Jordan Peterson Explains the Male Dominance Hierarchy - The Joe Rogan Experience

Joe Rogan & Jordan Peterson discuss the male dominance hierarchy.
Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #958.

[@phillipadams6735]

This guy is really good at explaining things that I get frustrated trying to say.

[@Mike9201984]

Learn to better articulate your ideas and you will climb up the hierarchy.

[@gkro7137]

Just wanted to give you props, dude. Great job in formulating this thought.

[@christiang2840]

Yes he certainly is! Discovered him in 2018. Changed my mindset on life

[@santiagogarcia5023]

Not only trying to say it but also imagine trying to explain this to a person who is not willing to question his own ideas and views society as a system of oprressors and opressed... such a goddamned irresponsible prejudice

[@JLchevz]

that's cause he knows A LOT more than us

[@daboekroontjas3362]

I cannot get over the fact that the video starts with "hello freak bitches" then Jordan Peterson getting right into it. Wow Internet.

[@enriquesuarez7113]

hahaha true lmao

[@ClassicGaming7]

Yea that threw me off

[@advancedprototype9669]

Any type of behavior from Even from 2016. state within chances of discount why!? approved for his creepy disgusted place stayed in vegas so tryout for las vegas and I'll call this bluff eating women children from grandchildren. Disqualified a wife before arrival. That power being said of graduation level is a negative spreadsheet from a closed out laborer. Joe Rogan kissed his rear naked chokehold. And lost my money from an animal to a loan shark waiting for asian communities. #Lovesbakery #Millenial #Cps #gymclassheroes

[@sandracmyers]

@@advancedprototype9669 What. Seriously.

[@Bungalow_head]

OO OO AHH AHH HELLO FREAK BITCHES…… knowledge

[@t.thomas6967]

It;'s amazing this is the Longest I've heard Joe not Speak. Forget that he was even interviewing Jordan.

[@shessoheavy6130]

He's probably buzzing like a cheap speaker.

[@joegastly6166]

@@shessoheavy6130 Or Joe was actually interested and listening to what he had to say

[@shessoheavy6130]

@@joegastly6166 hmm...maybe. I was using levity, btw.

[@sentientmlem727]

He went silent with Edward Snowden too.

[@calebking4638]

Notice how when he did speak, it was either one of these 2 things; 1. Genuine philosophical dialectic with actual intrigue. 2. "Wow."

[@pascalblaise6460]

The best part was Joe Rogan shutting the fuck up and letting this guy complete his thought.

[@liamwixw]

Pascal Blaise I liked his input at the end. It really synthesised a real world example, and he said it really nice too. On ya Joe

[@Jonalexher]

Usually he doesn't interrupt if the idea being spoken is actually interesting and merits not being interrupted.

[@vidupasamarasinghe1111]

he always has the last word to display his higher status in the dominance heirarchy

[@maxb6078]

LOLD hard at this comment because its so damn true.

[@traviswilkes6995]

Pascal Blaise I agree joe talks way too much when he thinks he’s the smartest one in the room

[@user-gu9nx2ww5k]

Lobster Heirarchies are no big deal until you find yourself in one, then you bloody well shut up and isten, or you'll find yourself on the outside. And the outside of the lobster heirarchy, that's no place you want to be.

[@neoncrusader7244]

I like how Peterson's main speech mannerisms are turning into bonafide memes at this point. It's quite lovely.

[@dorknate]

And that's NO JOKE.

[@jamesbeachen7401]

hahahahahaha

[@kenmagma]

Floris 😂😂😂

[@davidjd123]

Fuck that, I won’t even mess around with the lobster hierarchy. That shit is real.

[@budahbaba7856]

What i love about this great mind, 1) he does not insist on being right 2) he has great respect for Great Mystery: there is so much, regardless of our hubris, that we just don't know!

[@edgoodwin4389]

Same. He's very self-aware and understands that he, like the rest of us, is just another living being. Mystery is what drives us to explore and engage in further educating ourselves. Very respectable guy even though I don't agree with everything he says.

[@yihadistxdl951]

i think that only dumb people need to brag about how much they know. an intelligent person knows that they really dont know almost anything.

[@JesseWolfboy]

Jordan Peterson is META-ADMIRABLE.

[@willu842]

Lol love it

[@peteralex3535]

That moment you realize even the KZbin comments section is a dominance hierarchy 😥

[@noelr6814]

You must be one of those guys who can't compete,

[@peteralex3535]

@@noelr6814 What are you talking about?

