Jim Cornette on The Passing Of Jim Crockett Jr

From Episode 371 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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[@whildhair83]

As an NC native I'm sad to hear Jim Crockett Jr passed... But I'm also VERY proud of how legendary the Carolina territorys became and STILL is

[@mc12358]

As an east TN native now living in NC, I agree with you 100 percent.

[@bdr113080]

Amen to that. Unfortunately when Covid hit my company laid all of us off so I had to move across the country but I spent my entire life in North Carolina and North Carolina will always be home. I think people that live in the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia etc. I think were the ones that take the most defense to today’s wrestling. I know before Covid the Indy scene in the Carolinas I think has the best independent wrestling in the country. I started watching wrestling in the 80s but when Ric Flair went to the WWF in 1991 I did start watching WWF and I kept watching WCW all the way until the end but man do I really miss good old fashion Southern wrestling. The one thing that really aggravates me is that because of Vince McMahon taking someone else having the audacity to be in the same business he is in so personally that even after they bought WCW there was never ever any proper tribute to Jim Crockett promotions. Or Jim Crockett Junior for that matter. It feels like today will hold him in very high regard and I know I Southern fans do but it would’ve been nice to let him get his flowers before he passed away. I felt like his entire life from 1988 until he passed away was he was the guy that screwed everything up and ruined the NWA and I just don’t think that’s fair at all. Rest in peace Jim Crockett.

[@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother]

Without JCP, there’s no WCW and arguably no Monday Night Wars.

[@Westlyn80]

TRUE. You can put that post in the bible and sell it to GOOGLE.

[@TJDious]

There a slight possibility that Verne and the AWA could have filled the 2nd place slot.

[@PontFlair]

@@TJDious Vern Gagne (RIP) didn't allow them to be a #2. He didn't change with the times and lost guys like Hogan, LOD etc and the final nail was losing Hennig (RIP) & The Midnight Rockers. Would've liked to have seen AWA make it but Vern didn't let it happen

[@michaelrose5614]

@@PontFlair too true

[@michaelrose5614]

@Sub if you are against Antifa and BLM ditto

[@thomass789]

Another historical figure from professional wrestling has left us. Because of the age of many of the individuals from the 1970's/80's world of professional wrestling, we will continue to lose many of these folks over the next decade or so. Thank God for podcasting and shoot interviews which captures and encapsulates so much of the history of the business. RIP Mr. Crockett

[@pooddescrewch8718]

This is the only exposure wrestling gets in my life . Its stupid and getting worse . So I just listen to old stories about the times when wrestling was not yet so stupid I could not watch

[@Bearwolf13]

It fucking sucks man...

[@thomass789]

@@Bearwolf13 It does suck man, it really does, but again thank God we have so much video and podcast/interview of this era of wrestling.

[@stealthbomber2126]

@@pooddescrewch8718 You can thank vkm for the shit you see on tv today.

[@stealthbomber2126]

@@Bearwolf13 That pos vince ruined wrestling on purpose.

[@dwade6322]

Ahh,back when a local Heel wrestler would have to argue with old ladies whenever he went grocery shopping...Those were the days.

[@sugartbube]

This is a great take by Jim Cornette. Must listen. You can tell Jim Cornette loved working for Crockett promotions.

[@gregorylevi1826]

Absolutely

[@blake7871]

He did, but who wouldn’t? I get fired up even today watching their stuff in the mid 80’s.

[@Kas58223]

RIP Jim Crockett Jr can’t image how heartbroken Jim Cornette is over it even if things went sideways between these two Jim Crockett Jr gave us the fans so many great wrestlers came who out of his promotion

[@ajk]

He sounds crushed, it's rather sad actually. He's never this maudlin usually.

[@brendonwilliam9813]

I am from Cincinnati, growing up in the 80's I had friends who didn't like the WWF either.

[@Kas58223]

@@brendonwilliam9813 it’s a damn shame I didn’t have the NWA to watch when I was kid only the one I got was the WWF, but thanks to wonders of the documentaries and looking up the old wrestling of Jim Crockett promotions on KZbin I haven’t been disappointed I definitely found it better than the cartoon characters of the WWF so ahead of its time like wrestlers were like real people instead of characters

[@ChickenLover-nm2ks]

@@brendonwilliam9813 omm

[@sidneygwaltney9931]

grew up watching n w a wrestling in 74 been hook t b s 605 it was like church on saturday jim crockett rest in peace greastest promoter of the south him and eddie grham

[@nicholasmantia5031]

I miss the old Superstation, Saturday nights at 6:05........Great times! R.I.P. Mr. Crockett !

