Jim Cornette on WWE Raw's Record Low Rating

From Episode 362 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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[@djyanno]

After years of saying "Fuck you" to their fans, they shouldn't be surprised by the results.

[@jjthecat9692]

This. I've legitimately never known a company or business to blatantly treat their own consumers with such contempt like the WWE does. It's astounding really. Years and years of taking their own fans for granted is finally starting to bite them on the ass.

[@kira3159]

@@jjthecat9692 WWE just had their most profitable year in history, yeah nothing is biting them on the ass

[@jjthecat9692]

@@kira3159 Yeah they're raking it in through these massive TV revenues and the Saudi sell out money. Fan interest is at an all time low. That is an absolute fact. WWE network figures aren't growing. House shows were already all but dying on their ass pre pandemic and their weekly television and PPV gates were atrocious too. And then we have the ratings....absolutely shit. Sure, old Vinny Mac isn't gonna go broke anytime soon, and sure, he most likely doesn't care either, hell, they're VERY good at making money....not so hot at keeping fans.... Also, with the way TV networks are bleeding money right now I wouldn't be so sure they'll get the same massive offers next time around....

[@shaunsmith7928]

Let's see how much revenue they make when their fanbase dies out

[@Bbknuckles]

@@kira3159 you clearly know very little about business with that stupid statement.

[@doubles7533]

Sunday Night Heat was getting higher ratings than RAW is now. Think about that.

[@davidburke7777]

Even Essa Ríos had more star power than 95% of the current roster

[@24magiccarrot]

Sunday Night Heat was a decent show mostly a highlight reel of the week's events plus matches that mostly showcase up-and-coming talent and the occasional appearance of a big name. Now of course there are no worthwhile hightlights from the week, there are no significant up and comers and there are no big names outside of the semi-retired part-timers.

[@RedFox0909]

I remember watching Heat because it’s the only place they put Mr. Perfect for his second run. Where they usually jobbed him out unfortunately.

[@Harry-sc1xk]

Lol, wow. Viscera, Droz and The Hurricane more over than today's top stars.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

Yes 20+ years ago. I'm not saying it's a good thing WWE's ratings are dropping, but it's not an apples to apples comparison.

[@Janon48]

I , for one, am completely shocked that WWE’s “fuck you, you’ll keep watching” strategy isn’t working anymore

[@Drc902]

This is the funniest goddamn comment I've seen in a while. That said, I am also quite shocked and appalled at the failure of such strategy.

[@SpiralPoliFemboy]

2020 was the first year I missed about more than 20 weekly episodes in a year. I missed about 7 in 2012, 11 in 2014 and in 2020 I missed 20+ and in 2021 I've missed God knows how much

[@bigdaddyd6668]

@@SpiralPoliFemboy hopefully 52

[@SpiralPoliFemboy]

@@bigdaddyd6668 At this point I've missed almost every episode of Raw and SmackDown in 2021

[@RedFox0909]

I’m not surprised when you have forty television writers who’ve never watched wrestling writing your show.

[@ferox965]

Nailed it.

[@-JAVY-]

They all from reality tv shows..smh

[@fuzzymohawk478]

When people have to accidently get their nose broken to get over. WWE has to get rid of the idiocy.

[@jamalabdelbaset6635]

Yeah! Wasn’t Freddie Prinze jr a writer at one point?

[@TAXie-ck7ed]

Those writers can only do so much when their boss keeps tearing up the script and changes everything two hours before airtime.

[@jjbjjb273]

Wrestling fans have been waiting for the next era since 2002

[@AlexBrovo]

Ruthless aggression started then

[@AJ-xv7oh]

@@AlexBrovo Only lasted 3 years though 😔

[@justin_your_cousin9273]

2002-2008 6 years

[@DayFul]

This I kept persevering but I can't sit through WWE programming anymore there's no energy or excitement.

[@mr.speyside5240]

Exactly, I stopped watching WWE in 2003. I’m in the same boat.

[@derbycitycollector5243]

These 15 minutes were more entertaining than the 2 hrs. of SmackDown tonight.

[@jiztic8705]

3.36 million 🤔

[@k__u4598]

@@jiztic8705 it's because fox is popular than usa

[@jiztic8705]

@@k__u4598 its also bcz smackdown is very interesting

[@k__u4598]

@@jiztic8705 lol no it's the most boring show after raw if raw is full tag team matches SmackDown is full of family storylines when was the last time SmackDown hit 5 million 1 year ago 2 years ago ? Declining views shows how bad is show now compared to then I stopped watching wwe 6 years ago I only watches highlights most wwe matches are predictable

[@jameskennedy7307]

No they weren't

[@MrEmperorApples]

You know you've messed up as a wrestling company when you can kill AJ Styles' overall passion for the business to where he openly talks of looking forward to not renewing his deal and retiring. It is sad he arrived too late, after the WWE had become a joke and social media lit what remained of the corpse of Kayfabe on fire to publicly destroy every last ounce of the suspension of disbelief required to be entertained by any obviously worked fight or sport event. Smh

[@abrahamwashington1]

And punk and didn't do the most with Bryan really. Any other company would have made them a huge deal and prob cesaro also. I'm personally never ever watching them again it's too much goofy soap opera/ mean girls/ hallmark channel nonsense

[@wrobinson1702]

I haven't watched RAW consistently since WCW went out of business. Wrestling has been declining in quality and popularity ever since March, 2001.

[@kopner5672]

In popularity, yes, in quality, no.

[@maldini883]

@@kopner5672 It has the whole thing became increasingly stale since around 2004 it was getting more yawn than fun.

[@Mr92094]

@@kopner5672 considering there isn’t a notable mainstream wrestler that debuted after 2002 I’d say the quality is in the toilet

[@justin_your_cousin9273]

2002-2004 Smackdown was the last great era

[@brianm2881]

@@kopner5672 Quality and popularity are intrinsically linked in wrestling. Professional wrestling started as a crooked carnival sideshow, and the promoter was unlikely concerned with anything more than putting on something that drew a crowd in every town. And this mentality has carried down through the ages - what will draw the most people every week? If that is high-flying technical wrestling, then that is quality wrestling. If it's punch-kick brawling, then that is quality wrestling. It's not high art. It's about making money.

[@12mrshaw]

The irony is there’s nothing ‘raw’ about Monday night Raw. It’s the most over produced, over scripted, pretentious shit I’ve ever seen.

[@henrygvidonas9573]

It's not _raw_ . But it's not _well done_ either... Waka Waka!

[@honestabe6359]

Haha, that is a really good take. To think that it was often promoted as "unscripted and uncut" in '93.

[@thommohawk1216]

That's basically the problem, the show is over produced and overly cautious. Too corporate. No competition doesn't help either let's be right about that. I know AEW are around and they are competition - but with all due respect to AEW it's only because WWE are coming down to their level vewership wise over time. Not the other way around and a rising tide raises all ships kinda thing.

