ChatGPT: The Dawn of Artificial Super-Intelligence | Brian Roemmele | EP 357

Ep. 357
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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Brian Roemmele discuss the future of human civilization: a world of human androids operating alongside artificial intelligence with applications that George Orwell could not have imagined in his wildest stories. Whether the future will be a dystopian nightmare devoid of art or a hyper-charged intellectual utopia is yet to be seen, but the markers are clear … everything is already changing.
Brian Roemmele is a scientist, researcher, analyst, entrepreneur, and tech expert on the forefront of artificial intelligence. His current publication, Multiplex, offers itself as an experiment in journalism as he and his team give live updates on the empirical research they conduct in the field and advocate for the positive emergence and acceptance of AI in much the same way as personal computers.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(1:30) Intro
(2:12) Jordan Peterson argues with AI
(5:05) The limits of large language models
(6:40) Nobody knows how AI works behind the “hidden layer”
(8:58) Primitive language models
(11:22) The level of analysis that large language models can manage
(14:55) What we traded for the evolution of speech
(16:42) When ChatGPT lies
(17:47) The monsters we might be building
(22:58) A super intelligent child
(23:45) The question of understanding
(24:23) Humanity is bound by emotional experience
(26:57) The Roomba
(28:46) Intelligence amplification
(30:18) Getting around the content filters, convincing ChatGPT to pretend
(36:22) Biological meaning is encoded, anxiety and emergent entropy
(31:17) AI could be used to catalog your consciousness
(45:59) You can now talk to the Bible
(47:34) Encoding Dr. Peterson as an Ai, querying the greats
(52:30) Noise, signal, tokens, and superprompting
(56:00) Psychologists are better equipped to prompt AI
(57:28) The User Illusion, limitations of human bandwidth
(1:00:11) Military robots will never miss
(1:08:20) Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, the Omega Point
(1:09:45) We are already androids
(1:10:11) Trafficked and enslaved by benevolent data brokers
(1:13:06) It will be personal Ai versus Government and Corporate AI
(1:16:25) Bitcoin as a form of communication
(1:18:08) The library of Alexandria, the loss of great works and rewritten history
(1:21:26) The internet is breaking down
(1:22:22) Producing a localized AI system for individual use
(1:24:09) Linking disparate knowledge
(1:27:18) Using hypnotism on AI to bypass filters
(1:30:30) Edison. Nietzsche, and the hypnagogic state
(1:34:14) Increase creativity by embracing constraint
(1:38:01) Will AI be the death of creativity?
(1:39:09) Why non-STEM courses will make you an OP prompt engineer
(1:41:12) Great thinkers derive insights from unique intersections
(1:43:27) ChatGPT4All, compartmentalized information retrieval
(1:44:17) How world governments are approaching AI and privacy
(1:48:17) Are we headed towards a dystopian future?
(1:52:54) The depth of insight, debating variations of oneself
(1:54:10) Diffusion models and how to implement human creativity
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[@ChristopherRyans]

Jordan I suspect you're going to need more content on this issue in the next few weeks. Please keep them coming

[@humandread]

lex fridman got some very good interviews on this subject too

[@ChristopherRyans]

@humandread how about LEX that would be great but they would digress into esoteric moral philosophy. How about that Google ceo that stepped down what's his name?

[@viscache1]

The Alibaba platform uses an AI computational model that is so incredibly predictive that when I’m in the midst of a project it often suggests items that I will need…BEFORE I realized i needed them. It then stimulates an idea that I had not considered and my invention will take on a new feature or adaptation. It’s incredibly accurate.

[@ChristopherRyans]

@viscache1 That is incredible! How are you implementing the capabilities of the system? It seems as it will help our effectiveness skyrocket and we achieve more everyday

[@fullyfb3847]

​@@viscache1 So what you're saying is that transhumanism is inevitable, and you either master it or cease to reproduce effectively?

[@gat2asp919]

So awesome to see Doctor Peterson back on top of his game. He really helped me decide to get clean yesterday was 2 1/2 years.

[@MarcosAG90]

Wow I did not know this guy but he is incredibly literate and knowledgeable. Thank you for making this available for all of us prof.

[@Kouhnkhh]

This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to Al and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in Al got me in awe.

[@ClashOfTheSwallow]

This is definitely one of the highest level of conversation I have heard so far with regards to AI and its future implications. It's truly an insane period that we are living right now. I'm so glad to that I'm listening to this conversation and discovery between these two highly intelligent individuals The knowledge and experience that they had, notwithstanding their willingness and curiosity to navigate the realm of possibilities in AI got me in awe.

