Shaq Vs Hakeem: Who’s the GREATER Center? (Versus Series #3)

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Jonny Arnett

Jonny Arnett

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@jonnyarnett
@jonnyarnett 3 жыл бұрын
1-on-1 Tournament: Shaq, Hakeem, Wilt, Russell, Kareem… who wins? ERROR: At one point I say Shaq was the worst Free Throw shooter in the league 8 times, but the text says 10... it is in fact 8. Sorry, its the struggle of making final edits at 2:30am. lol
@rileymcauley6994
@rileymcauley6994 3 жыл бұрын
Wilt
@JuanTaughtMe
@JuanTaughtMe 3 жыл бұрын
Wilt
@kermit1056
@kermit1056 3 жыл бұрын
Wilt
@butter1ftw724
@butter1ftw724 3 жыл бұрын
I would say Shaq. I assume the 1v1 tournement would follow street ball rules, and Shaq is the biggest bully of all time.
@torahisgood
@torahisgood 3 жыл бұрын
1.wilt 2.Kareem 3.Shaq 4.Russell 5.hakeem
@cratwinterz200
@cratwinterz200 3 жыл бұрын
In the words of Shaq. “You’re not taking me over Hakeem, cause I’m not taking me over him.”
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
*Hakeem Olajuwon lost in the First Round to the team whose best player was Dale Ellis.* Hakeem lost twice to Dale Ellis. 1987 WCSF: Sonics vs Rockets ( 4:2 ). *Hakeem lost to a team that failed to win even 40 games.* *Hakeem Olajuwon 8 times lost in the First Round and missed the Playoffs in his Prime.* Shaquille O"Neal is better than Hakeem.
@runforrestrun7112
@runforrestrun7112 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Is this the real Allan Houston the NBA player?
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@runforrestrun7112 No.
@benjaminan1183
@benjaminan1183 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Ben Wallace isn't much better than Dale Ellis & Shaq lost to a team lead by him, while having a top 15 player ever in Kobe on his roster. 🏀 is a team sport.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminan1183 Stop raving. Ben Wallace is much better than Dale Ellis and the Pistons are much beter than the Sonics. The Sonics were an average team.The Pistons were title contenders. 2004/2006 Pistons: Ben Wallace, Rashed Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Richard Hamilton. *Hakeem Olajuwon lost in the First Round to a fairly average team.*
@thedude3140
@thedude3140 3 жыл бұрын
I got Hakeem he’s my dude and is the most ideal center ever
@matthewsmith1779
@matthewsmith1779 3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@mallcop9979
@mallcop9979 3 жыл бұрын
Kareem In my opinion amazing defender and has an unstoppable move my offense can reliably use
@_1luljayyy
@_1luljayyy 3 жыл бұрын
Kareem is better but Hakeem is more skill and a better defender Kareem is just more accomplished
@saadmanbinwarsi719
@saadmanbinwarsi719 3 жыл бұрын
his idol kareem is better
@saadmanbinwarsi719
@saadmanbinwarsi719 3 жыл бұрын
@Robert Likesdonuts no, wilt is 2nd kareem is 1st
@toddstamos89
@toddstamos89 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with shooting and efficiency is that they need context. Shaq needed people to get him the ball and set him up. Hakeem didn’t. He could get the ball on the outside and make his own offense. He often did.
@GABEMOORE533
@GABEMOORE533 3 жыл бұрын
WELL SAID ,. MY. MAN . PEOPLE. KEEP. OVERLOOKING. THAT .>🎤
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
So true.
@Stanstilly
@Stanstilly 2 жыл бұрын
Not true. Shaq had nice handles for a big man. Go back and do your homework.
@paquitocauli5229
@paquitocauli5229 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stanstilly What kind of response is that? "Do your homework?" Seriously? Shaq does not have handles that Olajuwon have. Not even close. He can't do crossover on opposing big men AND guards. Shaq definetly doesn't have a polished outside game. Do you ever see guards (Kobe Bryant) and forwards (Le Flop) trying to learn footwork from Shaq? Guess where they try to learn their footwork from? The man was trying to say, Olajuwon can create his own offense. He can shoot a reliable 18 footer and have enough handles to embarass some guards to the hoop. Get your nose out of Shaq's ass and do YOUR homework. Clown.
@Jburneyjr
@Jburneyjr 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stanstilly the amount of times Shaq brought the ball up the floor compared to Hakeem isn't even close. That's mainly because Shaq wanted to get the post up as low as possible
@TownBwoy
@TownBwoy 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem is better in my opinion. Had the toughest road to a chip. Won back to back before Jordan came. Beat Shaq head to head. Skill set wise, Hakeem can be dominant and he had a jumper, let’s not forget the three he hit on Shaq to end the series. Also Hakeem is arguably the best defender ever. 😂 A center that is top 10 in steals and first in blocks. 2x dpoy. 3x block leader and an offensive skill set like that. Crazy.
@bendeuitch4957
@bendeuitch4957 3 жыл бұрын
yea same I agree
@evolve777
@evolve777 3 жыл бұрын
skill wise, theres no comparison. Hakeem's foot work is unmatched
@leadbyexampleboxingandfitn2800
@leadbyexampleboxingandfitn2800 3 жыл бұрын
Hate greats in the early 70s and prior didn't get certain stats Imagine how many blocks Nate Thurmond, wilt, walt Bellamy even the OG Mikan would have Wilt is the most dominant ever stat wise Shaq most overpowering Hakeem most skilled
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@muhammadrajput3502 Stop it. Shaq is better than Hakeem.
@TownBwoy
@TownBwoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Lemme see Shaq average 37.5 and 15.4 rebounds 2.3 steals and 2.8 blocks on 57% fg in a playoff season. Hell he swept Shaq and put 32 11 and 5 with 2 blocks and 2 steals and he had the most points in all games. 😂💀
@BarackOsama69420
@BarackOsama69420 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I got Hakeem but much respect to The Diesel.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem was very good in 1994 and 1995. But he"s no better than Shaq.
@remynogueira8649
@remynogueira8649 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq
@remynogueira8649
@remynogueira8649 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 yess Allan Houston your like the only other person in this comment section with basketball IQ Shaq is a beast and it’s and obvious decision
@hepwo91222
@hepwo91222 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 1995 Shaq won a scoring title, it was his 3rd season, Magic beat the Bulls in 6 on their way to the Finals. They got swept in the Finals by a 6th seed Rockets team that had the best center of his generation, Hakeem The Dream Olajuwon.
@Defender78
@Defender78 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq is the better singer "I'm Outstanding" and actor "Kazaam"
@STONESGAM
@STONESGAM 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq was very difficult to deal with due to his size but I enjoyed Hakeem's game a lot more. He was a better shooter and more skilled. Shaq had a legit superstar in Kobe as a teammate when he won his titles. Hakeem had a solid supporting cast but no real stars when he won his titles. I pick the dream.
@theesotaricitalian6338
@theesotaricitalian6338 4 ай бұрын
By solid you mean a weak supporting supporting cast? No all stars for the first title.
@lancertheanswer6351
@lancertheanswer6351 3 жыл бұрын
What I like about this vid is that he paid respects to the greatness of Hakeem without disrespecting Shaq's.
@davidmartinez52420
@davidmartinez52420 3 жыл бұрын
Too many people can't seem to do that nowadays. It's to the point where often times the person you're talking to will automatically assume you're disrespecting Player B for saying Player A is better when you weren't disrespecting Player B at all. Just because someone thinks one player is better doesn't automatically mean they're saying the lesser player is trash.
