Johan Giesecke one year on: did Sweden succeed?

One year ago, an interview with Professor Johan Giesecke of Sweden began to go viral on KZbin. It was early in the pandemic, and he was the most senior voice (as a former state epidemiologist of Sweden, Chief Scientist at the European Centre of Disease Control and advisor to the Director General of the WHO) to come out forcefully against lockdowns.
He promised to come back in a year to review the evidence - and with typical Swedish punctuality, here he is.
What he got wrong, what he got right, and much besides. Don't miss.
Accompanying article here: unherd.com/2021/04/did-sweden...
Listen to the podcast here: shows.acast.com/lockdowntv-wi...
// Timecodes //
00:00 - Intro
01:11 - Revisiting last time
02:08 - What I got wrong
09:03 - Vaccines
10:55 - Fatality rates
13:13 - IFR
16:05 - Lockdown strategy
19:39 - Freedom
22:25 - Effects of lockdown
24:22 - Social distancing
26:35 - Returning to normal
27:21 - Masks
28:03 - Seasonality
29:02 - Post-pandemic behaviour
31:01 - Taking the vaccine
34:13 - Future for Sweden
37:13 - Old Normal

[@UnHerd]

The date on the chart (mid May instead of mid April) is just a typo, which Freddie then read out! Meant to say mid April ;-)

[@MrVpassenheim]

I've just debunked your "stats" that you showed the first 6 minutes. You're very misleading. Maybe you have a future as an MSM "journalist".

[@bassathehelingmindcassa2341]

U will se he cant com upp with annything in long runn To day 1500 testes how was told it was covi 19 no virus Was funded 7 unewersety was check it 0 in funding

[@bassathehelingmindcassa2341]

Yes its a story only

[@bassathehelingmindcassa2341]

Let us digg up 2000 ded and investigste how did

[@tonycoxall7370]

Yes, I think we realised that. Never mind - ' To err is human ' .

[@ugjhgjf]

Extremely brave to make predictions and then come back in 12 months to be called to account. I've never seen anyone else do this. The usual pattern is prognosticate and deny.

[@annarichardson7794]

Yep can't see Whitty answering to his 4000 deaths a day prediction, or Ferguson with all the BS he has come out with.

[@importantjohn]

To be fair, Neil Ferguson was interviewed on here at the end of last year. Unfortunately for many people who are anti lockdown, his projections have been proven to be correct.

[@Michelmutimidiamax]

@@importantjohn Which projections? Because, in terms of numeric predictions, it was terrible. Probably, there was an overestimation of lethally.

[@Mokkel73]

But, everything he does is deny!!!!

[@michstockholm1164]

@@annarichardson7794 it's easier if you know what you're talking about and aren't trying to scare the shit out of people in order to earn money or temporary fame.

[@philsandele]

Not shying away from tough questions, but always the respectful interviewer. You are part of what has become a rare breed, mr Sayers. Once again, bravo!

[@MO-rp8yy]

Which you can tell about both. Science-interview on a really high level of science and integrity.

[@fndngnvrlnd]

Yes but he did not challenge him more on his complete change of tune!!! Giesecke has been bought!!! He has sold out!!!!

[@mr.safensound4238]

@@fndngnvrlnd sold out or 'persuaded'?...

[@MO-rp8yy]

@@fndngnvrlnd You're talking 'bout Drosten, right?...... Yes, everyone is bought, except the pharmas, media and policy. It has to be the science that contradicts the official narrative to be bought......absolutely.....

[@ludmilaivanova1603]

@@fndngnvrlnd I would not say so categorically, but, certainly, he was careful. It shows us how dangerous is today to say what you think.

[@spectralisation]

There's a meme about Finland, about how they can't wait for 2 meters social distancing rule to expire, so they can get back to the usual 10 meters. Which may or may not explain their very low numbers :)

[@somosn4241]

What low numbers? Sweden is one of the countries with the highest infection rate in the world (the third among the nations with more than 10 Million people)! And yet, they don't do so many tests compared with the rest of Europe, it could be much worse.

[@spectralisation]

@@somosn4241 FINLAND, it's FINLAND.

[@Jaravik]

@@somosn4241 Why is it something bad to have many people being sick? It's positive! Stay home a few days, get well, get on with life, just like after any virus infection. As explained during the interview, Sweden did very well protecting people's jobs, mental health and democracy whilst other countries engage in fascist autocratic lock-downs.

[@somosn4241]

@@Jaravik Well, obviously you agree with the Nazism and the eugenics. The numbers of Sweden are catastrophic, having so many infected people (highest in EU), with one of the worst ICU per capita in Europe and very slow vaccination, you won't get to know the number of deaths because people there live in the "Happy world" where the journalist applaud Tegnell as if he was Hitler and the opposition is a joke. In a serious country, Giesecke and him would be both in jail.

[@somosn4241]

@@spectralisation My bad, didn't read Finland.

[@TheIncredibleMrG777]

I don’t get upset by anything the Swede said. I don’t get upset about the possibility of death. I do get upset about people imposing restrictions on my family and community because of their irrational fears. We will all die.

[@ayethegreat4997]

No offense but it seems you are Scandinavian or Dutch. These are the countries that talk about people dying as if they were distributing chocolates. 🙀

[@g_c6668]

@@ayethegreat4997 Death is 100% certain, why shouldn't we discuss it or even plan for it?

[@ayethegreat4997]

@@g_c6668 discussing it with care or casually is the difference. I am surpriddd at people who think death is certain so let us just enjoy our lives. These people are killing others who are vulnerable or want to live longer by not getting vaccinated or not wearing masks. Anyways it’s a topic of choice and really cannot be discussed.

[@lulunz6809]

Then don't have children. Other people have the right to live too. What you are saying is that you are more entitled than anyone else. That is narcissism. Don't breed.

[@lulunz6809]

@@ayethegreat4997 I agree. They are killing others and their argument about rights is very self centered and not about everyone having the right to live to the fullest while they are alive. That concept seems beyond their understanding because they want to have their rights at the expense of other peoples rights. Its almost like a teenage way of thinking where they think the world revolves around them, rather than seeing themselves as part of a much bigger world. Ahh what a small minded small country.

[@willhamill1787]

Someone admitting that they got some of their predictions wrong..... WOW! THERE'S AN UNUSUAL THING TO HEAR.... Well done Sweden !!!

[@atyourservice]

So true. And now you can take that as an example by admitting you cannot spell Sweden.

[@willhamill1787]

Oops sorry!

[@CANFilms1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@RadioNul]

yes, well done sweden in being utterly wrong

[@hunkenpunken]

Giesecke is the worst liar....

[@jbwatson2]

This is an amazingly honest interview, I am not sure I have ever seen two people be more sincere in the same discussion. Kudos to both! Please make this an annual thing.

[@jmolofsson]

Johan Giesecke is born 1949. He won't have energy to make this an annual thing.

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@@jmolofsson That makes him several years younger than the American president, junior also to the previous one, five years older than the German chancellor, and eight years older than the prime minister of Sweden. A mere hour's chatting is not such a tall order for a typical person in their early 70s, and for a Swede that may go double.

[@marcritchie4968]

Accepting where he was wrong tells you how genuine he is. Borris should be in prison

[@jonesalex565]

Honest. But he concedes too much I'm afraid. UK deaths were revised by 25% over night! And that's just for starters.

[@jmolofsson]

@@dixonpinfold2582 Yes. I was thinking of Biden as I wrote. And it's only to admit that age strike differently. I wasn't impressed by Joseph Biden before, but I've started to become that now. Impressed. Slowly.

[@pollofracco]

Aggressive questions as it has to be; moderate and humble attitude, readiness to accept mistakes and get better: an excellent interviewer and an excellent man of science. My best wishes to your channel.

