Oriflamme Canyon: We send a Passport, Outback Wilderness & Highlander up a ROUGH TRAIL!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Here's some quick tech specs about these vehicles: 2019+ Passport | 3.5L V6 | 280HP/262TQ 9 speed automatic transmission | 20.4:1 crawl ratio minimum ground clearance 8.1" | side sill clearance 12.3" approach 21.4 | breakover 17.3 | departure 27.6 Full time AWD system | front and center open differentials | half locked rear twin clutch differential | traction control Falken wildpeak AT3W tires (aggressive trail tire) 2.5" taller modifications: 3.5" Traxda lift kit, Nolo Designs skid plates, Rear sway bar delete, Honda Ridgeline rear springs/shocks @jondz_adventuring 2022+ Outback Wilderness | 2.4L H4 Turbo | 260HP/277TQ 8 ratio CVT with improved torque converter | 15.5:1 crawl ratio minimum ground clearance 9.5" | side sill clearance 11.5" approach 20.0 | breakover 21.2 | departure 23.6 Full time AWD system | front/center/rear open differentials | traction control Yokohama G015 tires (light trail tire) stock size modifications: 2" ADF lift kit, Primitive racing skid plates, front/rear sway bar delete @iluvdrt_oz 2014+ Highlander | 3.5L V6 | 270HP/248TQ 6 speed automatic transmission | 13.7:1 crawl ratio minimum ground clearance 8.0" | side sill clearance ? approach 18.0 | breakover ? | departure 23.1 On demand AWD system | front/center/rear open differentials | traction control Yokohama G015 tires (light trail tire) unknown size modifications: lifted (unknown brand and height), DIY Skid plates, front/rear sway bar delete @twinight9

[@speedy58859]

Sorry I wasn’t able to continue to this trail Jon, next time we will come more prepared so we can stick around for the full event!

[@nkhuang1390]

I think the outback wilderness comes with 9.5 in. of ground clearance instead of the normal 8.7 in. for the standard/XT

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@speedy58859 this would have been good practice for the Mengel Pass trail, which I hear is a step up in difficulty 😃

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@nkhuang1390 you are correct! Thanks 🙏 info has been updated.

[@misterle7026]

you apologizing for deep breathing? You're climbing a steep path, filming, and narrating, that's unbelievable. That Highlander earned my respect.

[@RobbieHerrera]

All I can say is “WOW” on that Highlander.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It has the driver mod, that’s for sure!

[@danlevesque9891]

It's definitely capable. I have one my self I take it on trail all the time.

[@svillareal81]

He is not scared like others

[@dubv6902]

Line choice is crucial. Highlander driver proved this. 👌

[@bruceyyyyy]

I not gonna lie I came to see the Wilderness (props to that guy smashing it with it brand new) but was really impressed with the Highlander.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Stephen, the driver of the Highlander, has exhibited lots of driver skill. He mountain bikes and carried over that skill set into offroading. I’m truly impressed. I’ve always had doubts, but I’ll never doubt him again. He also has good judgement and knows what his vehicle is capable of. I give Steve lots of respect ✊

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@MindBodySynergyllc do you have a link? I’d love to see.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@MindBodySynergyllc my friend @awd fam has a video with his friend going up decently rough terrain. This guy full sends it! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJ_bomaYYpqAeK8 Then there's Sarah N Tuned, where she can't get the wilderness up a hill obstacle kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnrcqHWFot2joZI To be fair though, only one AWD has made it up that hill, and it's the 2021 Ridgeline. She's a car reviewer, so she's not allowed to air down or send it too hard.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@MindBodySynergyllc hehe, only the AWDFAM video is comparable terrain. The other stuff is very mild. Its hard to tell on camera, but from making this videos and filming with phones and go pros, I see this stuff like Neo and the Mateix 🤣. What makes the trail in this video challenging is that the rough sections are on an uphill slope and this trail is rocky, which is harder to overcome compared to just ruts. As far as sarah n tuned, she tried multiple times. She’s a good driver. Just like this video proves, with momentum you can conquer obstacles.

[@ez56789]

Guy smashed it cuz he drives like an idiot. Driver swap wouldve prob been a flawless run

[@crowntug]

That Highlander was spectacular!

[@rogermolina1244]

I've always been curious how a Highlander would handle a trail like this if it was equipped skid plates and All Terrain tires, definitely was impressive!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The driver of the Highlander has a serious driver mod! Also, both his sway bars are quick disconnected. He reconnects them after the trail.

[@iluvdrt8776]

Steve the owner of tgis highlander had the driver mod upgrade. He made me feel like a rookie

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@iluvdrt8776 both you and Steve made me feel like a rookie 🤣! Steve sent me a link to the quick disconnect sway bars he’s running. Super excited to try them out. Now I just have to hope my brake lines are long enough 😂.

[@thomaskrutulis2289]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring share the link! I’m guessing they’re somewhat universal?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@thomaskrutulis2289 yeah, I actually just installed them on my Passport. Makes a noticeable difference. amzn.to/2XhERsK Note* I had to use two 1/2” washers to space out the bolt. Video will go up maybe in a week or so. If you visit my Instagram, I have a story collection on the sway bars quick disconnect endlinks. instagram.com/s/aGlnaGxpZ2h0OjE3OTc0MDkxNTUxNDM5OTgx?story_media_id=2685971601866276128&

[@jer48888]

Totally gives me hope for my highlander!!! My wife and I have five children and a 4runner wouldn’t work as our second vehicle. It’s on!! Thanks for the video!!!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The owner of the Highlander talks about his experience in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHWckniOrciNeNk. It’s been a very reliable vehicle for him.