@hinika
@hinika 3 жыл бұрын
And he does that in all of his videos. He respects the greatness of other players without being disrespectful to others.
@bobbysmoove4796
@bobbysmoove4796 3 жыл бұрын
RIGHT! Completely unbiased and still showing respect to both players👏🏾
@nolanscripture
@nolanscripture 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem for me. He dominated David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, and Shaq in the playoffs during those two championship runs in the mid-90s. That alone puts him first in his era at his position imo. I'd only put Kareem and Wilt ahead of him at center.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq also dominated Hakeem. 1995 Nba Finals. Rockets vs Magic ( 4:0 ). *Shaquille O"Neal= 28- 12- 6, FG-58%.* *Hakeem Olajuwon= 33- 11- 5, FG-48%.* 1999 WCFR: Lakers vs Rockets ( 3:1 ). *Shaquille O"Neal= 29- 10- 4, FG-52%.* *Hakeem Olajuwon=13- 7- 1, FG-42%.*
@remynogueira8649
@remynogueira8649 3 жыл бұрын
you mean shaq
@FAlynn92
@FAlynn92 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 again, I don't mean to invalidate what it is you are saying, but you are cherry picking specific examples. The Rockets won the 95 finals in a sweep, so I don't think Shaq dominated anything. He simply got his stats. and 1999 was far past Olajuwon's prime. Remember, he was drafted in 1984, that's a 15 year difference.
@elliottpierce9823
@elliottpierce9823 3 жыл бұрын
Bill Russel I would also put ahead.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@FAlynn92 1995 Nba Finals. The Orlando Magic were a talented team. But they didn"t have enough experience. On an individual level, Shaq was no worse than Hakeem. Hakeem did not outplayed him. 1999 WCFR: *Charles Barkley=23- 13- 4, FG-53%.* *Scotte Pippen - All-Defensive First Team ( 1999 ).* But Hakeem Olajuwon still lost even with that help.
@Ivander85
@Ivander85 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Hakeem was able to top all these other great C's from his era while often being a bit smaller (was he really 7ft tall? I don't think so...) and a bit lighter than all just shows how insanely talented he was. Shaq was a force of nature and had a tendency to coast a bit due to his size. I believe he could have been even better if he took his conditioning a bit more serious. Hakeem was a workhorse in comparison.
@mikelee5900
@mikelee5900 2 жыл бұрын
6"10in a half
@calebdejoun939
@calebdejoun939 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikelee5900 nah his 7’0
@mikelee5900
@mikelee5900 2 жыл бұрын
@@calebdejoun939 actually he was a little over 6 10 and a half in bear feet wasn't a true 7 feet he's my all time favorite player to this day and for them to put him at 13 of all time greats is wrong top 10 for sure.
@shaaflodi9954
@shaaflodi9954 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikelee5900 he is 611 not 7 foot
@mikelee5900
@mikelee5900 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaaflodi9954 that's what i said he wasn't 7 foot a shade over 6 10in a half
@samweltan3353
@samweltan3353 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, Hakeem beat Shaq so bad he never disrespected him ever again.
@CW-hq2qr
@CW-hq2qr 3 жыл бұрын
That’s actually a pretty well known misconception. Shaq had great stats against Hakeem, but Hakeem was just that much better
@jeremytucker8853
@jeremytucker8853 3 жыл бұрын
Not true, Shaq averaged more points in the finals against Hakeem. He was just impressed with Hakeems foot work.
@CW-hq2qr
@CW-hq2qr 3 жыл бұрын
@Jackstar769 Shaq put up 28 and 13 up against Hakeem. Those r great numbers ur just misremembering that Shaq played great too. Hakeem was better that finals for sure, but it’s not like Shaq had a meltdown like Lebron did in the finals
@jeremytucker8853
@jeremytucker8853 3 жыл бұрын
@Jackstar769 It doesn't matter if Shaq was felt bad after that series. Facts remain the same. He wasn't even in his prime yet and he still put up better scoring than Hakeem. Not to minimize Hakeem but he has been bounced from the 1st round of the playoffs 8x in his career. Shaq, never. Shaq also dominated longer with more championships and final MVPs than Hakeem.
@jeremytucker8853
@jeremytucker8853 3 жыл бұрын
@Jackstar769 Shaq's team got swept by Houston. They all went limp on the big stage. From free throws to shooting the three. Shaq was the only player who's numbers were higher than regular season. Everyone else numbers were down. Houston? Every player on that roster had more stats than their regular season stats for that series. Kenny Smith set an NBA record for most 3 pointers in a finals at that time.
@C.P.Brown_
@C.P.Brown_ 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem is the BEST center that I've had the privilege of watching during my lifetime. The MOST versatile center period. & Shaq is the MOST dominant center that I've ever seen.
@yvesgysel9834
@yvesgysel9834 3 жыл бұрын
I agree totally with your summary. I still love Shaq.
@masterchief5833
@masterchief5833 3 жыл бұрын
What the hell do you even mean with dominant you guys are fucking confusing me.
@takeover2x35
@takeover2x35 3 жыл бұрын
@@masterchief5833 dominant like playing his role in paint like being unstoppable
@alanpuffs5399
@alanpuffs5399 3 жыл бұрын
@@masterchief5833 dominant as in bigger stronger than anyone else, the only men that actually attempted to bully shaq was rodman and ben wallace, david robinson tried but you seen the highlights of what shaq did to that man.
@albertpringle4918
@albertpringle4918 3 жыл бұрын
I'll buy that for a dollar 💲
@silvershelbygt500
@silvershelbygt500 3 жыл бұрын
I loved Hakeem back in the day. He doesn't get enough love today.
@jasondyrkacz8270
@jasondyrkacz8270 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody ever faults the Rockets picking Hakeem in 1984.
@innosanto
@innosanto 8 ай бұрын
Maybe because of Shaq but the comparison would require analysis.
@nimaf.2177
@nimaf.2177 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem: more skilled Shaq: more dominant
@II55555
@II55555 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem: better
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
1996 WCSF: Sonics vs Rockets ( 4:0 ). Game 1, *Hakeem Olajuwon=6-Points, on 33%.* The Rockets won the title just a year ago. Hakeem had a Clyde Drexler. Hakeem is very good, but he is no better than Shaquille O"Neal.
@FAlynn92
@FAlynn92 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 to be fair, you did cherry pick one bad game, and the rockets (who if I recall correctly) didn't even have home court advantage in 1995 were probably not as good a team in 1996. Not a rockets fan, just pointing out that the occasional bad game doesn't diminish what a great player has accomplished, or make them inferior to someone they bested in a sweep the year before.
@bassheadchilled1344
@bassheadchilled1344 3 жыл бұрын
shaq had a bevy of skills in the post his peak years than we all give him credit for BUT stl have hakeem ahead of o'neal all time ( 10 & 11 )
@mandodelossantos2
@mandodelossantos2 3 жыл бұрын
Can't be dominant if you can't shoot or defend the pick and roll
@TriforceRich
@TriforceRich 3 жыл бұрын
Always remember this, when MJ went out Hakeem made it clear he was next in line. That was in an era of many top 50 players of all time.
