John Lovell Tells Rip A Story About Jiu Jitsu - Starting Strength Radio Clips

John Lovell, The Warrior Poet, tells Rip a story about jiu-jitsu and Mr. Lopez.
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[@FraldinhoBJJ]

I’ve been doing Jiu jitsu for ten to twelve years. Lifting weights and getting strong helped my Jiu jitsu better than any other single adaptation

[@ronbonick4265]

I owned a school for 10 yrs ( martial arts school) and I pushed strength and endurance, and technique all of equal value - when in the right need( position)

[@biglsworth567]

Amazing...ly fast, slippery smooth, very strong My ideal lover

[@obliviox]

John Lovell is the man! Warrior Poet for life!

[@Whosyourdaddy21]

I think that when you brand new it’s hard to add a strength program in because of how much time and energy your spending learning but as you get more competent technique wise strength becomes increasingly more important.

[@dakotagower86]

In any other format, Rip would say a pudgy 170lber can’t possibly be strong. But in this case that guy is “real strong”...with no evidence from the story to suggest that’s the case.

[@OscarSchneegans]

You mean, like popping a soccer ball with his bare hands?

[@JS-dq3rb]

he said he could pop a soccer ball with his hands

[@TorAndreKongelf]

Only been doing Jiu Jitsu for 12 months, but I do understand that techinique is based on movement which requires force behind it.

[@teamgitusome]

improve strength always.

[@carloskee444]

I think being strong makes it hard to learn to rely on technique over strength, in the beginning of your BJJ career. Once you develop the technique then focusing on strength can only help. However I do think there is a requisite strength level needed to be good, everything after that ( plus solid technique) is just gravy.

[@ronbonick4265]

I also learned 1 thing more important - That is healing ...

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

The thing is this rip: as someone who’s trained mma Jiu jitsu since around age 18-19, who wrestled In high school , and who has fought mma and been around pros in all combat sports here’s where the reservations come from, and I’ll break them down by sport: Brazilian Jiu jitsu is an adaptation of kodokan judo . Helio Gracie is primarily credited with taking the judo he knew and adapting many of the ground techniques to his small to average frame and size . He learned to emphasize timing , leverage , skill , and technique over size and strength that judo took, and further , he focused more on the ground techniques of judo , me waza, as it applies to self defense grappling. Helio taught his ways and the Jiu jitsu community developed a culture of appreciating techniques over size and strength and thus comes a snooty and better than you attitude of building strength and muscle . The attitude is that the best way to get better at Jiu jitsu is to do Jiu jitsu. Many prominent figures including helios sons and grandsons continue to maintain that strength does not matter, though when cornered they will admit that when skill is equal the stronger guy wins . Despite this they did not consider this a compelling reason to train to lift heavy weights. This is counterintuitive and there is even a saying In Jiu jitsu that it is all “hips and grips “, and I’m not sure there is a better way to build hip and grip strength than deadlifting heavy sumo pulls. As for mma , people have figured out , especially with the advent and subsequent popularity of 5 round fights with long 5 minute rounds that cardiovascular conditioning plays a strong factor in winning fights . The Belief is that “big muscled up” guys will tire easily and be overwhelmed , with the conventional thinking being that being big and strong MUST mean you get tired fast. This is despite the fact that many of the athletes with the greatest endurance were and are overly muscled(think Yoel Romero, Georges st pierre,) the issue is also that mma fighters cut a lot of weight for fights , and have day before weigh ins . Dehydration takes a pretty big toll on muscle mass and when you walk around at 205 and cut to 170 then fight 24 hours later , the glycogen and other energy systems in muscles will be depleted still. It’s my belief that if people would fight at their true weight class , this would not happen or if there were same day weigh ins (big point of contention in mma world).. the unhealthy weight cutting practices of many athletes physically is exaggerated and accompanied by a lack of physiological understanding of concepts like muscle fiber recruitment and endurance as it applies to fighting . Many mma fighters and their coaches understand you can raise your VO2 max and make better use of oxygen or increase the effective amount of oxygen their bodies can use when producing force and physically exert themselves . The shortcoming however from these fighters and coaches is a a fundamental misgiving about the body and how it works. They think that certainly being stronger means being bigger and you get tired more easily . This is in stark contrast to the reality that a punch for example is a submaximal press. The more you can bench press , the more submaximal if a press a jab or cross becomes , meaning you can throw the punch more often , and with more power to produce more force , and generating less fatigue , meaning you can do it more .. the fundamental lack of understanding of this concept keeps mma coaches and fighters in the dark about the results of the adaptation of building a base. Hope this helps for anyone who reads it