[@-JAVY-]

Saturday nights had the best matches.. nothing like promos cut on live crowd backstage or on the side stage

[@hpshifter7783]

Must watch TV back in the 80s!!!

[@mc12358]

Andy Griffith, Atlanta Braves, and JCP. What more could a man ask for. Besides a cold beer and a hot lady!

[@abdurrehman4932]

I was in a restaurant eating while listening to the podcast yesterday. Those guys played solemn jazz right at this time. I cried R.I.P Man

[@apr8189]

I had just come home from work the day Jim Crockett passed away and had a few beers in his honor. What JCP and the NWA did in the 80's were the best ever in professional wrestling.

[@bryanelam7431]

I'm a east Tennessean and I'll be 43 in 2 weeks and I will always be a Crockett nwa man! In the 80's southern wrestling was everyday life! How people watch wrestling today I have no idea! I listen to him and old matches on the regular! Thanks to the Crocketts!!

[@mc12358]

I grew up watching SMW on channel 5 Bristol VA, right there with ya Bryan. I was a bit too young for the best years of NWA, but SMW was easily better than what the WWF was producing at the time.

[@bryanelam7431]

@@mc12358 that's cool!! This is how big of a deal the Crockett nwa was from about 83 to 88! I was in 2nd grade when the midnight express and the road warriors had the 1st skywalker match and me and all my buddies would have secret covert meetings at the pencil sharpener everyday leading up to the match to talk about how it was gonna all go down, we were eat up with it and loved it. It's where we learned about your momma jokes cause of trash talking wrestlers! I broke the collar bone of 2 of my friends trying to be Arn Anderson. And a lot more on top of that! If ya haven't seen any promos from back then look up Cornette and the midnight express talking trash to Dusty, you will love it! There is a bunch more of them on top of that!! Thanks for replying to me it's awesome that you know what a big deal wrestling in the south was back then!! One other thing, I don't know if he does now or not but Ricky Morton lived in government housing in Bristol.

[@lucky-sz4eq]

The greatest Pro - Wrestling on Television in history.

[@curtisb1445]

U damm it was awesome

[@dirtmcgirt8269]

Absolutely man

[@scagooch]

I could watch that 80's nwa all day long.

[@dirtmcgirt8269]

Same. Cant get enough of it.

[@apr8189]

Man, i miss the NWA in the 80's. 6:05 on Saturdays were the best. Farewell Jim Crockett Jr.

[@manuelper]

It pisses me off that Vince has the entire mid-atlantic tape library but they only have a few years up on the network. Release all of it ffs, us old school fans would like to watch it all.

[@sugartbube]

Even when I was in elementary school Crockett was always considered the REAL wrestling were as WWF was considered fake.

[@ej55033233]

This statement is so true. Was this way in my school in Va Beach, Virginia as well.

[@jenisia3600]

Facts

[@mackredsnapper]

Oh yeah I remember those years fondly.

[@maxxdahl6062]

Pretty much how it was in my household.

[@JakeNobody1979]

Same here in Canada. When NWA came on in the evening, all us kids in my neighborhood went home to watch.

[@artmeddaugh6669]

Jim Crockett Promotions will always be #1 in my book. I thank you and your family for putting out the best professional wrestling product I have seen on television or at the arena...EVER! R.I.P. Jim Crockett Jr.

[@halfwaydecent6842]

Little Decent turned on his TV one Saturday back in the mid-70s and saw a clip of John Valentine and Wahoo trading chops. Never missed an episode after that. Everyone talks about mid-80s NWA for good reason, but JCP had already been the best wrestling promotion on the planet for 10 yrs at that point. Johnny Weaver, Anderson Bros., Paul Jones, Mulligan, G. Valentine, Steamboat, Flair, Piper, Slaughter, Kernodle... A golden era.

[@jamesjefferson7926]

YES!

[@jonathanturbide2232]

It would be cool if Corny and Brian could have David Crockett on the show to talk about Jim Jr and the good old days. Rest in power, sir. 🌺

[@pooddescrewch8718]

@MemphoWrasslin1 What else has AEW earned but hate watch ? Or WWE for that matter...

[@jonathanturbide2232]

@@pooddescrewch8718 Mempho is as old school as it gets, he wasn't saying AEW don't deserve any hate -- they definitely do, he's saying that Corny should dedicate most of his podcasts talking about the good old days rather than spending that much time talking about AEW.

[@pooddescrewch8718]

@@jonathanturbide2232 I know . But he has to talk current to stay current

[@jeffmac9642]

@@pooddescrewch8718 I'll leave one comment then move along. WWE has 18 title belts and is MORBIDLY over televised 7 hours a week plus an ungodly number of special events. All friends wrestling is unwatchable because of the no selling death hospital moves and a roster of over 100 indy green guys. Impact and ROH are a non factor and sadly NWA is a dud. There just isn't really anything good anymore.

