The MOST HATED Fighting Game Mechanics.

[@alanfournumbers]

7:27 he was so dedicated to the video that while talking about tripping in Smash Brawl, he himself had a trip. Truly inspirational

[@mallow2902]

I think he was just waiting for a trip to actually happen when he completed the line lol

[@inkredibill6352]

Wow 228 people really liked this comment when he didn't even trip. Yikes.

[@novameowww]

@@inkredibill6352 he did though, the timestamp's just wrong

[@terribletimes902]

@@inkredibill6352It went way over your head. He had a flub and forgot to edit it out. That’s the “trip.” Your comment is yikes, and it’s too late to delete it 😂

[@VannTango]

Fun fact about the 'trip' state in Smash Bros.: Even though it functions like a knockdown, you can also be grabbed during it.

[@PomadaGaming]

Course,you can grab tripped opponents in the later games too

[@Altares_V]

@@PomadaGaming yeah certain characters in smash (looking at you iceys) get 0 to deaths or have their kills be based off a throw direction. It is especially bad because of how naturally fast grabs are that you trip near throwing distance to someone.

[@Nowel22222]

I mean, not just grabbed, you are just fully vulnerable to anything, as is how knockdowns work in smash. You get no invincibility on knockdowns in smash

[@Blueskiesnclear]

That's how smash knockdowns work, you don't gain any I frames until you use a wakeup option

[@VannTango]

@@Nowel22222 You can't be grabbed during a normal knockdown. That's what makes tripping different.

[@platinumconquest2365]

Vega's mechanic of permenately losing his claw in SFV. Vega losing his claw in the other games is controversial as is, but at least you can pick it back up in his other appearances. Losing half your moveset because you blocked one too many times for the rest of a round in the most rushdown heavy game in the series is a decision so baffling, even those who don't even play fighting games know it's a bad idea on it's face. I genuinely can't think of a justification for it. It's amazing it was never changed.

[@PomadaGaming]

Probably one of those things from the older games they didn’t bother to change for the sake of longevity

[@platinumconquest2365]

@@PomadaGaming Well that's the thing, he could pick it back up in the previous games. They did bother to change it, but for the worse.

[@joegillian314]

It often leads to imbalance whenever a character has some advantage (or disadvantage) in the form of a unique mechanic. Pet Shop in JoJo HFTF comes to mind, certainly.

[@Robert_D_Mercer]

I loved taking his mask off tho for that dmg increase xD

[@Robert_D_Mercer]

@@joegillian314 Im REALLY good at jojo asb R and I main dio, he's op but petshop in that game too is a projectile rushdown monster in that too lol; petshop is an annoying lil shit every game hes in lmao

[@matheusvasiliauskassoares4361]

I find it hilarious that as time went on within Brawl's scene, Fox gained relevance for the simple fact that he was the game's fastest walker and could move around safely without the risk of tripping

[@dew2759]

Marth was the fastest walker. Plus he was actually top tier

[@JJSquirtle]

Fox was actually picking up steam because the Japanese player base insisted he had an even metaknight mu and so more and more people tried him out. The walk speed helped tho

[@RequiemOfSolo]

I hate the mechanic where the opponent puts my health bar to 0. They should really patch that one. Except when I do it to my opponent, then it's a really good mechanic.

[@axinhedgelion8417]

So mechanics like soul calibur 4’s critical finish? Because when that’s done, it auto ends the fight. And the person it’s done to, loses all health

[@dakotadoll6534]

@@axinhedgelion8417 i think it was a joke.

[@P4R53C5]

Agree

[@glacierwolf2155]

Random tripping was also a reason why Meta Knight was so dominant. Meta Knight's superb aerial movement allowed him to not be subject to tripping as much as other characters, and his fast attacking options allowed him to punish his opponents and actually pull off combos in a game with hitstun cancelling (I may be using the wrong term here) present. It may be a small niche, but it is also a powerful tool at his disposal.

[@rompevuevitos222]

It is technically called hit lag but it is essentially the same thing, just in reverse

[@Guitar-Dog]

Is it endlag? I shower so I'm not sure either. Some smash terms are helpful, endlag is essentially whiff recovery frames

