Jordan Peterson - Your Identity Isn't Subjectively Defined

Jordan Peterson explains why your identity isn't subjectively defined.
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[@Liberty-Vault]

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[@AlexReynard]

'Then you're a transphobe."' 'Yes. I guess I have to be, under the terms you force on me. If disagreeing with you, on any point, is the definition of transphobia, then I cannot help but be one. because I care more about the objective truth which we all have to share, than I do about you as one selfish individual. Throw your tantrums. Guilt will not work on me anymore.'

[@Soupie62]

Never mind what is a woman - what is a transphobe? It SOUNDS like you think it's anyone, who doesn't agree with you.

[@gossipmongersaunt774]

and in the same breath, you assume anyone with concerns with open borders is a fascist and right wing...

[@ImYourOverlord]

She didn't owe anyone an apology. What she said is fact. We are responsible for no one's feelings but our own.

[@yoe91]

that part about the 2 year old being a subjectively defined entity is pretty fascinating.

[@theodorearaujo971]

All ideologies are false, regardless of how they make us feel.

[@AlexReynard]

An ideology is just an idea taken to the point of, 'This is always true without exception, which is very convenient for me because now I don't have to think anymore.'

[@darylfoster7944]

False in what sense?

[@Solutionsarejustcompromises]

​@@darylfoster7944false as in; not always 100 % true and aplicable

[@CodeBleu724]

@@darylfoster7944 False in the way that somebody told them how to "feel" about a certain thing...and they bought it...without taking the time to discern that person or people have an agenda to make them accept their view with no questions asked.

[@maryjoseph81481]

I have toxic feminity… a natural born woman.

[@wayneurquhart7192]

I heard that there's a medical procedure that can fix that.

[@maryjoseph81481]

@@wayneurquhart7192 Don’t want it fixed. I enjoy my toxic femininity!

[@Solutionsarejustcompromises]

Its not natural lol, its brainwashing 😂

[@johndo2627]

You are objectively defined as you would be on a license or other government-issued ID or passport, your race, your familial relationships, and then by what you do.

[@Steve-cd9ul]

You can tell someone doesn't understand how the Supreme Court makes decisions when they say "why not just get the best person for the job". The whole point is that each individual justice enters with personal beliefs and cultural inclinations that have more impact on their decisions than their ability to follow and mold stare decisis, relative to other candidates' abilities. It's a battle for representation of Americans as much as the much simpler issue of whether or not the justice is fully competent to understand the technical part of making rulings.

[@Bergerac82]

But that’s a problematic way of loading the court, and the court is being problematically politicized. They aren’t there to be representatives of Americans. They are there to be defenders of the Constitution. Their ability to defend the Constitution with integrity and fidelity is the only important quality they need. If they were ALL African American women, that would be just fine, so long as they did the job.

[@Steve-cd9ul]

@@Bergerac82 I think you see it like Peterson does, which won't allow you to make accurate projections. If you see the Constitution has having some obvious bits that everyone will agree with, and then grey areas, where politicians intentionally choose justices that will interpret the grey areas in a way favorable to the inclinations of their electorate, it all makes sense and you can reliably predict what will happen (see Roe V Wade).

[@Bergerac82]

@@Steve-cd9ul there’s nothing remotely grey about the Constitution, and it doesn’t matter who agrees with it. It’s the foundational document of the Republic. It needs no interpretation, it simply needs protection. Roe v Wade was OBVIOUSLY unconstitutional, regardless of your opinions on abortion.

[@Bergerac82]

@@Steve-cd9ul it doesn’t matter if people “agree” with the Constitution. It’s the foundational document of the Republic. Don’t like the Constitution? Don’t live in America.

[@Steve-cd9ul]

@@Bergerac82 Again, a naive view of the constitution and the role of the Supreme Court. It's a document subject to political interpretation. Surely you have seen that in full view.

[@KrinkleBear]

Sloped roofs matter!

[@frankhoffman3566]

I try to find analogues to these issues. So when someone declares gender a subjective construct I ask where in the animal kingdom have I seen this? While it's true that fungi have many genders, animals don't. No creature other than human voluntarily amputates its genitals and declares himself a new gender.. That alone raises issues about the whole thing. That alone creates a necessity to discuss the issue IN DEPTH. We must not let conversations be shut down.

[@makokx7063]

Animals are not a good standard to measure humans by. Do they have buildings? Vehicles? Medicine? Electricity? 99% of human's existence is synthetic so saying we don't see it in nature doesn't necessarily mean we should or should not behave in a certain way. If we all acted the way chimps do civilization would be over in a day. Not trying to make an argument for transgenderism though.

[@SlimThrull]

No creature other than humans wears clothing and calls themselves civilized for doing so. Obviously that's equally as wrong, right?

[@christiansmith-of7dt]

I wonder what they are going to have me do , i feel like im being under used

[@gropatapouf5998]

100% agree with all of this Edit: by the way, I'm a giraffe

[@nathanielwestermann]

There are racial limits, Jordan.

[@MrAkifusion]

EXCELLENT !!! ❤

[@kencrosson3137]

"Preposterous hypothesis"? Is Jordan a fan of Flight of the Conchords? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYDKdGunpcR8aLs

[@ellisgribble5729]

He was so much better when he was addicted to benzo’s. At least then he wasn’t making videos!

[@Bergerac82]

Do you have an actual criticism of the content of his speech here? Or just infantile 💩 slinging?

