A Costly Mistake! Potential New Engine For M2! Not Click Bait - Gutted! | 4K

[@JoeAchilles1]

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[@speedbagwizard9880]

Feel for you there, I did exactly the same in my evo 8 I just had it fully forged at a cost of 6000 then put it into 3rd rather than 5th 12,000 revs later it’s another rebuilt, worse still they rebuilt it wrong thanks to a terrible garage in Sheffield, grrr and I had to sell it with no engine 😢 all in cost me 10k with the car out of action for 6 months Tbh it actually put me off manuals

[@dingdong2103]

Question: Why do you look for all these weight savings when your driving skill doesn't warrant any of this? It's an act of futility.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Ah man. This is why I never wanted a manual track car - terrified of money shifts. Hoping the damage is not too severe, and main thing is you're OK

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thanks buddy! And very true, could have been much worse ❤️

[@zzhughesd]

I was thinking same thing. Manual for a sweet heart roadster and maybe an auto clutch for any track car ?? I wouldn’t have thought about this. I’d easily made same mistake.

[@f87]

I think you can theoretically cause this on the DCT: be in automatic in third, for example, switch to manual and downshift to second only to realize the auto had downshifted to second before the switchover and you have accidentally manually shifted to first.

[@MercSLRFan]

@@f87 That's why Porsche PDKs log over-revs

[@JayEmmOnCars]

@@f87 no all automatic gearboxes (certainly modern ones) will NOT let you downshift if it would over rev the engine.

[@JB_lifestyle_cars]

I immediately knew it was a money shift. You can’t blame the crank hub for this mate 🤣 money shift can kill any engine.

[@oo-DAN-oo]

And this is why we all love you Joe👍🏻 You are genuine

[@ijbetts]

That's a hard vid to watch Joe, harder for you to make it I'm sure.... thanks for sharing the painful experience - hope it doesn't slow you down making such great content. fingers crossed for you and the M2

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thank you Ian! I deliberated for hours after being recovered if I should make/finish the video or not... Mentally it was hard to film, but as this is now.my living and I thankfully had a sponsor, it had to be done 👌 Cheers for the support, let's see where this goes...

[@ijbetts]

There are ups and down in every job we choose - this is a downer for sure but you’ll bounce back in no time 👍

[@818johno]

I’m really gutted for you. You can genuinely see the pain in your face and I feel for you. This car and your love for BMWs in general, has drove my personal love for them, so you really should feel proud for what you have achieved on your channel. I’m sure you will get this sorted and get it back on track in no time!! 🤞🤞🤞

[@_M3NACE_]

Sorry to hear Joe. That’s terrible. If I had to guess, I’d same you spun a bearing. The crack hub would slip under normal conditions and usually wouldn’t warrant a new engine but a money shift will need a new engine. It happens to the best of us and it sucks regardless of financial situations. Try to land a S58!!!! Stay up brother and best of luck

[@Wolff36]

S58 car or for this build?

[@_M3NACE_]

@@Wolff36 for this build! Why not. I think it’s the better engine versus a S55 or any other Bmw engine. Not in terms of sound or fun but reliability/track use and power

[@79mbruce]

Hearing you talk us through what happened…my heart literally sank. 😢

[@georgimihalkov4781]

You know that you've made it as a KZbin influencer when you start making titles and thumbnails like this one 👍

[@banjovic]

at least he is not click baiting!

[@georgimihalkov4781]

@@banjovic Well one step at a time. With a lot of hard work and perseverance he can get there some day.

[@paulkamara281]

@@banjovic like some youTubers you mean. Do you have any names you'd like to share with us Lol?........P

[@theraving90s65]

He didn’t die and he’s getting into a M3 touring really like the guy but it’s a first world problem

[@JoeAchilles1]

​@@theraving90s65 M4 Touring.... Interesting 🤔

[@thamil1365]

Get rid of that stupid shifter mate... I can't understand why people buy these horrible things...

[@JoeAchilles1]

We fitted it because I couldn't ergonomically reach the regular one with my far lower and much improved driving position. Plenty of F80/82/87 owners have done the same Money shift with the standard shifter.