[@Gravydog316]

we'll take your word on that, since we don't watch it...

[@12mrshaw]

Who is we?

[@mikepuppetz9]

Lack of competition breeds complacency. The same is happening now with Disney taking over the entire film industry. Now anything Disney does is creatively bankrupt because they have no incentive to come up with original ideas, because they barely have any competition. Raw's ratings dropping can only mean good things for the wrestling industry as a whole. Now that they're competing with AEW, they might actually pull their heads out of their asses.

[@sacredsteeler]

I mean who doesn't want to watch a scene-by-scene remake of a 25yo 2D movie.... in CGI?

[@First1it1Giveth]

Where's the passion?! Who are the trailblazers that revolutionize the culture? It's like everyone is fat, dumb and happy with no incentive to make their own mark. There were great authors and poets in the 19th century, great entrepreneurs in the 20th, and now everyone has traded in their individuality in exchange for a plastic life that can be broadcasted on tv, the internet, etc. When I look back on some frog on a log playing a banjo and singing about rainbows, I get the feeling that he already found what he said he was looking for- and what no one seems to have today.

[@bloodeagle6458]

@@First1it1Giveth thank you

[@willisskull2676]

@@First1it1Giveth Well said. Creativity is dying. Wrestling has its own problems, but media as a whole is becoming even more bland. Appreciate the artists before us and become inspired, not just cash in on old movies. Back to wrestling, Jim made a good point how WWE sending several wrestlers to extra training to teach them to wrestle the WWE style is like telling Michael Jackson to foxtrot instead of moonwalk. The industry leaders like Disney and WWE don't want to change with the times and they are not going to let creative people revolutionize content.

[@iami3rian394]

"...come up with anything original..." Name three golden age disney movies that are original. I'll wait.

[@ZeroShaneBob]

The absolute irony in all of this is that Vince tried to make wrestling bigger. He tried to make it more "Hollywood", and bought out all of his competition. They dropped the "wrestling" and made it "Entertainment". Meanwhile all of his biggest stars left for Hollywood, and his ratings have dropped off the side of a cliff.

[@unlimitedrabbit]

And Hollywood is now being seen for the out of ideas schlock peddlers they are - so it makes sense that WWE has found itself in a similar creativity oubliette.

[@fadedmaverick5665]

@@unlimitedrabbit all hollywood gives us are sequels, remakes and reboots. Plus failed actors keep getting huge projects and that's why movies do badly financially.

[@abrahamwashington1]

Hollywood is fucked imo, very soon ppl are going to be over seeing 50 superhero movies for the 20th straight year. I really think pretty soon ppl are just going to mostly watch old classic movies on Netflix all day or things like the office, always sunny, al bunny and that's it

[@xxxaragon]

@@abrahamwashington1 "very soon ppl are going to be over seeing 50 superhero movies for the 20th straight year." tbf people have been saying that for at least five, if not more movies now. I'll believe it when I see it.

[@nateclipps]

@@fadedmaverick5665 thank you 💀 no more creativity, constantly reboots no one asked for.

[@skum73]

I've watched wwe for 40 years but now only watch the KZbin highlights. Even that is getting difficult.

[@haroldhampton4640]

Same

[@jimfaust6342]

I only watch and care about Bray Wyatt and Randy Orton. Lol

[@it_punkkid7298]

Hahaha that what I do lol mostly

[@it_punkkid7298]

@@jimfaust6342 randy sucks im tried of seeing him too much

[@muntari82]

Same I can't even watch the highlights

[@TheGarySphere]

"AEW is just sitting still while WWE drops" well they've only been around not even 2 years so not bad for AEW in my opinion. But this serves Vince right and hes never going to acknowledge that the problem is himself so I hope they continue to drop.

[@jkranites]

well after they lost almost 200k viewers this week. AEW is more than likely not going to threaten anyone anywhere

[@LilSteinyJr]

@@jkranites give it time .... AEW is gonna be around for a good while with the TV contract they got this year.

[@MrPaulf0x]

les bomick shows get cancelled with or without a deal... So don't defend them when they had just lost 25% of their audience

[@user-cx9gq2ud6t]

@@LilSteinyJr good wrestling ratings are gone. Nobody watches it anymore, way too much variety to choose from for casuals and the actual wrestling is still Garbage to.

[@vb2806]

@@LilSteinyJr The Sting hype is over, they are back to their 800k ratings. They might be around for long just as impact is but both won't make any impact, pun intended

[@kingrama2727]

WWE just has too much TV time.. it’s oversaturated, 2 hours a week is more than enough

[@TheArgoBots]

Over-saturated with commercials. Over-saturated with shareholders in position to keep the company down. Out of touch with TECHNOLOGY.

[@madhatter8508]

I can't watch 5 minutes a week of that stupid shit.

[@YudazOwn]

@@madhatter8508 🤣

[@sinsear2404]

I wonder if Bruce even tries at this point or does he just nod and agree.

[@kingrama2727]

@@sinsear2404 he’s there for the paycheck and health insurance

[@rxnupe]

There's nothing entertaining about WWE. The world titles are worthless- on average the titles change hands about 5 times per year.

[@momentarystudies2951]

Well Isn't Drew and Roman are like the best wrestlers in the world today? I thought both were doing great...

[@jjthecat9692]

They have some good talent but their overall presentation is horrendous. It's all just so over produced, over scripted, santitised, LED flashy, cheesy, nickelodeon-like bullshit. It's completely unwatchable imo.

[@momentarystudies2951]

@@jjthecat9692 Raw is horrible but SD is Decent to good IMO...

[@jjthecat9692]

@@momentarystudies2951 I disagree, that's just as bad, same shitty creative, but it's one hour shorter so slightly easier to digest...

[@el-youtub3r402]

@@momentarystudies2951 i can't see how anything is watchable nowadays with the fake crowd noises the add to every show. Its complete garbage

[@brandonizaguirre2963]

I usually despise this chant with a passion along with other chants but it couldn't be a better time to actually say "You deserve it 👏👏👏👏👏 You deserve it 👏👏👏👏👏"

[@chadk890]

Not from a company that gave us Hogan,Savage, Andre, Austin, Rock, Bret. Alot of good memories from the WWF years. I wouldn't use deserve it ,that's a stretch. This company has been through worse in the early 90's when they almost went out of business. Ratings aren't good so they have to figure it out. No big deal

[@brandonizaguirre2963]

@@chadk890 They can only live off their past success and people's nostalgia for so long until it just becomes unbearable. For over a decade, this company has given its viewers a massive middle finger and then act all shocked when inevitably the viewers and ratings are not there anymore. Again, they DO deserve it and I couldn't be happier that it's finally come back to bite them in the a$$ 🤣

[@chadk890]

@@brandonizaguirre2963 If I had a dollar every time this company was in trouble I'd be Bill Gates. I've heard this all since 1991. Just saying 🤷‍♂️

[@brandonizaguirre2963]

@@chadk890 Big difference between then and now is that back then there were actually fans who loved the product and the WWE actually listened. I know this company has been in trouble a bunch of times before (Ring Boy Scandal, The Steroid Trial, Chris Benoit, Owen Hart's demise, etc.) but as far as actual interest in the product, today's plummeting ratings is all the proof you need that tells you a lot of people are sick of this company.