[@TheSportsfan35]

@@jeffmac9642 & most importantly, both Khan & Vince book their shows & talent to where nothing makes LOGICAL BOOKING SENSE & where nothing matters.

[@kutulukutu]

When I think Pro Wrestling, I STILL think Crockett. Grew up here in Cali, but we had cable. Every Saturday at 3:05 we'd drop what we were doing to watch some wrasslin. Still hum the old NWA WCW theme. Rest in peace, Jimmy Crockett Jr. Never met the man, but I'll miss him.

[@apr8189]

As much as i loved the Monday Night wars of the 90's, pro wrestling and the NWA from the 80's will always have a special place in my heart. Especially the period of 85 - 88.

[@michaelmarino7391]

The Crockett's (1933-1988) we're the Wrestling equivalent to being what the O'Malley's (1950-1998) we're to the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers. They kept it in the family for generations, then fell victim to the changing of the economic landscape.

[@christinadoxstader3004]

A smart man knows what he doesn't know. Hire the guys that know that stuff and let them do their thing. It's a problem in a lot of companies.

[@terminallumbago6465]

The problem is when people don't know that, and they put their ego above the company

[@thekidfromiowa]

Oh but Tony won Booker of the Year. Meltzer surely could never be wrong...

[@matthewbentzley7054]

You're Hot!!

[@mc12358]

@@matthewbentzley7054 how long did it take you to figure that out 😂😂😂

[@bookmark7859]

WWF was the first wrestling promotion l saw, but Crockett NWA made me a Pro Wrestling fan. Thank you to the Crockett family, and my condolences on your loss. RIP Jim Crockett Jr.

[@warrenroy7333]

I grew up n live in Alexandria, Louisiana and that era of Wrestling was the BEST!!! R.I.P. Jimmy ‘

[@rageangerman1432]

Rip Jim Crockett II.

[@aqueelkadri8371]

Jim Crockett knew more about wrestling than Tony Khan but was still aware that he didn't know enough to be a booker and hired guys like dusty to book his shows

[@Kas58223]

Exactly Jim Crockett Jr asked others for help that had knowledge of wrestling not trying to do it himself instead of this Dixie Khan that picks moments he likes and it makes no sense the booking at least with Jim Crockett Jr you knew who the heels and faces were

[@moriordan85]

How dare you talk about the booker of the year like that ... lol

[@stealthbomber2126]

Duh-ty was the drizzling shits as a booker. Crockett should have gotten Bill Dundee as a change of pace as the same tired shit the Mid Atlantic fans had seen many times before was getting old hat. His finishes sucked ass too.

[@Kas58223]

@2005 Cool Year least she had the smarts to do that all be it Vince Russo with a lot of questionable bookings regardless TNA made more sense than AEW if you try to make sense of it you’ll pull your hair out we shouldn’t call him Dixie Khan should be spoiled rich kid or idiot goof

[@TheSportsfan35]

@@stealthbomber2126 You notice everytime Crockett would fire Dusty or Harley or Dory from being the booker, they'd bring back Ole who in my opinion was the best for Crockett because he ran it like A business with a budget & etc, Dusty for some reason NEVER understood staying within a budget for the company.

[@nielsen145]

Fun fact, here in denmark, WCW had it here, including showcasing some old school tv shows from Crockett days lol, WWE had never a foot here, because they never did anything here note worthy, until the network launch, but to be fair either companies did not show PPVs here, WWE does now after the network opened. i tried to watch WWE , but couldnt, was not my style of show, finally after many years, i found something to watch, which is MLW :D

[@SammyVideoPlex]

So many people is dying, I know I'm old now. Wrestlers in my era is passing away. RIP

[@stephenrogers4537]

I believe the Crockett's we're much CLOSER to the wrestling fans than Vince was that allows them to be so successful 🤔👍

[@imcoop]

Loved Jim Crockett promotions of the 1980s. Watching WTBS very Saturday night at 505 pm and watching on Channel 50 WPWR on Sunday here in Chicago.

[@rebelwithacause3574]

I was born in the early 80's, I was born and raised in Richmond and my grandfather lived in Roanoke. Every Crockett wrestling show he would take me to. When it was in Richmond he'd drive up and we'd see the show at the Richmond Coliseum, when it was in Roanoke he'd drive the 2.5 hour trip to get me to see the show at the civic center and the 2.5 hour drive to drop me back home. It was such a wonderful time. RIP grandpa and Jim Crockett.