[@jer48888]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring awesome, thanks for the link. I’ve worked for Toyota for the past eight years and there is so much warranted hype around the true trail vehicles so it was nice to see a kid hauler converted because I’ve always wondered lol

[@iluvdrt8776]

What made this trip so much fun other than the great people was the diversity of vehicles. It was a good trip Jon, thanks.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for leading us Jason! As we were airing down, I realized we had 3 midsized crossover type vehicles from 3 different car manufacturers. Worked out great! Next up is Mengel Pass, hope you could make it.

[@iluvdrt8776]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring i hope i can make it

[@adampolselli597]

Fresh out of the Overland Expo and Jon is back out here pumping out some great content!

[@BernonCars]

I’m impressed with that Highlander!

[@4RT0119]

I think that’s the same AWD system that is on the RAV4. Driving sports TV has a review on it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmrNgaV_oKlpr7c

[@jmbwashi]

@@4RT0119 I don't think it's the torque vectoring one like the Rav4 Adventure and TRD off-road. I wish they made Highlander TRD Offroad. I think that would be awesome.

[@nwilson228]

@@jmbwashi Agree! i have a lifted 2019 highlander as well. Its just called dynamic torque control AWD so it sends power front to back. The 2020+ highlanders i believe started the torque vectoring which can send power side to side.

[@autoduel]

I'd kill for the torque vectoring. Or even a rear locker. The 3rd gen awd system is pretty piss poor.

[@4RT0119]

@@jmbwashi correct, it’s NOT the torque vectoring.

[@armandolopez3778]

It was a great actually to see the Outback wilderness put on a real offroad test course. Of all the reviews I have look at, this by far was the best with no-barrs holds that demonstrate the capabilities. Thank you and stay safe in you guys' adventures.

[@JPWirt]

Would love to see more videos with the Highlander!

[@PatrickRich]

Cool trail John. That Highlander killed it something fierce.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Mr. Rich. This trail is great, lots of variation in terrain. Starts in the desert and climbs to a forest of pine trees at the end.

[@no-lodesigns]

Great video man! Definitely impressed by the subie and Highlander. My inner child laughed at you airing down. 👌

[@endlesscamp22]

Impressed by all the AWD´s, and in love with the Outback Wilderness. Thx for sharing! Great Video!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

This was not an easy trail, skill really came into play here.

[@GrizzlyPath]

It was awesome to finally see a Highlander on the channel, we also own one so it’s cool to see it’s capabilities with an experienced owner!

[@bobonthis9520]

Just picked up a 2022 Wilderness last month, never intended to do this with it, but knowing in can is pretty cool :-)

[@boostedmaniac]

You guys have tremendous patience for those trails. I’ve been on trails similar in a Jeep CJ and it amazes me to see you guys do this in an AWD.

[@soulknight89]

That Highlander and the driver! Holy crap! I am impress AF.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Me too! “My jaw was to the floor” impressed!

[@johnnylong2049]

You all did great! That highlander and driver just made it look easy

[@SparksAUx]

in australia the highlander is called a kluger, i have a 2014 kluger grande awd and i am a happy person now, even though it isnt modified ... tyvm

[@kilawin7456]

You know it's a badass driver when his wearing flip-flops during an off-road adventure.

[@aeiq1219]

The highlander impressed me the most, really nice the way it handled that "moderate" trail, definitely within my range $$$.....4runner just not affordable:(

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Steve did well! Just note that he is probably has the most driving skill out of the group, and he fabricates a lot of the modifications on his Highlander. He made his own bash corner plates, and disconnects both his front and rear sway bar. Both the Highlander and Subaru Outback wilderness used momentum, and that takes huge amount of skill and confidence. A mistake while using momentum can lead to vehicle break down, so something to keep in mind. It’s your money, and I want to help you make the best decision with it. For those that aren’t familiar with off roading, slow is a showcase of vehicle capability and fast is a showcase of driver skill/determination. Line choice is a display of skill at either speed. There’s a huge “toyota tax” so if you want a dedicated off-roader with 4 low, you save money by going with Nissan, Ford, Chevy, old Jeeps, etc.

[@aeiq1219]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I own myself a 2008 Ford Ex 4X4...decent, does well in most terrains, but yes, I agree that driver's input, experience can make a good 4WD much better.... eventually I plan to upgrade, just getting ideas... thanks

[@hgpa]

Thanks for this. I didn’t know I wanted to get into off-roading but I did want a car to “get away” from everyone and camp in. I wanted a 4Runner but they were hard to come by during pandemic and the local dealership was really rude and wouldn’t let me test drive the tacos unless I agreed on a price first. I then saw the OBW online and I fell in love. Only had to wait a month for it as a special order buyer bailed. They treated me kindly and drive off lot the same day. I know OBW is not a true off-road car but it seems to do many things well enough and I’ve had fun going up to Santiago from both Silverado and Ortega. Hope to hit something mellow in Big Bear soon. I know those primitive plates will add to my peace of mind. I would love to add another 2 inches but I’m not sure what that does to warranty.

[@tamake4492]

That ledge on that first climb had me sweating! Good Stuff.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I’ve been on taller shelf roads 😉. Haha

[@JASON-vn9nn]

This was crazy to watch! So impressed by the Highlander getting through!

