Joker 2 Review - A Spiteful, Destruction of Fandom

Joker: Folie à Deux or Joker 2 critics reviews were not keen on The Joker sequel by Todd Philips. DC comics wanted a Joke sequel set in the Batman, Gotham universe with other DCU Villains yet what they got is Folie à Deux. This is a movie about Arthur Flek, not the joker. Harley Quinn exists to try and resurrect the Joker and lead Arthur Flek around rather than be ruled by him in this musical. But in a movie seemingly designed to undermine the fans of the first Joker movie. Is Joker: Folie à Deux worth watching?
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[@disparutoo]

Joker: Folie à Deux or Joker 2 review of the sequel no-one wanted. Seemingly specifically designed to destroy the character you were never supposed to like in the first place, This movie destroys the joker as a character, put's Harley Quinn in the position of power and agency between the 2 of them. And sends the message to never fight back against people who wrong you, or you will be destroyed. It's a horrific movie, with a terrible message, and everyone would be better off not watching it. But what did you think of the Joker and Joker 2? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)

[@canaldecasta]

Btw the guy that sanks him is not the same person that was with him around the prison. We see him like in two frames before.

[@M-S_4321]

If he was Joker then lady G would have taken a bullet to the head just like Murray and for the same poser reasons, because 'you get what you F'n deserve!' I won't be giving dollars to Hwood because monkeys with typewriters sometimes accidentally make a masterpiece

[@Tubeflux]

Hello, I must disagree. I really adored the first one. Even if it didn’t actually portray the joker comic fans are used to it. But it’s an interesting interpretation of a potential joker people. And the second one isn’t as good as the first, but it shows us, the human being behind the mask of the Joker. And it takes one possible direction, probably not the one most of us expected. But it’s one possible way and this joker is the inspiration for all the other jokers, since the joker as character is the personified , evil. So. As in the comics, different people are going to interpret the Joker. This fact is already visible in the first film and of course the second two. Excellent Job done by the actors. Especially Joaquin Phoenix. Go see both movies. The second one with its singing parts, which of course, represent fantasies of the protagonist, are not too long. So, enjoy the movie. The first one is a definite 10 at least a 9. the second one is likable , enjoyable, maybe seven maybe eight out of 10.

[@M-S_4321]

​@@TubefluxNope, not going to bother giving money for garbage like a j2 good boy.

[@RillUK]

There is some weird undertone of spite in these films, which clearly wasn't portrayed as the director wanted in the first film. I'm not sure if it's at the audience, or if he resented making superhero movies.

[@bloodrunsclear]

I can't wait for Barbie 2 to deconstruct Barbie and her fans! ... That's happening, right?

[@planescaped]

Turns out everything is just how she mentally perceives herself, but to everyone else she is a hateful, spiteful, vindictive and manipulative, narcissistic monster. Make that movie! I am sure there's... 6 or so people who want to see it!

[@xdomeman]

I wish...

[@DisFantasy]

The Barbie movie partly did well because some thought it was accidentally based, highlighting how much better things are after the Kens take over Barbieland. In a hypothetical sequel, rest assured, the people who thought that will be mocked and vilified.

[@liquidsnake6879]

They'd need to undo the victimhood of Ken and the oppression from the Barbies i think that was a major self-own for feminists how even women were only really talking about Ken

[@dragonknightleader1]

Arguably Barbie 1 deconstructed Barbie. Leave Barbie-world for the gynecologist, whom will most likely split Barbie open during examination.

[@onionhat745]

It's funny that the writers felt the need to apologize for the nonexistent violence the first one caused.

[@SamtheBravesFan]

They probably hyped it up so much that it made them think it happened

[@wereback3771]

When is CNN gonna apologize for the BLM riots?

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

But remember, words are violence. And how many words did we all see and hear after that movie came out? I remember words left, right and centre. You couldn’t move for all the words

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@SamtheBravesFanOr, like that old man in Pet Sematary. He pretty much put the idea in the parents’ heads

[@Aivottaja]

How was the story of Arthur even connected to 1nceIs in any way, I wonder. There is barely anything about Fleck being a miserable person because he's not getting any wet vice grip. He's miserable because he's a mentally iII loner who was @bus€d by his mentaIIy ill mother. Sure there was that imagined romance. But it doesn't connect to why Arthur's life was in a downward spiral. It was so because he was abandoned by society as a whole. Nothing in the movie was saying being Arthur was something you should aspire to be. Nothing glorified his choices.

