Joe Rogan talks to Moshe Kasher about cultural appropriation. Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #943.
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@swampthing24567 жыл бұрын
"It's not about logic" -Moshe Kasher Moshe Kasher is the kind of guy that hates yard work, but loves gardening.
@alinastefana41385 жыл бұрын
Perfect! In a nutshell.
@GorbyP3 жыл бұрын
You love yard work??
@szintezismuhely7 жыл бұрын
It's pure projection. "I'm hurting therefore fuck you". Everybody is hurting. The very assumption that you are hurting more than I do is already messed up and narcissistic. And even if you do, nothing follows from that whatsoever.
@GrantValdes7 жыл бұрын
This Moshe fellow hasn't sorted himself oat.
@pablochavez14976 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ look at that shirt....
@TheSlumlord845 жыл бұрын
EL A VIS PRES A LY
@dontaehamlett40117 жыл бұрын
Cultural appropriation is demonizing anothers culture and punishing a group of ppl for practicing their own culture, while at the same time partaking in or profiting from the very acts of expression that you have adopted from the oppressed, who are oppressed by you OR YOUR CLAN/TRIBE/NATION ETC...
@blgdoesthings41227 жыл бұрын
dontae hamlett when has this happened in 2017 or 16? it hasn't. and these special minorities need to stop complaining. half of the time its not even there culture, both the cultures just have the same skin color
@dontaehamlett40117 жыл бұрын
the only minority are white ppl. but what we are talking about is "colonialism"... this is when the real minorities of the planet go around the entire planet and steal and kill everything they see, rewriting true history, claiming things that aren't theirs, while brainwashing anyone remaining. Cultural appropriation is just a prettier way of describing whats been happening for ages, the whitewashing of the planet. But I know you're intelligent enough to know this. It's just funny to me though how many walk around as if they're oblivious to blatant facts lmao!!!! As if Joe Rogan doesn't know that he lives on land which he is not indigenous to. Common sense says that he and the rest of the caucasians on the landmass of the Americas and most of the land masses on the planet, are invaders/murders/thieves/liars. Surely no one is arguing that fact.
@takedown75627 жыл бұрын
"I'm not the greatest advocate for this position..." Drops Cultural Appropriation Rap with PC Peter Griffin....
@free_at_last81417 жыл бұрын
Should I be mad at a black guy for wearing jeans because they were invented by a white guy?
@joshtimaz7 жыл бұрын
When a black man is wearing a business suit instead of a bone through his nose it infuriates me
@mikeoutdoors47297 жыл бұрын
It's not the jeans that are the problem. But I do notice now everyone wears them baggier and a lot of white guys wear them lower like what was made popular in hip hop culture.
@ssalady7 жыл бұрын
Thats not a correct analogy. Try this; "should I be mad at a radical muslim for wearing jeans?" YEEESS! Because that person is denouncing the western world while also adopting its culture.
@danielwasacase53647 жыл бұрын
maybe take the stairs because a black man invented the elevator.... google who invented the elevator. The person who benefited from the sale of those jeans is white, and represented as white.
@RechargeableLithium7 жыл бұрын
Hey Devin - before you go off on others, check your facts. There were elevators in Greece in 236BC. Archimedes was a smart dude. Otis invented the safety brake, not the elevator. www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-invented-the-elevator
@lewisalexander70757 жыл бұрын
Logic must outweigh emotion.
@kaliac14547 жыл бұрын
Moshe be like "If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a question"
@Mannydamon6 жыл бұрын
kaliac dodgeball reference
@Ocelot0067 жыл бұрын
I can understand why a husband murders their wife....doesn't mean I agree with the decision and shouldn't criticize it. Understanding why someone is upset doesn't legitimize it.
@bradyroberts1147 жыл бұрын
Dude, just get it out. He's taking 10 minutes to articulate one simple point.
@lukecooper69717 жыл бұрын
Brady Roberts he offers no solutions as it's infuriating the premis is to flawed so offer solutions
@NWforager7 жыл бұрын
STOP . Don't scroll down . have a better day .