[@rmt1]

Chandiwira Beza Hey homie check out joel jamieson ultimate mma conditioning book if your into that Also Phil Daru he is one of the best out there

[@BigUriel]

Interesting story that a lot of people who drink the BJJ kool aid don't like to have brought up: Helio Gracie challenged Masahiko Kimura (one of the best judokas of all time, and physically considerably stronger than Helio) to a fight thinking he'd prove once and for all that size doesn't matter. He lost, badly, and it was because of the technique Masahiko used on Helio that to this day people still call armlocks a "Kimura". Strength matters, and facts don't care about weak people's feelings.

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

Bozz Dog Yoel Romero is like 43 years old . And he’s muscled up like crazy . He can also run a sub 6 minute mile . You’re probably a skinny fat kid who couldn’t do ten pushups and has never ran a mike in his life . Go troll somewhere else

[@nickcorona3966]

Jesus, man. Can you learn to write?

[@FraldinhoBJJ]

Nick Corona yeah sorry I wasn’t going to make a graded college dissertation in the comments sections leaving works cited and using APA FORMAT. Expecting it to be graded. I’m glad I owe you that . Thanks

[@waltermora8520]

I came here just to hear John *almost* drop an F-Bomb at 3:45 ha ha ha

[@fabian13333]

Firas Zahabi recommends strength thats why I am here watching this

[@bigbenpbr]

Yeah man. Get strong and never look back

[@hfix307]

Been grappling for 20 years. I’ve rolled with many body and strength types. The notion that the best lifters are the people that feel strongest can be quite wrong. There are guys who lift crazy weights but are actually pushovers. Meanwhile sometimes the country strong fat kid feels like the hulk and is hard even for a black belt to deal with. Lifting is part of a good program for combat sports, but it’s not a linear map and can even be problematic when u need to optimize your body weight for a comp and where too much hypertrophy in the wrong places is an actual negative. Amusingly and anecdotally I’ve found that strength training alla staring strength helps my muscular endurance more than it does raw power.

[@LTPottenger]

Bodybuilding lifting won't help much, no.

[@kw12784]

Raw power can't really be trained, hence "raw". Whereas being stronger means you can exert less force in comparison to your maximum capabilities, which means you won't tire as quickly

[@dard4642]

The original allure of BJJ was that a smaller, weaker opponent could defeat a bigger, stronger opponent using leverage. Somehow, they never put together that you weren't required to be weak and do jiu-jitsu. I have never gotten beyond the dabbling phase in grappling but people have always commented on how strong I was and how difficult I was to tap even though my offense was horrible. I could tuck my chin and grab my gi with my hands and brace my elbows against me and last 5 minutes with a lot of advanced guys. Even if you only squat and deadlift your jiu-jitsu is not going to suffer for it.

[@joshuamichael4312]

Ok, try doing that in the streets against a bluebelt or higher. . Tuck your chin and grab your collar, see if that works out for you. You seem to forget that the system was designed by a small and weak family who actually tested it against other martial artists who had significant weight advantages. It was a PROVEN fighting system. You're talking about training. Big difference....

[@dard4642]

@@joshuamichael4312 Don't put words in my mouth. I wouldn't use jujitsu in a street fight, outside of some defense. Ask Renzo how well it works on the street against someone who can fight.

[@joshuamichael4312]

@@dard4642 ok well you're completely ignoring decades of proof that jiu jitsu is an effective martial art and probably the most proven martial, aside from wrestling in the world.

[@dard4642]

@@joshuamichael4312 I really appreciate you sharing your masterful skills of deciphering subtext. I had no idea that's what I was saying!

[@Mrgiveupufail]

@@joshuamichael4312 triggered. BBJ in street fights is a meme. Do you duel people and have 1v1 honor fights were you live lol? Fact is if you get jumped by a few people your fucked.

[@johnknestis3851]

The ad after the video was for Red Lobster. Are you kidding me? LOL.

[@brandonderks6466]

Where is there Jiu-jitsu in Wichita falls?

[@Noeton]

Well, that's not what they told me before I first tried BJJ. I believed that technique beats strength crap and learnt the hard way that I might been a good boxer but physically not so much.