[@nobodyofknowhere973]

@@noelr6814 nah, i think hes just pointing it out

[@TailsDoll-ot7fq]

No one's coming to rescue you, my guy But the relief in that is you don't need to rescue anyone else I tell myself that anytime my anxiety eats me, and I feel like I can't compete It sucks to see someone lose, but you don't have to rescue them Realizing that can unlock the strength you're holding back

[@titansfitness3393]

Very Sneaky

[@tristenperez6271]

This guy is easily one of my heroes. He's so intelligent and knowledgeable, but instead of just publishing papers or writing books he's out there trying to influence dramatic political policies and stop neo-marxism from taking over. He puts his brain to practical use. I think at this rate he'll just continue to contribute in a major way to the dialogue about PC culture.

[@paulc7138]

Except he has published hundreds of papers and written a number of books.

[@jjohnsengraciesmom]

But is he correct about what he says.

[@edward8064]

@@paulc7138 yes. his h-index is 56 which is quite high

[@trvp_biggucci9226]

Hiearchy is necessary we all breath the same air and we all going to die one day.People that are of power are always going to lose power someday you can lose power and gain it as well

[@stellercorpse]

I went to a wedding in Portland 3 months ago and I got into a conversation with some feminists at 4am after drinking all night and essentially told them the same thing: women created the situation, men gain status and power and Money because that's what women want. If there were no women to gain no one would be working 80 hour weeks moving up the ladder. Anyways, they kicked me out of the party LOL

[@wadesuhr]

A woman's test in life is material. A man's test in life is a woman...If a man could get laid in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house. Men don't buy exotic cars because they like them. Men are hunters and the car is the bait. Woman : "Hey, nice Porsche." Man : (mimics bear hugging something with his arms) "Gotcha bitch." - Dave Chappelle

[@notoriusdrifter40]

@@wadesuhr Than that's the wrong bitch!

[@wadesuhr]

@@notoriusdrifter40 Talk to Dave Chappelle

[@notoriusdrifter40]

@@wadesuhr What do you mean?

[@oneidea1121]

@@wadesuhr thats not correct man , i buy a certain car because i like the fucking car , thats the line of tought that wont get you laid , mainly because you are trying to hard, feel free to disagree , im speaking from personal experience

[@95TurboSol]

So Bowser is the dragon of chaos of the dominance hierarchy, Mario is the male climbing that hierarchy to get the princess by slaying the dragon, I never knew nintendo was so deep!

[@pukefawcett]

the virgin postmodernist vs the chad saint george

[@haydenhouser]

“The dominance hierarchy is a mechanism that selects heros and then breeds them.”

[@harounabid22]

Men or women

[@user-kb6yb6ey8q]

​@@harounabid22 I'd say men. Studies have argued that around 60% of men failed to find romantic partners. Women on the other hand don't have that problem. Even the most unattractive ones could easily get someone to have sex with. However for the men at the bottom of the hierarchy their chances of getting women to sleep with are none existent.

[@Doug8521]

These kinds of guests at Joe Rogan stimulate my brain.. I knew there was something else out there besides the Kardashians

[@420JustLegalizeIt]

HOLY FUCK this is some eye-opening shit. A lot of these points I've had in the back of mind, but never had them conceptualized let alone brought into conversation. That bit about white knights helping feminists, so that they can start their own hierarchy, is fucking brilliant.

[@robynnsimoneofficial]

Cris_Cringle that's not how it works holy fuck it's called men doing what is fucking right

[@CleverMetaphor]

sounds like robynn got tricked

[@420JustLegalizeIt]

Robynn Simone, so defending a woman's opinion, regardless of context, is "fucking right" every time, across the board? That's ridiculous. And if "that's not how it works holy fuck", then refute my claim, rather than acting like a child and using your feelings and curse words as your only rebuttal.

[@ViolettaVie]

Krišjānis Barons, it doesn't matter what they are doing. Women cannot respect a man like that. They are reprehensible even to feminists. It is counter to our nature. Men who are masculine and assertive, not sneaky or pandering, even when they challenge us, are more attractive and sought-after.

[@daveruda]

Please take what he says with a grain of salt.