@Vidyadude6 жыл бұрын
Never seen anyone complaining about Black women straightening their hair or dying their hair blonde.
@As_Asa_PhD6 жыл бұрын
kingcunt They get around that hypocrisy by saying cultural appropriation is taking without permission, and blacks have permission to assimilate.
@jsheriff3966 жыл бұрын
Hair colour and texture isnt culture tho. I agree with you but that's a very bad example.
@SkaterBlades6 жыл бұрын
@@jsheriff396 but the main argument for the first half of the video is about white people wearing dreads
@jsheriff3966 жыл бұрын
@@SkaterBlades ik and it's stupid Blacks didn't invent dreads
@SkaterBlades6 жыл бұрын
@@jsheriff396 yep but as they say "we wuz kangs n shiet"
@lukecooper69717 жыл бұрын
this guy puts too much value in emotions,
@lukecooper69717 жыл бұрын
he offers no solutions, what an idiot
7 жыл бұрын
This guy is supposed to be a comedian. His stand up must be hilarious.
@jim76017 жыл бұрын
what's it say about his white guilt level ? it's over 9000 !!!!!
@ShootinShark6 жыл бұрын
He's not White.
@browngirlinaclownworld20775 жыл бұрын
@@ShootinShark Yes he is. A Jew can no more claim to be Middle Eastern because WAAAAAAAY the fuck back one of his ancestors lived there, during the Bronze Age, than Elizabeth Warren can claim to be 'native American'.
@tzermonkey7 жыл бұрын
Never met one person who got mad at Taco Tuesday. Hope I never do.
@jeanniem765 жыл бұрын
Okay, the military thing....no one in the military has long enough hair to need dreads or braids so anyone upset about that rule is really stretching.
@Crazyashley423 жыл бұрын
Mens hair can't be longer than 2 inches, and women's can be as long as they want as long as they can bun it up. I have a male Master Chief with 2 inch dreads and a lot of the black girls at my Nosc wear braids. A girl in my boot unit years ago had dread based box braids. Its more common that you think.
@sallysue81762 жыл бұрын
When I was a female in the military the black females would braid everyone’s hair. Now it is racist
@KalimanOxcuro7 жыл бұрын
Moshe is a great example of someone that talks a lot but doesn't say anything. This was a pain to watch. It is my understanding that, originally, cultural appropriation referred to deliberately taking someones cultural characteristics for the explicit purpose of profit and/or exploitation. Today's' crybabies have mistaken that with the age old tradition of cultural borrowing. Ridiculous.
@Ballisticbob5177 жыл бұрын
Did he just use "woke" non-ironically?
@zr65427 жыл бұрын
Ballisticbob517 no
@WildBillJP5 жыл бұрын
Wtf is a “legitimate emotional reality”?
@Scrotumofbodom17 жыл бұрын
he says everything like he knows everything but he doesn't really know anything.
@chesterfarrington40035 жыл бұрын
I would totally wear a sombrero! I think they're neat.
@casey58373 жыл бұрын
He sounds exactly like the adam Ruins everything guy here
@joshtimaz7 жыл бұрын
When a black man is wearing a business suit instead of a bone through his nose it infuriates me
@browngirlinaclownworld20775 жыл бұрын
Speaking of cultural appropriation, about those 'Arab inventions' you folks are so proud of...
@LinkMcStink5 жыл бұрын
@@browngirlinaclownworld2077 You mean like beheading infidels and female genital mutilation?
@browngirlinaclownworld20775 жыл бұрын
@@LinkMcStink Now THOSE are genuine Arab inventions. But those bastards like to claim our numeric system. That shit's Sanskrit, not Arabic.
@vistalite4 жыл бұрын
SirGarforth ...and B.O.
