Why Big-Tech is Anti-Democracy | Victor Davis Hanson

Victor Davis Hanson reveals the wealthiest states in America are Democrats, contributing to the left’s outspokenness in the media and 'Big-Tech'. He discusses how Democrats use their wealth to push forward their progressive agenda, ultimately hindering open and fair public debate.
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Author, historian and political commentator Victor Davis Hanson assess what lies ahead for the Democratic party and provides his perspective on the rapidly evolving US cultural and political climate.
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[@mariegetheridge9304]

As a British citizen l'm anxious for Victor David Hanson to be heard more widely in the UK. We need calm rational debate over across the pond too VDH .

[@ika5666]

+1

[@Javalipapere]

Love the UK. Worked in Hull and Milton Keynes areas off and on over 10 years. Wish that people recognized how much the Magna Carta, John Locke, helped shape our Republic

[@martaalvarez4859]

Disdain and hatred for the middle class, that is what drives the powerful. You are right Mr. Davis Hanson.

[@ericlepanto4201]

The rich own the law; the poor ignore it and try to hide from it; the middle class rely on the law as a guarantor of freedom. Hanson is always on target.

[@imdoghimim7995]

That's why it's hard ti get to work .they just hire mexucans to slow traffic ever experienced that???

[@aubreygyates]

This is nothing new. In every century, in every country, the Top has always hated the Middle. The Middle is a near peer competitor for power in a way the Bottom never can be. In all times and places, the formula for politics is the Top manipulating the Bottom to keep the Middle in its place. When the Top slips, as it occasionally does, the Middle gains enough control over the Bottom to topple the Top. This state of affairs is called "Revolution".

[@oliveoil7642]

It was the middle class who organized and drove the French Revolution not the poor as many think! 🤔

[@martaalvarez4859]

@@oliveoil7642 Right! The intellectuals, pampered people. Karl Marx followed their example. In the name of the poor, they take the money from the rich and keep it!

[@jaybee9269]

Victor’s one of my intellectual heroes.

[@sea2959]

if he believes Republicans and Democrats are different in their actions ( speech is obviously different) ...then you hero sucks

[@seanautilis15]

they are totally diff...YOU are baby killers....vile, vicious people @@sea2959

[@joachimmikalsen1676]

And why does that matter?

[@jb-vb8un]

@@sea2959 and as always , ya show no examples or data

[@Misitheus]

Victor has a big brain. It amazes me how he keeps his composure. I would be screaming at the camera....grabbing the lens...."Don't you people see what's going on!" Been listening this man for years! Peace!

[@Riddingwithvivian]

You can't do that if you don't want to sound like a crazy person...the best economists and lawyers have a good sense of humor

[@altongrimes]

Yes. I see what you mean. Imagine having to live life harboring that much insight

[@marijooneill8015]

He is absolutely the best on anything to do with politics, war and the dacrs of them all.

[@oscarrlee18]

Good you like his big brain. Trump knew President xi loved trumps big big brain!

[@jeroldparker7766]

@@oscarrlee18 more Marxist Communist Propaganda and indoctrination, is not working anymore, your time is up!

[@Kotesu]

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience" - CS Lewis

[@AlienPsyTing1]

Excellent quote

[@zarach9459]

It describes the government of Venezuela and it is not a joke.

[@AlienPsyTing1]

@pipper donnie you forgot to write “young WHITE tech millionaires” if you want to bring race into it be consistent

[@Eatzbugs]

Wow. Just wow.

[@yingyang6080]

Fantastic quote ! Thank you

[@cnyphotovideo]

Thank you Victor and John. Definitely two voices that are needed in our time.

[@jaybee9269]

Victor’s so right about the ACLU.

[@pederjohansen2029]

Victor Thomas Hanson and Thomas Sowel are such easy but profound thinkers to listen too. They have insights that most people only dream about.

[@goosecouple]

Walter Williams

[@pederjohansen2029]

@@goosecouple thanks for that, amazing how we only seem to learn about these brilliant people as we get older.

[@GreenStarTech]

Add in Niall Ferguson, Douglas Murray and Malcolm Gladwell

[@kimjungalistkeeler]

@@GreenStarTech and Jordan Peterson

[@mikenero6704]

Very encouraging interview, it's always a pleasure to hear Victor talk about the current situation.

