John Deere 1 Series VS. Kubota BX Series

[@ryanmccaslin9659]

I work at one of the very few dealers in the world that sell both companies under one roof. Which makes my job pretty awesome! I think these are all great points I find that no companies make a dead solid apples to apples, all of them have their niches. The John Deere will flat out out lift the Kubota (955lbs over 739lbs .) The Deere makes some implements easier to take on and off and Kubota does a better job with others. Kubota's SS QT is easier than the JD system. All that being said I sell more Kubota's over Deere's myself just because they make more models of compacts making it easy for folks to find the right size tractor. If i were an Ag salesman more than likely it would be flipped. Either of these tractors are the two best options there is no doubt about it. I urge folks to do their home work and see which one suits them best.

[@beer3029]

5 years later, which is more reliable?

[@borderben01]

I did my own research this past spring when I bought my 2018 BX23S. They were very, very close in comparison, but the BX had a few more creature comforts I really liked. The 1025R was $5,000 more! Kubota had 84 months with 0% interest financing and a lower price? SOLD! I regret nothing, this little tractor is a beast and I love every second I've spent on it.

[@saseals]

I'm doing the same comparing as you did 3 years ago. 84 months with 0 interest AND no money down on the Kubota is hard to beat.

[@paulrussellevans]

I finally had to choose between the two a couple of weeks ago. It was always going to be a Kubota BX23S, but at the last minute i did some further research on the 1025R. I went Green! Here's why... Greater lift capacity on the loader. Much tighter turning circle. I pictured the steel body panels on the Kubota looking less than stellar in a few years time. 260B backhoe is much improved over the example compared in the 2017 video. I prefer the forward and reverse pedal arrangement on JD. Backhoe has it's own seat. Stabilizer hold up hooks part of the backhoe design now. What I feel I gave up by not buying the Kubota... I am a big fan of Japanese designed and built products. I prefer the single cylinder for the loader bucket curl, and what I think is a stiffer loader construction. The BX is, to my eyes, a better looking machine. I would have had an extra $4,500 left in my bank account! Someone mentioned that they prefer that Kubota uses a Japanese motor. JD's Yanmar motor is Japanese also. Many of Messick's criticisms of the 1025R have been addressed at this date (maybe partly because of their comparison?).

[@wraith3951]

I had the same fight and went green too! I do admit that New Front End Loader System is pretty slick. you only have to get off the tractor just to hang the single lever release hose assembly

[@ominösersüddeutscher]

@@wraith3951 and you can optional buying quick release loader hydraulic hoses

[@williamdarico2369]

Wait till it breaks bend over and grab the soap!

[@justadbeer]

I don't think you can go wrong with either machine. We were looking for a larger series compact model and also looked at the JD. In the end, we opted for the B2650 as it's lift capacity was almost double that of the JD, and I would have to go all the up to a 4 series 43 HP in a JD to even get close to Kubota's B series And after all, that's really why we are buying a tractor in the first place.

[@HuserHelpers]

You are very right on the price. I was looking for used tractors, and my 140 hour Kubota BX2660 was 4K less than the average used JD.

[@mark31383]

I've rented both machines (2018 models) and relay liked them both, I found both tractors to have pros and cons. Although a lot of people don't like the Deere’s plastic hoods and fenders I do like them, don't have to worry about rust. Deere also has a noticeable lifting capacity advantage with the loader over the Kubota. As for the Kubota, I did like it better for a couple of reasons. First, the hydraulics move a lot faster that the Deere, this is very noticeable when operating the backhoe. The Kubota’s backhoe also had a lot more power. Second, the placement of the 4 wheel drive leaver. When I had to switch from 2x4 to 4x4 the Kubota’s handle was right next to you, where the Deere’s was in an odd place. One thing that at first I didn't like about Kubota was how far the loader stuck out, but after using it I actually liked it, and it really helped out when I had to pushing brush back, it keeps it away from the tractor, when using the Deere doing the same job, brush was in the grill of the tractor. Another thing I noticed about the Deere, when you had a full load of dirt in the bucket, you could see the loader arms flex a little, not sure if that's an issue. One of the biggest issue I had with the Kubota was the lifting capacity of the loader, unlike the Deere if I took a full bucket of dirt that was piled higher that the sides of the bucket, the Kubota would struggle to lift it, where the Deere wouldn’t have much of an issue (even though the bucket is a little bit bigger), once I shook the bucket and all the excess dirt was off, it wasn't an issue. I didn’t get a change to use the 3 point hitch on either machines so I'm not sure about that…. Still not sure which one to get, kind of hung up on the loader lift capacity and the plastic hood/fenders…. Just my two cents.

[@timtwing5886]

One reason the Deere has a higher lift capacity is because the loader is closer to the tractor so it doesn't lift as high.

[@The1025RChannel]

@@timtwing5886 lift height is nearly identical. The big difference is the SSQA vs the JDQA. The SSQA is a lot heavier and pushes the bucket further out. The other difference is the 120r loader is simply more capable.

[@JediL1C1OUSNESS]

I just purchased a bx2380 after very nearly choosing the 1025r. I noticed many of these same comparison issues myself before having watched this video. I feel the bx80 series was the better choice for me and it feels just a lot more refined in multiple ways. I agree with the comparisons in this video and feel it was pretty well done, even down to the noise comparison with the DB meter. Thanks.

[@eosjoe565]

First let me say I really enjoy your reviews. I'm not a JD fanboy but the Deere quick attach system for the loader bucket has been around a long time and it is flawless. Very easy on and off. The new BX quick attach system is a huge improvement for Kubota because the previous quick change bucket system was anything but easy or quick. While I agree that the skid steer universal coupler is nice, it's a total waste on a sub-compact tractor as most skid steer implements are too heavy for this class of machine. So in a way you are still limited to the attachments you can effectively use.

[@MessicksEquip]

your kinda right. There are limitations on this size tractor. The beauty of subcompacts has always been that implements are made specifically for this class of tractor. What would excite me is not just whats offered today, but what the myriad of attachment companies can come up with for the future?

[@johnh1235]

I totally agree. People will bash the JD system and say that the pins break and that it is a cheap system, but that is not the case. Great comment!

[@robertpsears]

I have owned and operated both machines Deere made huge improvements on the 2018 which I currently own. The backhoe is flawless and I like the stabilizer locks i like the step and grab handle to get on the backhoe. They addressed the hidden 4wd lever. The fuel gauge is still a float style in the tank but it works fine. The side panels no longer need tools to take off and the hood is supported with struts now. What made me go green was the twin touch hydro pedal I am just not a fan of the treadle pedal. Let's face it they both are awesome and have great factory support and dealer support. Leaps and bounds over Mahindra.

[@Coloredeggfarms]

Thanks for the review. You brought up a lot of valid points for sure. I like the fact that the front loader is more universal. I absolutely hate "proprietary" Its just an excuse to charge you more. The casting issue is just to cut corners and the backhoe tubes defiantly don't look as organized. One of my disagreements was the gas gauge though. I would prefer the deere's over the kubota in that its simple. How many older tractors do you find a working gas gauge in. I also would prefer the controls that are under/near the seat being a little harder to reach but offering them better protection. All in all I would have liked to see this video give some actual numbers like lift capacity, torque different etc backhoe swing/ digging depth, turning radius, more informative than just pointing out things. This would have made this a well rounded review

[@leonardrice2830]

I’m new to the tractor world. Looking at all the Messick’s videos, I’m not embarrassed by my Rural King 55 at all.

