Jim Cornette on The 2024 Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame Inductees

[@JenniferPoco]

Wrestling observer newsletter has been around for 44 years and i am proud to say i have never read any edition or even one article!

[@gothard5]

same here

[@dragonordie]

Same here

[@ojlott-w4n]

I heard Eric bischoff n others say years ago that the real wrestling observer wasn't a real thing nomore in the 90s and nobody paid attention to Dave until he started doing podcast

[@keeganhurley119]

Same

[@marktaylor4795]

Been a wrestling fan fo 40 years .never read an observer news letter and never will . Concensus is dave is a good historical archivist of wrestling but has no clue what good wrestling is anymore .he's lost what touch he did have . Being a young bucks and kenny supporter is prove of that .

[@TheMagnificentMongoSlade]

The saddest thing is The Young Bucks spent a long stretch of their careers riding the wave of the Bullet Club which means they were henchmen to Prince Devitt (Finn Balor), AJ Styles, and Kenny Omega. They "sold merch" but it was all Bullet Club merch, they didnt even start Bullet Club Devitt did. AEW wasnt their brainchild-it was Tony Khan's. So what are they getting credit for? Indie shows...

[@mrowley7300]

Yep that's it

[@whiteboy7thstreet]

people talk smack about vince or hunter having “their guys” but the young bucks can suck meltzers boot with that dog shit meltzer driver and you got people pretending theyre just talented, smh

[@brianpughsley8680]

Nailed it

[@mahakalavanilla6263]

Carrying bags for actual stars and naming a flippy move after Meltzer. Like nominating Goon #4 in the second act for an award

[@1KQ_]

The forever dwindling number of newsletter marks will purposely misconstrue their impact on the wrestling business as the years go on

[@archiemisc]

Dave Meltzer is the Perez Hilton of pro wrestling. He's a gossip columnist for a bullshit tabloid of his own making. Nothing more

[@tysontomko]

Rocco and Perez Hilton

[@TRoller927]

Actually, I think that's insulting to Perez Hilton. He at least knows he's a whore. Dave either doesn't know it or doesn't acknowledge it.

[@rogeredmonds5302]

​@BetterCallJamieParis Hilton is a damn good heel

[@shanestephens4728]

Nicely put. 🫡

[@jonathandrewstefancin5924]

Yeah but so what? I mean, this is where people lose me. Dave did what any of us could do. He's just a guy. But haven't we all known that for 30+ years? The only people who think this is a brilliant realization are the ones who keep saying it. It's like the reverse of the people who keep yelling that pro wrestling is fake. Like, yeah. We know. Meltzer is just a guy. We know.

[@Zeug_]

Absolutely NOBODY should be giving Dave any of their time or attention after that bullshit with Dutch

[@ojlott-w4n]

Dave been around for yrs and nobody paid attention or took him seriously back then

[@gzkarr3730]

True!

[@robdurfee6861]

@@ojlott-w4nyes, but some idiots do now unfortunately

[@0tt0z]

Once the Young Bucks are gone from the business, nobody will talk about them like they do Dusty Rhodes or Bruno Sammartino.

[@quercusquercus532]

They should be flattered to be compared to Dustin and David.

[@0tt0z]

@quercusquercus532 😆

[@andrewhofer3175]

LOL Brooklyn Brawler and Gillberg will be remembered more then Balding Dough Boys will

[@TheNinthHeart]

@@quercusquercus532Dustin ‘the putz’ runnels had no talent

[@Janon48]

No one gives a shit about them now except for some musty aew neckbeards😂😂

[@DripsawKilla]

Meltzer’s love for the Young Bucks ruined his legacy, it’s really sad to see.

[@john_blues]

Meltzer continually making up shyt and not owning it ruined his legacy.

[@RealGilbertGan]

Add insult to that is what he said about poor Dutch Mantell when he was battling sepsis.

[@KevLeBlanc-g2w]

He’s definitely loosing subscribers

[@darinlunderman8063]

It's not even a love for the Bucks, it's a goddamn obsession. What other 60 year old man is fangirling an indie wrestling team and their wrestling promotion nearly as hard as Dave Meltzer does??? I actually half believe that if the Bucks ever had a falling out with Dave and they & AEW ended up disavowing him, he'd go insane and try to murder them out of fanatic rage. It's absurd, and even a little concerning just how much of wrestling is defined by what the Young Bucks & AEW is up to in Dave's world.

[@johnc.knight9365]

@@darinlunderman8063I’ve even heard Dave talking about buying Young Bucks merchandise at the mall

[@jamesmcv]

The Steiners aren't in, but the Young Bucks are..... Either one of the Steiners would destroy the Bucks in a handicap shoot. Scott Steiner drew more money than both of those tools combined. Meltzer is a clown and a mark.