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

Hope the money to direct it was worth it, because the loss of reputation is gonna cost a lot more.

[@qty1315]

Nah. He did this before with The Hangover 2.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

I have to disagree with you, here. He’s mended his reputation with the people he actually cares about, who are his Hollywood peers. He had to distance himself from that first movie, and he’s done exactly that

[@sandman_says_runrunner4701]

@@qty1315 ... and "The Hangover 3".

[@charlessaints]

he's still gonna get work he's pleasing the people that pay him

[@clos3078]

Didn’t he get 30 mill for this movie. He will live with playing the studios and as for the fans. If you were a fan of the first and had half a brain then you would have known better than to expect a good sequel. Only normies and the studios lost money. I may check it out on stream.

[@dlewis9760]

People had empathy for the character. Not sympathy. He's still responsible for everything he did. But people understood how he got to that point. He was effed up from the beginning and the system didn't do a heck of a lot to get him in a better place. Social services is an industry. Drugs to keep him docile and semi-sane is an industry.

[@IamNinjaOfNinja]

and the sequel end up giving him a terrible closure.

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

You aren't allowed to empathize, let alone sympathize with white men.

[@jackd6881]

Not true alot of incels and future School Shooters saw this film as a validation of their world view and sympathize with Arthur. I mean goes out of its way the movie paints Arthur a stalking, murderous insane person in a sympathetic light which made me hate it. I also hate the fact that Mental health services are shown to be lacking without any context to why. In NY the city the movie was obviously based on in the 1980's Regan cut funding for mental health and rehab programs to THE BONE in the beginning of the cocaine crack epidemic leading to a metoric rise of homelessness, addicts and insane people being let out on the streets, I grew up here and saw it. The movie doesnt touch on any of that just points its finger at the generic "society" to blame and not bad state actors. It a movie that is both spineless and pandering at the same time, Both of these movies are trash.

[@adorp]

Empathy? Sympathy? What about psychopathy? They straight up worshipped him... based on the cheers I heard in the theatres. Women faint at the sight of Leto's Joker, men faint at the sight of Phoenix's.

[@BRR42922]

@@jackd6881 You mean the trans school shooters!?

[@UncensoredScion]

0:17 that's the funny part about this for me They've unintentionally told the world what they think of us, and it's one of disgust and abject revilement, turning a character that the director originally said was meant to be an examination of how the system abandons people, into a man who bleeds out at the end is a perfect example of what they think.

[@beefywellington3571]

It was very intentional. That's why they literally have him raped, dumped and stabbed lol

[@cttommy73]

It's hilarious because like Disparu said, "The Message" can only go one way. So when confronted with the ideas that someone from a group they dislike, men and more specifically, white men, can suffer and be subjected to horrors and the unfairness of the system, they decided to create a movie which shows that, but showing that THEY, the system, will crush you if YOU, not from a group they like, try to stand up for yourself against the machine, they will destroy you and leave you with nothing. Leave you a paste on the wall that is the machine. Absolutely disgusting.

[@megaflix6043]

^ 110% this.

[@sird2333]

Their time will come

[@planescaped]

A movie about how fighting back against the system and injustice is bad and you should feel bad for doing it. Uhh.... okay...

[@elitronprime7322]

Joker 2 is what we feared about what the first film might’ve been: A Batman spinoff film set in the world of Batman without Batman

[@IncredibleMet]

About a recurring character that actually wasn’t that recurring character.

[@OtterloopB]

I don't even put it in the entire Batman lexicon.

[@canaldecasta]

Taking all agency away from Arthur is the biggest slap this movie does. He was finally free and happy in a twisted way. For once he could be himself without any restrains. But nah, let's strip it all away. Joker is 👏an idea. He is just poor little Arthur.

[@pvt_pts3314]

The moment it was mentioned this was going to be a musical featuring GaGa, I was out.

[@GVigil2550]

Smart move. Its seemed it was only a musical because she’s a “singer”.

[@karanaman68]

Likewise. Can't stand Gaga or her 'music'

[@dsandoval9396]

​@@karanaman68 Same. Can't stand her music and much less her as a person.

[@basedelon]

Casting Lady Gaga was the first red flag.