[@jeffreyconforti4689]

I love my BX2200 having it for 20 years now. Traded a JD compact for it. I DO MISS the twin touch pedal on the Deere though. The twin touch pedal on the JD is terrific.

[@aday1637]

JD refined the ROPS, the engine cover, the backhoe hose position, and on and on since this was made. Plus the JD now has separate seats for the backhoe and tractor. And the kicker is the forward and reverse pedals on the JD instead of the treadle deal on the Kube which is a pain in the arse when using the loader. All in all looks like JD did a one up on Kube.

[@MessicksEquip]

+A Day separate seat is actually a HUGE negative on the size tractor. Causes a big problem with your departure angle on a trailer because of the set back. Kinda funny, most tractor companies are moving in the opposite direction. The rest of the things that they added like to cushioning on the backhoe just playing catch-up to things that Kubota has had for years.

[@phatzuk109]

Exactly! I bought a 2018 1025R and it's currently the best sub-compact out there...MF 1720 is a close 2nd! I absolutely love the 2nd seat for the hoe and the loader blows the BX away both in capacity and lift/lower times. Kubota is 3rd...IMO

[@trains11111]

The plastic dose hold up well. That panel on the john Deere is back lit.Drive over decks sure beat pulling it under the tractor by hand. Using a 1025r to clear land. Their is a factory option for if you are going to use grapples on the the loader. The wait a tractor can lift partly controlled by blasting of the tractor. That tractor has more power and pulling power than you give it credit for.

[@richardholder8847]

Hi Neal, great video. I'm a Kubota and Deere fan. Actually have had great service from both. I'm currently shopping for a small TLB and wanted to add some thoughts. Bucket Quick attach system/Loader....I agree the Skid Loader Quick Attach is much nicer. However the only negative I see is the weight it adds to a small capacity loader. Looking at the Kubota cut sheet shows 126 pounds less capacity at the pins to full height if you opt for the Quick attach. The Deere system sucks because you can't use attachments you may already have or need to buy special attachment however it's lighter and the Deere loader is stronger too. Deere also updated the loader too now. It's a 120r now and will out-lift Kubota. However the Kubota valve is superior. Also the Kubota hydraulic connection is superior. Pick your poison......smooth and easy to work or capacity....... Mid Mount Mower......Kubota has two options. Personally their drive over deck is terrible. The ramps rattle and you need to mess with them when you want to use the feature. The other deck is a nice deck with a traditional connection. The Deere auto connect deck is better just because it's so easy to put on and off. My .02 cents Instrumentation.......The Deere panel is backlit just to clarify that but I couldn't agree more. A bouncy little lawn mower fuel gauge is a joke. Why would Deere do something so stupid? Backhoe.....The Kubota wins here. However Deere redesigned the 260 backhoe. It is now a 260B. The upgrades are.....cushioned cylinders( like Kubota) clean hydraulic hose routing (like Kubota) stabilizer mounted step and ROPS mounted grab handle, stabilizer mounted step, second seat attached to backhoe...no more swivel seat, clean control pod....much more finished. This looks to be a case of Kubota having a better mouse trap and Deere answering back. As consumers this is how we win. Transmission.......Deere uses a cooler and Kubota runs a fan. Several aftermarket skid plate options available for the BX to protect this fan. Advantage Deere Control layout....Advantage Kubota.....better placement and feel. Position control.....Deere advantage. Lighting.......Kubota has a flimsy set of amber lights mounted to the ROPS.....Deere adds driving lights on the fenders also and their ambers lights are higher mounted on the ROPS. Both companies are lacking metal guarding on their lights. Engine.....I think both machines have great motors, the Yanmar is much larger however. The Kubota D902 is 54-55 cubic inch engine however the Yanmar is 77 cubic inches. I would be surprised the Kubota makes more torque than the Yanmar. I know the specs show it but the fact it's so much larger makes me question that. Pricing......damn green paint......advantage Kubota Overall both great machines. I'm on the fence, leaning to Deere however. My reasons are loader not as smooth however has more capacity, gauges are not as nice however has in my opinion better hydro pedals, new backhoe looks to be competitive with Kubota, mmm is better. Kubota feels much smaller and I'm a big guy. Hope this comes off the way intended, fair and unbiased......keep up the great vids

[@WJCTechyman]

Richard Holder Nice points, sir. It's interesting to see that Deere has some more loader capacity and it uses an actual cooler on the transmission like the way an engine is cooled. I sat on both a Kubota BX and a Deere 1 series. Huron Tractor, our local Deere dealer loans one to a supermarket each fall as part of a display. I could care less for the plastic shell but Yanmar engines are about as dependable as Kubota...but at the same time I seem to like Japanese engines (have two Honda mowers) so it may be my bias. Thank you for the information, but I think if I was to buy a sub compact tractor, I may stick with Kubota, as they're more affordable and reliable. I've also checked out Massey-Ferguson and New Holland, they seem to be nice pieces of equipment too.

[@chasetemple3129]

One flaw with your comment, Deere is just as reliable as Kubota

[@ExpecteDDissapointment]

@@chasetemple3129 when are you going on Joe rogan show because you got jokes😂

[@tyrrellroach8122]

I purchased a JD 1025 for light loader work for my landscape company last year and I have to say I haven't noticed too many of the shortfalls you mention. I can easily reach filters and dipsticks for maintenance. The tractor seems to work well and is more capable than I thought it would be. I will say that using only one function of the loader at a time is annoying but the lift capacity of the tractor was about 150-200# better than the kabota bx that I was looking at. But honestly what made me go with Deere was that they offered me better pricing for a similarly equipped tractor oh but the Deere had quick attach the kabota didn't and the kabota dealer didn't return my call or offer to use the equipment before I purchased but the did give lots of brochures that told me JD shortfalls

[@MessicksEquip]

+Tyrrell Roach 100% agree if you got better service elsewhere... That's were you buy. Your buying the dealer and the tractor.

[@CurtisDrew1]

So happy to read your opinion on the JD,Tyrrell Roach. I am currently shopping for a small tractor. I borrow my neighbors Kubota when I need a loader, but I hate how it works. Just doesn't do what I need unless I do it a little at a time. I have worn out my 1984 4 WD Case 244. All attachments are 3 point. I definitly need a loader and backhoe, which my Case is missing, and having a drive over mower would making mowing the 3 acre back yard a lot faster. I have a JD 304 4 wheel steer mower that the wife like to use on the 1 acre front yard. but the backyard is so rough it beats her up on the little mower. I just deal with it! I'm building raised gardens and want to put in an Aquaponic Pool back there, plus do rainwater harvesting off my 3000 sq ft shop/ barn. So many project, so little time. So I need a workhorse tractor that can do it all. Good comparison Messick. Thanks! I'm going to look at the JD 2 Series too!

