A New Way of Seeing w/ Mark Vernon - Voices with Vervaeke

[@MrHwaynefair]

Dr. Vervaeke - Love, love, love it when you two are in dialogue! Please do it again and often... Re - Di Fuccia and Barfield: (at 29:30) a fascinating resonance in "between and beyond" and Przywara's "in-and-beyond" (the analogia entis). See Di Fuccia's conclusions regarding Barfield and "Poetic Theology". Perhaps THE most provocative statement in Di Fuccia's book (when I try and summarize Barfield's project): "Barfield declares that all he wrote on language was an attempt to discover the relationship between human language and John’s [Gospel] prologue. " (p. 199) Thank you again for all you do!

[@CrystallineWyvern]

Amazing discussion all around; near the end you guys were on fire with dialogos, overflowinh with quotes worthy of framing. Some of the highlights for me: 3 Monos of our cultural-cognitive grammar: 1. Monolithic - only propositional 2. Monophasic - only one state of consciousness that gives you access to reality 3. Monologic - only one mind, exemplified by Aristotle's treatise, just in your head alone Plato flouts all 3 Imagination can train peeception; like lierally visual perception since it works with the same brain areas. So there's no strict perception / imagination dualism or mind / body Its not incidental that Archimedes leaps up and runs down the street when he has his Eureka moment Mark: it takes a long time to know yourself marginally better. But afterward one's anxiety has more space to be held. This is the power of always opening The ascents and descents in Dante, Plotinus, ect. are part of the fundamental structure of reality, not only within tim for individuals The One is beyond Being (Plotinus; later Christians have forgotten this. A return to the One is needed. The East and Sunyata can help the West here) Simplicity is a near final stage in Plotinus' anagoge; where all the parts are coherent within the whole, rather than any breaking down into a simpler piece It's not homogeneity or singularity "Eternity is in love with the productions of time." - Mark Freedom is a yoke because you've yoked yourself to the place that's truly free - Mark I want my thoughts to be as determined as possible by what's true, my actions by what's good, and my sensibilities by what's beautiful. - John That's the overflow, the almost can't help itself kind of freedom - Mark - Sounds like Sophyrsyne

[@thevulgarhegelian4676]

Love to hear you two jamming

[@MrHwaynefair]

Dr. Vervaeke - I just had to share this with you - because it so makes me think of what characterizes many of your dialogues... Context: Mercury(Hermes) descends upon St. Anne's: "Mother Dimble always remembered Denniston and her husband as they had stood, one on each side of the fireplace, in a gay intellectual duel, each capping the other, each rising above the other, up and up, like birds or aeroplanes in combat. If only one could have remembered what they said! *For never in her life had she heard such talk-such eloquence, such melody (song could have added nothing to it), such toppling structures of double meaning, such skyrockets of metaphor and allusion."* Lewis, C. S.. That Hideous Strength: (Space Trilogy, Book Three) (The Space Trilogy 3) (p. 318). Harper Collins. Kindle Edition. I am no one you should pay attention to - but after following you for some time and gaining SO much from your shared wisdom, please consider reading the 7th chapter of "Planet Narnia" by Michael Ward. *There is something going on there that I deeply believe will be of great interest to you* ..... e.g. the relationship between Hermes, the twins - and "The Divine Double", etc. - All "enigmatically "hidden" inside a mere "children's book", The Horse and His Boy....

[@festivalonearth]

Also from Rilke (Letters To A Young Poet) re: the “meaning crisis” and what can arise when we don’t reject or distract from our sadnesses: Almost all our sadnesses are moments of tension that we find paralyzing because we no longer hear our surprised feelings living. Because we are alone with the alien thing that has entered into our self; because everything intimate and accustomed is for an instant taken away; because we stand in the middle of a transition where we cannot remain standing. For this reason the sadness too passes: the new thing in us, the added thing, has entered into our heart, has gone into its inmost chamber and is not even there any more, - is already in our blood. And we do not learn what it was. We could easily be made to believe that nothing has happened, and yet we have changed, as a house changes into which a guest has entered. We cannot say who has come, perhaps we shall never know, but many signs indicate that the future enters into us in this way in order to transform itself in us long before it happens.

[@leedufour]

Thanks Mark and John.

[@lizellevanwyk5927]

When what you’ve been searching for for roughly 2 years has been there all along…😅Mark Vernon most clearly another essential teacher at any neoplatonic monastery.

[@bradrandel1408]

So good thank you both🦋🕊

[@festivalonearth]

I wanted to share this from the poet Rilke: That mankind has been cowardly has done life endless harm: the experiences that are called “visions,” the whole so-called “spirit world,” death, all those things that are so closely akin to us, have by daily parrying been so crowded out of life that the senses with which we could have grasped them are atrophied. - Rainer Maria Rilke, Letters To A Young Poet

[@matfar100]

Really enjoyed this conversation. I loved the way you each stimulated ideas in the other. “Blake could see much more through his acceptance of his imaginary capacity”. Should the word “imaginal” be substituted there? It’s interesting that when a full moon is seen just over the horizon the strikingly large appearance is described by “science” (read Wikipedia) as an optical illusion instead of as a profound perception of reality.

[@MattFRox]

We need to stop letting science “have the final word” when it comes to describing reality. Theirs is just a story also.

[@carlt570]

51:45 'Kenotic moment' - Ego death

[@rmschindler144]

of this someone who’s “tracing the connections between Göethe, Barfield, & Steiner” - now wouldn’t that be an interesting read!

[@carlt570]

Ancient Athens and 'putting up extraordinary buildings with no financial return' . I would simply suggest we worship different gods now - with the emphasis on 'financial'