[@OBWAdventures]

I love these kinds of videos. Especially with a wilderness in tow.

[@andrewmeekens1778]

I'm looking to get a Highlander also 2013 AWD for sure and overland with is and to go fishing wow thanks for showing me one off-roading !!!!!!!!

[@aznboi0118]

Always liked the masculine chiseled looked of the 2014-2019 Highlander. Good thing to know it is off road capable with the right amenities. 👍🙏

[@trailrunnah8886]

Same! I have a 5th gen 4Runner, like the ones in this video. I always at Highlanders with some admiration though, because I think other than the difficult off-roading, the Highlander is probably better at literally everything else than the 4Runner. Seeing the Highlander take this sort of terrain is impressive, because I think most 4Runner owners would not attempt this.

[@aznboi0118]

@@trailrunnah8886Both are great SUVs. What surprised me when test driving the Highlander was how well it took corners; The double wishbone suspension helps the vehicle. Overall the 4runner is still the better off road.

[@tomKphotoFortCollins]

Can't believe that's rated a moderate trail. Whoa. Great video!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Right? Moderate 4WD trails are even scary to people that drive 4WDs (that’s aren’t so experienced). This would be borderline difficult due to the beat up trail conditions.

[@tomKphotoFortCollins]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Imogene Pass is now ranked advanced - as much for negotiating all the 2-way traffic on the shelf roads as much as trail decay.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@tomKphotoFortCollins we did Imogene on a Thursday and luckily didn’t come across too much traffic. In a convoy, we will run a scout up front to warn others of oncoming traffic. I drove ahead and told the others to stay back until I saw enough room for us to pull over. I’d radio in, “okay 3 of you drive up”, “okay, we have room for 2 more”. Etc. instagram.com/p/CRUN4LZA2gV/?

[@peterandrewj]

I liked the Passport: 4 inches of lift added, rear sway bars disconnected, but a couple times I thought it was going to roll. The mods are necessary but driving skills are everything. The AWD unibody vehicles looked like they took a beating from the dependency on momentum...probably can't use them on "tough" trails too often. I think a novice like me would be safer in a 4runner with KDSS.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I get out on a lot of adventures and I've seen so many people roll their vehicles, especially body on frames due to a false sense of security. I had one guy I mentored that drove a 4runner that got ahead of himself and rolled on a steep downhill obstacle (not my trip). You're right about momentum, even with lots of experience you can see the outcome. Many people commenting don't understand that, which is kind of scary. They see momentum speed as equaling "Easy", which is the exact opposite.

[@tpseeker3367]

Hat's off to All of you guys & Especially when Spotting. For a 20 min vid it felt like a Kick Ass 40 minute vid. How's them calves feeling from all that climbing uphill? Keep up the great work Jon

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks TP Seeker! Calves are feeling good!

[@VinMotors0613]

The Highlander left a strong impression on me, especially considering I own one myself. Could you provide details on the type and size of tires it's currently equipped with? Your content is truly impressive!

[@dwruckstheeast]

I just traded my Wrangler for a Wilderness. Now we BOTH need a steel bumper and winch. Great job everyone!

[@miketyler4536]

PS, Tell Jason hello. I miss his Brat!

[@JamesJLaRue]

This trail is in my area but outside of my skill level. That Outback looks flexy. I gotta search old videos for more footage of that Brat.

[@miketyler4536]

Hi JonD. This is Drift King, I am still kicked off IG haha, glad to see you on here again. keep in touch mate . Cheers. Mike

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Hello drift king! Long time no hear from you. I hope all is well!

[@miketyler4536]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Hey, thx for the reply. Doing well, just very politically active and have been on the news worldwide with things I have been involved with😁

[@RylanSuyeishi]

that highlander was kicking ass. definitely some driver mod but highlanders are definitely underrated off-road. i have a ‘13 highlander and want to get into trails and light off roading. already have a lift with meaty tires

[@scottgray3945]

Anza Borrego area … loved driving trails down there.

[@aimlesslydriven]

Wow great video Jon. Nice to see some extreme AWD action. Would love to take my Disco Sport with you guys on that type of trail sometime.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Welp, there’s Mengel Pass next month 😃

[@chazmic]

Love the content. Although I’ve since moved on from struggling with less capable vehicles, still enjoy the show. Thanks for making these videos!

[@franzcomorposa]

Thought the highlander was an old man’s SUV. That rig was impressive out there.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It impressed me. I didn’t count him out because he’s always shown a high skill level offroading, and he did not disappoint!

[@franzcomorposa]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring awesome content and impressive driving from all of you guys!!! I Should explore San Diego’s backcountry too. I only go to julian for their apple pie!! 😀😀😀

[@patrickdubois7997]

Wow is a very hard trail in my opinion, i'm really impress by the outback wilderness + the higlander.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It’s a moderate 4WD trail, which is by no means easy for even a 4WD. Trails offroad rates it a 4 out of 10, which is really 4 out of 7, since levels 8,9 and 10 are extreme are reserved for tube buggies. A moderate 4WD trail ends up being difficult to severe for AWD. Wheel articulation, gearing, and traction aids really help a lot. Steve in the Highlander has quick disconnect sway bar end links. I actually ordered a pair.

