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Bible -- Verse -- Commentary. John 8:58 "I am." Anthony Buzzard and J. Dan Gill consider Jn. 8:58 & the matter of Jesus and "I am" passages in the New Testament.
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[@IsJesusGod.]

Well said and true Sir Anthony. In John 8:58 I believe Jesus was referring to John 4:26 *Jesus answered, “I who speak to you am* 👉He.”👈meaning I am the one, the Christ, the promised savior.

[@davidboamah6679]

Thanks Anthony and Dan.

[@Roz-zi1ye]

Short and sweet!

[@wilderness4071]

This makes perfect sense. Why would Jesus refer to himself as god in John but the son of man in all the other gospels. Jesus is the messiah not God.

[@cruzefrank]

Great video! Also Dr. Dan McClellan, Biblical Scholar, states what we see in John 8:58 is being the name bearer of God's name. We see this in other places like the Angel of the LORD of the OT. In other Jewish literature we see angels like Metatron and Yahoel being name bearers of God's name. Though Jesus did not claim to be God he claimed to be a name bearer of God's name

[@jerrybenson]

From where do the "ground rules" come? "Don't go there." "Don't multiply God." If our preconceived ideas rule out the possibility that the true God can exist in a way that is not in agreement with what we have already determined, how will we ever find truth? Seems we must let God speak regardless if we like it or not.

[@jordandthornburg]

If you listen he says he grounds that in John 17:3 which seems pretty clear but I think the whole Bible is clear there is only one who is true God. We don’t want to contradict that with other passages.

[@seasquawker]

John chapter 8 has a lot of fascinating aspects to it. Not only because of John 8:58 and the "I am" statement, but also the "light of life" phrase in John 8:12 which we see goes all the way back to the book of Job chapter 33:30.

[@143Jesus38]

I believe Jesus is one showed up in human form on OT.

[@kevin8360]

This verse ties to John 1 and the logos or word. Jesus was saying that he (the plan of him) existed before Abraham did. If Jesus is the lamb slain before the foundations of the world (metaphorically speaking) then he existed within Gods plan before the world was formed… in the logos, just as John said in John 1. And to tie this verse to God telling Moses His name is a huge reach to prove a false doctrine. It omits the fact that the very next verse after God tells Moses that He is that He is, or that He is the existing One… God tells Moses that His name forever is Yahweh or the Tetragrammaton. So we have Moses asking for Gods name, God describing Himself as the God that actually exist, and then God telling Moses His actual name. I am… is not a name for God. It’s a declaration of existence… of which the gods of Egypt can’t claim.

[@josephmcnally8459]

Everything created was created by GOD through His son Jesus.

[@Bowen12676]

Rev. 13:8 does not say "the lamb slain before the foundations of the word". This word order is too literal, and there is no word for "before" in the text. A better translation is "whose names have not been written since _(apo)_ the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain".

[@kevin8360]

@@Bowen12676 “from the foundation of the world” is a better translation than “before…”, but your wording is out of order. It is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Obviously pointing out what we all agree to be true… Jesus sacrifice was planned way before it happened, as evidenced by the prophecies all throughout the Old Testament.

[@legron121]

@@kevin8360 Actually, his word order was correct. The word order in some translations (like the KJV) is literal but misleading. In the Greek, the clause "from the foundation of the world" goes with "every one whose name has not been written". In other words, the Lamb's book of life was written or begun at the foundation of the world. The NASB is correct to render this "everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slaughtered". The preposition _apo_ (meaning "from") refers to a *continuous activity,* not a singular event (like Jesus' execution). In this case, the continuous activity is writing names in the book of life, which activity began at creation (obviously) and has continued ever since. The phrase "who was slain" is just part of the name of the book's owner.