[@chadk890]

@@brandonizaguirre2963 But people still watch is funny. If you don't like a show dont watch it. Smackdown has been good and NXT is a solid show. Where's the complaining about that?

[@CarnageRulez469]

Guarantee if they showed re-runs of Raw and Smackdown from when they were first made, they’d get better ratings than what they got now, cause legit no one wants to watch any of this shit from WWE, AEW or whatever the fuck.

[@metalgamer83]

They should just have an entire channel that is strictly old school wrestling from the 80s to say mid 2000 and that includes wcw stuff before they were bought out.

[@TheLWebb100]

@@metalgamer83 That's what the WWE Network is for.

[@ladistar]

LOL so true hahahahah

[@WhipDarling]

I’m the same as Brian. I used to watch Raw and Smackdown religiously but I can’t sit for longer than 5 minutes now. The lack of a crowd makes it worse but it was unwatchable for a long time before that.

[@liquidhazetv8756]

Sterilized and over scripted definitely describes the whole company pretty well. There is good talent and good matches on occasion but there's too much bullshit in between. You see the same people wrestle each other every single week then most matches either end in a distraction/surprise roll up or in Dq

[@ricflairomania]

Raw has sucked for 15 years.

[@stevenman013]

I'd say it's sucked since the Invasion angle.

[@money345atherley2]

More like 10 years at least it was still watchable around that time, this era is literally unwatchable

[@sacredsteeler]

Def since Invasion angle/went public

[@chubbycatfish4573]

And it just keeps getting worse.

[@retepoteil]

@@stevenman013 I have to agree with u, every one watch wwf during the attitude era, after wcw was gone the rest of 2001 didn’t seem as good

[@frankyfourfingers1382]

If you took the average person that does not watch and is not interesting in wrestling, of any age group, and put them in front of AEW and RAW, if you put a gun to their head and told them they had to watch one, I believe they are going to choose AEW virtually every time. They may think AEW is silly, but RAW is like it's made for someone with a negative IQ. Cringe is an overused word but it applies here. I like wrestling and I'd be embarrassed to tell anyone I watch it.

[@85futureshock]

"Am I so out of touch? No. Its the Children Who Are Wrong" -Vince McMahon on the 18-49 demo

[@TheSportsfan35]

@2005 Cool Year Tony Khan's a clueless money mark, just like Dixie Carter was.

[@willisskull2676]

@@TheSportsfan35 I survived Dixieland darlin', I'm not going anywhere near Khangolia.

[@alexmarquez9639]

@2005 Cool Year from what I can tell AEW are a bunch of snowflake indy smarks and even JR thinks it's cringe.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

@2005 Cool Year Tony Khan is in touch with the very specific niche audience he wants to be. Vince doesn't even have that much these days,

[@eastwaters4082]

@2005 Cool Year What is the real world? We know pro-wrestling isn't real, Khan is only paying attention to the base that puts money in his pocket, a smart businessman would do that. Vince isn't.

[@DrePants44]

Only one solution: Bring in Jerry Springer and Vince Russo to book If you're gonna go out Go out in a flaming heap

[@rexventura4603]

“I swear it’s gonna be great, bro!”

[@charlesgreen8703]

After what he did to WCW,Russo should NEVER be allowed to book a wrestling company again..and I’m convinced to this day that McMahon sent him to destroy WCW lol

[@jayfreeman5117]

@@charlesgreen8703 what’d he do?

[@charlesgreen8703]

@@jayfreeman5117 he made Officer Dewey The World Heavyweight Champion to promote one of the worst movies of all time...IMO That was the final nail in the coffin of WCW...I rest my case!

[@liamhuxley9961]

Raw needs to be more spontaneous and less scripted. Also, getting rid of scripted promo.

[@pk_1]

Get RID of the WHOLE writing team!!!! And Vince!!!!

[@dontabaltimore1974]

Exactly its an OVERSCRIPTED movie set.

[@liamhuxley9961]

@@dontabaltimore1974 Well, that's what happens when you have screenwriters on your writing team.

[@dontabaltimore1974]

@@liamhuxley9961 True they know zero about pro wrestling oh excuse me sports entertainment

[@liamhuxley9961]

@@dontabaltimore1974 Weirdly, the sports entertainment thing never bothered me it's more the massive focus on the goofy shit. If they did more Tribal Cheif Roman or Bray type stuff I’d be down. Less lame fart and poo jokes.

[@kingrobthegreat7446]

I think that if wcw didnt give the wwe competion in the 1990s, the attitude era would look like this. stone cold would be chilly mcfreeze steve lol

[@ericdale4641]

This McFreeze fellow sounds like he should get a push...

[@kingrobthegreat7446]

@@ericdale4641 If that fellow was around today, he would be pushed into a freezer next to Bryan and co. His personality would be "too aggressive."

[@SegaDream131]

Don't look now but, I think Glacier Sting just rode in on his Black Steed...

[@downwiththemaster]

Look what it was like in 95

[@TheDojo-no7cw]

FOR YEARS, its a 3 hours show and should only be 2 hours. The opener is usually either insulting or a snoozefest or both.

[@cryospiral]

Travis keep up the good work! This pandemic is dragging everybody down and now look forward to these illustrations at every corny drive thru

[@travisheckel5576]

Thanks. Appreciate it

[@shankshanky1761]

@@travisheckel5576 do some posters, mugs etc of this shit. Make some money, mate.

[@karlitosway7474]

@@shankshanky1761 facts

[@d3ath8ybac0n4]

I know it’s morbid, but either Vince changes or we wait until he dies. He’s secured himself even among the shareholders. It’s sad but it’s the reality.

[@alexmarquez9639]

Triple H is the worst one he was the douche that wanted to push all these indy dweebs into the main event

[@CM-jc7gk]

@@alexmarquez9639 lol what Would love to hear you expand on Triple H wanting to push indie dweebs

[@jjthecat9692]

Vince is the problem for sure. Sad to say it but he is. The harsh reality is his dated schtick is all over that show and the world has long since past it by. He really does need to step aside and let HHH or Shane take the helm.

[@el-youtub3r402]

@@jjthecat9692 the problem is vince will never change nor step aside....So the question is what dies first? him or wwe

[@jjthecat9692]

@@el-youtub3r402 Looking at him at Survivor Series, my money would be on him...

[@JM1993951]

I stopped watching in 2007. I can’t imagine watching today if I thought 2007 was boring. At that point there were still a handful of guys from my childhood that made me live wrestling. Those guys are gone now. Even if the product tried to imitate the Attitude Era it would be just that, an imitation.