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@rompevuevitos222 nah, hitlag is the freeze frames applied to both characters immediately after an attack connects, and there's no canceling mechanic for that. hitstun is the period of time after hitlag, once the victim's actually been launched, in which they're no longer frozen but still cannot act ... except, in brawl, after like 25 frames of hitstun, you can just attack out of it like, you can be hit with an attack that _should_ leave you unable to act for a whole second, and you can attack out of it after 25 frames. hell, if that's too long, you can air dodge after 13! this is completely independent from the amount of hitstun you're stuck in, so ... unless you can actually combo into another move within 12 frames, you can't combo at all because your opponent can just mash air dodge and it's over oh, unless we're talking about chaingrabs. because hitstun canceling can only be done if the attack puts you into a tumbling animation. which is most attacks with enough hitstun to be able to hitstun cancel anyway ... but not grabs capable of chaingrabbing. which is just grab, up throw, grab before they land, up throw, grab, etc. etc. etc. and that's one of the primary sources of a combo game in brawl, so, uh, have fun with that info

[@tylerspeegle108]

If only "pros" had spent as much time learning to avoid tripping as they do abusing wavedash

[@chinesenoodles25]

@@tylerspeegle108 yeah, fuck tekken

[@Jake19774TW]

Love how JM hits em with the "ok children, get all your whining about how smash isn't a fighting game out of your system so the grown ups can talk"

[@Mayfriedman456]

One of the reasons Vergil's X-Factor lasted so long in particular was because of the amount of multi-hit moves he has especially when you start doing sword loops. This causes higher than average hit-stop during his combos and the timer doesn't go down during hit-stop. It wasn't uncommon for Vergil to pop factor and have it kill your first two characters and last long enough for him to get a mixup on the third that led to sword loop death. Vergil factor 3 was a menace, his only weakness was that with no air mobility he had to eat 1 single incoming mixup before he could pop X-factor and explode your whole team. You had to make that mixup count because even if he blocks it he gets to pop factor and play his game.

[@666blaziken]

Honorable mention goes to rage in smash 4. While the intent was to make a comeback factor for players behind in racking up percent, it ended up being too strong as it rewarded clutch play (which is really frustrating to lose to as it is) and it led to some combos killing at starting at 0 percent.

[@GenericGMR]

More on this, some jank related to rage single-handedly made some characters much harder to deal with. Samus got a 0-death true combo (dash attack -> up b), lucario had aura, which was essentially just another rage boost, rosalina could kill anyone off the top at ~20% with up-air, and much more. God, why did we play smash 4…

[@darkthunder301]

Yeah, rage was real nasty. Really miss perfect pivots tho, at least brought down the pressure by a good amount

[@gatorssbm]

I still think rage was a lot worse than tripping, hell it still exists just thankfully toned down

[@Salacavalini]

Late to the comment section, but I have to mention the Weather system in Touhou Hisouten ~ Scarlet Weather Rhapsody. As time in a round passes, random effects will apply to both players in intervals, ranging from effects like whoever landed a hit most recently having health regenerations, to really wild stuff like wind pushing players towards/away from each other based on their spacing (basically pushing you towards round start spacing from one another), or giving both players infinite hyperarmor for the duration of the current weather cycle. Well, I hated it, at least.

[@zeigman]

I think the biggest problem about tripping in SMBB was less the bad word of mouth from competitive players, but the fact this mechanic is incredibly annoying even for full casual gamers. Unlike all the other machanics mentioned here (which would go moslty unnoticed by most casual players), tripping is bad even on the most basic scenarios, pretty much anybody regardless of skill level will probably feel annoyed when it happens to them.

[@YoshiONE2ONE]

I think the fact that even casual players hated Tripping in Brawl is a testament to how terrible of a mechanic it was.

[@PomadaGaming]

I’m sayin

[@thescaletblur07]

casual players didn’t give a fuck though.

[@AlanJHPlata]

When I was a kid nor even today, either me nor my friends hated tripping. You're too busy having fun throwing items and breaking the game.

[@anthonyjackson2445]

A horror story in five words: Level Three X-Factor Dark Phoenix

[@bugcatcherharold5315]

Basically, randomness and comeback mechanics. There are some ways to do comeback mechanics well if you're very careful, but randomness is a hard no in all circumstances in fighting games, imo.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

Some randomness can be fine if it's not a massive game-changer and both players have time to react and plan on what to do. Like Faust's item toss. It's got some strong effects, but they usually take like 5 seconds to actually be active, and some items can be used against Faust as well.

[@Mene0]

Danger time is a very poorly thought-out way of trying to make hype moments happen

[@meethepie]

yeah but it's funny

[@gh0rochi363]

I think it's a way to force a person losing to start aggressive instead of turtle on the chance that danger time can help them come back. Just a thought I could be totally wrong, but gg xrd really punished turtling play styles

[@malefictoonmaster510]

7:39 to 7:52 I have so much respect for JM not only calling out the criticism but also just saying in his way "Yea yeah quit whining"

[@0rnami]

Random tripping was implemented at the last minute of Brawl's development out of utter contempt for competitive Smash. It was a very deliberate attempt to prevent players from playing Brawl like Melee. Dash dancing in Melee involved dashing back and forth rapidly in order to mix up your approaches, so if you did that in Brawl, you were far more likely to randomly trip.

