Are Miracles Possible? | John Lennox's Fantastic Lecture at Harvard

John Lennox (Oxford emeritus) draws from modern debates and classic philosophy of science to examine if science contradicts the idea of miracles. | Harvard University, 2012 | Explore more at www.veritas.org.
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[@fatheremmons85]

Awesome. I could listen to Lennox talk all day.

[@donmac8181]

I am 93, and do!

[@neilfletcher1841]

@@donmac8181 JL is interested in truth. On what truth is the religion being referenced brought into the mix of our existence and applicable to life beyond its 2K timeline and beyond the geographic spread that so "uninfluenced" at the time of its doctrine creation until other human beings began to spread the word of such a flawed philosophy!

[@DrMontague]

The nutty professor!

[@marculatour6229]

@@DrMontague My dad always said: “Let people have weird hobbies as long as they don’t believe that an extraterrestrial conjured up our universe out of nothing from the 5th dimension.” ​ But then I had to tell my dad: “But that’s what they believe and they called this alien GOD.” My dad totally shocked:: "Dealing with religion is dealing with insanity."

[@AtamMardes]

@@DrMontague Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@brianoconnor6326]

This wonderful brother John Lennox has devoted much of his life to persuade unbelievers of the resurrection of Christ and the power of his word. I'm sure many atheists have gotten serious headaches from John's powerful logic and faith. Please pray for him and those that listen to his lectures that God will open the ears of the unbelievers and they would be saved. I think this is God's will that he continue, not many are able to do what he does and are as respected as he is. Thank God for this man and all others who have given their lives in the belief that Christ died to save sinners Show less

[@oscargr_]

LoL, I don't think he has convinced any atheist. His story telling is first class, his apologetics third rank.

[@TheSpacePlaceYT]

@@oscargr_ You don't think he convinced any atheists? Is that because atheists aren't willing to change their minds?

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@brucefetter]

Beast mode for sure! He is great, and also just a super kind man as well.

[@dannymathis7275]

Brilliant as usual! Love listening to Prof. Lennox. Thank you for the upload!

[@kathleenmcneil3032]

Keep talking please John,we SO NEED THIS😢

[@o.mulders2584]

I love Lennox. I always listened to Dawkins in the past but I’ve changed 😉

[@mariahewitt9787]

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth,and the life. Amen. 🙏❤🙏

[@e.n.6079]

wonderful to read ! May God bless you!

[@albertoferreiro4935]

It is a miracle that we can even ask the question, love to hear Lennox

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@mehrio8661]

It is a blessing for the truth to have men like Mr. Lennox among us all.

[@byteme9718]

Lennox only knows lies.

[@kadiprincess9975]

Thank you Sir, I thoroughly enjoyed listening to and appreciate you!! 😁

[@davidnichol6282]

Human biology associated with life is a miracle in itself. Look at the molecular structure of matter also.

[@dennisenkurs2676]

Thank you Veritas for your unapologetic apologetics.

[@Tk1NE]

I feel for the Professor of Good. Arguing with fools must be quite a laborious task. He has the Divine patience to suffer them so well. It’s like arguing if the sun ☀️ is up in the middle of the day. What Godly patience. I’m not blessed with that particular spiritual and faithful talent as he is. May ABBA prosper his Spirit unto eternity. Blessed may Adonai Yehoshua HaMashiach who dwells within him too. (selah)

[@johnewah928]

John Lenox is an inspiration. We must follow the evidence where it leads. Obviously, it leads beyond the naturalistic world view into the supernatural. There is God. And like Robert Jastrow brilliantly puts it, "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries".

[@clarkelaidlaw1678]

there is no evidence whatsoever that any god is real Gods proposed .7,000 gods proven to exist. 0

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@wayneyadams]

I have been watching a series of KZbin videos of lectures by a philosophy professor, who is most likely an atheist, where he is talking about the intangible attribute called consciousness. The longer he talks the more he makes the case for a human soul without even realizing what he is doing. That is not surprising when one realizes that the letters PhD are a sign of educational achievement, not a measure of intelligence, understanding, or true insight, no matter how much elitist professors believe it and want it to be so. My point is that the Philosophers need to be humble and admit that they do not have the answers and in that capacity should not be dictating what their students should believe.

[@dariuslembert8717]

It is a very valuable commentary you have made. Thank you very much. Greetings!!!