[@postmanlondon]

I wish I could watch VDH all day he restores my faith in human intelligence along with John Mearsheimer. Decency and common sense comes to mind when I listen to what they say.

[@alorikkoln]

Victor Davis Hanson's intelligence is legendary. If he says, that Trump would have won the election, had they counted the votes correctly, then I agree with him, that Trump would have won the election.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

I'm loving all of these uploads recently, particularly the recent extended interview with Peter Hitchens a fortnight or so ago! _Keep 'em coming Mr. Anderson ! ! !_ 😄

[@rexboyles1529]

Listen to this man! His “sober and judicious” insights are rooted in empirical data- historical trends - and the “muscular” common sense of a farmer. God bless VDH!

[@BigPictureYT]

The movie Braveheart, written by Randall Wallace, shows the difference between patriots who love their country and the elites who own property in many different countries and identify with their economic and social class. That difference in identity and loyalty is what we are seeing play out right in front of our eyes.

[@huphuppie8818]

If you got money you are a world citizen and can live everywhere ,if you dont have money you cant.

[@stevenroth4215]

@@huphuppie8818 Not necessarily so, if you have no dependents, a good set of life skills & tools. You can live anywhere you are willing to work with what you actauly have. This is Independence . . . .

[@huphuppie8818]

@@stevenroth4215In your own country perhaps.

[@tscotom]

VDH is an American Prophet, God bless always.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

He hit the nail on the head with younger people considering themselves 'nation-less' 'citizens of the world' whilst ignoring or actively resenting their own countrymen . . . I'm forty now and only ten ~ twelve years ago I thought like that too . . . New Zealand was impossibly 'parochial' and the world beyond so, so exciting. Well, the world _is_ sometimes a cool place but being out in it for an extended period I learned to abandon my wannabe-elitist snobbishness _fast._ I lost my oikophobia ! ! !

[@oftin_wong]

I remember back in the mid 80's Someone I knew ...sort of, whining about being a 'citizen of the world' when they encountered red tape at an international border and didn't have their ducks in order.

[@onetwo5155]

This was the case for me as well; it was easy to initially buy into this mentality due to the inexperience of youth and the grand assumption that there is some sort of all encompassing culture and mentality that supercedes nationality. I'm glad I came out of this Utopian fallacy and came to appreciate the uniqueness of my country and people and the realities of peoples differences.

[@fletcherhamilton3177]

@@onetwo5155 - the weird thing is, although in New Zealand education is generally left-leaning (I’d stop short of claiming that it was ‘far left’ in my day, ‘cos it wasn’t - it was left-of-center), I don’t think that it was my schooling / NZ education - primary, secondary or tertiary - that engendered this attitude in me. It’s actually scary to try to consider _where exactly_ this conception of being a ‘citizen of the world’ on my part came from, and to realize that I cannot easily come up with a concrete answer to this question sort of freaks me out . . . Possibly a mixture of television / TV shows, movies and schooling, but I cannot really attribute any portion of blame to any one of those things on its own . . . But your description of the fallacy that there is some ‘all-encompassing human “default” mentality that supersedes nation states’ is an excellent definition. I think a lot of of that would be to do with the West’s latter-twentieth century abandonment of Christianity, which I think now a lot of people are beginning to realize was a very important lynchpin, if not _the_ most fundamental one, in the wheel of European society and culture. The assumption that in ‘unshackling’ ourselves from religion and thus affording ourselves a greater ability to ‘connect’ to a ‘wider world’ was / is utterly flawed. I’d say that was a lot of it, on my part certainly. I was quite a Dawkins + (Christopher) Hitchens acolyte from eighteen ~ thirty-five, as one might expect, and I hung off of their every word . . . 😅 But yep - having lived in Asia for over ten years now I definitely rediscovered just how awesome and unique a place New Zealand really is (as consistently hard as Jokecinda Ardumb and the Kiwi Left is / are working to make it _not_ awesome) . . .

[@Tommykennedy101]

I would think it's the overall corruption within treasonous governments that play a major part in it. Especially with the young. Alongside the fact that most adults don't seem to want to take responsibility in dealing with them.

