Iger Opponent Wants To Fire Kevin Feige And Have No Female Or Black Lead Films

The TJCS crew discuss Disney investor Nelson Peltz slamming Kevin Feige, questioning his track record and diversity in Marvel movies.
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[@Thatiskapp]

The guy that created BILLIONS in share holder value with B-list superheroes should be fired?

[@heavycritic9554]

Some of them weren't even B-list, tbh.

[@cl4-tpgaming]

@@heavycritic9554maybe hulk, but the other five were b and c list characters, Captain America was a joke until his movie came out, iron man had like 2 good comics, and Thor, Thor you really needed a lotta shrooms to appreciate.😂 there are newspapers from 2007 that call paramount leadership idiots for making an iron man movie, they said it would never make as much money as Spider-Man 3😂

[@bluesunrise2323]

Honestly it doesn't matter what you did before if you been trash lately it's like sports talents come and go people peek and then it's all downhill from ther

[@Alex_Logan22]

​@@bluesunrise2323 Yea I'm sure Deadpool will pick up from The Marvel's downslope.

[@lukeydukey20]

I still think Marvel’s issue is that post endgame, they got spread too thin with the Disney plus content. Throw a pandemic in there(which hurt the storylines if Multiverse of Madness, Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and most likely others), and you’re just in a tough spot. Let’s not forget Chadwick’s death in there too.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

And the firing of Gunn.

[@tedwards1092]

And a CEO who took away creative control and gave it to a bunch of bankers and then said crank out as much stuff as possible.

[@bluesunrise2323]

true all this just compounds...the real test is if they can somehow right the ship in the next few years or if it just continues to sink...and i think it all starts with nelson peltz pushing the right buttons getting things moving, Disney is like one of those failing restaurants on gordon ramseys show and they need someone to come in and clean house and fire a lot of people who dont make the cut...

[@Dragonstar13]

Agree all 3 points. Gunn being fired was the biggest mistake Disney did, and I'm glad they go GotG3 done, but sad that Gunn is no longer with the MCU. Feige and Gunn together would been a great team.

[@bluesunrise2323]

@@Dragonstar13 at least DC is in good hands now

[@Alton7771]

Nelson is one of those people that they they are not racist they have a black friend but you realize that Kayne west is the black friend

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

nah he's one of those guys who thinks logically and can see through the garbage agendas

[@Alex_Logan22]

​@@SirmasterBruceWang "The mutant agenda must be extinguished."

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@Alex_Logan22 the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@SirmasterBruceWang “needs” 🤣

[@genevieveweston671]

There is also the fact that Chapek put so much pressure on Feige to make so much product that Feige couldn't manage the quality in the past few years

[@britishgass6947]

I personally do not buy that as the reason for the decline of Disney. But I do appreciate you replying with a thought out and reasoned point

[@bluesunrise2323]

Chapel was barely ther a lot of the shit was already in motion bob over I think is mostly to blame here

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

It’s 100% Chapek’s fault that we have a BAD MCU phase. Feige is in repair mode right now.

[@txag]

@@pkthe2ndhokage188 What was the total time Chapek was fully in charge as CEO? Hint, it wasn't very long. Who was leading Marvel from Iger to Chapek? Hint, it was still Feige in charge of Marvel. Feige has to answer for the poor direction of the MCU.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@txag shhh, they don't want critical thinking here

[@fhkafhfd]

I’m sure the comment section here will be very mature, civil, and understandable.

[@KeeperProtector]

Hope so.😶

[@salahalamoudi7718]

Cultural warriors have been in meltdown over Disney for 6 months. Their stock just hit 120, and Wall Street expects it to go even higher.... They're seething

[@davidmelendezsoto7528]

Let the games begin

[@owencapp2004]

John’s comment sections are never mature, civil or understandable

[@owencapp2004]

@@clonyoutube as was I, goose

[@MagicShadows54]

While yes some movies haven’t been my cup of tea, it be stupid asf to fire the person who built the entire MCU.

[@omsaxena116]

Yes, Feigi was part of the beginning of the MCU. However, as he got more and more control over Marvel, the quality kept decreasing. Other factors may be at play, but there is a clear pattern here.

[@roughghost663]

Bro where have you beeen he got ALL of his power taken away ever since Covid he barely got it back a few months ago….

[@arkanasrevenge3079]

I'm sure he has no problem with all wite cast of Northman. i'm sure he's all good with that

[@bryanwouters443]

Northman is not Disney movie so why would he care🤣and Elon lives rent free🤡

[@windso878]

nelsen peltz sounds like a villain of the X-Men

[@tengkudita3665]

He can play Trask or Henry Gyrich.

[@EnterGalacticComics]

He’s Creed from FOH

[@ludensanchez3264]

Lmao

[@MH23455]

The first Ms. Marvel and Black Panther made over a billion each. Disney didn't need to do it but how many black leads or female leads in an MCU film? Not many and a nice change for once. I would love to know what message his talking about.

[@Raivo_K]

Odd how all the racists and misogynists just went to see those movies. Almost as if people did not care as long as the movie was good.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yea The Marvel's really doesn't have a message, it's all over the place with randomness.

[@JB-sc1tg]

I don't care about the race or gender of the people starring in the movies. Just make sure the writing is good and you've got my money.