[@abrahamwashington1]

The company has recently had some guys NEAR or at their prime like cm punk daniel Bryan and aj styles and didn't really make the most of any of that lmaooooooo. I'm a person that currently watches even small Joshi Japan women's shows and I think personally that they pop poo all over wwe. I don't think wwe is going to ever be "good" again myself

[@mrmaxcarter2306]

After WCW, wwe was still OK for a few years, but yeah, it was bad in 2007. All the greats are gone. I'd rather watch Sgt slaughter and hacksaw today then anything in wrestling. There are no great characters anymore. No great gimmicks. Wrestling was almost fake, but you had real crazy people. Macho was amazing and crazy. It all looks like generic boring crap now. It's sad when John Cena was the last major star. And I thought he was pretty weak as a gimmick.

[@jessycruz2465]

Funny thing is aew's ratings isn't also something to brag about yet it actually beat raw. Lol!

[@nathanielbaxter8044]

They didn't, but RAW is still pathetic.

[@user-do2ev2hr7h]

To some extent, but neither show is doing as terrible relative to the current market as some think. Consider that both Raw and AEW are often still good for a top 10 finish on their given night

[@FlixCreEightR]

AEW just started so. Bitching about their ratings is a dumb reason to bring up.

[@CreightonChaney-io4xv]

I’m not shocked that it’s reached an all-time low Raw always sucks

[@ManLikeJay]

Raw is War More like Raw is sore

[@CreightonChaney-io4xv]

Man Like Jay Raw is Bore Or Raw is Snore

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Speaking of shocks bring on The Shock Master. 😂

[@CreightonChaney-io4xv]

Jayson Raphael Murdock at this point might as well 😆

[@christianarnold2565]

@@ManLikeJay 😂😂😂 I'm dead

[@ASwagPecan]

Screwy finishes should be a once in a blue moon thing, not something expected on every single show.

[@necromora666]

Jim Cornette, you are absolutely my all time favorite wrestling personality. Grew up hating you now you're one of a select few I actually like and respect.

[@nicholasfarrell8403]

Vince sells sizzle, not steak. Always has, always will

[@oskirp]

Jim does sell steaks! Omaha Steaks, plus free burgers and that apple pie! Man, I wish I could have some of those.

[@ThatDigimonTamer]

@@oskirp ⁷

[@chisasa9509]

And yet Is CAPABLE. And Physically avoids it.

[@chadk890]

Not during the years of Hulkamania, Macho Madness, Austin 316, People's Champion or Excellence of Execution he had the steak am I right?

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@chadk890 Nope, that was mostly sizzle.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

Bring back Duke The Dumpster, The Repo Man and Man Taur. 😂

[@chadk890]

. That was alot worse . 1995 was worse than WWE 2020.

[@horrorstew3577]

They'd still beat the shit outta the aew roster

[@christophersuswal9544]

95 WWF still had Bret, Shawn, Taker, Owen, Razor, Bam Bam and later in the year Goldust. Those are all bigger stars than anyone on the current roster

[@impalaman9707]

I thought WWF's low point in the mid-90s was when they put their tag belts on a mudshow tag team the Headbangers! Considering that just years earlier they had more quality talent like the Steiners, Arn and Tully, the Road Warriors, and even the Heavenly Bodies, this was really sad to see!

[@chadk890]

@@impalaman9707 They weren't that bad actually and they were over. Better than that horrible Beaver Cleavage gimmick Chaz was doing.

[@joshuaclark3630]

No stars, no real angles, matches have no build and zero psychology. To top it off many of the wrestlers look like your next door neighbor and the same company gave us a network that constantly reminds you how much better the product was years ago. Why watch now???

[@alexfarrell3250]

What's interesting about this decline is the people aren't jumping to NXT or AEW meaning that they're casual fans that Raw is losing and is likely losing for good

[@alexmarquez9639]

Yeah I'm a "casual fan" and I haven't watched raw in months. They need to just cut the show for about a month air reruns from better days, and come back with a repackaged show.

[@austinewing2700]

@@alexmarquez9639 Vince will die before he does anything other than a live show on Monday Night. That record for weekly episodic TV show or however bullshit way they word it, Vince won’t stop solely for that reason. When in all reality, not one fan, producer, or anyone else can actually give two fucks about that record.

[@TAXie-ck7ed]

@@austinewing2700 I hear WWE is contractually obligated to provide live TV shows for most of the year.

[@johnmarkson1998]

@@austinewing2700 lol the reason why wwe makes so much money compared to new japan and aew is because of that live show...

[@alexmarquez9639]

All those nerd wrestling shows couldn't compete with wwe if the stockholders and probably fox force them to stop letting stephanie and the nose have any creative control.

[@centralhockey12]

I will actually never understand how people can watch WWE today. I’ll never judge someone if they like it, but compared to what it used to be, it’s not even CLOSE. The product completely derailed. If WWE never changed course and had similar vibes to what it used to be, I think there’s a 90% chance I’d still watch it today. Some people like to blame “getting older” as the reason they stopped watching WWE. I think that’s BS. If you ask me, the product went off a cliff. And a lot of people don’t realize that and just blamed it on age. The product completely went to the shitter.

[@michaelm5038]

I watch it don’t like it

[@JulesGunn]

If anyone on the roster actually has personality, we won’t be seeing any of that...

[@mistermann3225]

Exactly. You don't know if these new wrestlers have personality or not. Because they are not allowed to show it. They're being scripted to the very last word and if they go off script, they are heavily fined...

[@kopner5672]

Matt Riddle

[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

The YT reviews of Raw and SD are far more entertaining than the shows themselves. That's a problem.

[@jamalabdelbaset6635]

True, but I knew Raw was in a rough spot, when I all of a sudden didn’t feel like watching Simon’s Raw reviews, because I no longer care about what I missed.

[@jamalabdelbaset6635]

@@ajreviewsfilms9992 I hear you! It’s very unwatchable! I’ll watch AEW out of curiosity and to try and pinpoint what Corny will pick apart. Lol

[@ladistar]

@@jamalabdelbaset6635 damm LOL so true

[@thegodfatheroftoys3349]

Raw is a show about wrestling, with a bunch of people who wanna be TV stars, not wrestlers.

[@CallMeShoe]

Sasha Banks is the worst offender. She’s a "superstar", yet looks like the most unbelievable wrestler ever. You can’t buy her to win a real fight.

[@dustinrhodes4793]

Seems like WWE is setting record lows every week

[@devaanarayanannv8829]

Well, SmackDown is Wwe's A show.

[@cristhianflores674]

RAW: *Draws lowest rating ever* Tony Kahn: *The future is now, old man!*

[@emperortrevornorton3119]

Still not ever going to watch that shit show that is AEW it is like pro wrestling equivalent of 2 girls one cup I would rather not be a pro wrestling fan if this is the future of pro wrestling

[@anto-mac]

Never happen if wwe wanted they could put on top shows they choose not to no competition on them AEW ain't competition

[@vb2806]

Lol the show that went back to 800 k viewers is the competition?

