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[@Soteriology101]

There are longer more in-depth exegetical treatments of these passages. Just because I produce a short overview doesn’t mean it’s all the exegetical work that has been done to establish this perspective. That should go without saying but based on many comments apparently it is not: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHixg56BjdxjobM

[@Hermanopepe]

You're still getting the meaning of John 12:32 wrong. The 'All' in that verse means 'ALL'. As in ALL since Adam.

[@chaddonal4331]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo re-read your quotes verse: "I, if I..."

[@gtdadof10]

@@Hermanopepe and you know this how? Have a look at this word, "all", throughout the rest of Scripture. Be certain to search by the original language word transliterated "pas".

[@Hermanopepe]

@@gtdadof10 Are you saying "All" never means "All"?

[@Hermanopepe]

@@gtdadof10 Or maybe I should ask, Who is not going to be drawn to Jesus?

[@tedbates1236]

I am not a Calvinist but I could not have come if the Lord had not drawn me.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

The Lord summons *all* to Him. The unsaved are the ones who *ignore* Him.

[@davidochieng2975]

@@Emper0rH0rde No God calls only those whom he foreknew,those he chose for his glory

[@andrewdescant4996]

@@davidochieng2975 Tulip is unbiblical. Right now I want to focus on perseverance of the Saints. Why? Because knocking out eternal security logically takes out four of the five points. If P falls, then U falls naturally as well, because if God elects unconditionally, then that person cannot choose to leave the faith which God has implanted. If U falls, then L falls as well. I falls as well because if one can resist after salvation, it’s not irresistible. So, eternal security. John 10:28 *I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.* ohh they can’t be snatched......But can they jump? This verse speaks only of someone taking away your salvation, not you yourself walking away from the foot of the cross. Galatians 5:4 *You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law: you have fallen away from grace.* So people fell from grace. Wasn’t that supposed to be irresistible? Guess not. James 5:19-20 *My brothers, if any of you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.* So someone can leave the faith (apostatize) and lose his salvation, thus necessitating being brought back. Some more scriptures then I’ll get to my favorite. Mark 4:16. Revelation 2:4-5. Revelation 2:10. Note that perseverance until death is conditional, not guaranteed. Time for my favorite! 1 Corinthians 9:27 *But i discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.* So, Paul himself says he can be disqualified. What does this mean? Well, let’s look at the Greek word behind “disqualified.” It is translated to “reprobate” EVERY SINGLE TIME it is used except for Hebrews 6:8 (which is speaking about land, not people) and the passage I just cited. So that sheds some light on what the word actually means. When speaking about people, it means apostate. Paul himself said he had the potential to become an apostate. That seals up the case.

[@Xenosaurian]

Noting that he draws every human being, but some oppose him drawing them.

[@andrewdescant4996]

@@Xenosaurian John 6:44 and Romans 1:19-22 are in correlation. Do u agree?

[@regandanielle]

WOW thank you for covering this verse, too! I am only 23, but I have been grappling with Calvinism for over 2 years now. You are the first source I have EVER come across that gives alternative perspectives that make sense, and it gives me hope for not living in doubt about who God really is. Your channel is an answer to many tear-filled prayers. I was starting to not even want to evangelize, because I felt like telling someone that Jesus loves them and died for their sins could really be me just lying to them. Very painful and tumultuous stuff to be thinking. The logic just wasn't adding up. It all is so confusing, when people like Piper are saying that the cross is available to all people, and the offer is genuine. All I could say was, "HOW?!"

[@mackblack5153]

This is the exact dichotomy I was confronted with when I believed in Calvinism!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@bryanhurlbutt9438]

How could you possibly ignore the immediate context in this explanation? Note John 6:37-39 - All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. [38] For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. [39] And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. Effectual calling and eternal security are both clear. ALL given WILL come and he will lose NOTHING of what is given. The doctrines of grace are pretty clear here.

[@allandiaz2830]

They ignoring the context, same happens in v65 and 65 If You read the text carefully you note that Jesus is giving a direct reply to the pharisee. Jesus is addressing the reason of their unbelief, here faith is directly connected to “draw” of the Father 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

@@allandiaz2830 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. correct translation

[@FlamSalad]

And you shall seek me, and find me, when you shall search for me with all your heart.

[@Lukandon]

@AVB2so Israel? Because that’s God’s chosen people. However, not all of Israel seeks Jesus. They reject Jesus.

[@kjb1547]

So a video on John 6:44 has the total length of 6:45? Maybe you should edit the video and trim off one second. 😊

[@ryancduff]

I saw the same thing. So close. lol

[@allentomas3417]

@@ryancduff one second to accommodate for context, sure

[@tacticalfilmfightingacadem9200]

John 4:45 explains how God draws all men (John 12:32 If I am lifted up I will draw ALL men unto me) God teaches with His word. Romans 10:17 Those who respond to the teaching of the word and learn from it will come to Christ. As in Romans 1:19-21 everyone is w/o excuse. Making way too much of this.

[@Hermanopepe]

@@tacticalfilmfightingacadem9200 I think it's possible you're getting the meaning of John 12:32 wrong. The 'All' in that verse means 'ALL'. As in ALL since Adam. Unless you're saying it's all since Adam.

[@claireashley427]

Haha right?

[@jinaforjesus]

I really cannot thank you enough for this content and your channel. My whole world is flipping on its head right now, but I am safe in my Father’s arms. This I know. Thank you, Mr. Flowers. I am learning so much from you and it is setting me free. God bless you, sir.

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@ianthompson31]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689This passage just says that God saved us and called us to live a good and dedicated life, not because of anything we did, but because of His kindness and plan. It emphasizes that our salvation and the call to live a holy life come from God's grace and purpose, not from our own efforts. In other words, God was graceful enough to give us salvation in Jesus christ even though we did nothing to deserve it.

[@msindisi]

Yes. The mistake that is made in the handling of this portion of scripture is that the words “give” and “draw” are taken as synonymous whereas there are two very different concepts. All whom the Father gives to the Son will come. Not all whom the Father draws will come. I used to vehemently hold to Calvinism in my younger years. I used to feel a denial of TULIP was to open the door to a works based salvation, and a denial of the sovereignty of God in our salvation. I would look at John 6 as an obvious proof of the Doctrines of Grace, although the basis of my Calvinism was not from John 6 but Romans 9. Romans 9 was also what later convinced me that my Calvinism was wrong. I was blind to 2 main assumptions that I had made about John 6. Firstly I assumed the nature of the drawing. John says nothing about the drawing being irresistible. Part of the reason that I read it that way because I made “give” and “draw” synonyms. Secondly, John 6 says nothing as to the motive of God’s drawing where as I understood it as being that it was God’s pleasure to save some and not others. It was an assumption based on prior belief. However, these were clear to me because, in my mind Romans 9 clearly set these truths out explicitly. So when my reading of Romans 9 later contradicted my Calvinism, and I repented concerning those beliefs, I no longer had those assumptions which then raised questions about how I had been reading that passage formerly. I think this video does much to challenge assumptions on how that passage has been read. Very clear reasoning that harmonizes that passage with other statements that Jesus makes concerning his heart that all might be saved. May the Lord give us such a heart also.

[@isanna6075]

Great post 👍

[@ah-il9xt]

Appreciate you sharing this... I would be curious to know if you feel differently now that you are not calvinistic in beliefs. Did you see any difference in pride and humility or a change in ability to have compassion? One thing that has greatly troubled me since becoming a member in two different reformed churches over the last decade of my life is how God's love seems to be pushed out and knowledge is more important. This has greatly troubled me. I'm in a season of learning now. I have also seen some very negative characteristics within myself as a result of being part of our first church which was very dogmatic about calvinism. Not saying everyone is this way, but I was very proud about my humility (how crazy!) and that shames me now to think of it and I want the gospel to truly humble me and give me a grateful heart..and the kind of heart towards others that truly loves and shows compassion, the way that Jesus does. God bless!

[@msindisi]

ah 771025 Hi there. I don’t think that is the realm of Calvinism. I think reformed theology tends to be more studious and focussed on formal study because everybody realises the grave responsibility of handling God’s word accurately. But a church that is focussed on social welfare and loving one’s neighbour can just as much be proud of their love and denigrate those who are more theologically minded, as can charismatics concerning their spiritual gifts and there can be a reverse snobbery against those who have “head knowldge.” Those who are feel that they have greater discernment, even anticalvinists, can display such pride, feeling that they are better because they are part of the faithful remnant while they others will deserve what is coming to them. In my view it is just the old man that needs to be mortified, we must decrease and He must increase. But I do think a reading of the 7 churches of revelation is very instructive to evaluating where we are and what we need to hear prophetically from the Lord. The only two churches that didn’t receive a condemnation where those suffering persecution for Christ. Most of us have areas that the Lord wants to work on.

[@ah-il9xt]

@@msindisi Very much appreciate your thoughts and that definitely makes sense. We all struggle with pride.

[@Kman.]

@@msindisi Several great points, and thx for sharing. The cliche that "proud" *NON* Calvinists have been heard chanting about those who "study" the Word is, _"They go down deep, but come up dry"_ . That is all the while they pat t/selves on their backs while out performing righteous deeds, yet most could not get up and stump for 3 minutes on any given doctrine in the bible because they're not Bereans. I'm just saying, that *ALL* of us can be plagued with pride. God help us all.

[@monicawilson896]

Thank you for this short, concise, intelligent and spiritually discerned video.

[@MiracleWhit]

I just had a conversation with a Calvinist who pulled this verse OUT OF CONTEXT to prove total inability. I went through John 6 verse by verse revealing the same content in this video. His answer: You just don’t understand the context of John 6. Go figure. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@trumenfreight6055]

Please demonstrate where we calvinists ignore the context in john 6. Leighton is clearly failing. He did not demonstrate at all where he got the distinction between the drawn, those that come and those that are raised. Please help our Bro. who made this vid and help me too. Reminder, "context" means you stick to the passage under consideration. No jumping to chapter 12 and then saying "context". That is the opposite of "context"

[@thomasthepromise8430]

@@trumenfreight6055, you do understand the Bible wasn't written in chapters and verses? That Jesus didn't pause while living and teaching to say "Chapter 12"? You say alluding to chapter 12 is "the opposite of context", while it's actually the very essence of context.

