Jordan Peterson Rehab | Dangers of Benzodiazepine Withdrawal

This video answers the questions: What can we learn about the Jordan Peterson rehab situation?
Are mental health professionals vulnerable to substance dependence? What are the challenges of benzodiazepine withdrawal?
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[@Olivia-pj6fw]

Being a professional in any feild doesn't make you immune to life.

[@kathrinjohnson2582]

Yes very wise.

[@johnmills3163]

Very True !

[@bluebotlivingston6016]

Unless you are a professional at being immune to life, and that's possible. Absolutely uncommon since it requires immense character strength, but possible.

[@jdekong3945]

perhaps Dr Peterson should keep this in mind when he passes judgement so easily on others when he is dispensing criticism on others who do not meet his standards

[@alwaysdisputin9930]

@@jdekong3945 Jordan Peterson's rule number 6: "Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world"

[@RiiSchob]

It's nice to see someone talking about Peterson without mocking him and his family. Thanks for the video.

[@christianamerican473]

Someone making millions of dollars being controlled opposition doesn't deserved to be mocked?(edit= ? 10/20/19) Research who manages him and a question about "200 years Together" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn which he refused to answer. He is being mocked for good reason.

[@christianamerican473]

@Will K - Politics/Culture What Conspiracy? Have Jews not been expelled by 109 countries over 360 times? Is that all because they are successful? Are you saying Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is wrong?

[@christianamerican473]

@@spiraling6980 Him crying in the recent interviews reminds me of a traitor asking for mercy.

[@j_freed]

Peterson and his family are mocked because they are just real and try to stand for the truth. If other people have narratives that depend on lies and artifice and political loyalties, these people find that realness to be irritating and threatening so they ad hominem attack the person speaking up for it. It's the ultimate failure of debate resorting to ad hominem.

[@RiiSchob]

@@christianamerican473 I was explicitly referring to the mocking of him admitting himself into rehab. Generally when people refer to, "the controlled opposition", they are Alex Jones goobers.. you're not suggesting that Peterson rising to fame was... planned.. Are you?

[@bethmiller7544]

My son died of Xanax withdrawal. He was addicted to alcohol other things. Was put on Xanax high doses. He became quite addicted to Xanax. Dr took him of the drug and he had a massive seizure and died right in front of me. I miss my child. Dr Peterson has been very helpful with my grief.

[@semiramismunoz8948]

Very sorry, be strong. Does your son become violent and psychotic in his final days? I have a problem with a dear nephew using these drugs. Thank you.

[@rebeccamays8675]

@@semiramismunoz8948 I was addicted to klonipin for 10 years, and went through withdrawal. The drug did cause me to be very aggressive and changed my personality. It is an awful medication and it destroys lives.

[@rebeccamays8675]

I’m sorry for your loss. I hope the medical professionals learn about the dangers of these drugs soon.

[@semiramismunoz8948]

@@rebeccamays8675 thank you, glad you were able to stop.

[@junior.von.claire]

I’m sorry, Beth. Your sharing the story is useful and very appreciated. A huge fan of Dr. Peterson, he’s been very helpful for me, too. I’m nearly done tapering off benzo after 30 years. Bless you

[@albertolmos5059]

Dr. Grande, you sir, are a true professional. I enjoy your educational channel. No nonsense real life issues and examples. Thank you.

[@jadebouchard9563]

I stopped Clonazepam cold turkey after my pharmacologist told me I would feel uncomfortable for 3-4 days. I actually thought I was gonna die for a month, had delerium tremens and so many other frightening synptoms. I felt a bit better after a month but had other withdrawal symptoms for 7 years after. Most hellish experience in my life. People must be better informed about benzos and I am truly greateful for this video.

[@yodservant]

Same...it was horrible...stay OFF this dangerous drug!!

[@helphelp7562]

What made you take them in the first place?

[@OneDayAtATime365]

I had seizures.

[@colleendicks8992]

Yup! Went back to the doctor twice thinking I was going to die! He said it should only be a bit uncomfortable for 5-6 days!

[@OneDayAtATime365]

@@colleendicks8992 You clearly weren't physically dependent. 🙄

[@divinetime6115]

I wish Dr. Peterson and his family much healing and peace

[@smhollanshead]

skharri18 Is this really where you want to go? You are angry with Jordan Peterson, so they way to get even is to beat up his young daughter. Since when is beating up young women become admirable? You should go home and rethink your life because you are one sick puppy! Perhaps someone didn’t tell you beating up women is wrong. Seriously wrong!

[@carrotbailey]

skharri18 Yup❤️. She deserves the chance to be her best self one day too

[@milascave2]

@@smhollanshead We are talking about him, not his daughter.

[@teresadalessio1]

amen

[@humanbean1424]

He just did a podcast with his daughter Mikhala Peterson. He is doing much better after taking a non traditional rout. The man literally had just crawled out of hell. Glad hes back.

[@kristenweaver2018]

It just shows no matter who you are sometimes you need a little help to get through tough situations.

[@kathrinjohnson2582]

Exactly! We are only human . We can't take care of everyone else if we don't take care of our selves.

[@eyeamme1917]

👍👏❤.... When a like just isn't enough to express agreement.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

I wonder why he just checked in without attempting to taper off? (maybe he did, but I'm not hearing anything about addiction; only dependency [phys.])

[@eyeamme1917]

@@ChadDidNothingWrong I wonder if it's because he feels that removing himself from the stresses of life is the most effective way for him personally? I could see how that might make sense, particularly when the underlying mental health issue is one where the person experiences severe chronic panic or anxiety attacks. Just a guess. Hopefully, when he's ready, he'll tell us.

[@ytho8838]

Travis Ryno he needs to rip the bandage off quickly because his wife is severely ill! And while I agree that tapering quite often is the best method, one can’t always afford it

[@kittenkorleone2918]

Last time I heard, Peterson is human. NOBODY EVER THINKS THEY'LL BE THE ONE TO BECOME DEPENDENT. It happened to me.

[@sonofhibbs4425]

It needs to end, this idea that people are “addicted” to benzodiazepines. Unless taking them as an street drug like addicts would do, for most prescribed, it’s not at all like the patient WANTS the drug. One is FORCED to take it to balance out the way the brain is now used to having it. If you don’t, you are going to have a really painful mentally physical emotional time of it. To stop there’s only one way out and it’s to go through mega hell.

[@kittenkorleone2918]

@@sonofhibbs4425 I used the word dependent, not addicted.

[@kittenkorleone2918]

@Starscream91 I was trying to differentiate that not all that are dependent employ addict behavior. I know some that are dependent but continue to take their medicine as prescribed and can do so for years without getting into trouble. Addicts usually can go through a months worth of meds in just a few days and then turn to the streets to continue using at that same rate, commit crimes in order to facilitate the huge amount of money in order to do just that. They also lie to the doctor in order to get progressivity more and doctor shop to have multiple scripts going at once. Addict behavior isn't always present in those who are merely dependent.

[@milascave2]

@@sonofhibbs4425 You are literally describing physiological addiction, which works the same way whether one gets the drugs from a doctor or off the street. You take it for whatever reason, to deal with anxiety, for fun, whatever. It works, so you keep doing it. You lose track of how long you have been doing it, and when you try to stop, you find that it is really, really hard. That is the definition of addiction.

[@milascave2]

@@kittenkorleone2918 But some people can start with the one, and then gradually move to more of the "classic" addict behavior when the drug stops working the way it did at first. I am not saying there is no room for prescribed mind-altering medication. But the one between that and the kind of addiction you describe, caused by an escalating tolerance among other things, is a thin and slippery one.

[@duaneblake7986]

I think that mental health professionals like you (like Dr. Peterson) openly sharing and educating people like this is hugely important to breaking the stigma and ignorance around these topics. Bravo.

[@Hamyhamster24]

After watching hours of his videos, I can’t say I didn’t see this coming. His lectures has helped me in ways I never knew I needed and ultimately straightened myself because of it. I used to have a victim mindsets and blamed everyone for my miserable upbringing. Coming across Jordan Peterson was a huge blessing in my adult life. With that being said, I completely understand the amount of pressure and scrutiny he has to deal with, and even for someone like him, it’s bound to collapse some day. I’m so glad he’s getting the help.