[@aliciaalbao3295]

Because j christ is with us he is called emmanuel the one and only true god according to apostle jhon and titus also concluded that

[@LBVesper]

Ego Eimi is not rendered "I am he" exclusivley, actually quite rarely does "i am he work properly in Grk syntax. In the LXX Ex 3:14 is "ego (I) Eimi (I Am) ho (the) ōn (is, was, will be, exists) In the NT "ho" is used in front of proper names - ho pilateus (Jn 19:38) and - ho Iesus (Jn 21:10) It is also a regular article translated as who, which, and the. ōn denotes a time period whether in the past present or future. It is a verb unless the letter "h" is added making hōn then it becomes a pronoun. Contrary to Buzzard's claim Ego Eimi can be rendered as I am and debatably should be in most cases. Additionally, Ho ōn as seen in Ex is used quite often not in refrence to the Father. To finish this off John 1:18 says in English "No one has ever seen God. The one and only Son, who is himself God and is at the Father’s side-he has revealed him." In Grk we have "ho ōn" In refrence to the Son.. "who is himself God" is rendered in Grk as "ho ōn theos" (who is God) the Son, who is God...

[@lowellbarger5999]

When being tried was asked if he was king of the jews.Answered you say I am

[@frankjones5283]

Jo 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, ‘You are gods”‘? If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside, can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

[@JRJohnson1701]

so i John 8:58, if Jesus is saying 'I am he" - which I and which he is he saying that he is?

[@GsWitness]

The opposing Jews wanted to stone Jesus for claiming that he had “seen Abraham,” although, as they said, Jesus was “not yet 50 years old.” (Joh 8:57) Jesus’ response was to tell them about his prehuman existence as a mighty spirit creature in heaven before Abraham was born. The argument that the Greek expression used here, e·goʹ ei·miʹ (rendered “I am” in some Bibles), is an allusion to the Septuagint rendering of Exodus 3:14 and that both verses should be rendered the same way. In this context, however, the action expressed by the Greek verb ei·miʹ started “before Abraham came into existence” and was still in progress. It is therefore properly translated “I have been” rather than “I am,” and several ancient and modern translations use wording similar to “I have been.” In fact, in Joh 14:9, the same form of the Greek verb ei·miʹ is used to render Jesus’ words: “Even after I have been with you men for such a long time, Philip, have you not come to know me?” Most translations use similar wording, showing that depending on context there is no valid grammatical objection to rendering ei·miʹ as “have been.” (Other examples of rendering a present tense Greek verb using a present perfect tense verb are found in Luke 2:48; 13:7; 15:29; John 15:27; Acts 15:21; 2 Corinthians 12:19; 1 John 3:8.) Also, Jesus’ reasoning recorded in John 8:54, 55 shows that he was not trying to portray himself as being the same person as his Father. Furthermore, reread the whole account starting in John 8:12 - Did the Pharisees understand Jesus in any way or grasp what he was saying? They repeatedly misunderstood Jesus - in fact, there was not a single thing they got correct. Jesus was even so frustrated with them that he said „Why am I even talking to you?“ (John 8:25, 27) When they asked him why he said he saw Abraham, as he wasn’t even 50 years old, he said „ego eimi“ - guess what they did? They misunderstood him AGAIN! So what Trinitarians are saying is that Pharisees who did get Jesus wrong the whole time, all of a sudden understood him correctly by him claiming to be God only by saying „ego eimi“ - you recognize how ridiculous that argument is? Going even further into the whole context of John 8, you'll see that they (the Pharisees) continuously felt their authority being questioned, and they became more and more exposed by Jesus for their false reasonings. It was this, that caused the Pharisees to lose it and attempt to stone Jesus, as by stating that Jesus had seen Abraham, he claimed even higher authority than Abraham. For the Pharisees, Abraham was the highest human authority, and they understood Jesus to claim higher authority than themselves, which was unacceptable insubordination - they hated him for it! So, it wasn't their fear of God that caused them to perceive Jesus' word as sinful utterances of a man, it was their selfish pride that caused them to act in utter outrage because this Jesus had dared to question their authority repeatedly and established that his authority was higher than theirs!

[@ThePelicular]

Jesus did not claim to see Abraham but the apostate reprobate Pharisees said that of him. Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see his day and saw it and was glad,obviously referring to the future prophesy of the Messiah but these blind men could not understand that when Jesus said I am he,that he was the Anointed One.They misconstrued everything he said them.They truly were blind guides and anyone who believes those knuckleheads is sure to fall into a pit.