[@MT-ys7nh]

U might like to delve into the following: *‘’Blood Clots & Beyond’’…Prof Suckarit Bhakdi i kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqqzm3Scg7N0Y7c *6 Covid False Narratives - ‘PANDA’ (Data & Analytics) co-founder Nick Hudson, * explains the ugly truth about COVID-19, which is that the world is being needlessly crippled by fear due to a false narrative * using live data and open science to empower the public to exercise freedom of choice and preserve free societies. www.pandata.org/time-to-reopen-society/ TIME TO REOPEN SOCIETY ! *Inflated Covid Cases & Fatalities Litigious Steps In US. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarSiYVraKp2fLc Global Pattern? • Irish MSM Misleading Public & Manipulating Covid Data? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZukqndugdSsg9E

[@harryp2084]

But vaccinations are not the answer, a healthy life style is.

[@lulunz6809]

@@harryp2084 Are you suggesting that a healthy lifestyle will help people to live longer? What's the point when the people this virus killed in Sweden, were people over 50. A healthy lifestyle includes doing what it takes to look after your health including getting vaccinated.

[@harryp2084]

@@lulunz6809 Dear Lulu, a healthy life style is the basis for longevity. Vaccines maybe another tool in the toolbox. But at the moment we don't know how well they work in the long run. Data from Israel are not so promising

[@lulunz6809]

@@harryp2084 There is so much more to having the opportunity to live a long life than living a healthy lifestyle when you are old enough to choose the type of lifestyle you want to live. Does Sweden have a vaccination programme for your children? Do you teach your children basic safety like how to cross a road safely, not to light fires inside? Or teach teenagers how to drive and the road rules? Then do you teach them why they are there and what happens if you break them? Do you have laws? Do you have access to healthcare when you need it? Emergency services for accidents? Police? Health and Safety in the workplace? Education? How do you know what is health and what isn't? Do people care about you and for you when you are unable to care for yourself e.g when you are a baby? Become very ill? When you are a child? Are there laws about providing the necessities of life to those children? Vulnerable adults? I think so many people underestimate how much we all rely on others to live a long and productive lifestyle. We aren't animals. We are humans.

[@Hary_Up]

"I was wrong.": Three words that are really unknown to the doctors of my country. The doctors of my country know everything...

[@CANFilms1]

Quite! This film is proof that lockdowns were useless. Check it out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM&ab_channel=CANFilms

[@bradleyt2945]

Yup and also there aint no pandemic u will see soonnwhat kind of scam they got us into

[@TheMrssanderson]

Same in America

[@original_poster]

His comment about people's willingness to give up their freedoms being worrisome is spot on. This has marked a turning point in the West - this will not be the end of lockdowns I believe. They will become a permanent part of the landscape eventually.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[@mogznwaz]

That's what worries me too

[@bobgillis1137]

I agree.But I think the whole push for injection "passports" is replace "temporary" lockdowns with permanent and variable restrictions on freedom. I am hoping it will fail big time and regardless, I will not take part in them.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@xdrowssap4456 I think you hit squarely where the issues lie. Granted there are international influences intent on trying to dictate rules to sovereign entities but it comes not without its pitfalls from their perspective at the moment - which is precisely what this push for more centralised control is all about I'm presuming, facilitated through these vaccination "freedom" passports, and controlled by an unelected NGO.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

@@xdrowssap4456 Me too, and along with countless others. What's frustrating is our chances would be hugely increased if it weren't for the naïve or downright stupid dare I say in not realising what's at stake and are seemingly going along with this agenda. They simply don't understand what they're proponents of.

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

This pandemic has shown that people are much more sheeplike than most of us realise. Like the majority of German citizens in the '20s and '30s. One would think we would have learned that government serves us, not the other way round. Alas, no.

[@ludmilaivanova1603]

The Religion of Rationality I might misunderstood you, but I am sure the government serves big corporations, not the people.

[@thereligionofrationality8257]

@@ludmilaivanova1603 Meant to say a 'proper' government.

[@xylemrays671]

It mainly highlighted how dumb people are. People who think they’re intelligent, they “know stuff, listen to this man, it’s a conspiracy man”.

[@caliac]

And that's why movies like 'Judgement At Nuremberg' should be a mandatory watch in highschool in every democratic country.

[@toddlavigne6441]

that's why we call them "sheeple" LOL

[@annalyons4580]

In Ireland we are still in the longest and strictest lockdown in the world and there is no questioning of it and incredible compliance. In my country there are few dissenting voices in the media and no opposition whatsoever to government or health experts. Our schools were closed for months on end with teachers sitting at home on full pay. Also libraries closed with staff on full pay. All workers in the public sector are having it great while the private sector is on it's knees. What a country !!!!

[@johnneville403]

Lives destroyed to protect a demographic who were already sheltering while a vaccine was created. Thrown under a bus amid media hysteria.

[@harryf1ashman]

Sunetra Gupta (barrington declaration) said that lockdown is essentially a rich countries prerogative. What she should have added its thats it also essentially a white collar priviledge because without front line workers, the whole thing would very quickly break down. Removing the moral hazard from these lockdowns was huge mistake. The public sector non jobbers should have been rewarded with a manditory reduction in salary.

[@Carroty_Peg]

The joyous Socialist Utopia of the UK. . . we clap on doorsteps for the NHS and get shunned by GPs. Will we ever learn? We created the modern idea of freedom and now appear destined to join the Chinese in their new social credit adventure.

[@susanjackett9268]

It's the same across Brit too

[@kr50401]

As a Swede who spent the first part of 2020 in lockdown in another country, I am so grateful for Sweden’s path of no lockdowns and no mask mandates. God bless Sweden.

[@CANFilms1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@CANFilms1]

Quite! I was astounded to hear Freddie suggest Neil Fergusson got the science right?! And even worse, Giesecke say "Tegnell got the science wrong?"!!! Watch this for the truth about Sweden kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM&ab_channel=CANFilms

[@elizabethweber390]

Perhaps you should ask the 14000 people who died in Sweden how they feel

[@CANFilms1]

@@elizabethweber390 I suggest you look at the statistics and compare Sweden's death toll in the last 20 years ...

[@CaraLiebe]

I agree, Kajsa! I admire Sweden's approach and now I am interested in moving there. I have been there a few times and have had experience living in a different nordic European country, so I think that might help the cultural adjustment. I am disappointed though, that Sweden has recently passed some laws that allow for lockdowns and mandates during pandemics...don't back down and keep your integrity!

[@ipoole6208]

It worries him how willing people have been to give up their freedoms. It scares the sh*t out of me!

[@Erol_808]

You shouldn't be scared, your perception of freedom is just that a perception.

[@liner011f7]

Giving up freedom, for the fantasy of a germ free world. Very foolish.

[@carold.m.3001]

Me too!!!

[@unk5107]

@@Erol_808 just as your freedom

[@funkybear1806]

i d be up for total lockdown if the infection fatality rate was something truly above 1% or so.. But people, they just prefer to watch the news and shelter at home..like cattle..

[@theskeptic2798]

We’ve made a deal with the devil by giving away freedom , I shudder to imagine the consequences .

[@thegeneralist7527]

We made the deal but didn't gain anything and have lost a lot. We haven't paid the price yet. A fools deal.

[@importantjohn]

We give away freedom all the time for the greater good.

[@MsChitterchat]

@@importantjohn No we don’t

[@importantjohn]

@@MsChitterchat Really? So you never wear your seat belt? You never obey the speed limits? You never stop at a red light? You never obey a one way system? You never had vaccines as a child? You don't agree with people's liberty being taken away if they break the law? I could go on

[@patrickh9937]

@@importantjohn are you seriously comparing seatbelts and vaccines to the right to leave your home and earn a living or get some exercise? To have a meal with your family? I don't think you even understand what freedom is.

[@maxmmpower]

sweden still took the right approach, because it didn't sacrifice all to the alter of covid. the myopic insanity of stopping the spread will have much worse long-term consequences, mostly how we're rewired to think about sickness and health.

[@T1bChee]

Am I the only one here waiting for the third episode?

[@nightArbitrage]

Yeah I'm waiting too.