[@trumenfreight6055]

@@thomasthepromise8430 No sir. That is not context. Jesus did not speak in chapters. This is true, i agree. However Jesus did speak lesson by lesson. Conversation by conversation. John 12 happens somewhere else and is a different context. Same people different time different place. Therefore different context. When christ was giving his speech in John 6 no-one there thought to themselves that they should incoporate something he would say months perhaps years later in order to understand him. Each conversation and teaching has meaning and therefore can be understood by itself. remember that in two different conversations one person may use a word differently. For example "num 23v19" vs "Gen 6v6" Same God speaking through his same prophet, same word (repent) but used differently. This has caused confusion among the atheists that like you do not honor context. Jumping from john 6 to 12 is the very definition of not honoring context. These events are years apart. Christ did not speak in chapters. Neither did he speak continually for years until john 12 in conversation.

[@thomasthepromise8430]

@@trumenfreight6055, I won't argue w/intellectually disingenuous people. What you're proposing is the very definition of eisegesis - reading your thoughts into the text. Jesus is clearly talking about "unbelief" in John 6 & 12. If you can't see how those two discourses tie together, you shouldn't be speaking on biblical matters.

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Notice, @@trumenfreight6055, that Dr. Piper then goes on to incorrectly conclude that "this would mean that the Father only draws some ..." Uh, no sir. If you allow the Text to speak, you'll notice that God draws all men. Period. Thus, His grace CAN be resisted.

[@b.g.3073]

John 6:44 and John 6:65- John 6:44 (NIV): 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6:65 (NIV): 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them." But, John 12:32 and 16:8 shows that God draws all men to Christ. John 12:32 (NIV): 32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” "All people." John 16:8 (NIV): 8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: TO THE WORLD- AS IN: EVERYONE. John 6:35 John 6:40 John 6:47 John 6:35 (NIV): 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. John 6:40 (NIV): 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:47 (NIV): 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. For the Calvinist to claim that God preselecting those (only), and that be the only way to (and for) salvation- it completely contracts John 6:40. John 6:47 (NIV): 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

[@alphablitz1024]

What if God decides to "give" me to Christ (John 6:37)? Is it possible for me to resist God in this? Or, if God "gives" me to Christ, will I "come" to him?

[@SolidRock92]

@@alphablitz1024 Another thing Leighton Flowers leaves out was that. He is such a deceiver. He doesn't mention this either: Draw means "drag" in the Greek. helkó: to drag Original Word: ἑλκύω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: helkó Phonetic Spelling: (hel-koo'-o) Definition: to drag

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@AkeemKN]

@@SolidRock92you left these other definitions out conveniently: Outline of Biblical Usage: -to draw, drag off -metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

[@SolidRock92]

@@AkeemKN Which also supports Calvinism. Thanks.

[@danielneufeld9927]

Thank you Dr. Flowers. You helped me get get out of a Calvinistic pit of despair! Praise Jesus!

[@trumenfreight6055]

Praise Jesus and praise you too for freely choosing to praise Jesus. Lets not rob anyone of their due praise even if its 0.00001% of Jesus' praise.

[@allentomas3417]

@@trumenfreight6055 you flipped your silly nut, many times over

[@freegraceau]

@@trumenfreight6055 if someone gives you twenty bucks do you praise yourself for taking it?

[@trumenfreight6055]

@@freegraceau if it is wise to take that twenty bucks then i have wisdom and wisdom is to be praised. Wisdom belongs to the giver and to the receiver in this case. Were he a fool he would not take that money. Wisdom deserves more praise than folly does. Therefore the one who receives the money wisely is worthy of praise.

[@freegraceau]

@@trumenfreight6055 you’re twisted.

[@TheTrinityDelusion]

Calvinists like James White can't make up his mind whether God gave them to Jesus or whether Jesus himself chose them. But he seems oblivious to his contraditions. All these people in John 6 were hearing the words of the Father at that very moment. How does White miss this? Jesus never spoke from himself but spoke the words of his Father. He tells us so many times. This is how the Father draws people which is why Jesus immediately also says, "It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to me." And in John 6 they all WERE being taught by the Father because they were hearing the words of the Father through Jesus whose teaching was not his own but the Father's (see Jn 7:16-18).. Some hear and learn from God and these come to His son Jesus. Some hear but just never learn. White demonstrates he has not learned.

[@dyklai]

Moses raised up the bronze snake in the desert and was drawing the attention of all Israelites to look upon it to be healed, but only those who had faith and believed in his word did look and were healed. So, despite of the desperate situation not everyone would concede. It is the true teaching of scripture throughout history and is consistent from OT to NT because God never changes , the just shall live by faith. So choose blessings and not curse.

[@JesusProtects]

I'm not very smart, but, I don't think drawing someone to you imply that they will listen to you. They are drawn, you give them your message and tell them to follow you, but the ultimate decision is theirs, they are the ones that need to think about it and decide if they trust me/ have faith in me or not and then follow. I don't think this is that hard? I'm I crazy? maybe I'm missing something?

[@TheOverlapLifewithTimBarber]

Thank you! You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink.

[@katiefaith5381]

Thanks...well said

[@vaughnlipman9804]

I’d have to disagree with this video because while it does consider Jesus statements in other situations, it fails to consider his complete sayings in John 6. When I read John 6 in its entirety, I see this: “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” Therefore the Jews were grumbling about Him, because He said, “I am the bread that came down out of heaven.” They were saying, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does He now say, ‘I have come down out of heaven’?” Jesus answered and said to them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:37-45‬ I pray that any presuppositions I may have would be left behind whenever I read controversial texts like these and I always see the same thing, that ALL that the Father gives Jesus will come to Jesus, and that no one will come unless the Father draws him. Therefore those who the Father draws WILL come to Jesus. I see the doctrine of election and God’s redemptive work for the elect as hinging on the very nature of God himself, that he does nothing in vain and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work to complete the same will.

[@zzzubrrr]

This is a difficult text to understand, and i'm still undecided on it. But notice following: "All that the Father GIVES Me WILL come to Me". those who the Father GIVES --> WILL come "No one CAN come to Me unless the Father who sent Me DRAWS him". So in other words, those who the Father DRAWS --> CAN come So perhaps He draws more people than He gives? Who does He give? Could it be that He gives those according to His will - "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life"?

[@TheTrinityDelusion]

Calvinists suppose Jesus is referring to an ability to believe a preached message. He isn't but Calvinists really don't care what Jesus means. They have their creedal idol to serve. For them, Jesus always means whatever their fleshly desires what him to mean. And everyone else is expected to pretend this is not the case.

[@emf49]

The more I learn about Calvinism, the more it seems to resemble a cult since cults are notorious for re-interpreting scripture and giving it a completely different meaning.

[@connorsmith764]

I appreciate your work Dr Flowers and I'm sure you are a much finer scholar than me, but I would say it's dangerous to force a meaning into a text that simply isn't there. I'm not a "calvinist" per se, however I do have to say that to rebrand this to mean "enable" or "grant" just simply ignores the meaning of the word. The root Greek word used for draw, 'helko', does not mean this anywhere in scripture. Rather, it is used in other places regarding drawing a sword (John 18:10), and often going even further away from 'enabling' and meaning to actually 'drag' someone, as in James 2:6 (dragged into court). To 'draw' is also used in a term of a sexually affectionate 'drawing' in Song of Solomon 1:4 (In Septuagint)- this in no way means to enable. I am admittedly a bit of fence-sitter on matters like soteriology, but I'm not keen on twisting language to try and fit it into a particular theological camp. Rather, we should sometimes accept there are problem passages in our dogmatic positions at times.

[@Soteriology101]

Connor Smith From Thayers: metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας... ἑλκουσης ἐπὶ ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπὸ τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Aelian h. a. 6, 31; likewise 4 Macc. 14:13; 15:8 (4 Macc 15:11). trahit sua quemque voluptas, Vergil, ecl. 2, 65); πάντας ἑλκύσω πρὸς ἐμαυτόν, I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all, John 12:32. Cf. Meyer on John 6:44; [Trench, § 21, Compare: ἐξέλκω.]

[@mcgragor1]

Even if "enable" can be used, does it really change anything? If you have to enable something, then it wasn't enabled before.

[@connorsmith764]

@@Soteriology101 In addition, I think your interpretation of Jn 12:32 goes off in a different direction too, as that, in my opinion, is referring to the inclusion of Gentiles. Really what Jesus is saying there is 'I will draw all-peoples/nations to myself'- meaning there is no Jew nor Greek etc (Gal 3:28) anymore in Christ. His work of salvation will draw people from every nation. Not literally to draw all human beings despite their hearts and all will come, like some sort of universalist salvation doctrine. It is a specific answer to the Greeks, that they'll be able to approach him just as freely as the original covenant people.

[@scottspeig]

As a fellow fence-sitter, I'm currently in Wayne Grudem's camp Election is God's supreme choice, and only the elect are saved. We have to choose to believe in Christ, and only believers are saved. How these marry together, I do not know. What I do know, is that they are both true statements. Personally, I think the biblical arguments are weighted to the Calvanist's side, yet there are the choice passages that exist in scripture too. Wayne Grudem, in using an analogy from Shakespeare (Who kills the king in Macbeth?) points out that Macbeth is fully responsible for killing the king, yet Shakespeare is also responsible for killing the king. While this analogy is flawed (fictional), God is infinitely more wise than I and so it could be possible that God's election, and our choice are both responsible for salvation.

[@jorgegaviria5807]

Very well said. Respectful yet truthful. I agree with you 100%. I'm not a scholar but I do love to study the Word and you expressed exactly what I was thinking as was watching the video.