[@manuelper]

The amount of money The Steiners drew just in Japan dwarves those two goofs.

[@tommyfraz.]

@@manuelperwhich makes it even more off that Meltzturd hasn’t put them in.

[@travismiller4320]

I would watch an AEW Dynamite to see Rick or Scott take on the Young Sucks in a handicap match.

[@zlinedavid]

@@travismiller4320I’d watch that just for the promo that Scott would cut on them. “Hey you two twink bastards…” 😂

[@fuscinula]

Yeah, Meltzer gets no sympy from me.

[@TheManOfTheHourEveryHour]

Dave's gonna put Generation Me in before he puts the Steiners in 😂 TNA's HOF is legitimately more credible.

[@ErdrickLoto86]

LMAO 🤣🤣🤣

[@kaczok1985]

Traci Brooks and Abyss are the most questionable inductees. Which isn't bad. It's a small hall of fame but it makes more sense than Dave's.

[@ultralightpablo]

@@kaczok1985tbf for a TNA HOF, Abyss makes sense I guess

[@kaczok1985]

@@ultralightpablo Yes. Exactly. There's no one on there that would make me ask 'Why are they here?'

[@ultralightpablo]

@ Dave has managed to make a wrestling HOF that discredits wrestling more than WWE’s, and they never pretended to care about honoring the real pioneers😭😭

[@reginaldshort8486]

Over the last 30 years the 2 most popular tag teams were the Road Warriors and The Steiner Brothers. If u put The Bucks over The Steiners then u don’t know wrestling.

[@asaptwo9198]

Dave definitely knows his wrestling... thing is his getting paid a lump sum to act like he doesn't

[@MrT571]

​@@asaptwo9198he's a great historian. That's as much as I can give him.

[@jfdrac]

I dont know the last 30 years ...since the Steiners rarely teamed over the last 30 years lol. After the split in WCW they only teamed a handful of more times

[@josephrother7950]

​@@jfdracI think it's one of those deals where people don't realize that 1980 was like 45 years ago. Jim is guilty of it, too, saying 20 years ago and quoting Austin and Hart matches, when they were both retired twenty years ago.

[@jfdrac]

@@josephrother7950 Heh yeah its crazy the realitivity of time but yeah its when you realize some fans have been alive for longer than wrestlers you watched growing up have been retired or dead

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

I know basically nothing about wrestling history and I would know just from some quick searching or discussion that Junkyard Dog should be in any hall of fame. Absolutely shows the standard of people voting.

[@maxxdahl6062]

The only standard there is "Who does Dave like?"

[@chrissawyer1484]

Dave HATED JYD back in the day. I'm surprised JYD is allowed on the voting list

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@chrissawyer1484 He also hated Sting to almost the same degree.

[@jvomkrieg]

Tag teams not in the HOF when the Bucks are. Steiner Brothers, The British Bulldogs, The Hart Foundation, Dudley Bro's, The Hardy Boyz, The Von Erich brothers, The Uso's, Demolition, the new day, Harlem Heat and the ding dongs! I can probably keep going but you get the point.

[@quercusquercus532]

Hell of a list. If tag teams are a part of your HOF and the Steiners and Bulldogs aren't in it, what the hell is the point?

[@janreznak881]

The Bushwackers even lol.

[@TheNinthHeart]

“The usos” ….? Sarcasm?

[@jvomkrieg]

@@TheNinthHeart You may not like them but they were probably the biggest money drawing team of the 2010's and involved in the hottest story line of the 2020's. I'm not a huge fan of them, but those are just facts.

[@jvomkrieg]

@@janreznak881 As a kiwi, i should have put them in, lol. National disgrace on my part.

[@kennethkennethson4289]

Adrian Street desrves to be in there entirely just because he apparently beat the shit out of Jimmy Savile

[@raseriet69]

My love for Adrian street has grown significantly, God bless him and his family

[@milocooper9540]

And Adrian Street was the heel at the time for doing it

[@phildicks4721]

Lucky for ol' Jimmy that Adrian didn't 100% know what Jimmy-boy was doing to children at the time. If he knew, Adrian would have killed him.

[@eastsidereviews727]

Nice!

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@milocooper9540 He would be the babyface now.

[@InsignificantNick]

I'm just imagining Uncle Dave stuttering and stumbling over himself to explain his hof to Jim and Brian.

[@BuckyDStickman]

How did the Young Bucks got into anyone's Hall of Fame when they aren't even due for the Hall of Mediocrity.