[@bertpenney5901]

Good point on the lifting capacity of the Kubota loader. I have a 2020 BX23S - with the quick attach system which reduces the lifting capacity to an almost embarrassing level. Overall, I am very happy with the Kubota but I do wish it could lift more than my lunch. :-(

[@zeth613]

I own a 1025R. You did a fair and balanced review. the shortcomings you pointed out on the 1025R are correct. I enjoy watching your video comparisons.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Seth Cornwell thanks so much. I appreciate the compliment. I try hard to be fair.

[@canammasseymd.2534]

That is the response I was searching for. So if you had a choice to make the purchase again, would you go with the kubota the second time around? I like John Deere, but being locked in to their equipment is not that cool when you’re paying a premium.

[@teee2265]

But he did not mention how the deer could lift more to max height then the Kubota can also to lift off the ground the deer believe it or not it has a smaller turn radius and the backhoe has more digging force

[@willp82]

Great review. I have the Deere and my neighbor has the Kubota. Both really nice tractors, I wish mine had some Kubota stuff and he wants some of the Deere stuff. Can't have it all...

[@glennso47]

Will Pettigrew Trade?

[@booifojoe]

I'm sure you two spend your off time doing tug-o-wars to prove who tractor has the bigger peni- PTO

[@petergeralis3725]

Will Pettigrew fair!

[@_multiverse_]

I doubt your neighbor wants any of your garbage.

[@bigg7882]

Sam I think it’s the other way around😂

[@jws20000]

Love your videos. Very informative and well presented. I started out looking at a 1025R but eventually bought a BX23S. Pretty much concur with everything you have said. Very little to criticize on the Kubota. I should mention I live in Canada and the price difference was huge. It might be the yen vs US dollar but the 1025R was over 30% more, at least what the local dealers quoted me.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Blair Taylor thanks for the good word

[@ernestbecker5213]

I watched all the comparison videos for these two tractors and went with the Kubota mostly because of the customer experience. I told both salesman I wanted the plow blade on the loader and a snow thrower for the rear. The JD said "why would you ever want to do that" while the Kubota dealer said "sure, we can do whatever you want." Done

[@BlueClearSkies]

Enjoyed the video. I bought a BX23S this week, and your videos certainly made that decision easier. One point of clarification, the Kubota BX2412 factory 3rd function is actually a diverter. A single button--not two buttons--is installed on the FEL control knob and when depressed, the side-to-side motion that controls bucket tilt is diverted to control the grapple. This is my only disappointment with the machine. I think Kubota's marketing dept needs to rethink calling this a 3rd function. It's an either/or button.

[@MessicksEquip]

You are correct. Thanks for helping to clarify that. I'd suspect part of the reason this is done is because doing it as a true 3rd function would require two more wet lines though the single lever coupler to preserve the ability to easily drop the loader.

[@prjndigo]

8 position 3 point is good for adjusting spreader height and using for lift pans when you're doing hand work with the tractor supporting.

[@chaseself9151]

I feel like you are always doing your reviews through rose colored glasses. Everyone has their preferences. The one thing I agree with you on all your videos is that customers need to not shop by brand but the dealer. I have a 1023e and love my tractor.

[@cashxx]

Be nice to see an updated version of this video between the latest BX23S and latest 1025r!

[@MessicksEquip]

They're generally very few changes, if any at all, when the model number doesn't change.

[@robertpsears]

Deere's new 2018 1025r fixed most of what you point out in your video. Along with some features Kubota is lacking.

[@MessicksEquip]

I just saw my first 2018 last week. The backhoe finally (after more than a decade) received cushioning values. Since the video I did learn that Deere does not make this backhoe. Its built by AmeriQuip and is also used on Mahindra tractors and sold by Wallenstein. They updated the 210 loader, the new design looks better but it took a 10-15% DROP in lift capacity.. which is arguably the biggest advantage Deere had over the Kubota. Other than these things, is there something your aware of that I missed?

[@MrBigTexFyre]

I have been shopping for tractors and I've noticed a few things that weren't pointed out in the video: (1) Deere has a suspension seat which s important to a fat boy like me. (2) I have used Deere backhoes for over 20 yrs and that loader controller isn't nearly as difficult as he makes out. I noticed that you didn't operate the Kubota loader to show how "easy" it is. (3) This is a biggie.. the two separate pedals for forward and reverse on the Kubota works your leg to death when doing a lot of back and forth work. The one pedal on the Deere is a lot easier to use. I haven't bought either tractor so I don't have any loyalty to either one. I've read good and bad on both, but if you're going to do a review be fair.

[@MessicksEquip]

Kubota also uses a suspension undercarriage. That's super common on this kind of equipment. If you look at our channel, I've done about 6-8 videos on the Kubota showing far more detail, including one on the pedal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZvCgquNqqaLj8k

[@MrBigTexFyre]

Thanks for the reply. I can appreciate someone who addresses a potential customer's concerns. I will definitely look at those videos. Thanks

[@danstevens2204]

Kubota with Kubota engine guaranteed support. Jd with yanmar engine. If either farts at the dinner table you could be on your own. Jd are much like mf and sell on past successes

[@MrManic52001]

You need to excersie more if you are actually saying using either is going to work your legs to death.

[@ramosel]

If the Kubota backhoe major components are indeed, "castings".... the cut steel on the JD may be a stronger option. I hope what you meant was forgings.

[@jefferybarron929]

First off... I do love Kubota and have switched from John Deere for my larger tractor needs. Something to do with Aluminum rear axle housings in critical areas. I like Neil's blogs on everything Kubota... However, Until Kubota has a Drive over auto connect deck that takes about 2 minutes to put on or take off as well as leg stands for the removable loader that doesn't sink in the dirt, you have a long way to go before you can slam a 1026R subcompact tractor... About the Yanmar diesel engine, well lets just say that little 24 hp engine that could, does!!! That tractor was a Hoss in anyone's book. It would do work that many larger tractors would struggle with... This is an area that Kubota needs to go back to the drawing board on. Drive over deck auto connect and boom stands that don't sink in the mud... It could be Huge!!!

[@MessicksEquip]

Kubota has a drive over deck. Both Deere's and Kubota's drive over have their issues. Neither are as good as you would be lead to believe.

[@leetime454]

These two tractors really focus on different primary attributes. The kubota really focuses on tractor/loader/backhoe while the JD is primarily focused on mowing and 3 point implement that need position control but needless to say both will do all. John Deere's auto connect deck is significantly easier than kubota's drive over and their loader is pretty user friendly for installation/removal in the aspect that the drop down stand automatically comes down if the loader is removed. A large portion of the people buying these SCUTs are first time tractor owners so ease of installation/removal of implements is huge especially since most of these tractors this size probably spend 90% of their time cutting grass. On the flip side I don't know if Kubota has a mid-pto reverse implement override but it seems to be a major complaint with owners on this JD tractor having the mowing deck disengage every time you put the tractor in reverse. I will say I have enjoyed your comparisons. They are by far the most level comparisons I've found so far on youtube.

