Joker Folie a Deux’s Biggest Problem (*Isn’t* The Songs…) 🤔 Joker 2 Explained

[@thetake]

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[@Solar_wind13]

Can you do a video on cat ladies? Given her first appearance in the Simpsons, it's a classic trope that has really blossomed in recent years :')

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

The twisted relationship between Joker and Harley brings the whole new meaning of "Bad Romance".

[@lorriechristian7164]

I liked it, but it definitely needed to go all out in every aspect. Harley's arc needed more of an established backstory. The guy in the end needed to be more established as a scorned Joker fanboy. The lawyer needed to be more established as attempting to be Arthur's anchor to pull him into reality when his delusions try to get the best of him. His realization of what being this overblown, idolized image of 'Joker' was doing to him, and everyone else, needed to be more established as well. More. More. More. And there's a way to do that and keep it at the same length, or even shorter. But the drawn-out one shots needed to go in order to make that a reality. Still, I admired it more than the usual "comic book" film. It swung hard. And many people are feeling it's affects.

[@carbodude5414]

Its no surprise that going from "Eat The Rich" to "Murder is Bad" wasn't gonna resonate well with audience

[@Tamlinearthly]

How were you to know that this unstable delusional mass murderer who smothers an old woman and shoots Johnny Carson was some kind of bad guy? It's not as if 90 years of previous popular culture gave any kind of clues.

[@samfilmkid]

I’m not going to see it since I don’t think a sequel was ever necessary, but the fact that it’s turned out to be something of a troll movie against the fanboys does give me a weird respect for it.

[@yayayarelis]

0:43 so, a musical.

[@Celeste-bx8my]

Yeah musical 🎵

[@andiestrellitam3]

Slight correction: even tho Joker and Harley weren’t singing in the trailers, it was said waaay before production that it would be a musical, though most people forgot

[@fabianhammer2864]

even so, arthur was singing, in the second trailer and the first one let the music therapist tell us, that they use music, to heal their fractured selves, in class (pretty much from the start of the teaser trailer)- plus, there are shots of musical live sequences, in both trailers- at least in that respect, i wouldnt see it, as false advertising, especially considering, that each time a trailer drops, self proclaimed critics analyze it, frame by frame

[@perrinedfrs846]

I’m so sure it was meant to fail to break the weird adulation some fans had after the first movie. The goal was clearly to burn the Joker’s myth into ashes. In this one, they said they made a movie in the movie (like if Joker 1 was also launched in the universe of the Joker 2) and so Arthur got a huge community of fans only there for chaos and what they think the Joker is, what they WANT him to be. As soon as the Joker disappears to show it’s always been a poor sick Arthur who need help, his fans go away, they leave the trial just like the IRL fans got mad…

[@alex.prochshenko]

Good video but I was puzzled that apparently people had no idea Joker was a musical. We all discussed it 6 months ago or so when the second trailer came out. It was very obvious and many people were unhappy specifically about that months ago.

[@katkit1479]

They never stated it was a musical- I was keeping an eye out for all the promo and no where was this mentioned in any trailer

[@possomt6211]

It was never a shock or hidden. They announced a musical sequel very publicly

[@RedDrowned]

I think it really lacked proper substance... every storyline in it felt like it was just an attempt at a conversation, and they could have been very good conversations too: the abuse and manipulation of those who are mentally unstable, wether somebody's trauma and illness can fully excuse and explain their crime, how people tend to make something holy/martyrlike of killers and glorify them, escapism, the sensationalism of a courtroom, how someone well-off and very privileged has mental illness yet nobody pays her any mind, Harley being the one manipulating Joker for once instead of him manipulating her (could've been SOOO interesting), trying to disillusion somebody who is well far gone... SO many ideas with zero courage to go BALLS TO THE WALL and really explore them, unlike the first movie which really went there...

[@MySicknezz]

I remember hearing about it being a musical since last year (or maybe early this year) so I was shocked when people started complaining about it and saying they walked out of the theater after the first song, I had no idea they "tried to hide" the fact that it was a musical, especially since I didn't watch any of the trailers.