[@wendywoo7031]

I'm still a great fan of the Swedish model. Hang the numbers, they are easy to manipulate. Sweden was the only one to say no to totalitarianism

[@BRIRICO]

Yes, I am so pleased to live in Sweden. I´ve heard horrible stories from other places in Europe.

[@MT-ys7nh]

U might like to delve into the following: *‘’Blood Clots & Beyond’’…Prof Suckarit Bhakdi i kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqqzm3Scg7N0Y7c *6 Covid False Narratives - ‘PANDA’ (Data & Analytics) co-founder Nick Hudson, * explains the ugly truth about COVID-19, which is that the world is being needlessly crippled by fear due to a false narrative * using live data and open science to empower the public to exercise freedom of choice and preserve free societies. www.pandata.org/time-to-reopen-society/ TIME TO REOPEN SOCIETY ! *Inflated Covid Cases & Fatalities Litigious Steps In US. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarSiYVraKp2fLc Global Pattern? • Irish MSM Misleading Public & Manipulating Covid Data? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZukqndugdSsg9E

[@aWitty]

because Sweden has no economic connections with China, so no need to copy the Chinese response.

[@kr50401]

Absolutely

[@starvictory7079]

@@aWitty We do...Volvo is Chinese. There is a lot of business with China. H&M...

[@Benzknees]

Even a year is too short a time to judge Sweden against others. As the South African PANDA research group has found, lockdowns will lead to about 29x as many years of life lost as covid, but over the lifetime of the effected populations, some 70 odd years. In the long run Sweden will not just have proven lockdowns make no difference (in the space of year), but that they have cost other countries massively more in terms of general health & economic wellbeing.

[@LOOKINVERTED]

Agreed and it's already becoming apparent in those countries, particularly the UK where I am where there's now this huge backlog of treatments, 5 mill+ that will be difficult to fulfil even under the best of circumstances. And NOT locking down was considered as controversial? Mass delusion and groupthink has led us down the garden path (and potentially off the proverbial cliff).

[@nikil-mukerji]

The Panda Group is a think tank that has so far been wrong about everything. They’re backed by the same people who are behind the Great Barrington Declaration, which represents a fringe opinion in the relevant sciences.

[@inbox0000]

ahah starts off saying its too early to compare then ends with "yeah they won" nice try at trying to look objective. If only the general health in other countries was as good as Swedens was before it eh? 😉

[@G360LIVE]

I don't think we even need a year. Florida opened up, and the media had on "experts" who claimed the state would see a spike in cases and deaths. What actually happened is Florida had fewer cases and deaths than California or New York, two states that had lockdowns and masks, and Florida has a greater elderly population, meaning that there are more people considered "at risk" in Florida. It's also a state that people are moving to now, away from states like California.

[@roberthay54]

@@nikil-mukerji a fringe opinion in the relevant sciences ?

[@carlotapuig]

It's been decades since the last time I saw such quality journalism. Well done. This channel is absolutely fantastic and so extremely rare in terms of quality journalism nowadays.

[@johnpritchard311]

This is a quality interview from both sides. Freddie held Johan to account and asked him to review his predictions and Johan did just that and admitted where he thought he’d got it wrong. Very, Very unusual!

[@cranstonfranc]

Add a factor for ‘Quality of Life’ into all these charts-which most European countries utterly eradicated-and Sweden would be leading the world by a long way.

[@symzie]

Yes, there would be several thousand people fighting to breath in hospital beds while you were down the pub. Vive la revolution.

[@theskeptic2798]

Yes agree staying alive versus living , we have become apathetic and bowing to the virtual signallers probably never done a good deed in their lives but look I’m wearing a mask .

[@sstansm7f]

@@symzie it was so on 19th century.

[@mrderwoz]

@@symzie while you were in lockdown for past year, they were in pubs enjoying their drinks! And guess what, you will be back in the lockdown after summer while they will still be enjoying their drinks!

[@mitzitakes522]

I agree. In the end, it’s not just about surviving, it’s about quality of life. No one will ever know the long-term effects of the vaccine and the scientists who say they know it is safe and effective are playing God. I beg to disagree because they do not know. They are changing the very fabric of life with this new vaccine. What hubris.

[@OMGAnotherday]

He doesn’t know why Fauchi says he won’t go to busy places after being vaccinated. Because he can’t say Fauchi is lying AGAIN!

[@bondjames3184]

But , we can say it ! Falsey is lying again !

[@OMGAnotherday]

@@bondjames3184 👍🏼✊🏼

[@morlidor]

Someone said that Fauci had not seen a patient for over twenty years...

[@harryp2084]

What I learned during the pandemic is that every scientist is wrong in some points. Especially when they leave their field. He is totally with the vaccination. Here I go with Gert van den Bossche. We will see a large rebound. Vaccinations are not the answer, a healthy life style is.

[@CANFilms1]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@carmelkealy9469]

This very intelligent man is obviously cautious in his answers from the criticism he received from his last interview. He is right not to give himself anymore stress. He knows he was right.

[@MT-ys7nh]

U might like to delve into the following: *‘’Blood Clots & Beyond’’…Prof Suckarit Bhakdi i kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqqzm3Scg7N0Y7c *6 Covid False Narratives - ‘PANDA’ (Data & Analytics) co-founder Nick Hudson, * explains the ugly truth about COVID-19, which is that the world is being needlessly crippled by fear due to a false narrative * using live data and open science to empower the public to exercise freedom of choice and preserve free societies. www.pandata.org/time-to-reopen-society/ TIME TO REOPEN SOCIETY ! *Inflated Covid Cases & Fatalities Litigious Steps In US. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarSiYVraKp2fLc Global Pattern? • Irish MSM Misleading Public & Manipulating Covid Data? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZukqndugdSsg9E

[@jameslovering9158]

A decent human being who was very humble given his pedigree, a man of science and intellect willing to share and help others.

[@user-lf2vw4dm4q]

A doddering, equivocating old man who says NOTHING.

[@jameslovering9158]

@@user-lf2vw4dm4q Another anonymous hater hiding behind his keyboard sniping. Be specific about a point and his questions or arguments or nobody should be interested in your comments.

[@MathiasHeinel]

@@user-lf2vw4dm4q A man who promises nothing he can't keep I'd say.

[@philiphodgesnz]

Love his laconic style. Part of people's response to the pandemic is how they emotionally relate to reactions. I love Sweden's style - practical, laconic, stoic, sensible.

[@just_another32]

Totally agree!

[@alisondaly5560]

He wouldn't be much craic at a dinner party though

[@jmolofsson]

@@alisondaly5560 In Scandinavia, he would. ;)

[@Transhumanist_Adam]

Love that he was able to say that he didn’t know why some things happen. When a scientist says “ I don’t know” i take them much more seriously

[@Anonamoosemouse]

@@Transhumanist_Adam That's a double edged sword though. If they say I don't know too much you wouldn't trust then either.

[@davidbodiroza6908]

Vaccinating small children??? That was the biggest dissapointment with this interview with Gisecke!!!

[@amandaw8829]

You could see Freddie shocked about that one.

[@liner011f7]

In one of the other comments, someone said that he now works for Bill Gates.

[@toddlavigne6441]

Considering none have proven to be safe in the long term, should we experiment on the young ??? Lets not kid ourselves, long term safety studies have not been done.

[@m.b.ortega544]

@@toddlavigne6441 This is a controlled opposition channel. The interviewed people keep pushing experimental, rushed and very lucrative coronavirus vaccines aka gene therapy treatments. That is done all by design.

[@toddlavigne6441]

@@m.b.ortega544 Well, I don't need, or want a vaccine. No long term safety established. If I'm going to be a 'human lab rat' I better get paid well. LOL

[@stevewinterton2598]

My concern is that Johan recently took up a job with the WHO and some of his views may have been changed for him.

[@funkybear1806]

Steve: oooh ! I had no idea... if you could provide some info that d be great. Certainly, his views will be deflected.. at least for public broadcasts..

[@stevewinterton2598]

As stated on en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Giesecke

[@BRIRICO]

I´m not realy sure that it has.