[@MessicksEquip]

+On_point no cutout on reverse. Was unaware Deere had that. Thanks

[@killstrees]

Yeah, its the worst "safety" feature ever. All their garden tractors, and even larger 2 (maybe 3 and 4) series do it too. Only machines that Deere makes in the homeowner/commercial mowing segment are zero turns and front deck mowers that don't shut the machine/deck/implement off when reversing. Simple jumper wire fixes the problem for good, but its not easy to do when the machine isn't mine and I have used a lot of deere mowers.

[@lyndontaman4944]

Do you not know how to engage the reverse override?

[@keegantimber8571]

Big thanks to Neil at Messicks. If I was closer, and lived in the U.S., I most definitely would have looked you up for my dealer. About 6 months ago started researching small tractors....to help with my dead and dying ash trees as a result of the Emerald Ash Borer. Im tired, getting old, have taken down about 30 large ash trees with simple old fashioned tools and procedures. Hoping a tractor will give me a helping hand...help save my back.. with another 40 trees that need to be taken down.... I reside in Southern Ontario, Canada. I must say that this comparison video was the very very most important video in my months of researching...along with watching My Cluttered Garage, GP Outdoors, Tractor time with tim (and Martha), to name a few of my favourites. My eyes were opened in regards to loader lift capacity of the two models...will say no more... To back track a little, a few years back a friend needed somewhere to park his 20?? series compact Deere. He parked it at my house, and allowed me use of it. I was surprised with the capabilities of the front end loader or should I say incapabilities when I went to pick up a large rock. Now, in fairness, I was a total newbie and really didnt know what I was doing, so Im not knocking the tractor. Anyways, this stuck in my head, and again came to light during Tims comparison video...realizing I most likely would not be happy with a BX23S. However, I went tractor shopping....1025R and BX23S...thinking I would end up green. In my area, Johnnies were quoted at $6000 more than the comparable Orange Kubbies!!!. YES. 6 grand. I wasnt real impressed with the Green Salesman and the dealership was 30 minutes away. I was impressed with the Orange salesman, the dealership is 10 minutes away and I have done business with them before. So, I took the $6000 extra I would have paid to go green, and instead moved up to a B2601 TLB orange Kubbie. Presently anxiously awaiting delivery with hopes these troubled times dont hold it up too much. R14 tires, 3rd function etc are all back ordered, but dealer is expecting basic tractor delivery sometime this month..hopefully. Thanks again for your efforts and time in posting ALL your vids.

[@asgroupconstruction7839]

Here in ontario Canada I went with kubota because they are nearly half the price of a deere. Also looking at used ones kubota holds there value a lot more then the deere that is because of the price of them brand new.

[@loganmaclean6384]

I know you mainly sell Kubota, but when you slag off John Deere you don't really complain about the Kubota machine. You also don't show each part for example on the loader arms, you made it clear you preferred the Kubota but didn't show how/why you preferred it.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Logan Maclean that's intentional. I try and make comparisons to typical tractors, rather than cherry pick a Kubota that maybe superior in some small way. Lots of cherry picking is done when others do comparisons like this.

[@loganmaclean6384]

Messick Farm Equipment thanks for the reply.

[@keith5031]

I think you cherry pick a lot. Seen a few of your "comparison" vids. I would call them "piss on JD and lift up Kubota" vids myself. The only reason I still try and watch one now and then is to see if you truly do become a little more un-bias in your opinions. But so far, not so much.

[@phatzuk109]

I feel the same way...unnecessary snark makes it difficult to watch. He is a Kubota salesman, so I'm not surprised, but it still doesn't change things...

[@robertbunch8362]

Exactly!!!

[@mrgearheadfromhell]

I actually was just at a Kubota dealer pricing a tractor with a backhoe, the quote was $28,100 out the door. I bought a 2015 1025R with the loader, backhoe and a box blade for $16,000 delivered with 110 hours on the unit. So far it's doing everything I need at just over half the price.

[@MessicksEquip]

+mrgearheadfromhell something is extremely wrong there. 28k is way, way over full MSRP.

[@mrgearheadfromhell]

I think he actually quoted me on a "L" series? I guess that is the next step up from the "BX"? Either way I went on John Deere's website and built one and it came out to just over $24,000 so at 16K I still saved 8K on a tractor with 110 hours on it. My concern was if I bought some used piece of junk not only would I have maintenance and repairs to think of I would also have little to no trade in value if or when I need to step up to a bigger tractor. I do like the universal attaching point on the Kubota and the wet line is a good thing to have if you want to run hydraulic implements. At the end of the day I feel I got a real good deal and also helped the guy out as he is moving and needed to sell the tractor. And I'm sure that with proper care and maintenance I won't have any trouble getting my money out of it, I have the original sales receipt where he paid just over 19K for it I worked at a landfill for 10 years on heavy equipment so I know my way around maintaining and repairing equipment, that in itself will save me a lot and this unit being non emission was a big deal; That can also be said for the Kubota, and that is a big deal.

[@MessicksEquip]

:-) there is a B2301, B2601, B2650 and B3350 all between a BX23S and the smallest of the L-series tractors. Not exactly apples to apples :-). that is a fine deal, here is to years of good service.

[@tomherzig6418]

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[@SynMonger]

If the machine alone were the only consideration I'd have a BX 80 series right now. All the points you made had my mind made up during my search, but I have a 1025R because of all the tractor dealers within a 2 hour drive only one ever called or e-mailed me back and it was Deere.

[@MessicksEquip]

+SynMonger to be honest, you made the right choice. I talk about buying dealer first in some other videos.

[@thelakessubdivision7686]

I just expanded my search to other Kubota dealers. I ended up buying in Arkansas even though I live in MO as I couldn't get dealers to return my calls/emails or otherwise be interested in the fact that I wanted to give them 20+K

[@danielsharon524]

I can say this, the salesman I've spoken w/ @ Messick's has been extremely helpful. Not so w/my local Kubota dealer. The salesman I was dealing w/ @ my local JD dealer was reasonably helpful but left the co. There's one other between me & Messick's but I'd be inclined to go the extra mile(s) & buy from them.

[@therealjoey724]

On the Deere loader after a few times going up and down and moving around it’s easier to use cause you get used to it

[@Jordendog]

Doing research over the past two years, I`ve found myself leaning towards the Kubota.

[@michaelbrewer1474]

I have been doing the same. I think it’s going to come down to honestly the best deal! However I’m leaning more words the Kubota! Zero percent is attractive!!

[@markthibault6551]

Yes Kabota. Uses a standard skid steer front attachment But it is an extra you must purchase It’s not a standard feature

[@Wjones450]

man you know Neil grew up in that dealership! what a knowledgeable guy

[@MustangsTrainsMowers]

That extra room between the engine and hood of the JD possibly helps it cool. Too many modern garden tractors have enclosed hoods and they run too hot. I have to remove the side panels on my Toro 522xi to mow tall grass with it or to run a 60” deck.

[@tboy221]

the John Deere series 2 rectified all the problems you mentioned with the series 1. engine side panels remove without tools, the quick disconnect all in one hydrolic

[@MessicksEquip]

+Sgt davina J. p USMC ret. It's a larger and totally different Tractor that compares to a Kubota B-series

[@tboy221]

Messick Farm Equipment oh ok, I didn't know that. thanks great video.

[@DoRC]

Great comparison though I wish your camera person would get in ans actually show what you're talking about.