[@mrg8581]

Vince McMahon would have wanted to conquer the wrestling world regardless of his childhood. And even if he didn't, someone else would have gone national and put the territory system out business. Verne Gagne? Ted Turner? Bill Watts? Maybe even Jim Crockett? Too much money to be made in the 1980s with cable TV, pay per view, videos and merchandise goods for wrestling to have remained under a territory system.😥

[@humanomoly9620]

Exactly! Jim and others like to say that the territory system was the way it should have always stayed, but that system just would not be sustainable now. I mean when you think of smart phones and the internet, everyone sees everything nowadays so keeping your gimmick up would’ve been way more difficult. Plus with that system if it wasn’t Vince McMahon someone else would have taken over the territories and gone national. It probably would have been Ted Turner. Vince was just the first guy to act on that idea. Could he have done a little better with his product in the last 15 years and kinda reduced the consequences of having no real competition and keeping the guys on his roster believable, eliminated the silliness and not have Hollywood writers script his product, absolutely. Vince deserves criticism for that, but wrestling going national was inevitable.

[@stealthbomber2126]

There is no way that a company could not have ran a particular area and not be sustainable. There are still large parts of the country that does not have a pro sports franchise in their area. The thing that killed the territories was exposing the business, it instantly killed the credibility that the people that had accepted after decades of watching it. in short, they were told, it was a joke on you. And the people did not want to be told that in the south and southwest while the vast majority of fans knew it was not real. and when you have grown men acting like a damn chicken, most realize that after their small children lose interest as they grew up that as an adult there was no way in hell it was ever going to be "real" again. I cannot understand that after vkm got on national tv and said he "did not want to insult your intelligence." he promptly put a grown man out there for the world to see acting like a damn chicken and even had the grown man put his hair into a red stripe and cluck in front of them. And how the dumbass sheep could not see that not only did he insult them, he pissed on them and took their money they were stupid enough to give him in the process.

[@kenthegamer]

Probably one of the best promoters of all time. I think he was one of the reasons Ric Flair became a big star. Flair made a nice post about Crockett.

[@LilSteinyJr]

Jim Crockett was the best promoter ever because he didn't break the rules of territorial wrestling in those days .... Jim Crockett was a class act.

[@edlutz7218]

@@LilSteinyJr the best

[@robbiehammock2492]

where?

[@johngallagher72]

Sorry to hear ...we didn't get much NWA in the mid to late 80s here in Canada. The more hardcore among us followed through the Apter mags. Crocketts NWA was a big part of many of our childhoods . RIP 🙏

[@dwade6322]

Love 'em or not,these past promoters an wrestlers have so much to do with the success of todays wrestling and the money involved...R.I.P. to them all. 🇺🇸

[@stevep4574]

80s wrestling best ever..

[@franklynstubbs3803]

Deepest Sympathy R.I.P Too His Family And Friends

[@whitebathroomguy]

RIP JCJ!! David Crockett I'm sorry for your loss....one of the best fair promotors in wrestling, along with Eddie Graham of Florida Championship Wrestling

[@ryandavis4448]

I'm born and raised in SC and one my best memories was watching dustin rhodes and Kendall Windham start wrestling in my HS gym, back in '87 or '88 maybe?

[@rytimewrestlingandboxingfo2363]

Jim Crockett Jr one hell of a promoter rest in peace

[@keaddy123]

My Greatest Wrestling memories were from Jim Crockett Promotions! I always wondered what the biz would be like today if the JCP would have survived instead of Turner Destroying the company. Great Times Indeed! RIP Mr. Crockett.

[@dh1040]

If JCP was still in business, I would still watch wrestling.

[@dominicrossitto5890]

Exactly,...and so many others, myself included, would as well.

[@twrestlinga1]

I remember going to the Scope in Norfolk,VA from 85 to 89...sold out everytime!! WWF always went to the Hampton Jim Crockett Promotions and Mid Atlantic Wrestling was my childhood into my teens....great memories

[@RailsChicago]

JCP might have lasted another decade or two if they stayed in their wheelhouse and not tried to expand so rapidly. Instead of buying dying territories like UWF, Florida and Central States, they should have just picked up the worthwhile talent and left the rest alone. That being said, I loved JCP and still do and thank God we had TBS in Chicago along with the syndicated shows like World Wide and Pro. Even as a 10 year old mark, I knew JCP and the NWA were the real deal and much preferred it over the cartoon circus that was the WWF.

[@paulflewitt5599]

If you listened to last week's show, Crockett never wanted to go national. He wanted to stay in his lane, but his hand was somewhat forced by the WWF expansion and Turner.