[@shantanu_kumar]

I love how, unlike many other interviewers, Joe just knows when to shut the hell up and listen! :)

[@LeeeroyJenkems]

Go and watch the full podcasts. Jordan has been on twice for 3 hours each time, and both are beyond incredible. I have NEVER heard Joe listen so much in any podcast, and I have heard most of his nearly 1000 podcasts. Joe loves to learn, and trust me he is learning a lot when he listens to Jordan.

[@wadewishloff870]

Aren’t you fucking special. Lol

[@Kaizen747]

why does this feel like an AI comment

[@Eric-dn9bx]

@@Kaizen747 because everyone is reading and regurgitating some fucking remix of the same damn comment lol

[@REP300]

I love the look on Jordan's face at the end...."Sneaky." You can see the disgust. It's awesome.

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

Big Ron Partlow like cuttlefish. that's how the beta males get the females. through deception. tricking the male that won into thinking the beta is female. the alpha thinks he got 2 females while the beta mates with the female behind the alphas back. pretty sneaky and ingenious.

[@Profile.4]

@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 beta males don't get females though

[@85YotaMan]

Feminism needs to die.

[@thatdaddyal]

@@Profile.4 Thats what they want you to think lol

[@Profile.4]

@@thatdaddyal haha no...they don't. I know plenty of them. If they do they're fat disgusting females. Not the ones an alpha wants.

[@FrankieNeedles323]

The world is a cold place for an honest man. No mercy. It all comes down to that.

[@ITI-xi5zx]

He's not honest, he's sexist

[@koolstory3867]

Michael Covington all men are sexist all man shall be slain within 10 radius of FBI agents

[@keithkieran]

These replies escalated quickly! The ideal man isn’t a liar, to be sure. All men are sexist? Says who?!!! LOLOL

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

@@ITI-xi5zx Given that most of humanity is straight and cisgender, a psychologist who can't find differences between male and female sexual psychologies is not non-sexist, just incompetent.

[@khalilkhan371]

@@ITI-xi5zx he's realist ....who emphasizes on reality rather than the morality and values drawn by feminists to favor themselves against the pattern of nature😛..

[@WOranos]

Peterson is a dragon slayer. Maybe the only one left in academia.

[@dakotajohnson4229]

Look into Thomas Sowell.

[@gibsonflyingv2820]

Peterson looks like a dried up worm in the summer sun.

[@charlesbaha5298]

Check out Gad Saad also

[@PordanBJeterson]

I am going to dominate the KZbin Hierarchy.

[@davidjd123]

Sorting Myself Out ...not if I do it first !

[@Theunion802]

Let's do it together

[@couldntthinkofagoodnamesoi8357]

Got any plans for your genetic contribution? Asking for a friend.

[@Swoll1231]

Over my dead body

[@livewire2759]

Shut up betas, I already did it. Move on.

[@rafaelmoretti403]

Jordan is a genius. a Modern merlin to every wannabe king arthur.

[@taylorramos2992]

Am I missing something? On the one hand Jordan emphasizes that happiness is strongly tied to where we lie on the domanance higherarchy. But on the other hand he bemoanes how the younger generations are unhappy when they don’t realize how well we have it with running water, electricity, modern medicine etc. I feel like there is a conflict of ideas here. If it is becoming harder and harder to climb the dominance hierarchy because of growing inequality one would expect general happiness to go down. And since our relationship to the dominance hierarchy is deeply rooted back to ancient evolutionary times (as Peterson emphasizes) it seems silly to expect that recent technological advances in health and medicine would override such a deep and primordial need to feel like we are making progress in a dominance hierarchy. In analyzing this conflict of ideas I think it is somewhat hypocritical of Peterson to bemoan younger people’s frustration with society when he himself so clearly emphasizes the connection to serotonin and the dominance hierarchy.

[@bighands69]

It has only become harder to climb when you believe it does not matter. Most of these young males are in the belief that it does not matter anymore. Too many are worried about superficial things that will not aid their development. Most young males today are nihilistic and do not believe in development.

[@muffinman2946]

Only if you accept the claim that it has become harder to climb the hierarchy.

[@seba_dud]

yes, i agree with this thought, and that is one place which peterson perhaps doesn't fully understand. he is in many ways a privileged person (not talking bad about him), and this makes it more difficult for him to see the newer generations' struggles.

[@TuringMachine001]

​@@bighands69 I agree with you that nihilism can make it harder to climb the dominance hierarchy, but so can inequality.

