Jordan Peterson Says Fiction is REAL!

[@dylandreisbach1986]

Jordan Peterson was blown away learning about the hero’s journey in high school and ignored everything else the teacher said.

[@_tking]

I was playing Hades while listening to this video and had to pause when Jordan said "and modern people don't understand what the underworld is..."

[@Stray_by_Nite]

Bro got high once and read Joseph Campbell. Then decided to base his whole world view on it. Also, just trying to grift money.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

it's highly uncanny when you're familiar with Campbell, because peterson sounds like an AI blender randomly spitting out phrases designed to sound like him, without actually saying anything meaningful.

[@11kravitzn]

More like he read Miguel Serrano, and thought "let's make esoteric fascism into a metaphysics and pretend it's science. I am a very smart man."

[@nondescriptcat5620]

@@11kravitzn i mean that's kind of already what esoteric fascism was, but yes.

[@11kravitzn]

@@nondescriptcat5620 Fair enough, except he stripped out all the blindingly obvious fascist and Neonazi stuff to fly under the radar and framed it all as merely Jungian. And it worked

[@Shanesawendsley]

Jordan's whole life philosophy could have been saved if someone taught him "red touches black you're ok jack, red touches yellow your a dead fellow"

[@Mylittlestcorner]

Just another example that JP is NOT a healthy or reasonable human. His trauma, bias, and distrust are what guide him and are the only things guiding him. He is cruelty at his core because he refuses to acknowledge such and thusly refuses healing. He refuses to perceive any reality in which he could be wrong. He needs to be kept away from vulnerable people and only allowed to scream his nonsense at the trees (who will ignore him).

[@ziggylegion1604]

no, those poor trees :c

[@Mylittlestcorner]

@ziggylegion1604 nah, the trees love good meme content, so it's okay

[@granudisimo]

I mean, kids these days totally say "up yours Daddy-O" to adults they wanna make fun of, and lobster "brains" (more like a dense nerve node serving as an invertebrate's prototype of a brain) are totally comparable to those of not just vertebrates, but human beings. Trust me bro I'm an unbiased freethinker.

[@hotaru0emi]

This man has been so mentally ill for so long, I cant believe he has so many fanboys. He literally said "people are like lobsters" and did not mean metaphorically and people ate it up. Amazing.

[@damiancampbell7534]

That's because all his fanboys are as broken as people, as he is. Birds of a feather flock together.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

mentally ill people accumulating swarms of fanboys is how most religions start.

[@Kira-zy2ro]

@@damiancampbell7534 this. delusional people will flock to other delusional people who tell them its not them thats crazy but everyone else

[@deenman23]

milions voted for trump

[@aaronharvey5625]

Before I even watch this, so the guy who calls trans people fiction is saying Fiction is real? He's so close to embracing himself and coming out.

[@granudisimo]

Isn't Jordan a gender neutral name already?

[@andrewkoster6506]

"Tony Robbins for paranoid guys" lmao

[@iamtondro3747]

Doctor Peterson, is Yoda in the room right now?

[@ethantaylor9613]

He officially has the power of god *and* anime on his side.

[@socialexperimentable]

And rats. You can't forget he's the rat king.

[@ragingdevi]

​@@socialexperimentable the rat's like this 🐀🐀🐀

[@Montesama314]

"Men, don't hold on to the past. You must look to the future, not desperately cling to your ideals of the perfect woman. When Obito Uchiha lost Rin in the shocking tale of Naruto, Part the Second, Hurricane Chronicle..."

[@WhiteScorpio2]

Basically, "fiction reflects things that we experience in real life". Next lecture on the line: "Water is wet".

[@Elysium_the_Bard]

2:30 It's not "politically incorrect" it's just plain incorrect. A hero isn't a person who "slays the enemy", necessarily, it's a person who the audience should want to see triumph over adversity (not to be confused with an adversary). Whether that adversity involves bringing down a powerful lich, surviving against the weather outside, making sure their grades are good in school, or just opening a jar of pickles, it doesn't matter. I also get the distinct impression that Peterson is conflating "protagonist" with "hero" and "antagonist" with "villain", which might explain a lot about how he sees the world.

[@bunnybreaker]

Jordan Peterson is cooking ...meth

[@raesjunkaccount]

Man keeps talking about order and chaos like he's in a bootleg Shin Megami Tensei game

[@damiancampbell7534]

That's probably the best description of his worldview I have ever read.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

peterson is 10000% the secondary antagonist of a Persona game.

[@Tareltonlives]

He is basically a JRPG villain

[@Nocturnalux]

@@nondescriptcat5620omg…it just hit me…he’a Adachi!

[@jacobjohnston3983]

So what JBP is saying here is basically what people mean when they say “all art is political,” in that the stories people tell reflect the society and beliefs of the people who created it. However, HOLY FUCK, he babbles on and on until the point is completely lost.

