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[@michylalin9149]

Thank you Danny and David for bringing up the BLM news. I'm glad to know that people outside of the US are starting to pick up on the very needed conversation. I think among the asian community especially, it is important to spread the message, as many first gen asian Americans I know come into the country with a stigma against the african american community. I realized that this may be due to outdated impressions from media, but I think racism and xenophobia (intentional or not) is a huge issue even in asian communities. I hope this movement can serve to bring attention to the dangers of ignorance and fear towards things people dont bother to take the time to understand. (Btw I'm speaking from personal experience. I realize these impressions dont reflect on everyone in the asian community, which I myself am a part of, but it's important to me that this normalization of stigma against others is brought to light)

[@sangitadevi3380]

Yes, it is not a race issue, it is a human issue. The state i live in is also facing so much rage issues.. 3 people got mob lynched within just a month in the lockdown period.

[@jussaralimademendonca8958]

DKDKTV What do you mean: anti south korean? Please makes a video explaining this song, since it’s generating so much speculation what really means!

[@priny_nb]

David: We will be expecting BlackPink's 3 members solo release Danny: By 2025 Burrrrrnn!!

[@killbethy]

It’s not quite fast... he was shown working on the clip a year ago in a documentary. It just really blew up now.

[@kimnamjoonarmybts1585]

Being a good person doesn't mean you never do anything wrong. It means that when you do, you acknowledge it, learn better and try to never do that again

[@gloss1138]

Preach👏🏾👏🏾

[@monieebangtan7759]

Yes they apologized and delete it

[@charstar386]

kim Namjoon ARMY#BTS I think people are misunderstanding the use of it. It’s an example of what not to be like. It’s going over people’s heads, especially younger people. Olders and people born in the US may be more used to irony and not as sensitive.

[@kimnamjoonarmybts1585]

@@charstar386 True and i trust BTS 💜

[@UDMnana]

the problem escalated because some armys are so bent on defending and making excuses eventho they didn't know yoongi was not aware the real context behind the sampling

[@christinec28]

Yes, BE RATIONAL. Something I don't see often in the kpop twt community.

[@chijoyphillip2784]

More like some twts ain't even reasonable. And I'm asking myself if they're sensible or not. KPop fans kind of amaze me most times

[@elena_kc484]

Yeah, I used to feel safe and like I was closer to a lot of armys on twitter, but now all I see is hate and anger (not only between kpop fans and armys, but among armys themselves) and so I've found it a lot healthier to focus on bts alone rather than fans on twt

[@urmumsaidhi3037]

yoonie joonie 2oonie did you even watch the video??? They literally said that no one even knows him and that the fans that were saying he’s known in Korea for being anti-Korea we’re called delusional and mocked lmao

[@dokimllilli8263]

Yes. THIS. They even went to Lisa’s rap.

[@dokimllilli8263]

Ur MumSaidHi lmao. I guess she didn’t watch it fully.

[@jan_ary2749]

This is not specific to Suga's news, but in general Korean media and public seem to have this assumption that just because BTS is popular globally now, members owe some sort of "perfection act" to the Korean public. Anytime something small happens, the attitude I see is: "oh since you have all these priveleges now, you should have stayed grounded and shouldn't have done anything you want..." But in reality, the reason BTS is very big globally has nothing much to do with Korean general public. But now that they already are popular, the public acts as if they are indebted with their success to them. It would make sense to a certain extent if BTS was popular only in Korea but that's not the case . . .

[@theekaa7705]

because bighit and bts act like they are perfect and morally above everyone else

[@leonorie4462]

International army were literally the ones carrying BTS on their backs, hands held together. The K public didn't know about them or care...🤷🏾‍♀️ I said what I said

[@peachyahuwu3597]

thee k a a ?how

[@LB-fv6ry]

@@theekaa7705 they don't act like that, they are the only ones facing the criticism when people say they do something wrong. Yall have forget they are humans and try to blame them for the minium. What Suga did with the sample wasn't wrong, but yall listen to an anti that is also a racist no just to black people but to asians too, but since what she said follow the kpoppies agenda to spread hate to bts it worked, yall are double faces.

[@alisiabakerjb]

No doubt! Look at what is happening to JungKook for going to Itaewon with other 97'ers. I feel bad for him. He has said he doesn't know who he is, and because everyone calls him the Golden Maknae, he feels like he needs to do better. When you put someone so high, they will fall!

[@KristyShey]

This sounds like a lot more pressure is going to be put on BTS’ shoulders. What happens when they want to stop? A whole corporation is depending on them. Will they allow them to stop, to date, to live a normal life? I just fear that this will end up hurting the boys, because PD does not own 51% of the company, which means that he will not be able to fully protect them from greed from within the company.

[@Maria-zc4nn]

they have a 7 year contract so they can't really stop unill the contract is over

[@goinbulilit3846]

Uhhhmmmppp BIGBANG Taeyang are able to marry the love of his life... EXO Chen able to have a baby.... Hyuna and Edawn.... Daniel and Jihyo... Heechul and MOMO ...and etc.... there is really hope.

[@nahmicherif-9095]

It’s really unlikely that many ppl will get large percentages of shares and even more so that they will all come together to overthrow BangPD. So the odds are still very much in his favour lol

[@Hala-cq5lr]

Goin Bulilit But you think it’s easy ? Momo literally got death threats and Chen got a lot of hate etc, bts are known globally if they date then the hate is +2

[@DRP11037]

@@Hala-cq5lr not +2 but ×2

[@Mystiqueluna09]

As a black army, I appreciate the apology. I like yoongi and I personally wasn’t offended to a degree because I know he wouldn’t purposefully include something that would offend a culture...especially one he is heavily influenced by. I mean BTS literally stopped using a Korean word that sounds close to the n-word so black people wouldn’t feel uncomfortable! So I wanted to hear first what he/bighit had to say. I try to research first before making a solid conclusion of a situation instead of reading just a headline. I would say out of most companies BIGHIT is very swift with correcting an error they make even just acknowledging the error! compared to other companies. I definitely can understand fellow black armies/people being offended and no one should invalidate our feelings before a statement is put out. You cannot tell us to NOT be offended. But I feel like most people are missing the most important part of this which is the timing of this controversy. This sample was used in this song from last year. This should have been called out from then. The timing this blew up was the most disturbing part to me because this came out during the protests of BLM movement which is still ongoing. It is disturbing to me personally how far people are willing to go to tear down an idol/group to rely on emotional manipulation during a highly sensitive time for black people. Whomever blew this up knew exactly what they were trying to achieve and that’s what pisses me off the most tbh. Yes if an idol makes a mistake we need to make/hold them accountable but this could have happened last year or the moment the album dropped. Edit: Please read my comments below if you are confused as to why I brought up BLM. I am aware JJ was not racist. Thanks!

[@jilll1287]

DB Jones wasn’t a racist so I’m it sure why you’re linking it to BLM?

[@krystinblack7628]

Yes and also the song came out a week before the antis attacked and almost a week before the protests began. So when people act like we make this stuff up, it's really frustrating

[@kenniol5143]

pink_romantics blew it up on twitter. She literally hates bts & has been coming for the members.

[@m.v.129]

Jonestown wasn't a racially induced crime tho

[@yarib6479]

Using real life issues like the black lives matter movement and protests as a form of emotional manipulation for what essentially is a fan war, is disgusting. I’m not talking about the people who were genuinely upset. The lack of basic human decency some kpop fans display sometimes is gross and for what?

[@bookworm12312]

NO ONE should be attacking others for feeling hurt about the JJ situation, especially black armys who did feel hurt (aka me). i know not all black armys cared, and that’s fine, but don’t invalidate our feelings. we had every right to be upset (NOT AT SUGA BUT ABOUT THE SAMPLE). i DON’T approve of anyone attacking yoongi or trashing him, especially after there has been an apology. just because we didn’t think the sample was right and wanted it addressed, doesn’t mean we were “throwing him under the bus.” if you really love your favs, then you should be happy that they can learn and grow from their mistakes and, as a result, become a better person. [EDIT] for those who are trying to refute me: the people who are saying yoongi had a message with the sample: bighit themselves said they added it purely for aesthetic reasons and were ignorant of the meaning behind it. as a result, this argument is no longer valid. if they weren’t aware of JJ, then yoongi could not have “intended” to give out any message. and others who say it’s a PR move, you say “trust them” but then you’re not trusting them by saying they had no intentions? your excuses are full of contradictions. please acknowledge the apology for what it is. they realized their mistake - why won’t you?

[@nishatnafa988]

We appreciate your concern💜💜

[@Carmellx]

The sad thing is that many ppl that said they are army are the ones attacking him and blaming him.

[@sophiao43]

Yeah I’m not black but it just confuses me how bh would not check their sampling in songs and that some ppl knew this sample was in the song from burn the stage and no one said anything. We could’ve stopped them from releasing the song w/ the sample but the ppl who knew didn’t say anything and called him a genius for using it like?? Obvs it only blew up bc of antis but this could’ve been avoided. I love yoongi and have liked bts for 3 year yet especially w/ what’s going on rn i bet this must feel like betrayal for a lot of black army’s... also y’all stop saying it was a diss to jim Jones. Bh released a statement saying that they didn’t know the meaning of it and I also don’t think yoongi even produced it. The Jim Jones argument is no longer valid because bh and yoongi themselves said that was not why the sample was in there. Stop making yourselves look like fools

[@sheenajohnson5024]

He never mean to portray anything against blacks . I don't even know why people are attacking him

[@janicelewan7557]

Read alittle history......That's one hell of a mistake

[@lisay8779]

the thing that bothers me a lot is that a decent amount of armys blindly trust BTS to the point where they forget their own values. They try to justify everything as right but forget that BTS are still humans and will make mistakes. Just because you call them out for doing something bad doesn’t mean u hate them or ur an anti, it just means u are able to put ur bias aside and see the issue for what it is. And just because someone makes a mistake doesn’t mean they should get canceled.

[@_pururin]

I’m scared about the possibility of fans investing in Big Hit, it reminds me of what happened with Super Junior, fans were so crazy and so mad when SM gave a hint that they would be including Henry Lau to Super Junior that a bunch of them started buying stocks so that they would be able to take control over the decisions related to Super Junior, and to this day they still use that power, that’s why Sungmin hasn’t been able to come back with the group after he got married, so please don’t give information on how fans can buy stocks, unfortunately most of them will not actually think about what’s best for BTS, their company or their careers, they will only care about what they want from them.

[@SaffariRose]

Honestly, this has been at the back of my mind since BigHit showed interest in an IPO. Fans are already becoming too powerful and vocal in their interferences with BTS and their 'scandals', imagine having financial power over their entire agency? Hopefully, the initial offering would be quite high, and not that easily accessible because it will be a mess, not just for fans but also antis from all levels of the industry.

[@myewzek2913]

Lmao we already broke from all the merch and concerts and shit, how could we invest in a company enough to have control over it? That would be such a feat.

[@LynnHermione]

They need tons of money to make even a small dent, there's no risk really

[@Sophia-sm8jr]

Punk PD owns 45.1% so overall he would have majority so he would be the only one to have controll over company decision this would be different if stocks were sold privately

[@blacksiren2992]

@Antice you do know they prevented the whole graduation system of sj, right? Along with making sure Zhoumi and Henry weren't made permanent members.

[@Mariwil74]

I have followed religious fundamentalism in the US for quite some time and have heard numerous sermons from preachers, even going back to the 1920s, when fundamentalism really started to take hold in the US. The sample used in the song was very typical of these types of sermons.They’re overly dramatic, quoting (or twisting) scripture, often speaking about death. There’s nothing in the sample that directly references what’s to come, nothing that would be a red flag. So if the producer(s) thought that a sample from an American preacher would fit the aesthetic of the song and did a general search, it’s no surprise that this would be at the top of the list of results, given its notoriety. However, even if Jones’ name had been attached to it, with the lack of any red flags and without context or historical knowledge of the event and Jones-which let’s be honest, MANY people didn’t know about, including many in the US-I can understand why it was taken at face value as coming from your typical American fire-and-brimstone preacher and not vetted further. I most emphatically am NOT discounting how people were hurt by its inclusion but I also don’t think there was any nefarious intent or desire to cause harm. An apology was made, the sample was removed and there’s a lesson here that can benefit us all. ETA: Aside from the above, to me, the strongest argument that this was an artistic choice made out of ignorance is WHY. If the producers or Yoongi were aware of the history behind the sample, knew that it was the final death sermon from an unhinged psychopath who was about to lead-and in many cases force his followers into mass suicide, knew that its inclusion would greatly offend, hurt and possibly completely alienate a large portion of his fans and bring down the wrath of gleeful antis, and by extension, jeopardize not only BTS but Big Hit as well, WHY would they include it? Certainly not to boost sales since it was available for free. For publicity? Who wants negative publicity when you’re already at the top and the hungry wolves are circling, just itching for the chance to take you down? Yoongi is no idiot, he loves the music and appreciates and respects the culture and the people that birthed it. It just makes no sense whatsoever that including this sample was a conscious choice. None.