[@carlosl8832]

👍

[@frankstallone3864]

Identity literally is subjective, it changes with how you carry yourself through life. Your style, your views, your job, political views.

[@ricardosantos6721]

you are supposed to see yourself with other's eyes too otherwise you are sociopath

[@user-cl5ub3oc6w]

What's with all the 🍎 in everyone's Twitter x profiles?

[@ricardosantos6721]

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[@jimmunro2136]

You have the effing hide to criticise Ketanji Jackson when the corruption of Thomas and Alito is palpable.

[@jessewallace12able]

Peterson should stop talking for a year.

[@pogolas]

One year ago. Lame.

[@junevandermark952]

Thanks for honoring my freedom of speech. If you think your identity depends on Jesus ... it would be best to keep in mind that Jesus would have stayed faithful to Judaism ... which was said to be the religion of his birth ... where he was said to be born PERFECT in mind and in soul. After being under the "spell" religion for 70 years of my life ... I suggest it is best to conclude that all religion is the stuff of old-age philosophy, cult, legend, fairy tale, flamboyant story-telling mythology.

[@AlexReynard]

Are there any values to be found in fairy tales, mythology, or story-telling? Or is all fiction just not literally true, so it's worthless?

[@junevandermark952]

@@AlexReynard I can't speak for others, but I believe that fairy tales have their place in all societies ... but they should be acknowledged as "being" fairy tales. Those in religion take their own religious stories as literal truth ... and each other's religious stories as being fairy tales ... or worse ... blasphemy against a real god. Thankfully non-human animals are grounded ... and stick only to nature.

[@dugonman8360]

You were under the spell of religion for 70 years yet didn't learn anything about said religion? It's easy and simple to dismiss this as fairy tales and hopeful fancies, I've heard those degrading statements before, but I honestly doubt this 2000 year old institution that has gone under the highest scrutiny is as flimsy as that. Did you ever look at the inevitable conclusion of materialism? This atheist philosophy? Have you genuinely looked into the abyss? The answer is worse than you think because Nihilism is a cope.

[@junevandermark952]

@@dugonman8360 What is it that you believe about religion that is so important to you? Is it that you believe you will be safe in a hereafter ... while you believe that others deserve to suffer for eternity? Is that what makes you feel GOOD about religion?

[@dugonman8360]

@@junevandermark952 typical question. Almost yawn-inducing. I came to my conclusion by simply reading up on both sides of the argument. I realized that Christianity was far far more consistent with it's worldview and ideals than atheism while atheism tended to shift the goal post, use mental gymnastics, contradict themselves while making completely opposing opinions when needed or use debate tactics in simple conversation. Essentially, atheism is filled with bad faith actors while Christianity had far less. Honestly, if I died tomorrow it wouldn't matter if there was an afterlife or not because I would be dead and not even realize it. Also I personally believe the vast majority of humanity is inherently evil. Not sauron evil, some tyrant wringing his hands to take over Narnia, but that more mundane kind of evil. A selfish kind of evil. The difference between you and me is that without God, mankind is still evil. Without God, there is no way to change these hairless chimpanzees from being hairless chimpanzees. I was honest with you, I'm expecting you to not be honest with me back however. Why did you turn away from religion? If you answer with some high minded altruistic prattle I'll tell you why you did.

[@user-ll8mt4so4l]

2 men talking about women

[@paulklee5790]

You think?

[@Solutionsarejustcompromises]

Well women dont, so guess men have to show the way

[@Bergerac82]

Come on now everyone. Didn’t you get the latest woke idiocy memo? Only women can talk about women.

[@EricSmith9000]

Yes it is. It is your identity and you are not purely objective.

[@darylfoster7944]

Biology is objective. Choosing to ignore biology is a different matter.

[@EricSmith9000]

@@darylfoster7944 As a human pursuit, it is necessarily subjective, though the underlying reality is objective (probably). But, is biology the only input into identity?

[@darylfoster7944]

@@EricSmith9000 it's the only objective reality. The rest is up to you. If you choose to put on a dress and call yourself a woman, it doesn't make you a woman except in your own mind.

[@EricSmith9000]

@@darylfoster7944 There is a strong societal component of what constitutes a woman and a man. That is subjective, and an individual can deviate from these concepts according to their own subjectivity. They can't do anything about their sex, but they certainly can identify (or not) with genders.

[@darylfoster7944]

@@EricSmith9000 ok, believe what you want. Biology is an absolute.

[@SlimThrull]

Of course your identity is subjectively defined. Look, imagine is people could not see. Literally everyone was blind. No one would be black or white. But because we can see we can subjectively say one person is this and one person is that.

[@darylfoster7944]

So people having varying skin colors is subjective? Is the sky green?

[@SlimThrull]

@@darylfoster7944 yes. What we call over thing is called different things by others. And, yes, the sky can be green at times.

[@darylfoster7944]

@@SlimThrull you're talking nonsense, just to be argumentative. Either that, or you don't know the meaning of the word "subjective".

[@SlimThrull]

@@darylfoster7944 look up during a tornado. The sky can be green. Just because you're ignorant of how the world works doesn't mean everyone is.

[@darylfoster7944]

@@SlimThrull as I said, you're just being argumentative. When the sun is out and there are no clouds, the sky is objectively blue. Nothing subjective about it. A white person's skin is objectively white. Again, nothing subjective about it. Go argue with yourself.