[@jonathansoko1085]

Actually she's the least bad thing here. She's the only kind of accurate Harley we have gotten

[@connoromalley4004]

Joker Goes Gaga

[@voidwalker7774]

Lady Gaga, looks like a dude.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

The title 'Folie à Deux' was a red flag as well.

[@joshuapratt3593]

Yeah, that dude is insanely overrated! Just look at how much auto tune it takes for each song? Now he wants to “act”!?

[@nyanchat2657]

I find it interesting that The Elites(TM) keep yapping about societal problems and justice, but when an actual portrayal of struggle resonates with audiences, they immediately turn around and call it problematic. Why? Where did all that talk of 'seeing yourself in media' go? Because I, neither white nor male, saw myself in a lot of what Arthur went through (not what he did, for obvious reasons). A lot of us did, and that's why the movie got so much acclaim and made so much money. After years of plastic, sanitized nonsense, to see something so raw caused genuine conversation... which is exactly what these people don't want. They felt intimidated. They felt attacked, because they're shown as the actual villain (because they ARE the villain), and no, I'm not necessarily talking about the wokies or whatever, but the plastic, sanitized elite at the top, roleplaying as human, yet failing again and again. This is a direct response to us who actually saw ourselves: we're getting told to shut up, accept what we're given, and never question them again. Or else. Joker is one of my favorite movies of all time, and my experience when watching it at cinemas is unmatched. It's art, and as such, it shows a truth that makes oppressors uncomfortable. I'll do what I always do with spiteful sequels: ignore them. There is no Joker 2. Or, well, I'll celebrate when it flops and THEN ignore it. It gets what it deserves.

[@JamesVideoCollection]

Very well said 👏 And yes, Joker has no sequel.

[@fabriziopedani5315]

The fun thing is that usually hollywood could make good movies and bad movies. You shaunt the bad movies and watch the good ones and become a fan even for years. Now the message is "doesn't matter if the movie we put out is good. We'll ruin it later with prequels and sequel, so don't bother getting invested'.

[@PakoVero]

It's not just that they make bad sequels. For example, Halloween and Friday the 13th have bad sequels, but they remain faithful to the spirit and characters, and the first chapters remain cult classics. The problem with modern Hollywood is that they want to deconstruct and change everything told in previous films. Thus, Luke Skywalker is no longer the true chosen one, John Connor is no longer the leader of the resistance, Rocky is a pathetic loser and Joker is not the real Joker, and so on...

[@mikeborrelli193]

Serves you right for getting yourself "invested" in Jewry.

[@sird2333]

Just stick with the one that’s good and fck the rest.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Post Modernism & Cultural Marxism has been awful for entertainment. Read books. Solzhenitsyn, perhaps?

[@planescaped]

Or you could just ignore the existence of the sequel. It's pretty easy to all things considered. Case in point, I have never seen any of the new Star Wars movies and know nothing about them even to this day, and it is lovely. I know Luke Skywalker drinks green milk... uh, there's a... uh... I think Palpatine is in it somehow?

[@miirico5398]

What a way to go and to waste that golden opportunity they were given.

[@ArthurHillson-cu2]

If only you knew the half of it.

[@nont18411]

When you realized that Jared Leto’s Joker is more respectful to this character than Todd Phillips version.

[@thrrax]

If you take away the DC elements, the movies are a terrible "Taxi Driver" fan fiction. I suspect that's why the writer/director wanted De Niro in the first one.

[@royalreign143]

@@thrrax could not have said it better!

[@yamamoto800]

That is faint praise

[@Adventist1997]

​@@thrrax I highly disliked the first movie and never understood the hype.

[@don.keebles]

Batman whispers into Joker's ear: "I prefer Jared Leto."

[@phoenixstrong]

dude gets gang raped in prison.... then murdered. WTF

[@x29863]

after hearing this im not even going to the cinema bru

[@alexman378]

I was honestly trying to make myself think I imagined that bit with the guards, but I keep seeing people thinking the same…

[@theelder4797]

That's the end of this movie?

[@TheHauntedWafflehouse]

NO F'n WAY!!!!!!!

[@jonahlynx94]

And the message of the movie must be that rape is good because it stopped him from wanting to be Joker anymore.

[@MaztRPwn]

It’s always funny to remember how everyone who is an idiot was afraid Joker would cause riots, yet the same people were supporting the actual rioting that happened up… until it came close to their own massive houses.