[@more5182]

They just want to dragge them like yoongi said it ugh Bts are the drum that anyone can hit it Easy target to shit on The haters keep on pooking with no reason Jabbing bts if bts keep ignoring them they start staping bts Even the truth becomes a lie Lies become the truth Here everyone has a moral rationality And perfect judgements

[@lovesarah6943]

this is exactly what i thought when i first saw people being outraged about it

[@Mariwil74]

@Rob Y. I'm well aware of religious fundamentalism in the Middle East but that's not germane to the discussion here. And I could link you to so-called "Christian" fundamentalist preachers here in the US who foment violence as easily as they breathe but I refuse to give them further traction.

[@jilll1287]

This sermon could have been coming from a Falwell, Robertson, Graham...I couldn’t tell who it was, honestly.

[@Mariwil74]

Rob Y. And again, that does that have to do with this specific discussion?

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Yes they should be corrected in their mistake, and that is what it was, a mistake, not an intention to do harm or that suga, the producer nor the company support such beliefs. I'm only giving them the grace because they have a history of trying to be better and inclusive (like the ON doc or chicken noodle soup) where as other companies including in the US obviously dont care what black people think/feel

[@yellownotsus7538]

Lol I stand with Suga cuz he dissed those cult culture people pissed.

[@Smpr591]

@@pennybleta2300 I just watched that part and I'm thankful for him clearing things up and stating his perspective as a person of color about the song and kpop in general.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@pennybleta2300 thank you for the link. I still think it was a mistake but It's not enough for even a tenth of the rage they are receiving. It shouldn't have been more than "hey by the way..." comment and I also believe it's still ok to sample but for more then esthetic reasons and that they should have known exactly what they're putting in their music.

[@purp1e0w12]

What’s the ON doc thing about?

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

@@purp1e0w12 it's on their channel, it's the behind scenes of the musicians and singers of how they feel about music and how it helped them. ON documentary

[@roter13]

Mark was already my bias but his donation confirmed it forever for me. And thank you Danny and David for the donation

[@chiaravallini532]

I am sure bts won’t lose popularity with enlistment, like armys are not going anywhere. Plus the maknae line are so so popular, so I am sure bts will be fine. Bighit wouldn’t go public if they feared bts would lose popularity you know. Plus from what I know, bighit is partnered with a big gaming company, so there’s that too. Edit: I am not saying that bts’s popularity is immortal or something. Like of course one day they won’t be as popular as now, all I am saying is that I don’t see that happening any time soon. Like I am sure enlistment won’t stop them, they are gaining new fans day by day and all the members solo works are still very successful, I don’t think enlistment will be a problem for them for now

[@anureddy830]

Exactly. The members solo work do just as well the group's efforts. (Mono, HW, Tae's song and recently D-2 have some really BTS level achievements). So I'm not worried about BTS losing popularity anytime soon. After all, they seem to be still peaking. Also, BH's benX products Weverse and all are a hit. Not to mention BH's work ethic is very different from the other entertainment labels. They're moving and operating like big tech companies or media labels like CJ. So I see a very successful IPO for them.

[@ironvista]

sorry to say but all poularities die. A new group/act will appear and BTS will just be part of hisory.

[@junik.9414]

I personally think BigHit must've some kind of a plan for that as well. They are not partnered with any gaming company, as far as I know. They did release some games from Net Marbles. This aside I think these days investing in gaming companies is profitable since the revenue they generate is more than music and film industries combined. Edit: fans (more like people) can be fickle sometimes. They move onto the next new or big thing (which is healthy for human nature, not to be latched onto one thing). It's really risky. Today is BTS, tomorrow who knows who? Only time will tell when people will start saying BTS is overrated!

[@LB-fv6ry]

@@ironvista it will take years before another group appear 🤷‍♀️ and there is no assurance that will be a kpop group

[@kiara0k887]

Chiara Vallini it’s pretty common that groups enlisting causes a dip of fans/new fans. For example, Dreamcatcher had 1 promotion without 1 member (she had shootings for a series) and there came new fans in and the popularity of that person was substantially less. This was with not even half a year.

[@MzFoRi3]

I feel like people are mixing up the BLM movement with the JJ situation

[@jilll1287]

MzFoRi3 exactly. Jones wasn’t a racist. His flock, that he murdered, was called a “rainbow family” due to the fact he adopted many children of color. He was a psychopath.

[@nj7902]

Exactly. I was wondering why some were mentioning that they’re black and commenting about Jones but Jones is a cult leader and it had nothing to do with racism.

[@yegra]

@@nj7902 nowadays people wake up and look for sth to be offended by and it's disgusting.

[@DoodleMonsterRocks]

Wasn't People's Temple all about racial inclusion, especially of African Americans, and inspired by communism and extreme socialism? I thought the main issue of the cult (and pretty much all cults) is the violation of basic human rights like mental and physical abuse to brainwash their members, not about targeted racism of African Americans. I don't live in the US so I welcome any credible sources that prove otherwise

[@MzFoRi3]

Jill L Yes! I actually read his story and I would say he was far from a racist, he was actually trying to integrate diversity in churches and adopted a bunch of different kids like Angelina and Brad 😂. I honestly dont know why people keep saying he was some anti black racist because he didn’t seem like it at all, he was a physco and a lunatic though and he led a ton of people to commit suicide with him because of his delusions.

[@sammi3145]

What im rlly sad abt is that some armys are callin black armys "extra sensitive" or "snowflakes".I can see how it could be offensive for some of us but im not speakin for black armys since im not black.If you find it uncomfortable or offensive,ITS OKAY.Youre not pressured into liking the group.I just cant believe some armys are defending our boys too much.Ya'll know they ARE human right? They fck up,we fck up.Humans make MISTAKES.

[@KS-sh1np]

exactly! They say idols are humans when it comes to scandals. Well, let them be humans. Humans make mistakes

[@destiny5171]

I’m a black army and I’m not mad about this situation 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@KS-sh1np]

@@destiny5171 I am too and I am

[@prinstephanyy]

if they only know what JJ really did. It's really inhumane.

[@Fermin_romero]

They're not sensitive ofc!! What happened was a mistake,if sb was too offended they have the right to leave the fandom or do whatever they want. IT'S THEIR RIGHT.even if they don't accept the apology it's their right. Cus anyone would be mad if sth similar happened to them.

[@Sarah_2094]

Public perception/views affects groups a lot you guys are right it’s very volatile. TXT is not popular enough on their own and i just read an article that bighit will debut a new boy group in 2022, i don’t know if management doest have faith in txt after bts starts enlisting but i wouldn’t buy stocks in a kpop company because one day you’re soaring and then ppl get pissed over dating and your stock goes down yikes

[@meridesiree7940]

in 2022 it will have been three years since TXT debuted, it's perfectly normal to debut a new group by then. TXT are doing great and growing every comeback, they're about to sell 200k on hanteo for their most recent album (released two weeks ago) which is amazing for a rookie group. They sold their last albums first week sales in a day this comeback.

[@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594]

@@meridesiree7940 wow for real?!?! It feels like just yesterday when everyone was speculating about Bighit's new boy group "6 Aces" lol

[@lantern6272]

@@five_to_nine_online no, they don't have ANy female employees (even though the market is open and the fans would support a bighit girlgroup like no other, it is for the safety of txt and bts members)

[@meridesiree7940]

@@lantern6272 BigHit held auditions for girls last year, it was called plus audition and around 50 000 people applied. They also have plenty of female staff, you can constantly see them. They even have female producers (which are not common in the music industry unfortunately) as well as great benefits like paid maternity leave for their female employees. Stop lying.

[@michelecfeehan]

@@five_to_nine_online they did say that, however none of us know for a fact if the process has started or if it's on hold.

[@j29536]

I appreciate DKDKTV supporting BLM and making the effort to share what is happening on your platform. I enjoy your content and will continue to support. Thank you!

[@anythoughts358]

It's okay to be fall and tackling the criticism at this point ! They will grow bigger and bigger ! I will support boys forever !!

[@SarahIsrath]

We know them, we trust them.

[@zeyphr1362]

bts legends

[@Takerz13]

You're sick in the head 😬

[@CherryColada]

dave. 4 real! 🤭🤭

[@Dukeoflords]

dave. Yeah all Kpop fans are it’s like y’all think liking Kpop is a personally trait.

[@thegeekoutgirl]

One good thing I noticed about the Jim Jones speech being used is that so many people now know who that was. There were so many people who didn't know who he was and his atrocities that it made me sad whenever someone joked around about drinking the kool-aid. Art has been used throughout history to show people the good, the bad, and/or the ugly of human history. The more we know, the more we can learn and hopefully avoid similar horrible events in the future.

[@angi4912]

I have never heard of the guy so I was very confused when twitter suddenly exploded about this

[@puspadewi120]

Indeed! This learning isnt only for the artist but also for the listener

[@spoorthireddy5812]

theGeekOut Girl we weren't ignorant. People from countries other than America did not learn about him since it is a part of American history. I am not talking about all the people though

[@aspannas]

You can't call other people from other countries ignorant for not knowing about him, how would we even know about him, it's very ignorant of you to expect people for countries other than the US to even know about it.

[@thegeekoutgirl]

@@spoorthireddy5812 Right. Sorry, used the wrong wording.

[@expressionoflotus6795]

It is so frustrating that people dont know whats wrong about the jim jones issue

[@sakinazehra7533]

I am that people

[@Jha0601]

When I saw the title of the video I was not expecting Suga's sampling and blm movement are gonna be related and being argued about in the comment section, its confusing at first and yes frustrating lol

[@dhitikas8827]

I'm pretty sure Suga or any producer would not have meant harm intentionally, still the sampling was maybe unnecessary given its controversial nature so black ARMYs have a right to be angry and not get called out for it. Doesn't automatically make them a hater.

[@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel]

Yeah, I agree to call them out so they learn but I dont agree with people assuming they intentionally ment harm.

[@dhitikas8827]

@@cetriyasArtnComicsChannel I don't agree with them either. Those people just want to stir up issues regarding bts

[@dhitikas8827]

@Elise Gratz Yeah it did. I am just saying though after all it is Suga's mixtape so even if he's not the producer named he does know what is happening with the songs. I know they meant no harm but yeah.

[@dhitikas8827]

@@pennybleta2300 Calling people clowns then expect them to listen to you and open a link? Lmao

[@jilll1287]

Penny Bleta you’ve called people clowns, stupid, idiots... We’re not listening to you because you don’t know how to have a civil discourse. Scram.

[@Actualkon]

I understand why a lot of army, especially black armys, were uncomfortable and upset. I dont don't want to speak for or over black armys as I am not black. However a lot of antis were using peoples genuine discomfort as a reason to hate on BTS/Yoongi and that isnt okay. And if anyone wants to unstan over this, they are allowed to. You aren't obligated to keep liking BTS for any reason, but don't pressure others to follow your choice

[@user-gc8zt4bz1d]

I was very sad seeing all these armys hating on black armys and calling us extra sensitive and snowflakes while making these untrue excuses

[@Angeliina1]

Yes antis were using ppls discomfort to drag him. But the ones that were genuine like me and respectful about were ALSO bein included and dragged and invalidated with those antis. Nobody was tryna listen to me they dismissed how i felt cuz it wasnt what THEY wanted me to believe. They made it seem like I ruined yoongis life and arent a REAL fan unless i support blindly no questions asked. Why are we not allowed to hold our favs accountable or ask questions? I think thats the main problem is that we are divided into What some consider a REAL ARMY which includes: -trust the boys 100% (which is fine cus i do trust them) - doesnt have a different opinion nor critizism EVER of bts. And everyone else who is not in line with that is all of a sudden FAKE FAN invalidated and dismissed. Its sad that we are divided like this. Ppl so stuck on proving who is the REALER fan and truly love BTS that nothin else matters. Its really overwhelming becuase we are always stronger regardless whether we have diffrent opinions or not we are still at the end of the day here for our boys. Twitter was in shambles and the gaslighting was on 100000 . And even now ppl still cant move on.