[@SamWeltzin]

I think everyone's favorite mechanic in any fighting game is the limb-chopping and instant-death-head-chop in Time Killers. They should really bring that back, and there is no one on Earth or otherwise who could possibly disagree.

[@TheWordPlay]

I've met people that say they hate ring outs in 3D fighters like VF and SC, stating it's not fair to instantly lose a round regardless of HP. I personally don't mind ring outs and feel they add a layer of strategy to stage picks. Plus it leads to some funny clutch moments lol

[@VileLasagna]

As a SC player I really like the mechanic. Sure, it can feel cheap when you're winning and get tossed out but it does a lot of interesting things or the game. For one, similar to wall breaks in Tekken, it makes different stages play differently with some characters like, say, Nightmare, being fond of smaller stages with open borders because they just toss people around all the time. Conversely, someone like Talim or Amy, who benefits less, can then fight more freely when they're at lesser risk. In addition, it reinforces a lot of the 3D movement aspect. MOST times when you fall off, that's part of a longer chain of events where you got pushed into the border. It ALSO makes attacking in the border more dangerous, which balances a bit the power that stage edges always have in fighting games. So yeah, they're a great thing and the additional complexity on stages with multiple edge types (open, closed, low wall, breakable...) make matches way more interesting

[@costelinha1867]

A lot of people even went beyond just playing melee to avoid playing braw, some LITERALLY MODDED BRAWL TO BE MORE LIKE MELEE, such as in Project M.

[@judgegrumble]

I think tripping is to stop advanced movement techniques like dash dancing. Doesn't make it a good idea though.

[@personpersonson7958]

That isn't advanced even. That's literally just mashing the stick back and forth. That is of course the purpose like you said. Brawl wanted to stifle competition, and making movement impossible really helps to slow things down. And makes it un fun to play.

[@judgegrumble]

@@personpersonson7958 I'm not super knowledgeable about competitive Smash but I thought dash dancing was one of those techniques that is easy to perform but difficult to know when to perform it like a throw shimmy in Street Fighter. It must be difficult for new players to deal with too.

[@personpersonson7958]

@@judgegrumble Kinda of yeah. Basically it's just like walking back in forth in the mid range in STF. It's supposed to bait attacks by moving in and out of range. So easy to know when to do, easy to do, but it is really hard to be just in, and out of range safely. So you pretty much got it.

[@Guitar-Dog]

Imagine if they made your character fall in Tekken when you movement cancelled. Just remove the dash dancing if you don't want it

[@ZeroKitsune]

Yeah that's the purpose. But because they made it a 1% chance every time you dash for any reason, including just to...run somewhere...it crops up all the time even for people who don't know what dash dancing is. I was always a super casual player so it never ruined the game for me, I had a lot of fun with Brawl, but I never LIKED that aspect of it. It might have even had something to do with why I gravitated towards a playstyle where I jumped around and used aerials all the time, who knows. If they really wanted to curb dash dancing they should have made it only trigger when you turned around mid-dash, or just removed dash dancing by adding a delay to turning around and cut out the random BS.

[@aqgpandemic5406]

Ok but I kinda love Danger time, I think it’s actually really fun and chaotic. Tbh at being said I’m also an insane person

[@mr.bootyass]

Same energy 😈

[@andyblanton6570]

I think it would have been better if it was every 3rd time 2 attacks clash.

[@Robeebert]

I think Danger Time is both "hype" and "lit," mi familia.

[@JerryLeeHowell2]

​@@andyblanton6570 Man, that's a fantastic idea. Builds hype like crazy when that second clash happens, but takes out the random element that upsets people. Damn, that's a good one dude!

[@gamelord12]

I think you nailed the most important ones. I actually like MK11's krushing blows, but I like when I have more agency in deciding when they happen, which is why I play Jax. A good number of his krushing blows are determined by how much heat he's built up in his arms, which you're constantly building and spending, so you can just decide to unleash a big damage combo with a krushing blow when you're ready to spend it. I wish more of the cast worked that way, honestly. I think I might put KOF's general design philosophy for motion inputs on the list, but that's not so much a bad mechanic as it is taking an existing mechanic from the rest of the genre and making it needlessly worse.

[@kevingriffith6011]

The problem with Krushing Blows really is just that they're character biased. There are some really fun krushing blows out there that add interesting secondary objectives to the game to strategize around... and then there are the ones that just happen basically for free, or the ones that will *never* happen if both players are playing seriously. Not to mention the reward for doing them is wildly inconsistent from character to character.

