Listen and Weep | Eric Metaxas | EP 371

Ep. 371
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Eric Metaxas discuss his most recent book, “A Letter to the American Church,” which argues a betrayal of faith by those who stay silent in the face of tyranny. They parallel the arbiters of speech across history against those populating today, and detail the responsibility to act against falsehood that is intrinsically present in the Abrahamic tradition, yet increasingly absent in the American church today.
Eric Metaxas is an American author, speaker, and radio host. He has written award winning biographies, such as “Bonhoeffer,” as well as children's books like “Squanto and the Miracle of Thanksgiving,” Metaxas hosts Socrates in the City, a recurring popular event where he interviews writers and thinkers on theology, moralism, and philosophy. He also hosts the nationally syndicated Eric Metaxas Show, more broadly referred to as “The Show About Everything.”
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:20) Intro
(1:17) Writing to Christians
(7:53) Inspired versus instrumented
(11:56) The higher path is present, if not visible
(15:43) Those who arbitrate our speech and thought
(21:08) Takedowns on KZbin, RFK Jr.
(23:13) What’s more despicable than the love of money?
(26:54) When you should stake your claim
(34:22) Martin Luther, speak what you believe to be true
(38:57) How do you trust your own judgment in biblical matters?
(39:57) The meaning behind “don’t use the lord's name in vain”
(45:43) Cain and Abel, attempting to fool God
(48:50) An insufficient sacrifice
(51:10) New religion, same devil
(55:14) Holding your tongue when you have something to say
(57:58) The fathomless truth found in scripture
(58:49) You are on the hook for your faith
(1:01:06) When you know the truth and lie
(1:02:24) Why Metaxas became a Christian
(1:04:49) Symbolism in faith, dreams, and visions
(1:13:44) How the acceptance of Christ changes you
(1:17:18) The ultimate loser reigns in Hell
(1:21:59) A positive response from the church
(1:25:06) We are in a battle between good and evil
(1:26:16) What victory will look like
(1:28:37) You cannot remain silent and pretend you are faithful
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[@michelledonders3792]

I finished reading Letter to the American Church last night as I went to sleep. During the night I dreamed about 2 Samuel 20 so I looked it up when I awoke. It is the story of a wise woman who took a stand to save her city from destruction. I will not remain silent. Thank you for awakening my consciousness to the fact that I CAN make a difference, even though I’m in my 60s.

[@sidneezingara1976]

Michelledonders, I feel the same way. I no longer want to be silent. I pray for the courage to stand and speak up against the burgeoning evil all around us! 🙏🏼

[@osupride97]

I just read 2 Samuel 20 today. She also threw the head of Sheba over the wall! There is currently a certain leader who needs to be removed. (I am not saying do the same)!! He is destroying this country.

[@daphnekontanis6649]

I find myself having to speak the Truth, about "politically correct" mind bending, (example: saying "them" when speaking about one person, in order not to use the male "him" as has been done in the English language. WE ARE DESTROYING THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE WITH SUCH RIDICULOUS PHRASES!!! Other languages have the Neutral part of speech, "IT" when speaking about a child, for instance. No need to identify gender, just a child, where IT is a general way to express the point). I have written about the self sacrifice required, in order for all of us to "do our little part" towards cleaner air, by NOT, using a drive-by window at a business, which often becomes a long line of cars around the building, all expelling gas exhaust, when it would be better to "PARK & WALK". I have been insulted for speaking up, but I know I need to try to get others to see the reasoning behind what I say or write.

[@RealDealContent-th3do]

Well done Michelle..... YET ..... Until you find a MAN OF GOD or unless YOUR FATHER WAS A MAN OF GOD and passed down the spirit to you, unless one of the above examples is TRUTH Then, 👿 SATAN WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR DADDY 😈 As Satan works through the woman ~ through the Feminine! I wish you all the best, I wish you 🍃🙏 GOD 🙏🍃 Good bye Michelle!

[@amylynnhunt55]

I bought it & have not read it yet - I fall asleep with books too:) and have a feeling I will need to take notes. I'll start today, thank you!

[@svpr95510]

I, a non-Christian from Bangalore, India, spent one hour and 33 minutes of my life watching and trying to absorb the serious stuff of conversation between these two enlightened minds. Outcome: Once is not enough. I will watch this video again, God willing.

[@dianedahlhleimer4414]

As a Christian, this is one of the most powerful testimonies I’ve heard and the biblical analysis is outstanding! Definitely worth another listen!💗

[@victor_zsasz]

both are intellectuall but stupid. well read, articluate, but living in perceptions and therefore deception. Some men desire women, some desire money, others desire god. They are all moving in the same phenomena of desire nonetheless.

[@deborahjoy5727]

I listened 2x’s myself, the 2nd time I gained even more insight. I’ve never heard truth presented in such a positive and powerful way! The genius of these 2 minds, now we know and once we know, we are held responsible.

[@robertbackmann4116]

I'm with you brother

[@tabithamishra]

Hey good to hear you listened.. I hope you see the light of the gospel of Jesus Christ that eric is talking about, the light that my dad saw some 50 years ago..

[@nirak6122]

I read Bonhoeffer over ten years ago, as a German national it left an indelible impression on me. Now, as a follower of Christ in this age it is even more poignant. Thank you both of you for speaking the truth as I see it, the church of America and of Europe (I live in the UK) needs to hear this!

[@betheva5917]

His biography makes you realize that when evil arises a Christian has to decide who he really is and then decide what actions are the right ones according to God. Bonhoeffer’s dedication combined with those internal struggles challenged me. Would I have that kind of resolve? Only with Gods help.

[@jenafa53]

The Church in Australia needs to hear this truth and reignite its faith and purpose in Almighty God

[@riehlrenegade]

I love how many times they tell each other, "I never thought about it like that before." Goes to show how much we can learn from each other, into infinity!

[@theresefournier3269]

YAHsome in-DEED❤ beauti-FULL❤ brilliant conversationalists and most wonder-FULL🌹speakers. Veritable music to the ears, mind, heart and soul🎶🔥🎶🪽🎶💙⭐🎶🪽

[@nancyrolfe3033]

Thank you both! I stood alone in my school speaking and DOING what was true and good for the children against such oppression. The slander and bullying by the administration was beyond anything i could have imagined. These men are correct. I didn’t compromise and paid a price as some will always believe the slanderous statements. But I can promise that I have peace when I lay my head down on my pillow and I KNOW my God is forever with me and directing my path. This isn’t my “real” home and we aren’t promised an easy life when following Christ but the inner joy and peace He gives will sustain until I am home with Him!!

[@joshuaneil8462]

I pray God gives us the courage to praise Him in this fallen world! God bless you

[@1v1mebro_101]

I love this comment. Very well said!

[@LaymanScribe]

Man that's the real deal there! This stuff is starting to remind me of Foxes book of the martyrs in some way.

[@freedomforcaster1783]

Yes yes yes! Stand strong and proud even in the strongest of storms. We are not of this world but if we don’t each and everyone of us stand up for the future generations we are really shameful. We MUST push back right now or these minority ideologies will be like a fish swallowing a whale. And the whale letting it happen without fight back against such an absurdity.

[@margaretsmith7712]

Bravo....Amen

[@chuglyc]

One of the most important interviews of this decade. I hope people are beginning to understand how important it is that we all start speaking up to defend truth.

[@justanobody0]

to quote Pontius Pilate: "what is truth"

[@jackiepowell7513]

We re in war a hot one...can lose our freedom.