[@robonator2945]

The funniest thing to me, is that the movie they hate, the first Joker movie, is the one that had a sympathetic villain, with a morally nuanced/relative perspective, and deconstructed the main character. It literally did all of the things that they claim to be doing, and was actually good, because it did them competently. Yet they hate it, because it did them competently. The great irony in this is that the Joker was never even meant to be a sympathetic character to begin with. His entire schtick was chaos for chaos' sake, even with multiple iterations of the Joker openly mocking the idea of having a consistent backstory to begin with because it's so utterly irrelevant for his character. Yet the first movie managed to still explore that backstory (or at least a possible backstory, since of course characters will have countless different implementations and versions) in a way that actually worked with it quite well. In fact, while there has been a lot of debate over how Fleck's Joker would really work with Batman given he's middle aged when Bruce would still be a child (ergo by the time Bruce becomes the Batman Fleck would likely be in his 60s+) Fleck's Joker would actually parallel Batman quite well. Both Fleck and Bruce were beaten down by traumatic events and functionally 'broke', leaving behind everything they were to become a new identity in complete response to the events that caused them. While Bruce decided to try to stop the crime throughout the city through fear, Fleck decided to try to tear down the entire system by inspiring a vague hope of something better afterwards. It's honestly an incredibly good mirror of Batman's character, that still somehow manages to be very definitively "The Joker". (Fleck himself isn't necessarily *_trying_* to be inspirational, but it's the role he's filling) So they hate the movie that successfully did everything they claim to, and not only did it succeed wildly in deconstructing and reimagining the source material, it did so while still perfectly fitting with the character and story it was immitating. (arguably even solving problems that the originals never did/could. I mean, why would anyone work for the Joker? Well, Gotham is so fucked up and corrupt that is it really all that surprising that an Arthur Fleck-like Joker would spur a disorganized yet loyal-to-the-death movement of people perfectly willing to go along with whatever insane plans he comes up with?)

[@realdealio1]

It's almost like Government had a hand in this script.

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Hollywood is an arm of the D33p St@te - Crime - Government complex.

[@theelder4797]

They've been involved since the beginning. It's quite an open fact, you probably know, but most have no idea - mainly the sea 👁️ A.

[@ArthurHillson-cu2]

@@theelder4797 I know all about the very very very beginning about that script. And not the one leaked online in 2018.

[@msmith323]

​@@ArthurHillson-cu2 Pray tell

[@ArthurHillson-cu2]

@@msmith323 Nobody wants to know the truth

[@MrSolobear333]

No need for a sequel

[@nont18411]

This somehow makes me dreaded for Squid Game, which also doesn’t need a sequel.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

A sequel doesn't need to exist,it just needs to be good and not ruin the original.

[@g.r.bilyeu4226]

No need for the first one.

[@g.r.bilyeu4226]

​@naamadossantossilva4736 the original, in this case, ruined itself.

[@seahawkman50]

@@g.r.bilyeu4226wrong

[@aulvinduergard9952]

These people don't even know how an insanity defense like this works. The sanity of Arthur would've been adjudicated *before* the trial ever happened. As in, if he was found to have been insane, there wouldn't have been a trial, because he -- by definition -- wouldn't be sane enough to stand trial, and he just would've been shoved into a mental institution.

[@mecham5818]

Todd Philips trying to huff his own farts about "cinema" is hilarious. The guy who brought the world The Hangover Part 3 and Road Trip.

[@BinkyTheElf1]

I think you need a Film Auteur’s lofty sneer for the word “CineMah”.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

From the beginning it was clear to me they just wanted to have A star is born 2.

[@theghostofmaximumvolume3414]

Joker 2: Full of doo-doo.

[@MaverickHunterXZA]

The bizarre thing about all this is, that "The Joker", as a character archetype, works perfectly well outside of any comicbook context already. The person completely divorced from society, morals and laws, who only exists to test the self righteousness of said system against utter chaos. You don't need any DC comics connections for that to already be a perfect backdrop for a character centric story.

[@corvinvonamber8802]

I hate Hollywood, period. Lately i discovered that John Wick goes Girlboss...what the f is wrong with the DEI sxum?

[@Ancientreapers]

They come for everything in the end.

[@narem1092]

Why are you acting like Girlbossism is new? Alien? Terminator? Kill BIll? Wanted? G I jane?