[@pse2020]

i aprove of this message

[@sambradley1256]

It really is that simple.

[@MyWorldYourView]

Not to mention, 1st best actor/actress nomination for an Oscar, for Angela Bassett, a black woman…

[@therealeverton]

Great point!

[@rachelgreenwood7047]

If he doesn't want females in movies, why is his daughter, Nicola, an actress, who was Mark Wahlbergs daughter in the Transformers franchise!!

[@latishabuckner8231]

Oh it's fine as long as women don't lead films I guess.

[@svenm4740]

@@latishabuckner8231 Or it is the usual "that is something completly different" stuff people like this love. But I am honestly surprised his daughter is allowed to get a job of her own. He sounds like a hardcore "stay in the kitchen" guy.

[@Raivo_K]

As "leads". Not "at all". Two very different things.

[@HistoryNerd8]

Something tells me if marvel had the rights to Spider-Man, this dude would be mad at the success of the Spider-verse films.

[@christinemikhail7088]

I guess Peltz just revealed his own hand, he knows and understands nothing about films. It’s unfortunate.

[@stichhavoc88]

He knows how to make profit which is something the MCU has lost the ability to do by putting out quality films and content

[@christinemikhail7088]

@@stichhavoc88 True. However, He kind of revealed he doesn’t know (understand) much about the movie business the minute he started questioning Feige tho. Even I know that was a dumb move.

[@stichhavoc88]

@@christinemikhail7088 no questioning Feige is a valid point. He’s not questioning the past he’s questioning his record of the last 5 years when Feige has soley been in charge. As lest we forget Feige wasn’t soley in charge during the reign of the MCU’s success

[@christinemikhail7088]

@@stichhavoc88 I thought there was a mandate by the other CEO to pump out as much content as possible. I also thought that under the previous guard, a lot of rights had been stripped away from studio heads that they previously had. Did quality change? Absolutely. I do think that Bob Chapek made a lot of decisions that may have affected the outcome as it is today. If you think about it……. It’s kind of when everything started to go downhill.

[@stichhavoc88]

@@christinemikhail7088 Bob Chapek isn’t innocent by no means you are correct there. However many of the things that also caused issues during his tenure were instigated by Iger before his departure. The loss of quality was a product of both Iger and Chapek as both of them pushed for ALOT of content to be made for streaming. D+ is one of Iger’s biggest issues during his tenure as he wanted it to be ready to compete against Netflix etc in a short amount of time. Marvel started to have issues before Chapek took over post endgame it’s been a steady decline. We must also remember Feige had to get approval from the marvel committee during the most successful years of the MCU. From phase 4 and on it’s been Feige in charge, he is the one who hired inexperienced writers, directors etc to helm multi million dollar productions and while some happened under Chapek, his infamous same day and date release on D+ one of his glaring missteps, many were already under way during Iger they just released during chapek’s tenure.

[@NocioKu]

They didnt even include Black panther 2 as a women led film smh

[@gwill153]

This is why we need John in these spaces. He backs his POV w/data and facts and not unfounded emotionality and rage. Don't retire, John, we need you.

[@rudyzamora5397]

Seriously, When he retires we’re fahkd

[@yubnub420gaming]

​@@rudyzamora5397 Yep..😐

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

The rants are entertaining

[@yubnub420gaming]

@@pkthe2ndhokage188 also true. Lol

[@crazycriz5000]

His takes are VERY emotional. He literally is known for going on rants. He’s not using data, he’s using straw man arguments like he always does. He picks and chooses when he wants to bring nuance into the scenario to support his own agenda which is to support all the bs identity politics. Its not brave to back it, its cowardly to sit by as a company destroys a brand and spit in its fan’s faces that helped build that brand.

[@eurongreyjoy2]

It's not diversity that makes a bad movie: it's not enough investment in the script, it's a bloated budget, it's a lack of risk taking. A black woman playing your lead has nothing to do with it.

[@crazycriz5000]

But when you prioritize diversity hires over story and people that can tell great stories, it DOES matter. The director of the Marvels was a black female, you CANNOT sit there with a straight face and tell me that she was the best person for the job. Disney knew she wasn’t the best option, but they hired her because she’s black and because the leads were female. Her background in comic books was fan fiction, that’s hardly any concrete experience. You guys can deny it all you want but Disney and Hollywood in general clearly has an agenda that’s hurting their brand. Denying it only causes them to continue to produce terrible stories.

[@sandyduckman43]

​@crazycriz5000 Or hear me out, sometimes you think they'll be great for the job, but then it doesn't turn out the way you thought it would? Will you say the same about Morbius? Directed by a white guy, written by two white guys.

[@89DrFunk]

Someone tell Archie Bunker to go back to his kitchen and eat his oatmeal and rice pudding. 🙄 The MCU went south after the previous CEO came in and changed everything and created a mess by ram assing content at the expense of quality. The new CEO is now going back to what made him billions by putting people in the right place to do what they do best.

[@Kekkersboy]

That's an insult to Archie Bunker. In the actual series Archie supported and defended people of different races and cultures.