[@kathypileggi7650]

@@justanobody0yeah…and the TRUTH was standing right in front of him ….TRUTH IS A PERSON ….JESUS CHRIST THE LORD

[@theresasmee456]

I’m reading Eric’s book “Letter to the American Church”. He puts our problem to words. The Church has gotten it wrong thinking all we need to do is preach the gospel and by all means never talk about political issues.

[@Serraainc]

I’m a 26 years old Iraqi clinical pharmacist. My name is Serraa Khaphají. And this is a message to Dr. Peterson. I’ve been a student of your teachings since 2017, and I cannot help but agree with the majority of what you teach, share, voice, and believe. The reason that got me to comment today is this: I’ve overheard my parents watching an Iraqi interview between a tv show host and an activist, discussing the concept of the ‘social gender’, and the conspicuous opinion -now- that gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of both biological genders and ‘supposedly’ other gender-identity. This ideology is being openly discussed here in Iraq, on the political front, but not yet socially. We Iraqis have the not-so-intellectual attitude to care about ‘trend’ a little bit more than necessary, and to be entirely honest, I am terrified. Iraq has been the closest thing to the host of multi-angled totalitarian despotism ever since 1978, or maybe before that. Politically, religiously, and socially, Iraq has been abused far more than what’s imaginable, and it is not getting any better, not with this. Why? Is the Left absolutely scared of their ‘theory’ falling out of proportion to the point they have to push it to another country to support it? Why this? People here have been confused as it is about raising their children since the 80s, and I know it never looked like it was getting any better (at least across my personal lifespan), but this? This where our politics still doesn’t accept homosexuality? I always agree with your notion about specifying a place to stay the hell away from, I never thought though, that this place would be my country, not to this extent. I hope this gets discussed by intellects like you, who search and seek the truth, and I hope you see this, because truly, never have I felt before to this degree, that things are spilling uncontrollably out of hands. Thank you…

[@trishaholmeide2192]

We, patriotic, Christian Americans understand your concerns. Hopefully, professir Peterson will read your post and reply to you. But, even if he doesn't we know how seditious evil is and how it comes into every nation and every people everywhere in tiny doses until it completely takes over so it is incumbent on all of us to recognize it, be intolerant of it and abolish it as much as we can. Here in the US we allow sin as a person's personal choice. Where we have failed is preventing it from infecting others in our schools, churches and business community. Now we're in deep, deep trouble about to lose everything our ancestors fought and died to save for us.

[@anopinion9830]

I urge you to repost this comment on your own thread, it’s hidden within the comment of another comment. God Bless you, I pray for the liberation of your country and all countries worldwide, all people. In Jesus Name

[@heavencanwait421]

This is just so brilliant! Thank you SO much Jordan for having Eric on your show. You are circling the wagons Jordan. You are so close to coming to the Truth. Your present problems with the College of Psychologists of Ontario is no accident. God is calling you. I just wish that I was half as smart as these two. God bless you both.

[@benedictandrew442]

Well said.

[@steveeaton2967]

The faith-works controversy is so blasted unnecessary. Why have things been agonized over for so long? Obviously, God measures our inner intentions primarily.

[@victoriagrahm3915]

Lolol. Me too

[@NickNicometi]

You're art enough, and more so than you think.

[@mariavega7789]

Just found Dr Peterson on youtube, and I can't stop watching his videos. Dr Peterson, Thanks for standing up for the truth, in this difficult days.

[@DaemonLlama]

Also top notch is James Lindsay's, New Discourses podcast, on here also.

[@tysonsgibson95]

Check out his psychological interpretations of the biblical series. Its mind blowing. The 12 rules for life was the first book I have ever read front to back as an adult. I'm half way through with 12 more rules. He's a very good teacher and im thankful to have been blessed by his wisdom.

[@richierich440007]

You have a lot of catching up to do Maria 😅 What a remarkable man and hope you got a chance to see his daughter + her spectacular story 🫶 Watch her at Oxford’s debate 🔥🔥🔥 Be very well 🥳

[@Lo_Mega]

I second the biblical series suggestion, it blew my hair back as well 🤯

[@JohnSmith-zs1bf]

The real peterson revolution lies in the playlists on his channel... maps of meaning, personality, and the psychological significance of the biblical stories

[@mondopinion3777]

Jordan and Eric together are DYNAMITE ! They bring out the best in each other and magnify each other. Please do this often !

[@ajdarc880]

Two of my favourites

[@tesladrivingacademypetrovi9325]

Jordan and Robert Kennedy together were DYNAMITE . people like Sergey Brin and Mark Zukerberg= they censor only our connections. congregation is important for them.they loose control in a case like that.

[@fahimp3]

It was disappointing to see JBP not push back at all when it was clear he had disagreements with this guy... 🙄 I guess the power of audience capture is stronger than "telling the truth"... 😅

[@ajdarc880]

@@fahimp3 like where, just curious cause i watched it all..

[@leahbrening1101]

@@fahimp3 oh I thought he obviously pushed back! :) He questioned things often enough and gave his perspective. Eric just has a confident personality and is extremely smart. I think we aren't used to seeing many on the same intellectual level as Jordan. It evens the playing field a little more. It actually made it seem like an actual conversation vs lecture.

[@stephaniebeaulieu6382]

Privileged to live on the planet with these two brave men who speak truth. My favorite podcast ever.

[@janetclark5668]

Mine too.

[@juliobow3232]

Excellent conversation. Shame on KZbin taking these type of videos down!

[@ragingsilence7]

I didn't want this to end. These men have inspired me to be more courageous in speaking up.

[@donhardman6919]

My wife and I absolutely agree with your comment. They are gift from God, part of His divine grace. God bless them and you and us too.

[@alda2086]

Yes this interview seemed to end too soon.

[@saimbhat6243]

One and half over podcasts change your worldview and personality. What does it say about you?

[@ragingsilence7]

@@saimbhat6243 I've been a Christian for many years and Jesus set me free from an alcohol addiction almost nine and a half years ago. What this podcast did for me was to encourage me to be braver in the face of secular/ woke indoctrination in the workplace and life in general. I've shared the worldview Jordan and Eric subscribe to long before I was aware of their existence.

[@ragingsilence7]

@@donhardman6919 Thank you. God Bless you.

[@janespring2277]

“It has only taken me 40 years figure that out.” All of us must be in that mode, pursuing truth our entire life. Thank you to both of these great brave men who encourage us!

[@victor_zsasz]

both are intellectuall, but stupid. well read, articluate, but living in perceptions and therefore deception. Some men desire women, some desire money, others desire god. They are all moving in the same phenomena of desire nonetheless.

[@melissatolbird4512]

me? 60 years! 😭 how much time I wasted thinking I knew what I thought was right because of what I was taught and find out it was wrong!

[@queensisterserenaloveday7118]

@@melissatolbird4512 Better late than never!😊

[@martijnvandevoort9730]

Just wait till you find out earth is Flat... Water doesnt lie, people do..

[@melissatolbird4512]

@@martijnvandevoort9730 I believe it is flat! they lie, lie, & lie some more.

[@timothy6828]

Wow, I have read his Bonhoeffer biography, but I never knew what an intelligent, humorous man of faith Eric Metaxas was! A vitally important message he has as well! Thank you both for you this conversation!

[@imogenrex6286]

Yes, this shows M in a much more favourable light - I've never warmed to him ɓefore - thank you!