[@sird2333]

Girl boss in movies. Cause they always f it up in real life

[@Howardax]

​@@narem1092the difference is, the women in the first two movies you mentioned were cool, actually well written with defined flaws and strengths, and not a patronising "they can do no wrong" approach to writing characters who are female.

[@dlewis9760]

@@narem1092 I had to look up clips of Wanted. I know I saw it, but I can't remember a single thing about it. Howardax covers the 1st 2 movies. Kill Bill is in a strange category. Everything was stylized over the top bad ass because that's what the director is known for. The guys weren't believable either. I'd say G I Jane is the only true Girl Boss movie. Because magically she is capable of anything.

[@Agent-mb1xx]

Fuck, I just walked out of Wal-Mart 10 minutes ago with a 4K bluray of the 2019 Joker movie. Saddens me

[@NephritduGrey]

Just do it like with Indiana Jones or star Wars, there have been only three movies for those and only one Joker film.

[@vwlssnvwls3262]

Todd Philips must be the type of person who would criticize a five year old kids art, even if it were his own child.

[@Disinterested1]

wonder how the investors feel after the director telling the audience the movie to f off genius! watch the cash roll in!

[@jyphelballet7569]

Joker has never had a double personality and dont wear clown make up. He was a total psycho, for the sake of destruction. His only goal.

[@piotrd7355]

There are so many versions of the Joker character in the DC canon that it is impossible to determine his character or goals. From the clown from the Silver Age, to the “new ordinary man” from A House on Serious Earth, and much, much more.

[@O_Filmach]

Spoiler if you haven't seen the movie- You described exactly this psycho dude at the end of Joker 2, who apparently os the real one? But for me Arthur Fleck persona as the Joker was more interesting.

[@pfath77]

This really is the worst kind of movie. Not only is it long and boring, it actually ruins the far superior 1st movie. And of course they cucked him. It’s 2024. Harley will never be portrayed as originally written ever again.

[@ryukishi8492]

Why did they think we want a courtroom drama? What a boring setting for an entire movie like this. Then the ending... Terrible movie

[@AsheramK]

See, that's the issue. Nothing in this movie was made for the audience.

[@AnneHathawayRules]

When the only good thing that literally anyone can say about your movie is the CINEMATOGRAPHY, you've made a terrible movie.

[@NoPantsBaby]

Courtroom was a great setting actually. Had they actually tried and created some form of a case. The point of court rooms in movies is NOT to hold a trial, which is all they did in this movie, but to use it to DEBATE the central THEMES of the movie! Amistad is not about whether slaves are cargo and thus insurable. The trial is the framework from which we hang the banner "Slavery Bad!". Look at the scene with Gary. That legit was a strong counter to Joker's righteous anger. "You didn't hurt me? I have nightmares! I can't sleep. I'm afraid all the time!" Arthur didn't kill Gary... but he did hurt him. Even after saying he wouldn't. This is where a good movie would have a moment of introspection for the main character. But they don't. They have him beaten up in the shower by representatives of the same system that caused him to break and lash out in the first place. Gary should have been Arthur's trigger to stop the theatrics and deal with the situation seriously. Joker, of which I am now convinced entirely by accident, made the brash statement in a swamp of safe slop movies that you can only kick the bottom rung of society so much until it breaks and the whole ladder falls apart. It said way more than it ever intended to say as evidenced by it's director being so ass mad he killed his golden goose. Joker 2 says that if you ever lash out at the system and make a name for yourself you'll be beaten back in line and someone will gut you and steal your identity. And in that it says even less than nothing.

[@DisFantasy]

Because the courts give them the illusion of legitimacy and power.

[@johnnycage112]

What revenge? They're the ones who burned money.

[@patientmental875]

They dont care about the money thats how smug they are

[@NephritduGrey]

Some Hollyweird guys just want to see the world burn after all.

[@johnnycage112]

@@NephritduGrey the world AND their money!

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

The real Joker: “It’s not about money, it’s about sending a message.”

[@erraticuk]

$200 million budget, nearly twice that of star studded Megalopolis.

[@Zanzoltan]

I can only say, I'm so glad I didn't followed my friends when they said "Let's go see it the day of the release". I will never watch this movie. Hail Disparu! :D

[@nao5233]

This movie should have been called Lady Gaga and clown guy

[@JoeMckenzie-z6k]

Lady gaga and a clown backing dancer guy.