[@dougdozier8782]

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught of God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me. - John 6:44-45 The "him" that is drawn is the same "him" that is raised up. It cannot be those that are drawn that may or may not be raised up on the last day. Also the vs.45 gives you the answer to those that are drawn. They are those that have been taught by the Father. Those that have been taught come. This is not generic

[@leonardu6094]

The person Christ says he will raise on the last day is the one who comes to him. He does not say everyone drawn will come to him. The person who is raised is the person who comes.

[@dougdozier8782]

@@leonardu6094 it says "no one can come." They cannot come unless they are drawn. If they are drawn they will come. The "him" that is drawn is the same person "him" that is raised up on the last day.

[@leonardu6094]

@@dougdozier8782 //If they are drawn they will come. // What verse say this? The "him" raised on the last day is the person who comes to God (Believes in him). There is NOTHING that says everyone drawn will come. Stop reading into the verse. Verse 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day." The person raised on the last day is the person who comes to Christ. Christ is just saying that whoever comes to Christ is drawn. He is NOT saying all that are drawn must come to Christ. Big difference.

[@dougdozier8782]

@@leonardu6094 no, they come because the Father has given them to the Son All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. - John 6:37

[@leonardu6094]

@@dougdozier8782 You've really gotta do a better job at exegesis. The people the father gives to the son are those who put their trust (believe) in him. "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40) For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” Jesus says he will raise those the father has given him on the last day. Then he continues in verse 40 and says everyone who believes in the father will be raised up on the last day. That's the same group!!!

[@shaunrobertson3828]

Charles Spurgeon was once asked, "How do you reconsile God's sovereignty with man's responsibility?" to which he replied " I don't reconsile friends." Look to Jesus and you will be saved, whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved , by faith trust in the finished work of Jesus on the cross and be ye saved.

[@Xenosaurian]

Spurgeon spoke a lot of nice-sounding nonsense. Sure, God's sovereignty and man's responsibility may go together in actuality, but when the question is asked in reference to Spurgeon's calvinistic views, they are obviously not friends and cannot exist simultaneously.

[@CleanWithConfidence]

Regardless of how you interpret this passage the end of the video is actually inaccurate. “Mankind” cannot respond until they hear the Gospel. It is through the preaching of the Gospel people believe. Millions of people over the last 2,000 yrs died never having ever heard about Christ. Consequently, they died in their sin. The best the Arminian can say is God gave “some” an “opportunity” to be saved. Calvinists say God “guaranteed” the salvation of “some.”

[@labsquadmedia176]

Such a clear, helpful explanation. It really is good news.

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

1:37 why is nobody asking the obvious question about what Jesus is talking about when he says “This is why I told you..”? Don’t you think knowing what Jesus is referring to would help us better understand verse 65 instead of substituting in ‘party invitation’ metaphors?? Look up the words Jesus spoke right before this verse to understand what Jesus is talking about, conveniently Leighton leaves it out though it is key to understanding it since Jesus explicitly refers to it in His teaching.

[@SolidRock92]

@@toughbiblepassages9082 He also leaves out the actual meaning of the Greek word for "draw" which means "drag". So he is simply twisting the Scriptures. helkó: to drag Original Word: ἑλκύω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: helkó Phonetic Spelling: (hel-koo'-o) Definition: to drag

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@gvillemusic7610]

You never examined the full context of any of the verses that you quoted. People use the same word or phrase to mean something different in a different context all the time. That's just how we speak. There would be no way to know if a sentence outside of John 6 related to John 6 without examining those context but you didn't do it. I would definitely argue that none of those versus outside of John 6 had anything to do with what Jesus was saying in John 6 The context of John 6 determines what is said in John 6. Not the context in John 5 or the context in john 17 or anywhere else. That's just basic reading isn't it?

[@Christian.Portugues.Francisco]

I agree on that. It´s like he don´t care about the arguments that are provided against those verses he is quoting . Not really honst as far as i can see on this topic.

[@ryanwall5760]

Actually, no. Remember the chapter designations are not original to the text. Going down to other passages, especially when Jesus directly references the previous use of the exact word he’s about to use is the ONLY proper way to interpret it. Also for one to be an irresistible draw and the very next to be a general draw is so convenient that it warrants major justification for the meaning change. That is not basic reading, that’s basic reading in to.

[@quentoncollins8861]

Not allowing scripture to interpret scripture is incredibly bad hermeneutics. Without doing this the scene in heaven at Revelation chapter 4 you wouldn't be able to relate to Old Testament symbolism because "Revelation 4 context determines what is said in Revelation 4". Not to mention you're isolating scripture potentially out of context by your methods. Like the above poster said; there was no chapters and verses in the original writings.

[@oracleoftroy]

I find it awkward when people try to use John 12: 32 to disprove John 6: 44. What are we supposed to take away from this? John couldn't remember what he had previously said and contradicted himself? Jesus misspoke and is retracting his prior statement? What about John's own explanation of what Jesus said in John 12: 33 "He said this to show by what kind of death he was going to die." Not to make a soteriological point concerning the Father's drawing or to contradict his earlier teachings, but a statement about his death. And everyone just ignores that in chapter 6 it is the Father doing the drawing, but in 12 it is the Son, so the option of two different drawings must also be dealt with. And even if John 12: 32 is about the Father's drawing, why should one brief verse trump Jesus' extended discussion throughout John 6 where several versions of the same idea are repeated in various nuanced ways? What if instead we are supposed to recall John 6 to better understand what Jesus means in John 12? I don't think Christians should throw the consistency of scripture under the bus to disprove Calvinism.

[@jaygee2187]

oracleoftroy there’s no inconsistency between John 6:44 and 12:32. Before the crucifixion no man can come to Jesus unless drawn by the Father. After the crucifixion Jesus draws all men to Himself. The gospel of Jesus Christ was a future event in John 6:44; the only way to know of its forthcoming was to learn of God by reading the OT, taking in what God taught. After the crucifixion the evidence was no longer of a future event, but present and past, Jesus was His own evidence.

[@allentomas3417]

yeah, orcoltrophy

[@oracleoftroy]

@@jaygee2187 I don't personally buy that explanation, I think the foreshadowing of communion in John 6 ties in with the Church and unites it with the temple ceremonies as shadows that Jesus was presently fulfilling and would ultimately fulfill at the cross and so makes it awkward to bifurcate the Bible into Jewish parts and Christian parts, but I appreciate that your take does actually provide a bridge between the two passages that doesn't immediately throw the consistency of scripture under the bus, so thank you. I think too often people look for zinger verses that disprove the other side but never get around to showing a positive case for how they fit together.

[@Hermanopepe]

@@oracleoftroy & also @Jay Gee, I think it's possible you're both getting the meaning of John 12:32 wrong. I think this verse is not talking about people getting saved. The 'All' in that verse means 'ALL'. As in ALL since Adam, not all men since the cross. Unless you're saying it's all since Adam.

[@oracleoftroy]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo That's a strange reading. The commas are used to clarify the condition, it doesn't remove the subject. Remove the clarification and it is pretty obvious: "And *I* ... will draw all peoples to Myself." I is plainly the subject. Some translations make this even clearer by unnecessary repeating the subject, for example, e.g CSB: "As for *me,* if I am lifted up from the earth *I* will draw all people to myself."

[@joshnelson3344]

Regarding what was said at the 2:00 mark…what about John 6:37 “All that the Father give to me, WILL come to me…”?

[@SpielbergMichael]

Another great incisive articulate powerfully clear teaching! Praise Jesus!

[@SolidRock92]

Except he left out the definition of "draw" which means "drag" helkó: to drag Original Word: ἑλκύω Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: helkó Phonetic Spelling: (hel-koo'-o) Definition: to drag Also he left out the part about the Father giving a people to the Son - John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."

[@SpielbergMichael]

@@SolidRock92 Hello there, May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly. This is a very short mini video from a series of mini videos. But he has many hour long, and multiple 2 hour long videos on this exact passage where he goes into much more detail, including the possible meaning of “drag”. Please do watch those longer videos. This video is just a brief taster. I also urgently recommend to you not only those videos but also videos by Kevin Thompson on this exact same passage. He has a KZbin channel called Beyond The Fundamentals. ----------- Just a brief word about “drag”. If it really meant that, then why don’t ANY Bibles ever translate it as drag? If it meant drag then it would make you a universalist because it would mean Jesus said: “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will **DRAG** all people to myself.”” ‭‭John‬ ‭12‬:‭32‬ ‭ESV But I really recommend the long videos on this passage which go into much more detail. Wishing you the very, very best. ------ “The doctrine of Total Depravity… may thus turn Christianity into a form of devil-worship." - C.S. Lewis - The Problem Of Pain, pp. 28-29 Famous Calvinist A. W. Pink wrote: “God loves the elect and hates the reprobate.” Calvinism teaches that God hates most people. John Calvin wrote: “God created them for destruction.”

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@bntaft5133]

Thank you, Leighton.

[@JustReadTheBible]

BSF is John this year. I knew right away I had to look you up when I got stuck on this verse. THANK YOU 🙏🏻

[@Nyagrafalls10]

I’m right there with you 🤗

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

2 Timothy 1:8-9

[@JustReadTheBible]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 yes, he called us ❤️ Tragically, some don’t respond to the call. God bless you in mercy and truth!

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

@@JustReadTheBible When was the grace of God given to His elect according to that passage?

[@JustReadTheBible]

@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 Jesus died for my sins, and yours. Let’s just agree on that! Be well. 🙏🏻

[@KimDroptiny]

I find it interesting that just as Calvinists harshly critique hyper-Charismatics for using scripture out of context (which they do) - yet the Calvinists do the same! Instead of looking at the full body of the Word of God, they pick individual verses. John 12:32 cannot be separated from John 6, "....I will draw ALL men unto Me....". Thank you Dr. Flowers for explaining things so clearly and humbly.

[@KimDroptiny]

@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Do you not understand that Jesus was talking about his death on the cross? When He was "lifted up" to die. His death and resurrection opened the door for "whosoever will may come". He is continually drawing men unto Himself and men have the choice to follow or stay in pride and unbelief.