[@julian65886]

Peterson had said at nauseam that anxiety and depression run in his family. He has been on SSRIs in the past. And he understands depression and anxiety. Knowing the situation inside out does not make the symptoms go away.

[@julian65886]

Psychonaut yep, some people have weakness. He comes from a background of profound anxiety. It is a weakness based on a physiologic problem with the amygdala. But, you are correct all sick people have a weakness.

[@fabjonjon]

Yeah I have had depression for the last 30 years. Last thing any sane doctor would do is prescribe me large quantities of benzodiazepines or opiates. Just makes things worse. Rebound anxiety. Turn something small into something big. These kind of drugs are the easy way out. Peterson sounds like more of a drug addict than a guy that didnt research his meds before increasing his dose and frequency. He is blaming it on trying to stop cold turkey, which is NOT advised by any real doctor, and he is running the show. There is absolutely no reason for him to quit cold turkey. He has a script and he is legit. He obviously ramped up his use and his doctor probably gave him an ultimatum because he wouldnt follow the taper regimine. I'm guessing he has tried to taper multiple times and burned his bridges. Doctor cant say crap (HIPA) though so Jordan can lie and make up whatever reason he wants. Doctors wouldnt advise cold turkey. Red flags. He will probably still get a benzodiazepine taper in rehab. He just cant follow the rules on the outside probably. What goes up must come down. There is no biological free lunch. He got years of ultra relaxed numbness and used it to his advantage. Time to pay the price. Simple as that. Protracted withdrawal can last a very very very long time. Like years in some cases. The warnings and information on the dangers is EVERYWHERE! The only way to get addicted to this stuff to this point is to be ignorant on purpose.

[@MagnuM2980]

@@julian65886 Also many people who end up working in the mental health field are people who themselves have suffered from mental illness that want to help others going through the same thing.

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

I am so confused with all this meaning he be selling. Maybe if he had followed the 12 rules.

[@sonyajay7008]

@@fabjonjon Exactly. Thank you for saying this. There really is no reason to quit cold turkey.

[@llawliet3502]

I wish we had more people giving out quality and unbiased information and education in their realms of profession on youtube for free to the internet. There is so much to gain for human society as a whole from people like you, Dr. Grande.

[@klattalexis]

Had absolutely no idea what he was going through with his spouse's terminal cancer diagnosis. However, you could tell something was not right in his life when he would rotate his wedding ring during lectures & also get quite emotional at times for unknown reasons. Now it all makes sense. Being the intelligent person he appears to be, that was a smart move to check into rehab for withdrawal. My MD had me on the same drug clonazepam, for panic attacks & C-PTSD. Nobody told me about the horrible withdrawal symptoms either so I decided to stop using this medication cold turkey, as well. The first day was fine (likely due to the half-life) however the days that followed were horrible & I wondered if I could tough it out. It was touch & go hour by hour, day by day & very frightening too, especially at night. Now I take 1/2 mg under the tongue, Ativan, when I feel a panic attack coming on, maybe, once/week or every two weeks. My new MD hates to refill my prescription telling me that these meds shorten a person's life. Although I don't say anything in rebuttal, I'm thinking it's all about quality of life, not length of life Prayers for Mr. Peterson and his family!.

[@LW-ej6id]

Why exactly do they lower a person's lifespan? Is it because of liver damage? I was on Clonazepam for 10 years after my borderline husband killed himself when I was very young. Ugh...became dependent. Finally my life became stable enough to start tapering off. But that didn't work. I had to quit cold turkey to quit. No medical professional ever told me this would shorten my life, or even that they were addictive. I was prescribed in 2008. Went cold turkey in 2018. Tapering didn't work because there was always more available and even at the slightest hint of withdrawal, I would take the full dosage. I should have done this at rehab but didn't have the finances. Eventually, i just decided i would rather brave any adverse side effects than continue to feel so depersonalized, drowsy, forgetful, and void of natural human emotion. I really feel like what these medical professionals did was criminal. Continuing me on this substance for so long without warning, without suggesting I maybe had unresolved emotional issues from the trauma of my husband's suicide. Therapy never really helped either. I tried that with at least 3 different therapists. I wish had just been more forgiving of myself. If i panic, then i panic. If i am not normal after this tragedy, then so be it. I would extend that care to anyone else. Instead i spent most of my 20s achieving much less than i should have, unable to form bonds with other people who were worthy and deserving of them. That all changed when i met the wonderful man who is my husband now. That is when my life gained enough stability to quit, whatever the consequences. I owe so much to that man. So...idky I'm rambling like this. lol...you decide what treatment works for you. Guess i just needed to talk about this terrible experience. (I even had a psychiatrist tell me that i should be able to just reduce my dosage to the point of quitting within 2 days after being on it for 6 yrs. He told me this because i told him i recommended to one of my coworkers not to start a benzo prescription bc they are addictive. He told me i didnt know what i was talking about. Pretty shocking really..never went back.)

[@meagiesmuse2334]

@@LW-ej6id - I am very sorry for what you endured and am glad you got off them! I am amazed that you are still able to take a benzo once in awhile w/o problems. I was not told that was possible after withdrawal. I was put on Xanax back in 1986 for muscle spasms that were throwing me off my feet due to a physical illness that is incurable. I was told it was not addictive and that my only alternative was a wheelchair. I read the research that they cause dementia in 2017 and decided to go off. I did know you have to taper from working with others with my illness. It took me 2 years of hell to get off them, with almost no sleep the entire time, and tomorrow I will have one year free of them and I am still in withdrawal. I was told at the benzobuddies forum that it can take over two yrs. for withdrawal symptoms to even start going away! Sadly, I used Benadryl to help me sleep during withdrawal and recent research shows it is even more likely to cause dementia, so now I have to try to get off of it and figure out how to sleep somehow. I am sure the withdrawal so far has taken many years off my life just from the horrible effects on the body and brain from too little sleep. I read a blog by a young female doctor who went off Ativan with 6 other doctor friends who were on it. It took her 4 yrs. of not working, and she needed full time in home nursing care to make it. All 6 of her friends committed suicide during withdrawal! I do not think drug salespeople tell doctors any of this and that should be criminal!

[@LW-ej6id]

@@meagiesmuse2334 Wow, my withdrawal symptoms lasted nearly a year but it was really only terrible the first few months. I don't know if you were talking to me but I definitely do not take them anymore. It wouldn't even be fun recreationally. Just exhausting. Clonazepam definitely ruined my 20s. I wish I could go back. I hope it's possible to not get dementia after taking them for so long. I have been sober for over a year and am expecting my first born in January. I finally feel like a normal person and am happy to start what I should have started awhile back, now, at 32. 🙂

[@meagiesmuse2334]

@@LW-ej6id It was Alex Katt who is still taking some once in awhile. I agree with you and would not risk that. I am very glad you have your life back!

[@frugalfrugal1307]

L W, please don't call yourself sober unless you were drinking alcohol too at the time. These drugs cause dependency, not addiction, no different from blood pressure medications that your body stops making it's own neurochemicals with. You were not an addict, please don't treat yourself like one honey. ❤

[@Theloversconjure]

I feel so bad for him. People are jerks for judging so harshly. I have an anxiety disorder and it’s crippling- benzos are life changing when you truly need them. I remember the first time taking one and thinking “wow- is this how normal people feel?” Luckily I never became addicted but I can absolutely see how that could happen. I wish him a speedy recovery.

[@user-jp1zr1qw7j]

Same I don’t have intrusive thoughts ocd anymore and I don’t find it addictive .

[@TcFitnessLLC]

I never took more than prescribed. Please look at the side effects and be aware . I felt better when taking the meds , however it mummified me so bad that I lost a ton of cognitive functions mainly my 5 senses came back full circle and I saw color again. Be careful please .. and good luck !!

[@acw3007]

His daughter recently uploaded a video going into great detail about what happened. It seemed like a harrowing experience for the entire family. Grateful he is on the mend!