[@Lianh16]

You can change a setting in character screen that allows you to choose when to get the krushing blow by pressing a button (I think it's L2 on ps4) while also meeting the krushing blow conditions. So let's say you get an uppercut punishing a high or overhead. If you have the configurarion ON, and didn't press the extra button, the uppercut doesn't trigger the krushing blow

[@gamelord12]

@@Lianh16 No, I'm aware, but with Jax, most of them don't require a counter-hit or whatever.

[@Afr0Thund3r]

Krushing blows are dumb, fuck up a throw tech and suddenly your opponent's next throw does 30%. Spam back 3 as Kano when their life is low for that easy counter hit KB with a button that's -4 on block. Stupid shit lmao

[@smoothsavage2870]

You can have agency over KBs by turning on the Release Blows Held Check setting. When that's turned on, you have to hold the button (or last button in a combo) to make the KBs come out.

[@jabronijim5874]

Please do some more hated mechanics. This was a fun video

[@AdamJorgensen]

I found Danger Time kinda fun in the recent Xrd rollback beta. It was a great excuse to go ham. That said, I'm terrible at Xrd so my opinion may not be everyones 🙂

[@AshtonDragon]

One of my favorite things about tripping is that it would also happen sometimes when you just want to do a forward smash. I don't remember if you could get around that by using the C-stick, but regardless, it was pretty brutal to trip when you weren't even trying to dash.

[@krausercruz2780]

From personal experience it seemed to affect C smash as well. I would switch between stick smash and C-stick in a fight constantly so I'm not 100% sure.

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

It's probably due to the fact that doing control stick + A does technically count as a dash for a couple of frames.

[@maxv658]

Vega losing his claw(at all, but permanently like in SFV is just insane and obviously even worse) and tripping in Brawl are my two most hated ones for sure. Both just make no sense and are detrimental enough to ruin friendlies and casual play as well. They suck for everyone. Not just competitive players.

[@devinlee4345]

X factor was one of the first mechanics I was made aware of when I was first getting into fighting games..The small stomach drop I still get when I see it get popped and I never even played the game gives credit the craziness of that mechanic. I don't think we'll see something like X factor in competitive fighting games again.

[@Ilyak1986]

What happened to your own X-factor?

[@terence7009]

random tripping did get me into the world of modding wiis though. we went from just trying to turn off tripping to doing all sorts of crazy stuff.

[@jimson172]

Left in an extra take in the brawl section 7:40

[@milo4885]

Was not expecting to see brawl's tripping but yes it is bizarre. Especially compared to the other mechanics on the list it just seems so weird and annoying

[@joegillian314]

Pretty much anything that involves randomness is hated universally.

[@PomadaGaming]

Hero Menu is pretty awesome. Probably one of those rare times where that type of mechanic is really fun

[@TheCJRhodes]

This is Faust fandom erasure.

[@Kaz999998]

@@PomadaGaming Using Hero's menu and choosing the first thing you see to K.O an opponent (like Kaboom, Snooze, Flame Slash, Thwack, etc.) is one of the most satisfying things ever, but I'm sure for the other person is probably the most titlting thing ever.

[@PomadaGaming]

@@Kaz999998 welp,you can always have a mirror👀

[@rompevuevitos222]

@@PomadaGaming hero's menu was widely hated so idk what you mean

[@leleuuu1710]

The fact that Daisuke Dimension aka Danger time is one of, if not my favorite instance of randomness in any fighti... ANY GAME period, may can make me look like a casual, but despite me loving serious and competitive play in many games I play, I can't help but love these moments that totally breaks the mold of the battle suddendly and now you have a countdown to 3 to think ur next move otherwise ur defenseless ass will get punished so hard that a good player can easily take 70-100% of ur life, but both you and the enemy are usually in equal footing, the only advantage being how fast you and the enemy can react and act to capitalize on it, also know as SKILL, so even the randomness requires skill to be used.

[@joshuaherrera358]

Tripping was put in place to stop "dash-dancing" which is simply a way of running in and out of range and threating space without committing. It was something that fast characters could abuse against the rest of the cast especially in larger stages or while the opponent was in a corner.

[@YiddishDancingClown]

We understand its purpose, it's still one of the objectively worst choices in video game design history. They already slowed the game down to about 1/10 of Melee's speed, we don't need an extra dick in the eye via tripping.

[@joshuaherrera358]

@@YiddishDancingClown hey, i'm not arguing with that fam, just informing. Although I will take this opportunity to also say I hated SC6 reversal edge and supers if for nothing else but slowing the game down since they can't be skipped.