[@Skyking6976]

So do you understand that at some degree of wealth the idle rich travel the world to see friends or events as casually as you drive to the nearest city?

[@Klaatu-ij9uz]

My fear is that national elections, hence forth, will never be fairly executed for the masses to ever trust the outcomes. I believe this elitist strategy is already sadly entrenched.

[@gc2696]

Once someone has the power to guarantee an election win....will he give it up for the sake of fairness ?

[@friendlyone2706]

The power is in the ignored local precincts. Volunteer if you care.

[@marksherrill9337]

Unfortunately true. I do not have confidence in elections, the FBI the IRS. American institutions have lost credibility. Very sad. Never questioned our institution’s loyalty before.

[@wayback75]

Klaatu , I hate to say it but I tend to agree with you.

[@billorights1596]

There is nobody even close to being as great as VDH.

[@bilboblaggins7659]

I may be incorrect but I think the republican states produce most of the food. Been a lot of suspicious food production plant fires lately.

[@theevilidiot4729]

PLEASE get Victor Davis Hanson and Jordan Peterson together. VDH's knowledge of world history and his theories of what starts wars would be excellent to discuss with Peterson as far as psychology. VDH's main claim is that lack of deterrence is often the only trigger you need for one state to act against another.

[@larrymiller4]

Bingo. Good call.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

I wish I could be as optimistic as my "hero", VDH. I have lived in California for 56 years. I see no reason for optimism.

[@paulrevere2379]

It's tricky, but I think it's less about optimism than it is about Gratitude. I am one who has studied much of the same kinds of things as Dr. Hanson although my achievements are not academic and I am no farmer, but rather an American warrior and leader of warriors, a dying breed btw. Anyway the simple truth about American exceptionalism is that human nature takes over. We have had the greatest run, but the entropy of decadent corruption was never something preventable, only something to resist as long as possible. However, the legacy of our exceptionalism lives on. It lives on in free nations (imperfect and struggling though they may be) around the world. Nations that would still be subjugated under despotism were it not for the US either passively or actively. So there actually is a reason for optimism. 100 years ago there were few free and independent nations in the world. Two hundred years ago when the US was young and growing strong there were almost none.

[@patrickunderwood5662]

We can elect all the Republican legislators we want, but the Federal bureaucracy, overwhelmingly Democrat, is virtually immune to Congressional (i.e. voter) action of any sort. And they want us to understand that.

[@friendlyone2706]

Virtually means almost. Almost is not 100% We are fighting the Big Boys, the count is nine but not 10. Time to watch the original Rocky.

[@woodycaudill3906]

America's federal government has purged right we eng thinking workers for years & just look what it has now become. It's more like an Aligarchy than a Republic.

[@ericeisenhofer2867]

The majority of Republicans would rather play second sister to the DemocRats than allow any America First candidate to hold an ounce of power, and actually use that power.

[@Antipodean33]

"Fascism should be called Corporatism more properly, because it's the perfect merger of power between corporation and the state" Mussolini

[@jamesmilton8765]

On the nail and exactly what we are seeing.

[@TeaParty1776]

Fascism is a gun stuck into the faces of corporations. Only facism has political power. You rationalize the evasion of individual rights, ie, capitalism.

[@virgilpalmer2427]

We've been under fascism in America for many decades.. We've moved openly into socialism, and we're secretly under Communist control...

[@TeaParty1776]

@@virgilpalmer2427 > secretly under Communist control. Secretly?! You dont watch TV news, do you? And socialism is as old as town schools before the Revolution, the Constitution's Postal Service and money coining; 1830s canals and harbors; national parks, 1900?; Federal Reserve, 1914. Ive probably missed a lot New Fascism: Rule By Consensus-Ayn Rand

[@larrymiller4]

Here the national (formerly federal) government calls it the "public-private partnership."

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Thank you for saying so many things that needed to be said! Particularly with regard to Globalists!

[@jnauttube]

I LIVE in Seattle, I don't go there either.

[@DMDvideo10]

People left Europe to free themselves from Kings and dictators... They built a new home here only to have Kings and Dictators try to take it from them... They fought back and won... Here we are again 250 years later and Kings and Dictators are trying to take our freedom again... What are we going to do about it?