[@hunkenpunken]

Yes...Giesecke was the cause of a lot of dead swedes

[@landondonovanify]

@@hunkenpunken and yet escaped the tragedy of lockdowns

[@robsc20]

The costs of lockdowns will prove it the wrong strategy once the final tallies are made. The damage done to the poorest in our societies is the biggest shame while those on zoom meetings in their ivory towers debate. Our forefathers and mothers would look at us with disdain in how we handled this hardship.

[@Emm.Jaycee]

The Professor is far too generous with most of his concessions. Most notably, Ferguson of UCL has never been right about anything with his pseudoscientific models, he may have been less wrong this time but he was still nowhere close to being right and continues in the same vane.

[@Natasha-tu5qs]

I hear this opinion often. It's easy to say with hindsight. However, modelling, especially epidemiological modelling, is very hard . And like Freddie says, don't think the numbers look so rididuculous now (500k vs 120k). Also there were many unknowns about this virus a year ago.

[@Emm.Jaycee]

@@Natasha-tu5qs I didn't mean it to sound like an opinion, it's merely an observation and as far as hindsight is concerned there were plenty of us rubbishing Ferguson's ludicrous projections from day one. On your point, what UCL and others attempt to do is to predict the unpredictable. To say it's hard is to suggest it's somehow possible to be right and valid. It's nothing more than a thought experiment that belongs in a classroom or lecture theatre and they call it modelling to make it appear scientific when it's nothing of the sort. It's nothing more than overengineered guessing.

[@ludmilaivanova1603]

Matt Coffey it is interesting why the authorities are still using his model even it was shown wrong many times? Most probably, it is very useful for their narrative....

[@ruiliu636]

Ferguson's at Imperial not UCL

[@Emm.Jaycee]

@@ruiliu636 apologies, ICL not UCL

[@pepperkoop]

Johan, thank you for coming back a year in and being frank, direct and admitting where you were wrong and especially for putting it into perspective of the topics where you were absolutely right. Refreshing, balanced and unbiased. Kudos

[@FernandoFernando-dz3jr]

Huge fan of these interviews, congrats!!! I remember watching the interview a year ago. Huge fan also of the Professor, I think he got 99% right, don’t understand why he was so down on his body language. Sweden did closed what needed to be closed, simply didn’t close schools and relied/trusted their habitants to comply. He never said he will get better results by doing that, he said he would get the same. And Sweden did better than some, worse than others. As expected. As he had predicted. And the death rate he also got right, the YEARLY death rate is about 0.1%. In the first interview he never claimed that the he virus wasn’t real, he rightly claimed that doing certain things you would get similar results if you close 100%. A huge contribution to the debate! Also, and as always, the best interviewer!

[@pelle571]

Yess you are right !! Thank you 🙏🏼!

[@watsufizzi]

Nobody has the right to lock another person down for simply living their life. I thought we learned that from the dark ages/slavery. What happened to the enlightenment

[@qeter60]

People DO protest against lockdowns, but the repression in most countries is so violent that the number of people protesting decreases.

[@matsv201]

Yea and the media is really quite single sided. Its no longer democratic.

[@salami2]

Hospitals are still empty...

[@MarinaZava]

Thanks to both of you. I really appreciated this interview one year later. And, yes, I’m worried about the future of western democracies too.

[@ingunnwehn2996]

It worries me a lot that so few is worried, it is not on topic at all here in Norway! Most people you see or hear from think this is just for a short term, and now when they take the vaccine everything will be like before all of Sars/Covid19 started. For sure that will not be the case!! In Norway they say everything will be ok again when all is vaccinated, if that is not a crime against hummanity i dont know what is..?! How can they promise something like that, with a new vaccine not proven to work? Is this "The promised land" Obama is talking about in his new book?! I think most people cant think in depth anymore, the news on the television tell the truth, we depend on them. If we want to bee like sheep, that is ecactly what is happening right now!

[@user-hi5ot7om2y]

Great interview! Both are honest and not avoiding difficult questions. I am living in Sweden, seems more and more people started to appreciate the Swedish non-strict lockdown strategy as time passes by. Especially those with school kids. I've talked to people who came from Norway and they said lots of youth were depressed there. I think in the long run Sweden would have least damages on mental health. Swedish TV showed a research from WHO saying that the number who died because of lockdown (mainly in poor countries) are almost the same as the number of covid-death (mainly western/rich countries and mainly +65). Pity this wasn't brought up under the interview.

[@miller-joel]

"Lockdown" will cause several times more deaths in the long run. From suspended cancer screenings and treatments, to unprecedented unemployment, to the disruption of the food supply, etc.

[@andromedamaxima1543]

so true

[@urosdek1020]

I believe we should be very careful with comparing data from different countries - for example I come from Slovenia and we know for a fact, that 90% of the statistics are false. For the first time in our history the director of the National statistics bureau was swtiched before the end of the mandate. And it was right at the beginning of the whole situation. The official reason: to better handle the coronastatistics. Also about hospitalizations - we know for a fact, that half of the hospital system has been empty for the whole year. So no need to close anything. We are a small country and is very easy to confirm or deny any ‘official’ data. And also people talk... people from the institutions, hospitals etc. We know for example that large numbers of patients were just transferred from regular departments to ‘covid’ departments just because the hospitals get more money for ‘covid’ patients... up to 10 times more. And thus amplifying the numbers of covid hospitalizations. The overall payroll mass doubled in the healthcare system over the last year. Lots of doctors earning up to 200000eur just from covid bonuses. And the whole hospital system covered losses for the last 5 years with just 2 months of covid hospitalizations (peak of november, december). This information is all official in our country, all verified and confirmed by the government in interviews in national media. No false conspiracy theories. So, that’s why I believe the numbers in this situations cannot be trusted as reliable statistics. Are just too skewed for corrupt purposes.

[@happyherbert1984]

Thank you for these informations! I am sure the numbers are cooked the same way everywhere!

[@mitzitakes522]

It’s like comparing marriages. Why does one work while others don’t.

[@jmolofsson]

Uros, what's harder to corrupt is the figures for how many Slovenians have died last year. ...and the "excess death toll", i.e. how many more who died last year compared to the average for the previous years.

[@urosdek1020]

@@jmolofsson actually even that is very muddy... we know there has been severe malpractice in care homes. And there were big incentives for hospitals to put elderly immediately on ventilators, even asymptomatic. For every covid patient in ICU they would get 50000eur... plus we have to take into account all the circumstances we’ve lived in for the last year, they all contribute to more comorbidities or at least mortality risk factors - social isolation, all the anxiety and depression disorders, PTSD, inactivity and economic disaster etc. It’s all basic science actually.

[@jmolofsson]

@@urosdek1020 You are right. It's not easy to interpret excess death figures. But they are harder to falsify.

[@Geckosmakeechoes]

Both true gentlemen. What an interesting, respectful, interview dealing with complex issues.

[@johnpatrick2292]

Hi 👋🏻 Helen

[@hunkenpunken]

No...Giesecke is an old lying ashole

[@mjpucher]

@@hunkenpunken you are fucking troll!

[@hunkenpunken]

@@mjpucher so you as a not native swede know what they have done here? The elderly in nursinghomes that was infected with covid did not get any treatment. They were not transported to hospitals, they was just let to die in their beds not even given oxygen, gasping for air and dying like flies. Just to keep the hospitals available for younger people. Real nazilike approach..... What Giesecke said in live tv 2020 was really disgusting "then we ju increase the spread of the virus" Look at my youtube channel, theres all the clips. Tegnell and Giesecke was emailing each other and those email was realeased 2020. Proving their herdimmunity killing strategy, but also their negative words about masks, just to increase the spread of virus. Not closing the society was also their plan to spread the virus. So whats your real experience of swedens herdimmunity strategy?