[@terence7009]

true but they already pretty much had dash dancing killed because of the awkward turning. it was just doubling up on nonsense.

[@Altares_V]

@@joshuaherrera358 I would like RE in SC6 less if it had a unique purpose. But cheesing meter gain and having only some characters acquire different options out of RE is criminal. They took a relatively cool looking mechanic and basically made it controversial for the sake of being that.

[@KazeShikamaru]

Pretty much the era of come back factors where game developers thought they needed to make come backs more hopeful to help bad players out. It got to a point almost every game was doing it. I am happy it os dying out now or game developers learning there are ways to use an X Factor like mechanic without making it stupid.

[@battlericky17]

I genuinely loved brawl but the tripping was weird. I notice you can purposely trip if you run and attack at the exact same time as well, in addition to it being random

[@-Mourning-Star-]

I think my most hated mechanic in any fighting game is the Reversal Edge in SoulCalibur 6. Arguably the most frustrating thing to deal with as it counters almost any most and can counter strings of attacks and it is super easy to perform and spam. Completely breaking the flow of combat with an end result like Rock-Paper-Scissors...

[@christianlamoureux981]

As a dbfz guy I was surprised snap/fuzzies didn't make it. Fixed timing incoming on character deathin mvc3 was also so hated both mvci and dbfz made big press about getting rid of them.

[@PomadaGaming]

Well probably cuz they did end up taking it out. Were it still in the game tho fs

[@VanfernalRS]

Apart from very specific mechanics like Faust's items, I think any RNG factor should stay away from fighting games. It takes control away from the players and creates random situations that might feel unfair.

[@johan662]

As a marvel player I don’t really hate X factor that much. The argument for it is that it gives bad characters a chance. TAC is hated but when you are going to die in one hit anyway it’s whatever. The mechanics from fighting games that I don’t like are Delay Stand and superjump float in Dragonball. Just superjump in general is kinda busted. GO1 jump is fine and I don’t mind SJ float for applications in mixups. But I hate it in neutral. It slows the game down a lot and is one of the reasons why I don’t like neutral in Dragonball. Superdash can also be annoying sometimes. Everyone has heard of the complaints of superdash crossing up and just having a lot of situations in neutral become a guessing game of where you think the opponent is going to end up. Others don’t like limit break but I didn’t mind that mechanic tbh. I absolutely hate moon drive and how shield works in Lumina. I believe they changed it a little but at launch that shit was ridiculous. I don’t like pause buttons in neutral. I am not a fan of the B + C shield counter and the one that teleports behind the opponent. Side note: a lot of the people that say they hate X Factor don’t play the game. Most of the players accept that it’s a good mechanic and just get better at the game l. Some players even love it

[@018FLP]

I noticed just now that Sol's weapon in Xrd is just a giant lighter 🤣

[@Ilyak1986]

Always has been.

[@jbulletc]

How bout Super dash from DBF?

[@EdwardStumpp_Music]

Reversal Edge from Soulcalibur 6 should have been included; but I think that it has been talked about enough before... Still, it's the worst lol

[@ryozaki96]

7:21 you said that twice. you said that twice.

[@Ramsey276one]

Thumbnail: DAIGO DIMENSION! “Witness my vision AND DESPAIR!” XD

[@Ramsey276one]

1:24

[@ssjgalexistheshibaeevee7662]

I saw Phoenix on the screen and immediately knew what jm was gonna talk about, ESPECIALLY with max level super and x factor unused. Now all you have is your prayer to hope that you live against dark Phoenix

[@0110101100]

interesting that brought up krushing blows and not fatal blow or breakaway which seem too be more hated in mk11 too me.

[@PomadaGaming]

Breakaway fs that shit is awfully designed and it’s not even cool either

[@myniko]

Honestly, danger time is very fun. Instead of limiting you, it increases your options at random for both people

[@icekiller1594]

Danger time is awesome lol, creates an oh shit moment and usually leads to a scramble

[@liamfoote7164]

I think x factor is a good mechanic actually. It has a lot of different applications and is very potent but is a limited resource both players get access to. There's a lot of interesting decisions you make with it and ways to play around it. It also i think is good to have a comeback mechanic in a team game otherwise the game can become very snowbally, since you arent just taking damage but losing a character and therefore losing options and assists. You arent just down on life like in 1v1 games but also are weaker if you get hit first.

[@zandergraffunder2740]

There actually is random tripping in smash ultimate a lot of characters have a chance for their down tilt or another move to trip so some combos only work when they get it

[@bakonman6611]

The first person to type "first" has accepted their clown privileges

[@glacierwolf2155]

They take the role of a silly clown.

[@halo3boy1]

jokes on you. I'm into that

[@no_nameyouknow]

And that makes you a double clown, you clown.