[@Mike9201984]

What a brilliant man. I've gone months accumulating the amount of insight he provides in ten minutes.

[@shizlittlebam]

I had to listen to this twice it's so insightful

[@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935]

awesome. I've been thinking about this exact topic in my head for like the last couple months and this guy essentially said everything my mind came up with. different examples, but same idea. awesome.

[@enescakr4203]

This guy is a national treasure

[@TheHiLiteShow7]

This was fantastic. I subscribe to JRE for conversations like these.

[@TheHiLiteShow7]

lol. This nigga here

[@thomasharrison8485]

I would, if Joe wouldn't be so unbearable to listen to.

[@LukeI]

wasn't much of a conversation lol

[@jonasdamion1627]

I finally followed this concept start to finish, wow

[@UlpianHeritor]

As a Torontonian having to pretend to be politically correct living in a completely leftist and feminized society, I have to say, Jordan Peterson is a breath of fresh air. I am proud that he is standing up to the nonsense going on in Canada. I don't feel so alone.

[@pafakell]

What exactly is a "feminized" society? Don't blame me, a woman, because Canadians voted for a government that promised to change their diapers for them from cradle to grave and had so much fun sneering at me, an American, about how backward and selfish I was for seeing Obamacare for what it was: complete control over my life along with lousy healthcare and the theft of MY money. You voted for Fidel Castro's son, a creep who came straight out of the WTO propaganda machine, and now after his true colors have been shown, you sit back and blame the sex that is the only reason every species on earth survives. Because females may select for whatever they feel will best supplement their own significantly larger contribution to the next generation, but they rarely want the sperm donor hanging around after that itch has been scratched - and for good reason. Besides, the biggest parasite in any society is called a "union", and nobody can honestly deny that those tantrum throwing entitled thugs are the epitome of masculinity. I mean, I have to pay for 10 years worth of some nobody auto worker's Viagra every time I buy a car.

[@roti1873]

I can't wait for Dr. Peterson and Tim Ferriss to join forces and make the ultimate book: "4-Hour Top Lobster"

[@lallyoisin]

I like to talk. I'm pretty sure Joe does too. it's very rare that talkers are so stimulated by conversation that they are happy just to listen. How lucky are Jordan's students.

[@sparrowfeed]

I think Rogan is totally comfortable with his position here, which just shows he's in the hierarchy. Both him and Peterson = heroes.

[@FukitoSan]

This guy made me want to read the dictionary. Now, everyone accuses me of being a narcissistic and pretentious person. Thank you.

[@Vestu]

Love this guy. And Joe Rogan for letting him speak.

[@classic7890]

Joe`s like a stoner getting intellectually run over, " wow, sneaky."

[@TheEthalon]

classic7890 joe is rather much more intelligent than people think

[@MNToor]

Today's Philospher, Ladies and Gentlemen.

[@awesomebroification]

Today's Psychologist, ladies and gentlemen, ftfy I mean he's a psych professor, so I think that's an important distinction.

[@paddleed6176]

Can be both a psychologist and a philosopher. In many cases they're closely related.

[@user-di2tv9rl9n]

He is not a psychologist. Psychologists are scientists and he never referes to data to prove his points. He is an ideologue.

[@Julesmarquette]

Рокси Рокет He's a certified clinical psychologist who's transitioned into a professorial role and now teaches psychology. He works with patients to solve neurological and psychiatric issues like depression, eating disorders, and anxiety riddled problems. It's rude to take away from someone's educational background and prestige just because he's saving time by getting to the point instead of citing all his sources. He could easily get in trouble as a professor at HARVARD if he just made stuff up. I'm pretty sure he's got sources to back up his argument.

[@Fresse]

In his classes he often refers to scientific data. Why would being a scientist on the one hand exclude him from being an ideologist on the other?

[@hulking_presence]

Damn, this monologue is powerful

[@dainiskarklins823]

Man, I can listen to these too for hours.

[@OOZiTen]

Joe.. you need to make "Mondays with Peterson" or something.