[@patrickdubois7997]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Oh yeah because this kind of trail isn't for a Forester XT 2014 like mine stock

[@smellybearc7411]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Steve drove a Prius and somehow still made it out unscathed.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

🤣

[@danieljackson-woods6225]

It's about time somebody actually tests the OBW and drives it the way you're supposed to. I upgraded the tires on my OBW a week after buying it. They slipped too much on dirt and loose mud

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yeah, with the exception of AWDFAM, I don't see any other vehicles putting the OBW to the test. There's some guy driving through watery mud which isn't much of a test. In this video, rocky shelves are being driven up. I use to run the G015s on my 2015 Forester, they aren't nearly as grippy as the Hankook Dynapro ATMs I ran. I love my Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws on my Passport. In some cases though, it's not the tires that hold the OBW back but rather the CVT, but when more momentum has to be used to overcome something, tires now definitely play a bigger part. Jason is a stud though, he can drive. He has 25 years of wheeling experience, 9 out of 10, anyone else in an outback wilderness isn't doing as good as him.

[@twocrowsblades3544]

That highlander ! Drive Like he stole it 😂

[@vilhelmstein2091]

Gotta trim that wilderness front bumper somehow and it would dominate

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The owner plans to replace it with a steel tube bumper.

[@RKmndo]

We have a 2005 Highlander. I would have never really thought to offroad it. 'AWD and skidless.

[@BluePatch-pc7sx]

I wonder if I could make it with my Sequoia, that trail looked very tuff, good work guys.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I think so. With careful wheel placement you should make it through unscathed. Depending on the year of your Sequoia, you'll have either a Solid Rear Axle or Rear independent suspension. A SRA would be the best case scenario for increased wheel articulation, but either the case, a low gear transfer case (better gearing and mechanically locked torque front/rear will be helpful attributes to get through a trail like this.

[@Athiril]

Tyres are 90% of the battle. I’ve been in some high difficulty trails in my outback, but most of ours here seem to be based on steep incline and low traction, not a large amount of left/articulation and ditches. I might been a lift kit and torq locker for that kind of thing, already got decent ground clearance at 9.2 but bumper approach angle leaves more to be desired and can scrape easily, as does rear bumper.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It depends on what vehicle you're driving. For example, in deep sand, my 2015 Forester XT would bog down and get stuck if I wasn't at 15 PSI, in my Passport I could drive in deep sand at 35 PSI. A stock 4runner TRD Off-road with Highway terrains would, in many cases, get further than my Passport. IMO, tires in snow would be very important. I wouldn't say 90% of a difference, but it would be up there.

[@miketyler4536]

You need to stop in to Julian and get a famous apple pie ! I miss my Hometown Of Poway!!

[@nkhuang1390]

Great video on a local trail I plan on doing! very informative. Do you think the new changes such as the 4.44 final drive ratio and the new XMode alleviates some of the issues with CVT Subarus not being able to tackle steep hill climbs? Subaru claims the wilderness edition can climb 40% grade.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Absolutely. It’s more than just the slight bump in gearing, the torque converter also seems to be beefed up. **which means, it doesn’t stall as easily**. There’s also changes in the suspension which allows for more wheel articulation than the regular Outback XT and to further improve upon that, The owner of the wilderness deleted his front and rear sway bars. A 40% grade is only a 21 degree climb, so careful with the wording. A 40 degree climb would be an 84% grade. Tricky huh? Hehe

[@larrymayfield2142]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Why delete the sway bars?

[@Keigan884]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring yeah what does deleting the sway bars accomplish?

[@donbeary6394]

@@Keigan884 @Larry Mayfield .. A sway bar connects the left wheel with the right wheel , now jack up one just one wheel, that sway bar link to the other wheel will raise it some too .. if you disconnect the sway bars, each wheel can better follow uneven ground, visualize crossing a ditch at an 45* angle , one side wheel will be pushed up, the other side dropped down , the easier a wheel can do this, and the farther it can do this, the better (sway bars are very beneficial on road, and at high speeds, but a detriment in off road slow speeds)

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Sorry I didn’t reply, I’ve been busy. Thanks for explaining that Don! After this trail run, I talked to the owner of the Highlander and ordered the quick disconnect front sway bar end links he has. Here’s the difference in wheel articulation. instagram.com/p/CVLVPVYpF_H/? I purposely put my vehicle in a “crossed axle” situation and it got up noticeably easier. Note: my rear sway bar has been disconnected for over a year.

[@pizzasaurolophus]

Really cool video and awesome rigs. I really think the lack of a low gear range is what hurts these crossovers on tough obstacles. I wonder if for example Honda could do something like add a super low 1st gear that is engaged in an offroad setting only and ignored for regular street driving. That would be a pretty cool compromise.

[@paulb5390]

Their biggest problem is a lack of a true 4x4 system. Next is ground clearance. That Passport is lifted 3.5 inches and still has almost 3" less ground clearance than a base Jeep Wrangler

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@paulb5390 I actually observe "wheel articulation" as being the single most limiting factor of my Passport. The 20.4:1 crawl ratio makes up for the lack of a low gear T-case (a 100 series Land Cruiser for example, is only geared 30:1) and the higher tech transfer unit in my Passport can almost have it perform like a T-case, but it's not a true locked center diff. The lack of wheel articulation really holds my vehicle back, even though it's flexier than many other AWDs, it's still not good enough. The lack of flex is awesome for on-road though. my 3.5" Passport has 12" of ground clearance at the front skid plate and rear diff. A stock jeep wrangler has 10.8", which is impressive for a stock vehicle, but it's not 3" less minimum ground clearance, at least not at the center line. I'm actually putting together an impromtu "maximum ground clearance" video, about the ground clearance at the rocker panels. My Passport has 15-3/4" and a Jeep Wrangler may very well have be 3 more than that. A stock 4runner is at 17" at the rocker panel.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

smoothies, the Passport does have the low 4,71:1 1st gear with a 4.334 differential. In the Jeep Renegade trailhawk, they call that 4 low. But it would be cool to see it brought down even lower. heck, I'd like to just take a real T-case like in the Jeep Cherokee trailhawk. The gearing is truly impressive at 56:1.