[@EletricalMonkey]

And the future is mild!

[@TAXie-ck7ed]

@@anto-mac The problem is convincing Vince on what changes to make and making them stick.

[@leswhynin913]

I'm not surprised that WWE hasn't changed for the better when the leadership remains an echo chamber of McMahon Family (+clever marriage HHH) calling all the shots. The failure to successfully expand into streaming services is incomprehensible from a strategy point of view.

[@jjthecat9692]

That 2014 HHH "me and my friend mark are gonna stop watching" promo aged well....

[@rustcohle6490]

Viewers gonna come back during Rumble season. And I don't even have to mention WrestleMania;-)

[@jjthecat9692]

@@rustcohle6490 What just like they came back in their droves last Rumble/Mania season?! Lol 😂

[@rustcohle6490]

@@jjthecat9692 Hey, Rumble was fine. Covid crapped on WrestleMania. Since people have got familiar with this norm, yea numbers will rise. But it won't be like 5 years back ratings. (Vince should really worry about not creating ENOUGH mainstream stars instead of worrying about losing them to Hollywood)

[@michaelbatt9680]

The CM Punk pipe bomb sure did

[@Ragehol]

RAW is the most polished, practiced, rehearsed, scripted, professional, micromanaged show...and its sucked all the life out of it. Long term, the show has lost 65 percent of its under-40 audience in the last 6 years. AEW isn't beating a show that is doing 3 or 4 million people like RAW used to. Its beating RAW with young adult men because the young adult men who used to watch RAW are out of there!

[@xxxaragon]

of course, and that's an unfortunate truth as well, just like (for example) with the end of the WCW, there is a portion of the audience that simply vanished from watching wrestling altogether.

[@Dr170]

Adult in the legal sense rather than the mental, naturally.

[@jeffcard1A]

and those "young adult men" who used to watch raw are now middle-aged and getting prostate exams

[@thomasarias773]

WWE is unwatchable. Too many promo segments, and they are ALL THE SAME! The matches are awful with few finishes and too many tag matches. No rules. Just awful.

[@CoolCATs2814]

When there are actual matches. Do you know that both RAW & Smack Down are averaging 2 matches per hour? With all of the performers they have, that's an insane waste of money.

[@RK-rf8rc]

I tuned into WWE out of curiosity (I recently got their Network to look back on some nostalgic 90s memories) and I ended up sticking a Raw on once or twice and it’s just horrible. Drew McIntyre - the champion, no less - had absolutely zero charisma on the mic. Maybe he’s what is considered good these days but if you’re comparing it to Austin, Rock, Shawn, HHH, Jeff Jarrett, etc, it was SO BORING. He is boring. And he’s the champion!

[@TheMartinTD]

@@RK-rf8rc he’s a great reflection of the product

[@axelfoley1812]

@@TheMartinTD being PG has really hurt the business

[@TheMartinTD]

@@axelfoley1812 it was pg back in the 80’s and 90’s, what’s hurt the business is a multitude of things.

[@thatguy8044]

They need to combine the roster together, have one male world champion, one tag team champs , one women’s world champ and one mid card champion. They need to see what worked during 1999-2001. The manufactured rivalry between Smackdown and Raw sucks.

[@kopner5672]

They need intergender wrestling.

[@kopner5672]

@IGotNoFriends They don't need to separate the women from the men. They need to put them in intergender matches.

[@jaesthoughts1369]

So true, it’s too many no names coming out. Every time i check the roster it’s new people. They’re not interesting enough and the show isn’t entertaining at all any more

[@LURADZ]

Well deserved..you get what you put out

[@durden2480]

RAW IS BORE

[@ezzz42]

I watch wwf everyday. The episodes of saturday night main event that ppl load on youtube. 🤣

[@LilSteinyJr]

I got so many DVD"S of old WWF NWA AWA WCW WCCW .... the 1980's when wrestling was gold.

[@kopner5672]

@@LilSteinyJr It's still gold and better than ever.

[@rigormortis3532]

I do that also but most of the time watch wwe network. at least they get $10 a month from me to keep them afloat hahaha

[@TheSportsfan35]

@@rigormortis3532 & that's exactly what Vince's product is worth, only $10/month, nothing more.

[@TheSportsfan35]

@@kopner5672 Seriously?What the fuck are you smoking?Vince's ratings are down & have been for years & it's his own fault. It's too over scripted & like Corny said, nobody respects it & takes it seriously anymore.

[@mrg8581]

Cornette commenting about Bruce defending TL Hopper, Freddie Joe Floyd and The Goon. 7:13. As bad as those gimmicks were, I rather watch that over anything that Raw does now.

[@theungreatkahli]

RIP Freddy Joe Floyd

[@chadk890]

Nobody in that time drew a dime. Way too many gimmicks.

[@eastwaters4082]

@@chadk890 Facts. It was a gimmick for every work profession and cartoony shit.

[@LoPhatKao]

Jerry Lawler vs Doink, with all the midgets gimmicked out the ass, but still more entertaining than today

[@chadk890]

@@LoPhatKao I wouldn't go that far. Business SUCKED back then. WWE turned Lawler into a clown. Memphis Lawler was much better

[@1119nj]

They need to have another segment like when Bret Hart "snapped" on Raw. Have one of the guys that get on the mic and onload on the company.

[@kopner5672]

Like when Owen Hart turned into Black Hart.

[@HBK492]

Owens already did that some time ago and guess what? It changed nothing. Was a cool segment, lead to Owens and Shane, that thing ended, it did nothing to Owens and program stayed the same.

[@TheSportsfan35]

@119nj, CM Punk did that, & it didn't change a thing.

[@maldini883]

They need Austin cutting bad ass raw promos and a road leading to a huge main event with a box office name from outside involved. Who's the next Austin and who's the outsider coming in?

[@kopner5672]

@@maldini883 Millie McKenzie could be the next Austin if they didn't let her go. Matt Riddle could be a good rival for her.

[@muddfoot69]

I’ve just watched old DVDs...can’t really get into the latest stuff

[@DMS-pq8]

WWE has sucked since they became a corporation scared to offend stockholders

[@nu-metalfan2654]

@DMS1983. Well WWE became corporate in 1999, they didn’t start becoming scared of offending people when the Benoit tragedy happened in 2007.

[@takerdust]

@@nu-metalfan2654 The post-2000 writers coming in started to make it suck, but a major reason for WWE sucking as bad as it is now is the lack of experienced talent. They had other territories, then OVW, and after that really nothing.

[@phm1247]

Becoming a plc was a woeful decision - PLCs need to be super politically correct - it is a straitjacket for them

[@michaelplowman8674]

@@phm1247 Plus they have to, by law, do everything they can to turn a profit each quarter.