[@ruthielalastor2209]

I think Lady Gaga's answer was her being polite.

[@rahbruhn]

I actually thought it was pretty obviously the music was an extension from the first film of "shiny crazy world" when the joker lost touch with reality or was believing a delusion... it made perfect sense. it showed harley reaching into Jokers delusion and manipulating it, encouraging him to lean into the Joker fragment of himself.

[@FrancisBurns]

I think the real problem is that Taxi Driver didn't have a sequel for the director to copy from.

[@hectorleon6622]

They are right. It's not a musical. I would have love for it to be a musical. The prisoners, the guards, the judge, everybody singing. At least then we could really say the director dared to do something different but he only took half measures.

[@FiercelyGold]

It's not that often we get a musical where the sane people in the story know that it's weird that our protagonist is singing or staring off into space. I don't think we needed another musical where everybody acts like it's normal to break out into song. Two people in a mental hospital singing to each other while creeping people out is pretty unique. Maybe it's not the musical we wanted, but it's the musical we all deserved.

[@hectorleon6622]

@@FiercelyGold probably that's why it doesn't really seems a real musical.

[@blacktoothlongwalker1037]

The problem is people wanted a huge banger ending; not the downer "it's just me" type ending. We were all Lee. We all only had the fantasy and then it's gone.

[@Tamlinearthly]

Maybe your mistake was in identifying with an incel mass murderer with narcissistic rage. But how could you have known, after all it's a character with such a sterling reputation.

[@Manuscriptsdontburn1990]

​@@Tamlinearthly The first film made people sympathetic to a left behind White male. This film was a humiliation ritual to punish audiences. When you understand how institutional power and Hollywood are pro ✡️ and anti-White it all makes sense

[@Cagon415]

​@@Tamlinearthly people don't choose the characters that speak to them. It's like you think that people who don't fit into the norm should be thrown off a cliff.

[@Tamlinearthly]

@Cagon415 : "It's not my fault I identify with this misogynist mass murderer." Isn't it though?

[@erikjohnsonillustrat]

The punchline of Megaopolis had me laughing so hard!

[@FiercelyGold]

What I enjoyed about it was that it is a more grounded musical and a more grounded Gotham. It shows the fantasy of it, but then smacks us awake with the reality. The reality is Arthur was never a leader or a visionary. Even his songs are unoriginal. People projected an idolized image on him based on a public mental breakdown they saw a snapshot of. He said he doesn't believe in anything and he's no leader in the first movie but his fans didn't believe him. The audience that treated him as an antihero cherry picked what they liked and ignored the rest. The sequel clarifies that people including Lee chose to ignore Arthur and see him as the Joker, when Joker was just a coping mechanism for Arthur after overwhelming rejection. Anyone who truly knew Arthur was disappointed that he wasn't actually Joker, and thus we see this was no origin story, but the death of a fantasy we all were happy to get lost in. I think it's a good lesson because we shouldn't worship mass murderers. These people are largely pathetic cowards lost in a patriarchal system that makes them feel irrelevant beyond inflicting harm. I truly love that Arthur would rather run down the street away from his fans than be The Joker for them. It's refreshing to see an "antihero" nope out of there instead of becoming another movie poster on a boy's college dorm wall. I think we have plenty of those cliches.

[@asho345]

Great take!

[@splitsseconds9965]

Great take honestly the think a leaved the movie thinking is how hannibal lecter of silence of the lambs was let down by his own creator in the sequel novel by becoming his own internet fanboy including the fanboy hero whorship of how he gets the girl in the end

[@ennuiblue4295]

it could have been a fun story, just have em act a fool, then he tells her 'I'm not Joker, only Arthur'. 'Ok. Kick rocks'. The End.