[@Biter1975]

@@JoeAchilles1 Your setting yourself up to fail though. It is going to be much less precise for driver inputs. I hope things are better than feared 👍🏻

[@Matthew-nl9kd]

That sucks man. The metallic noises are bad news. Crank hub won't have anything to do with this though. Money shift will damage any engine, this will likely need an engine rebuild 😬 But you'll need to wait until the engine has been opened up to really know the extent of it. I destroyed an engine on my first proper trackday, a tuned and fairly highly modified BMW 335i. Engine seized up and was completely ruined, had to replace it. Not a pleasant experience but with trackdays and tuned engines, it's the risk we take 🫠 That experience has tuned me off aftermarket tunes but not trackdays. Would rather keep the engines stock (maybe a light tune) and focus on the handling side. Unless you're ok losing an engine it's not worth the trouble IMO.

[@agentsmittie]

So sorry to hear about the accident. Hopefully you got lucky and the damage is not as bad as you expected.

[@r_quon]

Your description of the damage is exactly how I felt when my rod bearing spun on my M3. Good luck with the repair and hope it isn’t too painful.

[@MrHCars]

Every manual owners nightmare 🥺 The M2 will be in good hands with the boys at Swift Perf!! But still, can hear the worry in your voice. Thankfully, as you’ve said, you & everyone else ok. Worth noting that this can happen on the road too - so hope it doesn’t put any people off thinking about going on track someday

[@institutmorningkiss]

Sorry to hear that mate. Can happen to anyone. I admire your straightforward and transparent way of discussing it. Bravo

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thanks bro, hope all is well mate ❤️

[@TheFakePseudonym]

Absolutely gutted for you Joe. I was kicking myself at the weekend for curbing a wheel…can only imagine how this must feel. Will be keeping everything crossed that the damage isn’t too severe. Really glad that you are okay though and wishing you all the best.

[@renas5371]

Gutted for you mate, couldn’t of happened to a nicer and more genuine person 😢 I can fully understand the sleepless nights as something like this is devastating for a petrolhead, I came close to money shifting once but was lucky enough to save it before it over revved too much. Things do go sideways sometimes but you always come back stronger and better, something positive will come out of it, keep your chin up. All the best Joe.

[@goebes1066]

Gutted for you Joe 😢 Crank hub definitely failed but not due to the extra horses or torque, shifting into 3rd at 7.5k in 4th is gunna absolutely turn that lump into a jewelry box. Hope I'm wrong but it doesn't sound good 🙈 Looking forward to the update 🤞🏻

[@samellio]

😭 wouldn’t the damage be worse if you’d had your crank hub done? The stock design is there to stop engine damage when over revved isn’t it? I’d get rid of that shifter, looks so easy to money shift. Worse case you can get a used S55 for around 6k, plenty of supply as loads get crashed.

[@JonathanTyas]

Sadly not, the crank hub slipping can let the valves smash into the pistons. It’s just a bit of questionable design, since improved on the S58.

[@johnbrown3951]

I am really gutted for you. I hope this doesn't get you down too much. There is nothing worse than getting the car looking spotless and it ending up in the garage. I spent a whole day preparing my son's car before a quick visit to the garage for a tyre and a track rod end. It ended up being off the road for two weeks needing a steering rack & 2 rod ends and 2 tyres and the best part of a grand. Deposit for my new Trek EMTB down the plug hole. Looking forward to your car back on track soon better than ever and you putting this chapter of life behind you.

[@CASFAN]

Absolutely gutted for you mate. Such a tough watch and I hope that things aren’t as bad as they seem. To be fair, the Armour All stuff looks decent. May have to give it a try. Anyway fingers crossed for you mate and hope you get some good luck after they have fully assessed the engine.