[@nolinpowe]

Kris to answer your question this seems like a pure case of personal vendetta over business structure. For someone to say they don't want female leads or an all black cast or even let Kevin Feige keep his job, all of this smells like a personal vendetta over a professional business move

[@imposter685]

I would like more diversity films. However, I’m tired of gender and race swapping. There’s so many good heroes to choose from. Blue marvel, is a black hero who has to do with the civil rights movement and is extremely intelligent and powerful. He is just one example of many. Or Dr voodoo

[@farhadarian2]

This, most people don’t have an issue with diversity, it’s the unnecessary race and gender swapping that’s annoying, as you said there’s so many good original characters they could use but they don’t

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@farhadarian2 how dare you guys bring up a nuanced opinion on this topic! Only 3xtrem3st opinions are allowed here!

[@BenJonesart]

@@SirmasterBruceWang Had me laughing and nodding at the same time lol

[@erothawilliams266]

But Peltz would object to films about those two characters being made.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@erothawilliams266 where's the proof of that, bot?

[@buhlengcibi6979]

Isaac Perlmutter and Neslon Pelzt both born 1942 are older than time ,how are they still chairperson of Marvel entertainment

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

how is Biden still president at his exact same age as Peltz?

[@arkanasrevenge3079]

oId wite man doesn't want all black cast? SHOCKING

[@jonathanfrederick8458]

Made even worse by the fact that he is attempting to PERMANENTLY BAN gender equality.

[@Kekkersboy]

The return of Perlmutter

[@lucascassol2995]

He much prefers putting his daughter in his movies, but never as a leading actor. I’m surprised no one’s talking about how this guy is the Nicol Peltz’s dad, Katara from The Last Airbender 2010 and Problematic Female Character #1 from Transformers Age of Extinction.

[@DarrinBell]

@@ronpetersen2317 You might be confusing your anti-equity ideology with what happened with Black Panther and Captain Marvel. It’s not as if there was a white Black Panther with a white cast that got “pushed out and replaced” by Black people. It’s not as if “being white” is the default attribute of all movie characters, and therefore the existence of a couple films about and starring Black people is taking anything away from white people.

[@Kekkersboy]

@@lucascassol2995 And the entire reason for that is another Exec was having issues with his son being in trouble for dating someone underage. So he put his daughter in the movie with that weird Romeo/Juliet law as a favor for him

[@soundbombin23]

Kevin Feige will be fine once they get Deadpool & Wolverine receipts.

[@crazycriz5000]

It’ll just be like GOTG 3, if the success doesn’t continue it won’t change a thing. Deadpool was successful before the MCU so people are expecting it to be a banger, just like people expected Guardians 3 to be a banger because James Gunn is an amazing storyteller. They’re like outliers.

[@funkysam1345]

​@@crazycriz5000 Yeah I don't think any single movie can be the saviour of the MCU. coz what they need is a proper direction. If a movie vows to correct that, then we could say the MCU is back on track. But there seems to be no vision. These are certain isolated projects which literally take place outside the current MCU. Nd it's just a temporary fix. Marvel cab only truly be fixed when they set out m with a clear direction in terms of story telling.

[@crazycriz5000]

@@funkysam1345 And stop hiring directors like Nia Dacosta

[@austinnatwick5293]

Fire him instead of Kevin Feige

[@richardhearn1579]

It amazes me they didn't mention former Marvel Entertainment president Ike Perlmutter said the exact same thing. He based his opinion on this based on he didn't think the action figures would sell. Sounds like Perlmutter got in Peltz's ear, both are in the wrong.

[@johncampea]

Did you actually watch the video?

[@richardhearn1579]

@@johncampea Of course, I don't recall hearing Perlmutter's name in it though. Peltz's talking points are exactly the same as Perlmutter's, whether they are for the exact reasons I don't know, but either way regardless of Perlmutter or Peltz's reasoning for their statements, they are both in the wrong.

[@DaveMaguire]

Shouldn't Wakanda Forever be considered the 3rd female lead superhero movie Marvel produced? Shuri is the main character.

[@Krysten_now]

This!

[@AndrewClark-ie9nx]

I mean it really doesn’t matter. It made over 700 mill that’s not gonna help Pelts point anyway.

[@Krysten_now]

@@AndrewClark-ie9nx it just further supports John's point even more.

[@king_julian327]

​@@AndrewClark-ie9nxLet's just ignore the fact that over a 3rd of the box office exaporated from it's predecessor.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@AndrewClark-ie9nx it does matter when you consider that it made over $500 mill less than the first one. Ouch

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

Peltz is going to go crazy when he finds out what X-men are about.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

didn't know the x men were entirely a black or female team interesting

[@tyronetarvin2310]

The X-men are all about inclusivity. Nothing about being all black or female team. Clearly you missed the point 🤯

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

@@tyronetarvin2310 THANK YOU! Your response was perfect.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@pkthe2ndhokage188 How was his response perfect? He was telling you you're wrong bahahaha that's awkward

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

@@SirmasterBruceWang Tyron’s response was perfect. And Tyron was telling Bruce Wang that he missed the point. Duh.

[@EnterGalacticComics]

Feige gave us Iron Man, Avengers, Guardians and Winter Solider his work speaks for itself

[@txag]

That's old news. Phase 4 and 5 have struggled, at best.

[@soulofanerd9364]

And your just naming movies that are unanimously considered great. Besides those, the entire mcu averaged 1 billion per film so even the ones you haven't named are MAJORITY HUGE financial successes. So this guy's questioning the current leadership just based off 2 years is kinda lame.