[@yellowlt6]

LMAO

[@tooakathleenphillips-papal2113]

Love love love listening to mature Christians debate.....if you are not yet a confessed Christian Mr Petersen, take the step. Bowing your knee to serve Jesus Christ is the best Brisbane Australia

[@Read2Friends]

Thankful to Eric for preaching the gospel with clarity and to Jordan for letting him do it.

[@INQUESTFORTRUTH]

I'm not American, I'm not even Christian, and as a fellow human; this was an eye opener. WOW. Thanks, Jordan. Thanks, Eric.

[@luap4981]

The first step is to have your eyes open. The second step is to have the scales fall off them.

[@KoLecnac]

I and I bet many others are praying for you. Keep seeking!

[@Love.Yah.]

It is a spiritual law If any one seeks Truth honestly from the heart Truth has to appear / be known … So Keep seeking and Truth will be found … The Holy Spirit will lead you to The Truth 🙏

[@cat-bg3rv]

The Holy Spirit convicts hearts. Jesus ❤ you!

[@ajdarc880]

@INQUESTFORTRUTH…Bless you in your quest🙏🏽

[@valorabock6325]

This conversation and it's intent was greatly enhanced by a sharp turn into the sacred.... please do more interviews together.

[@christywhitley6053]

I believe every church needs a copy of this book and every church leader needs to read, share and discuss this with believers everywhere. As for me, I’ll share a link to this podcast interview and pray it stays available on KZbin. Thank you gentlemen!

[@MultipleGrievance]

You're not wrong. They do need to read it but they won't change. I'm certain of that. Cheap grace rules the majority of christian churches in the west.

[@houseofbreadsoul4796]

This may be my favorite conversation ever: God, liberty, truth, courage, & humor.

[@GlendaPerry-me4ze]

The first time you were able and you had to do something about the situation you had with your mom was to tell me to come home because you didn’t have to go back home because I didn’t have to do that to her because I was not able and you were going home because I had a bad day so

[@GlendaPerry-me4ze]

The first time

[@GlendaPerry-me4ze]

Yuuuu

[@theresefournier3269]

YAHsome conversation in-DEED ❤

[@sethwitte4128]

I had the privilege of having Eric come to my church and speak on a Sunday morning. What he is saying is true, our church stayed open and we doubled attendance during covid. Eric message is indispensable for the church and America right now.

[@ajdarc880]

You were blessed @sethwitte4128 to have a church open. Ours went gangho counting masking registering and i stayed home started a ladies prayer group and watched Jack Hibbs and MacArthur and Murillo all the way here in Europe.. thank God for internet

[@merrisahunting51]

Is your church in CA or VA

[@sethwitte4128]

@@merrisahunting51 PA

[@paulpazsak3665]

Which Church? I went to see him speak at a church in Connecticut. They did the samething i think it was Bethel. Im from Connecticut

[@eurekahope5310]

Our old church decided to "love their neighbor" by closing, then counting, distancing, required masking, and even photographing people so they could give the county a list in case someone got covid. We left, as did a huge number of members. We joined a church that probably doubled since covid. Our new church did close briefly but opened in the early summer and were back to normal without any requirements within 4 months. It wasn't covid that caused our family to leave after nearly two decades, but the theology behind the decisions made. The first church appeared to fear the world's opinion and sought to submit church worship to the government. The second believed God is sovereign and we obey Him, regardless of man's opinion.

[@spiderrico7709]

Great interview. Eric’s dream , described as a Grace from God was refreshing to hear. So glad he shared his dream.

[@corinneblackburn4043]

My eyes are watering! Loved this! God is with these men.❤

[@nancyhopper1522]

We must not allow Eric to be a lone voice with this message. My gratitude to Jordan, Eric, and all of those that have ears to hear and Faith to act.

[@l.glucid9077]

You know that a podcast is GARBAGE, when the parties involved discussing religion, do not quote Bible at every statement uttered. -- People who are serious about TRUTH, should demand a "thus saith the Lord".

[@marilynbower1352]

​@@paulnobody2826Perhaps you might want to revisit the section starting at minute 50 - the foreshadowing of sacrifice for salvation through Yeshua

[@marilynbower1352]

@@l.glucid9077 if people were interested in truth, they wouldn't quote KJV English, but rather the original Hebrew. Shalom 🙏 In the name of Yeshua Hamashiach

[@l.glucid9077]

@@marilynbower1352 => can you read ancient Hebrew? Are you a Scholar working on your ThD/PhD? 🤔 (You make zero sense)

[@marilynbower1352]

@@l.glucid9077 Yes, I only make sense to the literate. If you want to be involved in the translation of over 80 Hebrew texts, you can be taught the Hebrew and be part of this initiative.

[@LadyLiberty207]

I read Eric Metaxas' book. It is a must read. He fires the warning shots to Americans who stay silent or hide instead of taking a stand to save our country and our faith.

[@MsElke11]

I have to agree with him about the ATHEIST MARXISTS wanting POWER and we are in the PRE-HITLERIAN period now. Let's all wake up to those fascists (FJB, TURDEAU, MACRON etc) around us!!

[@bobhope5114]

Who's listening?

[@worldsdumbesttrumpturd....3143]

All religions are false

[@elisavetlyra3791]

YES! Faith in TRUTH! And like they said (~38') - How do you trust yourself? - YOU HAVE TO CARE...

[@barbspencer64]

I got the book for my husband who was a pastor, but now does pro-life speaking full time. He loved it so much he bought it for both of our pastors. A must read!!!

[@tonyacrittenden4879]

Eric Metaxes at his finest. Thank you J Peterson for giving him the platform. Your interviewing skill is topknotch resulting in consistently interesting and informative discussions. Always a joy to listen and learn

[@timothyharris4246]

Eric needs to be brought onto the Daily Wire team! His content is right in step with their message.

[@amylynnhunt55]

He's got a radio show and a TV show. He does the Socrates In the City talks, all in New York.

[@dougwalker3333]

No

[@TheBuzz222]

I was posted to Soest West Germany in 1964 I was off to war as my father said. I was a CAB of the QOR we were called to keep the peace in a country that wanted us gone. I was there until 1967 Children learn what they live. If you put a boy into the fight don't remove his right to defence.

[@yellowlt6]

Evil? Yes.

[@rose-tt9bl]

LOL not anymore things have changed since then I don't know if anybody's commented since the recent divide

[@jr0706]

I ordered Eric’s book last night. Coupled with the rise of Sound of Freedom, I think God is stirring His people to do much more than profess a theology.

[@eddiewalker7252]

With Chaos and darkness around the corner, God is calling his Sons and Daughters to arise and be the LIGHT in the Midst of darkness. Love God and Others, Heal the Sick and Make Disciples!

[@pamgessler5923]

I hope so. We're so quick to read a book and watch a movie and that's the end of it.

[@intheovaloffice]

Well put

[@Jennifer-gr7hn]

Maybe for those just waking up now, but some of us have been seeing the 'stirring' decades ago with the 'smart' tech, porn, contraception, planned barenhood, the shots, etc..... yes, people need to get off line and get working on their humility and perform ACTIONS.

[@amylynnhunt55]

@@eddiewalker7252 If you have the gift of healing. All believers in Jesus have different gifts from the Holy Spirit. But 💯 we are here to share the Gospel. The wonderful news of Jesus.

[@simeoncox8336]

I want to point out how much I appreciate Jordan Peterson as an interview. These podcasts used to be hard to watch, because he would just interrupt constantly. He doesn't do that anymore, and he asks very poignant questions, and even allows guests to interrupt him. This was an exceptional episode, I loved hearing what Metaxas had to say.

[@felixfoucher-paquin3171]

I saw the same thing, he was too used to speaking lmfao.