@raymundfernandez4172
@raymundfernandez4172 3 жыл бұрын
When God is not around Titans are playing. Black Jezuz in diamond center is dominant
@mandodelossantos2
@mandodelossantos2 3 жыл бұрын
Olajuwon dominated Jordan up to that point won 11 out of 16 games belonged to Olajuwon
@mandodelossantos2
@mandodelossantos2 3 жыл бұрын
@@raymundfernandez4172 Jordan is no God to Olajuwon
@FuShengAlex
@FuShengAlex 3 жыл бұрын
Pfft olajuwon was beasting in the NBA even Jordan was there
@octopus8420
@octopus8420 3 жыл бұрын
Bulls would have lost both years. Btw MJ played 95 playoffs
@williamkoscielniak7871
@williamkoscielniak7871 2 жыл бұрын
Hakeem won a championship with role players, and then the year after that led a team to four straight road playoff series's with victories over both David Robinson and Shaq. He also helped lead his team to the finals in '86 and was able to help his team get two wins against the legendary '86 Celtics. Give Hakeem a great wing player for his whole career and he'd be in everyone's GOAT conversation. I wouldn't take any center over Hakeem.
@jamoa3395
@jamoa3395 Жыл бұрын
No Jordan?
@phillipschuman4307
@phillipschuman4307 Жыл бұрын
@@jamoa3395 Hakeem's Rockets had a winning record v the Jordan Bulls. Their record went to 11-5, before Chicago made it closer. As Jordan said, 'we have no answer for the big African.'
@sambeezy007
@sambeezy007 Жыл бұрын
​@@phillipschuman4307I honestly would build my team around Hakeem or 1967 Wilt over Jordan.
@texasturner2313
@texasturner2313 Жыл бұрын
I’m taking Hakeem over any other center every time.
@phillipschuman4307
@phillipschuman4307 Жыл бұрын
@@texasturner2313 Kareem dropped 40 on Hakeem in the season when he was age of 37-38-- not just once, but 3x in that season. Prime Kareem would have done more. (Hakeem did not score 40 even once vs. old Kareem.) That same year, he also put a 40 piece on Patrick Ewing. At that age, he couldn't do it all the time, at will, like he could in his prime, but when motivated he could still bring it. Hakeem was great, but several were greater.
@hansonlee5847
@hansonlee5847 3 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, Inside the NBA hosts Charles Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny debated on their top 10 center picks. One time, Kenny tried to dispute why Charles didn't pick Shaq as top 10 because Charles chose Hakeem over Shaq. Even, Shaq humbly admitted that he thinks Hakeem was the better player
@TheChosenMoose01
@TheChosenMoose01 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq has openly stated that he doesn't think he's the best center, but the most dominate player of all time.
@TheFadedSpade35
@TheFadedSpade35 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheChosenMoose01 most dominant is Wilt or Shaq
@Umairalimp
@Umairalimp 3 жыл бұрын
Most dominant is definitely wilt. A Freaking athletic monster period.
@davidmartinez52420
@davidmartinez52420 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheChosenMoose01 Shaq also stated once that there were very few players he faced that he had true respect for. Hakeem was one of those players though.
@Idontknowanyoda1
@Idontknowanyoda1 3 жыл бұрын
Kenny was even a Houston Rocket player and saw it all
@markuscordova2246
@markuscordova2246 3 жыл бұрын
The way Dream played in 93-95 playoffs, in both those years, is the greatest center of all time.
@neal6473
@neal6473 2 жыл бұрын
I say from 92 to 95.
@Unitas19
@Unitas19 2 жыл бұрын
True.
@lamle4372
@lamle4372 Жыл бұрын
Ask MJ. He agrees.
@marckellough529
@marckellough529 8 ай бұрын
How can anyone be the goat jjust based on what he did in a two year period?? That's ridiculous!! What about the other 16 years when he was eliminated in the first round 8 times?? Oh excuse me I guess that doesn't count
@northernlight1000
@northernlight1000 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem Dominated every great big of his time: Ewing, Robinson, Malone, Kareem, and even Shaq!
@andreaspapadakis2602
@andreaspapadakis2602 3 жыл бұрын
all exept one! and he wasnt even that big at least vertically...
@UnknownTheGreatest72829
@UnknownTheGreatest72829 3 жыл бұрын
This stat does need context tho
@Rianme1ster
@Rianme1ster 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq wasn't in his prime though.
@toogieross
@toogieross 3 жыл бұрын
@@Rianme1ster shaq led the league in scoring and took magic to the finals in 94 but wasn't in his prime? What did he do differently in the prime you're referring to? Not go up against Jordan or Hakeem and added all star kobe...
@northernlight1000
@northernlight1000 3 жыл бұрын
@@toogieross exactly
@illwill2survive
@illwill2survive 3 жыл бұрын
The argument about star teammates won me over to the dream side. I was too young to appreciate hakeem’s illustrious career. His two way abilities and the fact he won 2 titles without another all star/all pro gives him the edge over diesel
@PhoenixAscending
@PhoenixAscending 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, shaq couldn't lead a team like hakeem did. I watched them both, and always thought hakeem was better. He may be the best center of all time
@aaronc2300
@aaronc2300 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah right. Clyde Drexler. Sam Cassell. Robert Horry. Vernon Maxwell. Kenny Smith. That team was loaded buddy. Shaq went to a finals everywhere he went!
@aaronc2300
@aaronc2300 3 жыл бұрын
@@PhoenixAscending Shaq was the v the team!
@brando4422
@brando4422 3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronc2300 look at who Hakeem played with through out his career, decent but not great. Horry isn't special if he is so is Steve Kerr also both avg.6 points. Had Drexler in 95 to 98 in his mid 30s cassel was a decent rookie in 94 good teams those 2 year's but Shaq had way way more help. Loaded Magic team then Kobe and Loaded lakers and loaded Heat he played about 15 yrs on stacked teams to Hakeems teo studded team's then old ass Barkley and Pippen when he was 34 and up. Shaq played with the 3 guys people were comparing to MJ. Penny the next in line after Jordan then it was Kobe then he played with Wade who looked like MJ dominating when he played with Shaq.
@coloneldusty4476
@coloneldusty4476 3 жыл бұрын
He’s overrated. He wasn’t as consistent. 8 first round exits. Including 5 in a row dead smack in the prime of his career. Shaq went 13 seasons between first round exits
@shelenanorman8411
@shelenanorman8411 3 жыл бұрын
First of all that was the greatest era for big men in NBA history. The 80's and 90's is an era that can't be replaced. I have to go with Hakeem as well. For those of us who lived through that era.....Hakeem was the first big man I ever saw who totally EMBARRASSED...I mean EMBARRASSED big men who tried to guard him. Another thing that made him a terror was the fact that you didn't know what he was going to do from 18 feet away from the basket. He had a jumper from there, so do you stay home and give him the jumper, or do you guard the big man with the little man foot work. He was a dangerous man.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
True, But if Duncan went by the proper position that he is he would be a top 5 center.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Norman Bro, I feel your pain. I'm a Knicks Fan Hakeem use to abuse Ewing made him look slow like a telephone pole.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
@Ryan Norman You seem like a sensible dude, who would you draft if you had to choose between Hakeem & Tim Duncan?
@kevinthomes1046
@kevinthomes1046 2 жыл бұрын
@@Peakfreud This is not even close. Hakeem. As great as Duncan was he is not in Hakeem's league.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinthomes1046 I respect The Dream, he school Ewing and my Knicks, and embarrassed Shaq a couple of times. But to say Tim ain't in his league.. I'm not so sure about that bro.
@Iyi..
@Iyi.. 3 жыл бұрын
Jonny is the goat because of how his facts are almost always correct, isn't biased, shows the goods and bads of NBA players and doesn't exaggerate things!