[@JNiina]

Who is that philosopher, please, if you can give a name?

[@dariuslembert8717]

@@JNiinaPlease read carefully. He said 'philosophers,' not a philosopher. Greetings.

[@richardlee6886]

I love that, science strengthens faith. Exactly the way I feel.

[@clarkelaidlaw1678]

faith means believing something without the slightest reason to believe that it is true..the complete opposite of science

[@byteme9718]

But Lennox is scientifically illiterate, that's why he believes in a sky fairy.

[@brianbisnath2254]

Lennox is brilliant as ever

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@poseidondz30]

Miracles can only be attributed to God. Therefore if miracles exist then God exists as well.

[@vc20029]

Psalms:53:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

[@noneofyourbusinessna740]

Well said

[@dodo1opps]

What the fool says in his heart, the wise man says out loud...

[@DLF218]

If is clever, when you claim to tell the truth, that if you don’t believe them, some higher power will punish you eternally. I can see how that works 2000 years ago. It is beyond me that it stil works in this century.

[@SazachaNancySktghaxeeahw-rp5gd]

Are you saying the genius rhetoric of George Carlin was foolish?? Just remember your not in THE Club only the Harvard contract operators… and whoever God is doesn’t require our homage- she/ he already KNOWS who what where and when we are ALWAYS-

[@seniorbob2180]

"Had I not come and done the works that no one else did, you would not be guilty of sin" -Christ "And even greater works than these you will do, because I am returning to the Father and I will do anything that you ask in my name so that the Father will be glorified in the son" -Christ

[@P.H.888]

Yes JESUS did signs and wonders that Only The Messiah could and would do. Opening the eyes of someone born blind, cleansing lepers, casting out a deaf and dumb evil spirit and raising someone dead more than 3 days! Jesus is Lord

[@douglaidlaw740]

The definition of a miracle is that in ordinary life, the event is not possible.

[@陈用大]

Nope... The definition of a miracle is an event that transcends natural laws... Both of our definitions are similar, but yours paints the picture as though they never happen at all...

[@BrightMorningStar]

Excellent. Crystal clear.

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@dennisgalvin2521]

Miracle is defined as " An event that cannot be explained by scientific or natural laws" Therefore the birth of our universe was a miracle.

[@byteme9718]

No, just physics.

[@Say_When]

... Oh I just love this video.... I tear up and just get so much gratitude... For John for you two... It's a privilege to be able to push back against The psychotic... Bring back into some realm of some kind of sanity... Or at least honest Insanity

[@ericparris3649]

Love this guy!

[@JoshuaHults]

outstanding ! The truth is beautiful, and only hurts if your on the other side of truth hehehe

[@samost7352]

Joshua Hults AMEN

[@AtamMardes]

If religious fairy tales can fool an educated Prof Lennox, imagine what it could do to ordinary folks.

[@noneofyourbusinessna740]

The evidence points to that Jesus Christ walked the earth

[@IAm1InTheIAm]

As a scientist and a deeply Christ-centered person, I find that the two have never been mutually exclusive; rather, they show themselves to be wonderfully complementary. I have not compromised either paradigm throughout my life- indeed, the two have enriched my existence immensely. I can see, however, how the narrow-minded zealot could see the two as intolerant of the other, and that is truly tragic.

[@oscargr_]

Wow, you actually say nothing. Christ-centered? You are not religious? You believe in the existence of a historical figure only, or you accept him as god incarnate? What is complimentary between Christ and science? It's entirely possible you haven't "compromised" any "Paradigm" because you have always considered them to be (separate) paradigms. That is.. you may have never considered using the same logic you used for science, for (whatever you accept about) Jesus. But sure.. good start to call people who don't share your views "zealots" and "intolerant"

[@no15minutecities]

Are you REALLY a Christ centred person?? Ultra rare to find....LOL A real Christ-centred person would not even need to tell the world that he is, people will see you are if you are.......

[@lardyify]

In the quantum world, miracles take place all the time: particles pop in and out of existence, individual atoms might fall up instead of down and anything might occur as long as the first law of thermodynamics remains inviolate. Such events are explained by quantum mechanics. However, while QM might explain things mathematically, the actual mechanism by which such events take place lies forever unexplained so the heart of physics, and the heart of the physical world, appears to be based on the everyday miracle of quantum physics.