[@carriebell3566]

That stuff almost killed me. The withdrawals are diabolical.

[@Scorch428]

Cakewalk compared to opioids..

[@JesusChrist-rf9wn]

@@Scorch428 alcohol is way worse than both. Opiate withdrawals cant kill you, people complaining about opiate withdrawals are complete pussies compared to alcohol withdrawals, ive been through both multiple times and alcohol is far worse, just dont normally last as long, 2 weeks at worst

[@sk8n854]

Lol benzo withdrawal is a 1000 times worse than opioid withdrawal. Anybody that says otherwise just hasn't experienced the full effect of what benzo withdrawal can do.

[@achildr1]

Nathan Andrus 100% My only experience (I will do everything I can to never take a those drugs ever again) with benzodiazepines was absolutely hellish...for more than a year...when I only used the med in a short term way. It doesn’t even compare to opiate withdrawal.

[@sk8n854]

@@achildr1 yep man. Me too. An entire year of hellish withdrawal and akathisia. No opiate even comes close to what benzos can do to some people. Suicide is commonplace with people going through that shit. Does actual brain damage I swear. Even going back on doesn't fix it.

[@jwsuicides8095]

An important video for others to see how complex this can be. Mr Peterson and his family deserve healing - just like us. :)

[@PapaRadroach]

Thank you for the video on this! Best of luck to Dr. Peterson and his family

[@Runningwithpillows]

Because he is a human being with the same receptors as anyone else. No one is immune. Good for him for seeking help when needed, and recognizing it. I wish him & his family well.

[@megalopolis2015]

Im still learning about the half life of meds and how they affect recovery. Thank you for including this in your video. I pray for Dr. Peterson and his family often.

[@Intrepidus.]

Your channel and the material you cover is vitally helpful and impactful. Grateful.

[@maryfisher6569]

I was on clonazapam for 2 years for fibromyalgia. I went off it and never had any symptoms at all. So many blessing that we don't see in our lives.

[@Hitit123]

Consider yourself blessed beyond blessed! Please watch the Lisa Lang, special on Benzos on October 6th 2019. July 11th is BWAD day.

[@Zaan1028]

Are you still ok?because paws can kick in even after months of discontinuation

[@mike7920]

It's great to hear accounts like yours. Benzos affect different people very differently. We tend to only hear from the people who have had terrible experiences, for whom I have the deepest sympathy, but it's important to bear in mind that this is not the rule and people needn't be fearful or get too wrapped up in other people's experiences

[@mike7920]

@@Zaan1028 that's great! These stories need to be told because anyone new coming to this, about to start a taper, would look online for recovery stories and be totally terrified - I was

[@paranormalsoulcircle3176]

You are very fortunate God had your back!! You are a serious Miracle

[@LOdmaric]

I was hospitalized earlier this year for benzo withdrawal. It was awful, The physical withdrawal symptoms were bad enough but the fluorescent cockroache hallucinations were a waking nightmare. Yet, I still think benzodiazepines are such worthwhile drugs low dose/short term and under supervision. One note for mental health practitioners, please don’t treat those that come to you for assistance with withdrawal like spoiled children. It was demoralizing and made me want to go home and try the withdrawal unsupervised which would have been a disaster.

[@JustineBrownsBookshelf]

I had a similarly horrible experience withdrawing from benzos. I was hearing voices constantly in addition to everything else. The whole thing lasted about two years. My family and friends had a terrible time as well.

[@affectivity]

Little Blue I have no problem believing that. I felt as if the walls were closing in on me.

[@affectivity]

Clonazepam is used as an anti-seizure medication. I never had seizures, but if I abruptly quit clonazepam now, I now risk having seizures.

[@taylormorgan7919]

@M!ssundaztood I am so sorry for your suffering! However, I understand and I fear I am right there with you. I was on clonazepam for 7 years alternating between 1 mg and 4 mg per day. I took as prescribed by my psychiatrist. I was having a horrendous time on it so I decided to get off of it slowly. I tapered down 1 mg per year (2014-2016) until the last mg which I hastily tapered in 3-4 months (2017). Holy hell ensued! Overwhelming fear, impending doom, burning inside and out, akathisia, muscle stiffness, jerking, head pressure and balance issues were dreadful but the cognitive issues were the worst. I had intense head pressure, dementia symptoms, zero concentration, couldn't understand language, could barely speak, SEVERE memory impairment, can't learn new things and can't remember old things. Difficult to do basic math. Hard to read! Couldn't drive and became very dependent. I am still suffering over two years off. Oh my God. I received ZERO warnings about the dangers of benzodiazepines from my doctor. I wish I had researched the potential horrors of this drug before consuming. I trusted my doctor and believed a "pill" could help. Now I live with dementia-like symptoms and may be headed for permanent early dementia. All from a little pill. I have zero family history of dementia or Alzheimer's. People should give INFORMED CONSENT before taking this pill for any length of time. I feel lost and scared for the future just like you. Utter devastation!

[@divergence_tiffanyramos4337]

Little Blue: I couldn't agree more. Healthcare professionals tend to treat patients that are going through withdrawal like they're social lepers. My Mother in law has a pain pump, and her pain management doctor decided to switch the medication that had been administered to her for over four years to a different one. The first day after the change in medication she was fine. This was a Friday. By Saturday afternoon she was going into withdrawal. Early Sunday morning around 2.am she was in bad shape. We called her doctor, and because it was a weekend he instructed us to take her to the emergency room. He instructed us on what information to give to the physician and he would accept a call from the physician if they needed anymore information. My Mother in law was in agony and truly suffering. They treated her like she was one of the worst drug addicts in existence. They refused to consult her specialist. They ignored her and talked down to her like she was the scum of the earth. She basically suffered and was never treated for the withdrawal. Here's the reality. At that time my mother in law was 82 years old. Her pain pump carries less than 3oz. of medication and only administers medication to the troubled areas in her back. She was in a severe car accident and her back was broken in several places. Through the years she had three surgeries, but they did little to help her. She was a senior in crisis withdrawing from the medication change. You would've thought she was a serial killer who killed a multitude of people on a massive scale the way that emergency staff handled her. I think many doctors and healthcare providers need to be retrained on how best to deal with patients in withdrawal. My Mother in law didn't run out of medication to soon, nor did she over medicate. She has never used illicit drugs. She's not an I.V. drug user. She simply had her medication changed and it wasn't the right medication for her body. I found the whole experience brutally torturous, nonproductive, cruel, and unjustly judgemental. Instances like these need to never happen regardless of why an individual is in withdrawal. No one should be treated like that. She was so humiliated and in tears. I don't wish that treatment on my worst enemy.

[@chrism1060]

When I went through benzodiazepine withdrawal, it was absolutely unbearable. I couldn't sleep or eat and I had the sensation of restlessness and wanting to jump out of my skin. It was the worst thing I've ever went through and that includes opiate withdrawal which in my opinion was somewhat similar.

[@KoolT]

Yes, it is the CRAWLING skin. And like dyskinesia

[@bw8939]

I had the same reactions. Also extreme psychological symptoms like out of body feeling, separated from God. Like I was in hell. Extreme anguish. Horror. And that was after I tapered down. Several days off completely then these horrors started. And medical professionals didn't believe me.

[@DarkoFitCoach]

@@bw8939 how long did it take for ur symptoms to go away?

[@kathleencannon4489]

agreed, the shakes can be so bad you cant even walk

[@klintmacnugget6688]

the opioids your done with the heavy lifting after 7 to 10 days, sure your badly depressed for a long time afterwards but man benzo withdrawal it just goes on and on and on month after month.

[@kayb.179]

You've done a good job of discussing this situation while being respectful of the persons involved. I appreciate the lack of exploitation and sensationalism that KZbin is rife with. Well done.

[@nancywysocki]

Dear one.... thank you for the elegant way you approach these topics. Liking the goatee handsome.... hugs from Canada

[@justnoted2995]

Dr. Grande thank you for your teaching on Benzodiazepines; the risks of addiction and withdrawal symptoms (although medication taken on prescription with good intent). Also for your sympathy for a colleague's dilemma with this. Life at times is tough, and we all deal with our sufferings. Thank you for your service to the mental health community.