[@bakonman6611]

@@glacierwolf2155 But they won't turn their back on life

[@anyany2021]

It seems the FGC just hates anything new or different and it's a shame. Danger time is a very cool mechanic, it gives both characters a boost in resources, speed and only lasts for 10 seconds, it makes the game tense and now your decision making needs to be spot on for the next 10 seconds AND it doesn't even happen that often. The FGC is just getting lazier and dumber it seems. Such is the path of humanity, the path of least resistance.

[@Callie_with_a_bible]

I know, like they complain about Street Fighter 5 Ultras being "Too long" and "Too Cinamatic". Instead of seeing it as something that looks cool and feels good to hit. And then they call Smash Players pedos for....some reason? [Look in the comments section]. Yeah to me they seem like a very toxic community with some good people here and there

[@Fonzzz002]

Dragon Rush from DBZ Budokai 3 is the first mechanic that comes to mind. It's a mid-game minigame that could take between 7 seconds to 25 seconds. Ruins the solid pacing and is very annoying to see frequently.

[@Slip-]

In brawl you can also trip when inputting a forward smash

[@dubblebrick]

The exact chance of a trip in SSBB is 1% when you start dashing, and 1.25% when you turn around.

[@MrCactuar13]

My personal most hated is Active Flow in BBCP. Games become so lopsided to whoever gets the first blow and only gets worse in tandem with Overdrive.

[@ItsColdspace]

X Factor is awesome. It's what literally makes the game so hype to watch.

[@TheCJRhodes]

You're right, but it's one of many things. No one's gonna remember the countless Vergil lvl3 comebacks, or Zero lvl1 Perfect games, but everyone will remember JWong's lvl3 Akuma comebacks, Strider lvl3 absolute mayhem, or Jill's lvl3.... uhh, wtf is actually going on on the screen?

[@rompevuevitos222]

Watch, playing is a different story

[@innocentorphan1213]

Anytime anything "random" is involved, it's guaranteed an awful idea.

[@likky1]

I think i hate breakaway more than krushing blows both using and receiving cause there is no proper counter play to it and activating it by accident is too common for my taste

[@junkmail2223]

If we're talking about random bullshit smash bros mechanics, untechable spin in smash 4 definitely deserves a mention. Basically, if you got hit above a certain percent threshold, there was a 25% chance you'd be put into a spin animation instead of the normal knockback animations, which locked you out of teching when your character was hit into a surface, which gave many characters free kills from stagespikes or missed-tech followups.

[@BiGGMiXX340]

Can add guard breaks in soul calibur. It just feels like a punishment if you go online and go up against a button spammer to be put in a danger state.

[@Ilyak1986]

IDK...I always found XFactor to be legitimate. Remember, in Street Fighter, if you're down 33% health to 100%, you still have all of your special moves. But in MVC3, if you're down two *characters*, you lose a huge chunk of your options. I.E. in a tag or team game, the comeback mechanic *must* be there to make up for the inherent disadvantage of being down not just health, but a character. And remember, the player on the receiving end of the comeback mechanic *also* has their own comeback mechanic. It isn't as though X-factor 3 gets weaker if your opponent only has one character remaining. So if your opp burned their XF3 first, well, you just need to reach a point that you can pop your own, and it's back to an even match. Just that some people would pop an XF1 to get rid of someone's point character (E.G. kill Morrigan in a Morrigan/Doom/Vergil team), then the XF3 Vergil would mop up. Well...what do you want there? That's not an XF issue, that's a decision issue.

[@BlackBeltGamers88]

Since I play fighting games casually, any games that have TOD's in them I don't touch. If there's a potential for me to go online, make 1 mistake and lose the entire match, just not worth my time.

[@catisreckless4647]

I don't remember which one, but I'm positive that during a major tournament, two players activated Danger Time... then immediately retreated into each corner until it was over. Pretty sure there was even some cheering in the crowd and at least one of the commentators was like "Yeah, fuck that Danger Time nonsense". So yeah, I'd say that it's a pretty divisive mechanic haha.

[@OverlordZero]

SFxT's Pandora mode. a "comeback" mechanic so awful no one in their right mind would use it

[@krausercruz2780]

Tripping is one of those mechanics that i just ask why. You wanted it to be less competitive? Weird but ok whatever, but tripping also affects casual. The amount of times me and my friends are having a real fun game, throwing bombs at each other, clashing laser swords or what have you and one of us trips just as the other is charging a Falcon Punch or a Bat swing is just annoying. It's not like when a capsule or box just happen to be explosive when you hit it, because you learn to just throw it or shoot it at a distance, or always keep an eye in case the item is a bomb. You just have a chance to trip and ruin whatever idea you had to fight your friends.