[@Suite_annamite]

I just went to see this movie *last night* (8 October 2024), and *no one in the entire theatre seemed to like it:* everyone *either outright hated it* or was *mildly baffled with it.*

[@johndoeing]

joker 1 was too succesfull with the wrong demografic, so part 2 is a humilliation ritual

[@madelynweathers3269]

Perfect example of the difference between art and propaganda. The first movie was a work of art, it had a deeper meaning than the creators even imagined. It was an exploration of one aspect of the human condition. The second movie is propaganda. The creators tried to send a message with it, and in terms that forced message drowns out any possibility for aspects of the human condition to evolve.

[@trinaq]

The movie was alright, with Joaquin Phoenix, Lady Gaga and Leigh Gill all giving commendable performances, but my biggest issue with it was that it seemed like it was going to end several times before it actually did.

[@asho345]

Stop treating it like a movie about the joker and start treating it like a set of movies about the tragic story of a man who experienced SA from his mother. The joker is just a fantasy, an agent of chaos trope that Arthur attempts to use as a defense mechanism, but can never go all the way because he is too broken down. We already established in the first movie that he is not the typical Joker villain. It’s like people didn’t really pay attention.

[@DasPuppy]

The two movies I have been looking forward to put my mask on and head to the cinema for: Megalopolis, Joker Folies a Deux Welp - saving 50cts for a Mask I guess, and 30 bucks for the cinema tickets..

[@VplusMuffin]

I think it's made for y'all who struggle with trauma and neurodivergency to feel seen, heared, kinda understood. Being portrayed as normal without shaming, to be legitimate/relatable in their way of thinking is rare but very precious in mainstream media. First film's accomplished this by switching the dominant narrative's perspective to usually framed as batshit crazy. and when the normies complained about how this attempt of a genre film didn't make any sense to them, this over-explanatory sequel was born to translate for them. folie á deux is just a bilingual dictionary.

[@LeaFerrigni]

the crime scenes were a littlte too delicate. may be more photorealistic violence could have helped

[@augustosolari7721]

That factor transition was smooth as silk

[@LeaFerrigni]

this is a completely crazy cinema movie. rating: 12 out of 10

[@leadsin99er]

Joker 2 subverted expectations the way other sequels like Sicario 2, and M Night Shymalans Glass did. Negative way when it could have been epic had they jus gave the audience what they wanted. Also Joker 2 is as frustrating as watching Sucker punch.

[@AnessaSellsHouses]

Its biggest problem is that Todd Phillips isn't the auteur everyone made out to be.

[@TheITinFIT]

Yes, thank you! The guy made one ok comedy, then two terrible sequels rehashing it, then got pissy over what “could and couldn’t be funny” and shamelessly ripped off Scorsese in an attempt to be taken seriously.

[@petrvarfolomeev1993]

​@@TheITinFIT but he got an Oscar nod for that! Not bad for a rip-off guy

[@TheITinFIT]

@@petrvarfolomeev1993 An Oscar isn’t always a sign of quality.

[@Dzumeister]

That jump to a Factor commercial was fucking jarring

[@samfilmkid]

I wonder if Phillips was really trying to say "These are comic book characters, they're not as deep or complex as you think they are! You want anti-hero movies? You want musicals? Don't go looking for them here!" Almost like he's encouraging people to seek out genres OUTSIDE of comic book movies for once. He said Joker was always meant to be an anti-comic book movie and it seems he took it one step further with this film. I'm only speculating and maybe I'm giving him too much credit, like a "so dumb it's brilliant" but I hope this signals the end of superhero domination in Hollywood (to a certain degree).

[@johnlee7164]

The irony of course is the marketing of Joker 1 is that adult comic nerds are pathetic and should watch a more grounded real depiction of mental health. Now with the second film, people are still wishing it's a more faithful adaptation of the comic book Joker & Harley and are angry it isn't. They really didn't get the message but still paid tickets. Hence Todd Philips' conundrum...they still bought tickets. 1 billion worth of tickets for the first one.

[@Rapscallion2871]

It would've been fine if they had other songs that aren't just about Joker and Harley loving each other.