[@racheljohnson882]

I've been taking clonazepam for over 10 years. There was a time when I was in between doctors and ran out. I went for 10 days without it before I ended up in the ER! I literally did NOT sleep for those 10 days. Severe insomnia, panic attacks 24/7, I felt like my heart was skipping beats! Hands down the most traumatizing experience of my life. If I'm getting low on refills for the clonazepam, it makes me feel panicky. It's sad because I'm 37 and I will most likely always be dependent on this drug. My body is addicted to it.

[@themegapkr516]

I’m 23 I’ve been on it for 7 years. I finally got a doctor to lower the dose with me gradually. I went from 3 mg a day to .5 a day. I also use CBD oil to substitute for the anxiety. It helps me so much. Klonopin saved me from suffering when I needed it most but now it’s a crippling addiction if I don’t take it for a few days bad things happen

[@kitt3ncake445]

I’ve been Clonipin dependent for 18 yrs. with my psychiatrist over 3 yrs I’ve been able to taper from 6mg to 1.5 mg day. I’ve had seizures from not being able to get refills 3 times. Not fun. Hate it. Wish I’d never taken it wish I’d never been prescribed.. my regular doctors let me just pop em thru the years. I hate it.

[@GnosticAtheist]

I wonder what would happen to people like us, dependent on any drug, if the system collapses. Its not like we can stock up on it, at least not for long. Fingers crossed for a stable economy lol

[@michaelstagar4254]

It is possible to ween off with physicians help. Dont give up. You don't have to be a prisoner. You can do it.

[@Blondie727]

Kitt3n Cake Your situation sounds similar to mine except I’ve been scripted Xanax by a psychiatrist since a teenager. My primary doctor tried to take (wean) me off of it but I didn’t make it past day 3 because of the horrific withdrawal symptoms. I was in a dissociative state, had brain zaps (along with insomnia) & felt panicky 24/7. My doctor was disappointed but not surprised that I’m dependent on them. Luckily, I never had a seizure. :(

[@akehapkap6143]

I really appreciate this, Dr Grande. When you know a loved one with this exact problem. Thank you ❤️👍

[@corvettedm1]

I stopped taking Klonopin in January 2019 after moving away from my doctor. I was completely unable to do basic things until the following May. God! I will never, EVER, take it again. I still have symptoms. I just cannot be in a position to have to rely on medical professionals to provide that medication. I honestly wanted to die. I’ll never get over it.

[@ZahdShah]

How long were you on it for? Did you gradually reduce your dosage?

[@kellygibson1146]

My doctor wrote me 90 Klonopin and 90 Xanax every month that was way too much for anyone and I am a small girl!!!!! He got busted and I had to quit cold turkey no other choice!!! But it's been over a year and I'm still going thru it!!! Wouldn't wish this on anyone!!!!!

[@CzechRiot]

Just switch to heavy weight lifting.

[@Jmt3]

Its not a chronic withdrawal but definitely very lasting depending on how much and long

[@CzechRiot]

People who are no t into sports will have slower metabolism and also may likely be more prone to ill effects from anxiety, because in sports you can let it out, and it also produces endorphins. That does not necessarily mean even athletes will not have mental problems or anxiety problems. But it is more likely for people who are pressured socially to sit on a computer all day, or always have to pretend to be in a positive mood to deal with people at work, school or whatever. It is difficult to have a lifestyle that really suits you. I believe most people with these “social mental issues“ are basically trapped in a place they do not really like, with people they do not really like or get along, doing things they do not really like or care about. But education, formation, social pressure, made them tolerate that, and believe that life is like this to everyone. But, even though everyone will, one time or another, go through “bad things“ in life, such as illness, death of people they like , etc., many people live a life where they feel like they really belong, and like it enough to tolerate much easily these bad natural life events.

[@goat2503]

Decrease micro dosages over a period of several months to a year. Might sound like a long time, but cold turkey will mess you up.

[@eratoisyourmuse659]

Yep. Been there, done that. It sucks so bad.

[@silvana8246]

Goat. So does tapering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@OldSkoolGeneral]

Yes a reduction prescription works very well done it twice.

[@SylentEcho]

Yup. I've noticed that too. Cold turkey quitting, made me borderline crazy and anxiety-ridden.

[@raymondkozlowski7946]

On 0.25 klonopin twice a day any suggestions help getting off these comments are terrifying

[@لمىالشريف-غ8ك]

He has overthinking and over analyzing patterns. High class educator. I cannot imagine the amount of pressure, he has been under. He mentioned his daughter having a chronic illness as well. It is natural to crash under pressure. I hope we don’t lose such a magnificent thinker. Take good care of yourself Dr. Grande

[@globalmuffin2]

good riddance, but the asshole is fine.

[@shadowbandit3975]

I think his wife has cancer, is what I read. Maybe it was his daughter.

[@djanitatiana]

@faultroy Put some effort into getting a grip on you emotions and take quick look at the facts. Peterson's wife was presented with a terminal diagnosis for a fatal kidney cancer with a very poor prognosis, a situation that was exacerbated by a resective surgical procedure that resulted in a dangerous complication. Peterson, like any decent husband married to the same woman for 35+ years, experienced a lot of distress trying to come to terms with her suffering and the loss of his wife was prescribed medication by his psychiatrist. We are not all the same biology and different people have different predispositions to addiction. Peterson became dependant on benzodiazepine as detailed by Dr Todd. All the sociological detail in your agenda is irrelevant to the circumstances of a person facing the death of his partner.

[@djanitatiana]

​@faultroy I know what your simplistic uninformed point is, it's not complicated. But you are an idiot who takes pleasure in other peoples misfortune so why don't you do something about that instead of spreading your angry, bitter and obvious personal failings on the internet?

[@sulphate3348]

@faultroy Wow, jealous much? You sound like you could develop a little compassion for your fellow human beings. The amount of money a person has shouldn't define their character or the amount of pain they may suffer...or even the sympathy another could give them.

[@vickielawson3114]

I hope he's doing much better. I was saddened to hear he'd had to go through this.

[@errorsofmodernism9715]

in my experience, professionals overestimate their mental discipline in relation to an addiction situation. They believe they can simply use "will power" to stop like they have done to apply themselves to their studies and profession for example. They underestimate the actual physical and psychological symptoms of addiction.

[@flopimus]

Give back the money!!!!

[@jessie330]

Dancing with the devil is definitely not a walk in the park

[@klintmacnugget6688]

to simplistic, the trouble is this medication is very effective in the short term and a key medication in bringing a highly distressed person back from the edge, so if something is working for you you are going to keep taking right? and thats where the trouble begins, very quickly benzos get to work changing your brain as you now have such an excess of this drug in your system your brain keeps creating extra receptors to absorb it all, now if you just stop, your body has long since stopped the production of any natural anti-anxiety mechanisms , and now you have all these extra receptors screaming for what they need, so with nothing coming into the body to feed these can you imagine the mental and physical ramifications for the user, the longer they have been on benzos the more the brain has changed the worse the hell up to actually death.

[@staceytheresatammytinataco5488]

An absolutely amazing description of withdrawal.

[@melindac3368]

When you have anxiety and panic that's so bad it paralyzes you, you're willing to try just about anything for help. Speaking for myself here. I'm happy to have it because it changed my life in a very positive way.

[@ZahdShah]

I'm glad it helped. How long do you intend to stay on it? Have you considered sustainable solutions to your anxiety?

[@AngTheCanadianPilot]

I’ve gone through many stressful situations- the best thing I’ve never taken any drugs. Just reconditioned my thinking.

[@J13-h6y]

I doubt it.

[@joycejnn]

Lucky you you were able to do that as so many can not

[@Ivyboma]

Thanks Doctor for an objective yet emphatic analysis of the issue. Regards.

[@patmills8395]

I love Jordan Peterson he has what we all need COMMON SENSE STRAIGHT FORWARDNESS COMPASSION AND REAL CARE FOR PEOPLE.