[@phm1247]

@@michaelplowman8674 yeah much harder to try new ideas because if the new ideas suck investors will sell all their shares and run away. Also harder for them to lie/start rumours to generate hype or blur the lines between fiction and reality when you're a plc starting false rumours is a criminal offence!

[@britishbulldogsvsthehartfo5677]

Step 1: Assign Stephanie McMahon to a nonwrestling/noncreative role. Have her handwash Otis' underwear for all I care. Step 2: Get rid of the entire creative team. Step 3: Hire an actual booker like Cornette or Heyman. It doesn't have to be those guys. And then let them hire 1 or 2 guys to work underneath them. Step 4: Vince still has the final say and filters out the ideas he wants. The booker will have to be someone who will tell Vince to minimize the comedy and recycled ideas. Step 5: Get rid of Kevin Dunn, nobody likes the shaky camera angles, extreme close ups and constantly changing camera angles when 1 move is being done. Step 6: Have the patience to see long term angles through. Step 7: Stop having tag team partners and factions constantly turn on each other and have a long feud that burns out the fans. Step 8: Stop with all the factions. You will never recreate the nWo, the Four Horsemen or DX. Step 9: One pay per view every 2 months and no more theme pay per views like TLC and Hell in a Cell. Those are special matches that should only happen once every 2 to 3 years to settle a long term feud or because of special circumstances. Step 10: Scripted promos are gone, let the wrestlers be creative and give them a chance to react to the crowd. Step 11: Actively recruit the bigger guys but then treat them with the proper respect. No big man should ever be a comedy act, doing gross out skits or be a jobber for the main event guys. Step 12: One world champion, an intercontinental champion, one tag team champion and one women's world champion, that's it. Step 13: Stop with the women's revolution. Fans cheer for talented superstars, no one cheers just because of their genitals. Step 14: Wrestler's real and fictional family members should never be on the show unless they are properly trained and talented not because they are related. Step 15: Every minute of air time should be used to create an angle, further an angle, put someone over or promote the stars in some way. No more comedy, gross stuff, juvenile nonsense, rehashing the past, cringe inducing fake backstage fights, confusing segments that go nowhere or anything that will insult the fan's intelligence. Step 16: Listen to the fans. If someone is booed out of the building every week stop forcing them down our throats. If someone is popular with the fans don't kill off their character because they are outshining the one you are forcing down our throats.

[@carter3369]

Raw should have ended after the Attitude Era

[@aaronrichards5440]

Undertaker the last real superstar finally retiring means WWE will now rest in peace

[@psychobluesfxt]

Out of curiosity I joined the RAW Thunderdome. 1) The showrunner would tell me when to cheer and boo, either during entrances, big spots, or finishes. When the show started he said the more animated I was, the more likely I'd be on camera. It was absolutely infuriating that every time I was starting to get lost in the show, he'd chime in and completely yank me out of whatever zone I was getting in to focus on what was happening. Even the most casual of casuals I've spoken to about this, whose only point of reference to wrestling is channel flipping to RAW or Smackdown or NXT randomly, were appalled that they'd tell me who to cheer or boo. 2) The Thunderdome stream quality is embarrassing. I was having flashbacks of pirating PPVs on Desirulez and Firstrow back in college. Maybe if WWE didn't go out of their way to be overproduced, I might have actually enjoyed their show that I wanted to pay attention to having not watched RAW in years, only for said overproduction to yank me out of any kind of interest I'm trying to build.

[@unlimitedrabbit]

That's WWE for you. Unsatisfied with scripting everything the "superstars" do, they've now turned to scripting the fans.

[@psychobluesfxt]

@@unlimitedrabbit If not for that showrunner nonsense I might have watched again. That is what's most frustrating about it. If not for that guy and the millions of commercial breaks...

[@vincethevoice237]

All they do on wrestling shows now a days is talk, and this is why the ratings have plummeted slowly but surely the last five or six years. We need more action Less Talk

[@queenskid79]

It's been a niche audience for almost fifteen years and people just didn't realize it.I think you could do everything Jim suggests but this isn't the 80's or 90's and those audiences are never coming back.

[@armin38822]

I cought the last part of the attitude era and watched untill 2010. After that I watched a few royal rumble's and wrestlemania's. But to this day I continue to ''follow '' pro wrestling trough clips and podcasts like these. It is far more interesting to listen reviews and critisizm than to actually watch the shows.

[@nysportsfan2576]

So sad what wrestling has become. I’ll always have the memories of when it was great at least.

[@jackjackson376]

"We're not going back to that gory crap we graduated from." - Vince Mcmahon That's *five* *across* *the* *eyes* to all of the Attitude/Ruthless Aggression fans.

[@VishiousLOW]

Yeah I haven't watched consistently since maybe 2006. sporadically I watched when Lesnar came back and when CM punk was on fire.

[@justme4998]

a big shout out to Travis Heckel who always make the funniest and most imaginative artwork! i think this may be my favorite!

[@kublayrodriguez3188]

Vince's face lol!!!

[@DarksaberForce]

My favorite was the Orange Cassidy sloth.

[@travisheckel5576]

Thanks!

[@ThatB1ueSS]

@@travisheckel5576 you killed it with the JR popping an Ollie. Never change Travis, never change.

[@staalhard666]

According to some dirtsheets the creative team was tired of Vince ripping up the script or heavily changing their show. So they wrote this week's RAW with his out of touch vision in mind as a trolling attempt. Apparently Vince loved it, greenlit it on the spot and not a single detail was changed. I so want this rumour to be true hahaha. Especially with the ratings they received.

[@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother]

I hope that rumor is not true.

[@Disneymagic24]

I haven’t read that anywhere so it’s probably false

[@staalhard666]

@@Disneymagic24 Wrestletalk picked it up. It's not their style to jump on crazy rumors without some kind of believable source.

[@exequiel9772]

@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother why not, it would exposed the stupidity of Vince. Fake genius

[@mistermann3225]

@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother I hope it is. That way they expose Vince McMahon for the stupid ass he is....

[@AlexConley]

WWE is just a weekly edition of running in circles. They haven't made any new stars. They don't put on any interesting angles. They don't build to any blow-offs. Nobody wins for long, except maybe Roman. Their shows are boring. They're just boring.

[@cardiuswalker7068]

Less talking, more wrestling could help

[@Willverinerage]

You think they're going to talk less? you socialist dreamer you! lol

[@TheSportsfan35]

@Cardius Walker, it might also help if they had on announcers who don't talk to the audience/viewers like they're preschool kids or something.

[@realrakhi]

We're gonna get the wrestlemania headliner 13 times over 13 weeks oh god no

[@Geoffchuggachugchugg167]

Both companies forgot and don’t know how to make big stars like back in the day.

[@ferox965]

Someone else on the thread nailed it...40 television writers writing the show who have never seen wrestling before. Got thinking...during a pandemic, they should be making killer ratings.