[@RoxiePoxi]

I dont understand why it became a strictly black army thing... yes a large # of the members were AA but not all. Then people were also bring BLM into the mix and saying suga is racist. It makes no sense.

[@neontrees3360]

Thank you so much, black fans have gotten a lot of hate and it feels so good to have someone validate our feelings❤

[@RoxiePoxi]

@aqosin people just going off of what they see on twitter instead of actually looking into it. I was actually told only POC should be speaking on the matter....like what??? 🤯Smh

[@monimuppet6132]

Case closed for me on the sampling as well. Once I found out the source of the sample I knew it was either a purposeful statement or a very egregious and unfortunate oversight. BH and BTS have built a good enough reputation (for me anyway) so I knew an apology was coming. It's up to the individual to decide whether the apology, explanation, and re-upload of a corrected song is enough. It was enough for me so I'm keeping it pushing. Bet you it won't happen again. If nothing else BH are not the repeat offender types (I won't name any names).

[@Angeliina1]

Yassssssss very welll said 🙏🙏🙏💜💜💜💜 we can all move on now and continue to support our boys

[@persona8208]

True !!

[@ValentinesForever1]

Exactly! I'm thinking of every other time when people criticised BTS for a legitimate reason and they changed accordingly. People got mad that the used black style for their debut? We haven't seen them do that again. People were worried over the Korean word that sounds like the "n-word" and they don't use it anymore (or at least, I can't remember a recent album with it?). They were accused of misogyny, and I believe they now have their lyrics screened for that. We see them acknowledge and correct their mistakes all the time. And I know Yoongi will now be more careful. My only fear is that this will upset him a lot more than it should.

[@monimuppet6132]

@@ValentinesForever1 We can't save anyone from upset, Yoongi can handle it, he has BTS and us 😊💜. But yeah, BTS never gives BS apologies and they make permanent changes. We don't love them because they're perfect but because they hold themselves accountable.

[@jocelyn9744]

I'm Black myself and I found this issue honnestly weird at the beginning because I thought it honnestly fit the criticism of ppl blindly hating other ppl, but I can understand that other ARMYs were hurt We need to consider that some ARMYs were simply hurt, we need to understand that The problem is that there were some false fans literally cancelling Yoongi and hating on him, ppl that HONESTLY DON'T KNOW BTS if they really thought Yoongi was supporting Jim Jones (Wth 😂 like who will think that??) I trust BTS, they gave me a lpt of hope, strenght and happiness, I may not know them personally but I know what they stand for For all these genuine ARMYs let's protect BTS without invalidating other ARMYs' feelings 💜

[@abc_xyz_123]

I think the fact that BTS is so internationally well known they should be extra careful and have a team of people who are knowledgable with cultural differences.

[@yercabbages]

YEP! This. ✊🏽

[@eb5721]

The thing that we all know suga and BTS. Suga would never have done that to offend or hurt someone. They even changed lyrics because one word sounded like the n* word and people were offended. Suga made a mistake and everyone does some mistake but he doesn't deserve this hate.

[@Chib_chan]

I don’t think he deserves hate I think he should be held accountable he’s a grown man he made a mistake and he didn’t even apologize himself he hid behind the company I’m disappointed in him how is he gonna claim that’s his mixtape that’s he put his name on it and he can’t even own up to it himself who is a hip artist and profits off black culture

[@Jha0601]

Suga/BH did wrong but they don't deserve this much hate. What I wish they change tho is patronizing their fans like that "naega" bit, its ridiculous and it doesn't make sense, they are literally dancing to the tune of the fandom right now and I feel it was an insincere reaction and it holds back the members artistic expression and opening up their real thoughts and feelings. this fandom is even worst than bang pd in controlling and keeping bts in line.

[@cart1sluvr]

@@Chib_chan Agreed 100%

[@oliviam6332]

Seriously? You don’t know them at all. Most BTS fans have never interacted with BTS at all. Stop saying you know them when you clearly don’t.

[@prodsuga9482]

@@Jha0601 your going off the point

[@swap4936]

Danny and David - thanks for being so unbiased when you discussed the sampling issue. I am so happy that you guys are not just groupies! And to armies out there - I fell in love with BTS because of their honesty, integrity and message of love. That is what converted me to be an army. We should be helping our boys stay honest. They’re grown men now. Please let’s not make up excuses for them. It doesn’t help anyone when we blindly protect someone, not even the person whom we love and are trying to protect. I’m not saying that we should hate on BTS or cancel them, but let’s be realistic and support BTS and strive to keep that integrity that BTS stands for!

[@otomelover902]

​honestly, with the theories that were going on, BH could have easily taken that cop-out and just say "oh yeah it's totally cause he was anti-sk and a cult leader!" but they didn't and took responsibility for their mistake and fixed it quickly. I respect that Edit: I’m not saying that this excuses them, I’m just saying that (as bad as an excuse it would have been) they could have just agreed with the theories and I can respect that they decided to be upfront and fix it

[@newbiechu7024]

But did Suga apologized too? Big Hit was just doing damage control because they knew they fucked up. This could have never happened if they researched enough.

[@sussyskye477]

Gene Bello but it wasn’t suga’s fault. He didn’t produce the song. The producers put that in without knowing what it was and then it wasn’t flagged through Bighit’s checking system.

[@rcecile]

This isn’t an excuse, but it’s protocol for Kpop companies to issue apologies on behalf of the artists. Esp in the case of groups like BTS where the members aren’t allowed to have individual social media accounts.

[@leonorie4462]

The anti-korean theory would not have worked anyways, since like they said mist koreans don't even know who Jim Jones is. I saw a tweet from a korean and they said that's a lie (basically). So yeah even I didn't know who Jim Jones was

[@ai-tn5wd]

@@newbiechu7024 He did

[@natalieannett80]

Just to point out a fact about how SUGA is credited as composer but not producer: composing the song and producing the song can go hand in hand but it is two different roles in a production project. A producer is the creative leader (to put it broadly) whereas a composer is following the brief to follow the producer’s creative idea generally. Also I do think that sampling was so distorted that even I couldn’t understand what was being said. I will say that I am in no way educated in this matter since Jim Jones is a massive part of US history, not mine, but before I heard about this sampling issue I never heard of Jim Jones. I would say I do think this mistake was unintentional because they might not have known about Jim Jones.

[@ValentinesForever1]

I am a US Psych student who even took time to study Jonestown, but I never heard his voice. Just read the sermons, saw the pictures, etc. I many times tried to raise the volume of the track to understand what was being said and couldn't. So I agree with you. It's more than likely whoever was screening it at BH didn't realise who it was based on lack of knowledge about JJ and what he sounds like. I feel bad especially because, if what you're saying about composing and producing music (I will admit I don't know anything about creating music) is true, then Yoongi followed the idea of someone else and now is being dragged through the mud when he might not have had the idea to begin with. I hope he is doing okay because I know he's usually really hard on himself.

[@laurelcreagh9419]

Are you American? Anyway, Jim Jones was a famous cult leader who got his followers to commit group suicide by drinking poison. The expression about this or that person has “drunk the koolaid” or is brainwashed comes from that. Now, a lot of people say that Trump supporters drank the koolaid because they are compared to cult members.

[@calyyygrazie8]

Oh my gosh, I'm American, but they don't teach this. Why don't I know about this?

[@laurelcreagh9419]

Macey. Venus I don’t know. I guess there’s a lot more that can be taught in school.

[@Jha0601]

I dont think its about whether the sampling was clear or not to understand, its why they chose that sampling carelessly. That practice of adding up a sample simply for aesthetics without proper research is lazy work and very irresponsible.

[@annablack6956]

True How did that voice sample get through? If listeners can get find out easily who the voice sample belongs to,then So can Big hit! SMH

[@saraha8513]

As an Army I’m noticing that a lot of people the fandom have some cult like tendencies towards BTS. They follow BTS blindly and they bully those who question them or BigHit. I’m not a black fan but I noticed that black fans who listened to his song, read the lyrics and were still upset were gaslighted. Armys were calling them antis and saying “you threw Yoongi under the bus”. The way they twisted the narrative and called Jim Jones anti Korean was some crazy mental gymnastics. I was initially defending Yoongi but after I listened to the song and read the lyrics, I could see there was no context and the sample was used for aesthetics. You should never lose sight of your humanity for your favs. Holding BTS accountable for their actions is fine as long as we don’t bully them.

[@ChicaBuenosAires]

Finally a rational Army (not saying there aren't others, you're just the first one I came across). Like I'm not gonna pretend it wasn't controversial for him to do that, I won't defend him by saying the song is perfect the way it is. But I don't mind the sample and a lot of people do though, and that's fine. Some Army needs to accept that maybe it irritated some people. It's just difficult to find rational arguments when you have pure hate and people are straight up calling him a racist without any proof. So it's like talking to a brick wall on both sides.

[@kxltte]

No, people weren't blindly defending bts. Armys yoongi didnt have bad intentions for it and were trying to stop the root of the problem which was an anti spreading this whole thing because they hate bts. The person called armys koolaid fandom which is even more proof that they didnt care about the sample at all.

[@ekdud2772]

I completely agree. I read the apology through many times, both in English and in Korean, and it’s clear that they had no “deep” intentions with the jim jones sample like every ARMY is trying to claim; it was just used for aesthetic purposes so it’s clear to me that they were at fault for this. A part of me even knows that yoongi must have had a part in it and therefore made just as much of a mistake, but they apologized so they obviously know what they’ve done wrong. There is such a “herd mindset” in kpop fandoms these days especially with ARMY; they like to believe their idols can do no wrong and are perfectly 100% kind people when they should know that this is impossible. I have full confidence that BTS are good people with good intentions but that doesn’t mean they can’t slip up and make mistakes every once in a while. As fans we should be willing to call them out politely and help them make amends. Sometimes it just damages the idols’ reputation further when their fans refuse to accept the truth and continue to baby them. This behavior is so tiring, especially to me because I try to live my life more with reason rather than emotion, and it’s getting very old.

[@ekdud2772]

karen n yoongi didn’t have bad intentions but he still made a mistake, can’t people ignore their bias and see that? if you can’t call him out on it at least don’t blindly defend him by making up historical crap that even Koreans themselves disagree with.

[@ChicaBuenosAires]

karen n what?? That is absolutely disgusting. How can they take so lightly a horrible tragedy is beyond me.

[@ZionPark1st]

To everyone saying that SUGA used the Jim Jones speech, to make it a ‘hater-song’, BigHit already came out and said that SUGA did not mean to use the speech. It was included in the sample by the producer. SUGA never meant to use this speech, so it was not part of his ‘plan’ to criticse Jim Jones. I’m not hating or anything, I’m just stating facts. BigHit came out and said that this was not planned and SUGA did not know about it.

[@elbakapllani1350]

Yes. Still was very fitting. And art is interpreted and assumed from people differently. That is why artists don’t usually explain throughly the messages in their songs, because they want to leave it to people’s imagination. Even now that I know I see it fitting not only aesthetically but also about its content since it is part of a disstrack.

[@an3rzz]

SUGA is too big of an artist and has been doing this for too long to not know to find out where his samples come from and what they mean. Dont insult his intelligence like this.

[@pppLT19]

@@an3rzz So you would rather assume that he did it on purpose? Its normal to not know. Stop making irrational excuses.

[@pppLT19]

@@pennybleta2300 So you would rather believe some random american, than actual koreans? No one knows this guy outside of america stop it. Bighit made a mistake apologised. Its all good now. You are being irrational.