[@stealthbomber2126]

@@paulflewitt5599 The corporate dipshits are the ones who put the killshot on Crockett.

[@stealthbomber2126]

jim barnett helped doom the wrestling business. his, or should I say her, conning Crockett into giving that P.O.S. in Stamford one million dollars was the clincher. vince cartoonized it immediately and exposed the business as fake, taking the other territories "real" status away from them. The Territory promoters had no idea how to run a damn cartoon show, and they in turn went cartoon lite, which is an automatic death sentence.

[@TheSportsfan35]

@Rails Chicago, blame Dusty for ideas like taking Starrcade from Charlotte to Chicago & having the Bunkhouse Stampede in NY is why the company had no choice but to sell to Turner.

[@maxxdahl6062]

Vince fucked two people, really, really fucking hard. Crockett, and Gagne. His tactics were absolutely fucking over the top hostile.

[@Briansgate]

I grew up around Greensboro, and yeah, NWA Mid-Atlantic was LIFE!

[@Dave-rf1zj]

The multiple booker team that was in Jim Crockett Promotions in 1983 before Dusty Rhodes arrived to take the book that Cornette was referring to consisted of Dory Funk Jr (as head booker), Wahoo McDaniel, Ernie Ladd and Gary Hart. Funk Jr had of each of them book a state. One booked Virginia, one booked North Carolina, One booked South Carolina and Savanah GA together. I forget who booked what state. This is information from Gary Hart's autobiography.

[@davidfrederick6003]

The ONLY time Jim Crockett Jr ever got involved in an angle (thats I can recall) in a physical sense was when Dusty attacked Tully with the baseball bat in TBS studio. Jim attempted to grab Dusty from behind but Dusty jabbed him with the bat causing him to go down. This led to Dusty stripped of U.S. title and suspended alas the Midnight Rider angle.

[@kevinpayton2664]

That is still one of wrestling's greatest angles. Dusty attacked Tully because Tully hit Magnum TA. This took place over a year after Magnum's career was cut short because of the car accident.

[@marklawson2004]

Loved listening to this and Jim's memories of working for Crockett and how wrestling was back then in the South. Sounds like it was a great place to work/live.

[@Deadpool_64]

"I'm gonna just do maintenance shows" *kills the hottest and biggest drawing angle going.* Haha

[@85futureshock]

When you go back and watch those old Crockett TV Shows in the 80’s, the reason the crowd was so hot is they didn’t view the product as a TV show or as like an attraction similar to the Harlem Globetrotters. Those 80’s fans in the Carolinas viewed being there as support for their heroes against the evil bad guys. For fans in places like Philadelphia, Baltimore and Chicago, those fans felt betrayed by the turn from the sports like feeling of the Bruno or Fred Kohler era in their respective regions to the cartoon presentation of the 80’s and JCP was close to the wrestling they loved because it didn’t insult their intelligence and they sold out frequently as a result. 80’s Jim Crockett Promotions was such a magical time period that ended too soon and gave a part of the country that didn’t have major team sports something to cheer for. All we have now is the memories.

[@SheltonHull]

Imagine Jim Cornette booking '90s WCW. Oh dear Lord!

[@lonzodreyella]

nwa was ten times better than the wwf the only reason why wwf got better because of the wrestlemainias.

[@thekidfromiowa]

As hokey as 80's WWF was it was certainly more over than the WWF now.

[@chadk890]

@@thekidfromiowa Randy Savage was better than the entire WWE roster.

[@PontFlair]

Right on Bobby Robinson. WWF had the winning business formula. Its why they're still around. No doubt. In ring though, WWF couldn't touch NWA/JCP. Facts. NWA tv shows out-rate current "pro wrestling" tv shows today, and they out-rated them mostly with top names beating jobbers. What my brother and I would call "Saturday guys" bc they just got whopped up on, on tv.

[@PontFlair]

It wasn't just WMs', Vinnie Mac and them knew business, marketing etc. Just imagine if JCP/NWA matched the in ring product with great business. We'd be watching JCP today. Remember, NWA put on a great Clash the night WWF had WM4. I'm willing to argue the free Clash on TBS was better than WM4.

[@chadk890]

@@PontFlair It was. I was disappointed in WM 4 ,the crowd was dead at Trump Plaza and Flair vs Sting at the Clash did better than the entire Mania 4 show.

[@cftvnetwork]

My condolences. Pro-wrestling would be nothing without the Crocketts.