[@kevchard5214]

I grew up with John Deer tractors mostly because my dad was a service manager for a dealer. You are so correct John Deer has gone by the way of profit over reliability. They no longer take advice from the service departments of their dealers or from their customers. I think their tractors are designed by financial experts and video gamers rather than people who know what a tractor is used for. I own a Kubota and would not trade it for 3 green tractors. John Deer started this shift to building junk in the late 70s and early 80s.

[@bande0219]

I have heard this from mid-west big boy farms to the northeast smaller farms and residential customers. Either there are a lot of liars or uninformed folks buying/using green tractors.

[@Kbob3985]

I find the reviews you guys do to be surprisingly fair, despite your obvious commercial bias. and that's coming from a "deere person" (i like both but find myself leaning towards deere most often due to personal preference). These tractors are extremely similar in features down to the point where you had to nit pick certain personal preferences to compare. I respect that. One issue I did see that seems to be a bit old fashioned in thinking is the use of castings vs cut and welded pieces. Coming from the metalworking/mechanical engineering field, cut and welded pieces are generally easier and cheaper to make, durability on either is certainly different, generally a big heavy casting is needed to match the durability and tensile strength of a (usually smaller) stronger cut steel component. The difference is the make up of the material, cast steel is more brittle and hard, with more mild steel being ductile and soft, the mild steel has a much higher elastic modulus (means it can bend more and return to original) than a casting which to me says that it would be less likely to fail. Castings are great for tricky locations and geometry but with modern techniques can seem a bit outdated. The only reason a casting would be better is for weight, which tractors usually need. That was the only part that bothered me, otherwise excellent comparison

[@MessicksEquip]

+Kbob3985 thanks for your thoughtful comment

[@ethanfrazier4567]

2 of my neighbors and I have 1series. And we have never had any problems with the autoconnect mower decks. I'd be more than willing to come and show how to connect them.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Ethan Frazier great! When can we expect you?

[@ethanfrazier4567]

Messick Farm Equipment do y'all have one on your lot?

[@ethanfrazier4567]

Messick Farm Equipment I may add that the best way to get the mower deck connected is on lever grass or pavement. The pto as u said doesn't always line up if the tractor is on Unlevel ground.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Ethan Frazier we sold it. We were on asphalt when we tried it. Adjustments on drive over are not an uncommon problem. I know it can work, we've just not had a good one through yet.

[@ethanfrazier4567]

Messick Farm Equipment the best way I have figured out it on flat grass it does sometimes slide on pavement I have heard of issues with the pto.

[@iamthemoss]

You do a great job on your videos. I wish you were closer to Alabama.

[@CoalChrome]

I love how stubby the 3-point on the Kubota is, its soo cute, the whole tractor is. Being used to 5-6k pound beasts of tractors, seing these in person makes me go aww. Also, I've yet to see one with a cab, but It's gotta be adorable.

[@grahampahl7100]

One other area to compare is operating the backhoe through its range of movements, and actually digging with it. The older JD 260 backhoe does not have cushioned cylinders, and it is known that the dipper stick can come back quite hard with it. I think my BX backhoe is a little bit slower in the hydraulic movements but I think offers a great deal more control. The BX backhoe has cushioned cylinders. In order to be 100% accurate I believe that the new JD 260 backhoe has cushioned cylinders. Also need to take into account the airflow through the engine. The BX draws air from the operator station and pushes the air out the front of the tractor, the JD directs the hot air onto the operator. The big strength for the JD IMHO is the pedals. The treadle pedal is more work to drive than the side my side pedals. I may have to look at engineering my own solution to get around that one. Hope this helps.

[@ErnestoRivera86]

You discussed all the areas where you "think" the kubota is better, in detail. Then you come to mower decks and say "both of them have drive over mower decks". Where is the detailed comparison? And you excuse yourself claiming ¨you couldn´t figure out how it works¨ (as a dealer I expect you to know competitors as well as your own tractors). This just shows how Deeres´ system is clearly better and want to avoid showing it,

[@patdufresne6209]

I find removing the loader an irrelevant option since most people keep it at all times. However, it is true what you said about the sweet spot which harder to find on the JD thus frustrating the operator. It is also true that the attachments on JD being not universal, I will cost you more...not good at all...especially if you own more than one tractors and NOT ALL JD TRACTORS. The heavy duty plastic hood I find practical on the JD since it does not beat up if you drop something on it

[@MartysDamnRelaxingSounds]

Both tractors will do any job a prospective buyer will need. The real question is, Do you like Green or do you like Orange. Do you like resell value or are you ok with it or not. This video is good but to nit picky. You buy a tractor to do a hard job not pick out every little issue.

[@MessicksEquip]

Your right, there is some nitpicking. These are two top shelf tractors with more commonality than not.

[@Ethan-ck6iz]

#1 the JDQA attachments aren't overpriced. And #2 they came up with their own attacher because it's closer to the pivot of the loader than a STQA, so it is more efficient. Hence the larger lift capacity.

[@charliebrown8504]

I am a John Deere lover, I would never have a different tractor but I am surprised how well the kubota did, fair comparison, thanks 👍

[@mossey9098]

That was not a fair comparison

[@bigg7882]

Charlie Brown no at all a fair comparison

[@ethanfrazier4567]

Plastic doesn't rust easily replaceable and doesn't dent

[@mattb5029]

Hence why you have a plastic hood and panels on your truck???? (Doesn't dent - it breaks. Easy replaceable - why would you ever need to replace it, oh its plastic, Thats why!)

[@WJCTechyman]

Matt V Apparently those plastic panels are extremely expensive as well. Dent the Kubota, bbang it out and paint it. After two years in a Southern Ontario winter I can see the plastic shattering.

[@jackd5089]

Said like a man who is dog rough on a tractor I tind to take take care of my metal body panels not treat them like a disposal coffee cup

[@ahuman7404]

The plastic losses color and breaks

[@TheRoostersGarage]

I have a 1995 John Deere 455 that I bought used. The plastic hood was cracked, the side panels were missing chunks and have since gotten even more brittle and fallen off. The hood is barely holding anymore and is so discolored it's not even funny. When I open the hood to check the fluids, I'm very careful not to let the hood tweak so I don't lose it completely. I'm looking at eBay replacement parts and it's still gonna be $600 to replace these - Deere parts are much higher. Compare this to my grandpas 1974 John Deere 830 and it's all steel. The paint has faded a little bit in all these years, but that's something in an afternoon can be fixed easily. John Deere going plastic is a decision to drive repair costs and nothing more. They've advertised the strength of plastic, but let's be honest, how well did the Saturn cars hold up with their famously plastic body? A tractor should be around much longer than a car but Deere has gone the way of frequent replacements and yeah, if you swap your tractor out every 2-3 years, it will always look good. The plastic hasn't had enough time to oxidize and become brittle - it's still got some flexibility. But take a 10 year old John Deere and do the rock drop test on the hood and the rocks won't bounce off, the hood will break. Take a 30 year old steel hood and the steel is just as strong as when it was made. I can Bondo dents if I really care but a tractor isn't a show piece, it's a tool. Wrenches are made of steel and not plastic because plastic can't do what steel can.

