on reading it!!

[@bazinga9473]

You always discuss the rights of kids and the importance of their privacy. I can feel how passionate you are when you discuss this. You're one of those Mommas where all kids are yours in your heart and I think that's so sweet!

[@ericaburrell7493]

TLC should also be held accountable as well. It's awful.

[@sweetbeep]

Everyone acts different with a camera around.. not just the duggars...

[@romycatblack4250]

I wonder how Jessa will spin this one, hahahahahahahahahahahaha. This is so amusing.