@dennisc2154
@dennisc2154 3 жыл бұрын
Agree ..one of the best basketball channel right now 👍
@PhillipCummingsUSA
@PhillipCummingsUSA 3 жыл бұрын
We know his bias is with anything regarding the Lakers. But he tries to control that bias as much as possible.
@bradenwright2586
@bradenwright2586 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was really biased. Didn't even bring up zone defense being changed to stop Shaq!!! Biggest fact there is, they changed the rules for Wilt too. Nothing for Hakeem
@MrE_
@MrE_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@bradenwright2586 but then again, he didn't mention that Hakeem was in the same era as Michael Fricken Jordan, which would also hinder your individual accolades
@bradenwright2586
@bradenwright2586 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrE_ True dat. Although if Michael didn't retire who knows if the Rocket would have any rings, personal I think they would have still snagged one. I would have loved to see Shaq in his prime play a Jordan team in his prime. We got a little glimpse but I want more!
@tdvu
@tdvu 3 жыл бұрын
With his skillset and agility, can you imagine the damage he'd do in this league today?
@bofallhihaj4745
@bofallhihaj4745 3 жыл бұрын
True, he would also add a 3-point jumper to his game! Can you imagine?!
@NotGord
@NotGord 2 жыл бұрын
Hakeem? Not shaq right😂
@snock5487
@snock5487 2 жыл бұрын
@@NotGord both actually, unless it's fat Shaq in his late years, but specially his years in Orlando he played like Giannis does, and we know how dominant that f ker is
@bloodysunday3261
@bloodysunday3261 Жыл бұрын
@@snock5487 Shaq did not play like Giannis lol Jesus Christ. Could he have? Maybe a similar style, but he’s too damn big. He’d be a 7’2 Zion if anything.
@snock5487
@snock5487 Жыл бұрын
@@bloodysunday3261 have you seen early Orlando shaq? For me that really looks like Giannis, he was playing way more downhill and less post ups
@jefreetaleno323
@jefreetaleno323 3 жыл бұрын
The Dream was a beast! In my books the best center of all time.
@basketballfan1119
@basketballfan1119 3 жыл бұрын
Really? Where do you have him all time then?
@joebuck7495
@joebuck7495 3 жыл бұрын
Jordan, James, Bird, Magic, Olajuwon, Jabbar, Durant...
@jefreetaleno323
@jefreetaleno323 3 жыл бұрын
@@basketballfan1119 none of ur business that’s where
@ravingamer5750
@ravingamer5750 3 жыл бұрын
At the least a top 4 center
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
*Hakeem Olajuwon 8 times lost in the first round and missed the Playofs in his prime.* Kareem >>> Shaq >> Hakeem.
@suhailrefaye92
@suhailrefaye92 3 жыл бұрын
I always keep oscillating between the two of them. Now I've made up my mind thanks to you. Dream all the way.
@derekgreen7319
@derekgreen7319 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem has one of the single greatest seasons ever.
@ericb7776
@ericb7776 11 ай бұрын
MVP FMVP DPOY
@VL1728
@VL1728 3 жыл бұрын
Defense and rebounding won me over. For Shaq to never win a rebound title is astonishing
@Navvye
@Navvye 3 жыл бұрын
This Video was so heavily requested by us! Thank you for delivering as always!
@piedpiped3267
@piedpiped3267 3 жыл бұрын
Before starting. It’s Hakeem for me. He’s the greatest center of all time for me. Mainly for the reason that he was the best big man in the golden age of big man. While Kareem played in an era where the only good centers were him, Moses Malone, and maaaybe Dave Cowins, and Bill Walton. Same with Shaq, during the 2000s there was him, Dikembe Mutumbo, and out of prime David Robinson
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
*Hakeem Olajuwon 8 times lost in the First Round and missed the Playoffs in his Prime.* Hakeem is not the greatest Center of all-time.
@toogieross
@toogieross 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Kareem missed playoffs twice in his prime.
@micahkiyimba8641
@micahkiyimba8641 3 жыл бұрын
Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT at Center.... If not him... Kareem is better.
@remynogueira8649
@remynogueira8649 3 жыл бұрын
You mean shaq
@bazingacurta2567
@bazingacurta2567 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, during the 2000s Tim Duncan was already retired, right? That is one case of severe amnesia.
@skolcole
@skolcole 2 жыл бұрын
BRING BACK THIS SERIES JONNY!! Wilt vs Kareem Stockton vs West Robinson vs Moses….There’s so many of these that would make great videos. You could even use current players with an *as of current year* disclaimer like Giannis vs Dirk, Curry vs Magic, Durant vs Dr. J, Kawhi vs Pippen, etc.
@jasonsalazar9711
@jasonsalazar9711 Жыл бұрын
Wilt West Moses Giannis Magic Durant Kawhi
@Yungteasipppppa
@Yungteasipppppa Жыл бұрын
@@jasonsalazar9711all W
@arigross6822
@arigross6822 11 ай бұрын
How about: Wilt vs Shaq Hakeem vs Bill Russell Kareem vs Tim Duncan (If the last two are too one-sided, how about The Dream vs. The Big Fundamental?)
@Nbaknowlegde
@Nbaknowlegde 2 ай бұрын
@@jasonsalazar9711Kareem is better sorry to break it to you
@jasonsalazar9711
@jasonsalazar9711 2 ай бұрын
@@Nbaknowlegde no he isn't. Sorry to break it to you.
@eurofam7475
@eurofam7475 3 жыл бұрын
Do Jason Kidd and Steven Nash next! 😁🥴🤝
@painmaster8165
@painmaster8165 3 жыл бұрын
Yes!!!!!!!!!!
@saadmanbinwarsi719
@saadmanbinwarsi719 3 жыл бұрын
nash and stockton would be better because these close friends have more similarities between them against nash-kidd or stockton-kidd
@eliekazmouz4450
@eliekazmouz4450 3 жыл бұрын
Steve wins easy
@eliekazmouz4450
@eliekazmouz4450 3 жыл бұрын
@@muhammadrajput3502 steph no doubt
@eurofam7475
@eurofam7475 3 жыл бұрын
@@eliekazmouz4450 Scoring: Nash Passing: Tie (I haven’t done research to declare the verdict for this category) Efficiency: Nash Defense: Kidd Accolades: ?
@siriusblack7714
@siriusblack7714 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing the dream love, he doesnt get enough credit from mainstream media
@petercook9348
@petercook9348 3 жыл бұрын
I’m a huge huge Hakeem fan. Between these 2 you are splitting hairs. I honestly think the big difference is in defence. A lot of other stats are pretty similar. But olajuwon was a superstar defender. With all defence and all nba teams. A lot of shaqs career was in an era of aging great centres or when it was weak. For Hakeem he had to beat out Ewing, Robinson, Motumbo and others to earn all nba and all defence honours.
@lamle4372
@lamle4372 Жыл бұрын
Defender numerous uno. Period. Jordan was an equal. And maybe Russell his superior but hard to say, different era.
@thedreamcollector622
@thedreamcollector622 Жыл бұрын
@@lamle4372 Bill Russell was a great defender. Maybe the best. But was not his league on offence. Jordan, Kobe and Hakeem would battle out best 2 way players.
@hassanbaig8734
@hassanbaig8734 8 ай бұрын
@@thedreamcollector622 Hakeem was better defensively than jordan and kobe what are you talking about🤣
@EJD339
@EJD339 3 жыл бұрын
If Shaq would have taken care of himself and actually practiced hard, I’d imagine this debate would be closer.