[@Montesama314]

That right there is one big reason why I hate Jordan Peterson. Between all the hate and bigotry and corporatism he stands for, he tries to pass himself off as so much more intelligent than others when, if you can parse through all of his bullshit, he is actually saying the most basic shit. It's like watching a first year college student trying to talk about what he learned to impress a girl at a party. To smarter people, his wordslinging comes off as arrogant and trying too hard, but younger and dumber people might fall for it.

[@ronoc9]

If he was just some guy on the street talking like this, you'd cross the road.

[@TheJoeFactor]

'The hero is fights against Chaos and restores order' . . . first IP he mentions, Star Wars. . . you know the one where the ordered Empire is beat by rebels and the fuzzy Viet Cong.

[@Egooist.]

Jordan B. Peterson is talking so much & saying so little. And the little he says is either banal or wrong.

[@Montesama314]

He's got the making of an anime supervillain with these rants of his except they're even more incoherent than those of fictional characters.

[@reinaemiya]

He even has those multi color suits, like he just broke out of a Jojo arc.

[@Montesama314]

@@reinaemiya "Jordan Peterson Wants a Quiet Life"

[@demnwarrior7]

well fictional characters often have coherent people writing their rants.

[@Gamingpandacat]

what apple cider does to a mf is unreal

[@Ivebeenbleak]

There's another famous person who is steadfast in their assertion that fictional creations were real - they go by the name Chris/Christine and they wear a yellow medallion

[@Popirnot]

We await the domentional merge fir it was ordained by Chris-chan the CPU Goddess

[@VenomSnake420]

Most coherent Imperium Commissar speech

[@chefnerd]

I have never for the life of me understood what the heck Peterson is talking about ... like NEVER! All I ever hear is something similar to the teacher's voice from the Peanuts.

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

This sounds a lot like the mindset instilled by American police training. That is no accident.

[@ValleyMansonOfficial]

Jordan Peterson: *Right-wing Fictionkin*

[@Take_Your_Time_]

It really is a condemnation of humanity that anyone ever took him as a serious thought leader.

[@nondescriptcat5620]

while i'm no fan of humanity, i put the blame for peterson squarely on the eternal clown parade of reactionary grifters.

[@rishaa682]

reactionary grifters?

[@andrewkoster6506]

In my mind, the "B" in "Jordan B. Peterson" just stands for "B", like the "J" in "Homer J. Simpson". I refuse to acknowledge any other reality.

[@nehoymenoy3845]

Dante's inferno was a satire. If you read it it's actually mostly talking about all these dudes from Dante's day that he liked or didn't. The levels of hell described their crimes in Inferno, just like in Paradiso the layers of heaven describe the things Dante liked from the people he mentioned. His entire premise is based off a common misconception of what it is, then he pulls shit out of his ass and says it's actually in Inferno knowing anyone listening to him wouldn't know any better.

[@Culturewatcher]

He is a man at war with the concept of abstract thought. He fears time

[@AegixDrakan]

He fears Time, and Time Cannot Be Stopped. :P

[@kain6996]

I haven’t heard JLP speak in so long god he’s so unintentionally funny

[@ziggylegion1604]

holy shit his rambling is so borderline, if not completely, incoherent. i stopped paying attention a good couple times for maybe between 5-10 seconds and, when i started listening in again, what he would be saying sounded totally irrelevant and just completely unrelated, like a whole different topic and subject all around. id literally have to rewind every time to have even a hope of understanding what he was yapping about lmaaooo

[@mrshittles9424]

watch one of his several hour long debates. It's like all the mental gymnastics of Ken Ham, but focused on arriving at as little of a point as possible. I think he plays a game of seeing how many words he can use to say nothing.

[@gerrye114]

JP elsewhere talks about needing a god for morality. During his ebay rant he accidentally creates a moral system in which I give you goods in exchange for money. If we don't screw each other, then we can continue to work together

[@poigntless]

The suit tells me this is early in the descent.

[@davidwinn2575]

Just went to my local bookstore and moved all copies of The Inferno to the psychology section.

[@thefraudulentbrit7516]

So Jordan actually has trouble separating reality from fiction? Might as well change his name to Dougal Macintyre.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

Who would win: a chimpanzee full of snakes, or 50 rats?

[@jamierichardson7683]

Depends on the color of their left sock

[@Spagettigeist]

@@jamierichardson7683 I think you are mistaken dear sir, it's definitelly the color of the right sock!

[@nondescriptcat5620]

sadly, filling a chimpanzee with snakes tends to kill either the chimpanzee or the snakes.