[@aliciaalbao3295]

Yes you have the correct answer exactly that jchrist iscalled emmanuel means god is with us so it is understood that j christ is god

[@briankregg6329]

2 cor. 5:19 would suggest otherwise

[@daviddrew3372]

Trinitarians and Unitarians : If you believe Jesus Christ is The only Begotten Son of God, obey his directives and act in accord with him. Isn’t that enough?

[@dynamicloveministries334]

Amen!!! You nailed it

[@JoelHernandez-wk1yc]

I am a TRINITARIAN but not a TRINITARIAN who believes Jesus is God

[@cygnustsp]

​@@JoelHernandez-wk1yccan you explain? I recognize the internal consistencies of the Trinity but I think the early Christians were very Unitarian. Second century Christians while not agreeing on much all started to lose the Jewish flavor of the gospels and began considering how Jesus could be called a god or God, as we all know. I grew up JW and always assumed our Christology made the most sense because clearly Jesus is subject to the Father, has a God, and a few verses seen to indicate he was a sentient person in heaven but those verses can be explained with no prehuman Jesus. Just as verses can be used to equal yhwh with Jesus. The Oneness doctrine is basically "God can do whatever he wants" and while their apologists are pretty good with Greek and Scripture it doesn't resolve the mystery of the Trinity, which I thought JWs did. Divine, prehuman existence, a god like Moses, Virgin birth and not a divine human hybrid but 100% man, died and resurrected to an immortal spirit being like yhwh himself, with his body disposed of like Moses and he had to appear in bodies so the disciples didn't completely freak out like Paul did.

[@josephlent4460]

I love the text in the Septuagint "I am the One (ego eimi ha ohn)"; but where is this quoted in regards to the Father in the NT?

[@mohdifraheem9868]

That's already in Jewish Bible....so Father is true God, for messiah this is not there in Jewish Bible, Messiah is just a servant of God,some one who fears God as mentioned in isaiah

[@Bowen12676]

In Revelation 1 verses 4, 5: "Grace and peace to you from him who is _(ho ōn),_ and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, AND from Jesus Christ."

[@josephlent4460]

@@Bowen12676 That's a good one, thank you

[@AWAD-M.A]

So if iam is name of God,,the sentence become (before Abraham was born God) where here jesus is claimed to be a God?????????

[@SimplyAwesomeOriginal]

"I am" is NOT "I am the Christ" NOR "I am he"; "I am" [is] who "I am" One was sent from the other; the other wasn't. Similarly, only one was the suffering servant, and only one is the Son of Man. PS: It isn't just that the Father and the Son are one (John 10:30), it's that we ALL are one in Christ Jesus (John 17:20-23. Galatians 3:28)

[@anthonyg5055]

3:24 why did she say “we know messiah is coming?”

[@trudymarsh7138]

I think your missing a point The context is before abraham was so it needs to be rendered in the same tense BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS I HAVE BEEN Jesus was gods firstborn creation and existed before he came to earth

[@stevenwebb6253]

Jesus’ God is our God. 2 Corinthians 1:2,3 2 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort. 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

[@dayakarrao2206]

Actually it is "Before Adam I am" because of the situation and generation Jesus said "Before Abraham I am". Adam and Eve were made in the image and likeness of our Maker the creator to become father and mother of humanity. The image is "he/she", "his/her body" and "his/her mind" together, "three in one".

[@ArifIKhan-gg6rx]

Do Unitarianists believe that God begot a son?

[@ArifIKhan-gg6rx]

@Mark Park thanks. Is it correct to say that the Christ was born by the natural process of human birth?

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@ArifIKhan-gg6rx Yes. Biblical Unitarians, and we would argue the Bible itself, teaches that the only Supernatural part of Jesus birth was that no human father was involved, it was God himself directly who started his life in his Mothers womb.

[@ArifIKhan-gg6rx]

@@youngknowledgeseeker thank you. If I understand correctly, Unitarian Christians were the earliest Christians dating back to the time of Christ. They faded away from about 6th century? Resurfaced only in recent times. Or am I way off...