[@1114gabby]

Absolutely true. We are no different than serfs in feudal England toiling for a small piece of ground which we may never own.

[@rockyroads1735]

I enjoy these gentleman. They help me know I'm thinking right because I see it the same way

[@jimmareno2732]

we are completely under attack

[@jimluebke3869]

"I'm doing this for you" -- Silicon Valley types lack the empathy to even say this, typically. "We all need to do it this way because it's the best thing to do", with "best" being defined as whatever lunatic idea is fashionable. As for who they're doing it "for", it could be "for the environment", or "for efficiency", or "for the economy", or "for the oppressed" or "for the delta smelt", or "for this one person's true identity", but in my experience they basically never are doing this for "you". That's far too concrete for their grandiose plans.

[@beecat9951]

Such an important topic, thank you.

[@markz.5891]

Good talk John. Please post the date of the interview for better context.

[@bobbyb.6644]

Got to love VDH - Got it pegged ! 🧐

[@seasonedbeefs]

Good work Brilliant piece

[@noblenotes27]

It's amazing how we (must ) listen to lots of talk shows to come up with the best solutions for any subject of importance as an American or any country. Educate ourselves.

[@brettweary8491]

Absolutely John

[@ruthokelley5833]

Yes! That makes good sense! Don’t leave the ‘dirty’ work for someone else! Everyone of us have ideas...that could bring some balance! But, without putting actions (coupled with uncertainty), there will be no change.

[@alandavis9644]

Basically urban against rural.

[@kaylenehousego8929]

" No empathy no empathy no empathy " = a very dangerous psychiatric diagnosis...unless of course you can purchase friends n influential people.

[@dmannevada5981]

What people have to understand is context when it comes to why states are wealthier or poorer. Calif as an example was dominated by Republican policy from the 1880's-1980's. It was already one of the worlds biggest economies & wealthiest states before the Dems started to take over in the 90's and went full blue this century. But, like cities, the Dems slowly ruin everything with their policies, much like Calif is now staring to suffer. Other western states also were Republican and very desirable places to live, and like Calif, they too have slowly been taken over by the left...hence the "don't bring your politics here" movement. On the flip side, the poorer states, particularly in the south, were dominated by the Dems for decades, even a century. Look at the southern states, all dominated by the Dems from after the civil war up until the last few 3-4 decades. Today, it's the southern states that have seen the largest economic gains per capita, and while still behind places like Calif, have made great strides...all still trying to deal with a century of democrat economic legacy. I'm relatively liberal, but how do I deny history. The Republicans build state economies, making them more desirable to live in. Then the demographics change, the states turn blue, then you start seeing the decline, while poor red states are poor because they were Democrats states for decades/century as I stated. Why is this I ask?

[@76verdee]

From what I remember the Democrats used illegal immigrants to take over California. When the Republicans started cracking down on the flow of illegal immigrants into the states. It started when the Republicans started cracking down and forcing people to prove citizenship or green cards to send their children to school. I don't necessarily agree with how they tried to deny kids education but I do understand why they were doing it. People have been sending their children across the border for free education and Healthcare on our taxpayers dime for many decades and the Republicans were trying to stop people from taking advantage of us. I've got a lot of Hispanic friends and family and seen them using every loophole they could. We've got the " Lidman's " the largest broom factory in the United States where I live which is the reason why we are known locally as little Mexico. The vast majority of the Hispanics in my area are all from the same state in Mexico.

[@anonygent]

Interesting analysis. The only thing I would suggest is that Democratic policies lead to poverty while Republican policies lead to success. But the case of the south between the Civil War and the 1970s has probably different explanations because the economic policies weren't all that different between north and south.

[@dmannevada5981]

@@anonygent Republicans had actual influence in the north. In fact, just go back and look at historical voting in the north compared to the south. The north has a long history of voting Republican prior to recent decades. The south didn't see Republicans win anything pushing a century after the civil war. There is just denying historically two things. The Republicans are far better with building economies, and the Democrats are far better with social policy(until recently).

[@rsmyth75]

Because the democrat party was formed to defend slavery and after the civil war to in-statueJim Crow and segregation!!!

[@chicotime69]

What people have to start realising, is they need us much more than we need them!!!!!!!!