[@vetreas366]

@@nondescriptcat5620 See here is where the issue begins. Of course that if either of them die then they wouldn't be able to participate in the contest. So we already eliminated the theoretical possibilities where that happens and we only discuss the one case in which it doesn't, as assuming an infinity of potential worlds out there, there has to be one where both entities survive. Counting the nakes as an entity for sake of simplicity of course. Let's set their number at 49 to match total number of rats? Doesn't matter, the chimp is probably full of snakes. In that situation, which do you think is more likely to survive? The chimp+snake hybrid that survived impossible odds, or the 50 rats? You gotta give both sides equal odds so we assume that both sides are alive and then take intro consideration the circumstances in which that could've happened. Of course we then have to consider that 50 rats could probably turn into a rat king which would very mush hamper its odds of winning the battle no matter the circumstances so we then assume ideal conditions for both sides. Money's on the snake infested chimp for me!

[@ayajade6683]

Dante's inferno is him being petty about being exiled and going well now you burn in hell in my fiction. It's telling he thinks that's psychology instead of fiction

[@seraphonica]

until you said the movie doesn't play, I was ready to feel called out because of Rocky Horror

[@joearnold6881]

Almost like the guy who dreams about his grandmother’s bush… _and puts it in a book_ shouldn’t be taken seriously.

[@nielsjensen4185]

I know what this is based on, and I know that he's getting it wrong. I've watched less than 5 minutes at this point as I already feel anger. What he thinks he's talking about is called 'psychological phenomenology' and is the scientific theory of how our biases affect the way we interpret what we see and how we experience our subjective reality. This is only about subjective experience, no one can deny objective facts unless they have left reality utterly, for example, how they interpret people by the label they apply to themselves or how they see whatever issues they have. In that sense, our experience of reality is fiction, 15 minutes in and i FUCKING KNEW that was where it was headed. I even typed out my explanation before he even came to the point.

[@teganfreya4645]

Jp always good for a chuckle 😂😂😂. To sum up, in life things happen and somtimes we tell stories.

[@AegixDrakan]

I can't believe there are people who desperately hang on his every word. 0_o Kermit does nothing but weird word salad.

[@TasTheWatcher]

Mr. Peterson was the real 'postmodernist' all along

[@skinkbug]

blood meridian is a coming of age adventure.

[@havanaradio]

Baby brain.

[@NathanaelNewton]

The whole snake detection circuitry hypothesis is a rather interesting one that posits that human binocular high resolution is a byproduct of an evolutionary arms race with snakes where our ancestors were always trying to detect the snake and the snake was always trying to hide

[@goofusmaximus1482]

JP has devolved to a lousy performance artist masquerading as an intellectual.

[@andrewkoster6506]

"Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?" --Jordan J. "Joker" Peterson, probably

[@russellwboss]

Thats so weird you mentioned two books I'm reading right now

[@SpectraSkittle]

30:09 We have to span the hydros with our hydrospanners! It's archetypal!

[@edwinm3316]

Didn't he give away the ghost and just say he has trust issues? Like is that the answer treat the beat dogs and still get to fascism?

[@skeletonqueenie5269]

My special interest is snakes and I’m highly offended he dared to use them in his stupid analogies.

[@gwit4051]

How does he narrow down story plots to just adventure and romance? Like, what does a romance have that adventure does not that makes it the only plot-type worth separating?

[@Kristen70364]

He DOES look like a draugr 😭😭😭

[@Spagettigeist]

I ended up hearing Snapes instead of snakes at one point.. and now I can't stop imagining a chimpanzee full of Snapes XD

[@ilikecookies9796]

So THAT'S what happened to Alan Rickman! 🤯

[@Spagettigeist]

@@ilikecookies9796 lol I'm dying XD Poor Alan Rickman T_T

[@lizaaiden6103]

Normally I can follow the shenanigans that Jake and others like him cover. But this is legit just gibberish to me…I have no idea what is being said 😅

[@burgerpocalypse]

it had to be snakes, why did it have to be snakes?

[@UnknownFlyingPancake]

"Sometimes the things that you imagine in your imagination are more real than the things that you see." Well Jordan, in *psychology*, we call those "delusions".

[@morgan_drui]

Barney is real!

[@PossumMedic]

🐸

[@ConsciousRobot]

He is the yappiest of all yappers

[@daraghokane4236]

The hero will kills or stops the bad guy is a political correct message. My little pony movie had that a bad guy that tried to hurt people he died, Most marvel movies have that. Some movies have the bad guy go to jail or be beat without killing but kill bad guys isn't a radical unpopular message

[@ann3923]

Doug Walker of academia.