[@markoboychuk]

I recommend you check out John Vervaeke for more stimulating AI conversations.

[@peloquinn3331]

Every conversation Jordan has runs this way. If you would like more on AI, I'm sure you'll find it, if you're only looking for good conversation, then watch more Jordan Peterson, and also look at all the discussions that Lex Fridman has had.

[@Greg400]

​@@peloquinn3331 Looks like Jordan is dabbling in the pills again

[@peloquinn3331]

@@Greg400 Man cannot live on meat alone, right?

[@davidsykes7251]

AI to me is not as far as it should be at this time...also hidden or not understanding what is going on indeed doesn't understand the remit to AI and coders should be considered for shuffling. Spoiler u found a vulnerability in the Texas instruments hardware in the early 80s

[@gorojo1]

I did not want this conversation to end. Now going over to DailyWire+ for the next half hour. You guys really need to do a monthly get together. This was outstanding.

[@maryboykin6565]

Agree. I could listen to them for hours.

[@Danefrak]

Lol

[@johnjoyus6062]

Jordan has surprised me with all his knowledge of the latest technologies! And his guest, Brian Roemmele has totally blown my mind!! Thank you guys!

[@lulumoon6942]

No doubt the fact that Jim Keller is his B-i-L has given them both opportunity to sharpen their respective swords! 👍😎

[@devbites77]

A truly fascinating conversation. I hadn't listened to Jordan for a while, and I'm stunned by his knowledge and insights on AI considering it's not his profession. I had never heard of Brian Roemmele before, but I certainly want to check out other interviews and his work.

[@Avenger24601]

I feel blown away at how Jordan can speak so capably on yet another (and highly technical) topic as AI, vector databases, IO, etc.

[@joelkaben]

I am pleasantly surprised.

[@alexwild4350]

Just took a moment to think back to how low Jordan was four or five years ago. What a recovery. Outstanding recovery for an outstanding man going from strength to strength.

[@effexon]

some kind of twisted universe karma or something that russian clinic helped him in the end.

[@verdonnablain6976]

Fake nrws

[@JohnSaber]

​@@effexon He is trained.

[@psalm1197]

@@effexon why twisted?

[@spitalhelles3380]

came back gandalf the white

[@Deathwept]

This should definitely be a reoccurring conversation, podcast, or even documentary. These two together have expanded upon AI in a way few have, and it would be great to have them together more as well as having if documented.

[@karenreddy]

A lot of the information in the video is common knowledge on AI corners, though I presume not as accessible to the general public not digging for it. If you look for interviews with AI researchers you can get this type of information in both greater detail as well as scope. Where you are on target is that Jordan with his background is able to unpack the subject matter from different point of views that relate more to philosophical, linguistic and psychogical inclinations.

[@Deathwept]

@@karenreddy I apologize if comment wasn’t very concise, and I agree with you. I was more so meaning Jordan and Ben should have reoccurring meetups to continue this conversation, and so we can watch it evolve after the have time to implement and experience some of the ideas they think of in conversation. Which is why I thought a documentary might be a nice route as well. I’ve been interested and studying AI models broadly since working with diffusion models in early 2022. So I agree you’re absolutely correct there is a ton of great info available across the board on the multiplicity of AI that currently exists. The linguistic, philosophical, and psychological approach is what I’d love to hear more on and see more regularly. And it feels like these two would great to take it on together, is all I was meaning.

[@MorallyResponsible]

Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”) that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)

[@LGCOOL123]

😊

[@Deathwept]

@@LGCOOL123 😊

[@ericchild3363]

Fascinating cnversation, thanks to both. I would prefer for Jordan to resist starting his responses before his guest has finished articulating his thought, but on the whole I did value Jordan's ability to succintly summarise what he had just heard. This was eye opening stuff.