[@andrewfahey8301]

Science helps us understand God.. amen 🙏💚

[@陈用大]

Dr. Lennox is truly a brilliant mind of our time! He may not be perfect, as none of us are, but he sure is a great defender of our faith! I'm an extreme sceptic that was an atheist for a long time(not that long, only a few years😅), but have recently been brought to the truth! Thank God that the new atheism movement is finally dying! It has mislead too many gullible souls.

[@zulfikarkhorakiwala1249]

I am a thinker, philosopher and a man ahead of time. I believe in the Almighty God which is for all.!

[@caminandoensuverdad]

“And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”” (Mark‬ ‭16‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NIV‬‬)

[@goodmorning6827]

No, miracles are not possible; and thinking they are is a sign of mental weakness. Lennox generates mountains of word salad that mean absolutely nothing.

[@陈用大]

Why? You've also just given us a claim and a side of word salad...

[@frozy5637]

This wasn't a discussion about the possibility of miracles, but about the existence of God.

[@PrinceArran]

God has already performed many miracles in my life. One of the greatest miracles is recognizing the deception of Lucifer and his fallen angels.

[@perserverance333]

Tilma of Guadalupe Rock at Las Lajas

[@dennisokada9287]

Unbelievers are incapable of seeing Him who is invisible. But when the eyes of their hearts are opened, they can receive Him. We need more like Lennox to speak the Truth.

[@jameshale6401]

Everything is a miracle If not create whatever you say aint one But first you must make yourself because you didnt do that either

[@DrayDray78]

Amen 🙏 brother 17:46

[@smm275]

I don’t agree with you on some of your posts, but by god I’ll defend your right to do so. God speed to you and your future posts.

[@FullDottle]

I thoroughly enjoyed the interview between Lennox and Dawkins; the interview in which Lennox got Dawkins to admit he (Dawkins) lied in his book "The God Delusion". Dawkins finally admitted that he was incorrect and willfully published a false claim when he stated, "the vast majority of Scholars deny Jesus ever existed". Actually, the vast majority of Scholars admit Jesus was a real person that lived and died around 33ad. Thanks be to God!

[@ericparris3649]

What an amazing philosopher

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately, Professor Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@shanewachireth7839]

Miracle is really possible because there is a doing of someone, maybe human or non human.

[@donmac8181]

I have an "atheist" friend, I hope, who can name all the Professors on atheism, but will actively refuse to listen or talk about anything religious. I will attempt again to seek to introduce Prof. John Lennox. Difficult indeed!

[@PMA65537]

18:00 Newton wrote Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica. Do not confuse the book title with Whitehead & Russell.

[@razzledazzle8948]

Fantastic

[@razzledazzle8948]

And ravi zakoria ❤

[@icon323232]

Rip it up John that's man!!!!

[@frankandhistank9164]

No miracles are impossible….which is why they are miracles!

[@smilernok]

this is nice ,, no religious stuff , no bible stuff , just GOD

[@no15minutecities]

YES BUT THEY RARELY HAPPEN!!! WHY???? GOD ISN'T HANDING THEM OUT ANYMORE???

[@wayneyadams]

That was lousy, cutting us off in mid-sentence. So much for my subscribing to this channel!

[@livondiramerian6999]

Everyone needs a believe system.

[@markb3786]

or even a vocabulary

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The images of a corpse found on the Shroud shouldn't be there. Corpses are not able to imprint their pictures on the cloth that covers them, but this one did, and those images should not be there. .. . . . . .

[@robertdouglas8895]

Miracles are the result of changing your mind, metanoia.

[@everlastingdragon4520]

My opinion, in short: Yes, miracles are real. We're just looking in all the wrong places for them.

[@vladtheemailer3223]

I found my car keys.

[@陈用大]

Good job!😂

[@johannabezuidenhout4252]

Pity we couldn't follow the whole clip!

[@richardkidwell4134]

No. Only rare happenings that some like to call miracles.

[@scottraftery3336]

Could he be the modern day Pall

[@oscargr_]

Jumping to conclusions whenever something happens that has a low apriori likelihood of happening. My dog survived a fall from the 7th floor... Jesus is back on earth.

[@陈用大]

No... That just means that your dog survived... But a 7-story drop? Seems like a miracle to me😅 btw this is only a single, tiny aspect of theism or, in Dr. Lenox's case, Christianity, to prove whether or not miracles are true, by definition meaning something that transcends natural law. Also, by an atheist's naturalistic worldview, there has already been a miracle! The creation of the universe 13.8 billion years ago from nothing by nothing for nothing through nothing!