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@@ArifIKhan-gg6rx I'm not a history buff (to my shame) but, yes, I think Biblical Unitarians (and scholars) would say that the church councils are what made Trinitarianism the dominant Christian view. Before the councils it would have been a mix of ideas, but the further back you go the more Unitarian the views are. Also, in terms of the 1st century (New Testament writings and didache) overwhelmingly Unitarian.

[@adrianespinoza8016]

"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself", "In Him dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead", "God was manifest in the flesh" Emmanuel=God with us

[@danielverhulst1378]

I AM (Gr. ego eimi) is the divine Name of God in the OT, first revealed to Moses at the burning bush (Ex 3:13-15). To the Jews, this was a direct, explicit, and unmistakable claim to perfect equality with God, as evidenced by their reaction (v. 59; see also Mk 14:62-64). John places special emphasis on the use of this Name to clearly reveal Christ as God. This divine claim illuminates Christ’s authority even over death (v. 52), a power belonging only to God the Father.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Did you watch the video at all?

[@pekde]

So Jesus is YHWH?

[@danielverhulst1378]

@@pekde Yes. That is what I said.

[@danielverhulst1378]

@@pekde Exodus 3 1Now Moses was tending the sheep of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. Then he led them to the back of the desert and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2Then the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he saw the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3So Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush is not consumed.” 4When therefore the Lord saw him turn aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses! Moses!” Then he said, “Here I am.” 5So He said, “Do not come any closer. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Moses then hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God. 7Then the Lord said, “Indeed, I have seen the affliction of My people in Egypt, and have heard their cry because of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrow. 8So I came down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from that land to a good and large land, to a land flowing with milk and honey, to the place of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Gergesites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 9Now therefore, behold, the cry of the children of Israel has come to Me, and I have also seen the affliction with which the Egyptians oppress them. 10Come now, I will send you to Pharaoh, to bring My people, the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt.” 11But Moses said to God, “Who am I to go to Pharaoh, king of Egypt, to bring the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt?” 12Then God said to Moses, “I will be with you, and this shall be a sign to you that I have sent you: When you have brought the people out of Egypt, you shall serve God on this mountain.” 13So Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I go to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I tell them?” 14Then God said to Moses, “I AM the Existing One.” He also said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Existing One sent me to you.’ ” 15Moreover God said to Moses again, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob-sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and My memorial to all generations. 16Go then, and gather the elders of the children of Israel together and say to them, ‘The Lord God of your fathers-the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob-appeared to me, saying, “I have surely looked upon you and all the things that happened to you in Egypt; 17and I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Gergesites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, to a land flowing with milk and honey.’ ” 18“Then they will heed your voice; and you shall go, you and the elders of Israel, to the king of Egypt; and you shall say to him, ‘The God of the Hebrews met with us; and now, let us go three days’ journey into the desert to sacrifice to our God.’ 19But I know Pharaoh the king of Egypt will not let you go, not even by a mighty hand. 20Thus I will stretch out My hand and strike the Egyptians with all My wonders which I will work among them; and after that he will let you go. 21Then I will give this people grace in the sight of the Egyptians; and when you go, you shall not go empty-handed. 22But every woman shall ask of her neighbor, namely, of her who dwells near her house, articles of silver, gold, and clothing; and you shall put them on your sons and daughters. Thus you shall plunder the Egyptians.” 3:2 God the Word revealed Himself to Moses in the burning bush to forecast His coming Incarnation (JohnDm, AthanG, JohnChr, GrgTheo, AmbM). He is called the Angel of the Lord because He is the Angel or Messenger of the Father who reveals the Father’s will. For He is the Will of the Father (AthanG). He is the Only-begotten God because He is begotten from the Unbegotten Father before all time and ages (GrgNy). Isaiah the prophet called the Son “the Angel of Great Counsel” (Is 9:5). The bush was on fire but was not consumed, for the Son of God became Man to save man and not to consume him. He became Man in the womb of the Mother of God, for the bush itself typifies her. 3:4 The Angel is called Lord and God, for He is the Speaker. Since He is begotten from the Father before all time and ages, He is therefore the Only-Begotten God. 3:5 Moses was to remove his sandals. This indicates that nothing dead is to stand between God and man, for He is the God of the living (AmbM). 3:6 The Angel also called Himself the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For the Son is true God of true God, and He reveals the Father in Himself. He who sees the Son also sees the Father. He who sees the Only-begotten God also sees the Unbegotten Father. 3:14The name I AM the Existing One is the name for the Essence of God, which is one and undivided (AthanG, JohnDm). This Essence is like a boundless sea, containing all things yet not contained by anything. The Son is eternally begotten from the Essence of the Father. When Jesus said He was the Existing One, the Jews who were listening took up stones to stone Him, for they knew this passage in Exodus (Jn 8:57-59). He is acknowledged as the Existing One in every Vespers service of the Church.