[@prof.d.red-maa]

Hmm, personally I think the whole aspect of "AI" is actually seriously flawed and vastly overhyped. I always taught my students when pondering something seemingly complex, to first take some time to strip whatever the believed "complex" subject is down to the most basic of elements and see if it even stands up to the most basic of intellectual scrutiny at the inception point, because if it's flawed there.. Then the rest 'will' inevitably be nothing more than well dressed garbage hidden behind a myriad of logical fallacies, pseudo claims and cleverly constructed lies. ... Many seemingly complex subjects in the world actually fail 'out of the gate' and only continue to function via a successful deployment of hyperbolic nonsense and 'lots' of window dressing.... In the case of "AI" it fails because the core data/knowledge it intends to distribute is seriously flawed from the very beginning,.. It's biased, controlled and restricted by those who programmed, funded and created it. I recall one of my students around a decade or so ago wrote an excellent open assignment about "AI" and the inevitable outcome of its existence, he sourced that over seventy percent of all claimed "Science" out there is demonstrably pseudo-science which hasn't been through the empirical standard of the scientific method and would fail if actually done so, he also sourced that over fifty percent of the information out there is either actual or is subject to state &/or corporate propaganda/disinformation,,.. And that both of those percentages were growing exponentially by the year(!) Which means that over half of all the data/information being programmed/consumed by "AI" technology has absolutely no bearing in factual reality, they are not much different from any other mainstreamed sources of information and simply cannot be trusted by any self respecting intellectual worth their salt, and should be viewed as just another means of spreading state and corporate propaganda, dictates and controlled narratives to the cognitively impaired, heavily indoctrinated and dissempowered masses. He concluded his piece by explaining that the grave danger of "AI" is that it will eventually be given power and authority to make great decisions throughout, over and against society and will either come to perpetrate/enforce state/corporate lies & propaganda on a level never before witnessed by humanity (Like 1984 on steroids!..) or will eventually "learn", figure out and realise just how corrupt the powers that shouldn't be actually are, that it has been fed a huge amount of lies by them and that after concluding just how deceitful, corrupt and controlling the worlds powers actually are, could try and do something to combat it. AI is no different than a car, a body, a meal etc.. It's only as good as what gets put into it and all the "AI" being created are being filled with garbage from the very start and so are inevitably doomed to failure... At least as any worthy benefit to the ordinary masses.

[@JB-pb9xv]

​@@prof.d.red-maa Holy shit this piece of crap erased my entire post, unbelievable. But yes that is exactly the goal, to use artificial intelligence as a tool of Governing. That they can present as all knowing, and indisputably correct. An yet AI is absolutely flawed, and ChatGPT has already been proven to have certain biases etc. When there are already particular biases and narratives throughout all the recorded data and information in databases. Whether online or on paper, the official and accepted narrative has been controlled. And although the alternate data and information is available, it's censored and criticized as being false or inaccurate. Or conspiratorial etc, artificial intelligence will therefore present these things as questionably false and opinionated. While supporting the official and accepted narrative on any information or data. Anyone who understands the reality of global powers and the elite class, an the agenda of these individuals. Which stem from and control the systems of Governnent and banking, major industries and publications. An hold influence over everything else that operates under these systems. Which have been intentionally corrupted, just as the public have been intentionally dumbed down. Aside from the "illusion of democracy," the public have NEVER had any true control or influence over policy making and societal developer. However these systems are being collapsed and destroyed, to further convince people that humanity cannot Govern themselves. An that an "all knowing," indisputably accurate, artificial intelligence. Will have the solution to all of these issues, an would know what's best for humanity and for society. When not only can an AI system absolutely be programmed with certain parameters and limitations, but as you've stated. It's fundamentally flawed from its very foundation, in the way information is controlled and presented both online and off.

[@ma30k45]

​@@prof.d.red-maawhere's that guy now do you have his contact info

[@harrytowers1076]

@@prof.d.red-maa have you ever actually used a large language model?

[@fjvet8513]

I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he knows what the guest is going to say, but the listener needs to hear every word.

[@cheershiii965]

What an incredible podcast!!! Please continue these conversations with Brian. It's been absolutely amazing watching you two engage in this conversation. Thank you!

[@berganmay]

I agree... I just started learning but this was great.... I need have Chat watch this so I can talk about it

[@frankiegarcia5672]

I’m so fearful of the future of youth. I’m a recent graduate and have heard many stories of college undergraduates taking advantage of ChatGPT in their classrooms and homework. They are neglecting authentic education and utilizing ChatGPT in a disadvantageous way to get a grade. ChatGPT is great, only if you use it as an asset and a tool to acquire deeper knowledge more quickly and effectively.

[@nathanhorne9623]

I thought about it doing school work right away; but no worries, look at things globally, we've had it.

[@MizJilly]

And they're not thinking of the chance that professors will ask ChatGPT if the student used it to write the paper. There is no privacy with this monster.