[@johnmarkson1998]

@@ferox965 the wrestlers themselves at aew are not doing it either. imo even dumb and dumber from game of thrones would be better writers then vince and khan. at least they gave us actual variety in season 8 where it was a different feel every episode.

[@ferox965]

@@johnmarkson1998 I'm not thrilled with AEW either..

[@drg5352]

I would argue Vince never really knew how to make a star. All his top stars of the 80's and 90's pretty much came out of the territories; the vast majority already able to pack their local halls 6 nights a week (Savage, Lawler, Piper, etc...) Many of the stars that hit their stride in the WWF did so in spite of Vince, like Steve Austin and the Rock (Rocky Maiva anyone? "The Ringmaster"?) The Undertaker and Mandkind were a rare fluke where the talent was so fucking great that even a stupid gimmick would work with them because they were going to get over regardless (like Dusty Rhodes making polka dots work). For every Stone Cold that made it, Vince churned out a dozen Max Moons, Bastion Boogers, and Red Roosters. He's batting around a .037 and thinks he's a power hitter like Mark "No Do Roids" McGuire. Sure, on rare occasions there's a base hit, but that's nothing you can bank on.

[@johnmarkson1998]

@@drg5352 its up to us to create our own personas since obviously we ourselves know what suits us. the problem in aew is the personas the wrestlers have made all suck.

[@crissy4346]

I mean WWE will probably survive this, but then you could say there was a time that nobody thought WCW would be defeated either.

[@rayhoyer4829]

At this point I would not shead a tear if wwe fell

[@farscape1714]

WCW would probably still be here if not for Jamie Kellner AOL BS

[@rayhoyer4829]

@@farscape1714 most likely

[@jjthecat9692]

@@rayhoyer4829 Same. It's been too rotten for too long for me. They're beyond fixing.

[@lucag.lisickza425]

@@farscape1714 agree

[@douglaswilson95]

Why cant they figure it out that what we want is goid wrestling like jum talks about. Territory style good storyline believable stuff. Its not that hard to figure it out and jim is telling them what to do. But there pride and ego wont let them admit there wrong

[@raphaelkoch1573]

Too many Indy marks became wrestlers

[@purrbiscuits]

Amen.

[@Ticketman99]

Dude, start watching UFC. Pro wrestling will never be like it was.

[@douglaswilson95]

@@Ticketman99 i do i guess i hope someone will bring it back...

[@MiniLemmy]

“I c**t hear you, I’ve got an ear inf**ktion” Jim never fails to make me laugh!! “It all sucks, it just depends on your flavour of suck!” He keeps coming up with these pearls....

[@SlickDickAndCarl]

Someone listened to the new Em album 😂

[@nerdgiant4101]

"Go out and take an egg beater, shove it up your @as and spin."

[@dwade6322]

Some of WWE's wrestlers would REALLY benefit to take 3 months off and come back with a MANAGER...one that does 75% of the talking for the wrestler they manage and become a big part of the show during the match by interfering.

[@iami3rian394]

They need some jobbers too. You can't showcase the entire roster. Someone _has_ to lose.

[@shyamramraj4299]

Jim has a valid point..aew aint improving the wwe is declining

[@CometVS]

Two companies fighting over 1m active viewership

[@shyamramraj4299]

@@CometVS well raw and smackdown are still above 1 m viewers for now

[@asmreatz4686]

Romans the only WWE star that’s gotten over without fans

[@wolfgangfrost8043]

Roman Reigns is anti-over in my opinion. He's definitely a top star in this era, but he got pushed so hard that the audience pushed back against him. Like the WCW crowd booing babyface Hogan in '94.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

That's because he didn't get over WITH fans 😂

[@mattypaul87]

This isn't the first time RAW has hit "all-time lows." For a flagship show, RAW just feels bleh. Smackdown is fine, especially with heel Roman Reigns shaking things up.

[@xLatinAssazzin]

No it hasn't

[@Shagrath71]

RAW was horribly bad this week. I don't hate it like most people commenting here. But this week was a real low point. That opening with Miz and AJ was so cringey I couldn't watch it. Even the Bray Wyatt spots were off this week. It was like they put the show together 5 minutes before it started.

[@mw1429]

aew - we have lowered our acceptance of excellence when we watch it, raw, we expect more and then get more dissapoinited-

[@theom79]

It looks like the WWE is no longer "What the world is watching".

[@chongsfury4358]

Probably for the best, WWE needs to learn that they're not invisible.

[@tonyslupe3828]

invincible....invincible

[@drewcifer2a]

PG rating, no fans./canned noise , the damn camera is always too close to everything , the announcers suck. Ive been watching raw form the late 90's early 2000's then going to the new stuff and my teenage boys are still more entertained and enthusiastic about the attitude era raw, then they watch about 5 mins of todays raw and get bored and usually want the old shows back on.

[@packleader1215]

I can't wait for WWE ratings to tank even lower just to "shake things again" again again. Either WWE comes out of a coma or they give it to Disney FYI, Disney's version of Doug? Garbage!

[@seangalvin3196]

Professional wrestling is a dying concept. Its been around so long and theres only so many stories you can tell on a live show about a wrestling company. Its amazing that it has been as popular for this long.

[@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit]

Not true

[@universe-ie2mk]

pro wrestling isnt pro wrestling anymore. vince mcmahon is to blame. he changed the concept to make it more cookie cutter and too easy to book (gimmick ppvs). it looks too much like wrestling training class instead of wrestlers actually pissed off and ready to tear each other's head off. ric flair and stone cold would have never existed if they had to memorize a script from a team of out of touch, not cool, dorky writers verbatim.

[@AliSubhi-xs4rn]

I mean the "it's been around for so long that it's there's not much stories to tell" argument could apply to so many mediums like Films,Video games,Theater and so on. I believe people would watch a well produced wrestling show with decent stories.

[@seangalvin3196]

@@AliSubhi-xs4rn I disagree. Film, books and TV are mediums. You can tell stories about anyone or anyplace or anything you can imagine. A wrestling show is about one thing- a pro wrestling company.

[@falagarius]

95 Episodes of TNA iMPACT on spike had more ppl watching than this week's raw. Everyone is doing abysmal numbers at the moment.

[@nu-metalfan2654]

I would rather watch the clown show of WCW 2000 than the boring WWE shit today. A clown show is better than a boring show,

[@wrayday7149]

I am happy watching the Network's presentation of 80s 90s and 2000s content.

[@billal131]

Get rid of Vince and Bruce, they are the problem!

[@ravanpee1325]

Vince has to die first. He will never quit on his own

[@-JAVY-]

Fire the whole writing and booking staffs

[@charliecummquat3558]

Kevin Dunn....bucky mcbucktooth....IS the main problem from a writer's standpoint...he should BE the first one gone

[@sandman9601]

The list of tag teams that made it through 2020 is shorter than the ones that didn't. There's no continuity, why should people care? Shawn turning on Marty meant something. Breaking up the IIconics in a nothing match on a random RAW was just plain stupid. Just a tiny microcosm of the bad decisions going on in the company.