[@MegaMochadog]

They are very much alike in their interviewing habits. I've been so annoyed with both Metaxas and Peterson interrupting those they interview. And here I notice Metaxas interrupts Peterson! They're a good match!

[@jkap2249]

Keep in mind he was an academic. A professor. Professors talk for the whole hour with nobody else talking. For him to transform and now be and interviewer with no training, he definitely learned these skills on the fly! Very impressive

[@r.f.thompson4955]

Agreed. It is easy for an interviewer to interrupt and requires self-awareness and discipline. Peterson has that in spades.

[@beecee9681]

Are you saying Jordan has gotten a handle on impulsively interrupting and inserting a ridiculously long comment or question? If so, that's good to hear. I stopped watching because it was frustrating to watch with Jordan interrupting. I hadn't given up though. I do check in. I definitely noticed that Jordan wasn't interrupting. But I actually thought this conversation was an exception because Metaxas is such a strong person he was able to stifle Jordan. I thoroughly enjoyed the interview.

[@morganb8177]

As a born again Christian myself, Eric's description of how he was filled with joy when Christ was revealed to him in his dream was the exact feeling I had when He revealed himself to me. I had a knowing, a knowing that it was Jesus' s voice I heard that told me He forgives me. And Erik mentioned the specialness of the colors that he saw in his dream. This is also something I experienced in that moment, I remember having the thought "I have never seen such a blue sky. I have never seen such green as the leaves in that tree!" It made me feel like I had been reborn, and so I was. Thank you to these start men using their gifts to bend the world towards eternal truths.

[@johnlyons6233]

Every pastor in America needs to watch this interview

[@upboundbibletalks]

The intellectual prowess of these two, combined with their brutal honesty and moral wisdom is a refreshing reminder of what standing for truth in the service of love looks like.

[@AdirondackOlympics]

You have stated it so much better than I did. Bravo to your comment. Intellectual prowess..etc. .These two men were a delight to listen to.

[@victorvarnak1645]

🤣🤣🤣 I don’t think we need to hear from corrupt far-right puppets, on how to define ‘true religion’!!

[@PrudenceMcFrugal]

I’m so glad Eric Metaxas took the time to explain and share his testimony! It’s beautiful and God was definitely glorified in it! 🙌

[@carol4536]

I was happy to hear his testimony also. It's interesting to hear how God works in people's lives through there very personal experiences. I had a very similar experience with the Lord when He was drawing me to Himself. He used reason and someone else's dream about me. I also had the experience in reality of colors being brilliant after I was born again--like sunglasses were removed from my eyes. It happened after hearing the gospel about Jesus dying for my sin and being convicted of being a sinner while watching a TV evangelist. I repented and asked the Lord to forgive me thru tears of sorrow. Then it was as if a waterfall washed through my body from head to toes and a burden was lifted. I felt cleansed, joyful and light as a feather. I also immediately knew the Bible was God's Word and it was all true. It was like I was experiencing another dimension and God's presence just flooded me. I haven't been the same since that day in 1985. I found out later that Jesus said in the Bible that we must be born again--that's what it felt like--a spiritual birth. God is so amazing!!! Thank you, Jesus, for dying in my place. I can't express how grateful I am that you would die for me. I will always speak Your truth. Help me to always be courageous.

[@CarmonBenford]

God bless Eric for taking the gift given in this marvelous dream!

[@carol4536]

@@paulnobody2826, how what?

[@dianegarcia6562]

@@carol4536 I think Paul is a troll or just searching for answers for his empty life. Let's pray for him 🙏

[@carol4536]

@@dianegarcia6562, ok. Heavenly Father, I pray you would begin to open Paul's eyes to the glorious message of the gospel. Lord Jesus, when you died on the cross, You showed us what a loving Savior you are. I pray Paul would see the love, compassion, sacrifice and suffering you endured that he might have his sins atoned for and receive eternal life. I pray Paul would open his heart to Your amazing grace and love. Amen

[@peterjames1596]

I’ve been following both of you for years. I have immense respect for each of you. This has to be the best interview I’ve seen from either of you. Do a couple more so you can hit more subject matter.

[@philipaldrick5363]

I'm an Australian and been standing against many of these issue's since 2000. I got saved in 1983, and experienced many things in churches, but in 1997 God took me aside to a place where He could pull me up.

[@izabellasanchez8078]

Great interview. As a Christian I 100 percent agree with what Eric stated. A true Believer is not a coward and can see things from God’s perspective. We must speak out and know God will reward our obedience and His reward transcends the superficial rewards this world has.

[@lucyalicea4530]

The analogy that Jordan stated regarding the story of Cain and Abel was brilliant. I'm gonna have to re-read the story until it's very clear to me. The presentation was exceptional . The church needs to bring discussions like these to awaken Christians.

[@ginaschoenherr4820]

Thank you for this

[@Happy-Kafir]

Exceptional conversation, I agree! I shared it with my son, who's already a JP fan. Eric's explanation of divine inspiration was inspired :) God bless

[@donnastaub6856]

A

[@robertajaycart3491]

When the government or the left in politics comes to jail you or burn your house down and they will, this will be the result of courage.

[@sdbisalive]

The best hour and thirty-five minutes I have spent in a long time... I have a lot of work to do. This made me realize that Jesus did not come here to help me understand who I am, He came here to tell me who I am, and I better do something about it... Thank you Jordan and Eric!

[@arlenegarza4353]