[@matane2465]

Wasn't it Zack Snyder who said he wanted to see Batman get graped in prison. So Todd Phillips just took that idea except it's Arthur instead of Batman.

[@kathyflorcruz552]

Same demonic of Hollywood have said the same about Donald Trump & his family.

[@iflarnted]

Warner Brothers: Joker made over a billion. Let's make a sequel and lose whatever it cost to make it.

[@Mark_Knight]

Agenda over money Communism

[@miirico5398]

Quite a disappointing movie also quite disappointed how they find this lightning on a bottle and they wasted it away.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

And it was WB,which is in dire straits.This may be their death kneel.

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

*in

[@derkernspalter]

From Joker to Cucker.

[@tarektechmarine8209]

From joker to the writer.

[@planescaped]

Who gives 100's of millions of dollars to a writer and director to make... this shit? This is one instance where the studio should demand their money back, lol.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Blackrock, Vanguard, some others...

[@johncaldwell4709]

The first movie was great! An UNEXPECTED DELIGHT! I feel so horrid that the 2nd is this way.

[@wolveric0]

so Road Trip, Old School, Starsky & Hutch 2004 and The Hangover were supposed to be considered "Real Movies"... MOOOOM, TODD IS OFF THE MEDS AGAIN!!!!!

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Hangover sequels weren't very good, the last one in particular was very meh. Meds, Todd. Now. 💊

[@frederickdawson2253]

It was clear the first was Lighting in a Bottle... soon as I heard "musical" I knew I wasn't gonna see it

[@JohnMack-f3f]

This movie might wreck Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix’s careers.

[@duncanharrell5009]

More like a nail in Phoenix’s coffin considering the disaster that was Napoleon.

[@JohnMack-f3f]

@@duncanharrell5009 and he upset his primary fan base by pulling out of a movie he pitched.

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Who cares, both Joaquin and Todd are cowards.

[@JohnMack-f3f]

@@blazingmonolith4323 their moms probably care.

[@Puggy42069]

Shame, but ultimately necessary for bending to the will of the elite.

[@roguedungeon3309]

i feel like the writers were seemingly annoyed that mostly everyone that watched the movie was on arthurs side so they compensated by taking a steaming load all over his character in this one.

[@thomasg2488]

Well, at least Heath Ledger's live-action Joker is still the best on screen. And yes, you could make the arguement for Jack's in 1989 but Ledger was perfect to me

[@georgehouliaras7239]

Sweet Dear Gilga-Daddy,. I'm not letting Galadriel's moaning sound go.

[@basedelon]

Uhuh!

[@OpalLeigh-il8yj]

Neither is Elrond apparently.

[@Drak976]

What about the horse? Is this why the horse died?

[@Sizifus]

Should have advertised this film for masochists, say "if you hate yourself, you should come watch this film" but I guess they're too dense to think up something like that...

[@rjshadow4321]

the best villains come in two ways to me 1. the early Michael Myers where you don't know what they are thinking or why their doing it or 2. the BTAS MR. Freeze you can understand why they do it even if you don't agree with them. Harley was supposed to be a broken woman who over time got back the ability to act her own wants instead of her obsession of a fantasy in which he loves her.

[@PaulieMcCoy]

Mr. Freeze was a well written villain. It's a shame about all the post modernism and cultural marxist praxis. A blight upon entertainment. Maybe people will start reading books again or perhaps a country in Asia will take over the mantle of entertainment? 🤔

[@DelightfullyMADD]

This movie could have worked as a "Joker" movie if, at the end, Arthur does truly break and The Joker is all that's left... and the last scenes we see is him going full Joker, taking his revenge on the asylum... taking his revenge and breaking Harley down until their roles reverse back to what they're supposed to be with her becoming broken and obsessed but this time with the monster she helped create for her own selfish reasons... poetic justice in a sense that she becomes manipulated and broken by the man she manipulated and broke. But no, Arthur instead just meets his end as a pathetic little man who dared to stand up for himself just once, everyone else gets what they want and he's just broken and discarded, and even 'The Joker' looks like it'll be taken by some other guy (which is not a bad idea per se, but executed terribly)

[@canaldecasta]

So they can mishandle management of a prison, or give nothing to mentally ill people as seen in the first movie. They can do everything wrong and that's ok. But when Arthur does thngs his way for once, he must be neutered not because he is a murderer, but because he went againts the system. Outstanding move.