[@ajshiro3957]

hmmm... some people I know would say rage art because it's unfair and is a comeback mechanic, but there's so many risks to doing rage art. Jokingly says, the most hated mechanic is hitting the like button because you can't tell if you pressed it or not sometimes.

[@drew8235]

I wasn't even aware that there was any sort of discussion about whether or not Smash is a fighting game. Obviously it is lol.

[@g40rc378]

I forget the exact mechanic, but original Guilty Gear had a just-defend into fatal attack that could result in a game win, not just a round win. Yes, there was a way to defend against it, but it was still not a fun way to win or lose.

[@BlocKoopa]

Personally, I don’t think X-Factor is that bad. The fact that both players have it and it can only be done once means it’s not really unfair. Plus, this is a game where most characters have touch-to-death combos. Part of it could be that I’m bad at the game, but I appreciate it as a way to potentially get a comeback. I still think for the most part you have to earn the comeback even with X-Factor, considering your opponent has access to the same thing. Like you said, it’s the name of the game, and it’s a testament to how great the game is that one of the most powerful comeback mechanics in fighting games doesn’t make people hate the game.

[@DestroyNxbody]

7:22 Bro had too punch in 😂😂😂😂

[@Takumi_Yo]

X factor also heals, damage x factor deals over shadows the healing buff

[@bon.9296]

Should've included parry. Most people who got into fighting games after 2010 think it's the greatest thing ever and sf3 best game ever, but the game was widely despised by basically everyone both in Japan and the US, and it survived because of a dedicated scene that pretty much plays 3s and nothing else. With Moment 37 giving it a big assist in the FGC when it seemed like it was moribund, and after 09 Max honestly carried the game because he was part of those FFA/Denjin arcade players. Without him it probably wouldn't have gotten as popular as it is today. I think to this day a lot of players especially old school still don't like parries, and the newer ones who don't like it play something else, so it creates an echo chamber about how amazing the game is.

[@asanteperryman6638]

JM have you attempted the Brian_F Evil Ryu combo challenge yet?

[@jmcrofts]

Attempted? Oh yeah. Completed? Hell no

[@camtheman7654]

I love that we can hear his controller clicking as he runs back an forth in brawl.

[@MFIBCN]

X Fctor Lv3 was indeed strong, but for the lv3 you have to lose 2 characters, also the other player could x factor lv3 if they managed to get a chance to advance guard and pop up their own Lv3 X-Factor. I mean both players have the option to either spend their x factor early or wait for their anchor (which is often the best character players knows how to control) Tripping indeed was the reason why Melee survived, which is ironic, cuz if Nintendo wanted to make people stop playing melee, all what they had to do was offer melee hd with more characters xD, but no, they have to force randomness even on casual players. The first time I lost a sudden death game against a friend back then, we all 4 players laughed so hard, but after we loss to each other just cuz our characters decided to trippin' in 1 v 1 games, it got quickly super annoying... And as someone who LOVE the clash mechanic in older GG games, yeah, Danger Time was bullshit.

[@joshuapaul8580]

I remember back in the day I would read/hear a ton of negative criticism concerning X Factor, but I have to say, as a (mostly) observatory enjoyer of the game, I loved the mechanic. It was fascinating to see how the top players would find ways to abuse the mechanic, when they would opt to use it early as opposed to saving it for it's full busted potential, and the counterplay these players would utilize like snapback setups. There are a lot of reasons Marvel was favored as a premier spectator esport for such a long time, and I do feel like the crazy X Factor comebacks played at least a small part in that. Notably, the other two mechanics mentioned are both defined by a deference to random chance, which I think is the mark of truly frustrating, anti-competitive design.

[@paulakroy2635]

There a lot of top players who defend the mechanic. The thing people don’t get about umvc3 is that while x-factor 3 is extremely strong, so are x-factor 1 and 2 in helping snowball the game. It’s not a comeback but also a snowball mechanic.

[@joegillian314]

Tripping was implemented specifically to stop people from using dash dancing.

[@Guitar-Dog]

Remove dash dancing then

[@terribletimes902]

The absurd Rage boost comeback mechanic from Smash 4

[@jasonglebe3235]

I'm surprised block gauges weren't in the list. Being punished for defending well seems unfair to certain characters

[@Jack_Horner_is_a_hero]

Not really. A majority of people are ij favor of the block/guard gauge. If all an opponent is doing is blocking instead of actually fighting, they deserve to get blown up for it. Most characters have a unique reversal option like a DP or a parry and those who don't can rely on the game's universal defense mechanic. All characters have some sort of option for defense and if they choose not to use them they deserved to be punished for it.