@unopaz4970
@unopaz4970 3 жыл бұрын
He honestly might be the GOAT tbh
@athom716
@athom716 3 жыл бұрын
Fair, but Shaq got to drop rap albums and play a kid's genie in a Hollywood movie and be an early investor in Google. He was busy playing the side quests while Hakeem was slightly better at the main mission.
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636
@joeyjo-joshabadu9636 2 жыл бұрын
@@athom716 but Hakeem ended up making a killing in real estate after he retired so you can't say he didn't make good life choices also
@Bigedub101
@Bigedub101 Жыл бұрын
Man I know Shaq one of the greatest Centers but during the time of Shaq prime, I felt Shaq should been as dominant as Wilt was cause if wasn't a big even close go good as him
@ostuw
@ostuw 3 жыл бұрын
This is a really great video these centers are some of the best ever
@erickgross984
@erickgross984 3 жыл бұрын
Great Job! The Dream & any one who can Hoop during RAMADAN is head & heels above his competition
@jude7709
@jude7709 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!! Hakeem is one of the most underrated players ever and is IMO a top 2 Center ever
@ronaldoz-d
@ronaldoz-d 3 жыл бұрын
ummmm bill russell. i got hakeem at 3 tho
@ronaldoz-d
@ronaldoz-d 3 жыл бұрын
@Max Jacob Ishimwe got him at 4 behind 1 kareem 2 bill 3 hakeem and ahead of 5 wilt
@harmanjotsingh4230
@harmanjotsingh4230 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldoz-d yeah I got Hakeem behind Kareem and Wilt
@MinoSeven
@MinoSeven 3 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldoz-d Hakeem can do anything Russell can do on the defense end but Is 20 times Better o offense...
@THECaseyTroutman
@THECaseyTroutman 3 жыл бұрын
@@MinoSeven hen why does Russel have 11 rings?
@jackmeyer8656
@jackmeyer8656 3 жыл бұрын
Also, Shaq didn’t have to play MJ for most of his career.
@MrE_
@MrE_ 3 жыл бұрын
The one thing Shaq can say is that he was the one to eliminate MJ in his "prime" in the playoffs in '95. But then Hakeem beat the team that beat the bulls so yea...I guess Hakeem wins no matter what
@THECaseyTroutman
@THECaseyTroutman 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrE_ It wasn't really prime MJ though he only came back for a couple weeks before that series and he wasn't quite in basketball shape yet, just look at happened in 1996
@MrE_
@MrE_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@THECaseyTroutman *"prime"*
@carlmitchell816
@carlmitchell816 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrE_ that wasnt prime mike he just got back they swept the magic the next year
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrE_ look at all these EXCUSES that these clowns are making for MJ getting his ass kicked by the Magic 😂
@Milordvega
@Milordvega 3 жыл бұрын
I myself would normally pick Shaq because he was just so dominant. His 1999-200 up to 2000-2001 threepeat years with the Lakers were even better than Hakeem's peak years. But you pointed out how Shaq played with greater teammates. And I myself can't fathom how Shaq's teams (despite very good to great supporting casts) kept getting swept 4-0 in many playoff years, including to Hakeem's Rockets in 1995, to MJ's Bulls in 1996, to Mailman's Jazz in 1998 (after losing 4-1 the year before), to Duncan and Admiral's Spurs in 1999, even to the Bulls in the first round as defending champions in 2007....you get the picture. Hakeem
@kermit1056
@kermit1056 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem>Shaq, close but clear
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
1989 WCFR: Sonics vs Rockets ( 3:1 ). *Hakeem Olajuwon lost in the First Round to the team whose best player was Dale Ellis.* 1987 WCSF: Sonics vs Rockets ( 4:2 ). *Hakeem Olajuwon lost to a team that failed to win even 40 games.* Hakeem lost twice to Dale Ellis. Hakeem couldn"t even beat Dale Ellis. So how can he be better than Shaq ? ?
@theslothboy7498
@theslothboy7498 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 watch the video
@dashboardmoney5743
@dashboardmoney5743 3 жыл бұрын
@Allan Houston damn stop cherrypicking bad games every player has off games including shaq and you are just taking them out of context. Even the greatest like mj or LeBron has many off games
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@dashboardmoney5743 Hakeem lost to quite average teams. Hakeem 8 times lost in the First Round. Hakeem is in the top ten. But he is no better than Shaquille O"Neal.
@yvans.
@yvans. 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Give Hakeem a Kobe, Penny or D.Wade in his prime please put some context to all of that. Shaq never had a bad team.
@dylanszafryk8702
@dylanszafryk8702 3 жыл бұрын
Criminally underrated. Great video
@tubx3805
@tubx3805 11 ай бұрын
Hakeem is a complete player. Shaq is all about bully ball. The game has evolved to where centers like Shaq are obsolete. Hakeem remains relevant even in today's game. Mount Rushmore of great NBA centers: Jabbar, Chamberlain, Russell, Olajuwon
@zachlavine5606
@zachlavine5606 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem is a monster with post moves
@syedali2427
@syedali2427 3 жыл бұрын
It’s me artis lol
@dabarnes12
@dabarnes12 3 жыл бұрын
The play that seals it for me is the Dream's block on Starks.
@UzoGeoffMediaMinistries
@UzoGeoffMediaMinistries 3 жыл бұрын
Great analyst and wonderful analysis. I totally agree with you, sir.
@janirosario5751
@janirosario5751 3 жыл бұрын
Bro this is the reason I love ur videos. Ur detailed analysis is amazing. I had Shaq ahead of Hakeem on my list but u literally changed my mind. Keep em coming.
@enochp.3547
@enochp.3547 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Jonny❤keep putting more content out I'm loving it
@arch8748
@arch8748 3 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite video on your channel. Hakeem is so underrated. If Hakeem had Shaw’s help he would be in the goat conversation with Lebron and MJ. I liked the stat at how he is the best scorer out of all the multiple time DPOY’s. That shows his two way dominance. He is arguably the best defender ever, and arguably the most skilled offense center ever. How don’t more poeple have him top 5?
@lamle4372
@lamle4372 Жыл бұрын
Yes.
@yshrha10
@yshrha10 3 жыл бұрын
My greatest dilemma. Who was the better center??? So glad Jonny's covering this! lol
@drod1167
@drod1167 3 жыл бұрын
Jonny with another banger mayne. I'd have to pick Hakeem
@reidkg12
@reidkg12 3 ай бұрын
good video. All I can say is I watched Hakeem play through his entire career and he was very fun to watch play basketball.
@NewAgeSlaves
@NewAgeSlaves 3 жыл бұрын
The moment we've all been waiting for
@Umairalimp
@Umairalimp 3 жыл бұрын
Jonny ur videos are superb maann.!! No bias..true to facts..polite n candid presentation. Kudos.! U r worthy a million subs atleast. Basketball fan frm India and Jonny one of ma favourite youtuber.
@jasonjaeger4860
@jasonjaeger4860 3 жыл бұрын
This one of the best comparison videos out there. Thanks for the video!
@danielarmenta7945
@danielarmenta7945 3 жыл бұрын
Love this video. This has always been something I've gone back and forth with.
@kylelowry1521
@kylelowry1521 3 жыл бұрын
Its not even a day old
@samuelsmith25
@samuelsmith25 3 жыл бұрын
@@kylelowry1521: I think you misunderstood the comment
@MyYTwatcher
@MyYTwatcher 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq will remain unforgetable player in NBA. But Dream is much better basketball player. Shaq got where he got using his physique. Dream had skill.