[@gc3k]

This has been floating in my head for awhile. If a human squared off against a lion with bare hands, it wouldn't even be close. It would would be ugly. Very very ugly. Even if you found the toughest strongest human in the world they'd end up looking like pulled pork. Same for other violent beasts like wolves or gorillas or hippos or bears or alligators. But we're not exactly living our lives in fear of those beasts, because our civilization has found ways to circumvent the clear physical advantage that powerful beasts have over humans. We use our brains, and our brains have created tools that keep those beasts at our mercy, if we haven't driven them to extinction. Isn't that the same thing as the post-modernists who circumvent the traditional dominance hierarchy? They're improvising despite their traditional physical and even moral inadequacies, and they're getting ahead in the short life that they have. It's annoying, but it's a naturally human thing to do, since our powerful brains are what set us apart from other weak animals that would be shredded to bits by almost any predator you can think of.

[@aiswaryarose1684]

You just put my entire dilemma into words I couldn´t find myself. Thank you! My problem was, how do we determine if this phenomenon (men who are allies to the feminist movement) is a bad move or not, morally as well as evolutionarily. Again you put it better. :)

[@gabrielaviles6173]

The hierarchy you listed about lions is predicated on power, not competence. Therefore I am inclined to believe it doesn’t contradict what JP is preaching

[@antibiotic3024]

thank you for this comment. my exact thought process. but i would like to add to your idea that, improvising in the sense that you're talking about has been THE tool for our evolution as humans. i would say, our hierarchy as beings is far more complex from other species. Males always found shortcuts around the hierarchy, creating new skills, something new. and this by itself will create its OWN hierarchies, which males can also climb. however, it all boils down to one main hierarchy: creativity. in life, the person that is on top of the game is always the innovative person, the person that finds new ways to go around the problem. this can be found in all fields, wether in music, politics, sports, which are all made up human hierarchies by themselves. you can find people climbing them up with better skills, but who is on top of it is always the innovators, the people who go beyond the norms.

[@jpoconnor2857]

I feel like a bald cat with its hair standing up watching this video. It's so nice to see an intellectual conversation about religion / theology rather than it being mocked in the usual simplistic Santa Claus naughty or nice list version of your typical reductionist atheist.

[@fazehank5311]

You're getting coal

[@justinsjourney3224]

This is an amazing clip and breakdown.

[@installshieldwizard3017]

I could listen to Jordan all day. There should be a radio PetersonFM.

[@hectorcastillo4660]

he sounds like a woke Kermit the frog

[@lwarriorrj]

Lmao

[@Innoz1337]

HAhahahaha I can't unhear that now... loooool... When I just close my eyes and invision Kermit spewing that wisdom out.. Loool...

[@sweetscience82]

Best KZbin comment I've ever seen

[@DXTW]

😂😂

[@AndreXMichael]

You are a genius

[@olajuwon021]

Considering the fact that all hunter-gatherer societies that survived to this day are universally egalitarian and that they do not have social hierarchies, where exactly is the evidence that male dominant hierarchies even existed before agriculture?

[@aidilamani8197]

What evidence do you have that all hunter gatherer societies have no hierarchies? In actual fact most tribes do have a ranking system, for example every tribe or every group they have their chief hunter, even in animals like lions. That’s usually the “messianic figure” or the “ideal” or the “hero archetype” that we are naturally drawn to assigning/associate people with (be it conscious or unconscious). But with modernisation the hierarchies may not be as classical as it used to be, it’s no longer the strongest male or the fittest male (although having these traits may help slightly especially in the time of war) , it has perhaps evolved to the most competent male or female in that particular group or community (e.g at your workplace or what ever industry you’re in) . Where does this natural affinity come from? Who knows? It’s deeply embedded in us even we may not be conscious of it. It could stem from evolution or really that’s how Being is and what “God” or the “Universe” set us for us to do to ensure the survival of all living creatures

[@00Noontide]

Great content!

[@keffbarn]

The more you listen to this, the more it makes sense. Really deep stuff. Fascinating!

[@gus6910]

He is so good at explaining things you could almost say he is a hero

[@mayaportland8805]

Oh my how I wish I could have a conversation with this guy! He's smarter than any person I ever met.

[@J0MBi]

what would you ask him?

[@cydra-evolution5623]

He’s about to die.

[@zxnnyxz03]

@@cydra-evolution5623 No he's not.

[@lollypoofy]

Jo is so good at knowing when someone is done talking

[@DonnePlummer69]

Listening to this guy talk is amazing...

[@enriquesuarez7113]

this is probably why my ex left me for a guy who is 10 years older than me, he must be higher in the dominance hierarchy... anyway, time to cry again

[@Harufloof]

Bruh too relatable

[@yihadistxdl951]

bust out the sigma male grindset and keep grinding up the ladder until there aint nobody standing in your way. i believe in you brother.