[@Jennifer-wv3jt]

Dr Grande this video is maybe one of your best. I think you did a really good job explaining the pros and cons of prescription drugs with unbiased data and non judgmental analysis. Thank you for that. I also say kudos and thanks to Mr. Peterson for sharing his difficult experience with the general public, not to be criticized, but to offer learning opportunities for people showing what can happen…to anybody, including clinicians. Thank you gentlemen, I appreciate what you do for us.

[@williams.vincent4235]

As a former certified Addiction Counsellor I can say that we've known about the dangers of benzodiazepine addiction/withdrawal for decades and yet thousands including Mental Health Professionals continue to get into trouble with these medications.

[@psilocycho2761]

These legal drug dealers have essentially killed my mum is what in getting from this.. shes 52, got prescribed valium to help deal with our family pets passing, that was over 1.5 years ago, shes currently withdrawing, in a real bad way and im worried a seizure might kill her.. shes too weak to drive to hospital and is still shit scared of covid so isnt really doing anything.. just laying there. Its 430am and ive been awake for 2 hours stressing out .. what a mess :(

[@klintmacnugget6688]

@@psilocycho2761 damn bro

[@Roudter]

Chemical dependence in some ways is similar to a torrid love affair - things change when it's time to say goodbye. And even with a healthy mindset, anyone who successfully breaks an addiction feels, at some level, a mourning for that old companion...Then you realize just how damned vulnerable we all are. Thanks!

[@hayleybourgault4114]

That was right on the money!!!

[@roseman164]

Patient: Doctor I feel awful Doctor: Take these every day. They will make you feel better Patient: I feel much better now. Thanks doc! Doctor: Great! Patient: OMG! I am freaking out doc!!!! Doctor: Oh.....I forgot to mention.....the meds do that when you stop taking them. It should subside in oh....about two years.

[@cybermonk6364]

Psychiatry is just abject failure like that yes and its a lot worse for some.

[@JanetSmith900]

They usually deny it’s the medication and tell you you need more.

[@megbee7423]

@@JanetSmith900 That's just wrong. Wow. I've never had that experience with a doctor but I know it happens. Even the best of them can get lazy and greedy though. I've definitely seen that.

[@towel1636]

@@JanetSmith900 yes, always. As a teenager I was overdosed by my doctor, it's never enough for them.

[@dahliafiend]

Sadly common and among medical doctors. OxyContin for instance.

[@Amy4000]

"______ should have known..." is one of the most classless statements one can make.

[@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis]

Im fine with being low class

[@kingayy9267]

@Der Stoff aus dem Joghurt gemacht ist For what purpose? To make ignorant comments about people you don't know? Or do you mean "low class" regarding a different aspect?

[@GrayWolfWRX]

I’ve worked in inpatient rehab and detox for the past few years and am currently interning to become a counselor. This can and does effect people from all walks of life. Nurses, doctors, pharmacists, EMT’s, cops, therapists, dentists, wealthy, educated, and everything in between. Addiction truly does not discriminate.

[@sarahrodrigues2231]

Add the fact that mental health professionals have a highly stressful jobs.

[@xxrngxx5]

and the constant scrutiny and pressures Mr. Peterson faces from society in general

[@DrBAddictionRecovery]

Thanks for covering this, Dr. Todd! Not enough content on the subject matter! Would love to do a video with you to discuss more if interested.

[@tyrel-fg7zf]

Doctor be is 1 week taking klopomin for sleep 0.25 mg safe to get of? I m gonna stop tonight

[@janycebrown4071]

I am happy that he got the help he needed.

[@aaronhorenstein7501]

I took clonazepam for years to deal with anxiety issues. I took 2 mg every eight hours. I tapered off of it gradually, and took my last (tiny) dose on January 1, 2000. Far from craving it, I felt so much better off of it than I did while taking it. I suppose I should be very thankful that I did not suffer addiction, or excessive anxiety after quitting the drug. Thank you so much for this informative video.

[@aaronhorenstein7501]

@Soccer Lover It's been 20 years, but I don't recall insomnia being a problem.

[@aaronhorenstein7501]

@Lazy Hazy I am not a medical professional. I'm only a patient. I regret I can't answer your question.

[@ghostship85]

@Percival Sweetwater it sounds like you have no problem acquiring it. As for me....my Dr. didn't die but rather was arrested apparantly and charged with running a pill mill apparantly. So, NO Dr. wants to write anyone new. They all just snub you. So I'm 61 and am always concerned on how to get my next script. Last one was at an ER. Here's the good news. I was on 3.0 per day (switched from xanax about 5-6 years ago) for about 16 years. They...as you know, work so well. I rarely took 3 in a day but 90 per month was always my script. 1.0 . So now I find out just how strong this medication is. It was (and should be for you) so easy to get to where I am now at .5 , 4 or 5 times per week. That's only 2.5 per week! The reason we can get by on so little is because of the half life and slow pace at which the affect is completely gone.....SO, when we are getting off Clonapin, we always have more in our system than we realize. Another problem these days is that ALL hotlines do nothing at all. They are there to try to get you in their rehab center for your $. Getting down from a little to 0 is the hard part. It scares me to the point where if I can find a Dr. to write me my little script, I would just die on this stuff. Also, buying on the street will only get you to prison. .

[@OliversWorld333]

I am going through this right now but could not taper. Its like day 10 or more without any benzo, but it is so much back n forth from feeling bad thinking its over and then boom its back. HOw long did your taper take? My doctor is a shady person who only offers to send me home with like a month supply then goodbye...which wont work and I dont even know how to do it. All the facilities around here will NOT give out benzo even for a taper! I would consider going and FOR SURE if it does not get better sooner that later IF somewhere would taper me safely, because I have felt like ive almost had few siezures (i would know because i used to have them when I was younger, but it has been over 10 years since i had one). So I would really like to know some details about your taper...ANYTHING WOULD HELP!!!!!!!!

[@Frankboss43]

I know this was two years ago but how long did you suffer from anxiety after you left them?

[@SHx589]

Huge respect to JBP for admitting he has a problem that he can no longer control and seeking help. That’s a man in my eyes.

[@zeddeka]

The idea that something makes a "man" is toxic in itself and a large part of the reason why so many men suffer and end up committing suicide. Would you be saying that something made a "woman" ? We can talk about being a responsible adult without gender stereotypes.

[@zeddeka]

@@Rollwithit699 he's human and, like all humans, is deeply flawed. That means that he, like everybody else, is often seriously wrong about a lot of things. Never hero worship anybody. They're all bound to be very wrong a lot of the time.

[@noodles6390]

@@Rollwithit699 They've nothing better to do ... calling this a crisis while in other lands womens doesn't even have freedom and these people whine about pronounces ... back in the day it doesn't bother them. It's just a trend to get triggered by such first world bullsh*t.

[@c824767]

i just wish he could start fighting the medical establishment to stop the epidemic

[@jeffsaviano7906]

I have been on Benzos for two decades. First it was Xanax, they really don`t prescribe that anymore, then it was clonazepam. Clonazepam is a long acting benzo, meaning it has a long half life in the bloodstream. I guess I`m still on them to feel 'normal" because one time the clinic forgot to call my prescription in and on the 3rd day, I was starting to go crazy.

[@CornholioDK]

I took these meds for a week many years ago and they are horrible and turns you Into a zombie and the side effects are just not worth it if you ask me.

[@picklep9812]

It took me two years to get off Valium through a reduction program at UBC.

[@iWillWakeYouUp]

@Michelle Staunton Same, I went cold turkey off diazepam, not knowing any better. Just did it by myself. I would never do that again. It felt like I could die any moment for weeks, before the post-acute withdrawal hell began. Only after a few months when I did research did I realize in what huge danger I had gotten myself into by cold turkeying. NEVER go cold turkey off any drug. Always taper. Be safe, people. Nobody's giving out gold medals for going CT and not seeking help.

[@baicamarian]

@@iWillWakeYouUp i have been taking diazepam for 3 years , now i am tapering from 10 to 5 mg , its have been already 4 days , i have some withdrawal symptoms but is manageable , i am going to stay for 3 4 months on 5 mg , and then 2.5 mg until i quit for good

[@oriolallison5868]

Wish Dr Peterson and his family all the best.