[@biknjak]

Any sport I can think of utilizes weight/strength training as PART of their overall conditioning. Yes, weight training does help to make you stronger and faster. But if that's all it took, then all the world champion powerlifters, strongmen, Olympic lifters, Mr. Olympia, etc. would be the best athletes in EVERY sport. MY personal experience has been that weight/strength training is essential, but only one part of total fitness, and particularly if you're talking about any one sport. For example, boxers/ fighters do some weight training, but generally excessive bulking up usually starts interfering with movement and agility, and relying heavily on muscles and weight training makes one instinctively want to "muscle" everything rather than rely on technique. Also, it seems excess cardio and weight training usually are at odds with each other. There must be the right balance between the two (depending on which sport) combined with specific skills training. It's not just one thing. My opinion.

[@neerajkorde]

Rip, what about strongman exercises where you can move heavier weights ? like yoke walk? or prowler push. Would those constitute a better program than the squat, bench dead, press routine ?

[@teamgitusome]

Neeraj feeder exercises

[@dannyboi472]

These cannot be incrementally loaded in the same way a barbell can.

[@mrdune5479]

Technique can make someone feel twice as strong. That's why wrestlers feel harder to move.

[@algierssolja]

White belt smesh new rassler!

[@diegocastillo5400]

STRENGTH + BJJ = OHHH BABY!!!!

[@riling]

There is weight classes on BJJ tournaments. Mic drop.

[@BigUriel]

Even when comparing people of similar weight the ones that do strength training are still stronger.

[@fabioq6916]

I can't thing of any modern MMA coaches I know that say strength is not useful. The question is what type of strength and what methods are best for MMA. It is not obvious to me that 5x5 deadlifts are optimal but hey, it may be for some people others may require another type of strength training.

[@riling]

There is just one type of strength. Then there is skill.

[@machinegunpreacher2469]

I've been a brown belt for four years, 12 years of jiu jitsu and one of the biggest lies I hear (it's a misapplied statement really, more than a lie) is "technique beats strength." Technique only beats strength when the opponent has no technique. A blue belt who is twice as strong as me can put me in a world of crap because he knows enough technique to combine with his strength. Don't use "technique beats strength" as an excuse to not work on getting stronger. And don't tell me about Marcello. Marcello is a unicorn. YOU are NOT him and will NEVER BE him, he's the exception, YOU are the rule; so, train for strength along with your jiu jitsu!

[@juvinious]

Judo is still great! It's just in a sad state here in the US.

[@Majin_Doh]

juvinious No the sport / IJF rule set killed judo in the US

[@calebstevenson1467]

When strong guys get 6+ months of BJJ they're unstoppable.

[@Heffy653]

No ones safe from Rip in 2020

[@Mrgiveupufail]

Literally every promble in existence: Riptoe "Get stronger" Promble Solved

[@blinskylmft]

IMO getting stronger will give you a small improvement in your bjj performance, but not nearly as much improvement as just training more bjj. I like feeling strong and I like to train bjj, so I’m willing to sacrifice some time towards strength, knowing that my bjj game will suffer some from time lost on the mat.

[@v3n481]

Benny B if strength difference between two rivals is too great, your techniques wont work and you will be ragdolled. If its minor difference, spending more time on bjj is better. But in general, strength training does not take alot of time.

[@BigUriel]

@@v3n481 Most people who train combat sports already spend time doing some form of "strength training" anyway, they just do things that are innefective based on old exercise myths. IE they probably take some time every class to do push ups and sit ups but those aren't actually making them any stronger, it's just a waste of time and energy that would be better spent lifting some real weights and applying progressive overload.

[@teamgitusome]

lol

[@yew2oob954]

In the video it was stated: "He felt strong" It didn't EVER say he did ANY lifting. Mark has said in other videos that specific grip training takes too long to recover from. This whole video is fallacy upon fallacy and highlights Rippetoe's general clouded lens through which he misinterprets the reality of general strength and it's application to and cross-over with sport-specific skills.

[@ballzdeep6938]

Because bodyweight exercises work. And don't require equipment or spotter . And give you endurance. Ask Steve Maxwell

[@ntskl]

That may be true, but nothing beats barbells in *efficiency* when it comes to getting stronger. I do agree that calisthenics training is great though and that it does carry over to martial arts in a fantastic way.

[@fabioq6916]

@@ntskl ah, so you allow for other systems than SS? What are you doing on this channel Heathen! ;)

[@PassportG]

@@fabioq6916 lol

[@joeythethrifty]

Canceling my gym membership buying a bunch of soccer balls

[@IgnatiusCheese]

This dude looks like Layne Norton lost his gains