[@durden2480]

They’ve never drawn flies on shit

[@jessepaiz6356]

All I have to say about the observer Hall of fame is that it took Sting until 2016 to get into the observer Hall of Fame becuase Meltzer and Alvarez decided he wasnt very good and pushed that idea before every vote

[@brklynboix00]

Asuka, a big star in Japan and the US, the first WWE women to accomplish the Grand Slam, longer streak than Goldberg, has helped put over many of the modern big women stars of today, is getting removed from the ballot? I will bet my house on this, if you had a convention and it was occupied by both casual and hardcore fans, and 2 lines, One to meet The bucks and the other to meet Asuka, and those people had to choose only one or the other, Asuka will have the longer line, I guarantee you she has more recognition and popularity amongst the people of the US than the bucks do. The observer is a JOKE!

[@ScottRen14]

I agree

[@brysoncherry9884]

Casuals don't go to cons or spend money. Argument lost already. Let alone would they if it was a weekend they'd rather be dopamine addicted drinking liquor hanging with nobodies talking about nothing calling that time well spent

[@theblackratexplores]

Its more like Marks stuffing their favorite wrestlers into "our mark hall of fame" its bullshit.

[@NoHandle9000]

Dave must have blow up dolls of the Bucks hiding in his closet.

[@johnkolko5199]

Nope. He has the real thing in there.

[@Mistertbones]

Ox Baker would destroy both Young Bucks with one heart punch.

[@TomFoolery350]

Ox Baker these days is still more powerful than the Bucks

[@johnkolko5199]

@@TomFoolery350 I believe he lives on in Dutche's moustache and beard

[@kemocity]

No retired wrestlers voted for the Young Bucks. Was does that say?

[@jeffreybartoletti5259]

Out of touch😅

[@TomFoolery350]

jealous, probably. they obviously don't study cagematch.

[@Vic_Chaos_]

​@@jeffreybartoletti5259well duh. They're wrestlers, they're only in touch with wrestling. Why wouldn't they be out of touch with the developments of circus acrobatics?

[@brysoncherry9884]

They don't watch because they're not involve and bitter. You can list more that are than aren't. But sure it's because they sucknot because those legends stopped after working. Look at Bruno stopped for 2 decades until hhh called him. So Kurt sucked because Bruno didn't watch him by your own logic? Didn't think k that far ahead,just miserable noise

[@benespinosa6725]

LMAO the artwork of dave meltzer with his tongue out always cracks me up I've always wondered what the backstory of it is.

[@DanBrown0531]

There's a video of the Elite (Omega and the Bucks) in a ring somewhere, and they point out Dave at ringside, who for whatever reason decided to stick his tongue out and shake his head like an insane person lol

[@chico1680]

Such good shit, pal

[@benespinosa6725]

​@DanBrown0531 LMAO ok thanks I learned something new today.

[@benespinosa6725]

​@@chico1680why do i always hear this in vince's voice lol.

[@dontakeshit]

He always sticks his tongue out he did it on some stage for observer/basement dweller get together

[@justinbush4482]

So young bucks are in. And John cena isn't. What fucking sense does that make ????

[@kenthegamer]

Far from a Meltzer fan but he is in it. With that being said how the hell is the Young Bucks in his HOF before guys like the nWo,Batista,JYD and even the Ultimate Warrior who at point rivaled Hogans popularity?

[@milocooper9540]

Cena is in. He was inducted first ballot.

[@seanbuchanan5402]

@@milocooper9540please stop describing this like it’s a real thing . Can we take a day trip to this hall of fame 😂😂😂

[@MrT571]

​@seanbuchanan5402 yes. I went once. I think it was on the 32nd of January. 😆

[@Sparkledash1]

You wanna talk influential figures in Wrestling? Why is someone like Otto Wanz not in the Hall of Fame? Most people in the states only know him for his AWA run and his controversial reign as AWA champion. But in Austria and Germany (especially Bremen where i am from) he was considered an icon and an incredible influential figure for the rise of pro wrestling over here. He promoted big wrestling events during the christmas season in Bremen during the 80s and early 90s and brought in big names like Andre the Giant, Chris Benoit, Bradshaw, Fit Finlay, Jushin Liger and Terry Funk, while also promoting local talent and the house was always packed. And he is supposedly not as hall of fame worthy as the Young Bucks? Give me a break.

[@cosmobrownslivingpuppetsshow]

Gott des Telefonbuch Zerreisens

[@neilbiggs1353]

Have you thought about writing in to Jim to see what he knows about Otto? Honestly, it seems like there could be a good book for someone (maybe James Romero) looking in to the European history of Pro-Wrestling as from what I remember, most of the books focus on the US and Japan, and maybe Jim discussing him triggers that

[@maxxdahl6062]

He actually wouldn't have been a bad AWA champion had he been built up seriously instead of the championship win just happening.