[@mariadambrosio3423]

As always dr grande is a wealth of info. . and a class act ..he never insults or mocks those who he is speaking about

[@nana.naghmana9]

In the end of the day we all are humans. We all need help from somewhere. Its normal n natural. Blessings for all.

[@mikemoats2710]

I noticed that my pot lowers my blood pressure, and food really taste good. Where my psychotropic drugs made me hear voices and buy weapons.😲

[@gocanada9749]

good for you !

[@damiandunbar6702]

They should teach this in schools . Thanks for the video.

[@ginakendrick2581]

My dad is struggling after 40+ years at age 86 tried so hard to get off of a benzo. It breaks my heart to see how depressed he is and he shakes I am happy to say he’s eating but he’s pretty much in a state that is sad and so difficult at this age to see him suffer like this they put him on a different kind of benzodiazepine to help him sleep but it’s not working. Thank you for all your help and work I’m watching lots of videos to be informed

[@Decgyrrl]

I wish Dr. Peterson & family, all the best. May they b safe. God bless🕊

[@DrAdnan]

You never know what people are going through

[@curtismartin9054]

Well as a public figure, he is under the microscope. He chose to take pills to make life easier, after repeating telling his viewers to be strong. Classic example of a hypocrite. His credibility is shot.

[@lorimav]

@@curtismartin9054 Would it have been better to tell people to give up and wallow in self pity?

[@nedi1150]

@@curtismartin9054 He's never hid the fact he takes meds though, he was on antidepressants for years which he has said many times on podcasts, he only went off them fully when he went on the carnivore diet I believe. I am not a fan of antipsychotics at all and if I hadn't known he took them long term, by listening to him, I genuinely would have been really surprised by his dependence right now but I wasn't at all surprised, it's sad and I hope he recovers. I first came across Jordan Peterson many many years ago when Maps of Meaning was on my reading list in University, so I found it fascinating when in recent years he became a poster child for lost men and then he was suddenly a right-wing poster child and then far right and then during the Kavanagh case he tweeted something that I 100% disagreed with but many of his Fanclub went nuts and suddenly he was a sell-out or he was controlled opposition and blah blah blah, I really like Peterson but he basically preaches common sense, it shouldn't need to be preached but these days it actually does, but the way his followers put him on a pedestal I found concerning as the man is highly intelligent and also highly emotional and has been dependant on antipsychotics for much of his adult life, this doesn't take away from his teachings but people need to remember he's only human and he makes mistakes, shit loads at that but he is a good person, but I notice many of his followers have a blind acceptance of everything he says and commentary on Peterson from the left is usually a batant misrepresentation. Sorry for the long comment, I hope he gets well and I hope this will be the final time he turns to benzos or the like, if you have ever suffered withdrawals, then I'm sure you realise that Peterson himself probably feels like a huge failure right now.

[@cheikhhmayadi6870]

@@nedi1150 I believe that he shouldn't have used those drugs at first even if he was going through excessive anxiety and difficulties, If only he had born in mind that such a medication will affect his life.

[@djanitatiana]

@@curtismartin9054 A spectacularly ignorant comment, do you lack the insight to understand "chose to take pills to make life easier" indicts most of medicine? Virtually all pills and medical procedures "make life easier" , that's their function you twit. Just a nasty vindictive comment and probably not your first or last.

[@karenwise3138]

The stigma attached to "going to rehab" out in the world seems to carry a cloud of judgment which has often confused me. It takes courage to realize that the medicine the Dr prescribed, that's helping you "manage" emotions during a very tough time can become a crutch. To those who say He should have known better... I say, He did that's why he sought help.. ❤

[@christinedeacutis5093]

unfortunately, rehab did not help with the withdrawal symptoms

[@maristella287]

Very good video. Thanks for going over the half life of each one also.

[@DrGrande]

You are most welcome!

[@greenfriends9438]

20 years ago I worked for mental health charity in the UK. A group of service users were supporting each other to come off Valium they had been prescribed, sometimes since the 1970'2 and 80's . What they did was to support each other to withdraw by reducing their medication extremely slowly over a very long time. They reduced by shaving the tiniest bit from the tablets with a razor blade and then staying at that level for some weeks, and then shave the next tiny tiny bit from a tablet and on and on and on until they reached zero. Brave dedicated people who had not been able to get help from medical professionals and got together and worked out for themselves how to do it. and it did work, people who stayed the course got free, slowly. I believe that drug companies got wise to this type of practice and a lot of so called mental health medication in tablet form now has a hard coating or similar so you cant reduce the dose yourself in this way. This group really touched me because I grew up in a UK town in the late 60's and 70's ,where the Roche factory was. Everyone was on Valium. There were cafes near the train station where Londoners would come down to score, it was a racket. My father was on Valium. He was insane with it in the end. Violent and angry rather than mellow as you might expect. A friend whose Mother took Valium in those days describes the same medicated fury. Maybe thanks to JP and people like yourself we might all take another look at these drugs and take their negative impact on the person prescribed them AND THOSE CLOSE TO THEM more seriously. A drug that produces the symptoms it claims to alleviate when you stop taking does not suggest healing to me, but guaranteed dependency. And yes. I would still agree with you that there might well be circumstances where Valium might have a very short term and beneficial impact on a mental health crisis or indeed as you say to carefully reduce from other medications. Personally I feel that anything over 2 weeks is too long.

[@sashalu13]

Benzos are literally life saving in certain situations. I am a true insomniac. I sleep 3-4 hours every 4 plus days, and that's if lucky. I have PTSD and anxiety. Benzos have allowed me to sleep. Reduced anxiety. I am healthier even though I went through dual withdrawals & neared death. See other post if interested. Brian

[@Youwinmeta]

Karen Freeman I also have severe lifelong insomnia (along with RLS). I’ve gone to the top sleep clinics (Toronto and Stanford) and tried all the standard non-benzo approaches and medications. I’ve been on and off clonezepam for approx 15 years. Tolerance has always been an issue and so I take more than prescribed, run out 10 days early, and have to pass that valley of withdrawal. It’s pretty horrible, but having done it so many times (probs 2x/year) I know what to expect and that for me it lasts about a week. This makes it bearable. I have major concerns about taking it for so many years, like memory, but I cannot sleep without it. It can be a real bind for some people.

[@eleganceinbadtaste]

aw you two, much love and same. my insomnia was horrible in my early 20s, but has gotten worlds better in recent years. of course, I'm overly tired now, but its better than insomnia imo. I still rely on ambien, melatonin (OML every time someone asks if you've ever tried melatonin...) and clonipin. high tolerance has def been an issue too. I was on lorazapam for a while, which I really liked, and I really got addicted to, leading to 2 weeks of hell when I ran out. now I won't touch the stuff bc the withdrawal was so bad. but I know the desperation to sleep. just thinking about not having my sleeping meds gives me severe anxiety. I wish you both the best and hopefully some sleep.

[@KT-ie6vf]

Life saving? You just said you neared death from withdrawals?

[@eleganceinbadtaste]

@@KT-ie6vf they said in certain situations. benzos are commonly used for people who suffer from severe anxiety. panic attacks can be mistaken for a heart attacks, can make breathing difficult, along with a myriad of other symptoms, both physically and mentally disruptive. so yes, in those situations, they can be life saving in regards to quality of life, and perhaps even living in general.

[@nunya257]

eleganceinbadtaste Have you watched Unwell in Netflix? The first episode is about essential oils and lavender oil had the same effect as lorazepam in one study.

[@Geshtafshnifka]

He has been through so much,it’s only human,and he’s showing his strengths and vulnerabilities, I like that about him. Hope he feels better soon.

[@curtismartin9054]

We all have been through a lot. But yet we looked to him for strength. Now we find out he was taking pills to make life easier. It's called setting an example, and he didn't do a very good job.

[@Geshtafshnifka]

Phillip McCrevis I think that’s why people love celebrities,they are not perfect,that doesn’t stop people from looking to them for strength, because that’s sometimes what we need. Not everyone is totally independent and seeks inspiration or strength from only themselves.