[@DeltaDubai03]

A bad day at the office. 😢 May I suggest you do Harry's Garage Style videos on the rebuild process as much as you can, and generate some revenues to help you with the costs. Your fan base will be there for you no matter what, and will watch them even if the production value is low. It is the 60 Thousand Dollar Car. They can rebuild it, they have the technology. Better than it was before. Better, Stronger, Faster

[@gavinallen5745]

Joe, the main thing is that you're okay. So sorry for what is clearly a painful time and a tricky video to make, but we all love you man, and your content remains the best for genuine petrolheads ❤❤❤

[@antonystarling]

Most important thing is your OK and that's all that's matters. We all support you Joe.

[@rnagle8287]

So sorry to hear this Joe! Fingers crossed the fix is not too expensive!

[@AndiPannell]

I don't want to say "good video" because it's not good to see. But what really stands out here is your transparency and humility in showing/admitting what happened. Well done for this video, takes alot of courage to put yourself out there like this.

[@gibbonenhancements]

I'd be reconsidering whatever short shift kit you have in this, even with the longer stick. I had an E21 with a BMA short shifter and while it had a satisfying bolt action feeling, there was too little travel between gates. In my current car (with a tremec tr6060) I've kept the shift linkage stock and even so I've had a couple of on-track moments where I've questioned which gate I've hit! Always a possibility but short shifters only increase the risk.

[@HBolus]

Gutted for you mate, hope final prognosis isn't bad. Looking forward to seeing your M2 back out on track..

[@Blackpool79]

Gutted for you Joe, so sad to see this happen. I hope the damage is not too bad and the car is back better than ever in no time.

[@laurencegibbs3640]

Been there done that. About twenty years ago in a 964 RS at Brands hatch. Bent all six exhaust valves from memory . Rebuilt it myself (I am an engineer) and went on to do many more track days . Hope it's not as bad as you think. It's extremely easy to do. Feel your pain.

[@albamotion]

Man, sorry to see this happen to you. Hope you’re able to get it fixed soon. It’ll feel raw just now, but at least you’ll have a story to tell on VINwiki in a few years time. 👀

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha thank you, yes there will eventually be a plus side and I will live and hopefully learn 🫣

[@fe1jx240.]

And that’s known as a money shift. Crank hub or not, that will screw any motor up.

[@itscroc_]

Honestly Joe, I feel your pain. My car (just an f20 118i pre lci, so nothing special, but still very special to me) probably needs a full engine rebuild and it's gonna cost me a lot. Sure, it won't be nearly as expensive as rebuliding an s55, but it's still gonna cost me a good chunk of what I have saved up and has been causing me lots of stress. It's all gonna be good in the end though, I know your m2 means a lot to you and once you'll have it back, you'll be filled with joy!

[@mullner88]

Steering column extension is a game changer that is often overlooked!

[@ahorton6786]

Oh man, that must be gutting Joe. Hope its back and better than ever soon.

[@daraghmorrissey]

So sorry to hear this Joe. Your attitude to setbacks is great. Everything can be fixed but you are irreplaceable. I know nothing about cars but curious to understand if the same thing can happen to a ‘stock’ m2. Thinking of buying one next.

[@stickshifter8]

So sorry Joe, but try to see the glass half full: you are ok and healthy, and that’s what really matters at the end of the day. The M2, although nice, is just “stuff”. You will fix it and enjoy many memorable moments with it. Keep up with the great work!

[@oficina_moomoo]

I got a m2c manual too that I track. Always scared of money shifts buts its the nature of it. Had it been today I woulda bought the dct since because of track days. As many have said this has nothing to do with the crank hub, classic money shift 😢

[@richardkennett4086]

Really Tough day Joe! Hope you managed to get fixed and the cost is not too horrific! Keep up the amazing content!

[@kobbetop]

I did that once and the sound it made was pretty brutal. I’m glad it was an old army vehicle and the army had plenty of replacements for that particular piece of junk. I hope it’s not the whole engine but if it overrevved like that, it could very much be scrap metal now…great channel anyways 👍

[@pachokardana6192]

You have more than enough money for a new engine . You just bought new M3 touring for 100 k and new engine for this will cost 10k which is nothing . Pocket money .