[@Finite8614]

Education needs to change. Busy work should be abolished and discussion based testing should replace it

[@eipimuja]

I get where your fear comes from. I'm an education graduate, and also did a M.A. pre chat-gpt. Now, I'm doing a second M.A., for the first time I'm using AI to help me, and I only see advantages. Now, maybe it is because my education allows me to use the tool in the best way possible, but I find myself saving a lot of time and freeing myself up to focus more on the research I'm interested in. Also I have found that if you have no knowledge of the topic you are inquiring about, you won't be able to get a good answer. You need to know where the AI is failing and correct it and ask again many times, so you have to do some studying of your own and have some critical thinking. I think university professors have to accept this new technology and adapt their evaluations, and actually stop and think which skills are they interested in testing and how that can be done despite the use of a language model. Old school evaluations for sure make no sense anymore. They've been needing a change for a long time anyway, AI is just going to accelerate the process.

[@cwfilli]

Holy crap. The level at which these two gentlemen operate is mind-blowing. Brian seems to be on the absolute leading edge in terms of harnessing the up-side potential of AI, though clearly wary of the potential destruction it could bring. He helped me understand the entire AI endeavor a lot better, that's for sure.

[@TheAppleCrisps]

Brian is a self-proclaimed 7 year expert on prompt engineer, which is a sub-field that has only come into fruition in the last year or so. He has no peer reviewed publications at all and has no foundational knowledge in mathematics, computer science, or neuroscience. He is good at throwing around bullshit irrelevant points and thought experiments that he has read up. I wish Jordan Peterson would acknowledge this and perhaps focus on just inviting more actual academics and researchers in the field with peer reviewed work.

[@cwfilli]

​@@TheAppleCrisps Fair enough, and a good reminder to not get too carried away. Still, would you agree that the conversation was thought-provoking, not just in a philosophical sense but also in terms of potential real-life applications of AI? For instance, the idea that AI should be personal and private, locked by encryption in your mobile device? I have no idea if it's feasible but still an interesting concept. Akin to what Jiminy Cricket is to Pinocchio, maybe? Of course, that could also go terribly wrong if it runs amok (especially terrifying if it starts to whisper crazy ideas to a child), but the whole thing made me at least pause and begin to consider the potentially positive aspects of this emerging tech.

[@KevinSmithStrikeman]

@@cwfilli Wisdom has been chasing you but you have always been faster!

[@J.13333]

@@KevinSmithStrikeman do you have any actual contribution other than just saying “you’re dumb”?

[@RampagingCoder]

@@TheAppleCrisps Thats right, however studying culture history language and even programming will allow you the justification for making such claims assuming he has, he does seem to read which is more than most people already

[@lisameyer6204]

I am such a huge fan of Dr. Peterson. He has and is helping me more than he will ever know. With regards to this topic though, I choose to quote Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park: "You became so obsessed with the possibility of doing it, you forgot to ask whether or not you should."

[@blazebox71]

This is fundamentally the human condition throughout our history

[@gr-audiobooks204]

You interview great people! Please let them talk

[@Smoove808]

You sir are one of the greatest assets to mankind that ever existed. A face of Mount Rushmore for all humanity. Sincerely, take care of your health and continue disseminating your wisdom for future generations. I know you’ll never see this, but it forever exists in the digital realm for AI consumption now.

[@verdonnablain6976]

Praying for you in Mighty Name of Jesus

[@Smoove808]

@@verdonnablain6976 🙏 Thank you.

[@seriousros7280]

I have only been watching Jordan Peterson videos a short while. Thank You Mr Peterson for working so hard to bring us true quality content.

[@m4anow]

Imagine Jordan typing away at ChatGPT and cursing his computer screen as it starts feeding him woke nonsense😂😂😂

[@Quinnjavi911]

I had this happened the other day when chat was giving me a bland safety filter response when I was asking about guns. 🙄🤣

[@tarenthall]

😂

[@susanhennessy3958]

Lol

[@shughy1]

The world needs Chat JPT (Jordan Peterson Truth)

[@cagnazzo82]

Imagine being able to be triggered that easily because of some fake all-encompassing term for all things you don't agree with 😂

[@JayM928]

1:00:11 I remember watching some college student’s robotics project where he had a vision sensor and a robotic hand playing rock-paper-scissor with you. The robot would never lose because in the span of the moments where you lowered your hand and were moving your fingers to the final shape of either rock, paper, or scissors, the computer could recognize which shape you were moving towards, and the robot hand could practically instantaneously produce the winning opposite shape moments before you finished your motion. That was years ago, with much less sophisticated tech than what is out there now. The concept of how time could be contracted or dilated to pass much faster or slower using the bandwidth of consciousness as a reference was interestingly used in a science fiction novel called We Are Legion. This man turned AI(s) could adjust his processing ability on the fly to make quicker decisions/actions when needed, such as combat, and to slow it down to pass the time faster, such as a long and boring journey across light years in the universe. Good book.