[@streetsofsouthphilly]

This kind of wrestling doesn't exist anymore. The closest I can find to the old school feel is the Monster Truck Jam, of all things. Took my son to one last year just before the pandemic broke. We had a blast. Can't find a family friendly wrestling show where we cheer the faces and boo the heels. I miss it. Condolences to the Crockett Family.

[@drgribb]

Aww yeah. I agree with you about the monster truck rallys! Went with a friend to take his kids to go see it at the state fair, before the pandemic, and you're not wrong about it having a similar feel. I would say some of the "minor league" stock car races, at local short tracks, have a similar vibe too.

[@curtisb1445]

Rip Jim Crockett jr mid Atlantic wrestling my wrestling show

[@Doug41160]

would have liked to hear Jim expand more on this topic and more memories of jimmy crockett

[@TheEnzyme94]

Thank you for the Best non cartoon, Sports like presentation of Professional Wrestling! Saturday's at 6:05 will always be a special time! It was when the world stopped, because Wrestling was a religion to my former child self. Thank you for the memmories Jim Crocket JR! RIP!

[@starshipfame1]

Listening to this makes me realize how much of Vince’s past still shows in today’s WWE. Shayna Baszler did an interview about her main roster debut and Vince told her not to look like a workhorse.. “we don’t do that on the main roster”. He still feels some type of way about southern style wrestling and got a lot of stuff he needs to sort out...inner and outer

[@Aging_Casually_Late_Gamer]

Vince is a ruthless genius. But hes got some demons that hes probably not gonna get over before his life ends.

[@bookmark7859]

Hubris is a double edged sword. It has cut at the heart of both the fans, and Vince himself... if he has one.

[@teronnierichardson4374]

I was one of those from Rocky Mount, N.C. Still don't like WWE

[@stevew6910]

I never cared for WWE , even in the WWF days

[@stealthbomber2126]

I'm with you, 1988 was the last year I watched wrestling at all, the cartoon shit still makes me sick to my stomach and I will go to my grave hating vkm's stinking guts.

[@chadk890]

@@stealthbomber2126 You hated Bret Hart, Mr Perfect, Austin, Rock, Undertaker?

[@edlutz7218]

@@chadk890 yes

[@billywilliams8753]

Same here. WWF was too much of a circus

[@tacdout140]

Since Vince McMahon grew up in NC I wonder how much exposure he had to Crockett promotions as a child/teenager.

[@ciarantreacy7721]

Why is Jim Crockett not in the HOF? Vince has put every other promoter from that time into his HOF (Verne, Bill Watts, Eddie Graham, Stu Hart, Inoki) Why isn't Crockett in there?

[@patrickdepew4976]

I think he still holds a grudge for having to sell the timeslot to Crockett, for Clash I upstaging WM IV, for him trying to run in New York, for selling to Turner...

[@blake7871]

Because Vince knows if he didn’t play dirty, Crockett wins the war and his ego is too fragile to give Crockett any credit.

[@mikeraulerson4375]

I agree with you mr Crockett should be in the HOF no questions about it

[@stevew6910]

My prayers to the Crockett family

[@sugartbube]

Great insights to Vince vs Jim Crockett

[@smarkslowplay3512]

Yeah it's pretty sad too (Vince not overcoming his unhappy childhood)

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@smarkslowplay3512 Heard Vince Sr. had nothing, or next to nothing at all to do with Vince Jr, until Jr. was damn near an adult.

[@bonusbaby801]

30 yrs ago, Vince McMahon didn't like hearing his product was garbage even though it was...Seems times haven't changed a bit.

[@chadk890]

The WWF in those days is better than anything on WWE today I think we could admit that.

[@PontFlair]

@@chadk890 we should admit that. JCP/NWA was better in the ring. That's facts too. We just can't act like WWF didn't have great moments too though. There are "mid-carders" and "curtain jerkers" in mid to late 80's WWF that were more "over" than these "superstars" today.

[@PontFlair]

Bonus Baby, Pro Wrestling is passing Vinnie Mac by. The old ways aren't working. He's just falling victim to what everyone at some point experiences. And he's stubborn just like the guys he put out to pasture. Everything comes around. WWE is lucky that AEW or some other promotion doesn't have a Vinnie Mac etc to put the bullet in their heads like he did in the 80's to others. Nothing is too big to fail.

[@chadk890]

@@PontFlair That's my point. Alot of good Wrestling came from WWF too. I saw live the Bulldogs vs Hart Foundation and they tore the house down. Savage could wrestle with a broom stick and made it look easy. Tag teams meant something back then. Hogan vs Andre had 33 million viewers on National TV. WWE would kill to have that today.