[@frankjones5283]

@@danielverhulst1378 Jo 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, ‘You are gods”‘? If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and Scripture cannot be set aside, can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? The Apostle John does not contradict himself. We quote the same writer but have different views . The predominant view of John is that Jesus is the SON of God. Also verses like " I and my Father are ONE" and " You see me, you see the Father" etc etc. are explained by understanding the nature of Spirit. " The Father is IN me and I in Him". This ONENESS is literally possible when talking about GOD the Spirit. TWO persons in ONE body.

[@ahojahojish]

Very clearly the jews were asking Jesus if he thought he is greater than Abraham and Jesus clearly stated that he IS indeed far greater than Abraham, and in that statement he said he is uncreated and eternal. Before he was born I AM. Jesus even repeated himself in revelations, where he said I AM APLHA AND OMEGA, the begining and the end, the first and the last. All of these are titles of God. I mean how much more clear dou you want Jesus to be and you still mess it up?

[@teresamalinao9752]

Another name of Jesus is Emmanuel;when translated God with us

[@shanederry2691]

Jesus was never called that name, but for the sake of the argument. Isaiah's son or Ahaz's son is first called "Immanuel" in Isaiah 7. So Hezekiah is "God"? Ithiel means "God is with me". Isaiah means "God is salvation". Elijah means "God is Jehovah". Hezekiah means "Jehovah is my strength". Eliathah means "God has come". Joel means "Jehovah is God". So all these mean are God? You have no idea how names work. God is with us through his Son!!

[@kevin8360]

@@shanederry2691 I’d like to further this by adding that twice in Isaiah 8, verses 8 & 10 the name or term Emmanuel is given to the people of Israel. The term can be used for any person or people who worship the real God, for truly ‘God is with’ them. I also agree that the son that is given is Hezekiah.

[@christopherowen1233]

Jesus is God with us just as Jesus is the exact imprint or express image of God but an image of someone or reflection in the mirror isn't that person... It's their image. Am imprint of a thumb isn't the thumb but the imprint shows you what the thumb looks like.

[@raybrensike42]

Yes, I was once thinking that if his name would have meant "God with him.", that would be a good appropriate name for sure, but I'm glad his name means "God with us" on account o', I might o' sort o' felt....left out.

[@jonnyasis7485]

38. even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. (Acts, 10) that is why he was called Emanuel, because he was filled with the Holy Spirit!

[@aliciaalbao3295]

Before ourtrue god thegod thefather which is a spirit cannot be touch cannot beseen said that word s i am who am yto moises im a shrub with fire

[@kiwihans100]

The original greek here is "e.go eimi" after the a'orist infinitive clause, rendered in the perfect tense. John does not use "Ho Ohn", I AM". This was one of many attempts by pro 'trinitarian' scribes to slant translation to favour the trinity! Jesus was simply telling the Jews he had a prehuman existance in heavan with his father, 'before the world was' ( see John 17:5). He was not assuming he was God!

[@Bowen12676]

I don't think Jesus claimed a "pre-human existence in heaven". The "before" in 8:58 refers to precedence, just as the man Jesus was "before" John the Baptist in rank but not in time (see John 1:30; notice John is speaking of a *man* who was "before" him). As for John 17:5, this is the language of inheritance; not pre-existence. Jesus had glory (honour), was given glory from the Father, before the world existed. Jesus likewise gave *future* believers in him the same glory (read John 17:20-22 carefully). The same kind of language is frequent in the Scriptures. For example, 2 Timothy 1:9 says that God's grace was "given to us in Christ Jesus before the times of the ages". Just my thoughts.