@bassheadchilled1344
@bassheadchilled1344 3 жыл бұрын
shaq also developed post skills in the threepeat years thag enabled him to pass out of double teams more consistently and sometimes use finesse post moves, he had nimble feet too
@MyYTwatcher
@MyYTwatcher 3 жыл бұрын
@@bassheadchilled1344 Oh he was excellent athlete for his size. He was unbelievably quick and agile. But basketball skill wise he was light years behind Hakeem. Please do not take this that I consider Shaq as a bad player. I am quite confident that he knew what were his strong and weak sides and he knew how to use/avoid them.
@bassheadchilled1344
@bassheadchilled1344 3 жыл бұрын
@@MyYTwatcher not at all I just want to inform other people that shaq had skills too it's just that he was too dominant for casual fans to notice but yeah hakeem was just too damn skilled with his footwork
@bassheadchilled1344
@bassheadchilled1344 3 жыл бұрын
@The Ultimate you needed correct spelling more than shaq needed refs
@manemane5642
@manemane5642 3 жыл бұрын
@@bassheadchilled1344 Your rite but if look at Shaw's Skill set minus his Dunks he was at times a bigger Version of Hakeem !!
@treystyles3760
@treystyles3760 2 жыл бұрын
Great series. Even Shaq bows to the dream!
@futureDreamer4
@futureDreamer4 3 жыл бұрын
To me The Dream is the greatest big man of all time.
@karo3529
@karo3529 3 жыл бұрын
True that. And highly underrated
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem was the greatest of his era but not greater than Wilt
@ave204
@ave204 3 жыл бұрын
not better than kareem
@bastadimasta
@bastadimasta 3 жыл бұрын
@@ave204 much better than Kareem in terms of basketball
@ave204
@ave204 3 жыл бұрын
@@bastadimasta not really everyone in the history of having a brain thinks kareem is higher all time than hakeem
@MrDarknesstolight
@MrDarknesstolight 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis. Totally agree. Always loved Hakeem
@AravindhanB-g1t
@AravindhanB-g1t 4 ай бұрын
Man I absolutely loved this video. The way you compare the facts and take the context for the shooting percentages really made me happy.
@duffypratt
@duffypratt 2 жыл бұрын
Hakeem. The one thing you didn’t mention is how they performed head to head. Not totally fair because they were at different points in their careers, but Hakeem got the better of Shaq when they met (and of every other great center - Robinson, Ewing etc…)
@safeandeffectivelol
@safeandeffectivelol Жыл бұрын
Shaq had 3 full years under his belt by that time, so it wasn't like he was a rookie.
@lamle4372
@lamle4372 Жыл бұрын
​@@safeandeffectivelolhis skills are the same no matter age. Dominating atheleticim for his size.
@alexjenkinson5813
@alexjenkinson5813 3 жыл бұрын
Just a suggestion to use PER for the efficiency category. It’s literally THE category to measure how efficient a player is
@ikarugaxx3749
@ikarugaxx3749 10 ай бұрын
From a career-long Olajuwon fan: thanks so much for putting the number of Rings Hakeew could win in a light of objectivity. He never had a team worth having him - Drexler and Barkley were near their expiration date when he got them on the team.
@kevinkhanhnara5036
@kevinkhanhnara5036 3 жыл бұрын
This is so tough to choose between the 2 they were both so dominant in there primes. I love Hakeem he is the my 2nd fav player ever but when I started watching basketball in the late 90'S I saw how dominant Shaq was and its hard to not to say Shaq but I would take either in a heartbeat to play as my center!
@energyzer_bunny1913
@energyzer_bunny1913 3 жыл бұрын
Fundamentally: Hakeem
@mutazzabduljalil1172
@mutazzabduljalil1172 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem was a 7 ft Jordan
@MazzaMedia_
@MazzaMedia_ 5 ай бұрын
Efficiency is not a tie. It goes to Hakeem. Hakeem took more shots further away from the basket than Shaq did.
@lasahe4440
@lasahe4440 3 жыл бұрын
The greatest center is Hakeem. Shaq was a beast , though.
@animeguitarguy
@animeguitarguy 3 жыл бұрын
MJ said Hakeem was the player he thought was most skilled (outside himself) which says it all for me. And I LOVE Shaq
@charliefierro3190
@charliefierro3190 Жыл бұрын
Only player in league history to ever to win, MVP 🏆 DPOTY, and Finals MVP in the same season Perhaps the greatest season in the history of modern professional sports. Master class at the highest level. When giants still roamed.
@jamesbeh1688
@jamesbeh1688 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq is one of my top 3 favorite players ever........But the fact that Hakeem won back-to-back with not ONE other all-star...........damn
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
1995 Rockets: Hakeem had a Clyde Drexler. By your logic, Dirk Nowitzki is in the top ten. 1996 WCSF: Sonics vs Rockets ( 4:0 ). Hakeem 8 times lost in the First Round and missed the Playoffs in his Prime. Hakeem is very good, but he is not better than Shaq.
@nolanscripture
@nolanscripture 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Dirk never won back to back so not sure where that comparison comes from.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@nolanscripture 1995 Rockets: Hakeem had a Clyde Drexler.
@nolanscripture
@nolanscripture 3 жыл бұрын
@@allanhouston6759 Not an all-star that season. Jonny even said as much in the video.
@allanhouston6759
@allanhouston6759 3 жыл бұрын
@@nolanscripture Clyde Drexler HoF.
@giovanni4u117
@giovanni4u117 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one! Great content my dude. Here is a versus request. Demarcus Cousins vs. Brittney Griner.
@jakejackson1189
@jakejackson1189 11 ай бұрын
The only reason I’d say the “if Jordan doesn’t exist in the 90s, Hakeem would’ve had a dynasty” take is invalid is cause Hakeem “only” made the finals twice in that decade
@seanrc8642
@seanrc8642 3 жыл бұрын
Both great, great players and terrific athletes. I’d also say they were both underrated mentally; time and time again they played intelligent ball. Shaq was the strongest player I ever witnessed, and remarkably agile for his size. He also had the will to dominate. But Hakeem was the most skilled and fluid big man to ever play. In the regular season, they were pretty equal scorers in their primes, but Hakeem was a much better playoff scorer. And I agree that defensively, it’s not even close. NBA players are too little rated on their play on both ends of the floor. Only Jordan and Wilt are better than Hakeem as a two-way player. Shaq was great but Hakeem was greater: the best big in the modern era.
@carrastealth
@carrastealth 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq had a great surge of his unstoppable prime. Mostly the 99-2002 version of himself. But you could argue that after his first Championship his work ethic went with it. Had Shaq had the work ethic or even 70% of the work ethic of Kobe, he could have been the GOAT. But he didn't, which is why he falls behind Hakeem imo. Shaq had the more explosive 2-3 seasons of being unstoppable but he couldn't sustain it. Hakeem sustained both offensively and ESPECIALLY defensively. And yeah if Hakeem had the same teams Shaq did, he'd probably have had 6-7 titles. He wouldn't have gotten surgery "on company time" he wouldn't have showed up to camp out of shape, he wouldn't have forced his way out of Los Angeles. I think Prime Hakeem and Prime Kobe with Phil Jackson coaching could probably have won more than 3 titles. Look at what Kobe did with Gasol, imagine if that was Hakeem.