[@Ilyak1986]

Block gauges are there to discourage turtling. Usually, there are other types of defensive options that don't build block gauge (E.G. faultless defense in Guilty Gear).

[@PepinoTheGreat]

How strange, I thought SF4's FADC mechanic was a most hated one. Great vid.

[@shishioh]

Also, X-Factor isn't equal among the characters. Some characters got little to no speed boost while in it, making it pretty trash for making a comeback for characters such as Hulk and Haggar.

[@mavado2073]

I swear every time I hear vergils judgment cut super I hear star platinum saying Ora over and over again

[@noBody-ue6cs]

I’ve seen a vid like this from AnimeIluminati, and I’ll say the same thing here I did there. I definitely hate dangertime, and That clash mode in SC6. I forgot the name of it, but it sends you into a rock aper scissors mode and finally, in one of the updates, they made it blockable. I hated how often this could be thrown out, it’s not a normal unblockable because it’s also a Larry and you would get sent into that Rock Paper Scissors game way more then I wanted to be.

[@BlackGeine]

How about Dissidia 012 chase mechanic

[@SpringdayAutumnmoon]

Legitimately, I would prefer Danger Time if it happened on every clash instead of being RNG based. At least then, you can plan around it. Restrict it to once per round to prevent it from being too damn crazy and you're good. Ridiculous mechanics that can turn the tide of battle for both players can be fun, but tying it to RNG is bullshit if you ask me.

[@MrTheMasterX]

I feel like you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone even casually playing Brawl who would say, "yeah, tripping is a good mechanic." It's not fun playing with items on and then getting a Smart Bomb in the face because you tried to turn around before jumping.

[@nuggetsschumaker4371]

the Tripping mechanic was made to avoid letting fast characters like Star Fox to dominate the professional plays. Little did they know it ruined the competitive for other characters, that's why a kid of 14 won a local tournment against the top tier Marth player.

[@jesuspernia8031]

You should have also talked about Breakaway from Mortal Kombat 11. Breaker was already perfect from the previous 2 games, now they changed it to some trashy move where you press 1 button and you get the chance to punish your opponent for landing a combo on you. Nah

[@Oh-Ben]

X-factor had to exist. MvC was built on top of TvC and comeback are all but impossible in TvC. Another note I think level 1 X factor shouldn't animation cancel.

[@jebbanana2309]

tvc has bursts you can combo off of tho

[@Oh-Ben]

@@jebbanana2309 the person winning normal has more bars to spend, this more burst meter.

[@jebbanana2309]

@@Oh-Ben you've got a point, but capcom clearly intended for bursts to be a comeback mechanic; i don't really see why they'd feel the need to create x-factor out of compensation for the lack of comeback factors in tvc

[@paulakroy2635]

@@jebbanana2309 because with tag game’s snowballing is really strong.

[@samfivedot]

Can't believe Smash is on this list. Everyone knows it's not a video game

[@Callie_with_a_bible]

WDYM Smash doesn't even exist , it's all in your head

[@RoyArkon]

MK11 Krushing blows are not hated at all. In fact it is one of the most popular mechanics in MK11, it is basically a very unique resource that you need to manage in matches. Do not get it twisted.

[@sushiidx]

KoF XII's Critical Counter system was one I disliked. Getting a counter-hit with a strong basic attack and going into a custom combo state was not my cup of tea. Max mode from KoF XIII on was more my taste.

[@firedaemon33]

Honestly, tripping single-handedly killed Brawl. The game was good enough that even it's other issues (Meta-Knight, general game speed slowdown from Melee) I think it would be remembered fondly. Except tripping was *universally* hated.

[@Venomousse]

Danger Time is definitely the flashier and more memed mechanic in Xrd, but talking to actual players I think YRC is a lot more hated. DT isn't nearly as ubiquitous or disruptive to the flow of the game.

[@nemoisnobody]

I do feel like Danger Time is a little over hated. Tripping, however, was hands down the worst idea ever implemented. Even casual players hated it.

[@ericjorgearnezinochea9679]

I hate the "no punish mechanic" on fightersz. On every game doing a combo has its risks and in most you can "counter block", but not in fightersz.

[@PomadaGaming]

Counter block? What like the thing in marvel and skullgirls to push back? You have guard tag cancel

[@ericjorgearnezinochea9679]

@@PomadaGaming Wich cuts your Regen health and leaves you open to attacks if the other guy is expecting it.

[@rickperriwinkle]

According to all my friends it's ring out, but I wouldn't know anything about that.

[@LieseFury]

i wouldn't call danger time "divisive" as i've literally never heard anyone say they like it