@danielwasacase53647 жыл бұрын
your not stealing it when you buy it? and the culture in question reaps the benefits from the sharing of their culture
@mr.yellowstrat33525 жыл бұрын
Yeah I feel ya bro. Let's empathize with them... Let's just take away all of Eminem's records and while we're at it let's take all the black folks out of the NBA since that's a white sport originally... 🙄 The PC future sounds SOOO fun (sarcastic AF)... Wtf does "politically correct" even mean?! Since when does being gay or emotional have anything to do with politics? GTFO of here with those misspelled picket signs. Nobody needs to reinforce common courtesy. You can't walk around in a Nazi uniform without being confronted by someone just like you can't bully someone in front of good people. People are too good for this PC, CNN, collegiate asshole of a toilet culture and yet we sit here fighting each other because they told us we were on TV
@housestompin7 ай бұрын
Great comment.
@mr.yellowstrat33527 ай бұрын
@@housestompin lol thanks I forgot about it. Crazy to think that was 5 years ago. Hopefully more people have woken up since then 👀
@housestompin7 ай бұрын
More every day mate. The massive middle majority in this nation is being held hostage by a wafer thin minority of the loudest, most ignorant, and most abrasive. I think everybody has had it. The idea they speak for everyone is classic smoke and mirrors wizard of oz shit. The complete collective abandonment of the covid era will be looked on as the highwater mark of cultural stupidity in the US. Its important now more than ever to speak up and hold your ground as a rational person. @@mr.yellowstrat3352
@David-hf8wt7 жыл бұрын
I applaud Joe, this is the first time in a long time i remember him actually pushing back against one of his guests. He made intelligent, logical points and this dude just fell apart like a typical liberl
@applejuice56356 жыл бұрын
He barely called him out. Where is the so called pushing back in this video.
@arturoperez3525 жыл бұрын
Adam gets ruined on joe rogan is better
@JamesTaylor-cj2di7 жыл бұрын
This was a poor argument not because of the speaker but because the base of the argument is faulty, no this is culture exchange
@onetofew17 жыл бұрын
if you can't move on from history you are doomed to repeat it.
@alexandramiller6766 жыл бұрын
Just stopping by to say the guest, Moshe Kasher is awesome! Fuck the haters
@lilyblossom12407 жыл бұрын
there is a difference between wearing say braids vs something like black face. and black people don't own braids! braids have been around forever and in many cultures.
@KT-cz7rm3 жыл бұрын
Black face/whiteface is fine sometimes and wrong others but anyone should still be able to do it.
@KT-cz7rm3 жыл бұрын
This guy needs some testosterone.
@RideAlongWthJavieFrmTheIE5 жыл бұрын
Supporting a culture is way different than making profit of a culture that is at yours !!!🧐
@danielwasacase53647 жыл бұрын
and it is not appropriation if you are forced to assimilate into another culture. Forced means you don't have a choice.
@chiraqtookapack71897 жыл бұрын
None of this conversation actually matters
@thirdcreed7 жыл бұрын
I remember nerds from the 80's and 90's getting upset when, after the business successes of nerds in silicon valley, "nerd culture" became a thing. They would become pretty angry, about it because it was connected to a painful history for them. They really had built up a little patch of culture out of their interest, in a fairly inhospitable world, and it felt like other people were just coming in to scoop up the reward. I think it frustrated them quite a lot to see popular attractive people, with little attachment to their world, enjoy their passions, hobbies, and dress, without having to deal with the social isolation. It's a bit like mocking a baseball team during all 9 innings, then when they finally win, saying how big of a fan you are, and going to their afterparty. It can be pretty frustrating for the team members. Most of the time they weren't asking for much, just for an acknowledgement that they had done all this stuff. Somehow the actual nerds maintained their low social standing even after it had been co-opted by sorority girls that are like...so nerdy because they wear horn rim glasses, and like Mario. I don't think all of them were perfect at expressing it, but I guess it makes sense to me, why they were upset.