[@emanuelkournianos7412]

THE FALL OF ADAM AND RECONCILIATION "Just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned!" Romans 5:12 Adam was created very good, created in God's image and likeness, created with mysterious free will, lived in a perfect paradise, had the Spirit of God, and communed with God! And yet Adam freely chose to disobey God and he fell from grace and the consequence was death or separation from God the source of life! Genesis Chapters 1-3 Like Adam, Christians may also choose to fall from grace! Galatians 5:4 "Jesus went on to say, "I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has ENABLED them!"" John 6:65 GRACE is "God's love working in us" to ENABLE ALL people to be free to receive or reject God's love! Titus 2:11; Philippians 2:12-13; 1 Timothy 2:3-6 The divine order is, Grace > Repentance/Faith > Life in Christ (regeneration at baptism) Jesus is truly God and truly man! The Bible is about the love of Jesus Christ for all! John 1:1-3, 14; 3:16; 1 John 4:8 The riches in Christ are a result of our freely repenting and being faithful to Christ, which we can only do by the love and GRACE of God which is "God working in us!" 1 Corinthians 15:10; Philippians 2:12-13 Jesus says, "I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing!" John 15:5 God loves His whole creation and loves all people and wants all to be saved! 1 Timothy 2:3-6; Colossians 1:15-23; Romans 8:18-23 In love Jesus willingly died for all in order to raise from the dead to conquer death, sin, and the devil for all! This is Christus Victor! Jesus Christ Conquers! Hebrews 2:9, 2:14-15; 1 Corinthians 15:22; Colossians 1:20 God's loving Grace, which works in all who are dead in sin, enables ALL people to freely choose to love God and be saved! John 6:65; 12:32-33; "For the grace of God has appeared that brings salvation to all people!" Titus 2:11 The normal divine order is: 1) Loving Enabling Grace for all! John 6:65; 12:32-33; Titus 2:11 2) Our freedom to repent and be faithful to Christ! Acts 17:30-31 3) Being united and made alive with Christ (regeneration in baptism) Colossians 2:12-13 God foreknew all those who would believe in His Son by God's Grace and God chose and predestined believers IN CHRIST to be like Christ the only chosen One! Luke 9:35 Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:4-5, 13 God did not pre-determine who would believe in Him and who would not! God’s foreknowledge does not cause man’s choices! To freely choose Christ and receive Christ's love for us will be Heaven. To freely reject Christ and Christ's love for us will be the experience of hell! And now God commands everyone everywhere by the GRACE of God to repent! Acts 17:30-31; Romans 1:20 "Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off-for all whom the Lord our God will call.”" Acts 2:38-39 "And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name." Acts 22:16 "Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water (baptized) and the Spirit!" John 3:5 "Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples!" John 4:1-3

[@mememe1468]

Another good place to go is the commentary of St. John Chrysostom. He actually states that the Gnostics taught that this verse is about determinism. Which he obviously calls heresy.

[@evanu6579]

Irene-of-meteora Where specifically did he do that? Thanks and God bless.

[@user-jk2po3cz7d]

And the catholic church cursed justification through faith at the council of trent

[@mememe1468]

Evan U he did it in homily 46 of his work on the book of John. You can find it quite easily on the catholic website , newadvent. I’m not catholic but that’s what I use alot

[@mememe1468]

J Mach I’m not catholic but if you know anything about catholic soteriology they don’t reject justification through faith. They merely reject the Protestant understanding

[@mememe1468]

mineben256 its an appeal to the fathers . You can’t apply Greek rationalism to the spiritual/mystical nature of Christian unanimity. I mean, you’re appealing to not only the authority of God when referencing the Bible but also Paul and whoever.

[@davidjhess1966]

Here's how I "Decalvinize" it. Who were the first people to teach the 'Calvinist' understanding of John 6:44???.....(wait for it)....Yes, it was Gnostic heretics in the 2nd and 3rd centuries!!!! Not the Church, not the theologians and/or apologists of the first 400 years of Church History.

[@JamesPreech]

David Hess I’m not in any way disagreeing with. You have had to learn this through study. Can you recall the source you found this because I would love to add it to my library

[@davidjhess1966]

and I can supply quotes if you'd like.

[@JamesPreech]

David Hess great. I’m always looking for this stuff.

[@davidjhess1966]

Quote #1 - "The Gnostic Manichaeans cited John 6:65, 14:6, and Ephesians 2:1-9 as proof-texts for unconditional election against Christian free choice." Wilson, Ken. The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism (p. 69). Regula Fidei Press, LLC.

[@davidjhess1966]

Quote #2 - "Regarding John 14 and John 6 - Fortunatus the Manichaean also cited John 14:6 to prove unilateral determinism, "No one can come to the Father except through me," since "He chose souls worthy of himself for his own holy will … and were imbued with a faith" (Fort.3). Augustine defended the Christian view by mocking the Manichaean god: "corrupted and worn out I have lost my free choice. You know the necessity that has pressed me down. Why do you blame me for the wounds I received?" (cf., S.12.5, S.100.3). Augustine does not cite these verses until after 412 CE when he uses the Manichaean interpretations to prove his new total inability/incapacity for human faith (Grat.10, C. du. ep. Pel.4.13-16, ep.186.38). Wilson, Ken. The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism (p. 76).

[@drdebbiejackson]

If this is the Calvinistic belief, then how then can a Calvinist preach "free will" is involved at all? If we are compelled, doesn't that mean it's not our choice? I thought that God valued free will so highly that is what allows for wrong choices as well as right ones. How do they get around this pesky free will idea then?

[@kll2220]

Dr. Flowers, the idea that the word "draw" implies that God draws every single individual doesn't seem to make sense to me in the context. In 6:65, which you referenced, Jesus is giving a specific reason for why he said that no one could come to him unless the Father "enabled" him (the ESV says "unless it is granted to him"). The reason is because there were some who did not believe. How would it make sense to say that if every one of them, including the ones not believing, were yet being drawn? Wouldn't he essentially be saying that "Some of you do not believe because God draws every single person to himself"? Maybe the idea of judicial hardening specifically of Israel would be your answer here, but I don't believe you made mention of that specifically with respect to 6:65.

[@Philip3]

@@urfriend919 that's what the text say, Leighton likes to jump around instead of focusing on the chapter

[@brandone.5106]

@@Philip3 yes, because the whole counsel of God is irrelevant right?

[@Philip3]

@@brandone.5106 No that's incorrect. Jumping to different verses that mean something different is bad exegesis

[@buzzbbird]

John 6:43 Jesus, therefore, answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. = John 6:64,65 (the words of Christ repeating what he said above) But there are some of you that believe not. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. Thus, The Father does not permit unbelievers to ''Come To Christ'', only those who DO believe.

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

But those who come to Christ are not unbelievers, it makes no sense what you're trying to say. John 6, 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

[@toughbiblepassages9082]

1:37 why is nobody asking the obvious question about what Jesus is talking about when he says “This is why I told you..”? Don’t you think knowing what Jesus is referring to would help us better understand verse 65 instead of substituting in ‘party invitation’ metaphors instead Jesus’s actual words?? Look up the words Jesus spoke right before this verse to understand what Jesus is talking about, conveniently Leighton leaves it out though it is key to understanding it since Jesus explicitly refers to it in His teaching.

[@KISStheSON...]

Romans 11 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief: 31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. God disciplined Israel BECAUSE of their unbelief that we may obtain mercy through their disobedience...so the gospel/invitation extended beyond his chosen nation and was brought into the world that we might hear it and come to him. Those who humble themselves to his "general call" and hear are called into his grace. He resists calling those who will not hear. Isaiah 28:23 “Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.” 2 Chronicles 34:27 “BECAUSE thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou HEARDEST his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.” Therefore, he called us into his grace and we received his mercy! Praise God! :) He doesn't waste his time "calling" someone into his grace that WILL NOT hear! Hebrews 3:15 “While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.” His "voice' is in his word...many will close off their ears when they hear his word, we must persuade them to take the time to hear that they might become humbled by the TRUTH!

[@NuManXplore]

Great points! Two big points with me that rule out Calvinism. First is that we must compare Scripture with Scripture. While Calvinists have their set passages they allege support their system, they choose to ignore passages of Scripture which make it clear that God has provided a way for all men to be saved. Sadly though the invitation is open to all, not all will not choose to trust Christ. Second is how uncaring, unloving, and cruel God would be if He truly made people to burn in the Lake of Fire just to show His sovereignty.

[@claudecharest7018]

explain me revelation ,about chosen 144000 jews among jews and Paul who doesn't searching God but chosen by God Himself

[@treybarnes5549]

Yes you were much more effective using this format that the 1 hour videos I don’t have time to watch or think about. Hope more calvinist watch this and repent

[@IndianaJoe0321]

MUCH more effective. I REALLY like these shorter, Scripture-filled videos.

[@allentomas3417]

They are nice for making a precise point and also for commenters to engage on a specific topic, sure. Is their any given section of God's word, or a topic that you would like more insight/understanding on?

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Not at all, @@allentomas3417; I already know the Reformed teachings. It's just that many times Dr. Flowers has a topic such this one -- and the video is 50 to 60 minutes (or more!) long. I like things concise & efficient.

[@m1tanker64]

Trey Barnes - repent? Dr. Flowers give me reasons to dig further into sovereign grace! God bless him!

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Calvinism isn't biblical, @@m1tanker64, so yeah -- Calvinists need to make a free-will decision to repent.

[@nicholasdibari9095]

“No man CAN come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.” ‭‭John‬ ‭6:44‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Notice how It says “No one CAN” not “No one WILL” ...by it saying “no on can come to me except the Father draw him” it’s saying you don’t have the ABILITY to be saved apart from God. Calvinist always make this verse sound like “No one will come to my father draw him” implying that there no choice it’s irresistible gracedefines The Greek word for “can” is dynamai which Strongs concordance as “uncertain affinity; to be able or possible” This word is also translated as “be able” or “may/might”

[@Creshex8]

If you CANNOT chose Christ, you WILL NOT choose Christ. I don’t know how you think your explanation can explain this away. Your argument is silly.