[@ZionPark1st]

​@@an3rzz So, why did BigHit come out and say that they nor the artist were not aware of the speech used in the song? They didn't know what it mean. Just get over it. It's not a bad thing. I'm saying SUGA didn't intend to include it, it was from the sample given to him. The company's come out and said that they didn't know and they've now removed it.

[@chanyeolswife5366]

Honestly.. I was confused on the whole BigHit/Suga/Producer situation. After reading up, I think it was an ignorant mistake. I see some (key word some) black ARMYs say that they would have been fine with the sampling had it been integrated CLEARLY into the song.. However, upon reading the apology it has been found out that the producers added it because it FIT the theme.. Or as some fans argue aesthetic purposes. Jim J*nes was a horrible person to the black community. I think with whats going on right now in the world, this blew up more than it should. I say more than it should because the BLM hashtags should have dominated the trends locally and worldwide I was pissed when I heard this managed to overtake it in some places. All in all, BigHit have apologised.. Its up to each individual to accept that apology BUT no hate should be placed upon Suga.

[@jeanne6201]

I do actually agree with everything Danny and David discussed regarding Yoongi sampling JJ. Some armys really need to stop defending BTS when they’re wrong. Learn how to call out your idols, educate them. This isn’t about throwing someone out of the bus or hating on them, if you’re really concerned about them, you will not tolerate anything wrong. Bighit apologized and if you’re not black, you have no right to say anything regarding this matter. Guilt tripping others because they are disappointed with Bighit being careless, they didn’t even researched anything before releasing something, they apologized because it’s a mistake. You have no right to oblige black people to be okay with it, you have no right to say other things either. Yoongi is somehow accountable for this because the song is still under his name. Nobody is hating on him, except the antis, of course. I hope you know that what black armys feeling about this, you don’t have the right to invalidate it.

[@karishmasrivastava8149]

But samples have always been used before in hip hop. Even hip hop lovers themselves said this isn’t an issue and people need to stop making everything an issue. If it genuinely hurt someone why didn’t ask other artists too to apologise. Hip hop is a controversial genre. Speeches/slogans/names of killers murderers, politicians have been used before by rappers. But they were never called out. Yoongi didn’t agree with what Jim jones said. So how was his speech hurt people. There are so many problematic people out there making music no one raised a voice against those artists.

[@faberina1936]

@@karishmasrivastava8149 artists who used samples which impact their audience negatively ARE called out. in addition, just because other people do it, that doesn't mean it's okay.

[@karishmasrivastava8149]

Aya they have never been called out? Like never. Hip hop fans don’t even care for this. Most Kpop fans don’t even know that his mixtape is hip hop not a fucking Kpop mixtape. Of course he won’t talk about flowers and fairies.

[@faberina1936]

@@karishmasrivastava8149 Kanye West was called out for the sample used in Blood on the Leaves, even the viral hit Harlem Shake had controversy for using a certain sample. Theres a song called Go Outside which used a Jim Jones sample, the band, Cults!, even had the blessings from the survivors of the cult yet they were still met with a lot of controversy. I don't understand how what you said about mixtapes is relevant to this conversation.

[@karishmasrivastava8149]

Aya Lana was never called out? Post Malone? Hip hop has always been controversial. It isn’t new to any hip hop fan. Ask a hip hop fan if that sample was actually wrong to be put and if it was necessary for them to apologise. If you want my perspective check out the D-2 live streaming by MONOQ TV.

[@adisamedunjanin3372]

What is weird to me is...why no one said anything when mixtape was released? Why all of the sudden that twitter acc (we all know which acc) decided to talk about this in the middle of other more important things going on? Trending jim jones and bombarding with tweets (defending or attacking) was wrong. But that's just my opinion. Also, i don't blindly defend suga or attack him. He or the producer of the track apparently made a mistake, and bighit apologized for it. Cool.

[@Splexsychiick]

....I can only assume lot of bts fan did not realize or understand why it was problematic. Only after people who are knowledgeable or who cared enough were exposed to it were they able to speak out against it. Seems obvious. There were probably those who spoke out about it but because they don't have a strong social media presence it took time for the story to gain tractions. I can assume bts haters assisted in spreading the story but it doesn't diminish the wrongness of using the jim Jones sample. Also because American Armies are dealing with a lot right now and this f'up/goof by suga and Bighit entertainment really hurt them. Make sense ?

[@surayyaa5343]

Ikr?! Well.. timing make it better.. f**k

[@BDaTDaSADaNDaIME]

IKR! They also showed it on movie

[@winnieli7257]

i think the first time the sample was in bts content was in their first movie. i just find it weird how it didn’t get out then or no one told yoongi/bighit that the sample was insensitive the first time it was showed. then again, i wasn’t a kpoppie then so i’m not sure what happened.

[@surayyaa5343]

@@winnieli7257 can you tell me what movie. I am sorry i don't hear it

[@jilll1287]

I’m not defending him, but as an older AMERICAN army (I was a senior in high school when Jonestown Massacre happened) I had no clue it was Jones. None.

[@melanietorresc.6565]

Exactly, how was he supposed to know that? USA History is not the world's History🤷‍♀️

[@jilll1287]

We Bob right? Could have been Graham or Falwell...

[@jilll1287]

Melanie Torres C. Yep..This is what a wrong with America. We think it’s all about us. This outrage had ethnocentrism written all over it. I can tell you that with the exception of Japan bombing Pearl Harbor, I learned zip about Asian history. So why would they know about an American cult leader who massacred 900 followers in 1978?

[@bucoybrown]

I’m in the Bay Area where Jim Jones’ cult was originally based. I’d have never placed this either. Not sure I wouldn’t have been offended per se, as it is something we reference all the time historically and is so steeped into our culture that people don’t even realize it. Ever used the phrase, “drinking the Kool-Aid?” Do people know where that comes from? If they don’t, they don’t have any leg to stand on in criticizing Suga in this case. And unless one plans on deleting that idiom from their vocabulary, well, Big Hit has at least done the work to remove the sample from the track because it really meant nothing to them but sound. How many of us who still use terrible language can say the same?

[@jilll1287]

bucoybrown I’m Bay Area as well. Worked at UCSF. I honestly don’t understand the outrage and the connections people are trying to equate with BLM. Is this fan war? Jealousy? What?

[@tyrethala]

I don't want to stress myself with this ... better to watch BTS past Bon Voyage's all over again, for good vibes.

[@nishatnafa988]

You are such a mood😂😂

[@arianaali6275]

Yep same 😶😂

[@istanbts4558]

Me too but im watching all their performances in all awards shows.

[@undramaticfanofworld9862]

Yeah yeah, keep up with the 'Toxic Positivity' (look it up) , as if everything in the world is perfectly alright and will set back to Normal if I just close my Eyes and Ears. Much change can be brought with that. Yayy !!

[@guccitaeger9086]

Undramatic Fan of World When there are bad things going on, sometimes it can be really stressful and overwhelming. If watching a few fun videos can make you feel better then what’s the problem. It’s important to be educated, but equally important to take care of yourself. Also this person made this comment in a joking manner so there was no need for you to be so hostile.

[@dancemac1995]

2 points... 1. Jim Jones: maybe the anti- South Korean isn't the way to say it, but he did have a rhetoric that focused on praising North Korea and the way they lived. It's been said he and his family had dinners with North Korean ambassadors and Jones used North Korean propaganda on his followers. So perhaps that is what made people claim he was anti- South Korean? Not saying it's accurate thing to say just letting you know where that might have come from. 2. Now that Kpop has reached an incredible level of success in the world, it'll also have to deal with this. Certain actions in regards to a word, style, sample, etc. might offend people from another country. Now what EVERYONE needs to remember is the response is what matters especially when "they didn't know" is thrown around (by that I mean if they didn't know, the response should be respectful and sincere and if it's not they're just using it as an excuse to avoid the issue, it's what separates a mistake from ill intent in my opinion). I hadn't seen this news about Suga until it was already dealt with (apologized and rereleased), I'm also not familiar enough with Jim Jones that I would have caught, that speech being made by him. I do think though, they dealt with this in an appropriate way. Whether it would have offended you or not, you gotta respect the sincerity of their actions in terms of how they responded and how quickly, which in my opinion show it was indeed a mistake with no ill-intent.

[@T7Karou]

Summary: good apology, search your material, case closed

[@ijm7117]

I originally believed the speech was intentionally used to accuse people of blindly following the false news the media distributes. Even after the apology bc to me it just seemed to fit. But, if it truly wasn't his intention, then the company should have been more cautious.

[@marcle739]

I’m a Black Kpop Stan. Thank you all for helping, bringing awareness, and just being there. Some Kpop stans have been very disrespectful, while others have been kind and helping. Suga would never intentionally hurt ARMY, all he asks is for us to trust him and stay by his side.

[@victoriakkam]

BH did the right thing by apologising. There is still family members of the people JJ killed that are living today and some may be armys themselves. People saying they did nothing wrong are being extremely insensitive. We know it wasn't yoongi who added it, but I am proud of them all for taking responsibility and deleting it. He killed so many people that saying "they did nothing wrong" is taking things too far

[@user-gc8zt4bz1d]

Yea Knowing what this man has done and then listening to his voice and ceremony was pretty scaryy

[@oliviahawkins1513]

I'm surprised they didn't talk about the fancam incident

[@quid6775]

What incident ?

[@user-uz5pk4wd4t]

?

[@nellsha9057]

Whats that?

[@xy1784]

Apparently there are fancams on Instagram (I don't really know as I don't have Instagram) going around which at first seem normal but then they suddenly show disgusting/ scary things such as dead bodies so please be careful and report them (if that's possible) if you come across one of them :)

[@JayDeryll]

what is it

[@daphnebaje251]

People saying that the inclusion of the Jim Jones speech was okay since the context of the song was to criticise it but the context of the song has no connection to the speech itself. BigHit already apologized and admitted that theyve made a mistake, so why are some of yall still saying to read the lyrics when the lyrics HAS NO CONNECTION TO THE SPEECH?! Also, the use of Jim Jones' speech is not prohibited as long as you use it right and know the context of it. Because using it just for aesthetic is a big insult to the people that were affected by Jim Jones

[@newbiechu7024]

@Bapsae Bapsae the problem is Suga should have never used it if he's gonna rap about flexing how he is rich and all that. He has no haters, only non existent ones. Aesthetic purposes is such a poor excuse to admit to their mistakes.

[@LB-fv6ry]

Because all the controversy was started by an antiblack and antiasian person, that has accused other members of disgusting things and has contact with sasaengs of a lot of idosl, yall are not seeing the big picture.

[@karishmasrivastava8149]

Dude. Did you see how many people emailed bighit? What did you want bighit to say? Listen to the song? They took the easy way out. They shouldn’t have apologised for it.

[@karishmasrivastava8149]

Gene Bello what do you want him to rap about? He did say that song was a trap and y’all fell into it.

[@faynuexunqi4042]

OpPa CaN dO nO WrOnG!!! jokes aside My anger isn't towards yoongi, he owned up to it and that's all I ask for, but a lot of the armies making up lies and excuses for him, even tho his already made a statement, is just stupid.

[@blueorchid9455]

It's strange to see people defending Suga in this case, still making up excuses for him to not have to apologize (even tho he already technically did]), or excusing him still when the matter has been closed already. if you want to see BTS as humans who make mistakes and has their own rightfully faults, then do so truly. the problem here was negligence and ignorance, accept that and move on, it came in a distressful time and has affected some fans of them BIG HIT apologized to them and that's that. should they be condemned? no should they be treated as if nothing happened and pretend the did no wrong? no, they have accepted this, and hopefully, it will not happen again end of the story. don't try to still make loose ends match to unreasonably excuse him, he did what he did, he is a big man and should be held responsible(he is listed as producer and writer now maybe he didn't participate in a few parts of the composition or something was added at the end but he still should have checked the changes, it's his music after all) but also and perhaps more importantly BIG HIT should have had intervened in any case, as the company and label who is mostly under the spotlight with the importance that BTS name has, and since it is the group in which they rely the most on, they should have protected BTS and themselves against this types of misunderstandings. now if it were a random dick head they quoted one would be lenient but this is about a mass murder motherfucker who killed children, again the immediate response they had was the correct action and that's it.