Identity is power sound mind I just finished listening to an Interviewee of a scientologist who is now free interesting when they speak about spiritual beings spiritual assignments they know more about what they can do in allowing spirits into their bodies and multiple spirits in the realm they definitely Interviewee of a scientologist who is now free interesting when they speak about spiritual beings spiritual assignments they know more about what they can do in allowing spirits into their bodies and multiple spirits in the realm they definitely Vessels in in the spiritual realm but they also talk about planets and other beings they do not limit themselves to just a body and being taught about their body in their minds But spiritually being taught That their mind and their spirit can be stronger than their bodies Of course it's being possessed like evil spirits Christianity I agree with the statement above from the last person who commented it's not about learning who we are the God telling us who we are he says that we have power to kill and destroy like David who not only hit Goliath with the Stone in the Slingshot but he also got his sword to kill the giant many of us in the story with Khalid fell down But many have to get the sword to kill the giant That's the difference of understanding and God telling you who you are to have the power and authority to get your sword out and kill the giant the enemy these evil force sword of the spirit is not just to resist the devil We have power to cast outTo deliver and set others free who are bound by these evil spirits possessing other bodies their minds I understand that we are body here on Earth but we are of and it's interesting that we do have a spirit so we don't usually talk about this a lot in church about the spiritual realm although in the Bible it tells us about satan going up to heaven into the courtrooms and job it talks a lot about it and there's other places in the Bible I prevailations Isaiah the chair bump it's interesting that John himselfEnoch Elijah all had powersTransferred up to heaven whether it was by a chariot of fire it's hard for us to conceive spiritual visual heavenly spiritual things to see them the way that they are I've just listened to the scientologist speak I was thinking that their eyes were exposed to sea these things so why we as Christians can't see these things why we are hindered maybe because it's the evil spiritual Realm that is blocking us Our identity is we are seatedOn the right hand of the father we are not seated and earthly brown we are seated in the heavenly room whether we are here on Earth in this earthly body it says that we are right now seated at the right hand of the father we have permission to go in to the throne room of grace boldly It's knowing the position of our identity of God telling us who we are the power that we have invested we're being signed in by the city to get the power and authority to use that gun to kill down any thief or person assaultingAnother person is gonna threaten a person's life to arrest the person antipote judgment on that person until they go into the courtroom we have that access to do through the spirit Not many people talk about are rights a territorial demons either but jesus said that when you see the father do you will do also and do exceedingly more Being up are in the year 2024 and seeing that the year of the dragon will be coming very soon when China celebrates their New Year with the speed of a dragon spirit of all chaos well thisThe year of pestilence sickness death disease caused by many of these demons Today my eyes have been open in revelation but I'm still bound in darkness to actually see ask it in the person prayed Lord opened up his eyes to see and he saw the angels what a site Maybe part of the church is we should pray for this site to be seen but maybe we would get afraid so maybe we need to pray that we not only are told what our identity is but that we would have more understanding of what we can do it Like investing for gain to have wealth. The laws n principles of sowing reaping. Is God ok with us using the enemies tools web system to profit. In Isiah 45 says the sabeans will serve us. Bible says seek God's kingdom rightness is it God's allowance to use crypto to gain. As we us fiat currency. In laws of meeting our bodily earth needs to be wealthy can we use tye enemies AI system to preach to all the world. All things ✨️?? I heard a message it's now time to kill the giant Goliath. How? Using word of god. Or do we bring the giant to God ask beg n say holy spirit do it. Not by power might but by you. When God said I GIVE U POWER. SOUND MIND OF CHRIST HOLY SPIRIT GIVE US CLARITY YOU LIVE IN US. LIKE SICKNESS HOLY SPIRIT LIVES IN US. SO NO SICKNESS HURT INUURY MIND ALTERED DEmentia should be in us. God is liberal with his wisdom n I ask in all sincerely. GOD POUR OUT HIS POWER IN THESE LAST DAYS. WE ARE OF ONE GOD ONE SPIRIT NOT MANY. BUT I WONDER WHY EVIL PEOPLE OR PLAIN PEOPLE CAN SEE MORE SPIRITS THEN US CHRISTIANS. WOULD IT HARM HURT US. OR SEEING GOOD ANGELS N HEAVENLY STUFF. THE MIND IS DEFINITELY A TOOL INSTRUMENT OF GOD. ITS FASCINATING OUR BODY N SOULS HOW ALL THIS WORKS

[@checkyourself-ish]

@@user-mc2zb3cc9h So what book of the Bible do you suggest to read and why? Thank you

[@Laura-bw7jf]

​@@checkyourself-ishThe best start is the book of Romans❣️

[@maggyhanrahan]

Ĺl❤

[@hopeinHim5160]

Begin with John, because it is a good introduction to Jesus.

[@tommore8303]

Eric's unmasking of dead faith was excellent.

[@stoggsherfnik4569]

It arises in people who have no knowledge of biblical Hebrew.

[@DigiTuben]

I commend Jordan's patience in this interview, and can feel his companion to understanding Eric's thought process. It was hard to ignore Eric's faith in proving his worth, rather than his his work, which gave an awkward presence to the interview; which (to me) laid out his well-meaning and confirmed Jordan's clinical reaction throughout. It doesn't surprise me Jordan labeled this video as such. It certainly speaks to the importance of knowing who has worth and who may muddy the waters.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

In a world full of shallow views and out of context clips and soundbites it's awesome that JP has these sitdowns and meaningful discussions.

[@anne-mariemay4144]

Right!!!! My therapist and yours too!!

[@dalelerette206]

I wondered what would have happened if Cain had repented, had a change of heart, and just admitted the Cain's sacrifice was more pure. I suspect Cain's jealousy was manifested as violent anger in proportion to how much jealousy he felt toward Abel.

[@cynthiagonzalez658]

@@dalelerette206 Cain's sin was the same as Lucifer's.

[@OpiatedBliss]

I read that comment in the voice of the "Previously on AMC's walking dead" guy

[@dalelerette206]

@@cynthiagonzalez658 yes, pride does seem to be the chief of the deadly sins. The Scriptures say Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." Cain could have humbled himself and admitted Abel's sacrifice was purer. God, acting as Cain's conscience, revealed that Cain could have chosen NOT to kill Cain out of jealousy. Cain could have blessed Abel and said great job.

[@valor101arise]

Eric came and spoke at my church... life changing. Met him in person, such a humble, kind man!!!! The real deal

[@PoetlaureateNFDL]

Amazing how one person can change your life. 😮

[@concordance002]

I am interested to know how much of Eric's discourse to your church was religious and how much political. If the latter predominated then I think that he has unwittingly perhaps done you a disservice.

[@noideer4865]

This conversation shouldn't have to have taken place but I am very glad it did. Thank you. These conversations get better and better

[@shaynebetts7243]

Excellent conversation, thank you for allowing us to listen in and thank you both for standing, may we join in that!

[@mthunzidhlamini8257]

I love the intellectual chemistry between these two...

[@idonthaveaname42]

gayyyyy

[@ajdarc880]

@mthunzidhlamini8257….me too

[@grazynkatodisco4916]

Me too🧐

[@jackiepowell7513]

Being Christian is far from anti-intellectual. BobThieme my pastor or mentor of my pastor Dr Glen Carnagey. Their depth and teaching marches ..on but ,the mediocre continues enmasse. Predicted about the lukewarm church, which I believe is now. Revelation. Ps lbj s gag order has nuch to do w the silence. Trump lifted it; I m sure obama..err bobo put it back.

[@frolyhorn1426]

I do too. Eric just needs to reign in a bit his urge to butt in when Jordan is in the middle of creating a sentence.......haha...but I truly respect both of them

[@CMC606]

Amazing to listen to two intelligent articulate men who have the capacity to unpack complex conversations A true privilege to listen to them

[@karenmancina8679]

Yes amazing

[@susanawright7757]

Well said, it is a privilege to be able to listen and learn and be part of their discussions!

[@gregoryjacobson954]

What a great testimony about Eric's dream.

[@lynn8654]

Eric, you were Born again ❤ PRAISE GOD

[@KH-uv5ph]

"Our job is to fight. Our job is to fight, and to look to God for leadership and guidance, and the results are in His hands." This discussion is powerful.

[@victor_zsasz]

both are intellectually stupid. well read, articluate, but living in perceptions and therefore deception. Some men desire women, some desire money, others desire god. They are all moving in the same phenomena of desire nonetheless.

[@simplesimon4957]

@@SusanParker-uz5du 2000 years ago woman had way different lives than we have today.

[@esaber5301]

I wrote and rewrote this comment a dozen of times and still can't get it shorter than this. I am overly joyous/excited/thrilled after watching this video and for many many reasons too. One of them is that is extremely satisfying to listen to smart, intelligent, erudite, man whose hearts are in the right place. Man who love the truth, righteousness, justice, and above all GOD our creator. Another very important thing is the message and I need to tell you guys: It has been received. I was also struck by the Eric's testimony about how he came to Jesus. This is exactly what happened to me just a different dream. May I just say - Mr Peterson I appreciate how you pushed Eric to tell this story because in actuality this is our testimony/witness for the kingdom. I have also noticed that this theme keeps coming up over and over in Christian media. It confirms and encourages my believe that we have to take a stand and not be passive observers of what's going on around us. I learn to take responsibility for my own words and actions. Dear brothers and sisters in the faith, I want to leave you with this: if you do not find it in yourself - go to our Father in heaven. He is the one who will give you the change of heart. You can't do anything without Him. This is all H e wants - for you to seek Him, trust Him, obey Him. THE BATTLE BELONGS TO THE LORD. Choose who is your Lord today!