[@tonyfanelli457]

I own a BX and love it...and you point some good comparison items. One thing I wanted to mention to you...Castings are not always "better" than plate steel....in fact most times plate steel is "better" than a casting... I think what you were trying to point out was the beefiness of the design between two products....which is much more relevant than casting vs. plate.

[@michaelbrewer1474]

Just a thought! The Deere for the ease of use with the deck. And the Kubota for the ease of use with the quick attachments and front loader!Also I do believe that the 1025 has more lift capacity. I do like the position of the control stick on the Kubota. I have never looked at the torque difference. Two excellent machines. Living in TN, orange looks better. Lol

[@TractorTech]

Nice Job. I like how you presented the facts without bashing the Deere. Now lets see a tug of war between the two.

[@MessicksEquip]

Sounds like your a Deere salesmen, as you are repeating Deere talking points. The slip up though is that many of the things you just wrote apply to other series tractors and not the ones in this video.

[@FrequencyOfThought]

Or he knows it will yank that shit around like a paper towel on a string

[@MessicksEquip]

uh oh. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGexoqZugJt_nbM

[@ErnestoRivera86]

uh oh? you clearly don´t know physics if you´re calling that a fair "tug of war". Do you know tractor pulling? ever wondered why they put the weight on the front?

[@calebjefferson7639]

I would always go with a Kubota. Kubota really thinks about the smaller size tractors where as JD doesn't really care or give thought to. And JD is just a trap, even on their row crop tractors, they always use special parts that always cost more.

[@hippo-potamus]

Thanks for great comparison. I appreciate you sharing your real life user experience.

[@nji345]

Good video. But you are comparing kubota brand-new model over John Deere's old model. John Deere's new model doesn't require any bolts to take off the side panels. I would like to see a video comparing John Deere's new model coming out. I personally can't stand the speed Control on (forward and reverse) the Kabota.

[@MessicksEquip]

+nji345 this is Deere's current tractor. If there is a new one on way, you know something I've not heard.

[@nji345]

Messick Farm Equipment the current ones out right now I have a different hood system. And the new ones getting shipped out some time in August have a lot of re-designing done to them. Different model Loader for the one series. And a factory cab option.

[@ethanfrazier4567]

nji345 I agree 100% both are wonderful tractors the new John Deere's has had a lot of revision to some of the things that Neil talked about.

[@outdoorswithlarryrobin]

Have had them both, traded the kubota and have the John Deere 2025R, both nice and kubota loader is better, but the Deere is way superior here on my farm and does work in our chicken house, that the kubota couldn’t. This from a strong Kubota guy!

[@sammarsh6021]

The 3 point lever on the JD is the reason I bought one.

[@curto21]

I wish this video had existed 4 months ago. I did ultimately go with the kubota bx2380. But I was back and forth for over a month between the two. Primarily because Deere's comparison videos are much more prominent online than kubota's.

[@papecat]

very nice. I would like to politely demand a head-to-head comparison between the new 80 series and the new LS MT125 sub compact. That would be a great video.

[@MessicksEquip]

If you can get one to us :-).

[@wrchobby1451]

Can we get a comparison of a 2023 bx and 1 series?

[@FishFind3000]

Having the deer engine bay not being jammed into there will give it better air flow/cooling and more room for maintenance.

[@MessicksEquip]

+FishFind3000 I'd give you cooling, but maintenance leaves serious room for improvement

[@MessicksEquip]

+Pete Jones very much depends on the kind of service being done. Road work is always preferred, complicated things need to come in. Costs vary depending on dates and locations. We cover a huge territory.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Pete Jones no to what?

[@Alex-uy7pc]

Pete Jones he clearly said it depends, are you talking about a switch failing, or something big like the hydraulic pump cracking. One is a field repair the other is a shop repair. maybe if you had the kubota you wouldn't have to worry about the warranty. just kidding bud

[@MessicksEquip]

+Pete Jones. What's the their hourly rate?

[@CoalChrome]

Not to get on Kubota, with our 3-4 year experience with our L5030, it's been very good, however, the ability to have stuff break off of the cab (mostly my fault, I'm used to open station Mahindras), and it's relative lack of torque as compared to our Mahindra 5500s surprises me. Although accoring to Kubota, the L5030 is a compact tractor, where the Mahindra 5500 is a utility tractor, despite only a 5 horse difference. I guess weight factors into that, because the Kubota weighs about 1000 pounds less than our Mahindra. Then again, the Mahindra tractor (in total) is a distant successor of the International WD450, as a successor to that was the first tractor offered by Mahindra, made by IH. The 5500 even sounds like a 60s IH diesel.

[@carlsondennis525]

I do agree with the comments in general, however I do like the Deer color best. I have owned both colors in my work career. I found the Kubota to be the most stable machine in irregular situations, much less tippy. Also the Kubota hydraulics do bleed off as it holds a load, not even a big one, It can then cause safety and damages to surroundings. In my work life I have owned each brand and a number of each but do not have any desire to purchase the green one again. I am now retired and am ready to purchase another and final retirement machine as I do love to putter. No offense to the Deere people, I have used a number of the Ag tractors and they are wonderful. I would like to run a big Kubota just to feel it. Sure enjoy the time I have spent on tractors.

[@jhomrich89]

if comparing this John Deere to the BX70 I would have had to taken the Deere because in my opinion that was a more refined unit in terms of operator layout comfort ect but now this new Kubota has features you don't see on tractors in this class I feel it's worth it all day long

[@chromedome1120]

Very good video, as all of your videos are when comparing the compact and s/c line of tractors . I’ve been off the dairy farm since 1978,and wow have things have changed, if I ever needed a compact tractor , I would lean towards the Kabota , just from all the info I have received by watching your Vids;Keep up the excellent work and I’ll keep watching

[@garrettrainbolt1344]

The only thing I don't like about my BX23S is the transmission is kind of obnoxiously loud

[@gv67011]

my JD has two rams for the bucket Kabota has one , want to avoid rust , park under cover, you weare ear protectiong so no problem, loader comes off much easier, drive over mower is much easier. JD advantage

[@JCLawn51]

I believe deere has a higher lift capacity, but smaller axles

[@bigg7882]

JCLawn51 no higher lift and bigger axles and more weight and easier to service

[@jasonbouma893]

I really think you do a good job on your videos. I actually don't own a Kubota I have a Deere but I think your very fair for the most part. I agree with the Deere and their proprietary coupler on the bucket. I agree on the cast parts vs steel parts. I am in the market for either a BX or a 1025r. I personally can't get over the pedal set up Kubota uses. When your 6' 4" plus the Deere offers more leg room and all day comfort with the twin touch pedals. I really wish Kubota would fix this design flaw and offer a little more room for us tall guys. I'll buy the Deere just for comfort, however I really like the Kubota. My .02 cents. Another nice video!

[@MessicksEquip]

+Jason Bouma thanks. I did an entire video dedicated to pedals. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZvCgquNqqaLj8k

[@jasonbouma893]

Messick Farm Equipment I saw your video on this. I'm sure if you started running a Kubota then you wouldn't have the issue. But when your as tall as I am on these smaller machines it becomes harder to be comfortable long term moving your leg back and forth.Or at least I would find it hard. Either way, Keep up the great work. Do you know of any aftermarket conversion kits for the pedals?