[@Bearwolf13]

I'm from North Carolina and currently live five minutes across the border in South Carolina, maybe I'm a little biased but I think Mid-Atlantic WAS Wrestling. I had to sneak to watch the WWF in our house cause my grandpa thought it was "phony sissy shit" but the N.W.A was real. Growing up here we didn't have any pro sports teams besides the Hornets so all we had was Professional Wrestling and College Basketball. I feel like Wrestling is moving further and further from what it used to be and has turned into a side show...

[@richardcclark3696]

RIP JIM CROCKETT JR.

[@romainlavoie1526]

I'm sadenned by this news. Thanks Jim for letting us know. God bless.

[@jonathanturbide2232]

In a sad irony, the news of his passing broke basically at the same time that AEW did that "Horsemen" segment with Tully and JJ, last wednesday night. Very sad.

[@BOBBYSOX86]

Crockett seemed like he was in over his head with that deer in the headlights look

[@jamestakacs]

I'm from New Jersey and we saw JCP on WTBS on Saturday night and on local channel 11 on Thursday nights. As Jim said, it was wrestling heaven.

[@i.c.e.m.a.n.2674]

Being from South carolina...i loved the NWA wrestling! They came here all the time and it was way more exciting than the WWF...to see people like sting...lex luger...the horseman...midnight express...Dusty Rhodes..and so many more! R.I.P. JIM CROCKETT!

[@shanecochran1969]

RIP Jim Crockett Jr. Your legend will out live you. You left wrestling in 1988, but you finger print on wrestling lives on for ever. I remember many Friday nights at the Lynchburg City Armory watching Jim Crockett Promotions with the likes of Ric Flair, Roddy Piper, Jimmy Valient, Ivan Koloff, Jimmy Snuka, Ricky Steamboat, The Iron Sheik, Andrea the Giant, and many others. Thanks you for the great childhood memories, Mr. Crockett....

[@alexreadscomics6607]

Condolences to the Crockett family & the extended Cornette universe. A big part of the history we love is now lost to us.

[@gigglemaniarunninwild2207]

That graphic of Jim Crockett Junior is hilarious and so accurate!

[@carlostravis8223]

RIP jim crockett grew up watching mid atlantic wrestling to me this was the best wrestling promotion of all time they just had great talent miss those days crockett promotions forever ❤️❤️❤️❤️🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@PontFlair]

RIP Jim Crockett Jr Thanks for helping create memories with JCP/NWA.

[@Dakatari]

Despite Jim's knowledge for the business he was never able to topple Vince and the WWF/E. Rest In Peace Jim Crockett Jr.

[@DarksaberForce]

He never wanted to. He wanted to remained regional but was forced to go national to quickly where the money wasn't coming in fast enough.

[@Dakatari]

@@DarksaberForceIncorrect

[@jeffd5759]

I looked into it. The only major territory promoters from North America/ US still with us from the70s/ 80s are Gene Lebell, Emil Dupree, Bill Watts, Jerry Jarrett, Ron Fuller, Victor Quiones and Carlos Colon.

[@DinoSoGreat5000]

Victor Quinones passed away 15 years ago in 2006

[@jeffd5759]

My bad. I meant to write Victor Jovica.

[@robintaylor7355]

RIP I’m saddened by this very much.

[@DaWrestlingKnowledge]

R.I.P Jim Crockett

[@KHLB516]

Wasn’t much of a war in the 80s. From 85 on Crockett business couldn’t touch Wwf n Vince. Vince was running 3 shows a night making bank and Crockett was in the process of going bankrupt after not making Money for couple years until they sold to Turner

[@mightyblack1]

RIP Jim Crockett Jr.

[@MrJjburgess11]

I grew up a wwf kid. Didn't follow much NWA in those days. But I did know who Flair and The Road Warriors were. Once they became wcw in the late 80s. I started to watch them a little more regularly.

[@m.jarvis4638]

Starrcade 86 was the pinnacle of JCP wrestling. I remember when the VHS ( & beta, baby! ) of the event was the #1 selling sports video that year. The build up and anticipation for the event was so cool! If you weren't from the Mid-Atlantic area, you probably wouldn't understand. But that was such a fun time to be a fan. We had nothing but minor league baseball, minor league hockey, and wrestling in the early '80s here in NC. All 3 produced by Mr. Crockett. I miss those days terribly.....

[@mikeraulerson4375]

Rip mr Crockett prayers to your family and friends 🙏

[@javierortegon4425]

REST IN PEACE MR. JIM CROCKETT JR. FORMER OWNER OF MID ATLANTIC WRESTLING AND WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP WRESTLING ! JIM CROCKETT PROMOTIONS WERE THE BEST ! THANK YOU MR. CROCKETT FOR ALL THE UNFORGETTABLE WRESTLING MEMORIES !