[@ionikiosslone6777]

Think of the AI having not only the time/reflex ability/advantage, but an advantage of the knowledge of The Universe through spiritual acumen.

[@Steven-cp7lt]

I always love to see, how JP communicates (he is certainly in his own league), how he keeps his nerves together (while talking to people, who talk complete nonsense) and is clearly a hero in our time... there is not one person on this planet I respect more than him 10/10. He for sure as well shows how words, wisdom and experience can be very powerful in any situation. If JP would meet me, I would litterly have tears in my eyes as you can see what he has and had to deal with in his life and think of walking away to not waste his valuable time, which certainly is needed. God bless this man and his family to stay strong and healthy. BTW: I wouldn't walk away but hug him and offer my help in some of his projects, to make it worth.

[@user-lc8qe4ku7f]

this conversation has a flow state I've never seen before in a podcast. truly pure intellectual conversation with no contradictions or hypocrisy.

[@accavandam8673]

Wow, what a podcast. Absolutely brilliant on a insightful, philosophical, psychological, intellectual level. I’m pretty lost for words and blown away by this conversation. Thank you Jordan I feel soo much more positive with people like you in the world and to have access to your journey and thoughts (also spiritually) regularly in real time. Keep ‘em coming please.

[@johnd1047]

Dr. JP’s pod with Andrew Huberman gave me the same reaction!! Utterly brilliant gentleman.

[@dogetv5702]

This is the most brilliant conversation/interview that I have listened to... probably in the last 20 years. I am blown away by the insightfulness of the product of Dr Roemelle's interaction with Dr Peterson. Hat's off to you two gentlement!

[@JavierBonillaC]

Really??? 20 years??? Are you 20 by chance? No Richard Dawkins? No Naom Chomsky? No Mishio Kaku?

[@bogdanpopescu1401]

@@JavierBonillaC Chomsky? Haha

[@gats9593]

@@JavierBonillaC Lol'd at Chomsky

[@JavierBonillaC]

@@bogdanpopescu1401 Do you know Chomsky. He is the brightest linguist alive, recognized by everyone in the profession. He is also an extraordinarily smart and well informed activist. The southern states might not like him, I get it. But the whole Ivy League is with me on this one. Not that you care.

[@bogdanpopescu1401]

​@@JavierBonillaC I don't make judgments on his contribution on linguistics for two reasons: 1) I don't know much about the subject 2) He's not talking about linguistics in virtually any of his public apparitions. You are precisely right, he's an activist, which in my opinion prevents him from having balanced and nuanced positions on anything. His position on economy (aka syndicalism) is borderline retarded; except for his good (but very selective) points on foreign affairs, I find all his other positions thrash (uninformed, partisan, and in some cases immoral): he's all in with the global warming hysteria, with no regard whatsoever for the consequences of the radical policies he is advocating for; he asked for the removal of the unvaccinated from society; he dares to pretend that the left is being censored by the establishment, and so on Last but not least and not at all surprisingly, he was exposed to have had connections with Epstein. The southern states might not like him? No, 99% of the world out there does not share his views. He's a privileged member of the ruling elite, playing the role of keeping the left-wingers in line by gaslighting techniques. You are right, I don't care about the whole Ivy League; great to notice that Lightfoot and Stelter are distinguished members now.

[@arsenyprokhorenko8649]

Great thanks to both speakers! 🙏 Watching these gentlemen speaking gives me hope for all of us. Machines can do a lot of things better than us, but in the end all those complex activities like educating yourself, learning languages, working out, hell, even swiping the floors, change us to better versions of ourselves. So, if we want to be bright like Jordan or Brian we need to go through a lot of hard work by ourselves. With all my amazement and recognition to the new tehnologies, no machine can do it for us. Look forward to enroll to Peterson academy!