[@txag]

@@soulofanerd9364 It's called a trend. And so far there's nothing that's shown the downward trend won't continue. Sure there's been blips of success but over all Phase 4 and 5 have been a major disappointment regarding Marvel. And that's not talking about other areas of Disney.

[@soulofanerd9364]

@txag there's nothing that shows it will continue either 🤷🏽‍♂️. To say major disappointment is subjective while figures and data say it's been "A" disappointment for sure (MAJOR is the subjective part). Either way none of what you said refutes what I just said about this Pelz guy's stupid statements

[@txag]

@@soulofanerd9364 So far there is no data to show there will be a turn around. Can it? Sure. But investors will look at what's coming up and determine if they will change the current trend. And no, to say what Disney has been doing lately has been a major disappointment to investors looking to make a good return on their investment. You're more than welcome to prove his statements are objectively stupid.

[@alex_foster]

"As Peltz would say 'two too many'" 😂😂😂 Ya funny

[@blueflameSM]

Questioning Fiege, did you not look at his billions of dollars he made Disney? Yes, he’s had some flops/stumbles, but he has been very successful.

[@cl4-tpgaming]

I mean, did he flop, or was he asked to not only pump out movies faster than previously but also tv shows and not be allowed to properly shoot or write those shows, to the point where a finale of one of the shows points this out and calls out Disney for making marvel subpar😂

[@king_julian327]

​@@cl4-tpgamingAll of that was in place before Chapek took charge. But so many peeps just wanna blame him for all the crap we've seen. Most of this shit was greenlit and released pre and post his time there.

[@haroonsadiq4319]

Wakanda Forever was also a female lead film. So it should increase the average box office for that category.

[@crazycriz5000]

Wakanda Forever was very much carried by the sentiment of Chadwick’s passing, it was more so a celebration of his memory as T’challa. The movie was pretty mid.

[@JasonYu35]

I lost it when John said this “nipple pimple”. I’m still dying 😂 gonna try to use that sometime

[@bernwulf]

Black Panther 2 is also a female led movie

[@GoldenPyle]

The Marvels was all women leads

[@user-nw3jl4mm6v]

​@@GoldenPyleso did Black Panther 2:Suri,her mother and Riri.

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

The comment was "All Female Cast" Not "all female lead". There is a difference.

[@bernwulf]

@@JamesJacksonFilmz thats nonsense was there ever a all female cast movie? I think they meant leads

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

@@bernwulf irrelevant because that’s what he said. I can’t tell what he thinks. I just know what he said. Words do matter

[@thehacker4012]

Well, at least Nelson Peltz says the quiet part out loud so we can stop pretending that a lot of the backlash against phase 4 and phase 5 of MCU isn't rooted in bigotry.

[@tonyOn1ce]

Id say its 90 percent because it's crappy and 10% of bigots and people saying mSHEu. But mostly because they dropped the ball.

[@BirdLives7]

A lot but in fairness marvel has been awful recently

[@thehacker4012]

@@tonyOn1ce Nah, I think percentage of crappy MCU films and shows is much lower than 90%

[@thehacker4012]

@@BirdLives7 Fans said the same thing about the Simpsons during its golden years.

[@snoogiepew]

an old rich man complaining about race and women? what’s new?

[@theman344]

someone sounds jealous .. i guess old, rich, white men are not allowed to have opinions??

[@rachelgreenwood7047]

He's gonna run for president of the USA next!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Alex_Logan22]

​@@theman344 Not stupid ones.

[@snoogiepew]

@@theman344 When did i say white? You literally brought race into this.

[@captaincorona9488]

Fire Feige? What is going on with Disney. Feige is Disneys cash cow there.

[@stichhavoc88]

No he’s not. He hasn’t been in over 6 years.

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

@@stichhavoc88 what was the number that Campea just said that MCU made over the last 6 movies? Seems like a lot of money. Not prime time MCU money but still a lot of money.

[@stichhavoc88]

@@pkthe2ndhokage188doesn’t excuse the continued undisputed decline of the brand dude. Yes some money has been made but also to have remember how much they’ve spent, distribution cuts etc. Also Feige has hired inexperienced and under qualified people direct, write and run these multi million dollar shows which has resulted in costly losses with re-shoots, re-writes delays etc. He’s failed to keep the quality of the brand from before and that falls on him.

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

@@stichhavoc88 you don’t blame Chapek for any of the decline? Seems to fit the timeline of the decline. Let’s see how the MCU is now that Iger is back in charge. But I agree with you on the decline. The Marvels was a HARD watch.

[@stichhavoc88]

@@pkthe2ndhokage188 no Chapek shares some of the blame absolutely his move to same day release on D+ was ill advised. Iger won’t help it any either as many of the fallouts were instigated by him. As Chapek wasn’t the only one pushing for a lot of D+ content Iger was guilty of this as well. Also we can’t forget he MASSIVELY overspent billions Acquiring Fox. He’s done close to nothing to improve the state of Disney as a whole other than jacking up prices a the parks etc. The continued disorganization and production issues still remain at Marvel, they keep producing films and content that costs too much and doesn’t perform nor is it liked in majority by the target audiences as the numbers don’t lie. Also Marvel has burned the bridge horrendously with VFX companies due to their disorganized manner behind the scenes and unrealistic expectations. No, Feige is on the hook as is Iger

[@Unknown-by6mr]

Marvels decline isn’t all on Feige. Previous leadership has mandated so much out of the MCU that it has worn it dull and dry. Given more time, the MCU can get back on track, after all it was Feige that pioneered the Infinity Saga and made it the smash hit it is

[@richardhearn1579]

It amazes me how many people seem to have forgotten this. Glad you're one of the few that remembered.

