Joker Folie a Deux - why... just why?

Review of the second Joker movie, which probably shouldn't have existed. But it's here now, and this is my take. There's a spoiler-free section followed by a spoiler section, for those inquisitive minds.

[@Kryssthealien]

I just realized that you don't really see the 200 Million spent on screen, no special FX, no multiple locations or countries, no stunt, in fact all the money went to Todd, Joaquim and Gaga.

[@destever9927]

The Joker: An Idea, Not Just a Person in Joker: Folie à Deux In the world of comics, the Joker is often considered the ultimate adversary of the superhero Batman. However, behind this famous character, deeper questions emerge about the evolution of the Joker and the nature of his madness. Looking at recent cinematic interpretations, especially in Joker: Folie à Deux (2024) directed by Todd Phillips, an important question arises: Is the Joker as we know him today the one who invented the idea of the Joker, or was this identity refined by a more psychopathic individual? Arthur Fleck, the character played by Joaquin Phoenix in the first film, is seen as the origin of the madness that defines the Joker. However, he is also a fragile, troubled character due to painful life experiences and deep inner pain. In this interpretation, Fleck is the precursor to a bigger idea - the idea of the Joker - but he does not embody it in its most dangerous form. Fleck is a broken man, and although his actions defy social norms, he remains psychologically and emotionally fragile. His version of the Joker is an explosion of pain and despair, sparking chaos, but it is not a complete embodiment of madness. In contrast, the "real" Joker, as often portrayed in comics and other films, is a full-blown psychopath. This Joker is not driven solely by personal pain, but by a cold desire for destruction. He is a criminal genius, calculated and devoid of emotion. In this framework, he surpasses the raw idea of the Joker, transforming it into a symbol of chaos and destruction. This concept offers an interesting dimension in the portrayal of the character: the Joker as an idea, a force of nature, rather than just an individual. In this context, the Joker is not confined to one person or one embodiment. It is madness that can be passed on and amplified, a mental illness that spreads and evolves, and each new incarnation of the Joker can become more dangerous than the previous one. Fleck, in this case, is the first carrier of this idea, but another psychopath, with the ability to manipulate and spread chaos with frozen precision, becomes the true Joker. This interpretation adds a deeper and more complex layer to understanding the Joker's character, revealing that the Joker is not just a single individual, but an idea that can develop and divide, becoming more threatening with each new incarnation.

[@moonshadow2715]

I give it 1 out of 10!! This sucked!!

[@greg-x3z]

Lady gaga sings well though lol

[@moonshadow2715]

This movie 🍿🎥 sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@user-ux3gh3nt8i]

The sequel is amazing nowhere near as good as first but still truly amazing and as highlighting society those who truly Can’t understand that this film is aimed at revealing psychopaths or wannabe psychopaths just like this channel just like many other channels also devastated by the end conclusion