[@bombidude]

I just bought a bx 2380 tractor and love it over the deere

[@that_one_welder2249]

And this is what I prefer detuz

[@FredFlintstone21]

Nice job on your video, thanks for sharing! You shredded Deere, but did it politely. Couple points worth mentioning, the dc socket on the Deere in your video is supposed to have a protective plastic cover snapped over it. The bx dc is in the cup holder? What if you want a drink and plug in something same time? I may have misunderstood you. Regarding the proprietary deere coupler in the front, it should be easy enough to make a quick coupler adapter to snap into, to use what you want. In my opinion, the Deere drive over decks are great, hook up fast, but you do need to get off the tractor and adjust the 4 anti scalping wheels (Unless if you aren't concerned about scalping your lawn), and the deck can move while driving over it, if the surface is smooth below the deck (like an epoxy concrete floor). Hooking up deck driveshafts can a pain to snap on and off. The 1025r hooks up automatically. Location of pto on 1025r is a non issue, especially since you rarely need to switch it. Designed out of the way is nice. I had an early 2014 1025r, seat springs would bottom out (they shouldn't on a 175 lb man), but Deere upgraded the springs later in '14. There is an easy to remove radiator screen on the 1025r, that collects mowing chaff. If engine temp climbs, or steering starts to get a little resistant, clean this screen! Gas gauge would be nice in the dash as you said, but it could be looked at as one more thing to go wrong. Electronic vs a simple mechanical gauge. I'm pretty sure you can get single point hydraulics for the 1025r. I agree with you on hooking up the hoses. One of the 4 on mine usually was a pain to hook up. That's why I went with single point on my new 2032R. I love it. Very important to keep this connection clean. I've had a couple people in the know tell me that these single point connections can leak if dirt or dust gets in them. I did a lot of tough clay digging with my 1025r out at my parents old place, and found loader work with this tractor to perform very well. Don't recall softness or out of place loader handle issues you mentioned. It would be great to see a video of the same two model tractors with two fellas doing similar loader work, switching mower decks, doing applications where this extra bx torque comes into play, etc. One thing that should be standard equipment is rops (or roll bar) light protectors on the Deere. They are easy targets for branches and the like.

[@MessicksEquip]

Thanks for your comment, esp the point of shredding Deere politely. A lot of people who own Green end up taking these very personally and not making constructive comments. I did another video with the drive over deck. I'm not a big fan of them on any brand. Seems to work right they need to be in perfect adjustment.

[@AdamSmith-uv6kr]

I have the BX2380 and neighbor has the 1025R. I agree it’s a give and take on certain things but in the end my opinion is kubota is more of a tractor being that it has live clutch pto, it doesn’t have to be shifted to neutral to get off the seat not to have it shut off, and isn’t plastic everywhere. The Deere has too many lawnmower features. Like electric pro clutch. Bulky yet refined plastic floor, fenders, and hood. Oversized for no reason as in hood size. These are all things that garden tractor companies try to do to make you think you are getting more than you are. Don’t get me wrong I own a John Deere 400 Gardner tractor. Love it and would never let it go. But imo kubota really stays true to being a tractor vs the John Deere. The neutral before leaving seat or tractor shuts off is just too much for me.

[@thelakessubdivision7686]

One thing I noticed in the video was the size and comfort and "look" of the seat on Kubota vs. the JD. It just looked like a lazy boy type seat vs. a standard tractor seat on the JD. Haven't sat in the JD to know comfort though but in the video they def look different.

[@thelakessubdivision7686]

Also I think the the lights on the outside of the rops on the JD are right in the way if you do happen to roll over those are def getting ripped off. Kubota should def place guards around theirs as the lens caps are prone to falling off as well. I think the JD also has a nicer brush guard that is more sturdy than the flimsy sheet metal type guard on the Kubota. Hopefully it will get beefed up next year.

[@fs..]

it takes 3 decibels for a human to notice a change in volume.

[@wraith3951]

It also takes a slam on the brakes to make the volume jump 110db within a mila-second

[@fun2drive107]

A more fair comparison would be to compare the older model Kubota to the John Deere. I say that because the 1025 is virtually unchanged for how many years? Maybe 2008? But the new model Kubota is a fine machine. I have had a lot of experience running JD's years ago and they just ran and never broke. Both seem like great platforms for a 1 series.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Fun2 Drive so you want us to tie one Hand behind our back because Deere can't play ball?

[@wildbill23c]

You should have mentioned the 1 Series has a limited Category 1 Hitch...may be important to some tractor shoppers in the lift height limitations that it has over the full category 1 3 point of the Kubota.

[@zackzander425]

Yeah the Kubota kills JD in compact tractors. New Holland really fell off too. Deere has turned into a shitty company. They don't pay their employees very well (even their engineers) I know because I once worked there. Quality is poor across all product lines. A far cry from the company that created the 4020.

[@1TruePatriot]

And yet this video is comparing SUB-compact tractors--not COMPACT tractors.

[@ChaoticDave69]

You must be a kubota salesmen lol

[@agrimm01]

I liked the parts of your review where you actually compared meaningful information. But, most of your comments were obviously skewed toward information that made no sense to me. Like why wouldn't you want a drive over mower deck? Either you haven't used one or the one you used wasn't set up correctly. It is so easy.

[@MessicksEquip]

The problem with drive over mower decks, from any manufacturer, is that they only work right when they're set up properly. Given things bounce around down there and work their way out of adjustment, there are inevitable issues down the road. My other beef is the number of steps that it takes, many of which are skipped to do a slick video presentation. I'll happily challenge anybody to a race, I'll do it faster taking it out the side every time.

[@agrimm01]

Things don't bounce around and go out of adjustment unless it is totally abused. The only issue I have had that caused difficulties installing the drive over deck was when the tires were low on air. I'd take that bet and you would lose.

[@Drew6709]

There are some options that Kubota should do as standard equipment. Guards around the turn signal lights, position lift 3 point,

[@rotaryenginepete]

Agreed. I have snagged my BX25D's signal and marker lights on some tree branches/brush. Luckily they usually snap off and fall to the ground, so all I have to do is snap them back on. But they really could use some steel guards around them. The 3 point position control would be nice, and I'd like to see a better FEL leveling indicator.

[@alpine9996]

The only thing Kubota needs is the twin touch pedal control like JD.

[@MessicksEquip]

+Jeff Conforti you'd have a few happy people, and a legion of angry ones.

[@alpine9996]

Messick Farm Equipment Everyone has an opinion. I love my Kubota. I’ve had a jd and the twin touch is better

[@joesteen9742]

Neil whatget grapple for my lx2610 su what would put on my tractors?

[@timtwing5886]

Nice video but you forgot to mention that on the Deere the drive over mower(which I also HATE) is an auto quick coupler on the deere the Kubota is manual disconnect/reconnect.