@johnrodgers20182 жыл бұрын
That was weird, when nerd became trendy in the 90's
@themanwhoknewtoomuch6667 Жыл бұрын
@@johnrodgers2018 lol
@WildBillJP5 жыл бұрын
This guy is ridiculous
@timjefferies98857 жыл бұрын
I don't know who this guy is, but I do know that there is yet another show on Comedy Central that I won't be watching.
@barryoffeastenders4 жыл бұрын
I don't know whether to dislike this video because of this guy's nonsense, or whether to like it because of how well Joe calls him on his nonsense...
@liamgeoghegan12472 жыл бұрын
He’s one of my favourite comedians because he is also smart
@CrixusHeart6 ай бұрын
He's not showing it here. "Bo Derek was the first one to wear braids." I cannot roll my eyes hard enough. His thinking that is exactly what we black people are complaining about. Bo Derek getting credit for a hairstyle that black people have been wearing even longer than slavery has been in the USA - 1600. The style goes back before then in Africa. We don't mind if someone wears a style (crazy people not included), we resent when they take credit for it. AND IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.
@HavendaleBlvd805 жыл бұрын
The moment Moshe said that CNN is not a left leaning organization, on the JRE, I couldn't take anything he said seriously.
@peterdewitt67846 ай бұрын
When you're more or less debating someone on a subject, and they're well-educated on the subject, and they basically spend the entire time saying "well, you know it seems pretty dumb, and i do think that part is based in ignorance"...."yeah that's true that aspect is ridiculous"..... "OH, I never said you shouldn't ignore people who accuse you of cultural appropriation, you probably should tune them out and proceed with your day"....lol it's like dude what are we doing here. How trash is a concept, when someone who is arguing FOR its validity is repeatedly admitting that it's irrational and stupid
@45dcf7 жыл бұрын
This Moshe Kasher is needs to up his T-level and ditch the thick rimmed glasses. Than his power level will reach over 9,000 :)
@TheCrusaderRabbits7 жыл бұрын
Joe hit it out of the park. That other guy had nothing to say.
@shemshemjr.43796 жыл бұрын
I hope people know that these guys are friends.
@marielacey6222 Жыл бұрын
Let’s have it, take back everything that my culture gave to the world. Lol, the world would be up in arms. No more speaking English, no more telephones, no more computers, no more postal service, no more electricity, no more medicines, no more farming implements. The list is endless. Let them cancel themselves
@roomate007 жыл бұрын
"Again, I'm not advocating this" Just making excuses for it
@gbultimate7 жыл бұрын
dreads don't stink, you just have to clean them correctly
@dallascopp47987 жыл бұрын
Geert Bruineman the problem is that I've met people that only clean them once month
@Tezwah7 жыл бұрын
Geert Bruineman tell that to people with dreads
@themanfromhell247 жыл бұрын
i know gross people with straight hair too.
@hardovski71036 жыл бұрын
WTF Is Moshe talking about
@ColeDuarte-tl9jl4 жыл бұрын
I want to punch this fuckin dweeb in the face. Joe having this guy on makes me hate him
@hanginaz18267 жыл бұрын
He said woke three times. 3 strikes.
@TheHeroicDoses7 жыл бұрын
"Every interaction should be based in logic", and this guy disagrees..wow
@JoeLackey7 жыл бұрын
Who let this buffoon out of his cage?
@DeltaAsherHill Жыл бұрын
This was a great discussion
@fawkesdaddy7 жыл бұрын
I'd like to make it known that dreads don't have to stink. I've had dreads for 3 years and don't use product in my head other than head and shoulders.
@jayjonah835 жыл бұрын
I love how much racism and prejudice comes out in comments and then white people wonder why black people keep saying we experience racism and prejudice.