[@YahwehisGod]

Beautifully spoken

[@gkarjack504]

🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@carolyntemple6331]

Carnal Christianity lacks the honesty of supernatural Christianity that the disciples used -- and honest Christians use. That I use!

[@SeraphsWitness]

Metaxas is brilliant. I loved his biography on Dietrich Bonhoeffer and I'm also just about to finish Bonhoeffer's "The Cost of Discipleship" which Metaxas wrote the new forward for. So great!

[@sarahbeth9127]

I've listened to this 3X now and i have a feeling I will listen to it at least 3 more. This discussion is so earnest, necessary and completely refreshing ❤ thank you.

[@truthseeker8698]

The world owes a huge debt of gratitude to these two great men. Eric Metaxas through his podcast, has broadened my world with the many important guests he has on his show. I am eternally thankful for all of his hard work for God and country.🙏🏽🇺🇸❤️

[@daltanionwaves]

There is no pursuit more noble than the pursuit of truth friend. For no virtue can exist before the virtue of truth. It is the truth alone that can set us free. Only actions informed by the real truth, are capable of cutting the shackles that bind and exploit us. Exploit us physically, intellectually, spiritually, and economically... Just wanted to say that I appreciate you and especially your name Truthseeker. Keep fighting the good fight, and be energized to know there are hundreds of thousands of us, almost certainly many millions of us fighting the same fight... They've done well to keep us from realizing we are the majority. But it really feels like the tide is starting to turn, and the sun beginning to rise on their dark lies, deceit, secrecy and coercion. We will win.

[@tommydaniels1805]

Man I love this country 🇺🇸

[@Alan-cl2ix]

God and country have been seperated otherwise we'd he ruled by the Pope right now.

[@shanecawelti]

❤Praising God for Courageous people standing up for Righteousness!!

[@maggie8235]

Συγχαρητήρια Κε Μεταξά! Ως Ελληνιδα, θαύμασα την ομιλία σας και ως Ορθόδοξη, συγκινήθηκα πολύ που ένας Έλλην, άνθρωπος των γραμμάτων, όχι μόνο ΔΕΝ αλλοιώθηκε, αλλά βελτιώθηκε τόσο πνευματικά σε μια χώρα που δεν συγχωρεί την ύπαρξη του Αληθινού Θεού και Κυρίου ημών Ιησού Χριστού! Special thanks to Jordan for his wonderful interviews. God bless you Jordan!

[@debraholmes9286]

This was a fantastic delivery and brilliant,,thank you

[@unavocatepice]

I was struggling with my walk and I know the Lord put this interview in my feed. We have to keep fighting the good fight. Our Lord would have everyone saved, but we do have a choice. Thank you for posting this!

[@9asyhd9sahgdsahd59]

No lords or masters. Only men.

[@benjaminmorgan1662]

You are doing well, as long as you are searching for him and are ready to follow him, you will be ok!

[@MrThedocholiday]

Don’t know why I’ve never heard this guy before. Few men, let alone Christians, have the intellectual ability to match wits with Peterson. So when Christians invest in the depth of truth & understanding like Jordan’s guest does here, this kind of discussion becomes intolerably sharp & affective like very few things in life can be. Thank both of you gentlemen for your time, attention, courage & commitment to the highest things in your lives! I speak for many when I say, we deeply appreciate you both!

[@MTknitter22]

Oh there are more intellectually talented dedicated Christians than you may be aware of.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Human intellect means nothing compared to godly wisdom. The Father didn't choose the greatest intellectuals of the 1st century to be apostles. I'd rather have godly wisdom and understanding than to have someone sing my praises about how someone isn't able to match wits with my intellect.

[@kimberleywarren8679]

You haven't heard of him because YT erased him.

[@godswill2260]

Conflating earthly knowledge with Godly wisdom is foolish.

[@MrThedocholiday]

@@MTknitter22 And they need to speak up then.

[@user-bl7bt4tk7p]

When Eric asked Jordan, “what happens when you take a fish out of water?” I had chills. I keep thinking about everything he described in it. I was struck by all the layers of beautiful symbolism… and I’m sure there was more he had to say about it; coming through the water like a baptism. This is how God speaks to us.

[@philipaldrick5363]

Thank you Eric for your views, because what you are saying is exactly what Jesus has shown me on that journey. Jesus even pulled me out of churches and I was all on my own for a while and then God slowly joined a few brothers and sisters who stood with me.

[@vincentsmith8328]

We need to start broaching all the 'unbroachable' subjects right now! The things that are not discussed out in the open are the subjects that will only fester and become open sores later in society! Do not let the people in charge 'limit' our speech! Free speech is freedom!

[@dalelerette206]

Exactly. Much of the modern church appears to have the efficacy of Nietzschean struggle to power. Nietzschean philosophy really doesn't have much to do with the Roman Catholic Church, although some 'catholic radicals' would claim otherwise. Not all things can be defined as a Will to Power. The Church's silence on the nature of sin is opening the door to hell. The Nicolaitions (mentioned in The Apocalypse) insinuated that freedom in Christ granted them a blank check to sin. The fault of believers in Pergamum was not so much that they had followed this pernicious teaching but that they had allowed it to be vocalized in the congregation. The philosophy of the Nicolaitions WAS lacking legal or moral restraints. especially disregarding sexual restraints. licentious behavior. licentious revelers : marked by disregard for strict rules of correctness. The philosophy of the Nicolaitions should NOT be conflated with the Nicomachean Ethics of Aristotle. According to Aristotle's ethical theory, the virtuous person exhibits the joint excellence of reason and of character when they engage in Nicomachean Ethics. Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics should not be conflated with the philosophy of the Nicolaitions. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME PHILOSOPHY. Pope Innocent III and his predecessors believed that the Albigensian heresy was dangerous to Christendom because it threatened its moral conscience. While the heresies prior to the twelfth century had all been almost entirely doctrinal, the Albigensian Heresy was novel in that it was also a moral heresy. Albigensian Heresy was reminiscent of the Manichean Heresy, a strange dualism where it saw the universe as a struggle between a good god and an evil god. If I can bring this discussion down to a more biological level, I think of the butterfly. There are some who saw a butterfly struggling to escape from its cocoon. And in an effort to help them, they prematurely took the butterfly out. But then the butterfly died because it required the struggle to to grow. Some efforts to 'help' actually 'kill'.

[@danxdanx8877]

I have one such subject. Women shouldn't vote and the unprecedented move in human history to give women the same provileges and power as men, have been catastrophic for the human race, how's that for a subject ?

[@donnafoster5215]

@@danxdanx8877 While I don’t completely agree, it does make sense to require people who want to vote show a minimum level of understanding of how government functions. But that would open a big can of worms.

[@SeanKiernan420]

@@danxdanx8877 says the guy with an animated crusader profile pic that isn’t even the right way around… ya we should listen to this guy!

[@PiperPurdon]

@@atheosmachinabrilliant response!

[@swordofhonor2]

What an amazing podcast. My respect for these two men has only grown in the last few years.

[@patriciagraham222]

Totally agree. I'll be waiting this again and again.

[@Cowboyup57717]

Two of my favorites, and together they are fabulous! Thank you to JP and EM for this great podcast! To everyone else, take a stand for truth NOW.