[@steel5897]

So bane - and that’s the bloody thing about bane - he represents chaos, in fact, he’s an agent of chaos, and in contrast, we have cia, who represents order, roughly speaking. But cia, in his bitter resentment, in his-his postmodern cultural marxist ideology, he tries to tame the chaos - and that’s a bad idea man, it’s like-it’s like if you tried taming fire, it’s just going to leave you burnt. But cia, he tries anyway, motivated by a lust for power - and it’s like - god its so sad - its like you’re not a big guy! You’re not a big guy, and no postmodern rationalization will change that. The evidence is clear. The scientific literature is explicit on this matter. And speaking of taming fire - what happens by the end of cia’s ‘experiment’? The fire is not tamed, quite the opposite, it’s actually rising. And this demonstrates exactly what happened in the 20th century. And it’s like solzhenitsyn writes in the gulag archipelago - the bloody marxists attempted to quell fire, but in doing so they merely fueled it. And well actually, they did quite a bit more. You can’t pretend to be a big guy if you’re not. We tried that experiment in the 20th century, and it was a bad idea man! And it. Is. Not. A. Route. You. Want. To. Go. Down

[@emic621]

He’s not teaching anymore right? Where does he give these talks lol

[@anothercub6958]

Ah, JP's classic "Everything is either order or disorder" BS

[@Nocturnalux]

5:38 My religion is Tieria Erde. Would blow Jordie’s mind.

[@jaymenjanssens720]

Hey the actual Jake, In Praise of Shadows targeted conservatism in horror and seems to have become a target. Maybe there's some content in there for ya

[@justsignmeup911]

Is JDP bipolar? Continually making connections, never reaching a point.

[@damiancampbell7534]

Apparently, while he was recovering from benzo withdrawals in Russia a few years back. The doctors treating him diagnosed him with schizophrenia. Of course, he didn't accept the diagnosis.

[@LivePerformances-Sketches]

Every Jordi monologue needs to be accompanied by an experimental jazz trio 🎉

[@OceanusHelios]

9:20 NO. Dante was not trying to get to the essence of what was evil. Dante had enemies he and he placed them in a tier list and that was the entirety of his work. Dante was trolling people he felt had wronged him. The ones he felt were the lowest and gave him the most butthurt he put at the lowest levels of hell and imagined how he would like them to suffer. Dante wasn't ascribing anything to the nature or philophically addressing "what is evil" and how it should be defined. Nope. Dante just had a bad case of the butthurt. And that is the academic and critical review of his work. It's mealy-mouthed theists who have tried to paint it as something more, you know, fans.

[@JCstock]

Did he address fiction being real at all?

[@Aadrian7]

So where would something like the anime/manga Monster fall into? It's not a romance, obviously. Is it an adventure? Well no, because there's no actual enemy. Are there bad people? Sure, but there's no real "villain". Is Johan truly bad? Well, no because of..a bunch of spoilers I won't get into. Is Tenma responsible for everything Johan does to people? Well, yes and no. Is Lunge bad for chasing the thrill of justice rather than pursuing justice itself? Not necessarily, no. The whole premise of the show is precisely the fact that there's no clear "good" and "evil" as well as questioning the blank slate theory. I could go on about many other films, series, books, etc. but if you have at least 2 brain cells, you get the idea. It seems very reductive from a guy who asks a billion questions per minute when interviewed on religion, cancel culture, etc.

[@n0etic_f0x]

Slaanesh > then Thor > Jesus

[@greenamber9827]

Peterson talks like he's being paid by the word.

[@joshuapayne3937]

My prediction: Fiction is real because fictional analogies and metaphors can paint real pictures about real situations in life... Something something something... and if fiction is real, then the Bible has a chance

[@sierratill5429]

His point is that teality affects art and vice versa. Using his dantes inferno, it was Dante making a list of "sins" and appointing people he knew in real life there based on how bad said sins were. He then created the idea of purgatory having levels and levels in heaven, just to justify moving on from his dead wife/girlfriend and fall for a new woman. Reality and culture heavily affected his writing, even though he completely made up how hell and such look. Now in modern day people constantly use Dantes Inferno to jusify religious beleifs of what hell and such look like and moralities judged which bleed into cultural ideas of morality both in catholisism and out. He rambles and keeps stopping and going on tangents so his point is lost. Its a fact of media literacy, not a philosophy he made up. He's failing to articulate it and is using trauma to justify it when thats not needed at all and distracts from the main point. Its not that fiction is real per se, its that reality affects fantasy and fantasy can in turn affect reality via ideas, morality, and what is considered acceptable within the realm of reality. Subconsciously but its there, which is why it affects ppl emotionally and is considered art.

[@justsignmeup911]

The video is from 7 years ago.

[@zenbear9952]

Yeah just imagine this was BEFORE the coma. Jordan is even worse now

[@faithbad666]

He's Worse Now Do something interesting and I'll cover it.

[@Tareltonlives]

I've known stoned and mentally ill people more coherent than Jordan

[@skyeplus]

Stop saying Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't real.

[@thiccpiccle7384]

FIRST

[@Fresh_yams]

jp really about to grab the mic like "Qiilaan us dilon!"