[@ryanwall5760]

And you think the Gospel is not God Drawing people? You haven’t actually addressed the point of contention

[@evan7618]

@@Creshex8 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” - John 12:32

[@Creshex8]

@@evan7618 so if all drawn also come…. Are you then a universalist? Is everyone saved?

[@Creshex8]

@Paul Wood John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. The one drawn is the one raised. Yes, those drawn are saved.

[@donnygeorge6593]

Ty this helped my friend Frank

[@thefrontporchpulpit6197]

We all have free will to choose God the Father and Creator in Heaven, and Jesus Christ fulfilled the prophecy on the cross when he said Father why have you forsaken me showing that as a man he still had free will to choose God his Father in Heaven, as Gods Angel's wept for the pain he had to endure. God wants us to choose to love him or the alternative who in Heaven would want to be wearied by hatred, liars, fornicators, adulterers, murderers, theifs, or any deception, slavery, the unfaithful, and unkind, so we have to choose Jesus Christ as our Saviour who is Emmanuel, many will stand at the gate but few will enter. The only way to know God is through his only Begotten Son so choose God and ask him into your life by choosing Jesus Christ to take your sins upon himself for you, the choice is yours.

[@familypage1977]

John 8:33. Man thinks he is not enslaved to anything.

[@thefrontporchpulpit6197]

@@familypage1977 John 8:33 ¶ They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? In this Jesus Christ is speaking of being free from the bondage of your flesh and to be born again of Water and Spirit and to know God the Father again as you did when you were a child before you learned the lusts of the world. Ask Jesus Christ to forgive your sins and ask God the Father and Creator in Heaven and his only Begotten Son, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost into your life seek baptism by water and endure to the end meaning keep your faith and read the Holy Bible to fill your lamp with oil Jesus Christ is the Light to keep you on the straight and narrow path to Heaven, The Word of God is the oil in the lamp to keep it lit. The path to Heaven is surrounded by darkness and is narrow if you stumble off the path it is hard to find again with no oil in your lamp to keep it lit, and many will stand at the gate to Heaven but few will enter.

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

IT'S tragic that so many brothers and sisters can't keep the scriptures in context, especially the New Testament. Those whom Jesus is addressing are The Nation of Isreal, under a covenant of laws. Jesus is sent only to them just prior to the 70th week of years determined on Daniels people, on the earth where they, after the 70TH week- GOD'S WRATH poured out on the wicked on earth- would INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD on earth as promised, including GOD'S Spirit-Eze. 36- eternal life, they will live in peace always there after, etc-as prophesied. Their righteousness at that time was by literally keeping the law per Deuteronomy 6:25 as Moses explained before they crossed over the Jordan, this is instantiated by God throughout the Old Testament and by Jesus (God the Son who emptied himself and put on flesh)throughout MATTHEW, MARK AND LUKE'S ACCOUNTS of his coming from heaven called gospels. Even on how to gain eternal life in these ACCOUNTS, when asked, Jesus responds keep the commandments and live just as all of Israels prophets did throughout the Old Testament. John's account is obviously different. Israel is told that to enter the same earthly kingdom one must be born again- this is consistent with Ezekiel 36 and John 7 where noone could receive the Spirit until a later time. Of course John is not explaining the body of Christ, which Jesus never explained until he commisioned the apostle Paul as is clearly instantiated in his letters. A different covenant, Spiritual birth RECEIVED, ALREADY BROUGHT INTO THE KINGDOM-Col. 1:13; heavenly citizenship- Philippians 3:20; seated in the heavenlies with Christ Eph. 2:6, lives hidden with Christ in God-Col. 3:3, bodies have to be changed to glorious ones TO INHERIT- possess, 1 Corinthians 15:42-54, etc. Paul also explains , as the Old Testament teaches-God speaking to Israel-then after what is presently happening, since the Spirit was first sent after Jesus' RESURRECTION, all Israel will be saved and will inherit their lands or portions on earth along with those national peoples in Matt. 25:31-46 that inherit theirs, again, on earth. This is crystal clear teaching to us if one is rightly dividing or carefully handling GOD'S BREATHED WORDS. The major problem in all congregations I personally have observed for more than 30 years is a mixing of the accounts of Jesus' coming to a people under law and applying that to the body of Christ under grace. THAT HAS DONE IRREPARABLE DAMAGE TO THE BODY OF CHRIST. No wonder unbelievers constantly point out SEEMING CONTRADICTIONS, which anyone who simply knows the differences between the gospels and epistles can easily dispel and explain. I hope this helps my brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@thefrontporchpulpit6197]

@@Rightlydividing-wx1xb nothing but love

[@familypage1977]

@@thefrontporchpulpit6197 Did Jesus tell them to ask Jesus Christ to do as you stated above? Or did He tell them the reason they don't hear is because they are not of God in v.47.

[@jerseycowboy1]

Many are called...few chosen....is it possible God can call whom so ever he wills, but only his elect are chosen. Meaning....Many have a desire to be righteousness or one with God, but they wind up just worldly christian, just following a format of true Christianity, but the few are true Christians.

[@dfelcman]

“You were dead in your trespasses and sins… but God… even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive…” pretty clear in Ephesians 2.

[@domblack6288]

What does being dead in your trespasses mean?

[@redfaux74]

These truths reveal the great loving, holy nature of God. Calvanism destroys it. Great video. ❤

[@redfaux74]

@@thomasdaniel22 - I'm not an Armeniam. But thanks. I believe exactly what the Bible says. I don't throw away verses or erase their meanings. Mt 10:22, 24:13, Mk 13:13 "Those that endure unto the end SHALL be saved." You have no verse that explains what you believe, not even hints the idea of unconditional anything.

[@redfaux74]

@@thomasdaniel22 - Have you ever snatched yourself? Have you ever plucked yourself out of a car? No, you walk out. Snatched is hostile. Pluck is hostile. It is an aggressive verb. We don't need to snatch ourselves. We walk away. Just like Jesus said "Follow me." John 10:28 is almost a direct quote of Deut. God promised them eternal life then also. But it was never unconditional. Never has been. I don't ever cherry pick. I always use context. Anything else is just nonsense. Anyone can make any story out of context.

[@ericbrackenridge7686]

Key words in John 6:44 - can come ...Great video thanks for sharing...God bless

[@elroyswarts513]

To some it up, grace is extended to all, but it CAN BE RESISTED.Resistable grace."'

[@evanu6579]

Paul Michael So the words are Spirit and life. That’s the Gospel my friend. That’s why if God doesn’t want someone to be saved He has to harden them.... Jhn 12: 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Could have these believed had they not been hardened?

[@elroyswarts513]

@@paulmichael5021 That point is made every time Jesus said "WHOSOEVER WILL".I think those statements are in your Bible too.Try reading them, and actually believing them, instead of explaining them away.Note that He never says "whosoever I will enable to will since all are unable to make any kind of decision because their wills are bound,even though I will still hold them responsible for what they could not do in the first place".

[@elroyswarts513]

@@paulmichael5021 Sir what you are saying is true and cannot be denied because it is in the Bible.The question is what are you going to do about all the "whosoever will" statements of the Bible?Are they not also just as true, or do you ignore or repudiate them simply because they are not consistent with Calvinistic theology?When the LORD Jesus was tempted by Satan while He was fasting, Satan came to Him with truths, but these truths were halve truths.That's what both Calvinism and Armeniusm is.They are halve truths.

[@allentomas3417]

i avoid clichés by imputing my own vocabulary to communicate, this is honest mannerism, and shows an ability to think

[@allentomas3417]

and Michael Paul, you go to your room, until the father gets home to learn you a good learning, boy

[@randatatang9222]

The fact that Christ intends to draw all men to himself proves that grace is not irresistible since not everyone believes

[@AllforOne_OneforAll1689]

If God gives the same grace to everyone then it is no longer by grace are we saved.

[@randatatang9222]

​@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 That's because you probably see faith as work which to us non calvinists is what synergism is.

[@allandiaz2830]

@@randatatang9222 If You read the text carefully you note that Jesus is giving a direct reply to the pharisee. Jesus is addressing the reason of their unbelief, here faith is directly connected to “draw” of the Father 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

In the greek text there is no man or people

[@spark7217]

For me the writings of Paul as a whole seem to be Calvinistic. He even uses the words predestined and set apart by God several times.

[@bkahlerventer]

Paul is not calvinistic, calvinists play word games. Nowhere is scripture does predestined means what it means for calvinists. Each term is adjusted craftily away from the bible by a little bit. Combined it is grossly inacurate.

[@spark7217]

Bennie Kahler-Venter Would you please read Romans chapter 9 and Ephesians 1:15? These are a few of the many passages that made me a Calvinist. Also, please give examples and reason why my interpretation is grossly inaccurate when the language and the context of the scriptures seem to point to Calvinism. Thanks

[@bkahlerventer]

@@spark7217 I've read the entire Romans several times over. And calvinism seems correct on the surface. Once you get to the implications of the calvinist beliefs, it gets really unbiblical. For instance where in scripture does it SAY that if man has free will then God has no sovereignty? Where in scripture does it SAY anybody is elect to salvation? Where in scripture does it say all men are totally depraved and 100% unable to respond to the gospel even if it is preached to them unless they are regenerated so that they can listen.

[@kevinsBiblicaldiscussions]

@@spark7217 the Bible said that we are predestined to be conformed into the image of Christ that doesn't mean it was predestined who would come to Christ that is an assumption made by calvinist interpretation.

[@bkahlerventer]

@@timffoster I do not reject scripture, just constantine, calvin, and the 5 aspects of TULIP all wich are unbiblical... I lived it until I was 35 years old. Its all rubbish. Scripture is really simple, you need a theologian to make it as complicated as calvinism.

[@udaman1970]

The word unless introduces a condition. In order for the main clause to be negated the condition must be met. In this case "No one can come to Me" can only be negated if the the condition of being drawn by the Father is met. The condition implies that there are some who are not Helkō = drawn, otherwise the statement would be totally meaningless. Also, enabled is not even in helkō's sematic range. Jesus's statement in John 12:32 was prompted by the arrival of the Greeks who were seeking Him. The NIV, ESV, NKJV and NRSV all translate it draw all people (not individuals) to myself. To conclude I guess you can "De-Calvinize" John 6:44 if you want to redefine words and totally ignore grammar.