[@oscargr_]

@@陈用大 The problem is not whether "miracles" (things that seem to escape natural law) occur, but what you claim caused it Even saying it must be supernatural or transcendental is an assumption. No atheïst believes as doctrine of being atheist that the universe was created 13.8 billion years ago. Not from nothing not by nothing not for nothing.. And you don't seem to notice that your definition of miracle has changed between your two statements. It's theist projection.

[@williamrodgers4548]

If miracles RE not possible or no longer possible why do we pray the kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven

[@markb3786]

Why do you pray? If God knows everything then he knows every single future outcome. Prayer will not affect that outcome. Only an imperfect being would change his mind so meaningful prayer and an all powerful God are illogical.

[@hansgjerstad8895]

No, but they occur anyway.

[@t-bonewtf]

A religious miracle is absolutely not possible. If by a miracle you mean the probability of an outcome that is not likely to happen than yes miracles can happen. Though the chances of them occurring are not likely just highly improbable.

[@陈用大]

Why are religious miracles absolutely not possible? Isn't that just an assumption that proves your assumption?

[@t-bonewtf]

@@陈用大 I'm sorry, but I guess if you believe in magic than miracles are possible. LOL. Good luck my friend.

[@陈用大]

@@t-bonewtf you're still not answering my question. I said how do you know that miracles are not possible? All you said was that since you don't believe that miracles are possible, they aren't possible... Besides, how do you think that the universe came into existence? Through nothing? Sounds like a miracle to me. As something else that I may want to add, magic and miracles are distinct, we all believe in magic. We've all been to magic shows. Magic is more of a sleight of hand thing rather than truly something that breaks the laws of nature. Besides, even if a miracle were to happen in front of your eyes, would you really believe it? You may just assume it to be a hallucination, a prank, or something else naturalistic. Once you already have a philosophical presupposition that miracles cannot occur, then they will never occur... There are also miracles being reported in the present day, but you just dismiss them as lies and self deception, which could be true for some...

[@t-bonewtf]

@@陈用大 LOL. Alright....How about I have personally have never witnessed any type of miraculous event and have never ever heard of any one else having witnessed one either. LOL. Hows that? Happy now?

[@t-bonewtf]

@@陈用大 LOL. Alright my friend calm down. I'm curious as to whether YOU have ever experienced a "miracle" before? Any comments? You seem to be very biased towards the "possibility" of miracles occurring, but have you personally ever witnessed one?

[@vhawk1951kl]

Does that not depend on what you are calling a miracle? If anything-you-like is a miracle then nothing is a miracle and there are no miracles.

[@dodo1opps]

Opinion...opinion...opinion....

[@Itwillbeoversoon]

Are miracles possible? You exist in the world in the universe that God created for your benefit before he sends you to his judgment day on sin. That's a great miracle, but only has value when you obey God and give your life to Jesus Christ and ask him to forgive your sins and obey God.

[@devoradamaris]

🕊🌎🕊🕊sharing🫂thankYOU

[@sonu8034]

Y dnt lennox say anything about the miracles in our own time like the fatima incident nd the body of st bernadette

[@vhawk1951kl]

Someone who does not know that "fantastic" means the stuff of *fantasy* came up with the title"John Lennox's *Fantastic* Lecture" . Fair enough, the god fantasy is indeed a fantasy; *what_Else*could it be?

[@PInk77W1]

University means • one Truth

[@tonygarrett7214]

A fine example of the art of casuistry.

[@baraskparas9559]

If Kendall Jenner fell in love with me and thought I was a great catch I would get on my knees and pray to God that miracles are truly possible.

[@P.H.888]

That’s your problem you are your own god.

[@baraskparas9559]

@@P.H.888 Profound nonsense. Thanks a lot.

[@junevandermark952]

How obnoxious it is to believe that a god exists that plays favorites.

[@AtamMardes]

If religious fairy tales can fool an emotional Prof Lennox, imagine what it could do to ordinary folks.

[@kakhaval]

Do not confuse religion with God. Religion with its package of myths has messed it up.

[@alberg6290]

interesting talk but not about miracles

[@SuperSlik50]

Only god can make a tree. Probably because it’s so hard to get the bark to stay on the sides

[@Fluffysweep]

To save everyone 14mins , John says that Miracles are possible, if you are willing to believe they are... In other words, it takes a leap of faith and then you're good to go , no evidence needed.