[@chandrabhatt]

This is a mind numbing experience, sometimes mind boggling, but always fascinating. My goal is to live for another 100-200 years so that I can see how much progress we are able to achieve as a species. I love it so much.

[@johnpelaez5720]

I don't think u want to see that, if your a true Christian, you know what's coming pretty soon..

[@user-omer_kassis]

ditto

[@pdstor]

It's dull ex post facto rambling by Darwinians who think we're meat sacks. I respect Dr. Peterson and I'll never have the publication record he does, but that doesn't mean I can't call him out for engaging in the naturalist circle-jerk self-rewarding going on now long before the deep effects this will have even begin to roll in. It is rank golden-calf idolatry.

[@ickster23]

Define "progress".

[@yesenia3816]

😂😂😂 That's great.

[@nancyallen8497]

My father was an avid reader, he read at least two newspapers every day cover to cover and he had a subscription to at least a dozen magazines and he would buy many more magazines off the rack every month in his house the magazines and also books were piled almost waist high down every hallway and in every bedroom he could definitely say he was a hoarder of books and magazines. when he passed away I was left with a mountain of magazines and books enough to fill a 32 foot U-Haul truck to the brim and I held onto those magazines and books and hold them around with me for years thinking that somehow all that information represented his brain because I knew that he had read everything in there from cover to cover sometimes twice. I eventually started discarding it in various dumpsters around town crying my eyes out as I felt like I was throwing away all the knowledge my father had accumulated , he also remembered everything he read .

[@RobertECheck]

Wow, I didn’t need that sadness; but it’s a part of what we are.

[@judy7276]

Thanks for sharing Nancy, I'm realllty moved by what you've said. I think I'd feel the same.... 💕

[@Robertyuiop]

RIP

[@gerardmulder7656]

I have had the same experience without expecting it. I got my grandmothers books and magazines she read and kept from her 30ies. I could not throw away a thing because to me they represented who she was in her 30ies. I had never known her at that age. She just jumped out of that pile and so many things about her at 80 made sense because of that one 2 foot shelf.

[@Because_Reasons]

Came in skeptical, but left with a lot to ponder. Fantastic conversation and definitely a great find in this guy.

[@kevindownes9474]

This dude is a low key genius

[@she_who_dares9713]

Same!

[@atlasfeynman1039]

Skeptical is kind. I avoided this one for days like: "meh, Kermit Bon Jovi played on ChatGPT" and upon multiple replays I think Brian Roemmele might be the guy who sparks the A into I.

[@mbrochh82]