[@paulc1553]

Cornette's right correcting Last. You should read the names that got in first then the ones that missed out.

[@wilcee238]

Dave Meltzer is like the Dave Chappelle improv of Dylan from “Making Of The Band” (Dave Meltzer)- “Name the 5 greatest tag teams of all time:Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks, Young Bucks and Young Bucks Their flips are hot fire!”

[@Brando-Lee3725]

HAHAHA!!!! I forgot about Dy-Lan. That Chapelle skit as well as your comment cracked me up! TK has that lost look on his face like Dy-Lan sometimes too. LOL!

[@kilojayfalcon]

As a Chappelle Show lover I needed this. Columbian Breast Milk.

[@traviskemp6222]

Hahaha

[@LUWiseguy08]

Long live Dylan, he who spits hot fire!

[@hgriff14]

how many years until dave puts tony the snow man in his hof?

[@mjdf122]

He was inducted 2019

[@hgriff14]

@@mjdf122he what ?

[@mjdf122]

@@hgriff14 Dave inducted him back in 2019 to the HOF 😆

[@SharptonsRaceCard]

@@hgriff14 Yeah, the Booker of the Year is already in Meltzer's HoF

[@MoxyOh]

☠️☠️☠️☠️​@@mjdf122

[@toddkurzbard]

THIS time, not only do we get a Meltzer Tongue, we get TWO Meltzer Tongues! 2 Meltzer Tongues up!!!

[@RealGilbertGan]

Make that 5 (with the other 3 on the trash bin)

[@toddkurzbard]

@@RealGilbertGan But you don't SEE the other 3's tongues. So, even though they are undoubtedly there, they cannot be counted due to lack of visibility.

[@RealGilbertGan]

@@toddkurzbard I know that. But still, Meltzer's tongue-sticking face is just hilarious

[@josephstewart6836]

I also don't like current wrestlers going into the hof. Even if it's an imaginary hof. The hof should be one last big moment for these people and it lessens that when active wrestlers go in. Rey and Heyman are obviously hofers but putting them in prematurely (imo) was eye rolling.

[@AdrianBeegoatz]

I definitely agree that current (active) wrestling personalities should not be getting put up for Hall of Fames. Especially when so many older and fully retired veterans don’t get their due respect. But…AT LEAST Rey and Heyman had 30-40 years of experience in the business by the time they got into the WWE Hall of Fame. How long have the Dumb Bucks been around?

[@RandalfElVikingo]

HoF is it to appreciate the career of someone. Imagine not ending your career yet and being in the HoF.

[@troybannish2656]

Knowing what Dave Meltzer is today, 11/22/24, do we think that C.M. Punk would've made the HOF, IF Punk had stayed with AEW?!?!

[@traviskemp6222]

Dave didn’t change, he has always been a fraud.

[@ScottRen14]

Unlikely, it's clear to anyone that Dave has an agenda against Punk, he begrudgingly gave the match with Macintyre 5 stars after public pressure

[@Christian.J_hXc]

Remember when the young bucks got booed, and not wrasslin boos, when they showed their dumb faces after the first FTR v The Briscoes match? Roh sure loves them

[@AJnzxv1]

The dismissal of Randy Orton is unbelievable. The best new all-round wrestler of the third millennium (wrestling ability, star power, promo work, interesting storylines, great matches, longevity etc).

[@GodlessScummer]

It's definitely ridiculous that Johnny Saint is voted in before Big Daddy. Yea Saint was a great wrestler but was never a mainstream celebrity and pop culture figure in the UK the way Big Daddy was. The Wrestling Observer HOF has become even more of a joke than the WWE HOF.

[@bcal8118]

Who

[@ChasingLamely]

​@@bcal8118Big Daddy was the biggest draw in British wrestling history, followed closely by Giant Haystacks (aka Loch Ness in WCW) and Kendo Nagasaki, who despite the name was less Japanese than IKEA.

[@ThomasMiddlehurs1984]

Big Daddy had TV audiences in the 10s of millions. I still have a home his beneo style comic books and annuals he if Kevin Nash and Hogan are there so should Daddy. Wrestling is a work.

[@GodlessScummer]

@@ThomasMiddlehurs1984 exactly. Almost anyone over the age of 40 in the UK knows who Big Daddy was. Even if they don't watch wrestling.

[@steveogden5774]

Big Daddy was also a big reason why Greg Dyke took wrestling off World of Sport and essentially killed the UK wrestling scene for over a generation. It is still a shadow of its former self.