[@jsf1949]

@@Cowboyup57717 Are you always given to understatement? 😉

[@kentphillips-ke4gl]

Erik that was a powerful dream and your expression of your relationship with Jesus Christ, thank you for your boldness and honesty!! K Phillips

[@walkitoff117]

Nothing less than the salvation of every human being, the reconciliation of them with each other, and the restoration of their original goodness, created in the divine image, can justify the sufferings and sadness that fill human history. Nothing less can vindicate the love and goodness of God. I am convinced of this. All will be made well. All.

[@alliswell-ei4fw]

As a Canadian who recently discovered politics, I'm surprised at how ignorant most Canadians are (I was the same way before the pandemic so I cast no shade). We need to work towards keeping Canadians informed because it's getting worse daily, and I don't think we're aware of the dangerous effect of Justin Trudeaus rhetoric. He WANTS us to be divided and until people wake up it will just get worse.

[@lindseyhiebsch6322]

Americans too. They're suppose to teach us how to run our own country in public school but instead we get this new religion of gender ideology ans race baiting bullshit making kids feel bad for qualities they have no choice in

[@valor101arise]

So grieved for your nation and how many fronts you have lots there

[@mayaphansalker456]

Thank you for getting into politics and not popular politics! You're very right about Trudeau. He's a dangerous man.

[@nerah7gmail]

Thanks to the LORD God, the creator of the universe and all that is in it has chosen and raised up some people for His good purpose of completing that Redemption in Jesus Christ. Thank God for Eric Metaxes, and Jordan Peterson, Clinical psychologist, who is searching and pondering over the TRUTH of human existence and meanings. So many are there with you. Continue with your quest, God will answer you as is His promise...

[@jamescassady8476]

God first then guns then country and family.

[@waltershaffer7233]

The Letter To The American Church is a great book. And we were fortunate enough to have Eric speak at our Church for one of our Apologia's.

[@erica.davidson]

As a believer in Jesus Christ in Canada 🇨🇦 thank you from the bottom of my heart, Eric Mataxas, for writing Letter to the American Church. And for having Eric to talk about it, Jordan Peterson!

[@irenemoreirataitson1677]

Thank you again, Drs. Jordan Peterson and Eric Metaxas! Greetings from Brazil.

[@whitneykhan8082]

If churches hosted these conversations and spoke this way, I don't care what denomination, I would be there and I know a lot of other people would be too. The unexamined life may not be worth living but it sure is useful to be guided in that examination by thoughtful, courageous, reality-based leaders. Thank you for this episode!

[@GreyThinkMedia]

These JP interviews are becoming must watch TV for me

[@jodihouts6032]

This made me realize that staying silent will force my grandson to have to use force.. just typing this makes me fearful of lists and making myself a target.

[@Practical.Wisdom]

I LOVE Eric's sense of humour! Great conversation, thank you!

[@malitagerber6423]

From South Africa, with not too many of the issues you guys face, I must say, the encouragement has blown my mind. I also enjoyed this podcast more than any other this year. I am Fired up and built up in my faith, which is NOT what I expected..thank you!

[@dmb8690]

You should leave south Africa

[@treyjenkins7334]

Stayed fired up brother! Rewards here mean nothing only the ones Jesus Christ gives in the next life will last for eternity!

[@janetcross5211]

⁠ are living scriptural lessons in real time🔥 & the deadwood thinking is well and truly ablaze, the refining of the Word has begun. With Christ, it’s gentle, without… the man-made “fear” perpetuated (advertent/ inadvertent) just keeps building with crushing pressure. We have a choice, Jesus always gives us the choice. Keep gently building your faith trading in all that is not of Christ with Holy Spirit … if in doubt trade it all in for Spirit gentleness, kindness, goodness and patience - this is how to hold and grow faith with Spirit “If” … by Rudyard Kipling

[@janetcross5211]

@@treyjenkins7334and the numbers after your name… God is watching everything 🔥

[@janethollinhead1874]

You need to fervently pray for our nation that God’hand will not turn from us we as person as a nation do not deserve it

[@Chellees]

This has been one of the most fascinating interviews! As a Christian, I am thankful for this discussion and I completely agree Eric Metaxas! We, as Christians MUST start standing up for what’s right and true! We have an obligation to stand up and if not, we will pay for our complacency!!

[@janethughes181]

I feel exactly what you say. I have become increasingly sensitive to how God is guiding me. I understand that we need to give your books to our pastors. I am involved in a movement in my county. We are trying to save our Country, and we need their help.

[@darrenfoster5341]

Yea I agree and expose lies and wickedness wherever we find it right? People stay silent through fear of labelling grass or intimidation. Those need our help to speak for them and encourage them to be brave and speak up and Do the right thing.

[@gerasimoseliasmessaris2499]

Eric I am also Greek and brought. Up in SouthAfrica . The Lord found me at the age of 14 . Such an honor to be chosen by Him

[@Linnidoo2]

...For such a time as this

[@user-pi3lh2sn2s]

Huge level of respect for both of these men.

[@cornfedinillinois]

I really needed to hear this. When you spoke about the people who stay on the safe religious path I realized that I am one of those people. Can’t wait to read your books now.

[@cjhaas4127]

The two of you, together...just amazing!! Thank you!!

[@danielfield3580]

This is the most truthful podcast I have ever heard. Thank God for two real men willing to speak to the evil that is present in today's world! I pray that your words drive nails into the signs of satans hand in all this, posted for all to see and hear! I also pray that ears can hear and eyes can see.

[@patriciagraham222]

Agree totally. God bless those two fine men.

[@ajdarc880]

@@patriciagraham222 did i say Amen🤣💪🏽✅🙏🏽

[@CatholicWisdom]

Amen. As an Italian living in the US, I find that this is an immensely important topic, as I’m shocked to realize what many people “think” christianity is about. Thank you for having this conversation. God bless you all.

[@dazzat91]

Religion is down to an individuals interpretation and they can pick and choose parts to follow based on their own morals. It's always changing anyways....the popes change their mind with things all the time to keep up with modernization. Very interesting.

[@user-yk6vi7yc3h]

God doesn't need a religion

[@dazzat91]

@@user-yk6vi7yc3h everyone's god is personal to them.

[@FranklyFarcical]

I’m an Italian living in New Zealand. The complete absence of God here is deafening. Che Dio vi benedica tutti.

[@MemeMan_MEMESQUAD]

​@@dazzat91yeah, the codified morality didn't proliferate and create the best societies on earth because people were picking and choosing. Why comment when you don't know anything

[@janetclark5668]

Two of my favorite people on KZbin! And the conversation that flows is priceless!

[@DeeDeeBirch]

I so thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. It’s nice to get out of my own head and listen to some other people. Thank you.‼️ I can’t wait to read this book💕

[@cynthiathomas5754]

Eric's Bonhoeffer book really helped me recognize the trends to come.

[@cat-bg3rv]

Agree. I have his book.

[@scottmckenna9164]

Detrich Bonhoffer not Eric.

[@cat-bg3rv]

@@scottmckenna9164 A well written Biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer by Eric Metaxas that explains History that informs and inspires men of a selfless person like Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

[@sandirataezyk1207]

I whole heartedly agree these guys killed it !! Great partnership... TWO Amazing hearts and heads ABUNDUNT TRUTH!!! LETS DO THIS AGAIN GUYS PLEASE

[@myraaross9770]

Gratitude! An enjoyable and exceptional message by two of the FEW honorable men!

[@Ninsuna]

One of my favorite interviews with two of the most fascinating people around! So happy it popped up in my KZbin feed. I first saw "Letter to the America Church" by chance in the new book section at the library & immediately borrowed and read it. Eric wrote my favorite biography, "Amazing Grace: William Wilberforce and the Heroic Campaign to End Slavery" ... he's just a fabulous writer. Both Peterson and Metaxas are heroes of our time and important luminaries in a dark world. God bless them both.