[@luisquintero7359]

This is something that Ike Perlmutter would do.

[@joehenry9546]

I want better writing in movies, but getting rid of diversity isn’t a good idea.

[@dylangullberg7383]

If you get rid of diversity, you wipe out more than 80 years of Marvel storytelling precedent.

[@Raivo_K]

Exactly. As long as the story is good i doubt 95% of people what race or skin color the characters have. The problem is that the stories and scripts have been crap and now they give acting, directing and storytelling to women and blacks who have no prior experience. It's a recipe for disaster at the box office and that's exactly what has been happening. These movies dont have female or black leads because it makes sense for the story. They're there to fill a quota. The few white men who are there are portrayed either as bumbling idiots, racists, misogynists and bad guys. Or all of the above.

[@Alex_Logan22]

​​@@Raivo_K Black Panther is a billion dollar franchise cause it's good dude. And even for something bad like the Marvels, the leads made perfect sense.

[@joshcunningham3823]

We just need people in charge that are actually passionate about comics and can adapt these great stories. There are plenty of diverse characters in the source material, use them.

[@Daisymayspeaks]

This is the same guy that cast his daughter, the live action avatar movie as Katara. this is Nicola Peltz’s father. He is a terrible person honestly and so is she.

[@svenm4740]

That gives one more reason for this Bad movie

[@Dragonstar13]

And replace Feige with who exactly? Whoever takes over Feige has to be all in and have a vision of an overall story. We all know that there will be someone who takes over Feige's job one day, and hopefully by that time they have someone that can get the hype to days of the infinity saga. But I don't see Feige leaving, at least not for another 2-3 years, depending on how Fantastic four does, and the kind of direction the rest of the films go.

[@Galactic123]

@@somebody9648Perlmutter fucking sucks. He was responsible for the worst of the MCU. Agents of SHIELD's worst seasons we because of him.

[@rburke4042]

If someone comes out and says "why do we have to have an all black cast in a Marvel film" , while they're not saying I don't want an all black cast, they are basically inferring that they don't want one. The same goes for all female leads in a Marvel film. It's not hard to understand that this guy Peltz or Putz is a bigoted and misogynistic PoS. The fact that there are ppl on this chat trying to defend what Peltz said means that they are either disingenuous at best or they have the same bigoted and misogynistic views. So, no, John is not wrong with the title of this video.

[@2nd_Variable]

Peltz use his power once on a film. It turned out to be one of worst film m.night has ever made. It was so bad the fan base denies it existence.

[@davidthirugnanakumar7888]

which he also put his own daughter in it lmao

[@2nd_Variable]

@@davidthirugnanakumar7888 lol exactly

[@insertname2035]

Which marvel film had an all black cast 🤔

[@RAK_Media]

Black Panther/Wakanda Forever

[@Lifeof728]

None.

[@dominiqueblock7143]

​@@RAK_MediaNegative. You have two White males in Black Panther. The sequel had Latinos and Native Americans. There has not been an all Black Marvel movie.

[@RAK_Media]

@dominiqueblock7143 oh i know that, I'm just saying that this guy they are talking about perceives that movie to be an all black cast, showing how off base he is

[@dominiqueblock7143]

@@RAK_Media I totally agree.

[@Tambuzi729]

Nelson is the kind of guy who calls the police when a person is mowing the lawn while black 😅

[@user-nw3jl4mm6v]

And woman

[@jacoblief8263]

I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely curious: Do you think Peltz knows that Madame Web and Morbius aren't Marvel Studios productions?

[@heavycritic9554]

I would honestly be surprised if he knew that.

[@dylangullberg7383]

No. Be snarky. Peltz is rectal cancer in human form.

[@bobuhnitza]

The Fabelmans was a bust, and therefore, I question Steven Spielberg's record.

[@nickperkins8477]

Kris is correct. Nelson Peltz is a get off my lawn person. 😂

[@kriscarr4929]

When people show you who they are, believe ‘em!

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@kriscarr4929 I guess we know you're votin red! Biden must be too old!

[@kriscarr4929]

@@SirmasterBruceWang nah, he’s far less get off my lawn than Trump- who literally wants people out of “his” country. 👋🏻

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@kriscarr4929 ohhh so age only matters when you're trying to make a point, got it. Biden and Peltz are the exact same age. You don't want illegal people out of the country? You just think let's let unlimited people into the country? Is that sustainable you think for a country? Do you know how many other countries enforce their borders? All those other countries must be evil too right?

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@kriscarr4929 you should look up all the countries that enforce their borders and then tell me if you think all those countries are evil

[@caezarcachero9713]

Im sure Fiege has many faults but there are 2 things you absolutely cant question about him, one is his hat and the other is his record. And the only thing that is open for debate about him, is how to pronnounce his name. That is it.