[@etheligidigba410]

​@@Bowen12676 I agree with you. The "before" jesus said meant that, the plan of him, existed within God's plan. The same way salvation was already prepared for believers within God's plan before the world was formed. I also agree with your interpretation on John 17: 5. It makes no sense for jesus to have already had the glory in heaven before coming to earth, and then asking for it again. What makes the glory special then, if he already had it before? Why was the Hebrew writer stressing it to the readers that a man was exalted above angels, as in the order of God's creation man is lower than the angels, if jesus was already above the angels in heaven before coming to earth? The exaltation of jesus after his resurrection was kind of a big deal. It is what gave believers hope. He never had it until he proved himself to the father.

[@etheligidigba410]

​@@Bowen12676 Also if you read John 1:1 using the oldest translation like the Mike tyndall bible or the Geneva bible that verse will make a better sense.

[@raybrensike42]

So formerly Abraham was, and Jesus is he whom Abraham looked forward to?

[@leef_me8112]

**WHY did they take up stones to throw at him? That was reserved for people that blasphemed.** ** Did they think that calling oneself the Christ was blasphemy?** **The old Buzzard says that the verses should be like this:** John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am [he]. [that is the Christ] 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

[@joseph906]

Because they are murderers, just as the Lord states in the same chapter.

[@antoinekiwan5832]

Son of God is god ( John 5:18)

[@andrejones2147]

@@antoinekiwan5832 but clearly not his own father … so there’s the father and the son. The son of a human is a human. The son of dog is a dog. The son of a God is clearly a God… but he has a father

[@LBVesper]

@markpark4028 Many claimed to be messiah and/or messianic figures.. That wasn't blasphemous nor worthy of death in 1st century Israel

[@kiwihans100]

Jesus used exactly the same expressions in Verses 12 & 24 of John 8:58. 'ego' 'eimi' simply means 'I am he'. Paul used it in Acts 10:21, 39. It is total dishonest to apply the title of the great Almighty Creator who was informing Moses of his name, to the simple statement of the Lord Jesus that he had existed before Abreham! 'I am he', yes I am the persons who lived, not on earth but in heavan with my Father, before Abreham ever existed! Names were NOT under discussion but TIMES. Some translators just say "before Abreham I existed". the correct syntax!

[@Ali-pl8rj]

New ernatio//////////////// No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven-the Son of Man.

[@Ali-pl8rj]

Explain me please.(.came from heaven)

[@Grace-ty5ny]

Interesting that you post that, but read the Epistle unto the Hebrews, especially the first chapter when Paul repeats what the GODHEAD, the FATHER, says of His Son: " Bur unto the Son He saith: Thy throne O GOD is forever and ever, a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. " "And again when HE bringeth the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him." The LORD Jesus said that: "For there are three that beareth witness in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one." How couldn't these men understand these verses? Seek to know the mystery of godliness: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Why would the apostles write :" And the grace of God the Father and of our Lord Jesus Christ..." You err.

[@IsJesusGod.]