[@eightosaurusspelunk1598]

Proprietary anything is the bane of my existence. It makes me want to fabricate my own/buy another brand out of spite

[@willdeburr]

CUT Steel is stronger than casting .... 14th minute , bought a brand new Kubota BX2380 , .... the way the motor is tuned up .... my goodness , just look at the smoke when it turns on .... 40 year old technology ... the bluetech (almost no emission ) is obsolete YET it's not implemented, there is much better ones now , just go to a car-dealer and try to smell the exhaust pipe of a new diesel car .... the Kubota stinks up my warehouse in a couple of minutes .... but Yes , compared to a John Deere .... much better

[@pontiakgaSport]

As a ‘bota owner i watched this hoping it would be kubota biased... it did not disappoint haha.

[@alpine9996]

The only 2 things I would like in my BX is Position Control and a 3 Range Hydro Trans.

[@brandoncrimmins6296]

You know...Just the other day I was having a chat with a good friend of mine about Sub compact and compact tractors. I'm closing on a small hobby farm in about a month and will be buying a new compact Tractor. Sub compact just isn't capable of what I'll need. I have always been extremely patriotic and have always been willing to spend more for a product that is made in America. While all my friends were going to Harbor Freight for tools. I was shopping in a Snap-Om, Mac, or SK tools catalog. However Just because something is built here doesn't mean that we are necessarily benefiting economically from it...If you're going to buy American because you want to support American workers and the American economy...The Business MUST be American owned as well. That said...When the subject came up. My friend, of course, assumed that I would naturally be going straight to the John Deere Dealer near the property I just bought. And much to his surprise...The first thing out of my mouth was. No, I actually like the Kubota stuff for this particular product and it's needs. John Deere was never really even a consideration for me. As stated above...Because of my love for my country most everything I own is in fact American because most of what we make here is better and I feel that it is worth the extra premium. But I think John Deere needs to be a little less "budget friendly" with their compacts and sub compacts and just build a DAMN GOOD product. I own a Caterpillar 257D tracked skid steer and I bought it because of the quality that Cat puts into everything they build. Yes it cost me more than a Terex or a Takeuchi would have. More even than a Bobcat would have been but Bobcat brand machines are such an incredible pain in the ass to service that I wanted NO part of a Bobcat. But it was well worth it because I will never have a problem finding parts in the future. I've been a Diesel mechanic for years and have worked at a few Landscape outfits over the years and I have used John Deere, Mahindra and Kubota compacts and sub compacts. And I have also serviced all of them. While it is true that the extra space on the Deere makes it a little easier to service. NON of these brands really have any serious issues that I've ran into that require major surgery in an engine compartment. Everything displayed in this video is absolutely true. With the exception that John Deere has by far the best drive over deck system that I have seen to date. And I actually love the height control 3 Point for the rear PTO that Deere has...However. I don't think those 2 features alone are worth an extra $5000. Because with today's loan rates...That's an extra 100 bucks a month for something that is just a convenience as opposed to a necessity. And since I'm looking for a Compact and not a sub compact...The skid steer style loader plate is AWESOME! I Already have several attachments I can use on the front of it since I've owned My Cat for a couple years now. And as far as the sub compact having a skid steer style plate. Some say it is pointless. However if you have a welder and a grinder you can build anything on a smaller scale to fit the the load restrictions of a sub compact. Plus, there are several companies that manufacture blank skid steer attachment plates for this very reason. Some are less than 100 bucks and would be perfect for light duty implements and attachments that would work with a sub compact. I do think that for it to be considered a truly "quick" system though that it needs to have a hydraulic or electric actuator to release and attach implements. That would be my only complaint about the Kubota.

[@jackd5089]

God bless your pride in your great country.🇺🇸🇺🇸🇮🇪🇮🇪

[@Lanninglongarmmowing]

Green is the color of money so the Deere will cost you more. Lol. Glad you mentioned price.

[@Lanninglongarmmowing]

bryan campbell It depends what you got with it. Deere is almost always more expensive.

[@FloridaDeere]

did this guy mention he works for Kubota?

[@MessicksEquip]

+don bowman not Kubota. I am a dealer. I think that's pretty obvious.

[@AB2BPA06]

I agree! Clearly doesn't work for Kubota. By the way, I just bought the Kubota BX 23 S, and will be having it delivered to my home on Friday. So excited!!! My dad & I spent hours testing out the Kubota, the Deere 1025 R, and the Mahindra equivalent. We both agreed that the Kubota felt like the better machine for the money.

[@WJCTechyman]

His family dealership also sells Case/New Holland equipment. Mr. Messick, have you ever compared the Boomer series to the BX or B series? There seems to be little information about them and Deere's Canadian site for the 1 series offers very little information and even compares it to the BX25D, leading me to believe that a new model has yet to be released. I think your videos are awesome and incredibly informative. I don't like the amount of plastic on Deere equipment as well, but my Honda with the Nexite (polymer) deck is over 20 years old and seems to be doing well, it's a bit ugly with discolouration and the previous owner left it to the elements. That's probably a good indicator as to what may happen with that Deere.

[@frogman6887]

What do you not like about drive over mower decks?

[@MessicksEquip]

+Jesse Fuller two things. They always require more steps than the vendor let's on, and they only work when adjusted perfectly.

[@sgtcrab1]

I have never had an issue installing or removing. It is a very good system.

[@David-gr6kx]

You mentioned plastic parts, well I have a 2008 2009 BX2350 and its all plastic. My hood is cracked. My back rt corner of is busted off as well as lights. I'm very disappointed. There is no program for help repairing them I went to trade it in and they laughed and said this is really rough. Do they went back to metal not by choice but problems. Don't get me wrong I love my BX but very disappointed in after care.

[@MessicksEquip]

Yea, the plastic was crap. They have support kits to reinforce your tractor, and continue to sell replacement parts at very fair prices.

[@roberttomsiii3728]

7:30 I'm pretty sure one of those of the baker's dozen

[@FireBlade-cj5pv]

Are you going to talk about how hard it is to attach a mowing deck to the Kabota

[@MessicksEquip]

I've done several videos on how easy it is

[@Quik5oh]

How quickly can the Kubota move implements or the tractor itself at idle? When I had the opportunity to test one (a few years ago), I noticed that everything moved at a snails pace until about 2K RPMS or so. Has that improved with the newer model?

[@MessicksEquip]

+Quik5oh the reason for that is because the engine can run at a lower idle than most other Tractors. It's easily resolved by adjusting the idle up. It's 200-300rpm lower than were other machines idle. As far as slowness, you need to be above half to get meaningful flow from the hydraulics.

[@dirtbeard108]

first thing I look for on that size unit is how easy/hard it is to grease the mower deck. If I can't get at all the fittings and have it lubed in 5min I don't want it.

[@michaelcschmitt]

I am lead to believe the skid steer option is quite expensive. If you don't spring for it you will need to purchase proprietary attachments is the true?

[@MessicksEquip]

+Mike Schmitt 300-400.. in the scope of a piece of equipment not that much. Worth every penny.

[@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe6724]

Imagine that, a Kubota saleman finding nothing right with JD. I had several of both over the last 30yrs and they both had their good points and bad points my favorite Kubota 2920 was built like a tank but a little big so now i have a JD2305 and love it.

[@DB.KOOPER]

Kubota all day every day and twice on Sunday.