[@nikgokuhil]

Musicals are also very hard to dub and even without it, its relatively hard on ESL people. I've friends who wont even try Les Mis cause of musical aspect

[@johnta17]

Joker 3 should be Last Temptation of Christ Redux.

[@inesatt1313]

Wow,just wow missed opportunity,they needed to prepare it more before they released it

[@VeeLondon1449]

It was a studio money grab. Thank you, word of mouth. I saved my money.

[@geniosityfilms]

It absolutely wasn't. It's ok for people to dislike the movie, but it was passionate fever dream that took a HUGE artistic swing. Pretty much the complete opposite of the typical MCU movie.

[@MySicknezz]

If it was a cash grab why even take the risk of making it a musical? A real cash grab would be making the same shit again pandering to the demographic that enjoyed the first one.

[@sereñiarosa]

I didn't really see Madonna with the lawyer.. unless you mean the lady Paul McCartney sang about in the song "Lady Madonna" with the Beatles.. not a lot of young people know

[@thejoker0123]

I'm seeing it but I'm saving it for streaming

[@cenyanfleming2476]

Can you please do The Femboy Trope next.

[@EnhleMoloi]

I always said Phillips copied too much from Scorsese's urban alienation themes & films, in the first Joker. The cracks become very visible in the sequel

[@KirbysVISOR8484]

GOD I HATED IT! Waste of money, don’t do it you can wait I swear

[@hhashimoto5312]

I disagree and am apparently one of the few people who enjoyed the movie. I think the musical scenes were the weakest parts, and that other scenes did go really far (prison guards, puddles, etc.) and were introspective and interesting (don't want to be too specific to avoid spoilers). As is, I think it's a pretty good movie that is too long. Would be very good with 70% less music and 70% less time spent smoking. 🤷

[@har8397]

Ouch. This review completely roasts Todd Phillips

[@CA-kp9lt]

Ngl the first 6 minutes of this wasnt really necessary

[@natalie651]

The first one sucked too!!!!!!!! The director is a hack. He just got luck with Joaquin Phoenix being the start. That's it. There's nothing there.

[@alejandrocervantes3624]

9:32 where? Where is this people? & can you PLEASE help me direct them to the nearest movie theater then?

[@azn1011]

apparently this movie was torn to shreads in the editing room. hopefully they can release a different cut

[@adreena456]

I liked it but Harley’s character was underdeveloped and not much really happened in it compared to the first one

[@glennm5062]

This movie and the matrix reloaded are kinda similar. It's almost like they were made to be failures. Especially for matrix

[@annejohnson5875]

Have you done any vampire videos yet?

[@taytayr]

I just wish it was more dazzling!!! There’s cool musical numbers where they set the stage, but there’s moments where the singing is awkward like the very first song when Arthur sings For Once in My Life. Or when Harley sings Close to You literally behind glass. I was hoping for it to be more silly and as though the two were a team that were wreaking havoc on Gotham, but you see it in their romanticized view. But their ideas of love and conquering others are confined to the courtroom and movie references. Like these bitches don’t go outside 😭😭😭 it’s all a short lived idea and I still don’t understand Arthur’s psyche that well. He’s a guy of poor circumstances is all that I got out of it and maybe he uses music to escape reality cause the times he tried to be joker didn’t land. It wasn’t in him. Love wasn’t in him.

[@franzgemota8425]

Just want to tell you guys that Silent Hill 2 is worth playing

[@TheBeetleOwl]

The potential 😢😢😢😢

[@amnkwh]

the background track for this video…anyone know it??

[@emmafrankly]

The first movie was terrible, the second just followed suit.

[@rtothec1234]

I haven’t seen the first one yet but after seeing reviews for the 2nd one I’m not sure I wanna see either one.

[@Elle-xf8mw]

what has the bad sequel to do with the first movie which in case was a masterpiece!!!!! that's the Hollywood pattern!