[@mkflack74]

I own a 2020 highlander hybrid, and I’m stunned to say the least!!

[@kensai77]

I was actually impressed by the performance of the Outback Wilderness despite still having CVT. Do you think Subaru has redeemed itself with the CVT in the Wilderness model?

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

Subaru has a lot of work to do imo. Until Subaru switches to a traditional automatic transmission, I will not trust Subaru reliability. I had head gasket issues, valve guide leaks, and cvt failures on my 2015.

[@kensai77]

@@haroldbeauchamp3770 or at least offer a Wilderness with a manual transmission. I have a 6MT Forester which so far has been decent.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@kensai77 the Outback Wilderness did better than previous iterations of a CVT equipped Subaru. I owned a 2015 FXT and no way it would perform at this level. It’s definitely an improvement. I think my FXT had a similar crawl ratio, but had a torque converter that stalled way too easy. Also, the reverse crawl ratio was only 9:1, which meant I couldn’t back up a curb, or even a log to level my car at camp. So, the Outback wilderness is definitely an improvement. Unfortunately, the CVT won’t be going anywhere. This topic has been covered by guys like @mrsubaru1387. Other automatic transmissions just won’t fit in the Subaru global platform architecture. HOWEVER, the dual range manual transmission would fit. It would be cool if Subaru offered it here. It would make sense for the Subaru Wilderness line, just doubt it would happen. We can’t even get a WRX hatchback.

[@Honestandtruth007]

Why so many people Crying about Subaru with Head gasket and oil Consumption issues.....???? ...... My 2014 Forester don't have no issue like that....

[@haroldbeauchamp3770]

@@Honestandtruth007 no one here is crying. We’re pissed. If yours doesn’t have these problems be sure to play the lottery. Because you have spectacular luck. Every single 2014-2015 Subaru in my fleet had some sort of major issue. Not one of them was fixed until I hired an attorney. Every single time. I lost thousands and never looked back.

[@rockkstah2550]

Subi was awesome, but the highlander killed it!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

They both have good drivers behind the wheel that know how to use momentum, but the old Highlander has a traditional automatic 😃.

[@Larant88]

His needs to get a new 2021 or 22 HL with AWD and MTS. The HL limited has MTS and torque vectoring AWD 🙂

[@richardburguillos3118]

That was Fun…. Maybe at the beginning of these trips you could do a quick walk around of each vehicle talking to the owners about what they may or may not have done to their vehicle. Is it stock has it been upgraded in some way. Maybe a post trip review covering things like if any vehicle damage was found. Was the damage unavoidable. What might help prevent it next time. Looks like the wilderness outback had some damage. Also looked like he was having fun fighting the CVT. Did he use any of the special modes.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Most People don’t have long enough attention spans for super long videos. I will be doing a vehicle walk around in a separate video.

[@richardburguillos3118]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I agree, maybe I misunderstood one of the points the video was trying to make… that AWD vehicles that are properly modified/prepared can do this. I know you say it in text, but most people are lazy and just watch the videos. I see your channel as a great opportunity to learn. I have a 2018 Outback Touring I was going to maybe upgrade to a wilderness edition but after seeing your videos on the upcoming new Honda and what you are doing with yours as well…. I’m trying to learn from you and your channel…. Yea, I’m lazy and watch vs. read description text for YT videos…. Guess of the info is there I just need to read…. Just a quick overview of each vehicle maybe even as you commenting when they are driving over an obstacle you could comment on their rig instead of the pre trip walk arounds….

[@jjay718]

Looks like a fun trail. Wish I lived out west.

[@pobjoe]

Thanks for the video! Do you have any more info on the Highlander? I’d like to follow him. I’ve seen very few people do anything this strenuous with them.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yep! His info is in onscreen text in the video and also in the video description. His IG is @twinight9

[@betoawire]

Last summer I completed the 100 mile white rim trail in canyonlands on my stuck 2016 highlander. The only thing I did was upgrade my tires to some Firestones AT

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Nice! I hear that they only grant you a permit if you have a 4WD vehicle with 4LO. Were you able to get a permit?

[@betoawire]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring not that I'm awesome of, I've seen subarus up there so probably not

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@betoawire 😮

[@TeCKis300]

Enjoyed the video. Do you know if a full size truck or a Raptor will fit through "the squeeze"?

[@Ram14250]

I was surprised and impressed! AWD vehicles continue to blur the need for 4WD with Transfer case unless you are doing severe / rock crawling type off-roading. They need to put skid plates on and give the suspension some lift but look out!! :-) I just wish they'd get more respect because they are all very capable vehicles.... even the Subie with the rubber-band transmission. It looked really good out there!!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Stephen, the driver of the Highlander said it best: “If you care about comfort and improved gas mileage for 95% of your driving, It seems like a truck would be more of a compromise than a crossover. Besides, if the vehicle is too capable, it takes the fun out of most of the trails.”