[@davesny302]

and which PHD's do you hold?

[@陈用大]

Dr. Lenox has a PhD in mathematics or smth

[@jamesfitton140]

Lennox is kindly and articulate but also spends too much time on theory. He can believe in any gods he wishes but he cannot explain why his god only performed miracles for the benefit of people living thousands of years ago in pre-scientific days.

[@jasonh.8754]

I believe in Science. I believe in the God of the Universe. I don't believe in miracles. I believe everything that happens in the physical Universe has an explanation. I believe the God of the Universe encourages us to seek the truth and wants us to understand His Creation. He would not make us to be ignorant fools.

[@rudysimoens570]

In fiction everything is possible!

[@perserverance333]

Tilma of Guadalupe Rock at Las Lajas

[@P.H.888]

pseudo science and vain imaginations as opposed to The Truth which is obviously non fiction.

[@rizdekd3912]

Of course miracles are possible...humans can apparently subconsciously perform miracles by tapping into unknown mysterious aspect of reality that gives them special powers. That's why miracles are so intermittent and so...well...inconsistent and sometimes downright trivial. I hear tell of some friar who was able 'miraculously' to fly about...FLY ABOUT? Why? Just for show...God helped him fly about for entertainment. We see someone claiming they woke up with a head ache. They prayed and by the time of their 10 am brunch, it was gone. Praise God. Meanwhile someone else lives with decades of severe chronic pain all the while continually praying...whole churches continuously praying and...nada. The person with the headache just subconsciously knew how to tap into the mysterious miraculous forces that guard the world. The other...just didn't 'have the power.'

[@billdavis2418]

As much as I admire and respect Professor Lennox, it drives me crazy that he avoids the main question regarding miracles: If they are real, then how come nobody can actually perform them? Jesus is very clear on the matter. If ye have the faith "like a grain of mustard seed", then you can perform miracles. The resurection was a singularity perhaps, but advocates of God performed miracles quite frequently in the Bible. Peter walked on water. But nobody can today. Why not?

[@samost7352]

Bill Davis Where's the proof that God won't answer your prayer? He also said to cut off your hand if it causes you to sin. Not to be taken literally. Quit kidding yourself. It's very simple. Because we're not God. Jesus was God in flesh, come to die for your sins, so u can have peace with God. Beleive and be saved. He also saves your corrupt mind as well. Leave that garbage behind, he offers abundant life.

[@jjcm3135]

Good question. History has many examples though of miracles. The answer to your question is very simple. Every saint stressed it ad nauseum. No saint ever performs a miracle. The miracle (ie the power) comes from God. Study the wonder worker St. John Bosco. Very well documented life. A major figure in the Catholic Church’s eduction of the poor.

[@johnkaz1476]

A miracle is a salamander growing a lost limb. Why can,t a human do that.God obviously didn't get his priorities right.You have to feel sorry for all believers.

[@jjcm3135]

@@johnkaz1476 that kind of a miracle would make God look as trite as you John.

[@johnkaz1476]

A miracle of nature, which by the looks you dont believe in.You have to read between the lines and dont rely on wishfull thinking.

[@LeonSemiPro]

Newton believed in God but not Jesus. Eventually fewer and fewer scientists believed in God or felt safe to declare it. Was that beause of anti Christian propaganda or political and social freedoms from the enlightenment?

[@AtamMardes]

Unfortunately Dr. Lennox can't discern fairy tales, fictions, myths, and bs from facts.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Miracles are exaggerated interpretations of natural events commonly based on religious indoctrination.

[@mariusfilip1847]

Yes, raising a stinking corpse back to life is an exagerration because people habitually raise from the dead naturally. Same with producing matter out of nothing, enough to feed 5000 people - it's just a slight exaggeration of what physicists do in the hadron collider.

[@tyjonas7417]

John Lennox (across a number of videos) seems to lean on the gospel of John for "evidence". He must know that the gospel author is unknown, was likely written 70 years after Jesus died and specifically designed to convince superstitious and god-fearing audiences of Jesus's divinity.