[@rtothec1234]

@@Elle-xf8mw i dunno. Guess the excitement is dead for me. It’s like tryna watch a TV show you know got cancelled. Guess I waited too long.

[@TheseOddTimes]

the first one is amazing and i will continue believe its the only one that exists

[@har8397]

It's a fkn musical with gaga... that's all anyone needs to hear

[@thecircledk8597]

Before it was even made or Lady Gaga was cast the writer/director announced it would be a musical

[@pdzombie1906]

Yeah, pretty much it all comes down to a terrible execution of a great concept. What a waste!!! Just like I asked, girls, great as usual!!! Thanx!!!

[@tinamckay2440]

I pay KZbin extra to avoid being assaulted with ads. I don't care about whatever you are selling. So stop jamming these awful, poorly constructed ads in the middle of the video. I am not buying anything in a KZbin video.

[@Lovely-sv1ye]

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[@tinamckay2440]

@@Lovely-sv1ye dude, what's the point of paying extra if I have to skip it.

[@fad23]

You're paying KZbin to avoid the ads that KZbin inserts into their videos. You're not paying The Take to remove an element of their video that DOES get them paid.

[@tinamckay2440]

@@fad23 yeah, still interrupting it mid video ruins the content. But you are right, I will just unsubscribe instead.

[@grizzlyalmighty2]

wait. it was so bad i erased this from my mind but... they FR had a black woman play the therapist who represents all his "oppression". the poor lil white man being oppressed by the most marginalized group in our racist misogynistic society. WOOOOOW. no wonder i hated it sm...

[@Manuscriptsdontburn1990]

I think you cut to the heart of why this film was so controversial. It turned the black oppression narrative on its head and people resonated with that. Institutional power is anti-White but we're supposed to pretend it isn't🎉

[@Ryhillchibulls]

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[@VeronicaSlavova]

The movie haa nothing to say and appears as deep only to pseudo intellectuals, please, take full offense 😁

[@12oshinko]

It was boring

[@hal90001]

The way you pronounce the word "deux" it's literally offensive. Sorry, but that's straight ignorance.

[@NellyNutmeg]

I love musicals. The first Joker movie was too violent for me. This might be something I like

[@thetake]

Thanks for watching!❔If you've already watched the movie, let us know what you thought about it! (And if not, are you waiting for it to go on streaming or just not really interested at all?) ➡Up next, check out our video from a few years back that we mention about what went down with the first Joker film: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIuwYpeLrslmkMU ➡Or watch our recent video on a different anti-hero, Gone Girl's Amy Dunne (& why her rage still resonates even a decade later): kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z17ZcqmpmsScnLs

[@poisonedivysaur]

The absolute worst part about the movie is that the audience didn't understand it.

[@Elle-xf8mw]

seems you are the only one who understood it! please share with us what we missed in that film! i really would love to know.

[@DaNooch669]

Yeah, please tell us what we were missing

[@Grilled_cheezus]

@@Elle-xf8mwit makes fun of the people that identify with the joker from the first film and tells them they’re pathetic which is great I love that

[@MovieShuvies]

Lol😂

[@captain_unhinged4372]

Movie was 10/10. The Joker folie à deux just did what the Joker did best. It took your little character and “Turned it on Itself”. Look what it did with just a bigger budget and Lady Gaga casting. You know what i noticed? Nobody panics when a Joker movie goes “According to Character”. Even if the character is horrifying. If Todd Phillips said that Joker folie à deux was going to be exactly like it’s predecessor but with more “singing and dancing”, or that the Joker will blow up Gotham City. Nobody panics, because it’s “All apart of the Character”, but if he says that one little Joker isn’t really “HIM” well, then everyone loses their minds! Introduce a little nuance. Upset an established Media, and everything becomes Chaos. Joker folie à deux is an agent of Chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about Chaos? It’s Fair.

[@jamesgomez9151]

I just don't enjoy musicals.

[@alexcoyg3281]

Ttttttttt trash