[@felipec.925]

Dominance hierarchy displays from your mind, your mind, your behaviour show off your status in society.

[@jayjones9225]

It’s the cold hard truth. Get confidence. Get to the gym. Speak and dress well. Be free from outcome and be social. Best chance to get girls is by climbing that hierarchy to the best of our abilities

[@williamschlass4598]

Making getting girls your goal is definitely not the highest aim, let alone an aim that would be worthwhile enough to justify the suffering of life. As JP would say,

[@BlindBison]

If women have been selecting for men as described for all this time it means standards continue to rise as well no? If every man self improves to his limit, won’t it simply fuel competition further? In a system like this seems to me the tragedy of it is you’re going to have a few winners and mostly losers or fellows in the middle. There’s always going to be hierarchy and some people have no real chance of getting to the top though self improvement can certainly help to some extent.

[@williamschlass4598]

@@BlindBison I've been having the same thoughts this week while watching Fresh and Fit and Kevin Samuels. It occurred to me that a lot of peoples' apparent response to unchecked hypergamy is to encourage men to compete better and harder. But like JP always says, hierarchies if left unattended for too long, will tilt towards corruption and oppression. Sexual liberation with no room for shaming, gender roles, socially enforced monogamy etc. will just lead to an even more brutal pareto distribution. Most likely even polygamy and once it gets that bad, I fear for the order which our forebears worked so hard to achieve and the resulting machinations of modern day convenience which we take for granted.

[@osborne3]

Just watched this after watching a bit of the Joe Rogan podcast with Adam Conover, that last bit he was talking about the sneaky guys who can't compete on the male dominance hierarchy was very apt.

[@bighands69]

Adam Conover is an alpha male. He is not a beta.

[@tommyoneill9761]

This is spot on.

[@zombiewack]

My god Jordan is brilliant

[@victornettoyeur3305]

A form of the "Sneaky Fucker" syndrome, basically. Observed in other primates as well. Sneaky but it works for them, therefore is just as valid in nature.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

Valid, but inferior.

[@MacHamish]

Brilliant!

[@nikolavizec7892]

This is fire.

[@seriouslypeople5860]

Compare this to Adam Conover trying to convince Joe Rogan that alpha males aren't a thing.

[@alexanderleeart]

this just confirms that Christian women are thirsty for Jesus because he was uber dominant lol

[@rexsceleratorum1632]

Two words, Catholic nuns

[@madcap3085]

Can anyone point out where I can find this full podcast ?

[@randomz8065]

Spotify

[@Chrono337]

You know shit's about to get extra real when Jordan Peterson says ''I'll lay out something wild for you''

[@liambaker2208]

When I close my eyes every podcast becomes a midnight gospel episode

[@cleo3254]

I wonder if his wife appreciates being invisible

[@ExMachina70]

Jordan always fights to keep his knowledge open for change. It's a sign of high intellect being able to hold confidence AND doubt on the same cuff.

[@imJUSTdusty1]

Dr. Peterson! You are the best!

[@thejackanapes5866]

Jordan Peterson is a blast to listen to. He's got a great attitude about admitting when he doesn't know something. The main problem with what he often says is that he relies on naturalistic fallacy. I mean - we don't shit in our pants. Not if we don't have to. Why not? Our asshole is naturally in our pants. And when he says this about western culture: "In the west... the ideal person, the ideal man is the one who tells the truth... That's the 'conclusion' of the west." There is no way he is that naive. I"m more inclined to believe that our gut bacteria dominate us in almost every way, but that's another discussion.

[@lenawinup3133]

I came here from the Beta dude clip claiming beta's dont exist 😂😂

[@ByronGraham]

that last sentence blow my brain..

[@tumishoramodisa9602]

Jordan Peterson is so intelligent and a brilliant teacher.

[@angusadams5344]

"We've evolved for the hierarchy" Commies everywhere are sent into a frenzy.

[@MarkMark-ji6ts]

@Jared Adams You have gone into a frenzy yourself, only for the affirmative in your case.

[@TrollinFromFlask]

@@MarkMark-ji6ts Examples of the frenzy?

[@danielt.4330]

@Shashank Kumar Is there a scientific consensus on this? I've heard arguments for both sides, but it would seem that the decisive arguments would be gained from evolutionary biology, not philosophy.