[@michelangelope830]

The question atheists don't answer is "is atheism a logical fallacy?". Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. Future generations would understand the atheist logical fallacy because the truth is easy to understand being honest and impossible lying to oneself. To understand atheism is a logical fallacy you have to understand why the most emblematic remark of atheism is "who created god?", with the intelligent creator of the universe written in lower case and why the debate "evolution or creation" is fallacious. It is important that you understand I am not asking you to agree with me and i am censored. To end the war in Ukraine the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. I want to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

[@MichaelTheophilus906]

If miracles are not possible, then God is a failure.

[@ababich1]

Science is God. He operates within the natural laws he created. We call events a miracle because we have not sufficient knowledge of all science. If we knew all science we would see God. We do not and will never know all.

[@marculatour6229]

My dad always said: “Let people have weird hobbies as long as they don’t believe that an extraterrestrial conjured up our universe out of nothing from the 5th dimension.” ​ But then I had to tell my dad: “But that’s what they believe and they called this alien GOD.” My dad totally shocked:: "Dealing with religion is dealing with insanity."

[@yahudahyisrael8197]

lol really stupid question he just said miracle were OUTSIDE OF HUMAN INTERFERENCE

[@kyawmoewin1647]

You are more stupid than he.😡😡

[@anslemslove5215]

Nope.

[@francisnmarak224]

,,,NO..☝😠😕😆☝,,,

[@clarkelaidlaw1678]

poor old Mr Lennox.He still talks about his imaginary friend that he nor anyone else has ever demonstrated it tie be real

[@gknight4719]

Sure are, getting billions of humans to believe in fairies/ gods/ ghosts??🤣

[@phillipnicewaner4480]

@atam mardes: "No evidence for god beside superstitions and fairy tales primitive man has made up." This is the problem of the human mind. You cannot know that all tales are made up and, yet, you present something that should be held as conclusive. This is hardly a reasonable statement.

[@noneofyourbusinessna740]

I respect your view but how can the universe create itself out of nothing hoof it all just magically created itself ?

[@mariusfilip1847]

The fallacy stays right under your eyes: "no evidence for god"

[@mariusfilip1847]

@jrgenstorm6536 you repeat yourself.

[@mariusfilip1847]

@jrgenstorm6536repetition is also a measure of paucity of ideas hiding behind a fake sense of superiority and pseudo-confidence that is backed by nothing except spitting out platitudes in bad taste about things that one is clueless about

[@johnkaz1476]

If you got a serious health problem you dont go to church a pray for a miracle.You go to a hospital to find a cure.What does john lennox do?

[@mariusfilip1847]

He goes to the hospital because the laws of Nature are a manifestation of God, too. As professor Lennox explains, there is absolutely no contradiction between Science and belief in God. The false 'contradictions' comes from mis-intepreting Faith or Science or both.

[@johnkaz1476]

@@mariusfilip1847 Faith my friend is just a made up word. It should actually be belief. And belief without evidence is useless.Science takes us foward. Not faith.You can put faith to anything but its not going to get you anywhere.

[@mariusfilip1847]

@@johnkaz1476 All the words invented by humans are made up. My answer was about replacing doctors with miracles, not about general considerations about science versus evidence. Regarding belief without evidence, I guess you haven't watched what Prof. Lennox said. He opposed belief without evidence. But one thing for you: the assertion that all there is out there is exclusively material is BELIEF WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever, and yet you uphold it as a basis of your BELIEF.

[@johnkaz1476]

@@mariusfilip1847Seeing and actually doing is belief. A word salad that sounds sophisticated from lennox doesnt cut it. If he's opposed to belief without evidence than he must have met god. Unfortunately these days most people are naive and believe what sounds and makes them feel good which is fine. But not very intellectual.

[@陈用大]

Did you see the universe come from nothing 13.8 billion years ago? Have you seen your brain? Have you seen logic, ethics and morality? Have you seen Julius Caesar? You believe in a lot of things you don't see. You want to think that you're smart and that your worldview and position is the only correct one... If you considered the other side a bit you would see that to be untrue... You also make claims without evidence based on philosophical presuppositions that you assume are fact... And then throw a bunch of word salad to make yourself sound smart. Also, Ive always wondered, if you do believe that we are just animals(that are the only ones capable of complex reason, art, philosophy, list goes on) that evolved randomly by chance, in a universe that randomly came about via nothing(like nothing, no space time matter quantum fluctuations or ANYTHING, what rocks think about, as Aristotle said) that will end one day, so nothing really matters... One day you'll end no one will be around to even remember humanity or any of the scientific discoveries that we've made, in an indifferent universe... Then why not let a bunch of "fools" believe in a God? Even if it was a "flying spaghetti monster", why not? Not like we're doing anything all that bad(in the 21st century at least😅), not like we're asking for philosophical, scientific, mathematic discoveries and endeavours to cease... Just let us be... It doesn't matter to you anyway... Science will still go on as you like ... But it never and never will matter, according to you at least.