[@anastasyavie6236]

He didn't even refer Jonestown in the song but use like his actual voice in recording that hard to found and the use of JJ actual sermon is always insensitive. Idk why many fans can't accept that he did wrong and move on.

[@hmarie9902]

Exactly, especially in a time like this. Like yes he made a mistake but he should be called out for that so he will think twice about it next time.

[@kou4875]

i completely agree

[@nazarethjuwenK]

"They expending so fast", they becoming so fearless. Im worried too. But in business, high risk high return.. Let just hope for the best. Kkeppjangg

[@lovefoolish5682]

The JJ situation just proved that some armys believe that bts are gods who can do no wrong. The number of people I saw calling black armys antis and telling them to leave the fandom just because they felt discomfort baffled me EDIT: I think you guys are misunderstanding me. I don't blame yoongi for what happened he apologized and owned up and that's good because some companies ignore this type of thing. I don't expect bts to know everything going on especially when it's not even their side of the hemisphere. I am taking about the actual armys (not the antis who took this as a chance to bash bts and start fanwars) the ones who were guilt-tripping people by saying 'I never turned my back on him' even though they were simply expressing their discomfort. I'm talking about the people who were wrongly put on blocklist and expose threads. EDIT 2: I'm not talking about the people who were hating black or not I'm talking about the black armys who were upset about the use of JJ (and honestly in these times can you blame them) it was resolved yes but some people are still hurt

[@parkash8494]

No. I'm sorry but u are getting wrong idea. Armys were supporting black army and was waiting for yoongi/bighit answer. It was the antis who made black army mad by saying some shit. Bts are human and everyone know but some army like calling them god as they saved their lives, wen they were felling discomfort/unhappy. But its finished now. They apologized

[@ankitapathak2205]

READ! I am sure I saw many antis bashing black people on twitter. And for me, I am defo defending yoongi coz it's not possible for everyone to know what goes on in every part of the world. For eg, I am sure you know nothing about rapes, protests, police brutality, murders, mob lynching and riots going on in India rn.. They are way worse than what's happening in the USA currently. Why? Coz they happen every single day! I don't blame you tho. I CAN'T BLAME YOU FOR NOT KNOWING THAT. It's not possible to know every incident that takes place all across the globe. I didn't even know about the Jim Jones incident before this. Did you know that India-Pakistan partition back in 1947 was the reason for the BIGGEST MIGRATION IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY? Lemme guess, majority of ppl don't know about that. But can I blame them? No! Coz it's not their fault. So, why are we blaming yoongi for not knowing what that sample was? COZ HE IS IN BTS AND SUDDNELY HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW HISTORY OF EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY SO HE DOESN'T MAKE SUCH MISTAKES? But I am actually glad that they did apologise and I am against all of those fans who say that apologising wasn't needed. It was needed coz that's how you learn from your mistakes. I know they made a mistake (and they are ofc not GODS). I ain't a delulu fan. And I am glad that they are reflecting on this coz it was needed. And I am sure they would think a lot before putting out anything like that again.

[@lovefoolish5682]

@@ankitapathak2205 I'm not blaming him for not knowing sorry if it seemed like I was

[@ParkJimin-nb8xi]

They weren't attacking black armys for feeling hurt they were mad at how armys turned their backs on him and HATED on him we could've solved this peacefully too right?

[@elisabethgraham9757]

be careful your word can be misinterpreted, look like Army racism towards black people, because thats not right, we have so many fans from many colors and no one here do racism doing others, if u dont know the matter please dont speak like u know , we here disappointed with them who saying theyre fans but bashing him than correct him, when they apologize and fix it thise people keep wanted him to die or cancel him or want him to quit

[@yvonne3582]

It’s becoming obvious how toxic online fandoms are, I’ve been called a hater an anti and straight out a non-ARMY for saying that it was a fail on their part using the sample was. And using the “he didn’t know” is not an okay excuse, I totally agree with Danny, how did the sample pass all the review process? I pointed out that there was no counter point to the sample and of course I was asked not to post and just stop being a fan. What is wrong with the fandom that we can’t have a logical discussion on anything. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@mochiimoon6937]

Yvonne Nunez you’re surprised ? Army fandom is the worst they even send death treats to a girl group so....

[@amycruzcuevas6426]

Just remember your feelings are valid.

[@ireenzee1882]

Yoongi is my bias and I follow a lot of yoongi stan accounts so when this issue erupted on twitter, I was initially angry at those who expressed hurt with the use of the sample and found myself defending yoongi at all costs like other yoongi stans. However when twitter got too toxic, I decided to log out of it and take a moment to collect myself. In that period of silence from twitter, I decided to listen to the song with the sample and looked up the lyrics and read them over and over again. It was there that I realized (this time rationally and not emotionally) that yoongi and the producers did mess up and make a mistake. Now, even as a yoongi stan, I do accept that it was irresponsible on his and the producers part to not check what the sample actually contained. I am disappointed in yoongi but then again, he makes mistakes just like everybody else. I do however appreciate yoongi’s humility to accept his mistake and I commend bighit for apologizing asap. I hope that, aside from yoongi and bighit, we all have learned from this. Let’s move on with these lessons and focus on other matters and social issues that are far more important... 💜💜💜

[@angi4912]

The producers included that in the song, but how the hell did they not bat an eye to the lyric?? It's so weird

[@malina1256]

I am a mother of a BTS fan. I joined my daughter, at her behest, in viewing and listening to their music, so I could understand what’s going on in KPop kingdom. I liked Suga, among others, because of his rapping skills, but I was shocked when I got to read the lyrics of “What Do You Think”, before I learned about the inclusion of Jim Jones speech in the intro. I agree with you that for Suga to commit that blunder, without knowing the gravity of that sample, is unthinkable, solely because he’s considered as one of the thinkers of his group. I saw a video clip of him listening to that sample a year ago so I guess he’s fully aware of its history. Anyway, in that sample, Jim Jones, as the leader of the cult was addressing his followers, commending them for their loyalty to him. Suga, on the other hand, dissed his/their detractors, making sure they know exactly what he thinks of them, even after all these years. Now, to find the connection between Jim Jones and Suga in that song is up to our own interpretation. I would just like to say I was sorely disappointed in him for focusing on their hardships despite of their unparalleled success in the international community. He should have been more magnanimous in their victory against their detractors. After all, most KPop groups encountered a lot of difficulties, too, without achieving that level of success that his group did in so short a time.

[@mikumoon1374]

Can I just say that we shouldn’t cancel any of them for their opinion because 1. They donated to the cause 2. They’re using their platform to spread awareness 3. They aren’t experiencing what we are.

[@lenn452]

but seriously HOW in the heck did no one care to know where is the speech from??? I just can't understand that... it's a a beginning of a song do they not care about it whatsoever???

[@gabrielbagon6132]

i , including many others , didn’t even know about jim jones until this situation happened . like seriously not many of us knew who he was , i don’t even remember learning about him in my history classes . that’s why i’m not expecting that a south korean man in his 20s is gonna know who tf he is either . bh already clarified and explained the situation , and yoongi feels bad . all in all , it was an honest mistake from all parties . yoongi isn’t a bad person , he’s just made a mistake .

[@honestlyidk8112]

I agree. They say they have a team just for checking things...how hard is it to do a quick internet search for a not-obscure person?

[@gabrielbagon6132]

honestly idk things happen . koreans don’t know who tf jim jones was . it was just an error like they said . we don’t know how the producer even got it in the first place , but the producer did in fact put it in the song . let’s just be glad that bh clarified the situation and apologized , and they edited the speech out . yoongi feels horrible about it , i think that in itself means that he really did not know but he regrets it .

[@bellagrey5906]

honestly idk Can we do a quick search using audio from a sample (distorted sample I might add)? I’m really curious.

[@shinryouzen]

As someone not from America, I have never heard of this man in my life until the situation. The speech itself was very indistinct I could hardly understand what he was saying so no, dont expect people to look it up since a lot cant understand what he was saying and that outside the west, jj isnt as big of a person others think he is

[@epiphadipity]

Ah okay, I finally understand the whole Jim Jones thing. Thanks for making things so clear hahah, twitter is too full of emotional tweets I don't know what to believe in.

[@azure8091]

I’m just hoping these K-pop idols actually mean it when they say Black Lives Matter and donate because I feel like they donate more for their ego and to hide mistakes that they made without actually apologizing about them so they hope to cover them up. Like the situation with suga and his solo he never actually apologized but then the day after George Floyd died all of a sudden BTS speaks up against racism

[@snowyung9516]

We actually had to pester them for 2 weeks to speak on blm

[@tifannyraghubir1484]

I’m right from Guyana where the Jim Jones tragedy happened so and some many ppl just be talking about certain things which they don’t know and sometimes automatically blame our country sometimes and gives it a bad name so idk if suga made a mistake and is sorry about it that’s good bcuz he didn’t know and u should move on bcuz some ppl don’t know about the whole Jim Jones situation but just wat they see so know ur stuff ppl before u put blame bcuz being how BTS is so big I hope when using certain things u should really dive into the history but all and all if any harm was done big hit atleast addresses it so if anyone was angry they’re right but atleast they apologized for this mistake so let them live

[@jeness]

Love this

[@tinytan6869]

You are absolutely right .i agree with you

[@charliehope5544]

I didn't even know who Jim Jones was before the whole 'suga scandal' 🙈

[@LB-fv6ry]

Many artist have used the sample, but no one said something to them, people is just waiting to find something to attack bts 🤷‍♀️

[@Prinxezz09]

You Say did you not watch whatever this two dude were saying? They just said that there is 1 that samples Jim Jones sermon, Jim Jones speaking, I searched it myself and they are correct, no artist have used Jim Jones speech like what Suga’s producer did. They have a big platform and they should be always aware to what they put on their music, creativity is good buts respect is one more thing.

[@luonlinee]

delulu armys doing anything and everything to defend full grown man are making me lol. bts is a globally known group and should be aware of this kind of issues and if they make mistakes (they of course will bc no one is perfect) they should be held accountable. there should be nothing wrong in calling them out

[@acacia2649]

I'm an army but I agree idk why they used the speech but I don't think it was needed

[@dorothylynn4035]

Danny you make a super good point that they should have researched that sample. Especially if it is in a language that is not your first language? Just check what it means. I’m glad they took it out and apologized because it is a huge tragic part of another country’s history.

[@yuzurucorner]

An artist should be able to transform and integrate media into their art. It makes me think why people want to censor art. Agust d is not the idol Suga is. He is a completely different artist and should have total control over his work. There could be a serious discussion to be had, but no one is really angry for the victims of the cult, majority of the people are just riding the drama.

[@simpleton3781]

I just want to point out that all the support from the various artists that I love has been heartwarming as a black person and I sincerely mean that. Asian culture has an anti-blackness narrative to it (these are facts from my asian friends if you don't believe me then ok but like go check it out I'm not kidding and I could even share my own experience :/ ) and also in Korea they had blackface shows in the past 5 years (blackface is very offensive if you don't know what that is then I suggest research). And it's heartwarming to see the effort bc a a black person I'm tired of defending my importance and screaming to be heard and cared for. I'm happy to see people with platforms and money taking a stand in Asian. Especially since African American culture has a impressionable impact on the pop culture there. I would like to express my concerns that in the future if a race issue comes up that I'm afraid no one will listen bc they'll say "hey so and so defended this during this time what more do you want?" And what we want is consistent action. Donating money once and reposting is a good start but it is not the end. Let's use this to open up and talk about some big uncomfortable issues ike the issue of culture appropriation and cultural insensitivity. Let's use this moment to let black kpop fans express their dissatisfaction and their hurt when we see our style and cultural aspects being appropriated for the sake of style. To appreciate is to be subjective. To appropriate is to be objective. So please understand that. I wouldn't, never have, and never will disrespectful use asian culture for a fashion sense or anything like that. That's a beautiful history I admire and respect. You can enjoy hip hop and be cool and be a cool rapper without the dreads and the braids. Furthermore, if you think it's something like """just hair""" a boy was denied walking in his graduation bc of dread locs. I've had my hair discriminated against. NY had to pass a law defending the idea that black people and their natural hair was professional. So please understand that it's not just a """hair""". Please and thank you. If you have any RESPECTFUL questions I will answer any and all.