[@lovegod8582]

God sends out the invitation (draws) to all. Those who come to him (accept the invite) are raised up (come into the party).

[@udaman1970]

@@lovegod8582 where in the context of chapter 6 does it say that?

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

John 12:32 the word "men" is not in the greek !

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

not a Calvinist but "I will *enable all men to myself"? I dont see how the usage of compel to discredit spares this usage of "enable"... does it mean "I will invite/grant everyone to myself once Im raised"?

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

@macolyis This is an in-house discussion. I dont equate his line of reasoning with a lack of salvation/regeneration. Like I said, I myself am not a Calvinist, but just wanted to know how it is reconciled from his perspective..

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

@macolyis...but he doesnt do it in a vacuum as if he's making it up; he uses John 6:65 (Jesus' own words) to clarify what is meant in v44. He's not changing it.

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

@macolyis So with the sheep analogy, I dont equate you going to get the sheep (drawing) with granting him to come to you ("They're granted bc they're drawn"). In order to play devil's advocate, how do you interpret "I will draw all men to myself"?

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

@macolyisjust as you can accuse ppl as being an insertion, "types of people/ppl grps" can be accused of the same. Can you not be accused by your own standards of changing what Jesus said too?

[@dashaunjefferies1168]

@macolyis I think it's logical (not irreverent) to conclude he was talking of ppl when he said "all". It's more logical than "types of ppl" haha but I'll give you "all I intend to draw/all the elect". There are other verses where this is evident. I think this is in reference to his authority being established: every knee will bow (both believing and unbelieving) and Satan will be cast out. You dont need to go to other passages to show what this means.

[@beadoll8025]

This is a fantastic explanation.Thank you so much ❤

[@guillermodominguez8643]

I'm sorry but there is an unescapable truth here. That is simply just not what the word "draws" means in the original greek. Strong's definition of "helko" is to literally drag. In the new testament the word is used a couple more times and is used when Peter drew his sword, when the disciples hauled fish in, and when Paul and Silas were dragged to the authorities. There is also a usage of it when Paul being dragged out of the marketplace. So, there is a truth that we need to grapple with, the greek word literally means drag, and the usage of the word in the new testament is only for that usage to convey dragging. So, therefore it is is pretty dishonest to interpret that word as "enable, grant, entice or woo" or another word that involves an invitation.

[@Tom-mo2sj]

Flower's is teaching the Biblical understanding of this verse. Hyper Calvanists believe that God hates the majority of mankind, and those he chooses to put in hell somehow glorifies him. The Calvanist god demands that you love your enemies, and pray for those who would persecute you, but he himself hates all the non-elect. Under their unbiblical doctrine, many non-elect aborted babies will also go to hell. If you really believe what TULIP stands for, you have to believe what I mentioned above. When Calvanists get behind the pulpit and tell the whole congregation that Jesus loves them, they know they don't really mean it. I know that there are a lot of good Calvanists that love and serve God, and I appreciate all of those who do, and I would say thank you for your love and serves, but no thank u to Calvinism. It's a pill I can't swallow. I thank the loving God of Heaven who would have ALL men to be saved, and yes, ALL meaning everyone that have and will ever exist, that Calvinism is not a Bible doctrine.

[@adrm1953]

These are great but as a musician I find the background music distracting. I don’t think it’s necessary or adds anything.

[@ianbeck2840]

Very helpful video thank you!

[@ryankirst8150]

Since you always call out Piper, why don’t you get him in the show?

[@evanu6579]

Ryan Kirst I don’t think Piper would come on. I’m not aware of him debating the issue. He teaches it and pushes it but not when he gets pushback (as far as I know)

[@kjb1547]

Piper isn’t a debater. Many people in the Reformed camp were pushing for a Piper vs. MacArthur public debate and discussion on cessationism/continuationism, and he said he doesn’t get into public debates. John MacArthur and his sidekick Phil Johnson pick on Piper quite a bit on this issue.

[@allentomas3417]

@@michaelborg5798 John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

[@MisterTurner-ex1fv]

@@michaelborg5798 So do agree with Calvinism as far as their interpretation of predestination is concerned or not❓

[@MisterTurner-ex1fv]

@@michaelborg5798 🤔 True ✅ Yet, predestination means the same thing today as it meant in the past on the very day that Apostle Paul wrote about it ✅

[@JonathanGrandt]

He invites all. All may come. All means all. Seek Him. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? "I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds." - Jeremiah 17:9-10 "Come, everyone who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. - Isaiah 55:1 "Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the LORD, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. - Isaiah 55:6-8 Heal me, O LORD, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved, for you are my praise. - Jeremiah 17:14 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. - Ezekiel 36:26

[@nohandle257]

Bravo ! I encourage all to recognize the difference between Christ's ministry of the Gospel of the Kingdom ...along with Peter and the eleven prior to the destruction of Jerusalem .... and the mystery revealed to Paul and promulgated by John.

[@allentomas3417]

Pentecost of Acts 2 was the start of the church of God, according to the mystery, yet the revelation of the mystery had not immediately been given yet, this came later, as God, through his Christ, gave the revelation, first to the Apostle Paul. mid-Acts and post-Acts are but factions that have risen up, and causes no small amount of confusion.

[@PreachingJesus]

Please suggest resources that explain the difference.

[@lukespowerart]

As a former Arminian I must disagree...Firstly - you quoted John 8 out of context...Jesus makes it clear that they don’t listen to Him because they belong to The Devil (John 8:39-47). Made clear in Jesus finishing statement in vs 47, “Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” Secondly, original sin is central to the doctrine of the atonement as made clear by Paul in Romans chapter 5. In vs 19 it states, in reference to the 1st Adam and the 2nd Adam, Jesus - “For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.” I grew up an Arminian and was one up until roughly 10 years ago. However, after deeper Biblical study I now see God’s sovereign election is clear in Scripture. A sound summary is found in Ephesians 1:3-14.

[@russellnewton1229]

Mr. Flowers answered it: they refused Jesus, THEY refused Jesus. That's why they didn't hear Jesus/God. John 10-->"My sheep hear My voice..."

[@m1tanker64]

Thank you Dr. Flowers. Your videos on Calvinism have done much to confirm my confidence of its validity. Your counterpoints have shown me that the doctrines of grace well withstand your Arminian testing. While obviously not your intent, i thank you for affirming my confidence in God’s sovereign grace. With love and respect. BTW, An advertisement for the Mormons pops up right after your video.

[@kingjames5527]

Hogwash. Calvinism is a demented doctrine of devils

[@trumenfreight6055]

I agree with you m1tanker64. Every time i watch a video by Bro. Leighton i get a tinny confidence boost after realizing the tricks, backflips and eisegesis necessary in order to sustain a synergistic interpretation of john 6. He begins with a conclusion then tries to find ways to amend the text in order to get it to conform to that conclusion. The end result is he isolates the verses of john 6 from one another and interprets each according to another isolated verse from a different context. I find it hard to believe that a man with any kind of a doctorate cannot understand that this is not exegesis. Especially after he has been told this by many people.

[@m1tanker64]

Trumen Freight - Amen Trumen- When does draw not mean draw? Also, it really seems that the arminian bros seem hateful towards us reformed folks. I do not feel that way about them.

[@Kman.]

*m 1 tanker64* Interesting take on the videos. I assume you watched/understand his short video on just what "sovereignty" is all about? If not, I think we both would agree that sovereignty speaks of control, yes, but being *IN* control is different than being controlling. God does not use a strong-arm approach over men. Granted, God does whatsoever He pleases ( *PSALM 115:3*), but in *verse 16* states that He has provided for men an independence and gives us the capacity to make uncoerced decisions on our own. Then too... Why are we taught to pray, "Our Father which art in heaven...Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, *AS IT IS IN HEAVEN* if His will is perfect in every sense here on earth w/o us botching things up by making poor choices? Cheers

[@blackfalkon4189]

@@trumenfreight6055 so what if in the end it turns out you were never 'elect', but were predestined to the other camp all along? will you still accept G.d's sovereignty, or will you rebel?

[@bensdg1164]

how about "Draw = Give spiritual life"?

[@joshuatheo1419]

The Greek word can also be used in the context of drawing water from a well.

[@boombastic1504]

draw not mean enable. the greek means drag, pull or lead by force so Piper is not wrong. no way the greek elko means grant, enable or help.

[@jamesmitchell467]

If God created billions of people in His image knowing they would go straight to hell at death because they were incapable of responding to the gospel, then God is not love. You can argue the definition of Greek words and such or say it's for his glory, or claim His sovereignty till the cows come home, but you'll never square that circle.

[@STEVEN-vz8qq]

Well said Flowers!