[@julierahn6932]

I thought Metaxas's book about Bonhoeffer was so eye-opening. The parallels he makes about the silence of the Church today with it's silence during the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s is true. The Bonhoeffer book sparked me to reclaim the family's long lost heritage of Judaism. Thank-you, Mr. Metaxas.

[@davidm1149]

Bonhoeffer was a wonderful example of someone whose message lived on in the face of his tyrannical murderers. Those monsters are alive in Washington at present.

[@nathanshaw77]

Reclaiming mine as well.. Shabbat Shalom!

[@suew4609]

The Pope Pius XII, the Pope at the time, did speak out, in fact he was honored by a Jewish rabbi’s for doing so. Many Catholics saved Jews. It was a difficult time as the Church was being persecuted and many Christians were martyred, too, a fact that isn’t usually talked about. Thousands of clergy were killed by the Nazis. The Pope was an unrelenting opponent of the new German “ideals”-even writing an entire encyclical, ‘Mit Brennender Sorge’ (1937), to condemn them. He widely condemned them before he became pope, and after. When Pius XI died in 1939, the Nazis abhorred the prospect that Pacelli, Pope Pius XII, might be elected his successor because he had been so outspoken against them. The Pope secretly worked to save as many Jewish lives as possible from the Nazis, whose extermination campaign began its most intense phase only after the War had started. The negative consequences of speaking out strongly were only too well known. “In one tragic instance, the Archbishop of Utrecht was warned by the Nazis not to protest the deportation of Dutch Jews. He spoke out anyway and in retaliation the Catholic Jews of Holland were sent to their death. One of them was the Carmelite philosopher, Edith Stein. While the U.S., Great Britain, and other countries often refused to allow Jewish refugees to immigrate during the war, the Vatican was issuing tens of thousands of false documents to allow Jews to pass secretly as Christians so they could escape the Nazis. What is more, the financial aid Pius XII helped provide the Jews was very real. Lichten, Lapide, and other Jewish chroniclers record those funds as being in the millions of dollars-dollars even more valuable then than they are now. “In his memoirs, the then Chief Rabbi Zolli of Rome writes that he was sent to the Vatican, where arrangements had already been made to receive him as an ‘engineer’ called to survey a construction problem so that the Gestapo on watch at the Vatican would not bar his entry. He was met by the Vatican treasurer and secretary of state, who told him that the Holy Father himself had given orders for the deficit to be filled with gold vessels taken from the Treasury.” Thousands of Jews were shelter by the Vatican, monasteries, churches, and even the Pope’s summer home. His success in protecting Italian Jews against the Nazis was remarkable. Lichten records that after the War was over it was determined that only 8,000 Jews were taken from Italy by the Nazis -far less than in other European countries. In June,1944, Pius XII sent a telegram to Admiral Miklos Horthy, the ruler of Hungary, and was able to halt the planned deportation of 800,000 Jews from that country. The Pope’s efforts did not go unrecognized by Jewish authorities, even during the War. The Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, Isaac Herzog, sent the Pope a personal message of thanks on February 28, 1944, in which he said: “The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in this world.” After the war, Rabbi Zolli became a Catholic and, to honor the Pope for what he had done for the Jews and the role he had played in Zolli’s conversion, took the name “Eugenio”-the Pope’s given name-as his own baptismal name. Zolli stressed that his conversion was for theological reasons, which was certainly true, but the fact that the Pope had worked so hard on behalf of the Jews no doubt played a role in inspiring him to look at the truths of Christianity. Excerpts from Catholic Answers. Because of the lies that were spread at the time, not many people heard about what the Catholic Church did for the Jews, but now much of it has come out. I am proud that my Church was so outspoken an and saved so many. I am sure there are Protestant Christians that saved Jews, too, but you couldn’t toot your horn loudly at the time the Jews were being killed, or they wouldn’t have saved any. Besides, a good Christian wouldn’t draw attention to himself, anyway, just work secretly.

[@suew4609]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@davidm1149Yes, they are the same. It’s the same communist ideals that Russia has spread. The Blessed Mother Mary appeared to 3 peasant children in a Portugal in 1917. She told them the war would soon end, but if the people didn’t turn back to God and pray the Rosary for peace, another worse war would happen. Of course, it did. She also said if Russia wasn’t consecrated to her Immaculate Heart, that Russia would spread its errors through the world. That has obviously happened, too. It’s time to pray the Rosary for peace, before it’s really too late!

[@wp-nv3il]

I absolutely love Eric Metaxas' humility and sense of humor. New fan here.

[@slavicstriz8715]

Just spent 200$ to listen to the end of this conversation. ❤

[@historian9484]

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[@krizilloo2538]

@@slavicstriz8715Me too! 😂

[@maudey53]

Could we have more of these two, please? So enlightening, entertaining, and thought provoking. Keep them coming!

[@brendadickenson3547]

Thankful for this interview,God Bless you all!

[@SuperHellonwheels]

Jordan, I always love hearing you laugh! Eric, thank you for making him chuckle a few times! Our souls need laughter through these crazy, challenged times. Love listening to the words of wisdom you both exude. We need to stand tall for what we believe in and stop allowing others to change our values and commitments to God.

[@jackiepowell7513]

God has humor; otherwise the genealogy would not show a harlot in the lineage. Satan has no humor like his followers.

[@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT]

I"m going over to the Daily Wire for the rest of it... I sincerely pray this stays up on youtube... And I sincerely pray for God to make himself even more real to Dr. Peterson than he may have already. Thanks for having this discussion with Eric, he's a genius in his own right.

[@marcellasusanmoser3802]

I have experienced the conversion that Eric Metaxas described. Before I gave my life to Christ, I had my own standard of good. I took some sin behavior as extremely serious, but glossed over the rest. When I had broken my own standard of good, I had nowhere left to go, but to seek after God. In my brokenness, I asked God if He would forgive me for something I knew better than to do, and He showed me a great storm, I was at the foot of the cross of Jesus Christ, and in that moment, I KNEW that God had forgiven me. Shortly after I had repented of my sin and recieved God's forgiveness and trusted in the finished work of Jesus, the free gift of salvation, my eyes were opened to all the sin around me, and I was mortified by what I had taken so casually in my own eyes, and then seeing it from God's perspective as deadly serious. Sin is deadly serious to God. So, I get exactly where Eric Metaxas is speaking and sharing from. It's a a complete shift in perspective, and it does matter to God.

[@yapphenghui2010]

Very encouraging message

[@lolawolfe707]

When Eric said “ it means, I’ve accepted Jesus. “ I felt that in my soul and spirit. I experienced a similar awakening and was no longer ashamed.

[@MichaelDiSalvoSATandACTTutor]

This is a great episode, but it all must go back to the person of Christ. He founded one religion in the year, 33, ad. The same religion has persisted, and even gone underground to a degree. You can still find the places where the Catholic Church existed 2000 years ago. The writing show evidence of the same teachings and the same sacraments. This is why my wife’s family have always been St. Thomas Christians and their faith has never changed. But heresy cannot save you

[@bananaanna1373]

This was a little different in style. It was more like a discussion between friendly colleagues rather than interviewer/interviewee. Excellent.

[@bsun3219]

I feel blessed being able to listen these two Great men.Thank you dr Peterson.

[@amylynnhunt55]

Wonderful. I could listen to these men for - oh, every day. Thank you both!