[@quiseanamack6864]

*snaps* preach sis, preach

[@slc4226]

Thank you for sharing. As a person of Chinese descent who has lived in the U.S. since 1963, I can say definitively that Chinese culture has historically been prejudiced against other peoples (the Middle Kingdom and all that) and especially against black people. It's clear that it's not only a Chinese issue, but one common to many Asian countries and not just Asian unfortunately. No shame in talking about it in the open. Only shame if we deny and help perpetuate it.

[@simpleton3781]

@@slc4226 thank you for taking the time to read and acknowledge this comment for one. I think people like you have the power to change that narrative in your community. I believe in you. But also remember it's not your sole responsibility to cause a great change. But any change is change :)

[@simpleton3781]

@@quiseanamack6864 lmao thank you

[@simpleton3781]

@radio pilots now I'm afraid no don't know what you that black people were attacking asian Americans last month for Asian American Pacific islander month. I can not fully speak for everyone however I do know a little as to why there is a reciprocation of anger and hatred. One friend shares how he has has nothing but racist experiences from Asian people and therefore he did not care much for them. I was prompt to correct him that just bc some people did him wrong doesn't mean it's ok to generalize them back. That's not how a cycle is broken. Me personally I've had Asian workers follow me in the store and accused me almost stealing something had they not """stopped me""". Moments like these can lead to black people find a disdain to Asian / Asian Americans. Also like I said Asians still engage in black face culture which was a form of mockery art done by white people to degrade black people. Any community that still engages in such behavior is bound not to be liked by the opposite group. There other reasons why the black community can be mean and disrespectful to the Asian community but here are just a few examples and two testimonials. However, I don't speak for everyone I hope this clarifies something for you. I would like to know more about the backlash you saw / seen from black people to Asian people though. I want to educate those around me better bc that sounds ridiculous to me that POC are disrespectful to other POC no matter who they are. And if I can take a mistake into a lesson I'm all ears. Thank you once again for your question.

[@mikumoon1374]

Before I say anything I just wanna say that I’m not trying to justify any idol(s) or group(s). I find it very odd that not many idols are donating or bringing awareness to #BLM. But on the other hand as Danny and David said they don’t really have much coverage of what’s going on but also they don’t live here (in America) so not many idols or groups can completely grasp our anger and all the reasons we demand justice not only for George Floyd but also for ALL the black lives we’ve lost from police brutality.

[@armyonpluto]

Adding to that, as idols I don't think they're encouraged to be outwardly political towards specific topics and if they suddenly speak up about BLM, you can guarantee there will be people from other parts of the world who will then demand they speak up for all the other issues going on and then it can snowball into something too big. We know they are kind people and they usually donate money quietly before the information is leaked out so we can't ever assume they don't care.

[@prtyyyyy]

@@armyonpluto exactly, this is quite simple thing to understand but armys are literally hating on them

[@Strangeguy07]

While I agree on the point that they should speak up, it's not possible unfortunately. Companies like SM and YG are known to control their artists very strictly (especially female idols) it's basically impossible for them to speak up about it until their companies allow them to.

[@ungegreier1802]

Why yall want to press your faves to speak up about it? What's the point of doing that? Make sure they get more hate and end up in a controversy for bringing this issue up?

[@fisticuffs12]

this is such an american mindset. just compare this to the hong kong situation. or the muslim situation in india. there are so many political crises going on around the world and idols are not politicians or activists. they spend their time honing their skills in performance, not reading up on international politics. even if they had all the information it would be totally normal not to want to weigh in on affairs in a foreign country, it's not necessarily the right thing.

[@okay999]

Regarding Jim Jones, I don’t understand why ARMY are creating random excuses for SUGA and the producers when they clearly stated that they did not know the context behind the sample. People make mistakes so it is not the end of the world... but regardless it was still irresponsible for SUGA for allowing that to be in his song, irresponsible for the producer to place in a random sample “because it fit” and irresponsible for it to pass through bighit. If it was true that SUGA used the sample in order to make a point then that should of been explained to fans and there would be no issue because many artists use controversial samples to make points. That’s just my opinion though.. 🤷🏾‍♀️ I Love Bangtan a lot but I will not coddle them when they make mistakes.

[@okay999]

I reposted so that individuals could reply if they wanted to!

[@geekgirl2724]

cassandra I agree with you. Exactly, I am sick of some armies not not holding BTS accountable for their mistakes, it is hard to being a black Kpop fan and a black army.

[@channguyen8549]

I don't even know about Jim Jones until this incident. If I was Suga and I need some racist sample to diss then I guess just choose one of the samples given by the producers without really knowing who said it. Maybe it's not entirely his fault, he still have to take responsibility and apologize + explained what happened to clear this off (eventhough many won't let go of this)

[@exlguns6417]

i dont understan why peoples always find what they made a mistakes and critisis them... im so tired to listeng...i feel so sad for BTS members...

[@criselleeaquino8867]

That's true sis

[@sugabeats]

Great point. Big Hit should have done their homework about the sample. It fell through the cracks. Either way it was handled appropriately. I hope one day DKDKTV can interview BTS. I have seen so much about how BTS gets more love globally than in their own country so i think would be wonderful for them to do an interview with you guys because it will be all love and respect. Plus I know it would be a great gateway to jump back into the Korean media.

[@colonbevorlyn]

You guys are awesome for showing support for the cause that's being faught out here in the US. Thank you David and Danny...#BlackLivesMatter

[@materidouska286]

AgustD did nothing wrong. This is an explanatory case of hypocrisy at its finest. If any other black American artist used the same material nobody would mind. I am disgusted with all that circus that erupted around the sample that was used. How strange, someone realized it is not ok more than a week after it was released. Hmmm. Of course BH apologized, they apologize per default for everything the boys do and fans throw tantrum about - JK tattoos, JK long hair, color of their socks, the fact they are breathing.... it is beyond ridiculous. I have watched older black hip hop head dudes reactions to that and all stated Min Yoongi did absolutely nothing wrong. People are gullible it is hard to believe. We do not deserve artists of Suga´s caliber.

[@softepilogues7020]

I don't support cancel culture. Yoongi made a mistake and he should be allowed to learn from it and be better. Also, I don't think we should invalidate the feelings of those people who were hurt by this. One black person doesn't speak for all black people.

[@materidouska286]

@@softepilogues7020 Fair enough, you can think and feel what you chose to. I still think he did nothing wrong. Much, much harsher and provocative texts were used as samples in hip hop culture for decades but he suddenly pays for it because he is who he is. I see it as a clear case of vindictive, vicious slander targeted at him, nothing less nothing more. And unfortunately the boys are used to this kind of unjust treatment. Hurt feelings are valid point but hurt feelings on their own do not justify gag on peoples right of free expression. Besides, it is all about context and interpretation - his sample fit the song well and doesn´t cause any harm on its own. It doens´t incite any hate towards anyone. If people used discernment and did a little research beforehand it wouldn need to come to this.

[@softepilogues7020]

@@materidouska286 Yeah, the whole backlash against him is way out of proportion for something that wasn't done with ill intent and doesn't physically harm anyone.

[@materidouska286]

@@softepilogues7020 Indeed.

[@lemonrosa5931]

I'll probably guess you are an army but please use your common sense. this whole situation wasn't warranted there is no excuse for the sampling used and it is outrageous why people want to defend it. Please research and educated yourself on the issue instead of bringing up the ON oTHEr PEOPlE DID IT sO iT's oK because it isn't ok. It wasn't okay when they did it and it's not okay now. And I know your probably angry that some people are using it as an excuse to hate on BTS but just like you were disgusted with the circus- be disgusted with what the song contains. Frankly I was happy at the circus.. For once some armies can try and see that they are human and to not try and defend them to the moon and back

[@kimrmpresidentjoon6660]

Whatever u wanna do just do it.... if u Want to be angry then be angry... If u want to forgive them forgive... If u think he didn't do anything wrong then defend him.... If u want to unstan just leave.... But never call him RACIST..... That's what I request... Thank u If u want BTS to speak now bcoz it has become a trend then u listen to 'change' by RM.... They are well known who speaks emotions through music... That is their power... Don't simply hate them or pressure them... They are just young adults and don't kill them through keyboard

[@kojung1036]

Underrated comment ^

[@g.l64528]

Thank you! Well said 👏👏👏

[@AngelicOrder]

If you head to soundcloud and click view info under the song's name in D-2 album, Yoongi isn't listed as producer for the song. That being said, I'm pretty sure the producers of the song don"t carry any ill intentions either, it was a lack of thorough research of origin of the sample (if not I don''t reckon the movie will even show Yoongi working on it at all), like what Bighit has mentioned and apologized for. They should have been more careful and thorough because their songs are listened to worldwide. But I think it's really responsible and admirable to come forward and address the issue fast. It shows transparency within issues, removes doubts and that the creators really care about the music released and about the people who consume their music. I believe after this incident Bighit will now take their production process even more seriously than before.

[@more5182]

They just want to dragge them like yoongi said it ugh Bts are the "neighborhood drum" It mean the drum that anyone can hit it Easy target to shit on The haters keep on pooking with no reason Jabbing bts if bts keep ignoring them they start staping bts Even the truth becomes a lie Lies become the truth Here everyone has a moral rationality And perfect judgements

[@marietrotski9929]

I agree with Danny. In today's world, we must highlighting context. Thus company aiming for global market should go as diverse as possible, so they themself can learn even slight different perspective. There's no aesthetics without growing in certain realm. Contexts are matter to aesthetics. Really! The fact that Suga's mixtape incident happen, showing that the company doesn't armed with thick diversity in their line of music production (producers, mixing engineers, etc). Another CON here. Yet then, this should be a great lesson to other entertainment company in SK too. You know, since K-pop is really something global right now. Emancipated listeners also need emancipated artist, management company, music labels, system, etc. It's a challenge. A hard one. But regardless the IPO intention, the PRO is, the way BigHit apologize as fast as thunder also show that they want to learn. And that ethos is a key for a company to develop even further.

[@pshchan9908]

I feel like the issue with this is Army's way of handling BTS's mistakes. I am a fan of them as well but I also felt irked by the way ARMY keeps making excuses and provinding allegued explanations as to why Suga (or Jungkook with the whole Itaewon mess) did what he did. Stop guarding them and attacking people who have the right to be mad about things that hurt them. You don't feel the did something wrong? Cool. But there's other people who do and you don't get to tell them their feelings are invalid. People are dying from covid and people died because of Jim Jones. BTS can make mistakes and BTS can LEARN from them. Don't let them do harm and not allow them to understand that and do better. Obviously they feel that too as they issued in both cases official apologies. I urge you all to learn from BTS as well, their humble standing and learn to admit a mistake, stop making excuses and apologize.

[@persona8208]

You know what, you should be careful saying these things, because I just told "Suga made a mistake and apologized, we should acknowledge it and move on" You can't imagine, how people attacked me in the comment section, bc according to them he did nothing wrong, so be ready

[@shroobzzz]

And also, even when you learned what is right or wrong, making mistakes is inevitable. No one is perfect. There are times you make mistakes, whether it’s intentional or not. However, it’s better to accept that you are wrong, learn about your mistake, and become the better you in the future. Mistakes don’t define who you are.

[@moon.937]

ifkr, it's weird as hell. so many armies keep calling them fake fans just because they dared to question irresponsible behaviour. us fans need to find a middle, between straight up cancelling idols and straight up acting as if they can do no wrong. if we don't hold idols responsible for their behaviour than how the fuck are they going to grow. imagine the no. of black armies that were offended because of this, and honestly constantly ignoring their mistakes will actually just harm them (the idol) in the long run. theyll be labelled as problematic and rude. even the jk situation, even if the government allowed people to go out, as celebrities who are supposed to be good examples in times of crisis, jk, jaehyun and everyone else should have known better, they didn't deserve so much hate, but they had to be held responsible. I love bts and I hope they don't do this again

[@AngelicOrder]

YES PREACH omg Honestly the fandom is SO freaking big now I gave up. I implore ARMYs to try and understand, sit back and reassess situations like this because some people were GENUIENLY hurt and confused regarding the sample used. I know people express love for artists/idols differently but trying to analyze in place of the artist and making things sound valid because of what YOU THINK THEY MEANT for a controversial song is really a big nono, especially in this case, when the sample is controversial for BAD reasons and will cause collateral damage if the reason for adding the sample was not blatant. Worse was, after BH's apology is out, alot of Armys were still "They did not have to apologise!!" etc Isit really hard to admit that humans err?? And this time it's the people involved in the production who weren't thorough enough in their research??? BH addressed the issue fast, a new version released and it shows Bighit/Yoongi really care about the music they put out, about the people who consume their music and pretty sure after this incident, they will take extra note in their production process.