[@simonp9169]

Commiserations mate. I crashed my M2 on Phillip Island a few yeas back which was just terrible. After the embarrassment subsided I realised I was stranded 200km from home with no means to get home, no insurance to cover it and overall just feeling sorry. 21k AUD later and life goes on...and believe me I'm not on anywhere near the wicket you are ;) Win some you lose some, as you say, cheers.

[@chrisd2415]

Sorry to hear this! It could be the crank hub, however I can’t for the life of me understand why anybody would build a track car utilising an S55 with increased power without doing a crankhub fix, it’s such a well documented Achilles heel (pardon the pun) I run a 640bhp M4 and didn’t dream of modding before doing CH. £1800 for CH buys a hell of a lot of piece of mind. Hope you get it sorted soon

[@the_jnlt_channel]

Sorry to hear this, gutted for you. Hopefully not as bad as you think and can get it sorted soon 👍

[@HTH88]

Terrible to see this happen mate but glad to see you were unharmed. Fingers crossed the repairs come in lower than anticipated.

[@peterjelen1400]

My brother and I have done the same unfortunately. Don't give up on it, its all worth continuing the journey when its back.

[@u121460]

Fingers crossed the damage isnt too bad Joe, Gotta take the rough with the smooth sometimes unfortunately, keep doing what you do best!

[@Jasond1379]

Joe you did what we call a money shift. And yes you should have done The Hub when you went up too 500BHP you definitely spun the hub but that’s the least of your problems money shifts go way beyond the question is how bad. Did a piston hit a spark plug or did you bend a valve? One good thing is there’s no actual punctures through your block. crossing our fingers here wishing you the best of luck for minimal damage. Look at it this way now you can build a more powerful, stronger engine.

[@AimSucker]

hubs arent a huge problem on manuals, the hub issue mostly occurs on dct cars due to the torque hit on high rpm shifts. id more worried about the valves hitting the pistons at 8k?rpm or however much it was, but not due to hub failure. if the hub fails like it did on mine it showed 120408, 130104, 130e20, 130f20, 132201, 123301

[@bigboost2641]

Agreed manuals don’t tend to shock the transmission/ crank as much as the DCT on aggressive changes! Most failures are on DCT but then there are more DCT compared to manual. S55 or not, no engine likes the dreaded money shift.

[@bto7779]

So sorry Joe. Especially on the first track day after the mods. Hopefully it all works out well.

[@elliot5340]

If it is the crank hub don’t go straight for a new engine, I’ve just done one that spun on an n55 and it just bent all the exhaust valves, fitted new valves, lapped them in and refitted and was perfect, if you need someone to do that rather than claiming it needs a new engine/rebuild then feel free to message me, I’m quite well known for engine rebuilds etc across some of the forums, if you want to see some of the work I have done I can show you. (Built 2 of the fastest n55’s in the uk)

[@darylmorse]

Just found your channel today and catching up on a few of your videos about your M2C, since I also have one. It really sucks that you experienced the dreaded money shift. It will be interesting to see how much carnage there is, but regardless of whether the crank hub has spun, it wasn't the culprit. Even if you had a pinned crank hub, a money shift like this would result in valves contacting pistons and relatively similar damage to what would have happened if the crank hub failed spontaneously. I'm predicting at a minimum you are looking at replacing all the valves. There will probably more damaged valvetrain components. If none of the valve heads broke off, maybe the pistons and valve seats will be okay. If a valve head broke off, your engine will be scrap. I think the code about the high pressure pump position sensor plausibility is a indication that the crank hub has spun. Looking forward to the teardown video to see what happened. Sorry for your loss.

[@cfoote2667]

I just wanted to add my support for your heartache, I'm sorry it all happened but ultimately she is worth fixing. All the best on this.

[@itsjoel]

Sorry Joe, I didn’t know about this! I know the feeling of making costly mistakes, it’s not a nice one. I’m confident this is going to all work out!

[@Twiddlers]

Orange juice in your spray to clean the alloy. Absolutely amazing

[@MYMOUNTAIN_122]

Had a similar experience in my Ford gt but my case I spun it up a little too hard like 8000grand, and ended up snapping the cam bolt and pushing the cam gear through the rocker and valves to piston, wasn't cheap, hopefully yours isn't as extensive as that, but is say get rid of that shifter mate unless your going a dog box. Awesome M2 mate love it.