[@BetuliaLiberata]

I emigrated from Brazil to Canada 19 years ago and now I feel TRULY DEPRESSED. I truly believe now, that Professor Giesecke is seeing what I have been trying to ignore or discard as a product of my imagination-that is: the governments of the world, western mostly will not let this tight control of the population go. I am feeling like a very unlucky person now to have settled in Canada. I think Canada feels like it will keep a tight grip on the population for the foreseeable future. If I were single, I would take some time off in Brazil and stay with my family. Lockdowns like the one we have here are very hard to implement in a very unequal society and to get their obedience like the government is getting here from the public. Unfortunately, I have made a life for me here after 19 years. I am married and love my husband immensely. I could never leave him behind. I nearly cried as I kept watching this interview and to realize that the governments will probably not let us live a full life again. I kinda could see that on the face of the interviewer. There was a moment when he got from the Professor a sense of hopelessness and that there's something else afoot.

[@CANFilms1]

Quite! Here's a documentary that proves what Prof Giesecke says here (except the claims that Tegnell "may have got the science wrong") kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM&ab_channel=CANFilms

[@johannsalzstreuer5006]

i escaped from germany to mexico.. late but not too late. i saved the psyche of my gf, my own psyche and my relationship. depressions flew away meanwhile a week. i will never again let a government take my rights.

[@CANFilms1]

Sweden knew this all along: watch this for an injection of some common sense .. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@pelle571]

Wow ! Good 🔥!!!

[@johannsalzstreuer5006]

@@CANFilms1 thank you

[@catwoman7462]

This past year has been a massive psychology experiment. I would liken it to both the Stanford Prison Experiment and the Milgram Experiment.

[@Seaby41]

I've thought the same but I'd never considered those 2 experiments. Great point.

[@elingrome5853]

hmmm.. but with Billions in the test subject group.

[@mickeylee2624]

Spot on! I literally likened the C0vid-mess to the Milgram Experiment just a few days ago. GreatMindsThinkAlike

[@nicktrice3129]

It's a global Asch Conformity Experiment as well.

[@catwoman7462]

@@nicktrice3129 Interesting. I'd never heard of that, but you're right.

[@Welshrugbyfan101]

An excellent interview and kudos to Dr Giesecke for allowing it to happen.

[@bendrixbailey1430]

Given that millions have fought wars and died to oppose totalitarianism, and attain freedom, and that many today are still dying in that cause, Mr. Giesecke’s observation that the loss of freedom and the government overreach represent an insidious cost to humankind, I for one remain willing to endure the risks to my health in order to hold on to freedom. I believe Mr. Gieseske will be proven out on that count.

[@angelpajarillo]

That’s not true! People were incredibly fed up and tired of lockdowns and were miserable and wretched . However in surveys they often felt compelled to say lockdowns were popular because to say otherwise they would appear to be reckless , unfeeling about deaths and putting fellow neighbours at risk. But in general lockdowns were seen as purgatory and definitely not the way forward . That truth has to be herd

[@CANFilms1]

Exactly! I am concerned about the suggestion on this video that "Ferguson was right and Tegnell was wrong on the science"? Really? 🤔 Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@pelle571]

Absolutely true !!! Ppl are willified as recless or granny killers and its like living in a Cult

[@googoo554]

Well said!

[@Holeysocks464]

Having witnessed the very negative effects mentally, emotionally and physically among close friends and family of the lock downs and constant fear preaching by media. I think the very negative ramifications of lock down will become obvious over time.

[@bradleyt2945]

Lockdowns arw shit useless also the pandemic is a flu u all.been played. Trust me

[@AndrewKNI]

A great interview, direct questions and direct answers. The pandemic has been hi-jacked by politics and as a result restrictions and controls won't end for quite some time. Freedoms have been removed by politicians, whether they will fully return is anyone's guess.

[@liamocarroll371]

Wow. So refreshing to hear' one of the things i was wrong about' at the start. Like an adult. Swedes are cool

[@leedobson30]

Mr Giesecke's responses were honest and right. There are more important things than enforced 'guaranteed' safety.

[@TheWarmcoldsurfer]

Its fun and tragic that people think we in Sweden have no rules. There are rules everywhere. My daughter is now sitting in the room beside me. Studying from home. But in the long run that breaks kids. When you shop there are numbers from each shop how many people that are allowed in there. 20 square meters for one persons. There are lines and spots where you should stand. You run your hands in alcohol. There are lots of people who dont care about it but maby they keep distance. But we are so so many who follow the rules. We should not meet people from our families. We dont indoors but we meet outside.

[@H.L.S.98]

12 months! It feels like you interviewed him last month!

[@andreafalconiero9089]

That's because life came to a standstill for a year -- nothing's memorable when nothing is allowed to happen.

[@neatoketo6238]

Feels like a lifetime in America where so much has changed for the worse, although the sheeple haven’t realized it yet.

[@tonycoxall7370]

Yeah, don't time fly when you're havin' fun?

[@philiphodgesnz]

exactly

[@adams8968]

Last week for me

[@AANasseh]

I’m very disappointed that neither Freddy nor the doctor adequately emphasized the role of the side effects of the lockdown. To that effect the doctor is right as these long term consequences can only be demonstrated in the long run through retrospective studies years from today. But the idea that Sweden had slightly higher deaths does not mean the doctor was wrong, as you have to account for total harm, including the financial and psychological damages incurred by lockdown states. We can all eliminate deaths by auto accidents tomorrow if we make driving illegal today. In the US alone it will save close to 100,000 lives. The fact that we don’t do this is because we understand the cost of such consequences. You can say that we’re willing to accept those loses for the broader functioning of our society. It’s no different here. We simply failed to calculate the broader costs to the society and set terrible precedents for the future. Unlike Sweden who asked for individual responsibility from its citizens, we in other countries are all more dependent on the Government in the future. The power grab was played to its potential. This is a broader lesson lost in the pandemic.

[@andromedamaxima1543]

stand up ovation, well said. This was the crisis of reason and humility. What happened was hysteria, power grab, arrogance and ignorance

[@joshzoolian7821]

I know he said he's not an expert on social sciences, but it's always extremely tragic when this subject is discussed by world-renowned experts and the factor of deaths due to lock-downs is not mentioned.

[@CANFilms1]

Exactly! I am concerned about the suggestion on this video that "Ferguson was right and Tegnell was wrong on the science"? Really? 🤔 Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@jondazeishere]

I got very tired of lockdown. My mental health has suffered, I’m angry and frustrated with the whole thing. The reality is there’s very little you can do. If all your avenues of socialisation are shutdown how can you really go against it?

[@billiel.6630]

Research to understand what this is all about, connect with like minded people, follow your heart, don't acquiesce.

[@GingerPeacenik]

What are the rules where you live? If they won’t arrest you for leaving your home, then you should be able to continue doing as you please. I go to a bar every week where no one wears masks and there are hugs all around. None of us have dropped dead because of it!

[@GingerPeacenik]

@@billiel.6630 The Corbett Report, the Last American Vagabond, Whitney Webb, and even Russell Brand are good places to start.

[@darrenpat182]

@@billiel.6630 Terror management theory, Derrida's deconstructivism, semantics, abusive power and control.

[@billiel.6630]

@@GingerPeacenik great list! Also Dr Mercola, Sayer Ji/GreenMedInfo, Robert Kennedy Junior, UK column & David Icke now on Telegram has a wealth of links to podcasts. articles...

[@alanplumbridge9097]

Ivor Cummins said that Norway and Finland suffered a very severe flu epidemic in 2018/19 which reaped a large number of aged, vulnerable people. Sweden did not suffer from this, so when Covid19 appeared, it had a higher proportion of aged and vulnerable citizens and this is the primary reason for the disparity.

[@jackieharper5520]

Good old Ivor !!!!!!!!

[@willgeorge5644]

@@xdrowssap4456 seeing Taiwan had no lockdown and 2000 cases 10 deaths is it really surprising?

[@willgeorge5644]

@@jackieharper5520 Ivor has lost all credibility with me, I liked his diet stuff but I need to do and check that too.

[@clivehutt2709]

@@willgeorge5644 on what basis?