The Biblical Facts Jesus Is Not GOD Or An Angel, Or Pre-existed His flesh! In the beginning was GOD's word, not GOD's Son, John 1:1, Genesis 1: 3 And God said. Jesus is The (Word of GOD), not GOD the Word. GOD did not become flesh, the Word of GOD became flesh. If Jesus were Michael the Archangel, John 1:14 would say: and Michael the Archangel became flesh. If Jesus were GOD the Father, John 1:14 would say: And GOD the Father became flesh. The True Jesus was foreknown, not Pre-existing, 1 Peter 1:20. Nowhere in the whole Bible does it say Jesus was going ''BACK'' or ''RETURNING'' to the Father. In the beginning GOD spoke through the prophets, not through the Son Hebrews 1:1. GOD spoke through His SON in the last days, not in the beginning of days Hebrews 1:2. GOD The Son cannot be the SON of GOD, because The Son would instead be the Son of Himself. GOD gave His SON, not Himself. John 3:16. If the Father were the SON, why did the Father need to come as the SON? No one has ever seen GOD at any time, John 1:1, 1 John 4:12, contrary to the fact that Jesus has been seen thousands of times. Jesus has a GOD, so Jesus cant be that GOD. Humans and Angels cannot worship Angels, proving Jesus was not an Angel. The Only Begotten Son was Begotten, GOD is not Begotten, but always was. The true Jesus was BORN from GOD, not from eternity. Jesus is The (Son of Man), GOD is not a Son of man Numbers 23:19 Jesus must be a MAN and not GOD, to be a Mediator between GOD and Man. Jesus is the second and last perfect Adam, so as Adam did not pre-exist, nor did the second, and last perfect Adam, Jesus freely gave His life, which would not be possible if Jesus were GOD. Jesus is never called The Almighty GOD, but the SON of the Almighty GOD, John 10:36. The Almighty GOD never ever said He was the Son, just as the Son never ever said He was GOD. Jesus said He could do nothing on His own proving He was not Almighty GOD. Jesus will hand over the world back to GOD, but should be back to Himself if Jesus were already GOD. GOD is ONE person, that's why GOD is called The ''ONE TRUE GOD'' John 17:3. THREE separate persons who are each GOD, makes THREE GODS, and not One GOD. Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say GOD is THREE persons. In John 14:11 Jesus tells us He is "IN" the Father and the Father is ''IN'' Him. If Jesus were GOD that would make TWO GODS. Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say the Holy Spirit is a separate person. There is no separate Holy Spirit in John 1:1, or John 10:30, or on GOD's throne, or anywhere in the whole Bible. Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus is the creator. Nowhere in the Word of GOD does it say Jesus was GOD and a MAN, or had two natures. A Pre-existing Jesus could not be The True Christ, because The True Christ came into existence in the women's womb as The Son of MAN. Christ never means I AM GOD, but means (The anointed one of GOD). In John 8:58 Jesus said: (I am). NOT I Existed. John 8:58, (I am) means (I am the one), as seen in John 4:6. NOT I AM GOD, or ALIVE before being born. Notice how Jesus tells us in John 8:56 Abraham your father rejoiced in that he should see My day--and he saw it and rejoiced." Did you notice how nothing was said by Jesus saying He was ALIVE and saw Abraham, which should be the case if Jesus meant what most believe that Jesus was GOD or ALIVE with GOD before He was Begotten? In John 14:11 Jesus tells us He is "IN" the Father and the Father is ''IN'' Him. If Jesus were GOD that would make TWO GODS. Thanks to GOD through Christ! Because of GOD, Jesus will live for eternity, proving Jesus is not GOD. Because of Jesus, we can come to know the One True GOD and father of creation. Because of Jesus, the saved will live for eternity, so lets thank GOD for Jesus, for eternity. What GOD and Christ do you know?

[@user-yr3ty6je7g]

Human reasoning because you refuse to believe. Only God can raise the dead,control weather, be worshipped, had no beginning or can forgive sins and judge the world. Jesus did all of the above and when you die you will see that Jesus is God like He said. The sad part is that all unbelievers will die and spend eternity in the lake of fire.

[@hommerecorder7003]

​@@user-yr3ty6je7gYes only GOD. !!!! But ,when Youu have the Holy Spirit. from GOD!, , (the Dove) .GOD can make everthing true You , if he will , !!!! But the stupid People understand not. Shalom❤

[@davidboamah6679]

Thanks. Many good points. Are you on Facebook?

[@antonkoivisto2999]

All power and authority were GIVEN to Jesus. Peter walked on water, an attribute considered to be unique to God.

[@lowellbarger5999]

Not God of jews.on the sign above him on tree was king of jews

[@summerlumidao7119]

THOSE WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE ON THE SON WHO IS GOD DOESN'T BELIEVE ON THE FATHER WHO IS ALL GOD.. THAT'S WHAT IT MEAN.... JESUS BEFORE HE WAS MAN HE WAS GOD. JOHN 1:1.