[@CarObsession]

Ah man, that sucks! At least you weren't too far from home - I broke down on track around 3 hours from home.

[@phatlaz1974]

I made a mistake that cost me a motor on a car I’d owned 3days. In the middle of nowhere. The cost of the recovery and trucking the car back home . Then a full engine build . Probably not far off what I paid for the car. Gut wrenching. But my wife who somehow didn’t kill me and leave me in the outback. Said we’d have to rebuild it now👍

[@alexhodgkinson618]

Sorry brother! Keep the spirits up…..can only go upwards and no doubt it’ll shred the track again soon 💪💪

[@stefaneulenstein]

that could happen to anybody. I am always concerned about missing 5th for 3rd. Hope you get the car back on the track soon!

[@3DSman3554]

Did the same thing 6 months ago and just got an answer from BMW now they didn't really hep much but through so money towards me to help but had to take care of it myself. Costly lesson for sure.

[@iamspyvspy3077]

Good vid. It's always that "one more lap" that does you in !

[@nadi178]

I was there at the trackday and you came over to my and my mates, we had the Punto, panda and M2 comp with the spoiler. Good luck with the repair

[@michaelshirley105]

A manual m2 is great on the road but on track this is always at the back of your mind hope it gets fixed soon I wrecked an s50b32 on my old m3 I feel your pain

[@pwfletcher007]

Sorry to hear the devastating experience Joe, let’s hope and pray that it does cost too much to fix

[@darranevans8609]

Yes the downside of a manual … If you spin or try to do something silly (wrong gear) the DCT will not let you do it ! Good luck with it Joe

[@Redline360]

The good news is now you can do a simple build like getting aftermarket rods, and the car will be reliable on the track for years to come. Love this build!

[@GarethAviation]

Love your channel mate, one of the absolute best. Really sorry about what happened, I feel quite sick about it for you. 🤞 for you.

[@bigboost2641]

Sorry to hear but my guess is the crank hub slipped due to the excessive shock between the transmission and crank. Probably valves and probably piston tops damaged, hopefully not much more but you obviously don’t know until strip down. Best wishes Joe.

[@thefamilyrobbo]

Shows how easy it can all go Pete Tong whether it be an accident or a simple error like this. If you were thinking of upgrading the engine anyway, would it ve feasible ro get a second hand engine then have it rebuilt stronger and better than the original? Just an idea to create something positive from adversity. Whatever happens, I hope it turns out better than your initial fears 👍

[@security_threat]

Most people never admit to money shifts! Kudos to you!! Honestly no one is really above it, imo.

[@stoneautomotive]

Ouchhhhh Joe! Given your last videos at Bedford I thought it was going to be sliding off the track damage.. as rubbish as it is (we’ve all been there waking up with that horrid gut feeling after something like this) it’s only metal and a good excuse to build a new motor up stronger 💪 watched the adverts through all the way to help with the build costs 😅

[@agroves72]

Some of us out here in internet land really appreciate your integrity and lack of click bait tactics. You might be giving up some views on one video, but it's what keeps us coming back over the long haul. Sorry to see the news about the M2, but like all bad things in life, this too shall pass...

[@carlendar4022]

Gutted for you man! But so sincere and honest, this is why we all love Joe!! something similar happened to me years ago. Sending you best wishes. I'm sure M2 will be back bigger than ever.

[@JCviggen1]

Could be worse, I did exactly the same (3rd instead of 5th) in my 991.2 GT3 the other day bouncing down the foxhole on the Nordschleife. Engine still runs fine mind you but it can now not be trusted for track duty anymore until a proper check and replacing some bits and even then uncertainty will loom... it does feel absolutely horrible to f*** up a shift you've done a million times correctly.

[@Singh-qy4ps]

Get that go funded started and let’s get the M2 back out on track creating beautiful visuals and sounds for us all.

[@colin5577]

“I pity the fuel”. Love that. Very good. Love the mods and am sorry to hear about the mishap, but… y’know…. happens to the best of us and what doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.