[@jppilotadventurez5251]

What’s the next off road vehicle you have in mind? Another Honda? At some point all good things must come to an end.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

After 2 years 7 months, I still love the Honda. It’s my daily, and a good one at that, even with all the gear I throw on it. The Wife and I are spontaneous people, so it’s nice to always be ready for adventure (and the daily drive).

[@marcoalfaroazofeifa]

that's some serious off-roading

[@lexusgxlife6328]

Looks like it was a great day out.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It sure was!

[@Databyter]

I used to think I was the only one crazy enough to do stuff like this. And I was usually doing it alone. I was very lucky to never break down or get stuck when out in the middle of nowhere with my stock Subaru going places nobody would believe I could get to. Now I am very interested in the Wilderness. Unfortunately I am also interested in the gas guzzling new Bronco (full size) which is more than I can afford and more than I need. But hey, aren't I allowed to have a full blown mid-life crisis every 50 years or so? I like doing more with less, and the gas savings, the room, the skill, etc. But I also like the idea of tearing up there in my brand new Bronco and watching you guys come up from the top as I eat a sandwich and drink a Corona. Loved this vid, gonna subscribe. Hope to see you guys out there when I finally can afford to buy SOMETHING that can do this. Thinking my Jaguar Type S wouldn't make it far. Databyter

[@chrismanspeaker9372]

When you think about it, what is the purpose of a low gears/transfer case anyways? It made sense in 1995, when my Toy had 118hp or my Jeep Cherokee with maybe 120hp . Now, most of these are tickling 300hp. With a lift, skid plates and good tires, no reason they cannot go anywhere you want, especially if you can lock all four wheels.

[@edgarandreasyan521]

For crawling.

[@No_S3rvice]

Now I have some ideas for our 2015 Highlander. 😄 🤣

[@2nd-place]

Subaru: we made is so tough with all this ugly cladding! Takes it on moderate course and there’s literally pieces breaking and falling off.

[@softroadingthewest]

Great episode Jon, fun trail and nicely captured.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks Donald!

[@jean-paulduclosjr5655]

Some really good driving guys

[@nkhuang1390]

Another question that came to mind as I read the specs of the vehicle is: What do you think of the differences between the "trail tires" (Geolander G015, Wildpeak Trail, BFG Trail Terran T/A) vs the "real all terrain" tires (Wildpeak AT3w, BFG Ko2). Especially when this is applied to the conditions we have in socal (dry, rocky, loose and loose over packed). From the video, it doesn't seem like there is significant difference in their performance. But how has your experiences in the real world been when wheeling with other folks that use these? there must be a reason why you run a "real AT" right? The trail tires seem to be nice since they are usually much lighter than their "real AT" counterpart.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

That’s a good question. First of all you can see two different type of driving styles. I crawled it similar to the 4WDs, but since I don’t have their wheel articulation, I’d lose traction and would have to “bump” it. I drive like this to reduce trail damage and stress on my vehicle. It’s paid off, 86K miles and nothing has broke. When more momentum is used, less grip is needed, but as you can see, there are some obstacles that will kill momentum. I actually have experience with the G015 and Cooper discovery AT3W. There’s a substantial difference with the Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws on Rock, Ice, and Rain.

[@nkhuang1390]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring That makes sense. I guess there is no such thing as free lunch, more grip = more weight. Thank you for being so diligent in answering these questions. Just found your channel and you have some of the most interesting content with regards to CUV + Overlanding. Cheers.

[@pnw_element9822]

another great adventure Jon ain’t gonna lie I be worried riding this trail in my element lol 😂

[@grigolas86]

In that price segment, i think rav 4 trail edition will be interesting. tractions on passport and highlander working weak, Subaru has some transmission problems with momentum and power distribution. I like your channel because, most people have crossovers and they have no idea, where they can to go. thanks

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate it! So, the Passport has one of the more advanced AWD systems on the market right now and that’s why I drove slow and unskillful 🤣. I just relied on the the mechanical advantages. You can actually buy a Passport Sport AWD for a little cheaper than a Rav4 trail. A lot of car reviewers don’t understand how iVTM4 works. Its two part. The twin clutch AWD system (different than more simpler Rav4 system) Is always on, but the traction control system is similar to the 4Runners A-TRAC, it only operates at lower RPMs. Rev your engine and “send it” like in most AWD’s and traction control won’t work. A iVTM4 equipped Honda should be driven like a 4WD rather than an AWD.

[@grigolas86]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Thank you for response. I sow your videos and compare with my Tiguan. volks traction working faster and power distribution is more advanced in my opinion. Passport is really good car, i was surprised how capable it is, but they should work on electrics. rav with trail edition surprised me as well. p.s Tiguan is terrible car for over-landing, am always scared not to broke something. searching for replacement.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@grigolas86 The Passport is instant and does it without the wheel appearing to brake. watch this video at 10:55 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5m5nKOmn5Vml5o

[@308bar]

Jon could you recommend a place to find a skid plate for a 2003 Rav4? Appreciated! Enjoying your shows thanks and keep it up.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yes, I met a company at the overland expo in Flagstaff. They make your skid plate. www.asfir.com/front-skid-plate-536055.html

[@freedom_foz_6337]

I remember when the rooted progress(Marc) went down this trail I thought it was insane..