[@saintuk70]

The first film I never saw as a "comic-book film" as, well, I'm not a fan of them at all. The Joker I thought was excellent film and looked forward to a sequel, but...but...but....butt!

[@Ancientreapers]

I was like that with Blade. Wasn't a comic book reader at that time since a kid and I didn't know all the comic book characters. I found out after the movie Blade was a comic book character. You'd never know that from the movie it was. It was just a good action movie with a good story. And they were Vampires.

[@papalaz4444244]

"Joker isn't in these films " "Not comicbook films" bloody hell I agree with Disparu

[@megakuli]

I watched Joker 1 again tonight in spite

[@xebatansis]

Funny, isn' t it? Fans like something, and it gets immediately destroyed/ subverted/ twisted. I wonder why?

[@OVORICK1]

"It's not about the money it's about sending a message"

[@matthsanchez1792]

Exactly, this is done on purpose. Its been a thing for years, its being done to videogames, movies, books, etc

[@FellSlammed]

The joker became, ironically, a joke. What a spiteful world we live in.

[@dashampelstielzchen1239]

Is there a plausible answer to the question why a male and female inmate are on the same spot while imprisoned?

[@valkyrie2307]

At least Ryan Reynolds didnt shove himself into this film as well. - Thats about the best thing I can say about Joker 2. It had so much potential and was such a let down, whether he were to live or not didn't even really matter by the time the film was over.

[@randomaccountwithmusic4206]

Fuck, this is what they tried with rings of power isn't it?

[@PercivalDunlop]

Your editing is so smooth, appreciated it!

[@dlewis9760]

Bot.

[@PoPzQ]

@@dlewis9760 Schizo!

[@spiderjump]

Boycott all future movies ,tv shows by Todd Philips. Disrespect will not be tolerated.

[@mrfoxgamer4202]

Thank u for saving us the money and suffering.

[@TwilightAnarchy]

4:00 *" That's a bold strategy cotton, lets see if it works out for him "*

[@TargetRenegade]

The minute I heard Lady Gaga was in this, I knew it was fucked. The exact same thing I said when Disney bought Star Wars and Microsoft got the Halo IP.

[@jonasthemovie]

Why can’t people be allowed to be fans of a movie without being fans of the character?

[@TitoTea62]

This was definitely one of the best reviews i’ve seen on this channel. so much detail and clear description of the message behind the script. well done Disparu!

[@Matt-wt4sv]

8:49 the person that shanks Athur was not his friend. He was only briefly shown a few times in the movie, but never talking to Arthur. The only prisoner Arthur was friendly with and talked to was killed by one of the guards.

[@KaylieghHereford]

Ughhh Joker is one of my favorite movies of all time, and I was SO looking forward to the Sequel 😭😭😭

[@valkyrie2307]

Its sad that we waited so long for it, just for it to be awful. Terrible on the levels of 2024 Dr Who.

[@ihuomaotika2656]

Same..I love both Joker and Harley Quinn so I was looking forward to this; so disappointing

[@Agent-mb1xx]

Same just bought the 2019 4K bluray minutes ago

[@KaylieghHereford]

@@ihuomaotika2656 Same!!!!! Ughhh, how did they screw up such a perfect concept??

[@KaylieghHereford]

@@valkyrie2307 Agreed!! And just as dissapointing as The new Who to. (I call it Boo-who)

[@JayPadrig]

Just accept the fools in power instead of the fools you want in power

[@driftoroad]

How to destroy your reputation

[@ChromaSoul]

A combination of the paranoia and hatred around the first movie and how dirty they did Arthur in the second movie is just sad and pathetic. The second movie never existed as far as I'm concerned.

[@FunPicard]

It's classic Warner incompetence. They lost out on a lot of profit from the first film due to the financing deal made to spread the risk. Then they put out a sequel, with a far larger budget, probably less risk mitigation, and they think this is what fans of the first film would pay to see? How do these people operate trousers without burning down their homes?

[@baraka99]

Miss me with Joker 2. Will never see it.

[@emeryltekutsu4357]

Sadly, my biggest takeaway is that they completely messed up one of the best female characters because they're incapable of doing her justice anymore. RIP Harley Quinn.