[@seanhagan1435]

Shashank Kumar You literally can’t be further from the truth. human intelligence was a positive feedback loop caused by sexual selection. Women used intelligence as a signal for good genes. Also your innate egalitarianism is a racist caricature of hunter-gatherers known as the noble savage. It is true that the hunter-gatherer tribes consist of about 130 to 150 people which would most likely be cousins, but even in those tribes men competed against other men For high status because women selected for the men who can provide more resources for their offspring which would make the offspring more likely to survive. And if your genetic lineage is on the line, murder doesn’t just get rid of a competitor you also acquire the competitors resources, so there would be a genetic incentive for it. Evolution would not favor A man Who wasted evolutionary currency raising another males offspring because they wouldn’t be his gene being transferred to the next generation. This would explain why most murders are committed by men against men Usually because of infidelity. And war along with cannibalism, rape, and infanticide existed throughout hominid Evolution. What these man we’re going to war with other tribes for was to illuminate the men and children and acquire the women. All of this is from the viewpoint of the genes, how could evolution select for “greater social cooperation” or group selection, if a gene arose within an individual that favored the group over that individual by definition would root itself out of the gene pool.

[@Phant0mGetsuga993]

Aren’t they all dead tho??

[@firstneimm.lastneim672]

It's good to educate ourselves about these things, it's also good to educate others about them. Once we start DEMANDING that people change however, that is where the breakdown of communication begins.

[@Kalvis1]

Firstneim M. Lastneim - Isn't that what democracy is about? The majority demanding the minority to follow structures. Most of our society are based on such demands.

[@jonasdamion1627]

Jordan Peterson is the most supreme elder I've ever seen, and i am probably only minutely cogniscient of his wise old man depth- no one can see what his saying in the light from which he's communicating it

[@statene.8973]

That was amazing.

[@Crackhouts]

It's like Mario Brothers.

[@minefieldtango5513]

The first 5 minutes of this clip have nothing to do with the title.

[@sunepalmin]

jordan peterson, and mike tyson is easily my top celebrity-idols. both great in what they do.

[@mj011n1r]

Some synthesis with the philosophy of Rene Girard possible with Mr. Petersen's thoughts.

[@EDVRTS]

I understand the biological need and function of it, but I have seen its inneficiency - people use hierarchies to fight for their positions (just using power, not merit or competence), they have a big advantage in terms of quick judgements (their position works as a stronger argument than their actual competence) and they give way to a whole new class of people that just spend work in creating the illusion of their position hierarchy or just can produce their position in a hierarchy as a reason why they are right, instead of an actual argument or any valid insight. I've been on both sides of these tricks (both unjustly benefited from my position and had trouble because of it not being sufficient, despite being right at the time), but I am not sure that dominance hierarchies are the best thing that we as a species should use in the long term. I understand the need to differentiate strategic and tactical personel, but overall I would hope to see them evolve into something better - so I do look at them as a partially vestigial thing

[@rioreason]

I could listen to Peterson all day and night. Do you think he's a self aware narcissist that hides it well? Every psychologist has something wrong with them, and I've been trying to figure him out for the longest time.

[@megalaxmax9979]

Rio I don't think he's high in narcissism since he doesn't aggrandise himself. I'd say he's high in openness and agreeableness, simply wanting to increase general social knowledge. By doing this he increases his own status via relating to so many other people (most likely that part is unconscious/subconscious).

[@drogoth25]

To Jordan Peterson: you should create modules with you content and order them sequentially. This would help a diverse set individuals hear what you have to say and be able to judge it for themselves, rather than be guided by propagandist activity that may not be in their best interests. Hope you read this - and thank you for articulating in these videos the ideas many have been considering.

[@OOZiTen]

That amazing monologue.. and Joe "Woooow SNEAKY" *Cry lauging emoji*

[@VeritableSmorgasbord]

Two things I would enjoy clarification on: First, you say at the end that the hero "finds and claims the virgin," which implies something other than choice on the part of the human female. Second, there's a classroom lecture where you say that you've long thought on why nature is depicted as female, i.e. "mother nature", and you said you believe it's because "nature selects", but here you say female chimps don't select their mates. (I guess you could say though that women aren't actually choosing, it's more like they're programmed to find certain male traits desirable, which traits are themselves programmed by our biology through natural selection, so in the end, nature selects. Which I guess is a third thing I would like clarification on, since you say here that natural selection and sexual selection are two distinctly important parts of evolution, when it seems, as I explained, that they're the same thing.) Whenever you can get back to me would be great. Thanks Jordan. Your friend, Marc B.