[@stichhavoc88]

No his choices and lack of success over the last 5 years do bring his tenure into question. As phase 4 and on he was soley in charge with no oversight and we’ve seen the decline in quality, hiring the necessary experienced writers and directors and decline at the box office and viewership at marvel.

[@jadan2000]

This guy is nuts. He shouldn't be in charge of anything creative.

[@nickperkins8477]

As good as Nelson Peltz is at making money, long term, Kevin Feige is better at making money.

[@stichhavoc88]

No he’s not.

[@keyodi]

So out of 33 marvel films only 3 have female leads!?!? That’s your M-SHE-U 3 films!?!?

[@BPS3519]

Well on the film side its technically 5 female led movies, but for context there are multiple female led Disney+ shows like Echo, Ms Marvel, Wandavision, She-Hulk, and you could argue Hawkeye and Secret Invasion, which are all part of the MCU. I don't really care about the M-She-U argument but you can't ignore that those properties exist.

[@Tuntira]

​@@BPS3519correct but if you look at all the Disney + series, there is a balance 4 male vs 4 female led shows (I don't count what if as it's an ensemble show)

[@nikunjdixit1175]

@@BPS3519 Hawkeye and definitely Secret Invasion were definitely not female led Disney+ shows. By the same definition, Wandavision could be argued as a male led show.

[@Michael-le5ph]

@@BPS3519 and are all of these NOT Marvel characters with their own comic series that Disney borrowed from to make the shows and films?

[@BPS3519]

@@Michael-le5ph Elaborate on your point a little more plz. They are marvel characters. The OP post was that there were only 3 female lead properties in the MCU. I was just stating that that was factually incorrect as the Disney+ shows are a part of the MCU and there a quite a few female led shows.

[@chrismanley1701]

I think black panther 2 is also a female led movie.

[@SWACBUZZ]

Not really I think the actor who played Namor was the #1 in terms of pay scale.

[@cl4-tpgaming]

@@SWACBUZZnot true, and also not what a lead is in a movie, the lead is a character, Namors role was as the antagonist, not protagonist.

[@nightryder21]

​@@SWACBUZZDidn't realize they still made humans this dumb.

[@SWACBUZZ]

@@cl4-tpgaming In Hollywood they call the 1 the person who gets the biggest salary on the cast. In this case it was Lupita then the actress who plays Okoye then Letitia Wright then Martin Freeman. I understand what you're saying in terms of playing the main hero. When you have Namor, Everett Ross, and N'Baku playing big roles it's hard to say it was strictly a female led movie.

[@stevenhuezo]

Did John forget black panther 2 was female led?

[@Reason4HipHop]

All Black Cast is obviously Black Panther but there were are lot of other races in both Black Panther movies. He obviously hasn't seen the movie(s). lol

[@tintedredglasses2819]

He wanted the African based movie to have no black characters

[@chazzerous]

Ike Perlmutter who is Peltz’ ally didn’t want to do Black Panther

[@GradyEdwards26USA]

If he wanted to make a point Nelson should’ve gone after Star Wars. You just can’t go after Marvel like that. Don’t go me wrong the last phase of marvel has been lukewarm/ hit & miss, but it hasn’t been a disaster. I kind of think you’ll see them turn it around the next few years.

[@nickperkins8477]

“I’m not ready to say that,” because I don’t have that power yet.

[@similarrose5811]

Fieges record is producing the most successful movie franchise of all time

[@JonnySuite13]

Hmm, so he has a problem with women and black people?! Okay, I see him.

[@user-nw3jl4mm6v]

Actually Marvel made 4 women lrad movies because Black Panther lead character is Suri..so with that,rhe average per film is even higher.

[@mrsubtlemouth6838]

4....out of 33. OH MY GOD!!!!!! The horror, how dare they

[@soulofanerd9364]

This is true and that percentage is 12%.....is that something to take issue with?

[@user-nw3jl4mm6v]

Black Widow made 379,7 Captain Marvel 1,12 bill The Marvels 206,1 mill Black Panther 2 made 859,2 miĺl,so per movie they earn 643,3 mill,which mean that female lead movie is very proffitable.

[@jacquecortez5014]

Investors only want results. They don't care about the past.

[@grandpallama]

I think there are FOUR female-led Marvel films, considering Wakanda Forever, but yes, ridiculous.

[@BenJonesart]

5 when you include eternals

[@mariastevenson9227]

Isn't this the same guy who replaced all the native american waterbenders in live action avatar with white actors because he want ed his daughter to play katara?

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

nope, that didn't happen you are mistaken

[@jkyle1018]

​@@SirmasterBruceWangHis daughter did play Katara.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@jkyle1018 so one single actor = "all the native american waterbenders" ??

[@jkyle1018]

@SirmasterBruceWang The guy hates minority led movies, even billion dollar earners. If he produced Avatar and race swapping happened, it should at least raise an eyebrow.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@jkyle1018 Peltz literally isn't even a producer on the movie, Shamaylan is the guy you're thinking of. The fake news is absolutely unreal from you bots

[@armoredsaiyan]

Idk why but I found Jonathan outbursts kinda annoying this time

[@panthersquad1301]

Peltz: "Why can't he be WHITE Adam?"

[@tophercabba]

hmmm last i checked the marvels was all women .