[@JAKJacobs]

It would take both the bucks to hold up a hall of fame award

[@Michael-zt8rk]

This is one of the (many) reasons I just cannot take them seriously. I'm an average/small guy. 5'6" and 170lbs. I can throw a punch, but a combat athlete I am not. In a legitimate fight, I would genuinely fancy my chances against either of the Buckaroos. So how are they supposed to be taken seriously as a legitimate threat in any altercation? Cosplay kids doing cosplay bullshit.

[@Bonifatus]

Imagine if the American Baseball Hall of Fame tried to regularly induct Japanese baseball players who never played in the US - they, best case, would resort to purely mechanical debates on statistics because they’d be totally divorced from the cultural context of when those players played. If Dave wants to celebrate Japanese wrestlers, he needs to get Japanese wrestling experts to be his voters. The corollary to that is that historians should be the only ones who vote for the historical wrestlers, the journalists actively covering wrestling and former wrestlers should vote for modern wrestlers (and only those who are not actively wrestling, it’s absurd to induct active workers before the full arc of their career is done), etc. etc. Instead this HOF is just the Wrestling Observer Newsletter HOF as Brian said, because Dave gets to stack the voter pool.

[@lordtao5617]

Oh it's easy to see why Cody Rhodes didn't make Dave's hall of crap. He's in WWE now and not AEW.

[@davidosullivan2456]

Kevin sullivan rip did a lot in the business

[@rontalkstabletop]

Wait. JYD AND THE STEINERS AREN'T IN?! WHAT THE WHAT?!?!?!?!

[@matthewp.3392]

Why are the bucks even being considered. God damnit

[@mbranch99]

Tag match I never thought I needed to see - Steiners vs. Young Bucks.

[@MrDevinmitchell]

Squash match, or at least anyone with sense would have the Steiners squash the Sucks

[@mbranch99]

@@MrDevinmitchell Well more specifically, watching the Steiners physically beat the holy hell out of the Bucks...

[@InfiniCalendar]

BUCKS, YOU GOT A ONE AND THREE FIFTHS CHANCE OF WINNING

[@maceomaceo11]

A shoot handicap match against Bron Richsteiner and The Bucks I'd pay to see. And the last wrestling I paid to see was the Pillman Memorial when WWE, WCW and ECW all sent talent.

[@ziggyszmulewitz7712]

@@InfiniCalendar Steve Rogers "I understood that reference".

[@ojlott-w4n]

I haven't heard the word "zima" since the 90s, which was a drink 😂

[@3DBrawlChannel]

Brian compares the Buckaroos to all those hall of fame worthy names, but all I can say is "yeah, but they weren't the first non-WWE act to have Funko Pops made of them!" Everyone knows you ain't a REAL hall of famer unless you have a JD McDonough!

[@antonlifer4449]

Gorilla Monsoon has a whole area named after him in the wrestling world and isnt in? For christ sakes. Also he was a good commentator. Him and Bobby were hilarious.

[@JTfromMN]

Well, Travis has done it again Pure Genius Work. TY Mr. Heckel

[@bigglilwayne7050]

I often go back to the Ole blistering Meltzer conference call, pure gold

[@ScottRen14]

What's the title so i can look it up please

[@bigglilwayne7050]

@ScottRen14 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3eodYZmh7iNhcksi=B1bhgUib_AX6VWHQ

[@bigglilwayne7050]

@ScottRen14 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3eodYZmh7iNhcksi=B1bhgUib_AX6VWHQ

[@bigglilwayne7050]

@ScottRen14 Ole Meltzer

[@Spurs24601]

Dave had the opportunity to make this HOF something meaningful in an industry of chaos. But, as usual, he can't get out of his own way. Really is a shame.

[@metallicbigtoe3949]

If that was the actual award, I'd so want one 😂

[@babayagaslobbedaknobba]

*The thumbnails just don't stop getting better and better. We NEED an art show for Travis! We need one in Louisville, so Cornette can attend!*

[@HouseVinstor]

Well its almost 8 am in my country, breakfast is ready. Time to listen another epic burial of Dynamic Dude Dave Meltzer.

[@Mezzala90]

Hello fellow european.

[@HouseVinstor]

@ hello to you too!

[@chrishollister80]

Uncle Dave's Hof is such a funny composition. I mean, at least WWE tries, sort of. Dave just throws darts at names on a board

[@theredraven]

I mean he isn't the one picking them is he?

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@theredraven not personally but the most people doing the voting are heavily swayed to the opinions of Dave.