@Ali-on8dc
@Ali-on8dc 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq never forced himself outta LA Kobe was the one who ran him off the team after 04 let’s be Fr here for a second
@carrastealth
@carrastealth 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ali-on8dc Shaq forced himself out of LA. He was the one that tried to leverage Jerry Buss for more money. He was the one that made a scene during pre-season screaming at him "EFFING PAY ME!!" and trying to pressure him into giving him much more money than he at the point in his career he was at was going to get. One thing you don't do, is you don't leverage Jerry Buss. Shaq tried to do that, and Buss traded him. Meanwhile Kobe was at Baskin and Robbins when he heard the news. Don't always trust the narrative, as the years went on the true story came out. Shaq got traded because he was being stupid towards Jerry Buss, not because Kobe 'forced him out'. So if you're being Fr, you'd know Kobe had nothing to do with Shaq's departure.
@Ali-on8dc
@Ali-on8dc 3 жыл бұрын
@@carrastealth yes Shaq wanted more money but Kobe always wanted the team for himself and was tired of being under Shaqs shadow Kobe didn’t just run Shaq off the team he ran the whole 3 peat lakers off as well including phil Jackson lmao that’s the fact of the matter at the end of the day Kobe went to the owner and told him it’s either me or Shaq and obviously Kobe was younger and in his prime Shaq was getting older so they chose Kobe. But yeah Kobe was the main factor in running the whole team off not just Shaq even Phil Jackson himself said it.
@Ali-on8dc
@Ali-on8dc 3 жыл бұрын
@@carrastealth so let’s stop with the fanboy shit I get it Kobe’s dead or whatever and y’all wanna defend his name and respect him or what not but this ain’t no narrative everyone knows Kobe was the one who ran Shaq and the whole 3 peat lakers team off cause Kobe wanted the team for himself and Kobe wanted to know what it felt like to be like the jordan who won scoring titles in the 80s so Kobe wanted to take as much shots as possible and win scoring titles so he could feel like what his idol jordan felt when jordan was winning scoring titles in the 80s once Kobe realized that don’t win u shit he got Phil Jackson back and got gasol and Bynum and Odom etc to come to the team so he could start winning again that’s the reality of the matter.
@carrastealth
@carrastealth 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ali-on8dc Sorry to tell you, but Kobe didn't run Shaq off the team. Shaq ran himself off the team by trying to leverage Jerry Buss. Shaq has pretty much said it himself that it was him asking and trying to leverage Jerry Buss more money and then Jerry Buss giving him the response that they were trading him. He even jokes about it now. Want to know what will really blow your mind? Shaq was the one that demanded a trade from the Lakers. He bashed the Front Office, he bashed Mitch Kupchak. He still had 2 years left on his deal with the Lakers but Shaq was the one that said and I quote "The direction they're going in, if they're going to continue to go in the same direction, I don't want to be a part of this. This team, it ain't about me. It ain't about Phil. It's supposed to be about team." Mitch Kupchak even spoke out and said that if that's what Shaq wanted, then he would be open to trading him. Contract negotiations on how much Shaq wanted vs how much the Lakers were willing to pay him at 32 also fell apart. That and Shaq was admittedly upset that the Lakers were prioritizing re-signing Kobe in Free Agency (because he was an UFA at the time) as opposed to focusing primarily on his extension. He was 32 and couldn't deal with that. So less than a week after the Detroit loss Shaq was yelling and screaming for the Lakers to trade him. Then he gets in his feelings that they are focusing on re-signing Bryant during free agency as opposed to focusing on his extension (despite Shaq having 2 years left with a player option on the 2nd year). So I'm sorry it doesn't fit your narrative of "Kobe forced Shaq out" but Shaq started demanding a trade less than a week after they lost to the Pistons. Then he tried to leverage the Lakers for an obscene amount on his extension and Jerry Buss had enough. So like I said, Shaq forced himself out, not Kobe.
@tkjones3167
@tkjones3167 3 жыл бұрын
2 of the best bigs ever,we will never see another Dream or Shaq, golden years of the NBA
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
Giannas reminds me of Hakeem more that any other player. Giannas play style is different because the league is different Giannas would have been designated to the post back in those days.
@Adotch
@Adotch 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta be the dream imo
@CagedMan69
@CagedMan69 3 жыл бұрын
Forgot the fact Hakeem not only beat but sweeped shaq in the finals!
@iamdantediaz
@iamdantediaz 2 жыл бұрын
Word ! Hahaha that’s a Fact! Forgot about that . Hakeem over shaq
@the757general2
@the757general2 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamdantediaz Shaq was only in his 3rd season. Prime Shaq on the Lakers would've dusted Hakeem let's get real.
@hassanbaig8734
@hassanbaig8734 8 ай бұрын
@@the757general2 nope
@carnivalgods4573
@carnivalgods4573 3 ай бұрын
Hakeem due to the huge chasm in combine blocks and steals. Shaq 3400 Hakeem 5900 and the fact he went up against several HOF in the post season and bested all of them.
@mikeevans4341
@mikeevans4341 2 жыл бұрын
It is also worth noting that Shaq benefited heavily from playing in the slowest paced Era of all time, because if he played in the late 80s or nowadays NBA, he would still be dominant, but he wouldn't have the stamina to play for more than 30 minutes without losing in production significantly, and unlike Shaq, I think Hakeem would have benefited from playing today, his overall skillset would allow him to be the best defensive player while also being un elite scorer in post. And I bet he could have a decent 33-35% 3pt shot if he worked on it as well.
@hardwoodthought1213
@hardwoodthought1213 2 жыл бұрын
When Shaq was drafted he was an athletic freak, people act like 2003 Shaq was how he always played. Dude legit was like 6% body fat when he was drafted
@bmp254
@bmp254 Жыл бұрын
@@hardwoodthought1213 Yeah, but that Shaq only lasted for about 3 years. After that he just acted and looked like an anchor.
@ironangel667
@ironangel667 10 ай бұрын
One year, I believe 95, he started shooting 3s in game, but only when it didn't matter. He didn't shoot very many but for the year he was 42%.
@mrargue8946
@mrargue8946 3 жыл бұрын
The Dream Shake
@FAlynn92
@FAlynn92 3 жыл бұрын
Olajuwon's offensive arsenal and his great defensive anticipation alone would make me put him above shaq. Add in the fact that he accomplished a lot and I rank him several spots ahead of shaq when it comes to all-time Centers
@pattyweston-mg8kz
@pattyweston-mg8kz Жыл бұрын
I know how old this is but damn I appreciate your videos. You are the true exception to all the Lakers fans haha
@deforestdelpech7528
@deforestdelpech7528 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem's first Championship was the greatest achievement in NBA history.
@morpher728
@morpher728 3 жыл бұрын
What about dirks championship? Chamberlain's 50ppg season? Bulls double three peat in the hardest era ever? 40 pt a game in the playoffs from jordan? Quintuple double with 50pt and 27 rebs from chamberlain? 8 straight with russel? Idk I feel like a lot of them rival it.
@tylerbuck9347
@tylerbuck9347 3 жыл бұрын
@@morpher728 and 3-1 comeback over a 73-9 team
@brando4422
@brando4422 3 жыл бұрын
@@tylerbuck9347 He's probably meaning roster wise and how those two played.
@-ac-8296
@-ac-8296 2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 Scottie Pippen was an all star the season before and the season after and it's just a popularity contest anyway
@the757general2
@the757general2 2 жыл бұрын
@Aaron9 Draymond is a dirty ass player. He's lucky he didn't get suspended the previous round after kicking Steven Adams in the nuts.
@unnaturalselection8330
@unnaturalselection8330 3 жыл бұрын
I settle this in my head by asking one simple question,"Would you rather have prime Olajuwon and prime Kobe, or prime Shaq and prime Kobe?". Pretty easy decision to rush to sign Dream.