[@gabilurio4270]

@@curtismartin9054 , perhaps instead of looking up to other people to take responsibility for your life and berating them for being human, you might want to learn how to be compassionate with yourself and others. Just a thought.

[@kamaliancirranoush1916]

Gabi Pirralho I think the lack of compassion comes from Peterson’s glaring conflict of interest. He profits from telling people how to live their lives, as an authoritative “professional” rambling on about “rules” etc. Oh and if you didn’t get it from his presentation he will gladly sell you a book.... Yet his outcomes are not as advertised. He puts himself in a position to be held at a higher standard, and be accountable for his personal outcomes based on his own “teachings”. Just an observation, I can’t imagine how crappy his personal situation is... But I think I will take advice from people achieving the results I desire.

[@Geshtafshnifka]

casey miller I get your point, but even those achieving those held standards may still get bumps on the road won’t they? Personally it gives me a lot of hope knowing that everyone has their own fights to fight. But I certainly understand what you’re saying.

[@gabrieljames1579]

It’s an awful withdrawal. I decided to try tapering myself off clonazepam during divorce (as I was already miserable and it felt like a productive thing to do). That was a terrible idea. After telling my doctor (which I should have done first), she prescribed liquid diazepam and assigned a strict taper schedule. It was immensely helpful and made the process more bearable...and safer.

[@The28thfish]

Expecting a counselor to never experience mental health issues is like expecting a doctor to never need medical treatment. the stigma is sad and I hope this situation, if anything, raises awareness. He absolutely did the right thing and he should be applauded for getting treatment to alleviate his withdrawal symptoms.

[@OliversWorld333]

I am in this boat right now. It has been almost two weeks and although its somewhat better, the feeling can come back at ANY TIME to make you feel the exact same. It is like an randomly chaotic ocean, one second you feel ok, and think you are getting better, and then the storm starts back up worse and vice versa. I am hopeful that I can get through this myself, but after almost 2 weeks I am not sure.

[@Rose-oq2hn]

@That VERY cute guy they don’t WANT to be addicted

[@billsmith2002]

They don’t tell you that you can’t quit cold turkey, or what the withdrawal effects could be when they prescribed them. Also, benzos were originally intended to be a short term treatment, and people get on them for years. Why would you defend the pharmaceutical companies that have a long and clear track record of putting profits over people? ​@In jail their gonna help youstraightenyour ass out

[@amandalidey329]

@@Rose-oq2hn ♤♤♤ Doesn't seem to know much so I don't take it personally. At all.

[@tinamodish]

@Name5 Most of us didn’t even know what we were taking…. I thought it’s like antibiotics or allergy pills where you can stop any time without getting these symptoms. My doctor told me there’s no side effects, maybe a little sleepy but that’s it. just take this 3 times a day everyday. One day I decided to stop taking it and had the worst symptoms ever. Then I researched what I was taking and was so shocked. I told my doctor and he said do not stop taking it and there’s NoWayyy this medication will give you these symptoms. I wish he had more knowledge and gave it to me short term when he prescribed it but he’s also taking it so there goes that. The fb group I’m in has been helping me and the Ashton manual helped me with understanding what’s going on.

[@jivenfields]

One thing is being an academic, intelectual, and researcher, another thing is preaching with the example in action in your own lifestyle, and most importantly how you act when there are no cameras or followers... That's the big difft

[@allisa-vi7lp]

Well done. Very true. Only misfortune is there are still many prescribers who either don't care or are clueless about the dangers of these drugs.

[@dmix2263]

The Xanax I take is used as needed and not as a scheduled 3 times a day but up to 3 times a day as needed. Going off this medication and then being exposed to triggers or even emotional abuse can also add to the side affects of the withdrawal. I think setting some healthy boundaries and as much as possible avoiding situations is a must when trying to go off of these types of medications. Maybe it’s an obvious suggestion, or to some something to consider.

[@kathrinjohnson2582]

You explained that so well. Makes perfect sense. Thank you. Get well soon Jordan Peterson!

[@evas6052]

THERE WAS NO REHAB!!!!! HE WAS LOST AND NOBODY COULD HELP HIM AS THERE IS NO REHAB FOR BENZOS

[@mariamilo487]

I have anxiety and my doctor prescribed these medications to me. He told me to take them everyday, a large dose, but I only take them sometimes when I can not survive through the day because of my symtoms. But after watching this video, I will not take them anymore, ever. Thank you, i was even more ignorant about this than I thought

[@wordsleuth992]

How large of a dose did he tell you to take?? You should give him some feedback about maybe not prescribing this for other patients as well, especially in large doses.

[@catharinepizzarello4784]

Important to work closely with your doctor for medication. Tell the truth. Tell everything. Medications take the edge off. Allows basic functions. The rest is up to the person.

[@elisamastromarino7123]

I don't much like his ideas nor manner, but this is heartbreaking to hear. No good person deserves this. Thank you for talking about this Dr Grande. 🌹👍It may have once been a Prozac nation but it's a benzodiazepine nation by now. 😔

[@stephenpowstinger733]

Elisa Mastromarino the VA won’t even give you bensodiazepines these days. Many civilian doctors are very tight with them as well. It think the heyday of them was decades ago.

[@kathrinjohnson2582]

@@stephenpowstinger733 yes you are Absolutely right. Where I live you have to have rich ppl insurance or they won't even mention them. And that goes for any mental meds. It's a problem because ppl that really should be on something are being sent back into society with out anything and they either cause harm to others or them selves or turn to street drugs for the help they need.

[@coolhandchris5960]

Damn! Watching this and reading people's testimonys make me feel panicky...

[@justwatching2302]

I gave you a “very happy” on the notification quiz pop up. I know they are trying to only promote brain dead content on you tube these days...keep it up 👍

[@anlace3447]

I have take benzos for years on and off. never had any problems going off them, and they are very helpful for me. we are all different.

[@anlace3447]

@Soccer Lover I am not lying "man". I know what I experienced. Years on Xanax and Valium. and i never had problems stopping, even after long periods of use. Everyone does not have the same body and brain "man".

[@jamesbradley3093]

Same here took xanax for years and other Benzos they saved my life only slight discomfort coming off for a few days. Lucky I guess

[@Србомбоница86]

Me too ,I truly can't believe these poor people have such issues ,I consider myself lucky

[@sharon8121]

I agree they help me as well. But the medical community now are taking people off and treating people like crazy drug addicts....a

[@justacatwhocantype]

I agree. I used to abuse benzos to the point that I would pop 2-3 blisters of 10mg of diazepam at a time and noone around me would know the difference. Coming off them (I tapered off slowly I must add) was not the issue. The problem afterwards were the rebound symptoms - I spent a very long time in a state of almost constant panic because over the years I had completely lost my coping skills. But as far as the physical part goes - yes, I agree, I did not have a hard time physically. But as you said, everyone is different, people should never forget that, benzo withdrawel *can* be very dangerous.

[@christianajones3312]

Three and a half years ago, I decided to go off Benzos rapidly while in treatment. I had been on benzos for 30 years 7.5 ml five times a day. I did not abuse them. I went off of them all in a2 month taper. At the end of it, I could not see for a period of time,lost the ability to walk and fell and broke my leg.I completely lost the ability to urinate naturally, and had to self catheterize myself for many months I hallucinated.. My brain crashed, and I came to the brink of death. I could not drive for three months, or read or write for many months. I was almost always bedridden for the first two years,getting incrementally better as time went on. Still suffer from tremendous nerve, muscle,and bone pain with impaired brain function. I still have crushing fatigue.I do not know if I will ever be the same.

[@johnmills3163]

We are all human, and we all experience times of fragility ! All the best Dr. Peterson.

[@davidthomspson9771]

Going to watch now.Peterson is a great guy wish him well and prayers for him.

[@curtismartin9054]

The guy has a PHD clinical psychology. He had to know the dangers of Benzos... He preaches all day long.. Be strong, be tough, yet the guy needs pills to get through the day. He is no different than any other addict. Complete hypocrite. Fooled us all, and you guys still eat it up.

