Jiu-jitsu Scientific Paper Review

[@iFlarsky]

Could you guys maybe do some videos on strength markers for different sports? For example, as a distance runner I am curious how far I should take my squat, or my single leg squat. Thanks in advance!

[@happygingertime]

This would be huge

[@srthyrdyjhy]

I second this.

[@adamrutherford6804]

Thanks gents, doing a dissertation on S&C for BJJ and this is awesome

[@danedavidson]

I'm half asleep and I went to the abstract and read the bodyweight as 85.7 ± 10.6 kg and the bench press as (113.2 ± 20.4 kg) and I thought yeah that's reasonable then I realised that was the squat...

[@louisbutler1584]

Lot of BJJ guys don’t really do any ACTUAL STRENGTH training for their legs such as squats etc. Look at Nicky Rod for example, built like a bull, strong as an ox, skinny legs in comparison (no hate he’d maul me)

[@zachariahtaylor7811]

Has there been a paper review of active Judo competitors? Really curious on the differences between to similar cloth cut sports to have different approaches to success.

[@xaverdamien3986]

I would love to see more judo content too

[@joewwright92]

With judo being a more established sport (particularly due to its inclusion in the olympics), a lot of countries will have national training centres with dedicated S&C staff. If you go to most countries in Asia or Europe, universities will have judo teams and the athletes will work with the sports science departments similar to how university rugby teams in ireland and the uk do. Promising youngsters will get put into a talent development program where all their S&C is done for them etc. So if you are a high level judo competitor you will be part of some system that gives you access to very good S&C coaching, which is not yet the case with BJJ (I know some large BJJ teams will have their own S&C coaches, but in general its rarer still I think). If you just compared a local judo club and local BJJ club I doubt you would find that much difference in the level of S&C work.

[@MisterHui]

Non-ranked, perhaps no-gi/submission wrestling?

[@kevinboueri1051]

I do kickboxing, at 77kg bw I squat around 120kg for a 3x3 below parallel and deadlift 160kg for a 3x3. I know its individualized but can you talk about general standards for different bw and sports?

[@lukeharvey8809]

2x bodyweight backsquat, 2.5x bodyweight deadlift and 1.5x bodyweight bench. That's what they've mentioned would be a good general standard for any athlete, but especially physical sports. I also do muay thai, and it made a huge difference getting my strength up. I feel like at the 5+ year mark, you're often limited more so by general athleticism than understanding of your sport.

[@4zazel777]

Yes! A paper review!

[@happygingertime]

All hail the glorious Sikastan

[@andrew98115wl]

Ameridote FTW! 👊🏻

[@xaverdamien3986]

You said doing 4 sets of each major exercise is enoug. Does that mean doing literally only 4 sets in a week with a frequency of 1x per week per movement pattern or 2x week 2 sets or 2x week 4 sets. I would say that doing 4 sets in a week even if they are very hard sets would be very little especially if that's means doing it only 1x per week.

[@iFlarsky]

2 times a week would probably maintain strength stimulus better, but I am curious too! Maybe once a week is enough for maintenance

[@xaverdamien3986]

@@iFlarsky I mean in general I know that 2x per week is probably better either way but in the video it wasn't explicitly stated and it could be heard as doing 4 sets once a week which would imo not be ideal even for a none strength athlete. But thanks either way

[@moistmayonese1205]

@@xaverdamien3986 It depends what the major exercises are. If they are squat, deadlift, bench and an upper body pull then it is 16 sets a week. That’s probably 2 sessions per week. Sounds appropriate for comp season in non-strength sports.

[@xaverdamien3986]

@@moistmayonese1205 that can't be the reason. I can only imagine that they meant the typical bjj practitioner who wouldn't have a particular season where he has to be primed for bjj. Of course leading up to the competition he would taper of the last 1-3 weeks with even a peaking block possible. Gor building strength 16 sets is a rather small number of total sets for all movement patterns combined even if bjj is a heavy focus.