[@jordan_8329]

The rockers breaking up affected me big time as a kid.

[@sandman9601]

@@jordan_8329 Exactly, which is why we still remember it today. The build up was thought out perfectly. Totally unlike the IIconics breakup, which is why I use them as an example.

[@mandolinman2006]

This is the story behind my turning off wrestling: It was 2010. Smackdown was recorded and aired on Friday. I saw a match with John Morrison. He put on a heck of a performance. His opponent worked his legs over pretty well. He hobbled to the turnbuckle, lept to the top rope, then lept like 3/4 of the way across the ring. As the announcers talked of him digging down deep, I was remarking about how that unsold everything that has been done and, while might have been ok for a main event of a major PPV, not for a regular match on Smackdown. Morrison was off the next week. But, the week after, same blame ending. I turned it off then.

[@maldini883]

2010 totally killed it for me, having to see DX vs god knows who every week on Raw oh my god zzzz And the god damn theme at the time, what was that? Paparoach or some crap, Christ i much prefer it now as bad as it is.

[@mandolinman2006]

@@maldini883 I can put up with a lot of stupidity. All I ask is that whatever happens in the ring be realistic enough that I can suspend disbelief.

[@chrismartin956]

Vince is tanking the ratings so that he devalues the WWE, then he'll buy it back from all the major holders. Then and only then will the WWE will go back to being good.

[@donaldjones4614]

Vince is the main problem here and is so out of touch, it's really sad. Once he passes away, I wouldn't be surprised to see the other McMahon family members selling the company to Disney or NBC because it's becoming a major clusterfuck.

[@austinewing2700]

You look at WWE right now and they have one of the most talented rosters of wrestlers in the history of wrestling and the writing is just so so poor. McIntyre, Reigns, Rollins, Owens, AJ Styles, Big E, Riddle, Ricochet, and many more I’m not mentioning because I’d be here awhile.

[@DannyBZ9]

Garbage compared to prime WCW & WWF rosters gotta be kidding me

[@mitchellalexander9162]

Look There's a Floor for RAW and its AEW's First Episode's Ratings. If RAW Falls that far EVERYONE and their Mother is going to Humiliate Monday Night RAW over that if they fall that far. I will bet good money on that! RAW: 1'530'000 AEW's First Episode: 1'409'000 121'000 VIEWER DIFFERENCE

[@JohnDoe-le7ml]

oh it's falling and they may even go through that floor by the end of the year. For as fast as they are falling, 121k in a week isn't that much.

[@stingjunior6]

Let’s be honest we all switched to tna in the mid 2000s and when it died we were stuck

[@Destino2493]

I was optimistic that WWE would improve when Vince is gone and HHH takes over but after seeing how NXT had declined I’m not so sure unless Vince has had a hand in that too, I’m not sure if WWE can or should be saved at this point maybe it’s best to just let it die

[@kopner5672]

NXT declined because the writers there now are from the main roster. And Vince doesn't like NXT.

[@Destino2493]

@@kopner5672 That explains a lot, NXT was the one saving grace for WWE and now they’ve ruined that too Jim might be right maybe WWE can’t dig themselves out of the hole they dug themselves into because now they got stock holders and all this BS to worry about unless they become a private company again I don’t think they can or will make the changes they need to improve the product

[@brendandolan7157]

@@kopner5672 no the problem with nxt is they don't have any stars and every match the same

[@charliekk3377]

NXT will have a real good show then it will be meh the next show I honestly believe that under HHH NXT could do way better than what it is but Vince will never let it get over on raw or smackdown just like back in the day he wouldn't let smackdowm get over on raw bc raw is the "a show"

[@CrimsonGhost999]

I have a feeling a lot of writers will be blamed and probably be looking for work.

[@-JAVY-]

Good..fire them all. And the agents, and the whole booking committee. Start from scratch

[@tigerbug69]

Yeah good riddance to em

[@iami3rian394]

Read an article today... apparently USA is pissed as well, and Vince of course went straight to blaming creative. Not that it isn't their fault, but he oks everything that happens. That's the point. They say they want more adult content. Not like... sexy adult, dark and violent adult. I can't _imagine_ raw not agreeing to that, and being cancelled.

[@jhonviel7381]

@@iami3rian394 makes sense. Hard for me to believe anyone 13 years old and younger is watching cable tv in trumpsCovid19 america.

[@iami3rian394]

@@jhonviel7381 well since _no one_ is watching, getting any eyes on the screen would be a good thing. What blows my mind is that this is the second time in two years, and I can't imagine anything changing, just like last time. I've said it elsewhere, but they need to fire creative and hire a _booker_ like they had literally every other time in history that things were going well. Hell, Bruce could do it just fine, they don't even NEED to hire someone new, just teach the boys how to cut a promo without a script. That's how it's always worked. Might not be the worst idea to bring in some managers either, for the guys who just aren't gonna be able to talk. Again, it worked just fine for decades, I'm honestly not sure what the issue is. This isn't rocket science, just do what worked before.

[@stevieavail5773]

When you have no ability to make babyfaces, and you constantly build up heels, then the audience has no one to root for and they stop caring and stop watching. And they have been concentrating on heels for YEARS.

[@jovanss2361]

I gotta strongly disagree with WWE not having the talent.. I mean on Raw alone ya got Orton, McIntyre, Styles, Lee, Strowman, Lashley, Jeff Hardy, Sheamus etc.. its just there's so much BS in using the talent. And all the goofy promos, angles like whatever tf Miz, Morrison, Wyatt and R-Truth do every week

[@kopner5672]

Strowman is awful.

[@dwade6322]

Strowman just got no personality.

[@kopner5672]

@@dwade6322 And talent.

[@dwade6322]

Ya know where i bet Strowman could excel? In a 'NWO' type of group...a group of guys who stick together for a LONG time and for the most part dominate because their always together. But,no....that would actually make sense so scrap that idea,right Vince McMahon?

[@honestabe6359]

I'll be honest, I lost interest during HHH's reign of terror. When the whole DX reunion thing happened, that turned me off of their product in its entirety. These days, it's weird seeing this crap, even on youtube, and comparing it to the level of perfection that someone like a Bill Watts once demanded. Even HHH's reign looks amazing now.

[@mr.speyside5240]

RAW is too BRIGHT! The lighting is distracting. It’s hard to watch it since there are too many bright lights and effects. It takes away from the talent in the ring and makes it look cartoony. NXT, Impact and AEW all have dark lighting. Fix that with RAW and it will regain the true wrestling fan.

[@JKimma8080]

Only a year or 2 older than Brian and I've been a wwf mark since I was 8 and I feel exactly like he does. It's so fucking hard to watch now.