[@msmd3295]

Not Irish “genetics” but rather Irish socialization. The notion that western law is a direct derivative of Judie-Christian belief is somewhat correct. That of course is by coincidence because Christians were the first to populate the land. Actually there is evidence that pagan Vikings found N America 100 years before the Spanish or British except the Vikings didn’t realize it was an entirely new continent. Nevertheless, that does not mean Christians “intended” to make N. America a Christian nation. In fact at the formation of the Constitution after the 2nd constitutional convention, the decision was specifically made to Not make the United States a Christian nation. All one needs do is read the transcripts of the debate at that convention and the Federalist Papers. There’s a difference between a private institution’s founding premises and the rule of law. So whether a christianization of an institution occurred or not, christianization is Not the function of government, a government of immigrants. Let’s mention “simplistic”… it is very simplistic to conclude that god created everything as opposed to discover the causal relationships in the material universe. So in that sense religion is far more simplistic than science. Educated people believe in god for many reasons but they all boil down to a childish notion of there being some ultimate law giver and a grantor of immortality. That’s pure emotion not intellect. The intellect requires more discipline than emotion. Scientists that believe in god are those who have at that point abandoned the scientific method, the very foundation of science. So their title is largely meaningless because they’ve drawn conclusions that reside outside the reign of natural law. Aristotle et. al. If he believed in some form of transcendence he did so out of ignorance. A person can be a great thinker and Still come to false conclusions. During Aristotle’s era there was only the “philosophy of science”, the scientific method had not yet been formulated. Is Lennox splitting hairs here? He is. He’s attempting to equate belief as any legitimate belief. But people can believe all kinds of ideas but only the beliefs that can be supported with evidence are “righteous” beliefs. No one can do that with a belief in god. But one can make direct causal relationships between material things. I could go on disputing Lennox’s comments but it would take too much time.

[@yacovsimons393]

While this all seems mostly right, I think the whole debate is missing a central point: by nature, the debate is limited by keeping it within pure intellectual logical philosophical mental abstract scientific analysis - i.e. left brain - rather than methods for studying these events and experiences A lot of this is just semantics, we could all be experiencing a similar world, but arguing about definitions of words But we are also talking about vast numbers of ancient and current scientists and lay(wo)men claiming firsthand otherworldly or miraculous/prophetic/psychic/psychadelic experiences that seem to deserve scientific research, but are often unrepeatable events, sometimes uncannily long strings of psychic and external synchronicities or life changing downloads of powerful direct experiences and lessons, etc. The obvious first way to test these kinds of claims is in inner space, prayer, each within their own deep meditative direct experi-mental experiences, soul inquiries Which sometimes requires listening to the whole body, quieting the lower emotions, listening for any senses above intelect, 'getting out of the head' i.e. left brain, and relaxing while shifting the sense of identity from body/point to universal, transcending space/time/mind experientialy with a mind like a puppy rather than just talking about the concept from afar. I'm sure you could've said all that in a sentence, but (hopefully) you get my point

[@truthgiver8286]

You have to say no they are not because Lennox still does not understand evolution. Though I tend to think he does not want to understand because it allows him to continue to criticize it. Though it does make him look an idiot claiming to be an educated man and getting so much wrong.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Lennox is a word spinner. He says he's talking about science vs religion, but goes off and starts talking about philosophy and religion. Now, I'll grant that philosophy can be scientific, but it also can be quite unscientific. As far as the early scientists believing in a god, that's true, but not necessarily a Christian god. Much of science predates the birth of Christ (if one accepts the date given by Christians). Many of those early scientists believed in Zeus, or Isis. Isis preceded Christ by near two thousand years, Zeus by about 700 years. In any case, whether a scientists believes in a god or not is immaterial in terms of their science. All science proceeds on the assumption that miracles don't happen. After all, what's the point of a scientific theory if it could be overthrown tomorrow by a miracle? I'll also point out that it would be a very simple thing for an omnipotent god to make all humans believers. Just implant that belief into their minds.