[@user-qk3sc8rq9r]

I grew up in dairy country in upstate NY and Mr. Hanson's grounded common sense reminds me of those farmers understanding of life. We need to get back to that in this country. Make no mistake, the people running this country have a gangster mentality.

[@davidseabourn9303]

VDH Presidential. Too intelligent, honorable and has too much stoic integrity...sadly.

[@chriskilmer5197]

Way to GO !!!

[@larryhernandez769]

Another Excellent Video . . . Thanks . Larry Hernandez

[@davidhunt313]

*_There is no Humanity without humility!!_*

[@sidr2009]

More money than sense.

[@amberwoodstudio]

Great description. He nailed it

[@davidpearson7610]

I have a lot of respect for Victor Davis Hanson and you, John Anderson. I am a Christian and believe with all my heart the word of God and what I am hearing brings to mind The story of Noah: He preached for a very long time God was going to destroy the world by water because of unrighteousness and sin all the while building a great boat to save the righteous. No body believed him, they mocked him and made fun much like what our world is doing now. Little by little that masterminds have taken everything that promotes anything to do with God out of our country and I believe in my lifetime the world will see what a world without God and the influence of his people (love, peace joy, forgiveness, etc.)will be like! No body listened when Noah was preaching. The from the stand point of a poor person the problems of our world are to deep and complex for any one man or party only God and people repenting and turning to Him will change the course of our world. We are only dealing with the fruits of the problem.

[@elsenored562]

*The Great Western Experiment* 9:18 Prior to the Obama years 9:31 ... courageous people ... devoted to constitutional government, free markets, and private property 9:42 the Judeo-Christian traditions ... great literature

[@angieburnett485]

Please give us accurate dates and more contemporary information! Victor Hanson is the best historian and intellectual

[@6663000]

wisest man in the world

[@tomchristian9932]

Thank you!

[@pekingdux3547]

I would think big tech, big government, or big anything is anti democracy. The control of information and resources through a central node is never a good idea.

[@fcanderson4883]

Wow, thank you for the eye opening, you articulate the situation so well and the insight is amazing, spot on. So many people who think and claim to be intellectual are missing this key point in globalization de-mocracy and the polarization fractioning of the political process in the United States right now,, which appears to be an irreversible trend such that the constitution doesn't even look familiar anymore, (please excuse my lack of articulation of what it is that I'm trying to describe which I'm probably doing a better job of distorting). I want to say great video, I am glad to have found it, your channel and happily becoming a subscriber

[@martinlopez4430]

We need a Big Break UP of Big Tech! Just like we did with the Oil Companies, big tech needs to be dismantled!

[@brianbeaubien7371]

I'm so grateful for this great mind dr. Victor Davis Hanson❤

[@marcethier4362]

Equality of opportunity isn't there when one grade school has 3d printers, and a school 3 miles away cant afford to heat their classrooms.

[@chriszelez7970]

Brillant.

[@skmelb7]

Victor is Awesome!!

[@billgilkerson5294]

First time I have heard VDH allude to the cheat. Awesome

[@1114gabby]

me too...wow.

[@brendanjobe6895]

God bless the Brits of 1938-1940. "Surrender" is not part of their vocabulary - then or now. They paid a heavy price, but bought us time. Mr. Hanson is 100% correct, as usual.

[@jimgrady8004]

We are in a time where the average person is no longer necessary.

[@b1denison]

Excellent interview!

[@christophermoon7783]

Communication, community, cohesion and collaboration in a large middle class is like kryptonite to the neo-fuedal neo-liberalists.

[@slingerssecretlaboratory]

VDH is an icon indeed.

[@gingerwilliams2092]

Wow! So Very interesting!

[@dwm813]

Great insight.

[@ethiopiandancinggoatherder7894]

Date of this interview?

[@youtruckrek5121]

thanks

[@user-kc1ol8so3e]

Why isn’t this man better known?Why isn’t he being promoted all over the country.

[@vijay-1]

Insightful

[@drgeorgek]

John can have an entire channel simply interviewing VDH

[@jdavis8610]

If they asked me why I needed a snowmobile, I'd ask them why they needed their big yacht.

[@ThomasLeonard454]

So many do NOT realize that this life we are living is like Animal farm and 1984 right now.