[@thecorrected7401]

I know why, but it is wild that Bray got dropped from the ballot. How can a former WWE Champion, 2x Universal Champion, 2x Tag Champion not meet a criteria for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who worked Cena/Undertaker/Rock/Orton in consecutive WrestleMania matches not be eligible for a Hall of Fame? How can someone who is on record for drawing more in merch than anyone since Cena not be eligible for the Hall of Fame? This guy worked with them all, from Goldberg to Jericho to Brock to Kane despite being a “new” guy. As The Fiend everyone came back to work with him like Lawler and Foley and Angle because it was so over. The Wyatt Family vs The Shield was a legendary feud. Bryan and Bray created some amazing television together. The living tribute to his life is currently on RAW right now. But yes, put CIMA in the hall of fame instead. Far bigger legacy, clearly.

[@jamesd4223]

Every time Dave says “one could argue” all I can think of is the “With all due respect” scene in Talladega Nights. Those phrases don’t automatically make the statements that follow correct.

[@gtpliquid1290]

For historical significance, Cody Rhodes doing the original All In is very much to his credit.

[@outsidetheboxdesigns6265]

Steen and Generico, the Briscos and the Wolves, should be above the Bucks when it comes to ROH

[@redhoodkeenan121]

And Motor City Machine Guns

[@j_mad]

I wonder if Dutch Mantel will get in 🤣🤣🤣

[@davidholdren1358]

Brilliant!

[@mrfrankly3404]

The Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame, aka The Meltzees.

[@RealGilbertGan]

Aka the Meltzer Raspberry Awards

[@jamesdulany2176]

Bill Goldberg sold out the old Georgia Dome on a Monday night (if I remember right). I defy the Young Bucks to sell out Mercedes-Benz Stadium on a Wednesday night.

[@Zumii]

Dave Meltzer spent 25 years building up his reputation, and it took him less than 5 years to completely destroy it. His credibility has been utterly destroyed, and he hammers another nail in to the coffin every week it seems like. Was it really worth it, for the Young Bucks and Tony Khan?

[@NoHandle9000]

Dave has hated WWF/WWE with all the fiber in his being for over 40 years. He is being paid by Tony Khan. Can't change my mind.

[@jtaco4101]

Idk if he's being paid but it's certainly in his direct financial interest to support AEW.

[@Mezzala90]

Nope, sadly he is doing that for free. So its become even more sad.

[@maxxdahl6062]

He hated WCW even worse before they went under.

[@Mr92094]

I’m not sure he’s paid in money but AEW is booked exactly as Dave has wanted wrestling booked for years. To badmouth AEW would be admitting his ideas were wrong

[@billshogun7068]

Sid is off the ballot? Most fans remember him more than almost anyone mentioned in this segment!

[@quentinkaasa47]

World champion of the two biggest promotions in the history of the business, main evented two WrestleMania's, against Hulk Hogan and The Undertaker. But I guess Tony Schiavone is just more important and historically significant. 🙄

[@nerdrage557]

Never cared about this pretend hall of fame and certainly don't care even more now with Meltzers recent shitty behavior even by his standards.

[@mjdf122]

It’s all in Dave’s head

[@ShredderLivesOn]

The answer is yes. Johnny Saint was a draw in England. Cards with himself against Mick McManus, 'Crybaby' Jim Breaks, Steve Grey, Rollerball Rocco, and Fit Finlay, were big draws. People came to see him tie a villain in knots, and embarrass them in the middle of the ring. While Big Daddy had all of the hype, the fact is Johnny Saint was British wrestling's ultimate blue eye (babyface), and to borrow a quote from Corny that he used to use about Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson. Big Daddy, you saw it once and it was over. Johnny Saint would draw you solid money for 20 years. That was proven when Joint Promotions under Big Daddy and booked by his brother Max Crabtree struggled to draw at live events, and this was before they lost TV. As Big Daddy was as insulting to adult fans in the UK, as cartoon wrestling was to people in the Southern United States who had watched the style of the territories before Vince's national expansion. It was even worse for Joint Promotions after they lost TV, with them failing to pack out buildings between 1988 and Big Daddy having to retire after a heart attack in late 1993. They had tried so much to build the promotion around him and him alone, that their next move was to sign Davey Boy Smith in 1994 when he was between jobs. Which lasted about six months before he was picked up by the WWF again, and Joint Promotions ultimately shut down in 1995. Johnny Saint meanwhile was still drawing crowds in All Star Wrestling, both at live events against the likes of Mark Rocco while they were still on TV. But even afterwards he would still draw in an audience as the top billing by contesting the light heavyweight championship against the likes of Steve Grey, Fit Finlay, or Dave Taylor. Or tagging in the main event against the likes of Kendo Nagasaki.

