Speed Benchmarks in Gen 3 OU - Competitive Pokemon

[@jimothycool]

I realize I didn't include the true slowest Pokemon, Snorlax Not usually a Benchmark that you think about cause just about everything in the game already outspeeds it Snorlax is 96 Speed without investment, and commonly runs 99 Speed if it has Body Slam, to outrun a paralyzed Aerodactyl The only relevant example of something that could try and outrun it is the rare Dusclops, who with 56 Speed EVs hits 100 Speed. Could be useful to Will-O-Wisp first and tank a Shadow Ball, or even Imprison to prevent Snorlax from using Shadow Ball

[@angelofzera7398]

1:13-1:22 On your next laddering video, that 181 Speed Dragonite is going to tear you to shreds Enjoyed the speed as the nicknames and viable users aside it~ Good Stuff Good Stuff.

[@chukadoo1871]

honestly a prime video topic for each gen&format. a discussion on common speeds can go a long way towards understanding the tier and the matchups within

[@deeznoots6241]

Starmie is so fast that few people have discovered that the actual best stat spread+nature is bold with max physical defense+hp

[@BeazerProductions]

Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?

[@Sanninsuplex]

I watched this wen it came out, and still reference it every once in a while building (like rn) thanks again. The rise of ADV has been truly insane and I hope we have many more years to come

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

I don't even play comp but I like watching people talk about it. I knew about the existence of speed tiers but I didn't realize how many there were and how much more variety there is than "this mon has base 85 speed so this set will outrun all base 85s" and this video served as a good showcase for that.

[@olliert4840]

One thing I recommend for slightly more advanced players is make your own speed tier excel sheet or similar to how you like it. For example I don't like any tiers with pokemon who don't have either 0 or 252 evs - I think you pointed it out perfectly at the start, what the hell is a -speed 24 ev dragonite doing up there, among other examples. The answer of course is to creep something that's using either 0 or 252 evs - but that's the whole point of a speed tier list. I'd rather see the range of speeds a pokemon could have and then look at what it might try to creep and go based off that, and in general creeping stuff with 252 evs is better since then you can rely on it. I still include neutral and positive natures ofc and even 30 ivs sometimes to remind myself, but yeah that's how I like it, it's less cluttered that way. And I have a excel sheet for most metagames I play.

[@olliert4840]

There's also extra pokemon that don't get included due to metagame shifts, or pokemon that never get used on the outdated smogon lists.

[@usernametaken017]

I feel that the only exception for this should be geng due to his wacky ev spread

[@The_Juggla]

If you can baton pass an agility to anything with 198 speed, you out speed Aerodactyl and Jolteon. Not sure if that’s relevant, but it’s a neat way to make slow Pokemon work.

[@cyburger7257]

Amazing video, really good podcast content

[@laythalsibai9848]

Jimothy cool making me a gen 3 player by the days😮‍💨

[@hinorashihinorashi]

Around the NetBattle era, it was pretty common to go Quiet for mixed attackers which didn't want to give up much defensively like Tyraniboah. The Dragonite in question was a mixed sub puncher. I'd imagine it was going for 180/181 to outrun the standard Skarmories at the time which didn't invest in much speed unless if they were taunting ( usually ~200 ) and the occasional odd speedy Weezing. The Dragonite had 174 atk/252 spA/56 spD/24 spd with a quiet nature and it could run a lot of things Sub/Punch, HP flying or grass, boltbeam, flamethrower. Not very common, so it's weird to see.

[@BackwardsHat]

Thanks for the jimformation

[@chess_fella]

A classic video.

[@kiracite]

Such an awesome video for a newbie like myself.

[@mitchellwilliam95]

Thanks, prof. This is a perfect video for someone like me.

[@Coolcat2710]

Been playing tons of gen 3 ou recently been loving your videos

[@jimothycool]

thanks Bobby!

[@analoghabits9217]

34:40 16 HP / 60 SpD Aero also gets that 18.8% & lives non-CB Machamp Slide while making Claydol's Explosion & Skarm's HP Steel less fatal

[@TheSkinnyShef]

i love you for this, Im too stupid to read all that

[@PKSkyler]

ty for this. any chancr make more gen 3 vids like this? the 40+ min ones on your main channel really help.

[@dragonhunter2001]

Thanks!

[@whydoiexist2180]

you can if someone plays BW or ADV because if you mention 364 you'll get tears as they get outspeed by alakazam, dugtrio, or aerodactyl

[@nicklagoni7306]

Lumby music and gen 3... is this childhood?

[@Munby1]

329 doesn't exist like 373

[@jimothycool]

What!

[@analoghabits9217]

imagine if there were speed rolls, you're Speed each turn is randomly multiplied by an integer from 85% to 100% like damage is

[@Elijah-hz9ls]

I kinda like that actually. Very much in fact. Again, that means that how you calculate your Mons' Speed stat STILL matters, just that the breathing room should now always be kept aware of since a roll in your opponents favour might be the deciding factor to winning a game. Wow! Pokémon is just the right balanced mix between randomness and options to combat that RNG to ALMOST (but never fully) 100%. Your 85-100% Speed roll idea... I really like it, it perfectly incapsulates the nature of competetive Pokémon. Let GameFreak steal it.

[@Elijah-hz9ls]

Bro??? Will you please tell me why I like this idea so much wth??

[@kuribro443]

Electro: Pathetic

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

27th

[@ricardobernal6703]

first xD

[@jimothycool]

well done.