[@yodasoja2011]

Excellent video Dr. Flowers! This is perfect. Well, if it was 1 second shorter it would be 100% perfect

[@billlee2194]

I know my comment is not related but, from all the debates I've heard on John 6:44-65, I think we are ignoring a much more important point. That is, verse 44 and 65 are the book ends to the main point Jesus is making. That is the ones who are dawn and come to him are those who except and believe they have to actually eat the bread He will give for the life of the world which is His flesh to have life and to be raised up on the last day. The Apostles received clarity one year later at the next Passover in the Upper Room when Jesus holds up bread and clearly says 'This (bread) IS My body. That's why Paul says later that the Christians are to rightly discern the body of Christ to avoid eating and drinking damnation and spiritual death on themselves. We know the OT Law Israelites ate the bread from heaven. Jesus said He is the true bread from heaven we must eat. It wouldn't make sense for the NT fulfilment to be a symbol and the OT type to be a reality. Plus, all the early church writings confirm what I have shared. You can read for yourself in the Didache on the Eucharist; Ignatius of Antioch on the Eucharist; Justin Martyr on the Eucharist. Plus, all the ancient churches, East and West, Orthodox and Catholic have all held this understanding and practice for 2,000 years. God bless

[@connors-Connors]

Remember when ever you study, the bible, you have to read the context to understand the meaning so we interpretation scripture with scripture, what is the scripture speaking about, the unbelieving Jews and his 12 disciples who Jesus Chosed and why they don’t believe, and why his disciples do believe 10 Jesus said, “Have the people sit down.” There was plenty of grass in that place, and they sat down (about five thousand men were there). 11 Jesus then took the loaves, gave thanks, and distributed to those who were seated as much as they wanted. He did the same with the fish (These people who he feeds, are mainly unbelieving Jews let us look these people are only interested in physical food not in him,) 25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?” 26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.” 28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” (Jesus, want them, to believe in him. but they do not believe) 30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]” (they are looking for a sign that they may believe so Jesus quotes Moses) 32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven (These people did not believe in Moses  and because they didn’t believe in Moses, they didn’t believe in Jesus, read john 5vs46.47 four if you believe Moses, you would believe me because he wrote about me) 34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.” 35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, (the scripture speaking about the disciples in the context, who believes in the common King we will find in the next few versus) and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. (this scripture again is speaking about the disciples read john18vs9 this happened so that the words he spoke would be fulfilled I have not lost one of those he will give me the disciples) 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” 43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.(how does the father draw them? Let us look) 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. ( how the father  would draw did the Jewish people at the time of jesus true, his word  those who believed the old Testament believe in Jesus, they were drawn by God from scripture to the Son  and we find this  read, john 1vs45 Phillip found Nathanial, and told him we have found the one who Moses wrote about  he drawl themby his word  it is written in the prophets  they will all be taught by God. Everyone who has the father and learns from him comes to me  the context would have to be scripture how the father calls the unbeliever  those who are not cold, will have to be those who do not believe the Old Testament john5:46:47 if you believe Moses, you wouldn’t believe me because he wrote about me) Many Disciples Desert Jesus 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.” 66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him. (they did not believe Moses and because they did not believe Moses they did not believe Jesus.) 67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve. 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.”(because they believed Moses, they believe Jesus.john1:45  we are found one Moses wrote about) 70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”( and the scripture shows that even though a person is chosen, it doesn’t mean that they are saved like Judas) 71 (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

[@JLCProductions1976]

What part of “no one is able” isn’t clear?🤨

[@ericfisher1360]

The part of whosoever.

[@ericfisher1360]

@@franciscusgomarus5086 God draws the the world, cause he loves us. The world is pretty big.

[@ericfisher1360]

@@jlcraw79 I do not see any difference in meaning between whosoever believes and "Everyone who believes." Why? Because "Whosoever" means everyone Everyone Is an indefinite pronoun. This doesn't help your case because indefinite pronouns dont define the noun. Therefore there is no "elect" as the calvinist claim because the word itself means that the people in question are not defined, by the word everyone. Which leaves only the verb to define the subject (The everyones) that verb is believes. Hence everyone means everyone. The concept of "Election" is nowhere in the passage, but "everyone" most certainly is.

[@ericfisher1360]

@@jlcraw79 Question: What does the Bible tell us are the wages of sin? Answer: Death. So the passage is saying while you were effectively on "death row" because of your guilt Christ died for you. As far as your second Statement goes about knowing you before the foundations it means just what it says. God is all knowing, of course He knew who was I was/am from eternity. The problem as I see it is that people mistake Gods relationship with time. God doesn't exist in time in a linear way like we do, God is literally outside of time, this is why Christ has always been the Son although he was not created. God not only saw me from the foundations of the earth but from the future (from our perspective) as well.

[@ericfisher1360]

@@jlcraw79 Election means choice. There is nothing wrong with the general definition of the word as I see it, but rather the application. For example, in Romans we see ideas of election all over the place. However what is being discussed is whether or not God is "allowed" to give salvation to both Gentiles and Jews. Of course He is, as Paul affirms and he not only is able, but he "elected" (chose) to do so. Hence the entire passage about the branches being cut off and grafted in as God sees fit. Remember the Jews were called Gods Chosen, therfore people were wondering about their place, and the place of Jewish law after the work on the cross. Paul tells us that they are not Jews (Defined as Gods People) who are circumcised outwardly but those who are circumcised inwardly. Basically saying God can and will offer salvation to all who want it, regardless of Jew or Gentile. Nearly the entire letter is talking about Gods willingness to offer salvation to both people groups (Jews and gentiles) in the corporate sense. The individual sense is not really at the fore of the letter. The problem is that people want to take a chapter or verse from the letter instead of reading the whole letter in one sitting. Reading the entire letter is key to understanding Romans. No one receives a letter in real life and reads it in parts. Why we do this with the letters and epistles in the Bible is a mystery.

[@tullywilliams7789]

If you look at the usage of the Greek word helko in the Septuagint, you will see that it can mean "attract" rather than "drag" - Son of Solomon 1:4 "Draw me" as in the lover attracting him - she isn't DRAGGING him - he could resist - or Jer 31:3 "I have drawn thee in compassion" where God is talking about drawing Israel to himself - we know nearly all failed to follow God, so it was hardly irresistible. Plato in Republic uses helko to talk about people being drawn or swayed by false opinions or desires. So the 8 verses in the NT don't prove the meaning of helko as irresistibly DRAGGED.

[@lilholyy]

what about what jesus said in verse 39? how is he not going to lose any who come to him if it’s up to us? if we choose to believe once are we set in stone and can’t refuse him?

[@alphablitz1024]

I hear how God "draws" everyone (John 6:44), but what about those who God "gives" to Christ (John 6:37)? Is it possible for me to resist God's "drawing" but not God's "giving"?

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

John 6:44 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. There is no draw all people.

[@joescoggins5937]

No matter how many verses are quoted out of context, they do not, no, cannot restrict who can come to salvation through Christ. Everything in Romans, Hebrews, Galatians and Colossians screams out for any who will to come. In God's sovereign plan, anyone who hears and believes may come to Christ. He neither picks them out, nor does He force them to come. He calls for them and woos them, but He does not force them. To say otherwise would negate Adam's choice to obey or not to obey God's one command. Adam willingly chose sin. If God forced him to, all of life is just a circus puppet show and means nothing at all.

[@ah-il9xt]

I agree. I actually had a friend once tell me that we are like actors in a play just playing out our "role" as God has defined it. Scary.

[@conservativemovement]

Dear brother thank God you are standing against the Calvinists. They all but wiped out holy, biblical Christianity from New England and so many other places. Please pray for us here in reestablishing the gospel and the church. Just a note though when talking about 'hardened Israel' and using these photographs of "Jews" hating Jesus, to try to remember to present the full picture, that 1) many Jews in Israel came to Jesus, established the first churches, wrote the New Testament, and evangelized the known world, 2) a similar kind of talk backed up the Holocaust and still emboldens anti-semites worldwide to this day, and 3) all Israel will be saved. It is more accurate to use photographs and language that show that Israel was full of believing common folk as well as Pharisees and their like, and to affirm that Israel still has awesome unfulfilled prophecies and promises over her which our great God in His faithfulness will fulfill entirely and in front of the whole world. Maybe you've said all this elsewhere and if so please forgive. Thanks & God bless

[@mal14d20rm70]

Would the term "all"mean all kinds of men (poor, rich, free,slave, white, black , etc.)

[@JESUS_Saves3747]

In the greek there is no man or people ! John 12:32 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all unto me.

[@KISStheSON...]

Amen...Calvinism makes God out to be wicked. He made us in his image (a free-will agent) and intentionally wills us to reject him and then pours out his wrath upon us for rejecting his "general call"? Sick, sick, sick! :( Satan, leave them ALONE and allow them to SEE, HEAR, and UNDERSTAND their error... In the name of JESUS! Isaiah 5:20 “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” 2 Chronicles 34:27 “BECAUSE thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou HEARDEST his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.”

[@IndianaJoe0321]

Correct. When Dr. White talks about babies & infants dying and going straight to Hell, to be burned alive for eternity, just so God can mysteriously get some glory -- it makes me sick.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

The Calvinist interpretation of God is even more terrifying than the God of *Islam.* In Islam, the only guaranteed path to heaven is to die in jihad, as long as you haven't touched or eaten any pigs. All other circumstances depend entirely on God's mood on that particular day. In Calvinism, unless you are one of the small handful of people whom God ordained as his Elect before He laid the foundation of the world, you are doomed to hell, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. No amount of prayer or repenting will change it. You're railroaded into hell, and you are *utterly* helpless.

[@Mark-oo3om]

@@Emper0rH0rde yep, that's it, in a nutshell.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

@@IndianaJoe0321 Sounds like Harold Camping.

[@elmerfudd2402]

If you read the context of John 12 (which you regularly don't do if it doesn't fit your means), you will see that starting in verse 20 there were Greeks following after Jesus as well. This would directly lead to Jesus's statement " . . . wiill draw all men . . .". With this statement Jesus declared that salvation would come to Greeks as well and not to Jews only. Thankfully for all of us non-Jews, the declaration of Christ has come to pass.

[@mathewabraham602]

Beautiful, beautiful. Thanks you dear brother Leighton.💥😀🙏🏼

[@donhaddix3770]

john 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.” 43 “Stop grumbling among yourselves,” Jesus answered. 44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’[d] Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me. 46 No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. 47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. Calvinist parse and reinterpret the bible.

[@1967stevej]

Draw...the greek word is G1670 ἑλκύω helkuo (hel-koo'-o) (or helko hel'-ko) v. 1. to drag NOT ENABLE.... TO DRAG Thayers states 1. properly: τό δίκτυον, John 21:6, 11; μάχαιραν, i. e. unsheathe, John 18:10 (Sophocles Ant. 1208 (1233), etc.); τινα, a person forcibly and against his will (our drag, drag off), ἔξω τοῦ ἱεροῦ, Acts 21:30; εἰς τήν ἀγοράν, Acts 16:19; εἰς κριτήρια, James 2:6 (πρός τόν δῆμον, Aristophanes eqq. 710; and in Latin, as Caesar b. g. 1, 53 (54, 4)cumtriniscatenisvinctustraheretur, Livy 2, 27cumalictoribusjamtraheretur). 2. metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel:

[@Orbservation]

Your theological house of cards falls because it is built upon a misunderstanding of how the word “all” is used and the actual meaning of the word used for “draw”.