[@ludmilaivanova1603]

alan plumbridge a very interesting fact. This say how many factors should be taken into account to have a really scientific comparison. But the politicians do not need the truth. they need some useful facts to support their narratives.

[@metalcomposition]

To be honest, I don't think that Johan was giving his most authentic responses during this interview, as much as in the last.

[@BRIRICO]

Maybe because he may not want to speak ill of people.

[@Guildforsucks]

He works for WHO now again. He didnt in the last interview.

[@metalcomposition]

@@Guildforsucks What? I never knew that!!

[@Anglina1433]

Democracy in Europe has gone by now. I pray that Sweden will stay on its track. A great nation deserves to survive amongst others week characters

[@ginsoakedraisin3694]

Over time, Mr Giesecke will be right. I admire his courage. In Canadian health leaders we see blind compliance while repeating the words given to them. If challenged, they are defensive, and increasingly helpless as their accepted narrative breaks down. Courage is needed. Mr Giesecke has courage!

[@pstrac]

What courage? This man showed me how evil and wicked he can be by stating that children should be vaccinated against a disease which poses absolutely no threat to them whatsoever. Children have more chance of being involved in a road traffic accident or falling off a cliff than dying from a disease with a mortality rate of 99.99% or better for children.

[@ViffeNify]

@@pstrac Well if i can catch something, which is no problem for me, but deadly to you, do you think i should take the vaccine to help push the disease down or not?

[@pstrac]

@@ViffeNify Not for me to say! If you want to be a FOOL and pump an experimental vaccine into your body, a substance designed for a disease with an infection Fatality Rate less than 0.15%, a substance which has now killed more than 9200 people and injured hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, a substance which TOP scientists recommend against and have expressed grave concerns over the long term risks, a substance which is known to cause blood clotting, a substance manufactured by Big Pharma with an extremely bad track record of killing and injuring people, a substance promoted by people in government who are proven Liars, a substance which has just killed a 2 year old baby as part of the big experiment, a substance which does not provide immunity or stop you spreading a disease etc then please, go ahead and take it! Your body your choice! But don't dare inflict your choice on me or my family!

[@sonialeaning2065]

I am surprised that he recommends vaccination for children “to keep numbers low” given that children seem not to get covid. Don’t understand the logic of this.

[@petherarlemalm55]

Because they do get covid-19, just not very severe. But if a kid with covid-19 hugs grandma, grandma may very well get very ill and die.

[@sonialeaning2065]

And yet a study in Iceland showed transmission from children to adults was very low. And if the vulnerable groups have been vaccinated, they are protected anyway. It’s all about balance.

[@spergerkang5291]

@@petherarlemalm55 unless she is given Ivermectin or HCQ, in which case she'll make a full recovery.

[@petherarlemalm55]

@@spergerkang5291 no she won't. But I reckon you're true believer so I won't waste my time.

[@spergerkang5291]

@@petherarlemalm55 you're a projecting hysterical dullard.

[@davidbarnett3675]

The very insistence by the Gates and Fauci types that EVERYONE must vaccinate obligatorily is probably one of the few things making me decide NOT to vaccinate.

[@thaKerl]

Pls don't show statistics with cases per million when leaving out that it depends on the amoun of testing done and cases doesn't mean infections it means positiv tests.

[@bsleman]

As time moves forward he will look more correct. Sure there were a few things to do differently but the core principles were solid.

[@OMGAnotherday]

But he took the vax!

[@inbox0000]

@@OMGAnotherday so?

[@brianpower1305]

@@OMGAnotherday just because he thinks lock downs are not effective enough and therefore may cause more harm then good does not make him think vaccines are bad. He thinks for himself

[@andhi100]

How is there any question, Sweden have fewer deaths than the UK and still have their freedom.

[@andhi100]

@Mr Brightside except, none of that mattered

[@morlidor]

@Mr Brightside A more simple reason is that english peoples health were worse than most europeans because of eating too much fatty unhealthy fried food. Thats the reason english people died in droves, not the virus.

[@morlidor]

Not crap but maybe an oversimplification. No doubt that british people eat more crapfood than most europeans and that obesity in britain is worse than in most other european countries thanks to far too much fried food like fish and chips.

[@morlidor]

@Mr Brightside 4 percent more obese people in the UK means that there are a few millions more obese people there than in Sweden. Also the UK has a lot of people living in worse living conditions thsn Swedes. Comparing with Finland and Germany that uses other wsys than Sweden to describe what people died of or with is kinda uselesdm

[@morlidor]

​@Mr Brightside Living conditions in the UK is generally worse than in Sweden. And the food is generally worse. I have lived in both of these countries so I know. Working conditions is also worse in the UK and air pollution. Not saying Sweden is paradise on earth but generally better when it comes to quality of life than most countries.

[@janethuck3647]

Wished I lived in Sweden then and now

[@johnpatrick2292]

Hi 👋🏻

[@jacqimichaels]

I cannot thank you enough for this honest civilized interview. You give me faith in journalism and mankind.

[@martins_kreicis]

I'm fascinated how the conversation in society has moved so quickly to vaccines and 'scientific' interventions, totally ignoring the obvious - messed up metabolic health of most populations, which probably explains the differences in deaths in Scandinavia too .. at least partially. Nice channel and brilliant interviewing skills. Thanks.

[@annelbeab8124]

Thx for this comment. I m flabbergasted as well and it's a bit sad that an epidemiologist doesn't even mention human biology. We keep talking about the pathogen and the magic pill. Health is made up of more than avoiding pathogens. We take a life averse approach that must backfire in the long run.

[@martins_kreicis]

@@annelbeab8124 Thank you too, now I don't feel lonely in my thoughts. I stooped listening to any C19 guru professors who don't even mention the role of innate immunity and its connection to diet and lifestyle ... no point to waist time with some pseudo-scientifically-metaphysical speculation IMHO. Keep well my friend and stay happy! :))

[@carolanderson8203]

Hello! Thank you for posting this. I have been disturbed by the grand scale omission of human biology, our immune systems, health , especially the direct relation of what we consume, to our health and vitality. We are the organism, and the environment , in the grand scheme of things. I don't know how to explain myself better right now ( tired brain) so I hope you get what im trying to say! 🙂 Take care x

[@annelbeab8124]

@@carolanderson8203 you made yourself very well understood

[@martins_kreicis]

@@carolanderson8203 Absolutely, thanks a lot Carol. Keep fit and happy .. and have a good rest :))

[@MrChezyoung]

Sweden got it right. Trust the people and society will benefit in the long run.

[@mulllhausen]

australian here. i admire this guy for his love of liberty in certain aspects

[@jchanning72]

Disappointing interview performance from Johan, he seemed very down trodden. Johan got some things wrong, but the basic premise - follow conventional theory, advise rather than enforce through law are still valid and important points. Plus, in my view, his predictions were better than he gives himself credit for.

[@monky_dust]

Yes!!

[@liner011f7]

No question, Sweden was a success.

[@rosieatkinson9194]

The only reason there haven’t been more protests is because everyone on furlough has had a lovely time and don’t want to go back to work.

[@johnlewis5330]

@@rosieatkinson9194 You are so right. With printed money dont forget.

[@xylemrays671]

It hasn’t, you’re an idiot if you think that.

[@Matsoni85]

NOT

[@xylemrays671]

@David Fallaha I have no idea where you got any of that information, the damn interview says they got it wrong by means of data? How did you interpret anything else?

[@davidtaylor7477]

I’m afraid he lost me when he said children should be vaccinated, it’s still in trials until 2023 and he wasn’t challenged on this. It’s an evil idea as children aren’t affected by covid.

[@charlesgroen6820]

Overall we would have been much better off had we followed the policies of Johan Giesecke. You must focus on deaths from other diseases which had been neglected, lost jobs, mental illness, problems with remote learning etc, You must have the proper perspective of the big picture before looking at any subgroup including Covid.