@gtfohff47937 жыл бұрын
Bo Derek, the first? I am shocked by Joe rogans ignorance
@georgeferreira17157 жыл бұрын
when it got to the racism part at the end there was actually some really good points
@aidangreen70065 жыл бұрын
“It doesn’t matter [because feelings]”
@Kjf26916 жыл бұрын
I know moshe and others like him are trying to be empathetic, but they are being more pathetic
@vyt3nis4 жыл бұрын
All these commenters getting their panties in a twist about the phrase "it's not about logic"---you're doing something similar to what Kasher described as getting too focused on "the boat that the concept comes in", like with the "black lives matter...too" example. He's saying that the cause of conflict and misunderstanding is not so much "logical", but more emotion/trauma-based, and that, therefore, a truly logical solution should take the emotional undercurrent into account. That is, "logic" should take its "other side" into the picture---re-frame, take a broader view, engage in dialectics, sublate, synthesise---"logic" should become logic again. After all, does the logical part of you want to merely preserve itself as "logical"---or think the issue that's at hand through, as logic is supposed to do?
@njabulozungu91414 жыл бұрын
Nope! Cultural Appropriation sucks! Why cant we all just be 'LOgicAL INtelligent sUpEr bEIngs'!!!
@housestompin7 ай бұрын
Great comment. There's not a lot of deep thinkers out there.
@lidiyiagezaw26432 жыл бұрын
when a black guy wears a polo shirt at least he doesnt pretend to have invented it
@ashleyg1882 Жыл бұрын
Who’s pretending to have invented anything?
@espenbjerke19056 жыл бұрын
this was painfull to watch
@johnrodgers20182 жыл бұрын
Cork County in Ireland would fly the confederate flag at match games because Cork is known the rebel county and its colours were red and white, but people got offended on behalf of African Americans so so they adopted the Polish flag and the poliah didn't give a shit.
@mr.yellowstrat33525 жыл бұрын
0:48 Tom Haverford?
@DoctorRevers Жыл бұрын
Stop the violence.
@samjones05287 жыл бұрын
he said "woke" get him this channel.
@brendan257 жыл бұрын
The guy who criticized Elvis
@rudy.tootie6 жыл бұрын
Omg.. just asked somebody before you talk about a issue before you go on air... You have no clue what it means.... Lord
@ICVDox7 жыл бұрын
You should have me on the show to talk about the way native Americans have been affected by it. Not really but it should but it should be pointed out
@MrRoflstain7 жыл бұрын
He's "not advocating anything" but he was in the Comedy Central "cultural appropriation rap" video, alright...
@chikidd245 жыл бұрын
Do joe roach not know that braids started in Africa long before the romans and Vikings 🤔
@jcar24125 жыл бұрын
Braids and dreadlocks prob have existed since the beginning of humans. It only seems logical, but who cares is the point.
@fatrown36 жыл бұрын
You should checm this guy's fire ass rap.. Ha! Gay
@mndoslz7 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad there is a white comic who can cure all people of colors problems.
@azankhan885 жыл бұрын
Well should you stop wearing blackface because it will affect other people's emotion.
@ajshdhenskaka4 жыл бұрын
Blackface is part of jewish culture, Moshe wouldn't have any problem wearing it.
@SebHopwoodPK6 жыл бұрын
5:42 does anyone know who the person he is referring to is?
@lilchxpo0ner4043 жыл бұрын
Black women n black men have weaves on so yea
@KT-cz7rm3 жыл бұрын
Moche doesn't say anything here.
@andrewwhite33467 жыл бұрын
nothin wrong with dressin up like buggs bunny
@pablochavez14976 жыл бұрын
Good job Joe...this guy needs to get laid.
@ICVDox7 жыл бұрын
A headress such as a feather bonnet is meant only to be worn by a chief, a male, of a village and only them. Women could not become chiefs. Its not a sexist thing either. Thats just how we did things so dont bother. There have been cases of white people wearing feather bonnets. The reason this upsets natives and should upset everybody is because this changes the way people see our culture. Theres a significance to that headdress. Its not like just anybody can wear the popes robes or hat. And as for garbage like costumes... first of all They all STILL look like the Disney Pocahontas. A character whose face was based off a woman from the phillipines made up by a white man. She WAS real but not nearly like that. Second, i know people in my own community who still dress that way. You wouldnt put on traditional indian garments and put a dot on your forhead for halloween. Thats not right! And by the way if you call natives people indians. Thats racist to both parties. And some places still have carved wooden statues of "indian chiefs" oustide their stores in the states. That makes us seem like fucking ornaments! We're not!