[@michaelhiggins2562]

Victor always delivers insightful commentary. Thank you! Vote Republican.

[@mauriceslevines6100]

There can be no "restoration" until there is a violent capitulation and denouement. Of course, the dust has to settle too.

[@davidbenner2289]

Loudoun, Fairfax, Montgomery, Alexandria, Arlington, Prince William in the DC area are very rich,

[@kevinmorris7722]

Hanson has never missed. It always turns out just like his foresight.

[@TheTel]

Victor really seems like one of the last sane intellectuals in the world.

[@robmanzoni5766]

Why has Mr Anderson got a cigarette sticking out of his ear...? ;>)

[@hunt792]

Victor represents true, level critical thinking. we should listen to him....

[@buryitdeep]

So glad patriots still exist.

[@davidnelson6893]

Yes you got that right

[@gothivore277]

They see themselves as higher life forms and thus can commit any atrocity they desire while claiming it’s for “the greater good.” They are extremely dangerous

[@catherinechoma8084]

It's a shame what's happening in this world

[@anaibarangan4908]

That's obvious TRUTH

[@KittraKittra]

A very important video. “Must See”

[@ruthokelley5833]

I agree on that...but identifying the problem and making plans and taking action is the solution! Too many people with clever minds, are talking our problems to death...with very little problem solving plans backed up with actions! These people must think they can parcel out the dirty work for the lowly, angry citizen, while they watch from their elevated perch.

[@James_36]

They write books thinking it will somehow solve the issue however the people who consume them are supporters of them already, not the left who would just burn the book. This is why I start to resent the constant book writers who keep talking and writing about the issues. Okay writer a book make some money but once you are established start solution building.

[@williamdavies1192]

Ok, so what’s the plan then.

[@ruthokelley5833]

@William Davies Maybe if you ‘hit me up’ on a better night. I do have ideas but a lot of people believe them to be too Pollyanna! And at 82 and major back problems at the moment...I can offer little right now. But I do know that ‘killing’ each other won’t solve a single problem! Just lays ground work for long range heartache and more pain.

[@ruthokelley5833]

@William Davies Maybe if you ‘hit me up’ on a better night. I do have ideas but a lot of people believe them to be too Pollyanna! And at 82 and major back problems at the moment...I can offer little right now. But I do know that ‘killing’ each other won’t solve a single problem! Just lays ground work for long range heartache and more pain.

[@ruthokelley5833]

@William Davies Maybe if you ‘hit me up’ on a better night. I do have ideas but a lot of people believe them to be too Pollyanna! And at 82 and major back problems at the moment...I can offer little right now. But I do know that ‘killing’ each other won’t solve a single problem! Just lays ground work for long range heartache and more pain.

[@proudtobeanamerican]

People with a citizen of the world attitude and no allegiance should lose their USA citizenship. A foreigners should have to pay 10 time the property tax that citizens, citizenship need perks and loyalty.

[@THEROOTMATTERS]

I like your shirt, John.

[@jagdtiger9287]

It's time for people to boycott these corporations.

[@dubdeuce573]

"...a fair vote count, according to the rules established by the state legislature, DT won that election..." thank you VDH for stating this simple but profound observation.

[@jerrypeal653]

Elite underestimate the will and resolve of common people .

[@charlysteenstevens9314]

That's what I see too. They are a new kind of *aristocrat.*

[@atenas80525]

"for the common good" - is the alibi of all tyrants

[@bv9613]

VDH is awesome.

[@standTrueNorthStrongandFree]

on the closing question of (outlook) on America's future, sure hope Mr. Davis is right

[@rossheikkila6959]

I am Blue Collar and yes there are those who are by wealth alone more powerful but I believe the working class has woken from there slumber and will eliminate the problem if "they" dont want to share. It is sad when any group thinks there so special. We all have worth and value. Thank you John and Victor, for your deep thot provoking analysis. 66 WM Calgary Canada

[@marksteele45]

This is what happens when a nation forgets God, and it's going to get worse.

[@jagdtiger9287]

If the American people are still going to these social sites and watching the mainstream press and being mesmerized by television and going to every entertainment venue then they have not woke up yet and are still sleeping.