[@cbeattie778]

Samuel L Jackson was in it , so not all female lead

[@JamesJacksonFilmz]

@@cbeattie778 How dare you make assumptions of Samuel L Jackson's gender!

[@denM-ey3vb]

What about Ms Marvels father and brother?

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@cbeattie778 and he was horribly ruined

[@soulofanerd9364]

Let me try this: ALL FEMALE and female lead are not the same thing. Dude said all females and all Black, those don't exist. He sounds stupid. Even if he said Black lead or female lead WHY would he have an issue with those to be questioning them? Seems like either statement is either factually wrong or just plain goofy and ignorant

[@leshamonbilton6526]

That dude is not good. They should try to push him out

[@DukeSlystalker]

A couple of opposing forces: 1) Back when basically all movies and TV centered around white males, whites were the majority of the audience. Now that many films and TV shows are moving away from white males, whites are still the majority of the audience. That's bound to hit differently LOL. 2) Back when basically all movies abd TV shows centered around white males, basically all working actors were white males. Nowadays, we've got lots and lots of non-white or female actors looking for work. The proportions are a bit different now.

[@chazzerous]

This is not super accurate though, in the key demo adults 18-49 whites are not in the majority (difference is within the margin of error), and when it comes to who is actually buying things or consuming media the key demo is king.

[@xman48205]

11:57 Wakanda Forever is also a woman led film that should be on that list.

[@ojar91]

that movie is terrible, They should have recasted tchalla. The character should not die just because cadwick boseman died, that was an emotional decision not logical.

[@SirmasterBruceWang]

@@ojar91 extreme leftist logic is to make decisions based on emotion rather than logic or facts

[@xman48205]

@ojar91 $859.2 million for an illogical decision is pretty good to me. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ojar91]

@@xman48205 that made 200 million dollar less that the first one, that’s a decline.

[@ROSPoetry1]

If Pearlmutter was in charge we would not have gotten Black Panther.

[@tonyOn1ce]

Gotta agree with you there.

[@richardhearn1579]

We would not have gotten a lot of things with Perlmutter in charge and we would have lost Feige a long time ago. I don't think the MCU would have remained as successful as it has been under Perlmutter's rule.

[@svenm4740]

Not just that.

[@louranzofletcherprods]

Peltz: where’s WHITE panther

[@pkthe2ndhokage188]

Isn’t Black Panther 2 a female led movie too?

[@panthersquad1301]

"Nipple pimple."

[@bigjsquare1988]

Technically there are 4 female led Marvel films. Eternals technically counts. That being said, this conversation was just great. The numbers don't lie. Edit: 5 films. Another comment below mentioned Wakanda Forever.

[@jamiepeterson1981]

There's a difference between movies having a message and movies being used for messaging. Are we really going to look at who they chose for the next Star Wars movie - an activist and journalist who has NEVER made a cinematic movie, whose only relevant experience is making documentaries and making the two worst rated episodes of She Hulk, and say she was chosen because she's the best person to helm a blockbuster movie and deliver big numbers? I mean, really? If I was a Disney investor I'd be pissed off too at what's happening.

[@EchanteDante]

I think you have a great point there. I think that the guy they were talking about had quite an extreme opinion. However I do think that Disney/Marvel should be aware that they may have over corrected just a bit trying to be more inclusive as they should. Also I think that even though the white male characters being replaced or on their way is a minor issue. I think the bigger issue is making smarter choices for directors and really making sure that scripts are well written. Writing and directing I think are the main reason we have had so many mid to straight up bad MCU movies and shows lately.

[@spicymemes7458]

Activist for what policies exactly? Be specific.

[@deewolf1903]

Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy directed (not wrote) two episodes of Disney+'s Ms. Marvel, not She-Hulk, which stars a 16-year-old Pakistani-American character. The two episodes she directed, episode 4 "Seeing Red" and episode 5 "Time and Again", happen to be the ones where the character goes to Pakistan and is transported back in time to the partition of India. Again.. Obaid-Chinoy was just the director of these two episodes. She didn't write them and she didn't create the story. Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy has two Oscars and seven Emmys, and was one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people, thanks in part to her documentaries around Pakistan. So, it makes sense why the showrunners hired her to direct those two episodes. They wanted to bring a level of authenticity to the story they were telling, considering Obaid-Chinoy's proven track record. As for the Star Wars Rey movie, again, Obaid-Chinoy was hired to direct the film. She's not writing it. She's not creating the story. The script was written by Steven Knight based on a draft by Damon Lindelof and Justin Britt-Gibson. You seem to have a child's understanding of how film works. Which makes sense, considering you have a child's mentality about women and other scary ideas like equality.

[@jamiepeterson1981]

@spicymemes7458 what does it matter? Shouldn't directors be chosen on their experience and merit instead of their politics?

[@MrGooner9000]

​@@jamiepeterson19812 oscars and 7 Emmys?

[@seang3698]

Honestly, no need for this dude on any board yet alone Disney. With quotes like that, they should just vote no and move it along. What a schmuck.

[@7986bigd]

As a shareholder, I voted the other day to vote against Peltz. After hearing this, I stand by my decision

[@ludwigvanbeethoven169]

I am as well. How many shares do you hold.