[@Raveneffect1989]

Adrian Street is a hall of fame wrestler.

[@ebransc09]

Regional star

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@ebransc09 Everybody were "regional stars" back in his day.

[@juicyfruit6311]

​@@ebransc09Regional/territory star? He toured different territories as part of the NWA & AWA. He was booked as an attraction.

[@cosmoissleeping]

The Hall of 40 Year Old Virgins Beloved

[@petefrenzel7296]

Hayabusa & The Von Erichs absolutely needs to be there!! Bona-fide Legends.

[@Bisk74]

I’ve illegally downloaded Meltzer’s archives once and I’m proud to say he never got a dime outta me since my introduction to wrestling in ‘81.

[@TheMagnificentMongoSlade]

Same lol

[@TheMM1215]

Mr. Wonderful was SO GOOD. His heel turn on Hogan worked me as a young lad. Just great all around.

[@analiysanchez9949]

It’s one of my earliest memories of wrestling😊

[@Nofunleaguesportschannel]

Uncle dave snortin too much snow with tony khanman ☠️

[@VBDC_Music]

I don’t know if CIMA should be in or not but if you haven’t seen his performance in the 2000 Super J Cup, you’ve got to. It’s a high water mark for Japanese wrestling (in my humble opinion.)

[@Chronoir3]

CM Punk will never in Uncle Daves "Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame" cause it'll upset his daddies *The Counterfeit Bucks* Also if you listen closely at Uncle Dave when talking about his daddies, you can hear the *hawk tuahs* he's giving them.

[@athanaskozhuharov9700]

If CM Punk never got in WWE and had the career he had, Tyler Black, Bryan Danielson, El Generico and Kevin Steen would be still be wrestling in bingo halls. I always felt like Punk's signing was the butterfly effect in wrestling, he was patient zero for indie guys after the fall of WCW and ECW.

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@athanaskozhuharov9700 It was the fall of the territories that caused Indy wrestling to happen. Bunch of promotions without either the knowledge or the money to do anything seriously, same with the wrestlers. Neither WCW nor WWE were going to find as many people who knew what they were doing and had to start making their own.

[@ScottRen14]

Been on holiday, just got home & this is here to greet me, Thanks guys instant click

[@andrewhofer3175]

LOL not having Steiners, Bulldogs, or Von Erichs but having Balding Dough Boys says it all on what a joke Meltzers "awards" are. But I honestly don't believe anyone really voted Balding Dough Boys in. Meltzer just lied and put them in. Everything about Meltzer is a bad joke.

[@woozycoot]

Since I watched Smokey mountain episodes I will never forget Paul orndorff asking that kid his favorite wrestler , “WHITE LIGHTNIN’!” And tears his poster hahaha

[@jackkottwitz5236]

The divide in professional wrestling between something that a person can watch and the horrible pseudochoreographed southern California Indy wannabe gymnastics of the Bucks grows more every day.

[@donaldkennedy9573]

And John Tolos isn't in the Observer Hall of Fame. That is shameful.

[@seanbuchanan5402]

No shame. It doesn’t matter . Increasingly

[@JuliusC1973]

I saw Cima wrestle at the Dragon Gate Shows that Dragon Gate ran in Philadelphia in 2009 and 2010. Jon Moxley, Pak, Brodie Lee were among the Wrestlers who worked those shows for Dragon Gate.

[@foproy]

Someone ultimo dragon trained almost got in, but is ultimo in?

[@JuliusC1973]

Shingo Takagi was also trained by Ultimo Dragon and we saw him wrestle at The Dragon Gate Shows in Philadelphia. We'vve also seen him work for AEW, New Japan Pro Wrestling and other Professional Wrestling Promotions.

[@woody72691]

Remember Meltzer has this irrational hatred for the junkyard dog calling him the junkfood dog

[@option3590]

Hardly irrational. Even Jim will admit he was painful to watch after a point.

[@vsprdln]

Youngblood & Steamboat was my first followed angle growing up. Saw Snuka and Steamboat go at it in the Cincinnati Gardens with Ricky trying to get revenge for Jay getting injured by Snuka

[@nowtheworld138]

Uhm I’m lost why won’t Big Daddy be in the HOF?

[@seanbuchanan5402]

Not a real HOF

[@childofnature4402]

That Costco goof will probably get in next year.