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I studied that video (and the uphill one too) when he released it, because I knew that I would try to redeem myself. The trail was a lot more difficult than I could have imagined 🤣. I kind of forgot how to use momentum, which was nerve wrecking because there was one spot where I had to “send it” to avoid sliding sideways into a rock. It was during the drone footage section, but not sure if I caught it. Back 3 years ago, many of us attempted this trail. I turned around because I lacked ground clearance. For those that continued, there was massive carnage. Someone bent his lower control arm, people bashed radiator support bars, doors were dinged. I’m so glad I turned around back then 😇.

[@freedom_foz_6337]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring sometimes you have no option but to send it! 🤙🤙🤙 it’s important to know your limits and go with groups who can support you pushing limits buuut done safely and within your comfort zone.

[@zogadwoe]

Nice video. My question is why was the ascent not included? Should I think that the outback wilderness is better than the ascent for off road?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks! We had an overlanding trip that included 20+ vehicles. The 5 of us in this video just happened to be the ones up for this rough trail. In other words, I have no control over what vehicles go 😃. So, I thought the Outback wilderness would be geared just like the ascent at 14.6:1, but it turns out Subaru reconfigured the CVT to have a more aggressive gear ratio in the OBW and it’s at 15.5:1. The OBW would be better suited because it has more minimum ground clearance, but also more maximum ground clearance. A stock OBW has 11.5” of side clearance. This clearance helps get through rocky terrain. This is the clearance that lines up with the tires. A Subaru Ascent has 9” of side sill clearance. This is a rough trail, so the 2” lifted OBW you see in this video has 13.5” of side sill clearance. You can modify an ascent to have 11”, but not sure if that would be enough for a trail like this. Also, note that the OBW in this video has both front/rear sway bar deleted and has over 25 years of wheeling experience. This is not a trail I would recommend for any stock AWD vehicle. I hope that answers your question 😃

[@TheKrisBunch]

Love seeing the OB:W rocking that trail. So it had a 2 inch lift after market? That should be around 11 inches of clearance.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

As far as true measured ground clearance, it’s not always additive. You’ll have to get down there and measure with a ruler.

[@Honestandtruth007]

Alright.....👍💪👍. Asian guy can drive Off-road Too.....🤩😅 Wayyyyyy to go Man 👍

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

🤣🤣

[@Betalien99]

what app do you use to find these trails!? thank you and great video

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

www.trailsoffroad.com, they also have an iphone app.

[@ps2stony]

Curious to hear your thoughts Jon. To me it seemed like the highlander driver could have taken anything he wanted up there since he was just so good (and ballsy). As soon as the highlander was taxed to show off its AWD system (like during the drone shot) the driver had to back off. Based on all your videos I’ve seen and maybe a bit of my own Honda bias, it seems like only the passport has an AWD system worth trusting on trails like these. Thoughts?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Stephen, the driver of the Highlander is very very very skilled. He mountain bikes, and that skill set helps him. He admits in the comments that his AWD system is not very advanced, so not only do his skills make up for it, but also the way he modified his vehicle. He disconnected both front and rear sway bars and came up with a way to quickly disconnect and then reconnect them. He built his front bumper with a steel reinforcements to slide over things. In part of the video with the deep ruts, you can see how effective his bash plate worked. This trail was a tough one. Not the hardest I’ve done, but it’s up there. I wasn’t 100% comfortable like I was when I summited imogene pass at 13.1K feet. I felt like my Passport could use more wheel articulation. I actually messaged Stephen to get the link to his quick disconnect sway bar end links. I’ll receive them on the 15th, and I’m expecting them to make a big difference. I was the only AWD here with connected front sway bars.

[@autoduel]

The Highlander AWD system is pretty poor. If you seen the AWD battle channel, you can see how bad it is. If one wheel goes up in the air, it will just spin. I pick my lines to avoid that situation and use just enough momentum to get all wheels back on the ground avoiding one wheel dips and crossups. Disconnecting sway bars also helps increase articulation and reducing the chance of wheel lift. Know your vehicle's limitations and adjust your driving style to give it the best chance of success.

[@jpcomp5159]

Looks incredibly dengerous!

[@darrylk808]

I was more impressed with the Highlander! That driver was speeding!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Yes, momentum is dangerous, but if you have a good understanding of how to use it, it can be a powerful tool.

[@autoduel]

Smooth application of power is the key. I keep momentum, but just enough to bump over the obstacle. I know if it stop just before it, it's easy to lose traction. I went a little too fast at the last obstacle.

[@darrylk808]

@@autoduel How is the Highlander AWD? I am looking for a new car and am debating...new 2022 Tundra with camper top or a Highlander. I've eliminated others like 4Runner, too short to sleep in, and seats don't fold flat. Sequoia sucks gas and can't easily remove the back seats. Highlander folds flat with enough length, but is not a 4x4. Then I see where you take yours and I'll never go there... :)

[@autoduel]

@@darrylk808 The 4 the generation highlander with the torque vectoring AWD is what I would get if you plan on offroading it. The previous generations didn't have a good system. One wheel in the air and you are stuck. It's only available on the xse and limited trims.

[@darrylk808]

@@autoduel That's the one I was looking at. A Limited with Dynamic Torque Vectoring. Thanks.