[@NonNewtoadian]

Humans diverged from lobsters about 700 mya not 350 mya. By 350 mya fish had already came onto land.

[@kvrvn]

Can anyone expand on the idea of an "abstract social system"? Thanks.

[@thespileys2301]

"Very sneaky" "Wow. SNeaky" LOL

[@nichande]

The male dominance hierarchy is also the moral matriarchy. Polygamy/polyamory leads to having more mothers and fewer fathers in common descent. Because biologically one male can reproduce with several females far more than one female with several males (polyandry). In polygamous species male-male competition and female sexual selection is more intense. Two offspring or zero offspring. In the Freudian primal horde, the jealously of the frustrated/exiled/castrated males for their mother/sisters is what gives them collective consciousness to murder, castrate and eat the tyrannical father. As Kronos did to Uranus, after Uranus hid the titans in the underworld but Kronos was protected inside the earth mother Gaia. In classic psychoanalytic theory the outcome of the Oedipal identification struggle leads to latency. Sexual passions are cooled as gender roles are taken on from the opposite parent and same-sex social bonding takes place. The ice age of ontogenesis. During the ice age Pleistocene, the transition to hunting primate being completed. Male cooperation on hunts for meat. The symbolic role of the father becoming individual moral authority for the group. To prevent aggression and incest which formerly was prevented by the actual existence of the father. Feelings of guilt from the deed repeated in sacrifice sanctioned by the group. For Freud, the male hero is the one who resisted the urge of his fellow men to urinate on fire and brought it back to the community, females. He slayed the serpent; Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to man in a hollow tube. The individual learns to renounce desire, sublimate genital pleasure, to make it into something productive for others. Opening the way to civilization where the economic patriarchy matches with the moral patriarchy. 🤔

[@muffinman2946]

Camille Paglia?

[@StaaaaNzHD]

No you are wrong. it is not. Morality does not exist

[@isaachester8475]

What I don’t get is the exclusion of females from this “hero” culture and from dominance hierarchies. In Peterson’s narrative they only operate as mate-selectors. But what about competitive/driven women who rise to prominent positions? Can women not also fulfill the role of a “hero?” How is this explained if they’re taken to be selectors only? And it’s not good enough to say, “Well it’s *traditionally* been men.”

[@jonpaulcox1919]

You have a very limited understanding of evolutionary psychology, I'd suggest studying up on it more if you're mentally capable.

[@zebunker]

No. They are ruining society.

[@Swipedogg]

Diversity BS is the reason why they rise to prominent positions. Get over yourself.

[@etoolfool]

Mind blown...no words

[@theabsolutetruth3847]

This guy is fucking amazing. Few can follow his ideas and those who can needs to pull up their jaw from time to time.

[@aleksandr5789]

i just dont understand how Joe doesn't get blown away about what he just said.

[@TheTaterTotP80]

But animals also bargain with the future. For example superstition has been shown in animals like Pigeons, fair play and trade in Chimps and Rats etc. So I think it's wrong to say we were Chimps then learned about the future and to bargain with it. I think that's inherent in animals too. They are also self aware. Oh and we've been using drugs since before we were homo sapiens most likely. Far longer than 125000 years. There are species of primate with common ancestors to us that use drugs like Lemurs using cyanide secretions from Caterpillars. Reindeer also use psychadelic mushrooms. Chimps do choose mates aswell. Just not necessarily hierarchical choice like humans.

[@Yoitsbobbyboy]

TheTaterTotP80 oh you’re right! When are you going to start posting videos on these topics mister Tot, you’re clearly more knowledgeable on this topic than a guy who’s devoted his life to it lol.

[@Razear]

11:15 Took a page out of Gad Saad's sneaky fucker theory. :D

[@andrewbores5985]

"Wow.. sneaky" lmao

[@Levipaulsen]

This is what happens when you give a Social Scientist really good weed.

[@haydenhouser]

🤣

[@valerivalirian4320]

This was some epic bullshit

[@benyben2009]

maaaan, i like this dude.

[@DJJimCowley]

Mind blowing.