[@ItsAlicein]

Sometimes they forget that their favs are humans too who are very capable of making mistakes and learn from it.

[@charlottelipman1103]

my thoughts: sometimes artists include sound bites from things that they are opposed to, so it is possible that suga decided to include a portion of the speech because it is something he does not believe in. i understand how people could have viewed it negatively, especially with what is going on in the US right now. however, i think it was a genuine mistake and suga nor the company intended to do this or support what jim jones is saying. bighit has proven that they are inclusive of everyone and you can see that in many company ventures. they apologized for their mistake as well and took responsibility.

[@camryn_deja8968]

I recently watched a video from MONQ TV. He provided a well explained viewpoint. I thought it was really good. The video is called Agust D2 Live Listen And The Truth About Sampling Jim Jones. His thoughts on the issue starts at 11:00 and it ends around 34:20. He reacts to kpop along with other genres as well and he provided his opinion on the situation. He is a very positive and genuine person.

[@priyankatayenjam739]

Now Bighit became the face of K-POP when stated before people dragged them everywhere. Wow just wowww.

[@sarahk8758]

i think INTENTION is incredibly important. it's more than valid to be upset by the use of the sample, but i also think it is ridiculous to start slandering yoongi's character or bighit. we know yoongi and BH are advocates of equality, personal growth, and addressing hard topics--more than most artists and companies that exist! that hasn't changed. it was just an oversight by the staff and yoongi--it happens. there is a fine line between using something edgy to start a conversation, and it being viewed as insensitive. I know many people don't think it crossed that line and was simply artistic expression, but there are many who were upset (obviously), and both are valid opinions. and NOW knowing it wasn't even used intentionally, it's even less of an issue. they released a great apology and even edited the song--that's all we can ask for. and they have learned from this now, i'm sure. they already have a WONDERFUL internal review process, which is more than many companies can say, and it was just a stupid mistake that made it through that process and i'm sure they'll be extra careful in their reviews in the future.

[@starpower4842]

I totally agree with you!!

[@lunax4533]

I agree. You can still offend even if it wasn’t intentional, this was the case for yoongi. I don’t think in a hundred years he’s a bad person, he just made a mistake and he will reflect on it by evaluating his music more throughly

[@noms341]

damn kings broke it down about the yoongi sample issue. the shit going around twitter was fucking ridiculous

[@bucoybrown]

Thank you David and Danny - donating is actually an amazing way to support, especially given the financial situation here in America, as it both shows real direct assistance but making a stance that the injustice in the US has the eyes of the world watching and needs to be corrected if we’re to continue to have a place in the global community.

[@lovelucy7231]

I am glad they admitted to the mistake, or lack of insight in this case. The Jim Jones massacre happened in my family's country and most people in the US know about the incident, its even a pop culture reference 'don't drink the Kool-aid' -- which is distasteful. His voice is very familiar if you know your United States history, how could they not do their research on the origin of those vocals? But nonetheless, everyone defending him by twisting the purpose and mistake, is shitty. Also, just because you didn’t recognize the voice does not no one else did. Everyones knowledge of history is different but the Jonestown Massacre still happened nonetheless and still reference to this day. So it’s okay to admit you didn’t know but don’t try to play it off like is a simple mistake ‘oh no one else knew.’ Well now you do,.

[@newbiechu7024]

Agreed. They all delude themselves by pointing Suga has the right to use the sample because Jim Jones is anti SK or some bullshit. He could've used a local source and not be all hardcore gangsta when he's not even invested in the situation he sampled on. He's an artist for Pete's sake.

[@sltslt24]

I'm from the US and I know Koreans that know the saying. This recording were the one thing left after the massacre. Like I don't get how no one didn't see this and think maybe we shouldn't use it. Like if he wanted a random strong speech for the vibe like there are alot of speechs. Like even if he used a Obama speech it wouldn't matter.

[@KAM-gl9dp]

Can someone explain the things Jim Jones did? I’m African American but I’ve never heard of him till now. I’ve also never heard that phrase.

[@user-gc8zt4bz1d]

Kim he poisoned an amount of 918 person , in them 300 something children , the majority of the deaths were black ppl and children

[@MsKaz1000]

I'm from the UK and have heard the saying about the kool-aid from American shows but never knew what it meant and I have no idea who Jim Jones was or is and Danny and David both said they had never heard of him either so to assume BH or Suga knew is nonsense I get why others defended him because knowing Suga would not think that way they assumed or guessed why it was used and as it turned out it was wrong and now they know and they have fixed their mistake which it was, a mistake and with the timing of that horrible crime by the police in the US it is making everyone even more sensitive to it

[@Caelum_-xu6sk]

I am also sceptical about the Big Hit IPO, firstly due to the enlistments as you said but also because I wonder how much longer BTS can keep going at the same intensity. We know that BTS always gives 100% with their activities but they have been doing it for over 7 years now. How long until they are exhausted and can only give 50%? I have been a BTS fan since their debut but I do wonder if some of the hype they got recently will fade out eventually. I know their music is amazing but people have low attention span these days. What if they lose interest? It's just way too risky to completely depend on one group.

[@ryeofoatmeal]

i also agree about the sampling issue. they're big company, why can't they do research first :/

[@vittoriasalvia2002]

True, I mean I was a bit suspicious when hearing the track way before this whole controversy happened, because the tone used by Jim Jones reminded me of other leaders of extremist parties, the tone was particularly used by past fascist,Nazis leaders, but then I left it thinking it was just a random person giving a speech.

[@charstar386]

understanding the use of it. It’s an example of what not to be like. It’s going over people’s heads, especially younger people. Olders and people born in the US may be more used to irony and not as sensitive.

[@bigwommy2609]

Honestly, I think the same way that big hit should have been able to catch that, so I really believed there must have been some reason the sample was used. I personally went with the comparing haters to a dangerous cult interpretation and thought that it was just probably not executed well. I thought for sure they would be careful about samples since bad sampling can lead to so many issues post release... I still think the hate bandwagon was gross, though. Lots of people making grand judgements of suga's character and attacking him. I'm not even a fan, I just found it quite horrible to witness.

[@dmblake4]

This is my first time hearing of this incident, but it does make me wonder. Most cultures sample from their own culture. We all have enough old music, TV shows, movies, etc to pull samples from, so I can't help but lean in the direction of this being intentional. There was a meaning behind using that exact sample, we just don't know why. I refuse to believe that anyone breathing in 2020 is this obtuse and unknowing of their own actions. Maybe they needed contraversary to boost sales?

[@pebreland]

I was thinking: What if the first version of the lyrics made sense and spoke a lot more about people acting like a cult on social media? But BigHit decided to cut the lyrics so they wouldn't be so controversial and instead left the infamous speach. If that is the case BigHit is drunk. That is my ultimate theory right now. Anyways, they released a new version without the sample so people should really stop trashing Yoongi

[@danamaratova9125]

I think this incident really shows how tables can turn when you have such a huge fan base. With these many people keeping an eye on literally every step you make, chances to be mistaken and forgiven get really low. I mean, there are so many ARMYs from a different countries and cultures that you really have to tip toe around to not to get on someone's feelings. I don't think that Suga is fully innocent on this. He in addition to his company made a mistake. The timing also, played it's role. With all this horrible things taking place. If it happened earlier not so many would get hurt or bash Yoongi so much. But it doesn't mean we have to jump on him and start canceling everybody left and right. This is a chance for Big Hit to realize what kind of force they have and manage things more properly. I hope the lesson is learned.

[@brittneyd3173]

From my understanding, the international armys were told by a Korean American fan translator on Twitter about Jones' support of North Korea and his help in the spread of propaganda against South Korea, so I'm pretty sure that's where it initiated from.

[@marlak4203]

Oh Ok. Well. That is a more sensible

[@xecillmaze4740]

I'm honestly just so appalled by how fans were putting words into Suga's mouth by saying "NOOOOO JIM JONES WAS ANTI-KOREAN" and trying to twist history. Those are just theories but that doesn't mean they're facts. He was only pro-north korean. He wanted to adopt north korea's administration for his own cult. Even DKDKtv isn't aware of him being an anti-korean. Jim Jones wasn't a significant figure in South Korean history- he was popular in America for his cult and mass murder, not for some odd hate for South Korea. How the heck did they even get that he was anti-south korean? Of course I don't condone harassing Suga, but his fans deserve to be slammed for putting words and 'meanings' in his mouth. also, I'm not black so I'm not angry about the whole sampling thing- I'm more angry at the fans making up stories and doxxing others who speak out to this. This is seriously cult-like behavior, it's scary.

[@lazygurl305]

I am in my late 20s and born and raised in the US. I am familiar with Jim Jones through documentaries and movies and stuff but I don't recall ever covering that in school. I am familiar with the saying as well. That being said, I would not have recognized that speech if it hadn't been pointed out. I think it's a major oversight on behalf of BigHit if it truly was just used for no real reason. If I'm sampling from something in a different language, I'm definitely looking it up to make sure it's not anything inappropriate. They were correct in editing out that part of the song. I accept the apology and I'm not going to cancel BTS over this. I bet from now on they will step up their checking game to avoid this happening again. And for the ARMYs, I love how hard they go for the boys, but sometimes I just am frustrated with how they behave. First instinct is going to be to defend them, but don't make things up or try to throw others under the bus to help them save face.Try to acknowledge that sometimes they're in the wrong. Maybe not intentionally, but wrong nonetheless. How can we expect them to learn from mistakes if we're not allowing them to recognize when they make one.

[@graceababan]

Yes DKDKTV, thank you for talking about this. I'm not living in US but looking into this, it's really heartbreaking and it hit me. It's a fight for all humanity. Sign petitions. Donate. Educate yourself. Speak up.

[@maram414]

Thank 👏you👏....that's what I've been saying. How did no one in the entire production team miss this? A quick Google search could have solved all this

[@MsNaiyaz]

If the producer didn’t know Jim Jones, then Where would the producer find the audio to sample?

[@Jha0601]

Exactly. Its like they were too ignorant for incorporating a sample blindly, too lazy to make a research or just heedless of whatever music they can put out there so long as it sounds good. Its such a rookie mistake its so baffling and very unfortunate.

[@flowercrown1441]

A producer actually did some research on this. The platform from where they bought the sample had a package named "Vintage sounds" or something similar and Jim Jones wasn't mentioned anywhere.

[@flowercrown1441]

@@Ypoons-33 I checked it myself and there wasn't and this is from a year ago :/

[@Ahreigh]

People did know about the sermon sample last year though, because there was a clip of the song on bring the soul when Yoongi was producing his mixtape which armys figured out was JJ. And they knew about the week before last when the album dropped. It wasn’t until antis ran with the story a few days ago and manipulated current events, using people’s emotions to fuel the hate against Yoongi.

[@blacklovelyangel]

Hailey That is what I find super fishy as well ?? I mean perfect timing huh 🤔

[@BunnySaintV1]

So you're admitteing that you armys know that Suga sampled jj for months but didn't call him out for it until others do Lmao as expected from armys

[@nishatnafa988]

As much as I love the boys I wanna say that it was a mistake maybe a big one which may offended some people but they apologized so we shouldn't spread more hate on the artist since that had no intention of hurting other's feelings. And BIGHIT better learn from this incident that they are no longer a struggling company and the contents they create are being listened and enjoyed by millions of people. So they better be careful cause like the smallest mistakes will be criticized. They better not forget that they representing world's biggest boy band.And hope the boys will be able to handle the whole thing and learn from this.

[@shroobzzz]

Michelle M well Suga didn’t produced that one track but I can understand that he needs to know what the samples he’s using mean.

[@김복주-c4f]

I expect an apology from other artists as well.

[@nishatnafa988]

@Michelle M BIGHIT I mean there company apologized on behalf of SUGA and all the other producers. 😕😕

[@marywilliams6079]

@Michelle M i guess you're not a fan of BTS?