@arlindodosreis7522
@arlindodosreis7522 2 жыл бұрын
Hakeem and Kobe= better work ethic and skills. they would have stayed together forever cause Hakeem is not an egocentric...just loved to win...
@NobleDemonTim
@NobleDemonTim 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, this just educated me about NBA legends outside LA, Miami, and Chicago.
@henryboy004
@henryboy004 3 жыл бұрын
Where do you find the Hakeem highlights or how you compiled them? There isn’t a lot of highlight tapes of him on KZbin. And despite this being a vs. video, I think this video is a great highlight video.
@sessahme
@sessahme 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq is one of my favorite players but I do think you make a good argument for Hakeem. My only concern is the issue of talent because although Hakeem didn't have Kobe he may have had far better supporting cast. It could have been good enough with several pretty good players to outweigh the Kobe factor. Just a thought.
@Peakfreud
@Peakfreud 2 жыл бұрын
Wish they Would have had a Prime T-Mac to match with Hakeem
@MANDMK
@MANDMK 8 ай бұрын
Prime Shaq OBLITERATES Prime Hakeem. Not even the BEST defensive player could stop Shaq during his prime. He was simply UNSTOPPABLE. Hakeem never was (no disrespect to him, but Shaq is clearly the superior player at his prime)
@ChrisM07
@ChrisM07 3 ай бұрын
Shaq averaged less apg in the postseason which also counts as offense because he moved slower w/the ball and had limited range. It was a bit easier for defenders to delay double team him instead of being forced to do it immediately, the only edge he had on the offensive side is FG% which is to be expected considering where he usually took shots from. The defensive side is where he ends up losing the comparison, Shaq didn't have to go up against a top 10 scorer at his position often (both him and Robinson were top 5 in 95) which made it easier for him on both ends. No coincidence the 95 finals was one of the few times that happened and he lost the matchup.
@mrblue3879
@mrblue3879 3 жыл бұрын
They just fighting for second place to Kareem (jk we know Timofey Mosgov is the 🐐 center)
@Xenon-h9z
@Xenon-h9z Жыл бұрын
Greater? Shaq. Better? Hakeem.
@ericb7776
@ericb7776 11 ай бұрын
In this discussion, I think people who pick Shaq mostly do because he played for the Lakers. Hakeem played for a smaller market.
@bjaxon
@bjaxon 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq was brute strength and Hakeem was more skilled. I gotta give it to The Dream but the Diesel is a beast
@FAlynn92
@FAlynn92 3 жыл бұрын
Watched a very in-depth video about Olajuwon's offensive moves, and how he changed what he'd do as he read the defense and it's incredible. Guy always seemed to be two steps ahead. Good in the post, off the dribble, midrange, fadeaways, and was great at reading the defense before AND during the dream shake and adjusting mid-move and possibly finding open teammates? Incredible. Also, was a very versatile defender for a center. never seen a center getting chasedown blocks in fastbreak opportunities like him, or coming from across the floor to block the opponent's shot as soon as it leaves their hands. Good help defender, transition defender, rim protector and I've seen him look good on the perimeter defensively. No offense, but Shaq was just big and close to the rim, although pretty good at both. Sorry for the life story lol, I just find Olajuwon's game so interesting to analyze, while shaq just never impressed me.
@jackolson4808
@jackolson4808 3 жыл бұрын
@@FAlynn92 me too Hakeem goes so unnoticed he is absolutely ridiculous
@josephjohnroe3678
@josephjohnroe3678 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq's 99/00 - 01/02 was as dominant a stretch the league has ever seen. What he did to Duncan and Robinson in 01 and 02 was absolutely insane. Houston may have won in 95 against Orlando, but Shaq definitely held his own in only his 3rd season. People seem to ignore the rest of Hakeem's career and only focus on 94 and 95. In their prime I'll take Shaq every time.
@teofemo7000
@teofemo7000 3 жыл бұрын
The rest of Olajawon's career was outstanding as well. Even at the University of Houston he went to the Championship game twice. Once he refined his passing out of the post Akeem Olajawon along with Kareem Abdul Jabbar were the two most complete Centers the game has seen. No holes in their game. No fouling these guys intentionally
@amaramassinissa6247
@amaramassinissa6247 2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 Clown...
@User-22ps457
@User-22ps457 Жыл бұрын
If just dunking made you great
@spaceinvader68
@spaceinvader68 Жыл бұрын
I guess you call holding his own a 4 game sweep. 🤡
@simonmccamus7817
@simonmccamus7817 3 жыл бұрын
Fun vid. Nice displays of the stats/accolades and logically sound argument to rank Hakeem higher in the end. Shaq certainly had better teams and more all-star/superstar teammates to play with. Hakeem is obviously the better all-around player and better 2-way player. Hard to argue. I've always had Shaq ranked higher than Hakeem due to a higher peak achieved in his prime and due to the NBA instituting a rule change to give the rest of the league a better chance to defend him (zone defense). But, now I'm on the fence lol. The free-throw shooting when it gets down to the wire is a game-changer.
@bboyshotty
@bboyshotty 3 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorite players..I think even Shaq would admit Hakeem was better than him
@ATLienForLife
@ATLienForLife 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, you're right. Shaq has consistently stated that Hakeem is the better than him. Check out the very end of this video clip when Lampley asked Shaq asked about his legacy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3aTmqethtaBo8U
@dmmarrero1
@dmmarrero1 3 жыл бұрын
Hakeem. He killed shaq and every center the league. At one point he was the best player in the league.
@PhillipCummingsUSA
@PhillipCummingsUSA 3 жыл бұрын
At one point Shaq was the best player in the league
@jeremie_collier
@jeremie_collier 4 ай бұрын
Very good video. Regardless of who you go with you did a great job of showing off these 2 all time great centers
@Hanky1980
@Hanky1980 3 жыл бұрын
no question , dream was a top 3 defender alltime blocks leader top 10 steals..... shaq was trash at defense
@Hanky1980
@Hanky1980 3 жыл бұрын
no offense to shaq but i felt his best form as a player was his days in orlando .. he was in shape and a better baller skillwise then he was when he had his La and miami stints
@gunny-lneck4352
@gunny-lneck4352 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hanky1980 horrible take. Shaq was an all time great defender and presence in the paint. Shaq was a top 10 player ever in LA not in Orlando. Only difference between shaq and hakeem defensively was that Hakeem is the greatest low post defender to ever breathe.
@devontaelafleur3841
@devontaelafleur3841 3 жыл бұрын
@@gunny-lneck4352 that was one of the worst takes I’ve heard man if we look at the tape Orlando shaq could run the floor play defense outside and in while LA shaq could play great inside on defense and offense while his extra weight slowed him. This never happened to Hakeem he stayed in shape regardless and was still dominant
@michaelbarnes2617
@michaelbarnes2617 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq could anchor a team's defense and make them respectable, Hakeem himself is making your defense top 5 in the league at least
@jasonmoukala8909
@jasonmoukala8909 3 жыл бұрын
@@gunny-lneck4352 he’s not an all time great defender
@mailyannickkrap
@mailyannickkrap 3 жыл бұрын
Shaq said that even he wouldnt pick himself over the dream
@IbnWahab
@IbnWahab 2 жыл бұрын
your ending conclusion says it all. Hakeem is the more versatile player and if he got the support many other super stars had, he for sure will have won more rings
@ekhampton6136
@ekhampton6136 3 жыл бұрын
Again you listened to us lol
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