@corsaircarl95827 жыл бұрын
I'm Irish, so if I see anyone wearing St. Patrick's day stuff I should verbally accost them and call them racists?
@viktorcheng20617 жыл бұрын
ICVDox as long as they wear a cultural item with respect, what if I wore the headdress and moccasins in a pow wow? As long as it's not used as a costume in Halloween. I see a lot of non-Asian women wearing kimonos and guys dress up like Samurais and it's accepted. also it's business, if I go to Mexico and bought a poncho or sombrero will it be only for display only?
@blgdoesthings41227 жыл бұрын
ICVDox. I as a black person absolutely would wear Indian garb with a dot on my head
@westsideisdabest78256 жыл бұрын
I bet black people don't even like this guy.
@ajshdhenskaka4 жыл бұрын
Blacks are more antisemitic than most other demographics.
@punklover995 жыл бұрын
It's true but it doesn't matter
@leahballard92555 жыл бұрын
Ain't no demons 'bout to get woke
@williamhextall-smith13585 жыл бұрын
Soy boy virgin
@snopescrimestats5406 жыл бұрын
Did this jew saw his horns down before the show or something?
@MarkKamoski4 жыл бұрын
Ug.
@FLYINGTHOR7 жыл бұрын
One of the worse JRE, only beaten by the Amy Schumer ep, waste of good air time.
@mariocroatia93217 жыл бұрын
he's a Jew....
@9999999944751ify3 жыл бұрын
Yes he is. God bless them
@payattentionplz77277 жыл бұрын
Moshe kasher is funny but damn he drank the coolaid.
@relativerust Жыл бұрын
did joe really use bo derrick as an example of NON cultural appropriation? lol. I wish he would have Moshe back on because I get the feeling that it would be a much better conversation for a few reasons. 1- Joe has spoken to so many scientists at this point, he's no longer threatened by someone who uses big words. 2- Moshe is much more experienced in proving points on podcasts.
@vuks-fj7fl4 жыл бұрын
Dreads dont stink but ok...
@yurriaanvanduyn7 жыл бұрын
When I see a black man being a good father, having a steady job that came from a decent education and lifestyle, a tear rolls on my cheeck. Not because of the beauty of such view, but because of the pain of him appropriating white privilege. The bastard...
@toddpacker4683 Жыл бұрын
Oof
@ThisOldHat7 жыл бұрын
Here's the thing with cultural appropriation, White People have more power in society than People of Color overall because of the history of racism. That means that a white person adopting black culture is NOT EQUAL to a black person adopting white culture. You can't divorce the concept from the context. If racism wasn't a thing cultural appropriation wouldn't be a thing, it would just be cultural exchange. But racism/white supremacy was/is a thing, so when white people adopt aspects of black culture, they risk making that cultural artifact an aspect of white culture, and robbing it of its power as an expression of black identity. There is also the factor played by cultural hegemony. Joe Rogan mentioned the prospect of a black guy wearing a polo shirt as a counter example, saying if its OK for black people to adopt white culture, why is the reverse not ok? Well, for one, in the context of America's white supremacist nature, the most common/likely reason a black person would adopt white culture is self-defense. Dressing and acting "white" is always going to at least partially be about getting along better in society, regardless of how an individual person rationalizes it. A black guy might be wearing that polo because he needs a job too much to risk loosing it over wearing a dashiki. Generally, white people can afford to be more edgey in the way they dress and behave than black people, because they are granted more wiggle room for being white. So its cringe-y for some black people to see a white person using that leeway to experiment with black culture without simultaneously demonstrating an understanding of and solidarity with the black struggle.