[@tysontomko]

His eyebrows are better than yours

[@Wayne-i5s]

the young bucks are in but the Steiners aren't😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Meltzer is beyond a joke

[@dcb_75]

If the Bucks were really successful in ROH, we wouldn't have AEW right now because there would have been no need - ROH would have become huge if the Bucks, Omega, etc were really as good as guys like Dave keep pushing. The fact that AEW shows can't crack a million viewers shows that they are not popular or successful so this has nothing to do with their work and is simply so they can now go on AEW tv and call themselves a HOF team. We laugh at the joke that the wwe HOF has turned into but having the Bucks in when the Bulldogs, who really did change tag team wrestling, or the Steiner are not makes this HOF a complete sham.

[@john_blues]

Speaking of Hall of Famers, CM Punk and Paul Heyman returned tonight.

[@nickhughes8179]

To quote Honky Tonk Man It’s not a Hall of Fame!

[@mjdf122]

The Cauliflower is the real one

[@Pav316]

My buddy beat honky tonk man in the ring because he forgot kick out. He went full hogan politically on him backstage. Crazy stuff

[@0tt0z]

"Dont drink the piss, Jake!"

[@F154B0N3]

The rules on Meltzer's star ratings are as clear as the rules off a professional wrestling match. Befitting

[@MariuszMroczek-dd7ku]

It's time again for The Aluminum Hat Awards. That means it won't be long until this year's Chris Jericho's Christmas Meltdown.

[@jesterr7133]

I think you cannot count on modern voters to have enough awareness of historical figures from the distant past to vote them into any Hall of Fame. After a certain point, you just have to put them in if you want them to be in. I have been a wrestling fan for over 30 years, and I have never heard of a couple of people that Father Jim and Brian discussed in this clip. I think that is the case with a lot of the voters as well. That is why the more recent wrestlers get many more votes than the historical figures, even if the historical figures had much greater accomplishments in the business. Jim and Brian are essentially wrestling encyclopedias. They can recite dates, times, and people off the top of their head that I could never hope to remember. Most people aren't that knowledgeable.

[@NycLogics]

Slick better be in this hall of fame 💪🏻

[@herbert9241]

A British wrestling card traditionally had weight divisions and the card pretty much had to be led by a heavyweight or heavy-catchweight match. Johnny Saint competed at lightweight but was always a fan favourite and probably a good draw. Along with Marty Jones, he was certainly an early favourite of mine. In fact if we're dedicating award categories outright to pro wrestling greats, let's call it the Hall of Jones.

[@Reggieeeeeeee322]

is there a ceremony for these awards? or are they "in name only"?

[@toddmcdonald8881]

I really never read nor saw the Observer. It wasn’t on the rack next to the Greensheet at the laundromat growing up as a kid or nowadays either.

[@dustystepp9487]

I am begging for a Jim Cornette Hall of Fame

[@Pyrogully]

The Junkyard Dog would be in every Hall Of Fame for pro wrestling

[@ebransc09]

Is a hot territory run plus years of national promotion midcard enough?

[@deepblue8143]

Gorilla Monsoon is my favorite announcer of all time.Him and jessie together were gold

[@DrHenry1987]

How many ballots does Dave fill out himself?

[@natedogg3947]

The steiners aren't in their HOF. That's absolutely insane.

[@nooneinparticular5273]

Dave's HoF has the issue every HoF has. You can't get everyone. You know, sonce a HoF class is typically 5 at a time, obviously there will be omissions. Like, as a fan of baseball, it always irked me how long it took Canadian baseball great Larry Walker to make the hall. But that's a necessary evil of elections to a Hall of Fame. Like, could I say, no matter how much I, as a Canadian baseball fan, love Larry Walker, say he would deserve to get in over, say, Willie Mays? Of course not. But that is what a Hall of Fame *can* and should control. You can't change that deserving people may not get in, or that it will take long. But you can control that undeserving people *don't.* Dave doesn't do that. In fact, the way Dave has votes tallied essentially ensures undeserving people will get in by his bizarre voting and category system and the fact that he lets both "journalists" likely meaning assorted people with wrestling podcasts and no historical appreciation or real journalistic credentials and current wrestlers vote. Which I assume does not mean real talent like CM Punk or Cody Rhodes that may have some historical context. I assume it means the assorted indy guys that talk to Dave. To again go back to baseball, while I have issues with their voting comission, I do prefer it be them casting votes at least. I dread to imagine what Cooperstown would look like if the Hall was filled by passing a ballot box through every MLB clubhouse. Every facet of the wrestling journalism empire that Dave has built over the past several decades is just becoming a joke. Even his once vaunted historical knowledge is getting suspect, as Brian pointed out, with Dave trying to give credit to the Bucks for ROH becoming profitable.

[@rotomwash0355]

When Jim said "Cema" all i can hear is the John Cena horns (brr brr brr brrrrr)

[@Jackofalltradesbn1]

The Bulldogs not being in is a crime against Wrestling 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