[@karlInSanDiego]

I money shifted an M52 motor on our Z3. It only broke the fan clutch which sounded awful but was a very easy cheap fix. Hope this is similarly small fault.

[@DontPanicDear]

Ouch hurty engine 😨 Fingers crossed it’s not a new lump required Joe 🤞🏻 This is one of the reasons I hate driving gloves, as they reduce feel and make this sort of thing more likely 😢

[@ikraam19]

Sorry to hear mate that is terrible news, but glad you’re okay. Hopefully it’s not costly to repair and it’s back in the road soon.

[@Wolff36]

Man this sucks, all the best Joe! You are fine and rebuilding your baby will bring new joy! It's always something stupid with our beloved brand. Magnesium bolts, charge pipes, crank hubs, i wonder what problems the B58/S58 will bring in the future.

[@dave7856]

Sorry to hear of your dilemma, just lucky it did not throw a conrod out the side. If it was me I would defiantly replace as a must do the con-rods, pistons, chains, mains and flywheel bolts and all the valves and springs. Sorry for the bad news the parts I have listed will not show any sign of a problem but will be stressed beyond their fatigue limits.

[@kevinmcg6747]

Sorry to watch this unfolding Joe, whatever happens the main thing is you weren't injured. To make you smile (if possible at the moment), if this was on an M2 Forum there would absolutely be someone asking 'can I reserve a bid on the seats mate if you strip it?' Cheers, Kevin

[@xzst]

Thats what I find scary in these short shifters, they are cooler to shift, but its also easier to make mistakes as that and destroy the drivetrain.

[@davidfogel5207]

Surprising that CAE didn't help to prevent it considering that they advertise their shifters with the more direct shifting.

[@_Archambaud]

It happens.dont beat yourself up ive seen most of your videos and you sre a good pilote .robert mitchel did the same in his gr Yaris, so your in good company

[@Denno220]

What an amazing attitude you have shown to a gut wrenching situation, don’t think I could be so calm and level headed after that!

[@Themazcorner]

Really sorry to hear buddy! But these kind of things happen on track and off. Seeing it from the bright side it could have been much worse as you say and also you have fantastic support from Swift and all of us up in this place 🙌 😊

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thank you and very true!

[@chrisginoc]

Here in California it is VERY common for guys with S55s replacing their crankhubs as preventative measures beforehand. Not too expensive here actually at all. I was debating between a 2021 M2 Comp or a 2023 A91 6MT. Had I gone with the F87 I already had the crankhub in my shopping cart. Sorry to hear what happened.

[@pragasennaicker5429]

Sorry to hear that, Joe.

[@pmr01]

a horrible reminder of how good modern autos are in stopping some of this sht

[@M3UMH]

Fingers crossed for you Joe. Been in a similar situation with a TTRS where I melted a piston, didn’t turn out to be anywhere near as bad as I thought cost wise.

[@F40pete]

Probably bent valves possibly rods may be damaged camshaft need a whole new head rebuild. Best to get it built properly so you can add more power and maybe converted to an automatic

[@corsacleanshield6879]

Sorry to hear Joe. Hopefully all goes well with the fix.

[@racecrashrepeat]

New crank and bearings maybe rods and you'll be back on track. Block should be good. Just shows that no matter what your skills are this can happen to anyone.

[@simonyounger9583]

So sorry to hear about the car Joe. Fingers crossed that it's not as bad as you fear

[@E92M3]

spun crank hub and bent valves. even if you got the keyed crank hub it most likely wouldn't have saved the valves

[@GRfourfun]

Genuinely gutted for you Joe. I know it’s easier said than done but try not to over think about it and keep positive. We are all here because you are you and one way or another it will be sorted.

[@cielo20]

gutted for you , happens to the best of us , happened to me in my type r but luckily didnt get damaged , hope damage is minimal in your case , will wait for update on your channel , i can relate with the sleepless nights after something like this 😢

[@thunderpants007]

The real lesson here perhaps is run your cameras always, you can always delete content. Might have paid for the rebuild having had the right footage perhaps.