[@pekde]

So Jesus was YHWH?

[@4dy4dy]

Read again John 1 with 1... as it does not say that before he was man he was god. If you read carefully you will see that verses 1 through 3 speak of God the Father, not the LORD JESUS. In Genesis, the Bible begins with God the father who was before there was even words, life and light. God the Father (Creator) was the one who spoke the words, and through words created everything including life (with all its conception of existence). Now verse 4 says that in HIM (God the Father, the Creator) was all of existence (life), and in LIFE was LIGHT for people. It does not say that HE was LIFE, and LIFE was LIGHT. And the LIGHT was Jesus as you assume. It says that "in" HIM was life, (God the Father, the Creator of all things existed before life existed). In this LIFE (created by the creator) was LIGHT for the people, (knowing the bible and genesis we know that man fell from this LIFE and is now in the realm of those who die)... and this LIGHT (Lord Jesus) is the giver of life to people (their light/salvation). Jesus is the light of the world... he is the love/the promise/ the salvation/the chosen one by which God created everything, that's why in Genesis we see that HE (The Father) created LIGHT before he created physical things.

[@summerlumidao7119]

@@4dy4dy in this verse Philippians 2:6-8 New International Version 6 Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature[b] of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross!

[@summerlumidao7119]

@@4dy4dy i do not believe that Jesus was Created, hes was self existing . . Because of this verse Proverbs 8:22-31 King James Version 22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. The one thats is created for him was his Body of a man written in Hebrews 10:5 . . He was in the bossom of the father. . Unlike Adam formed by dust. . John 1:18 King James Version (KJV)No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Pay attention to the first verse that its says there are many Gods in Heaven or earth.. Yes I agree that God is one God no one can deny what is written and I Believe what is written is the truth. . Going back to the first verse "there many Gods in heaven or earth" 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 New International Version 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Jesus came to earth to fullfill what is written for him and In ISAIAH 9:6 it is written thay he wilL be called MIGHTY GOD. . Isaiah 9:6 In-Context6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He was called "true God" 1John 5:20

[@4dy4dy]

@@summerlumidao7119 I think it's the same problem here... You have to read from the perspective of a doctrine/belief/understanding to mean what you think it says. "Who, being in very nature[a] God" here is a hard translation, because in every translation I've looked at it says a little differently. In the Romanian translation it says "in the image of God" in another translation it says "in the likeness of God", another "in the form/essence of God". Adam and Eve was created in the likeness/image/essence of God. And not just in one place it says, that humans/menkind are sons of God. The difference between Adam and Jesus was that Adam and Eve wanted to be like God (that's why they ate from the tree), but in Jesus this sin was not found. The man wants to rule to be emperor (so no one is like me, human sinful nature)... The Lord Jesus did not have this sinful desire, he respected everything that God the Father had put him to do... He Jesus wants to share the throne with those who follow and obey him (Rev 3:21) More than that... even though he received the kingdom from God the Father, by right and deserve. He the Lord Jesus will give the kingdom back under the authority of the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24-27 ). In the verses you gave if you read to 11 it explains everything "Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." Jesus is the Lord (not God) for the glory of God the Father. May God bless you.

[@darko3582]

When your knees bows for the Lord Jesus Christ, than you going to know for sure who He is! Bunch of heretics! Philippians 2:10, 11 KJV “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;” “And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”

[@teresamalinao9752]

Another name of Jesus is Emmanuel;when translated God with us

[@alexcampbell3032]

Your statement is true, and I'm happy to see you state it twice.

[@AstariahJW]

That doesn't mean it was actually God in human form.

[@antoinekiwan5832]

@@AstariahJW John 5 :18 Son of God is God

[@AstariahJW]

@@antoinekiwan5832 you mean a god or divine Jesus is divine but hes not almighty God

[@antoinekiwan5832]

@@AstariahJW if u are JW I can discuss some scriptures with you about the eternal son. Micah 5:2 John 1 :3 Hebrews 1:2 Colossians 1:16 Proverbs 8 :22 John 17:5