[@colejames423]

Phillip McCrevis - he actually speaks pretty regularly about the benefits of medication, but ok

[@BunnyUK]

Phillip McCrevis - they said the same about Seneca in his times, and he said, he could offer help to a fellow sufferer, even if he wasn't perfect himself, or fully healthy himself.

[@lamolambda8349]

Looks like he got brain damage from those Russian doctors putting him in an artificial coma.

[@chazdog789]

Dr. Grande... here is a book by Dr. Peter Breggin M.D. titled " Psychiatric Drug Withdrawal A Guide for Prescribers, Therapists,Patients and their Families" This book has helped friends of mine get off of Benzos... hope it helps...

[@KB4QAA]

Breggin is a quack. Always has been.

[@bulletsfordinner8307]

Thanks for the reference! ❤️

[@Fcreceptor]

Pelican1984 he’s defiantly a quack. Complete idiot with an agenda. He’s probably a Scientologist.

[@charliecharlton9782]

Yes Breggin is a charlatan I agree.

[@robhappe2705]

I like Todd. He explains topics well and is easy to listen to. He seems to be a genuine person as well.

[@Theohybrid]

What a joy to be alive when actual professionals give their take on medically related current event. Dr. Grande, you're a blessing to the KZbin Community.

[@katiess9708]

I had thought over the last couple of years that he appeared frayed, subdued and sad at times, not all the time. I figured perhaps he was dealing with a chronic health issue or an exacerbation of depression. It makes sense now that he was grieving and looking after an ailing spouse. I have seen folks who withdrew too quickly be affected for a long time. I believe that due to the rebound effect, one should be withdrawn over a period of weeks to months. In the case of a multiple decade, high dose user, one should withdraw them over a couple of years to a very small maintenance dose, perhaps Klonopin due to the long half life. Medications like this buy you time to get your affairs in order, develope coping mechanisms and implement lifestyle choices to manage anxiety. A maintenance dose will keep the high tension at bay, but you won't be comfortable. You have to do the rest yourself.

[@MN_MAGA]

Thank you for this video and touching on that working in healthcare and in the mental health field doesn't render one immune from dependency/ addiction. You've done a great job of being as sensitive and respectful with regards to this subject matter as possible. Love your videos. Very informative and helpful.

[@romcc123]

I wish Dr Peterson the best recovery. I am patiently waiting and hoping for his wonderful mind to make sense of what he just went through, I have faith that he will make sense of the addiction and withdrawal and come up with an amazing treatment regime for other patients. This could be an amazing breakthrough for the mental health profession. Sincerely sorry that he has suffered in the process. Love your channel.

[@frugalfrugal1307]

Again, it's not addiction and withdrawal. It's dependency and waiting for your body's neurotransmitters and receptors to regrow. It cannot be rushed and it takes years to heal. It's a hell unlike any other by far. I hope he makes it out alive. Akathisia kills so, so many who are mismanaged in their taper. :(

[@greenfriends9438]

totally agree Roisin. JP posted this week that he is going to do some work on Proverbs in the Bible etc. Great JP but first things first Brother, You are on the Shamanic cusp having travelled to the furthest reaches of darkness and back, and we hope that you will share what you have learned so that we dont have to go there.

[@TheMattJacks]

I just cold kicked a 10 year suboxone habit. Just got done. Im also on clonazepam and want off. I want to be free. All the way. I dont need the clonazepam anymore. I just get VERY VERY ill if I dont take it for 2 days.

[@deborahfairbanks4012]

These medications are miracles when used properly. And it's important to remember, that you can use them as an assistant through a difficult period in your life. I see depression an anxiety as the worst kind of disability, because the sufferer looks healthy, it is very real, but it is treatable.

[@briank1263]

I used them properly and still suffered. Some people can handle them, some can't.

[@heyjude6335]

Tell that to those of us who have gone through hell trying to get off of them! Quit kidding yourself and others!!! They are a demon drug!

[@jayrodriguez4590]

Correct the title. Otherwise, awesome as usual! Thank you.

[@DrGrande]

fixed - thank you!

[@krisztinakessel6869]

I dont like Peterson particularly, but i feel for him. Thanks for the vid, Dr. Grande

[@yoso585]

krisztina kessel You need help!

[@krisztinakessel6869]

Yoso really, why?:)

[@yvettep1093]

This was a very informative video! Thank you for putting this out because I had my suspicions on drugs such as Clonazapam and Ativan. My mother was given Ativan to induce a coma in the ICU due to respiratory distress from an anaphylactic shock. She was hallucinating, losing memory, etc. after she woke up and was discharged. Nobody told her she had to taper off... She lasted a year repeating the same thing over and over again, and not comprehending that she was hallucinating at the time! Just incredible how powerful these drugs are. My mother was unbearable after she was discharged from the hospital. Violent behavior and very irrational. It’s such a travesty that this is the type of medical care she got.

[@user-sf9pq5ox7w]

very sorry to hear your story- those drugs have to be used very carefully as I am learning.

[@psilocycho2761]

Uh oh, my mums 52 and been on it for 1.5 yrs, i knew it was bad but had no idea it was like this.. i think its going to kill her in the next week if she doesnt get any.. she is deteriorating rapidly :(

[@Jln992]

Very educational. I would love to hear your thoughts on antidepressants and possible whitdrawals that you can get. Ofcourse there are many different forms of AD, but the main goal is to “cure” depression and anxiety. I have suffered from depression and later GAD, which is still part of me today. When i tried to go off 4 years ago, i couldn’t take the amount of panic and anxiety so my doctor said i should go back. 8 years in, I really would like to stop. Scared to do so. But I personally believe there are many useful methods for coping with anxiety without any perscription drug use. The reason I said yes to AD was because of chronic insomnia when I was 18-20 yo. Could not fuction anymore. And yes it was because of turbulent childhood and loss of my mother due to cancer in 2010. Thank you. P.S.: you are my favorite youtuber - we need more Dr Grandes in the world

[@lnc-to4ku]

Wow Dr. Grande, I don't know how I missed this one, but your thoughtful and thorough explanation of those drugs, and the how and why he might have been driven to take that medication, and your compassion for the true hell Jordan Peterson has been through, was so deeply moving!! ♡♡ I know that was long-winded, but I'm so grateful I found you in the midst of so much trash that's on KZbin!!

[@lilafeldman8630]

It's nice to hear someone validate how stressful it is to lose a loved one.

[@paulgay7625]

I have a friend that is on Benzos.He told me the withdrawals are horrendous.

[@maryalexandriamailler2255]

Dr. Grande..could you do a video discussing sort of the lawsuits that are pending against the makers of oxycodone, johnson and Johnson, etc. Are there similar actions w these diazepam drugs?

[@AimeeAimee444]

The Sackler family pushed the oxycodone/Opana through via nepotism. Check out the the class actions and the family name Sackler.

[@JoJoJoker]

One of largest class action lawsuits was in England against Valium. Ironically this led to Valium becoming stigmatized and doctors began prescribing more dangerous short-acting benzos like Ativan, Klonopin, & Xanax.

[@temple7dialectic477]

Wow this video was very informative and well done, and most importantly... Respectfully done. This guy is a professional. As for the Petersons, i really just hope the whole family gets to have a golden period, that they can hug each other a lot. That Jordan and his brilliant wife can just play with being grandparents! Very good video.

[@nicklund5158]

How can a psychologist claim to be unaware of the dangers of benzos when he's visited jails and institutions his whole life where these drugs are prescribed? Thanks Dr. Grande

[@calebfromblood6915]

Because Benzos are addictive... but only to patients who are addicts. They ask you if you’re an addict. Most lie from either shame or not aware, then the doc wrights the script. Tbf, many folks take benzos and are totally fine

[@patricianoel7782]

He’s a psychologist not a psychiatrist.

[@davidseamore2707]

Peterson is such an Awesome dude. I really appreciate his honesty and brutal truth everytime with out fail he will answer as truthfully as he knows. I respect him a ton. And hey what he went through on a personal level just shows he is human I dig that about him to just a great man.