[@hilding2063]

I disagree, take away all restrictions in a democracy it is none of states business to run the life of free citizen! In a democracy the politicians are employees and not rulers!

[@CitizenLUL]

Love it that you met up with Giesecke again one year later :)

[@AANasseh]

Would have loved to hear the actual per capita cost of managing the pandemic in Sweden compared to the US. We've spent trillions of dollars here in the US. I wonder what the economic cost has been in Sweden.

[@TomTricx]

So low that our politicians decided that they could afford to send an extra 15 Billions EUR to the EU, apparently (being sarcastic here)!

[@AANasseh]

@@TomTricx Why did they send 15 billion to EU? Economic aid?!

[@zengjanezhu]

If one compare lockdown versus non lockdown countries, one has to look at the consequence of the lockdown in addition to the death from covid.

[@lulunz6809]

Well I am in NZ and we are doing exceptionally well aren't we. And before anyone says we are isolated, people need to get real. 3.5 hour flight from Australia is quicker than some of the major countries travel inland. We lived in a global economy so had people from all over the world travelling here and living here. One month stay at home as we have done exceptionally well.

[@zengjanezhu]

@@lulunz6809 according to one Stanford study regarding lockdown cost and benefit, the only place where lockdown comes ahead besides country like China, is island. So in the US, Hawaii was more successful than other state. It is easier to control the flow of the citizens if the only route in and out is through air travel. Otherwise, lockdown prolong the whole pandemic without much benefit, of course unless a government can do what China is doing, locking people inside their own home.

[@lulunz6809]

@@zengjanezhu The method of what is considered a "lockdown" varies across the world which in itself, causes a false impression of what countries did. Compliance is another variation which affects the data when it comes to outcome of a "lockdown". The US had president who was an idiot. The UK wasn't much better. Where states and countries valued money over lives and where countries weren't willing to invest in protecting their citizens by supporting families to stay home, led to deaths. What we did was put lives first. Economy second which worked. We diversified. The means for working from home and continuing education from home has been available for a decade at minimum for so many jobs. Essentials such as food, healthcare and care for people who were isolated or disadvantaged was prioritised, as did mental health support options. Attitude was everything. People whose work stopped during the pandemic e.g airline workers etc, took the many jobs that became available because of the pandemic e.g. delivering online shopping orders. There was work. Our employment rates now are at their lowest. No country is perfect and yes there is debt. It was worth it though? Yes. There are worse things than staying at home. We aren't teenagers.

[@lulunz6809]

@@zengjanezhu The so called "lockdown" only went for a month and we could still see and talk to people. We just did it carefully and made sure we protected each other because it wasn't worth the risk. I couldn't live with the knowledge I may have caused someone to have severe health complications or even die. I couldn't. So I didn't put myself in that position.

[@zero5xo]

@@lulunz6809As of right now one case and the whole country goes into lockdown? If a person is okay with a government controling your life to such an extent then I guess it's a good strategy, but especially this far into "life with covid" that seems like an absolute failure. No wonder the Lord's of the rings production team left to film in the UK, New Zealand is not a good place to do international business right now.

[@cytone101]

Why no discussion of the yearly mortality stats in Sweden. 2020 was nothing exceptional. You only have to go back to 2015 to find the same death rate.

[@jmolofsson]

It was exceptional. These are the numbers of deaths per year: 2001 --> 93,752 2002 --> 95,009 2003 --> 92,961 2004 --> 90,532 2005 --> 91,710 2006 --> 91,177 2007 --> 91,729 2008 --> 91,449 2009 --> 90,080 2010 --> 90,487 2011 --> 89,938 2012 --> 91,938 2013 --> 90,402 2014 --> 88,976 2015 --> 90,907 2016 --> 90,982 2017 --> 91,972 2018 --> 92,185 2019 --> 88,766 2020 --> 98,124

[@0sael0]

@@jmolofsson lol... now adjust it based on population

[@MrTorbenAnd]

Wow, I looking forward for this one. For me this was my start of unheard. Brilliant and I'm looking forward for both complex and straight answers to questions related to covid-19.

[@MT-ys7nh]

U might like to delve into the following: *‘’Blood Clots & Beyond’’…Prof Suckarit Bhakdi i kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqqzm3Scg7N0Y7c *6 Covid False Narratives - ‘PANDA’ (Data & Analytics) co-founder Nick Hudson, * explains the ugly truth about COVID-19, which is that the world is being needlessly crippled by fear due to a false narrative * using live data and open science to empower the public to exercise freedom of choice and preserve free societies. www.pandata.org/time-to-reopen-society/ TIME TO REOPEN SOCIETY ! *Inflated Covid Cases & Fatalities Litigious Steps In US. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jarSiYVraKp2fLc Global Pattern? • Irish MSM Misleading Public & Manipulating Covid Data? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZukqndugdSsg9E

[@shoulderthelion-film9895]

Dude, hats off to you for your patience as you were interviewing the biggest one-sentence-answer guy on the planet.

[@JB-rz1dr]

Great interview but unfortunate how defeated Giesecke sounds. Wish he would stick to his original principles.

[@Medhead101]

Something tells me this guy will be correct and vindicated!

[@matsv201]

Well.. sort of.. He was clearly wrong about something, but for most of the outstanding things he is very probobly right,. I been digging throw a ton of data, and i would say the date to prove him right is already here

[@financialninja3180]

Looks like it… This interview was pre delta… All the countries that seemed to have done well back then are now going through record high surges. I think we should wait till 2023 or 2024 when the pandemic is over and the disease becomes endemic! I have no doubt in my mind that Dr. Geiscke will be vindicated!!

[@rh2776]

A master class of interviewing, thanks Freddy

[@OMGAnotherday]

Agree!

[@deanlgreen]

Intelligent, respectful and informative discussion, somewhat of a rarity these days. Thank you, from Australia.

[@ivan.tucakov]

"We have talked about the adverse effects of vaccines, but we haven't talked that much about the adverse effects of lockdown"

[@CANFilms1]

Quite! I am concerned about the suggestion on this video that "Ferguson was right and Tegnell was wrong on the science"? Really? 🤔 Watch this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJrCqoiVnK1_maM

[@pollutingpenguin2146]

There are also a difference between dying with and because of covid. If you test the entire population you’ll find more cases, but just because someone was positive for covid when they died, doesn’t mean they died because of it. The destruction of lockdowns can never be justified - killing and harming people deliberately to safe others, more older and fragile people.

[@prabashwayne7088]

Yeah well Sweden only reports dead BECAUSE of covid. That's why there is a two week delay in reported deaths.

[@pollutingpenguin2146]

@@prabashwayne7088 Yes and they have no excess deaths in 2020. The UK has a lot of deaths, but they mark down everyone who has died with a positive Covid test with as a Covid death.

[@prabashwayne7088]

@@pollutingpenguin2146 Excess death is not a good marker for the success of restrictions though. And if it is - Regardless of what Tegnell says, Sweden has a ridiculously low population density and a relatively healthy population - our excess deaths should be in the negatives like our neighbours, not in the ranks of fucking Belgium and UK.

[@pollutingpenguin2146]

@@prabashwayne7088 why on earth should they be in the negatives when they haven’t locked down? That doesn’t make any sense at all. I also doubt many would regard the British or Belgian health systems for being terrible. What seems to have mattered the most have been the build up of old and frail people because previous mild flu seasons and less to do with any action any government has taken. Most countries have had about 50% of their deaths occur in care homes, which are the ones we should have protected, but failed to despite if lockdown entire nations.

[@prabashwayne7088]

@@pollutingpenguin2146 But that's the thing - all other Scandinavian countries did have their excess mortality in the negatives. Sweden is thus the only Scandinavian country to have an actual excess mortality during the pandemic, and also, coincidentally happens to be the only Scandinavian country that didn't go into a lockdown. And about Belgium and England - there is nothing wrong with the English or Belgian (tbf. Not very knowledgable in that) health care system, but the fact remains that sweden is different from those two countries demographically, geographically and economically. So it's weird that we're happy about having an excess mortality lower than those countries, when our direct neighbours fared so much better. It's sort of like being proud about having a lot of mothers die during childbirth in Sweden, just because it's better than the numbers in Nigeria. It doesn't make sense considering the circumstances.