[@cdb5662]

Disparu - you are a unique and intelligent voice and a rare truth-teller in the vast see of movie reviewers. You truly get to the deep heart of each movie or series - the good, the bad, and the awful. I loved your coverage of the Acolyte and laughed so hard I nearly fell out of my chair (“throbbing!”). I think you and the critical drinker are the very best at what you do. You have elevated movie reviews to new heights. I watch your videos even about movies and series that I have no interest in, just to hear your take and to laugh out loud when you skewer the ridiculous choices some of these “creators” like Lesley headland and Todd Phillips make. Your videos are far more entertaining than just about anything put out by the big studios. Thank you! More more please.

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

Let this be a lesson for DC.And if they don't learn,Superman will be free.

[@dtbjason]

When talking about the bad guy character that has a journey to get there and sympathise with with and how that is written properly I think of Darth Vader.

[@Dussellus]

The movie turned into a glam project to highlight Lady Gaga. It was a movie to service her need and wants to be an actress.

[@curtbalch2321]

That escalated quickly...

[@jaded5957]

It's like Ken in the Barbie movie being written as a joke, yet the public were the ones who identified with him.

[@Menstral]

1) Arthur Fleck was too weak and whiny and not intelligent enough to be the joker. 2) The arc of the movie was good. Let's get rid of this loser 3) ...forget the musical 4) ...forget Lady Gaga. 5) Doppelgangers... if you're going to have a psycho girl, then don't make her Harley Quinn, since Arthur Fleck was not the joker.

[@TorreyDunn]

they killed a potential great joker with the musical ninsense

[@TheJudge1933]

I can't believe they had joker get a visit from diddy in prison 10/10

[@dinosaurwoman]

I wonder if WB was totally okay with him making a movie bad on purpose.

[@matthsanchez1792]

It seems so. Remember that famous quote from another joker "its not about money..."

[@jamesconkey1480]

I can't stop chuckling at the Rolling Stone byline "David Fear" 😂 Really? His wife "Mary Terror" and his son "Little Davey Mayhem" 😊😅😂

[@ereini0n]

There's never been an unplanned sequel as good or better than the movie itself

[@petertomasetti3338]

Godfather II....Blade Runner 2049??

[@ereini0n]

​@@petertomasetti3338 Don't hold a candle to the original.

[@ereini0n]

​@@petertomasetti3338 But there is Terminator 2, so I should amend to not making good sequels in the 2000s

[@Cl0ne66]

WB should sue him for ruining the brand.

[@Rey_Palpatine]

When I first saw people talking about the Joker getting raped in prison, I honestly thought they were just making it up as a "this movie was so bad, that may as well have happened too" kind of joke. (un)holy hell

[@comakaze2000]

fyi, it wasn't his friend that killed him. His friend was killed by the guards. He was killed by a random guy that was seen for a split second in the middle of the movie.

[@homerhat420]

The director of the Hangover 2 is critical of what people consider "actual movies" ok

[@keiichi8191]

You've got to give it to Hollywood when even after multiple years of hundred-million-dollar flops, at a time when the industry is constantly crying about how tough things are and how terrified they are for the future of their careers, they continue to think it's a good idea to attack the paying audience and keep poking that bear.

[@michaellombardi5831]

The joker in 2 sounds like Trumo. Their abusing and crushing the joker because they hate the audience, good luck getting our money.

[@RitaJeff]

Such a creative genius, seriously!

[@rawhead3752]

Joker wasn't a Joker movie. It was a different movie with clown paint. Joker 2 was set up for failure from jump.

[@yamamoto800]

They have yet to put a joker on screen better that the one Mark Hamill portrayed. 😢

[@phil8821]

A lot of cigarettes were hurt during the making of this movie.

[@DaMaster012]

Part of the reason the propaganda industry _hated_ the first movie was because it accurately called out their insidious role they play in sowing lies and discord and destroying the civility Arthur lamented no one having anymore. Arthur wasn't trying to become a symbol of chaos or a figure to spark and lead a class war, that was ENTIRELY the "news" who spun that false story. One of the most powerful shots to me in the original movie was after Arthur domes Murray on live TV, the feed cuts, then zooms out to a wall of TVs, playing the murder over, and over, _and over_ again, ending with the line "Gotham is burning," because that's what the propaganda industry does; they want you to hate your neighbor. That the same propagandists love this movie is all you need to know about what an evil, malicious piece of trash it is.

[@phil4986]

The Joker is not in this movie. Well said. So, the entire title of the movie is a fraud.