[@jilll1287]

Michelle M their company has always spoken for them. If you were a fan you’d know that already. Keep moving.

[@ddaniel8780]

Great conversation. I appreciate your thoughtfulness on every topic discussed.

[@YiBaiFenSJ]

Not sure if anyone has said this, but I for one really appreciate David's song and lyric interpretation videos! Please keep them up, they make me appreciate the song even more.

[@kyounao]

Love you Danny and David. Y'all never get clouded with fan culture or gaslighting or bullshit. Y'all really keep it neutral. And speak on questionable content, or controversial subjects, and speak rational truths.

[@nini3993]

i believe that it was an mistake especially on bighits part, however yoongi was not the producer he only wrote the lyrics but i do agree that he should have done some research, but if u wanna call out yoongi keep the same energy for the actual producer as well!! and dont invalidate black armys feelings!! many felt shocked and hurt and that is allowed

[@nanamimomozono4146]

nini ً I agreed with you 100%

[@donnal.padilla4336]

No many black army were not hurt. I am a mixed blood army who thought hell yes at its use. Plus Jim Jones was not against black people. In fact many of his followers that died in that tragedy were black. Jim Jones was anti-Korean. He manipulated people who followed him blindly like sheep to the slaughter never questioning his bigoted ways against those not of America. Heavens look into it people before sharing. I thought hell yes when I found out it was Jim Jones used. I was in college when that tragedy happened. I am keeping my purchase of original version. Proud of Suga & co-producers who worked on the song. The beginning is very distorted. That anti who began this witch hunt had to really research hard to come up with anything to damage Suga/BTS. Now that apology sent there is another anti Suga movement in which they are calling Suga a liar for claiming mix tape as self-produced. Suga is main producer but each song had assist or co-producers on them. Did no one read the credits for this mix tape? Do those doing this realize all artists have assist on production? A production team with head producer. You see it wasn't use of Jones speech or this would be over. But now they moved on to something else to bring Suga down. You who fell for this ploy need to wakeup.

[@deena-s5e]

I had no idea whatsoever who Jim Jones was and so when I heard the song I just thought the intro was mumbling or smth, but then I heard it is Jim Jones voice and did some research on the issue, I personally understand both sides pretty well and yes BH made a mistake and apologized for it, so we should just accept the apology, stop fighting, move on and focus on more important things that are going on at the moment.

[@sookyohwang1737]

Exactly thank you for saying this

[@deena-s5e]

@@sookyohwang1737 no problem🥰

[@samantha1228]

Thank you guys for donating and spreading awareness! It’s much appreciated!

[@raquelh6422]

I'm just gonna say thank u guys so much for making this clear and I totally agree with Danny

[@DKDKTV]

What's your take on 'What Do You Think?'

[@shannon504]

People are butt hurt for no reason.

[@fathimahimaza5992]

People are fake. They just want to hate BTS no matter what they do.

[@fathimahimaza5992]

It was a Diss track that's it. People just hate Them for no reason

[@Sara-vk1ts]

Antis and fake ARMYS black or not who are bashing him can leave the fandom

[@chiaravallini532]

It’s something that I’ve seen a million times in the rapper community. So nothing new. I wouldn’t cancel suga tbh. But yeah glad Bighit apologize and clarified

[@MsPinkbutterfly2010]

This fandom is made of multiple races, religions, most of us are minorities from all over the world .. I hate what’s going on right now . Army do You think the boys don’t ? We don’t know what is keeping them from speaking out right now. .. I think Suga really is beating himself up for how this sample affected people. Most people missed it until the Antis started spreading it around. And using the BLM movement for their BTS hate agenda I saw it all on weverse and Twitter. All of our beautiful black army I hope u understand that a lot of the hate you guys were getting were not Real army’s there were a lot of fake accounts going around saying mean hurtful things to turn you against the fandom and then boys. And they achieved a lot of that. big hit apologized , and I’m sure he is beating himself up for it. Don’t think real army don’t feel your pain and your hurt a lot of us have felt it too. A lot of the fandom have signed petitions marched along side you and donated. We don’t know the reasons they haven’t spoke on it if it’s their label, contracts or whatever. Have faith that they will do something that they do feel your pain. Right now is a time to stand together. Don’t let other people influence you to pull away.. we are family and so are they . Stay strong we are with you !

[@g.l64528]

Kookielove82 Exactly! ARMY STAND TOGETHER 💜💜

[@jjeojkl]

I’m waiting for Suga’s direct statement on the matter.

[@hiraaa5513]

Direct statement? He had no idea of this. What do you want him to do? Write you an apology letter?

[@jjeojkl]

@@hiraaa5513 um you always brag about how they self produce he was FULLY aware of what he used.

[@snowyung9516]

Hiraaa 55 exactly that.

[@pujabaraili5453]

@@jjeojkl stay mad lol😂😂

[@ocean802]

this whole thing was sad. the amount of army’s that came out as anti black during all of this was crazy. black people are allowed to be angry at what yoongi did. yes other artist have used it and from what i know black army’s don’t support these artists or care or use their money for these artists so that why black army’s were more on yoongi because they trust and spend money on yoongi. you guys bringing up receipts of jim jones being anti korea isnt exactly accurate. he was more pro north korean that anti south korean. no matter what receipts you put out black people especially black army’s can be angry at this and you telling them that they are fake fans for holding yoongi accountable is anti black as you are disregarding the feelings of black people and speaking over them. yoongi is a grown man and everything in this video was accurate. yoongi wasn’t dissing jims jones he was flexing his money and wealth and the part about him not knowing doesn’t make sense to me. yoongi isn’t fluent in english so why would he allow the producers of his song to put something in his song and not ask what is this and what does this message mean. my point is allow people to be angry especially black people. stop making up excuses for yoongi he is a grown man and should be accountable for his actions. stop babying bts. stop blaming everyone else for what yoongi did and stop lying. no this is not a diss i’m just tired of how army’s treat black army’s and it needs to stop. i as a black person will still continue to support bts and all members however, i won’t accept this apology from bighit please understand that

[@morganeh2153]

I'm concerned you think it's ok to be angry over that instead of saying it's ok to question it.... No they should not have been angry or dissapointed before they had the full story. If you get angry you will only get anger thrown back at you and that gets ugly. instead of anger and hate it should have been polite questioning. On both sides it got ugly and bad and absolutely not ok.

[@LynnHermione]

No they arent. Yoongi as a Korean has a right to use a speech from a known North Korean supporter, even more when HIS OWN CITY HAS A CULT PROBLEM. Your american feelings do not matter more than a Korean's opinions.

[@zeldawolff358]

I agree with most of what you said. However, Yoongi most likely TRUSTED El Capitxn and Ghstloop to not use something controversial. He most likely assumed that whatever was happening in the beginning of the song, was already reviewed after the other two produced the audio file he was given. According to Soundcloud credits Yoongi only wrote the song, and probably composed the melody (as in the actual musical notes progression). There's a difference between composing and producing after all.

[@myewzek2913]

Pro North Korean is anti South Korean. North korea wants to take over South Korea, that’s clearly anti South Korea. And most South Koreans want a united korea, they want their brothers and sisters up north to join them. Every South Korean I’ve met or have heard talk about north korea believes that North Koreans and South Koreans are just Koreans. Like west and east Germany in ww2. They want the NK regime to end so their people can be free. So being a supporter of the NK regime means being against South Korea and all Koreans. At least in the average South Korean perspective. So he clearly has a reason to sample Jim Jones. I’m just upset because they said it was a mistake, literally no meaning behind the sampling. How can you be that successful and accidentally use a Jim Jones sample? Without any reasoning at all? Insane.

[@krissve]

No they don't. They should've done research. Jim Jones was actively hurting South Koreans as well and he had the right to use the speech to make a point in his song. Why none of the other artist that used the sample were attacked? Ahh because they are not Korean? So you're right, is a race thing, people fighting against racism pretty much showed their racism 🙄

[@isonmohed5179]

20:45 OMG MY FAVORITE PART OF THE WHOLE VIDEO I JUST LOVE DANNY😂😂😂😂and David’s reaction tho

[@purplezay8783]

The 'Jim Jones being anti-korean' made sense to me however i have a big problem with non-black armys using this to talk over black armys and making them feel like their hurt isn't valid. Also ...if its been sure that it was used purely for aesthetic then idk that's actually disgusting. I really hope yoongi can clear this up if there was a different meaning behind it.

[@geekgirl2724]

Exactly, I am sick of some armies not not holding BTS accountable for their mistakes, it is hard to being a black Kpop fan and a black army.

[@softepilogues7020]

I think they said that it was done for "aesthetic" but without knowing the meaning of it.

[@canuckpagali]

It's conceivable that it could have had meaning behind it -- but it seems that it didn't. Big Hit has apologized and removed the sample.

[@cypheremily4154]

I thought that the sample was there because yoongi was mocking what Jim Jones was saying

[@newbiechu7024]

Why is Big Hit apologising? Wasn't Suga accountable since he is the producer of the song? Why are they deflecting the blame on a non existent culprit. The clowenry is real. And all the delulu armys are not helping the situation.

[@eeshdeepkaur3666]

I completely agree with Danny about the jim jones thing. I found it strange that they sampled a speech and no one in the company decided to look into it like what is it about, who is saying it etc. The producer just randomly came across it and used it? If the person who put the sermon searched for it then how come he/she did not know about it's context? Because I don't think many people know about Jim Jones. Irresponsibility on their part. But I'm glad they issued an apology and edited that part out because some people were saying how the lyrics are dissing him as he was anti-south korean (which I searched but didn't find anything like that) but there was no correlation to it. The lyrics speak about his goals of a Grammy and other stuff and there is no mention of dissing him. As an army, I was disappointed to see that other armys were mad angry about the apology and still believed he was dissing him when in the statement it clearly states that they themselves didn't know about the historical relation of the sample. Imo an explanation was needed and I'm glad it cleared the air. I'm not disappointed in them (bighit and yoongi) because they are humans and mistakes do happen. It was an ignorant mistake but that is how people learn. They can't always be perfect and things like these are what teaches them and it's never a bad thing to learn. This will actually do them good in future because they will be more careful. And now the case is closed so people should quit arguing about it and enjoy the festa. After all its their 7th anniversary and that's what people should look forward to now

[@mavis...]

Im gonna be honest here. When i first heard the song i did think the begining part sounded like some sort of in passion speech. But it was so dissorted i thought the sample was from germany or something😅 it was so dissorted for me i could not jndedstand. I understand the outrage though but because bts and big hit have been very honest, open , and suprise me at every turn as someone who belives in the corrupt nature of companies, i believe it was a mistake. And haters, yes yoongi can make mistakes, he is human. So is everyone else in this company to my knowledge Edit: but i do agree with danny wtf how did you not google this?

[@kathleentrebond2929]

I completely agree on every single point you made.

[@3yx88]

i think yoongi definitely knew what he was doing because he’s not dumb with his music and i do think he was shading jim jones and basically saying oop nvm i just saw the apology that bh made and i’m lowkey disappointed

[@ireenzee1882]

True!

[@micklake5985]

blessings! as a black person i thank you so much for trying to spread awareness and help in the way u guys can... trust me when i say these things r not small, they speak volumes! i hope all our communities will stand up for each other and support each other in the fight to end discrimination, hate and racial violence.......great content...i enjoyed watching it all. keep em coming. u got a new sub!

[@jjoojjoo20296]

I'm an Army and I love BTS so much but seeing how Armys reacted to this sampling controversy made me realize that some Armys love to BTS has reached a level where they have to be stopped. They're bashing Big Hit for releasing an apology because hater will now think Suga did make a mistake and and he should never say so. Like, BTS are humans too. What's the big deal about saying sorry?? BTS and Big Hit as well have no trouble saying sorry and their apology absolutely relived offended people. So I don't understand that mentality of worshiping BTS that some Armys have. I feel like if BTS went out and killed random people in the streets (which they will NEVER do), some Armys will give 100 excuses for that and might even say that the victims lives don't matter. I it's great to be a Kpop fan, but worshiping the idol and not admitting even the small flaws in their work that won't even damage their career is an absolute stupidity