[@MarkKap]

"One thing you learn in the first year of specialization is that you never vaccinate during an epidemic because the virus will react by mutating" ---dr. Luigi Garavelli

[@hurmur9528]

Scary thought. But that is what we are doing during flu season. But as Luigi says they also mutate. On the other hand flu is very good at mutate.

[@sstansm7f]

@@hurmur9528 vaccination as a rule before the flu season.

[@paddle_shift]

One thing you learn about specialization is that you only learn one thing.

[@jbu89gb]

@Futures What are you basing that on?

[@Emm.Jaycee]

@@paddle_shift I bet that sounded *really* clever in your head.

[@benmarcus4646]

A few point not discussed: PCR test reliability and manipulation. Vaccine immunity vs natural immunity. Risk vs benefit analysis for vaccines in low risk (mortality and/or hospitalization) demographic. Therapeutics for infected individuals, early treatment and hospitalized patients.

[@leonpetersen7346]

yes exactly.....and not much made of the fact that death per million WAY better than the UK. This is what matters, not so? Since PCR tests are absolute rubbish, which is agreed by all, but still used to determine "infection".

[@doraymeandyou]

I think the numbers vary such because each country just puts out whatever numbers suit their political agenda each week.

[@GeorgeK654]

Neil Ferguson’s model assumed an IFR close to 1%. Prof Ioannides has just released a study that suggests the IFR is 0.15%. So, Ferguson was off by an order of magnitude.

[@hunniepots8062]

Link to the paper? the only thing i saw was a preprint using data from before july 2020. If the IFR is only 0.15%, how to explain the countries where over 0.2% of their population has already died from covid, such as Czechia, Hungary, Bulgaria. It would have to be at least 0.2% assuming every single person had already been infected and that there was herd immunity there. The current values being used by the cdc is 9% for 65+, 0.6% for 50-64, 0.05% for 18-49 and 0.002% for under 17. The total population IFR would depend on the demographics. see www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

[@GeorgeK654]

@@hunniepots8062 YT won’t let me link to the study... but here’s the title for you to do a search... Reconciling estimates of global spread and infection fatality rates of COVID‐19: An overview of systematic evaluations

[@marcelomaresca3161]

N.F. should be fired right away

[@bd9531]

Ioannides... lol

[@GeorgeK654]

@@bd9531 lol? Here are the 35 Awards & Honors that have been bestowed upon this world renowned epidemiologist: 1. Elected member, National Academy of Medicine (2018-) 2. Einstein fellow, Berlin Institute of Health, Einstein Stiftung and Stiftung Charite (2018) 3. Epiphany Science Courage Award, Novim (inaugural award) (2018) 4. Elected Councilor, Association of American Physicians (2017-2022) 5. Elected member, Association of American Physicians (2009-) 6. President, Society for Research Synthesis Methodology (2009-2010) 7. Elected fellow, European Academy of Cancer Sciences (2010-) 8. Elected member, American Epidemiological Society (2015-) 9. Elected member, European Academy of Sciences and Arts (2015-) 10. European Award for Excellence in Clinical Science, European Society for Clinical Investigation (2007) 11. Albert Stuyvenberg Medal, European Society for Clinical Investigation (2020 (award ceremony 2021)) 12. Chanchlani Award for Global Health, McMaster University (2017) 13. David-Sackett-Preis, Deutsche Netzwerk Evidenzbasierte Medizin (2017) 14. Lifetime Achievement Award, Hellenic Society for Pharmacological Science (2016) 15. Medal for Distinguished Service, Teachers College, Columbia University (2015) 16. Honorary PhD, Erasmus University Rotterdam (2015) 17. Honorary PhD (health sciences), University of Athens (2017) 18. Honorary PhD, University of Tilburg (2019) 19. Honorary doctorate (medicine), University of Edinburgh (2019 (award ceremony 2021)) 20. Honorary doctorate, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (2020 (award ceremony 2021)) 21. Litchfield Lectureship, Oxford University (2015) 22. Levine lectureship, Yale (2016) 23. Harris lectureship in science and civilization, Caltech (2016) 24. Snyder Lectureship, University of Utah (2016) 25. Anatomy Lesson lecturer, University of Amsterdam and Academic Medical Center (2016) 26. Annual Distinguished Investigator, University of Connecticut School of Medicine and Health Center (2017) 27. Snively visiting professorship, UC Davis (2017) 28. Gonatas memorial lectureship, University of Pennsylvania (2018) 29. David and Rosemary Adamson Lecture on Excellence in Reproductive Medicine, ASRM (2018) 30. C.R. Stephen lecture, Washington University St. Louis (2019) 31. Gordon Award, National Institutes of Health (2019) 32. Honorary President, Medical and Surgical Society of Corfu (2019) 33. Honorary member, FORTH (2014) 34. Honorary professor (omotimos), University of Ioannina (2014) 35. Executive board member and center director, Human Genome Epidemiology Network (2004-) profiles.stanford.edu/john-ioannidis

[@LuisGarcia-xm6wu]

Let the data prove who was or wasn't right. I'll go with Sweden, the best public health strategy applied in this "plandemic".

[@fndngnvrlnd]

Agree!!!!

[@stockholmsyndrome411]

This man sold his soul to the vaccine mafia

[@j.w.8663]

Very refreshing that he admits his incorrect suppositions, and what was right. And he was generally mostly right. When you consider what other governments said and did, and how they screwed up, they would never admit anything and try and 'excuse and blame' away. Sweden for sure will still come out financially better, and educationally for the kids, better as a country.

[@gerryshaw5430]

I’m glad Freddy finally had this interview. I saw the original interview and have been waiting for this one like no other except the interview with Anders Tegnell which should be coming soon. Well done to Freddy and Dr G for doing this second interview despite not everything turning out as he expected

[@chrisgibson3521]

I would like to see you interview Dr. McCullough from the University of Texas on the early treatment of covid with existing medications.

[@mattsmusic9361]

His predictions were out by one 100th of a Ferguson.

[@andreafalconiero9089]

What's the magnitude of one Ferguson worth of error in common units? It must be a lot, so I think you're just exaggerating for effect.

[@mattsmusic9361]

@@andreafalconiero9089 I based it on expert modelling.

[@andreafalconiero9089]

@@mattsmusic9361 Oh, that's all right then -- as long as it was _expert_ modelling I'm sure it's accurate.

[@OMGAnotherday]

@@andreafalconiero9089 It was a joke! What’s the matter with you!

[@andreafalconiero9089]

@@OMGAnotherday I think perhaps there's a malfunction in your sarcasm detector. Better get that thing checked...

[@fionawestbury7298]

Lockdowns popular???? NOOOO. Definitely not. Here in Madrid and across Spain we are SICK and TIRED of the restrictions. And we have fewer restrictions than the UK.

[@juliafox52]

How many died FROM the lockdowns? How much suffering?! Why do those deaths and all of the suffering not matter? Why is it only some deaths matter?

[@bociandsussy]

The first interview with him was one of the reasons that made me sign up to UnHerd and have been a follower ever since. Can’t believe it has been a year, seems like it was yesterday, although I was much more optimistic back then, didn’t think I will care so much about this upcoming interview (assumed things will be back to normal by now, silly me...) but here I am now and very much looking forward to it.

[@mariannedonne7494]

Very strange. Has this man been Sílenced?

[@PatsyGoGo]

Looking forward next interview 2022 with Giesecke again. Thank you for your spectacular channel Freddie! Greetings from Helsinki.

[@imeakpan972]

I'm in Nigeria. A country with over 200 million people. We have had no lockdown across the geography of the nation. No social distancing. No masks majority of the time with most people. Only used in banks, airports and government mandated places. But, we have just over 2000 deaths in total from covid. Explain that with your graphs please.