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

If all doesn't always mean all, then does that mean none doesn't always mean none? All of one third of the angels rebelled against God, but none of the remaining two thirds of the angels rebelled against God. So when you say Jesus died for all the elect and saved all the elect, does that mean the verse that says there's none that seek God none has done good, does that really mean none of the non-elect seek after God, none of the non elect does Good? Does the word all in the scripture for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God actually mean for all the non elect have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God? If so then does this also mean for none of the elect have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God? Does that mean it's a lie in the bible to say that Jesus was the only man without sin, considering all the elect are without sin also?

[@Orbservation]

@@Do_not_at_me_bro thanks for the question. It seems there may be a bit of confusion because it depends upon the context. All sometimes means all and sometimes means less than all. The same with other words you mentioned. All the world was taxed Luke 2:1. Did this include China? When scripture says no one seeks God, it means just that. It may be your theological understanding is giving you problems here. It is referring to unregenerate, not those who are now believers.

[@Acontinuist]

That makes good sense! The other question would be, what about the people throughout the ages that never heard the message, or had the opportunity to hear it? If God desires that all men individually would come to him, then what about them? I don't fit into any of the two main theological groups, My belief is that God is infinitely wise and loving, and full of mercy and compassion, and completely knows what he is doing. Trust him. Reach out and pray for all men and you can't go wrong! It's ok to have perhapses! Better to be unsure than prideful.

[@Christian.Portugues.Francisco]

WoW minute 1:30 don´t know even what to say to that Leighton... Do you think that this is beeing honest? Puting some words inside the Vers to carry on a believe system. That is really to much for me on this point. No trust to you anymore from my side... wow, just wow... It´s like you don´t even care that Jesus Says in the very next vers of John 8:43 " Why do you not understand My speaking? Because you cannot bear to hear My word."?! John 8:47 "He who is of God hears God’s words. Therefore, you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” Why don´t you deal with ALL verses in context? John 5-6 people hearing his teaching, following him, seeing mericales, confessing that he is the prophet, searching him, listen to him again, asking him what the workes of God are, he answer them and tells them the truth, he tells them why they don´t belive. They argue against him and go against his claimes deity. He response that they can not belive and what is the reason for that. "Interpretation of leighton" Yeah john 6, dont care about the context let´s jump to vers 44, take some new words into the text, telling something about birthday partys, some of John 12 and hmm let´s go to john 8, a little bit of Romans, ohhh a vers from the prophet also. Yeah those Badddddddd Jews of this day. Thanks that i´m not like them puhhhh. I´m becoming reformed the more i hear you guys talk and take verses out of context and dealing like this with the text...

[@mikenicholson7465]

I like this short informational clip. More short clips like these could be helpful for those concerned by SBC Calvinism but who lack hours to invest in videos. Edit: I see you've been releasing some of these recently. Bravo! Also, I like how this exegesis on the passage of John 6:44 takes roughly 6 minutes, 44 seconds.

[@dalenoland3152]

I truly like most of what Dr. Flowers teaches. But I have one question, is that Dr. Flowers dressed like a Pharisee in the front in the picture at 4:11 in the video? LOL

[@shakazulu365]

This destroys the calvinist lie.

[@gregjay9933]

Excellent teaching as always.

[@donhaddix3770]

God is triune. each has a purpose. Christ speaks to our minds and points us to the father. the holy spirit speaks to our spirits and points us to the father. Christ defends us. Satan condemns us. the father judges us.. so no one comes to the father except through Jesus and no one is given to Jesus except through the father. only the holy spirit cleanses us.

[@LawLamar]

The key word is DRAWS present tense. For the Calvinist he believes that God elected him before time began, so the word must be DREW if the Calvinist is right and Jesus did not use that word.

[@Unobserved07]

Good explanation. The point is that the drawing of the Father is done before Christ is crucified. It parallels perfectly when Jesus says his teachings are of God and also when he declares that those who could not hear couldn't hear because they were not his sheep or of his flock. The hardness of their hearts was due to their disobedience and heeding the commandments and traditions of men rather than of God.

[@shredhed572]

Agreed. Also, in vs 44 it say "can" come Not "will come", or "must come" Plus, the next verse tells us who the "drawn" are. "Whosoever has heard and learned of the Father..." It's plain, right there in the next verse.

[@taukavefolau9587]

Sorry, but Dr Flowers has a fundamental flaw in his interpretation of verse 44. He should have read verse 44 in light of the verses before it. This is the reason why people fight over verse 44 because they don't look at verse 44 with the light given beforehand in verses 37-40. verse 37 = All that the Father GIVES me WILL come to me, and whoever comes to me I will NEVER cast out. (ESV) Those whom the Father DRAWS to Jesus in verse 44 are identified beforehand in verse 37 as all that the Father GIVES to Jesus. Those GIVEN to him by the Father and those DRAWN to him by the Father are the SAME PEOPLE. How can we be sure of this? because Jesus says the exact same thing about those drawn to him by the Father and those given to him by the Father. Jesus says in verse 39 And this is the will of him WHO SENT ME, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. He says in verse 44 No one can come to me unless the Father WHO SENT ME draws him. And I will RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. Since it can be comfortably asserted that they are the SAME PEOPLE, read what is said of those drawn/given in verses 37 and 39. Jesus says he will NEVER cast them out and that he will LOSE NOTHING of ALL that is given to him. Therefore, those drawn in verse 44 will never be cast out and will never be lost, but Jesus will raise them ALL up on the last day. The Salvation of those drawn or given to Jesus by the Father is absolute, not 50/50. We know for sure that not everyone is going to be saved, so obviously, Jesus is telling us that not everyone is going to be drawn to him or given to him by the Father. Where does the idea that EVERYONE is going to be drawn to Christ BY THE FATHER come from? it comes from Dr Flowers' use of John 12:32, not from Jesus' statements in the context of John 6:37-44. Dr Flowers' use of John 12:32 should now be questioned because his statements aren't lining up with what Jesus is saying in John 6:37-44. John 12:32 says, ", AND I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” The simple question that debunks the view of Dr Flowers for this verse is, WHO is doing the drawing in this verse? Is it the Father drawing them to Jesus like in verse 44? No! Jesus says it's him that's drawing them to himself. This is vital to this verse but is overlooked by Dr Flowers. This is why he wrongfully assumes that those drawn in verse 44 are the SAME PEOPLE that are drawn in this verse. They aren't. Another thing that Dr Flowers has overlooked is that the following verse tells us why Jesus made this statement in this verse. John 12:33 says, "He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die." so there is no basis for using John 12:32 as Dr Flowers has used it. So how should John 12:32 be understood? Jesus is simply saying that the manner in which he will die is what he will use to draw all people to himself. Why so? You ask all the people in the world who have some knowledge of Jesus and Christianity, and they will tell you "he was the man that died on the cross". In a way, ALL PEOPLES (both Jews and Gentiles as the context suggests in john12:20) will be drawn to a knowledge of Jesus Christ simply because of his death on the cross. Jesus attributes this drawing to himself, not to the Father, and that's why they are different. The drawing of the Father is about Salvation. The drawing of Jesus is about knowledge of salvation. This is how John 12:32 should be understood. That's why you can be drawn to the knowledge of Jesus and still perish. However, if you are drawn to Jesus for Salvation, you will never perish. He will lose nothing of all that is given/drawn to him BY THE FATHER and he will never cast them out, but raise them all up on the last day. Therefore, I can comfortably conclude that the view that Dr Flowers has given us in this video about the people drawn in verse 44 is not the view that Jesus intended for us to have. John 6:44 should always be read in the light of what Jesus stated beforehand in 6:37-40, and should never be connected with John 12:32. I believe that this is the way Jesus intends for us to view the drawn in vs 44.

[@juliasteeves4349]

How do uou interpretgid knowinf Jeremiah before he was formed in the womb

[@lovegod8582]

Foreknowledge

[@danielc608]

This is so out of whack. In the previous verses Jesus is addressing a crowd and then readressed the Jews that were questioning him. In 6:44 Jesus restates 6:37. How is this not the teaching? Am I missing somthing?

[@ironlion805]

Your Texas drawl comes out when you say, “drawls out”🤣

[@jacobhaynes9952]

Translating the word draw as compels is an out an out alteration of the true word in Greek which means more akin to drag. The word is the same word used for fishermen pulling in their nets. This is heresy and deception

[@peterkluth185]

This has been so helpful. I love these "De-Calvinized" videos. It's rare that I hear none Calvinists tackle these scriptures that sound so calvinistic.

[@j.garrettconner5635]

Isn't this video, along with many others here, assuming that people "have ears" to hear the Father?

[@jaygee2187]

J. Garrett Conner doesn’t Gods word assume that people have ears to hear? If you don’t have ears to hear....what are your ears for?

[@evanu6579]

J. Garrett Conner If they weren’t hardened/blinded then they would have ears to hear. It was only Israel that had a hardening placed on them. They first rejected Him so He hardened them to bring salvation to the Gentiles. It was all part of His plan so that He might have mercy upon them all. God bless.

[@levibaer18]

Hahaha. Choose John 6:44 and say it’s “decalvinizing”. If you want to “decalvinize” 6:44, then you need to “decalvinize” the context of the entire chapter 6. Specifically, “all that the Father gives me SHALL come to me, and him that comes to me I will in no wise cast out”. A couple of verses later: “And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.”

[@trumenfreight6055]

Another failure in exegesis Bro. Leighton. Same mistake as the last vid. You are taking this verse out of context by immediately going outside of the text in order interpret it. All the while ignoring the cumulative effect the verses of John 6 have when taken together, in their order, as the original audience did. This has resulted in you making up a distinction between the drawn and those who come. Where is that to be found in John 6. Verse 37 and 39 clearly deny this and verse 44 no where makes the distinction between those that are drawn, those that come and those that are raised.