[@terminallumbago6465]

I never got to see JCP's product, but I'm glad it's all preserved on the internet. It seems like it was a great time for wrestling

[@secretaryyamas-u1273]

Jim Crockett PBUH

[@bdr113080]

RIP Jimmy Crockett Jr. without Mid Atlantic Champion Wrestling/World Champion Wrestling yes what made me a fan of pro wrestling in the first place. Growing up in North Carolina Even though my parents weren’t fans of wrestling all of my friends and their parents were. I watched world championship wrestling from the 80s under Jim Crockett Junior and stayed a WCW fan until the end. Without that I would’ve never went on to become a fan of the WWF in the 90s after Ric Flair went there and would’ve never gotten into SMW And probably would’ve never been a fan of this podcast or Jim Cornett. I am very grateful that I got to experience all those things in my life and it’s because of the Crockett family that all that was possible. Luckily there are documentaries done about Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling/Jim Crockett Promotions That weren’t WWE produced so they are at least honest. I highly recommend them. Rest in peace jimmy Crockett and thank you for everything.

[@timemerson4162]

RIP Mr. Crockett. thanks for the memories.

[@RAA10382]

As a New Yorker, I grew up watching WWF in the 80’s and 90’s. Got into WCW (in the early 90’s) and ECW (mid 90’s) as well. But once KZbin came out, I was able to watch old footage of NWA, WCCW, AWA, CWA/USWA, Memphis, Florida, Smoky Mountain, All Japan, New Japan, CMLL, AAA. Prior to KZbin I had only read about these promotions on Pro Wrestling Illustrated when I was a kid. Jim Crockett/NWA is the best wrestling of all time in my opinion.

[@MilMaska]

"When I first arrived in WWE after having a somewhat high profile on-air role in WCW, it was WrestleMania season. In a way, I was perceived to be the voice of WCW after the Ted Turner/TBS buyout of Jim Crockett Promotions. That 'claim to fame' did not endear me to many WWE personnel." - Jim Ross

[@nriab23]

i love jims passion. I'm just sad I wasn't born till 89 and I never got to witness it.

[@assassssasa]

Jim Crocket Promotions the best wrestling in the 80's

[@jenisia3600]

A damn 😥. Travis beautiful picture, R.i.p. Jimmy thnks for Jcp, easily my fave promotion 🙏

[@marcusgreene8434]

JCP best wrestling promotion hands down. Every match felt personal!

[@1213grandjeep]

Sometimes I love listening to Jim Cornette talking about wrestling history and personalities. This is one of those episodes. RIP Mr. Crockett.

[@franciscastiglione5832]

Did I just hear Jim say that when he was in Charlotte back then, “the people were friendly”? In Charlotte, NC? Friendly people? As someone who grew up outside there in NC, who has gladly left it for Tennessee now, if you think Charlotte, NC ever was “friendly” the only green you’ve seen is what you were smoking back then. 🤣

[@MisterE1976]

RIP Jim Crockett, gone yet never forgotten. Enjoyed this review thoroughly. Thank you Jim & Brian!

[@coreypruka5501]

As a northerner, who grew up in Verne Gagne's territory, who sat in the St. Paul Civic Center in '83 and watched Hogan get DQ'd after dumping Bockwinkel over the top rope, I was extremely excited to see Crockett promotions show up on my cable system in the 80s!!

[@robynsnider4105]

Much respect

[@KayFabe87]

Interesting parallels between McMahon and Crockett.

[@jamoinc637]

R I P Jimmy the best wrestling promoter ever Jim Crockett promotions!!!

[@user-uo1qr6vn1q]

He produced the most exciting, and yes, the realest, pro wrestling I ever saw in my life. Those 5-8 years of Mid-Atlantic and JCP starting around 1980 were, IMO, the best years of the business. Maybe you could argue Mid-South was better, but for my money, nothing will ever touch the talent Crockett put together and the freedom he gave to them to create programs that made the fans actually give a shit. RIP brother. Thank you. Thank you so fucking much for all the memories.

[@KaijuEigaMan88]

Other territorial promoters still living include Gino Brito (International Montreal), Ron Fuller (Southeastern), Emile Dupre (the Maritimes), Paul Butcher Vachon (Grand Prix Montreal), Johnny Powers (the NWF that was based out of Buffalo, NY in the early 1970s), Dory Jr. & Terry Funk (they took over Amarillo following the passing of Dory Sr.), and Carlos Colon (Puerto Rico), besides the ones Jim Cornette mentioned. His point still stands, though; most of the old territory promoters are gone :(