[@grizzlybaitak]

Ahhh...the value of a good spotter!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Don’t leave home without them 😃

[@CommieHunter7]

Steve is a boss

[@wrightdesigns3333]

Can we come out on a day trip? We will bring cayennes out on the trail.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

That would be awesome! I heard about the Euro offroad club in Southern California. I’m very intrigued by these offroad Cayennes. Please join our Facebook group, we have a trip out to Death Valley on November 5-7. facebook.com/groups/1097379240623726/

[@Neworldisordered]

Thx for sharing you I will build a Passport based on your experiences & knowledge. Are you running the axle relocator?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

You’re very welcome. I am not running the axle relocation kit, instead I shaved the metal pinch weld. I think the relocation kit is a better option because it’s not a “permanent” change.

[@rupertgumban9251]

Great off-roading Jon, hey man I know it’s none of my business but I notice you’ve been out of breath walking on steep hill… I remember a while ago you experience like a heat stroke or something, I’m rehab nurse so kinda notice it..

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Thanks for the concern. I’m out of shape 🤣, and I really need to get back into it. Next month I’m planning on hiking 700 feet up a sand dune in Death Valley.

[@adrianalvarado1291]

The Wilderness is stock , but the Highlander and Passport are modified ( big tyres and lifted )

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

That's not true at all. The Wilderness has a 2 inch lift and front and rear sway bars disconnected, it's more modified than my Passport since a front sway bar delete is a BIG mod. He is running stock Yokohama G015 tires, which are still considered trail tires, just light trail tires. The Highlander is running the same G015s as the outback wilderness. Keep in mind that the biggest issue with the Wilderness was the transmission and once bigger tires are mounted, gearing wont be as aggressive.

[@Sergiop4x]

Too bad I wasn't able to join... will have to do it one day!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It’s an awesome trail! Very beautiful, I actually didn’t show all the different types of terrain. I highly recommend starting at the bottom of the trail and drive up. The trail gets narrow, and those driving down have to yield to uphill traffic. We didn’t come across any downhill traffic, but it can happen. Hit me up on IG if you need any info.

[@edgarandreasyan521]

That stock taco did awesome 😂😂😂

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

🤣🤣🤣 needs to find harder lines

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

Was good to finally meet you Man! Come out for Death Valley if you’re available

[@edgarandreasyan521]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I did the hardest lines I could find :( lol ! But I’m super down just gotta figure out my dog situation lol

[@ReversePeople]

Love the channel, Jon! Another great vid! Hey, I’ve been meaning to ask (respectfully) - it sounds like you pronounce Toyota like TEE-yoda. Any reason? I truly mean no offense. I just find it interesting. Keep the awesome content coming!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I’m a Star Wars fan 😃

[@ReversePeople]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Ha! Me too but it’s the TEE in “Tee-yota” that’s throwing me, not the yoda. What up with that?

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

🤣🤣🤣 dammit…. I don’t have an answer for you

[@ReversePeople]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring Ha ha. It's all good. Still diggin the channel!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

@@ReversePeople next episode I will pronounce it “Tuuuuuyota

[@Ctb1998]

Honda should release a full off-road worthy passport with 4wd, imo it definitely has the look of an off roader without being one

[@subie2021]

Love the outback... When you say lifted 2 inches, is that puck lift or suspension lifted. What lift did you use, because I'm also looking to lift my wilderness Thanks

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

It’s a prototype Anderson Design and Fabrication (ADF) spacer lift. The owner of the Outback wilderness is Jason @iluvdirt_oz on Instagram.

[@tomastylecek7209]

very impressive

[@ir8maverickmichaeljavillon306]

This is nice but hard for AWD. Good thing i decided not to go with you guy’s on the second day trial. 🤙🏽

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

this was much more difficult than I could have imagined. According to Jason, this was the worst he has seen the trail. Back almost 3 years ago, there were many Subarus that got through this trail. I didn't get it on video (because my Go Pro kept overheating), but there's a section that I totally bashed my muffler on, haha! it's okay, my ground clearance went up 12" to 12.25" hahaha

[@clou1969]

Subaru approach angle are So Bad, just good for light off-roading. Subaru is the worst of the 3 vehicles. Ford Bronco would have outclassed all of these vehicles. Nice video man love it!

[@durtyflyadventures]

How was everyone's trans temps? Great episode!!!

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

I’m not sure about the other guys, but my trans temp peaked at 220F. I turned on my cooler fan and it kept it below 215F.

[@autoduel]

I don't have a temp monitor, but I have a tow package with an additional aftermarket cooler and have never had a temp warning.

[@edgarandreasyan521]

Mine was also fine i never turned it off either ran from off the highway all the way till the end

[@hclim9202]

Of all the cars, I expected the Highlander to fare the worst. But driver's skills more than made up for it.

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

💯. Steve really knows his vehicle and how to drive it!

[@ArbitraryLifestyle]

Why in the WORLD would you expect a Toyota anything to do worse than a Honda in an off-road situation??

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

The Honda has better gearing 20:1 vs. 13:1 in the Highlander. The Honda also has a rear LSD, the Highlander is open diff. I’ll admit, the Highlander driver is waaaaaay more skilled than me.

[@Larant88]

My 2022 Toyota Highlander AWD has MTS with a V6. The new AWD set is superior then that 2015 Highlander AWD. Can't wait to see someone make a video with the newer HL.

[@thomaskrutulis2289]

There goes the highlander market

[@JonDZ_Adventuring]

🤣🤣🤣. Maybe it’ll ease the market on 4runners

[@thomaskrutulis2289]

@@JonDZ_Adventuring I honestly never knew they had an awd lock to keep it 50/50. Wonder how close it is to single level x mode? Anything with v6 and real trans has potential.