[@lancema4634]

LOL, if Disney fire Kevin Feige this minute, all the studios will line up at Feige's door to hire him. How short-sighted, and this dude is a money invest guy??? really???

[@stichhavoc88]

Idk if they’d be lined up to hire him. Peltz is questioning Feige’s current track record and it’s not good as Marvel for the last 5 years has been on a decline and very noticeably at that.

[@munny_1206]

“I question his record” is crazy! Peltz is the type of guy to say “I’m not racist, I have a black driver". It’s bad enough this dude spent the better part of a century ruining the world but now he wants to ruin my entertainment.

[@FernandoAR760]

If Bob and Kevin lose power, I'm boycotting disney and Marvel

[@stichhavoc88]

Ummm dude you think things are any good right now? Cause they aren’t

[@king_julian327]

​@@stichhavoc88Literally at their lowest point. And all some of the peeps wanna blame is Chapek 😂

[@saturdaymorningfan3123]

Disneys lowest point? Heck no. That's 70s to early 80s were no one over 12 was caught dead at a disney live action movie and disney almost died and was almost sold and sold off in pieces! Everyone forgets how bad disney was in pre roger rabbit and mermaid. Black cauldron lost to the care bears movie. This is nowhere near worst they have been by a longshot. Disney has had billion movies like avatar 2 and $800m movies something 70s disney would have killed for!

[@SpontaneousAndStructured]

Narratives have themes. They teach this in elementary school. Early elementary school.

[@bradleytattoo331]

"Math is math"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@terryshrk]

Peltz, MAYBE , has confused movies from the Sony "Spiderverse" with the mainline MCU ??? He didnt mention "Madam Web" in his ignorant statements,, HOWEVER, if you include those two most recent big, high profile Sony flops, Madam Web and Morbius into the overall MCU vs DC comparison-dynamic. You can kind of explain this super annoying and persistent online "MCU is Dead" clickbait narrative that angry trolls and racist dip*&^T whom apparently missed the entire point of the X-MEN keep repeating like it a mantra,.LoL! You CAN possibly argue that Sony's missteps have damaged the overall brand. What you cant argue or defend is how so-called "comic book "fans whom supposedly aways want stuff to follow the holy "source material' to an exact T. Missed the fact that Stan Lee was using Martin Luther King Jr and Malcom X as inspiration for Charles X and Magneto,..

[@lordrayden3045]

Glad to see common sense and civility is so prevalent in the comments here

[@therealeverton]

It's even better (worse) than you say. Black Widow was a Pandemic film, and its gross kind of could/should include the SPVOD. So it's higher and both affected its gross as listed.

[@ThreeBeingOne]

The types of things you say when you hop from insulated bubble to insulated bubble.

[@djwilliams1749]

Continued prosperity and success to Mr. Feige...

[@lodin41cw]

I bet Mr. Peltz wants Bob Chapek back

[@carlthomas5307]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@chazzerous]

Not likely. Remember Chapek had a very public row with Ron DeSantis that he absolutely did not need to have in public

[@griffongamer4779]

Grandpa Peltz needs to take his decent human being pills 😆😆😆😆

[@ACsPianoCorner]

Fantastic breakdown. We all just got inducted into the Campea school of movies and I love it…😂.

[@MISCHIVUS]

Nerdrotic fans, please abstain from providing a bigoted opinion.

[@worlddd7777]

Has logic and common sense become bigoted?

[@MISCHIVUS]

@@worlddd7777 What common sense? That Marvel shouldn't have female or black leads?

[@beanburritozz3044]

@@MISCHIVUS It's fine if the lead is female or black as long as it's not for a political reason, which we know that it is every time

[@MISCHIVUS]

@@beanburritozz3044 What is the political reason or gain?

[@VK-ds2dw]

Considering how piss poor the quality has become, criticism is justified and not bigoted.

[@caseysmith3329]

Great discussion.

[@MrRob1317]

Hopefully, people listen to this and not continue to be naive that the individuals that make things happen, think like this. If it weren't certain protection Black people fought for, we would still be slaves. Reparations are owed for this very reason, his view points are shared by his peers as well. He just made his public

[@heavycritic9554]

Anyone who doesn't want Marvel movies to be diverse, hasn't been paying attention to what Marvel Comics has been doing for the last, say, 60 years. One of their most popular and longest-running IP:s is about a group of outcasts who constantly have to fight bigotry! Shit-stains like Peltz are essentially the people with signs protesting against mutants in an X-Men comic.

[@rockhandrecords1342]

Not only that, but the two people who built marvel comics were intent on inclusivity.

[@robalberto1583]

The principle Skinner meme in executive form. “It’s the children who are out of touch.”

[@rnbnart]

He should be stripped of his shares and kicked off the board.

[@madderthanever]

Those comments will ensure that Iger keeps control of Disney. For Disney stockholders, anyone claiming that the _Black Panther_ movies was not a good idea is someone you will NOT support during a proxy fight. And it's not even about representation - freakin' series grossed over $2 billion in two movies. Badmouthing investments that gave great returns is a sign of a investor being completely out of his depth. Iger probably needs to be replaced... but Peltz is definitely not the right guy for that job.

[@ConnerKent08]

Feige will get snatched by another studio in no time at all if he gets let go

[@bludolphin143]

I’m disappointed there aren’t more nipple pimple comments.