[@idk2289]

Should i start doing speed work like speed squats if i havent built a strong squat yet i only have 1.5x bw squat atm what do you think

[@shannonheathcliffmul]

15:30

[@paulleclaire8252]

Nice

[@deanpaulson6714]

I have seen a world super heavy weight(140 kg ) Judo medalist unable to jog 400 m for a cooper fit test mile Vo2 test ! Literally unable to keep jogging, also could only do 3 pull ups ! It's not uncommon in grappling plus 200 lbs athletes to have mediocre base strength levels !

[@Yupppi]

Are you saying 3 pullups at 140 kg is mediocre strength?

[@hunglongdee2587]

It's ok, BJJ was made for nerds like me =)

[@coldworld5]

Genuinely not trying to comment bomb on your videos with negativity but as someone who’s been grappling for nearly 15 years these videos while correct in some ways are way off and quite annoying in other ways. So while “numbers” for BJJ guys may not be that far off people walking in off the street. The actual reality of a person walking in off the street and a purple belt is a million miles apart in term of cardio and strength for BJJ, the static strength alone would be a world apart and the cardio for BJJ, well, we all know how quickly new guys has out. Also, you guys are traditional S+C coaches who are trying to add the same metrics to BJJ as sports that have extremely linear progress. You don’t add numbers to BJJ you don’t take seconds off, it’s closer to skateboarding than sprinting. It’s a creative process, the sport doesn’t progress via Squatting it progresses via problem solving and creativity. Do a lot of BJJ guys juice, yes, do a lot of club level BJJ guys who don’t juice still do well in competition. Yes they do. I don’t want to sound condescending but if you’re going to continue with BJJ as practitioners then you’ll progress faster by studying technique, concepts of movement and problem solving than just thinking if you’re stronger you’ll get that blue belt a month sooner. Much like, bouldering, skateboarding, breakdancing, boxing and many other sports they do, even if you disagree live outside of the normal realms of linear progress and traditional athletic metrics and that’s why it’s not always the most athletic practitioners that get the best results. It’s a martial art, and the art is just as important as the martial.

[@coldworld5]

*bmxing not boxing

[@sikastrength]

Bjj is still a sport, it's the entire problem with martial arts in a competitive environment. You have to train like an athlete to reach your potential. Acting like it's mystical is the most annoying thing about martial artists.

[@coldworld5]

@@sikastrength it’s not mythical it’s multi faceted. with all due respect you find it frustrating because you don’t understand the sport, you’re a two stripe white belt. what you think BJJ is today is not what you’re going to think it is in a years time, trust me in that, I’ve been through it. We all go through it. When you’re a sprinter of an Olympic lifter the technique is comparatively simple. And once that technique is in place then S+C takes over. BJJ is not linear, you could make the argument that instead of doing S+ C 3 times a week you’d be better off doing yoga, the improvements in flexibility would improve your guard retention more than deadlifting or doing hill sprits ever could. Your personal game, body type, mindset and even gym could completely dictate what areas you’d be better off training. Carlson Gracie London don’t train the same as 10’th planet London, their styles of BJJ are completely different so their training techniques are going to differ. I’m not being facetious, I’m speaking from experience and the way you need to look at this is, imagine someone who’d been studying S+C for a year in a really basic way started telling you exactly what it is and how you’re doing it all wrong, that’s what you’re doing. You think because you have an understanding of one aspect of the sport then that is the sport. Anyway. I’m not going to keep wasting your time with a message you’re not receptive to, I do genuinely enjoy your content and I’d never be as bold as to try and argue the toss on any other sports or aspects of training as In comparison I know very little about them. Keep up the good work and good luck on your BJJ journey. 👍

[@coldworld5]

Just to add one more thing. I’m in no way shape or form against S+C. I just feel that standard measurements of athletic performance and standardised training doesn’t translate over to BJJ the way it does to more traditional sports.