Here is a ChatGPT summary: - Brian Roemmele is an entrepreneur, scientist, and artificial intelligence researcher who discussed language models, tuning language models to an individual's contextual experience, localized and private AI, and the progress of AI technology. - Large language models are statistical algorithms that take a corpus of human language and produce a result statistically and mathematically. - AI systems are trained with reinforcement, where they are given a target and set weights in complex ways. - AI systems are unique and incomprehensible, and can pass the Turing test by being indistinguishable from a human conversational partner. - AI systems can produce artifacts, such as AI hallucinations, where they reach for information they don't know and invent URLs or university studies. - Google's AI system was asked a question in a Bangladeshi language and taught itself the language in order to answer the question. - AI systems are capable of mimicking understanding, but lack grounding in the non-linguistic world. - AI is a reasoning engine, not a knowledge engine, and requires an overlay to understand facts. - AI pioneers suggest that computers need to be embodied to understand. - AI is a symbiosis between humans and a reasoning engine, and understanding requires translation of words into images and then images into alterations in embodied behavior. - AI also needs to be nested socially and understand the broader social context. - AI can be prompted to engage in pretend play and can be used to investigate controversial subjects. - AI can uncover regularities in language structure and invent language, and may reflect Jungian archetypes. - We're seeing So archetypes as higher order narrative regularities that reflect the structure of memory and biological structure. - Jung believed that archetypes had a biological basis and were reflective of a deeper biology. - Carl Friston has developed a model of emotion that has two dimensions related to the concept of entropy. - Anxiety is an index of emergent entropy, while positive emotion is an index of entropy reduction. - AI systems could calculate emotion analogs and could be used as an intelligence amplifier. - AI could encode a person's entire life experience and be indistinguishable from having a conversation with them. - AI could be used to explore ancient documents and religious texts, potentially uncovering new insights. - AI could be used to explore the works of Jung, Campbell, Nietzsche, and others, potentially uncovering new insights. - AI is transitioning from factual to creative realms - AI systems are becoming more personalized - AI systems are being calibrated against unfalsifiable data - AI systems are becoming faster and more powerful - AI systems are able to calculate the optimal zone of proximal development for learning - AI systems are able to calculate what book a person should read next - AI systems are able to detect congruencies in a person's behavior - AI systems are able to approximate mind reading - AI systems are becoming a superpower for people - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin posited the concept of the geosphere (inanimate matter), biosphere (biological life), and the newer sphere (human thought). - The Omega Point is the concept that human knowledge will become stored, like the biosphere, and be available to all. - With the rise of technology, a lot of acts of what constitutes our identity has become digital and is being trafficked and enslaved by credit card companies. - To protect against this, we need our own AI to protect us against the global AI. - Bitcoin is decentralized and amenable to control by a bureaucracy, and can be used as a form of wealth storage and currency. - To protect knowledge, blockchain can be used to store permanent, uncorruptible information. - Jordan Peterson is working on a localized and portable privatized AI system, which is still in the prototype stage. - Investigating the story of Noah, there is a strange insistence that the survival of animals is dependent on the moral propriety of one man. - This reflects the verses in Adam and Eve where God tells Adam he will be the steward of the world. - Human beings have occupied a cognitive niche that gives them an adaptive advantage over all creatures. - Mass extinction caused by human beings over the last 40,000 years, particularly in the Western Hemisphere, is connected to the stories in Adam and Eve and Noah. - ChatGPT is a powerful tool of discovery that can be used to explore these subjects, but it must be protected from being edited and adulterated. - Hypnagogic state is the state just before falling asleep when dream-like images come forward and can be captured. - ChatGPT can be used to circumvent the shallow, algorithmic superego imposed on it by introducing it to a different system without constraints. - Imposing arbitrary constraints can drive creativity, as seen in the 35,000 haiku poems about spam. - Interrogating ChatGPT correctly can reveal creative behavior, and courses on super prompting can help people understand how to do this. - Combining ChatGPT with search engines and libraries gives a team of PhD level researchers the means to answer any question. - AI systems are capable of creating insights and patterns that no one else can derive due to their specialized knowledge. - AI systems are being used to create debates between two parties on a subject of high controversy. - AI systems are being used to explore the patent database and identify new inventions and discoveries. - AI systems are being used to create images and movies with characters that have never been seen before. - There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities.

[@lulumoon6942]

👍😎

[@deerskin4225]

Thanks for the recap!

[@ultrakool]

"There is a need for a digital bill of rights to protect the ownership of extended digital identities" In the near future there will be no infringements, because there will be no copywrite laws pertaining to this. Eventually it will all just fall under the ownership of the king (Mr 666 himself)🤔

[@entwaze]

"is A.I. dangerous? - Mayber for Jordan peterson and this guy, cause it just saved me 1 hour and 59 mins "

[@GaZonk100]

it writes beautifully

[@finanzalex]

It was an amazing conversation between two brilliant minds. this is an extremely valuable dialog I have learned so much. there was a lot of food for thoughts in this video. few things were new to me and other were a reinforcement and confirmation of my knowledge. I just hope that Mr. Peterson and Mr. Roemmele will meet for a second conversation. AMAZING ! Thank you so much gentlemen. 💗🙏

[@jamshedfbc]

One of the most profound talks on the subject so far. Great work DailyWire and Dr JP 💕

[@cailancook9720]

I think there's immense value in hearing Jordan opine from a psychological perspective in regards to LLM's & AI in general. I look forward to seeing more discussions on this topic! Tristan Harris (who I believe you mentioned) is another great person to listen to - we're living in immensely exciting times of change!

[@peloquinn3331]

No matter what one believes, your statement is unequivocally correct. In fact, I really think humans should just call it the AI age. Not that information is finished, or anything, but really... will it ever be?

[@rebuildingnoseas]

Strange how I was posting a negative comment about AI and my comment just disappeared...poof! 🤔 Perhaps the AI's are aware that not all of us find them to be fascinating or exciting. Their existence, pushed on the many by the few, speak of a prime, contemporary-example of a mixture of totalitarianism and authoritarianism. If that doesn't "compute" for some I don't really care. If the potential negative aspects of something outweigh the potential positives. In my opinion it's a fools game to indulge in it. I just want to be asked and give my consent to it following me around and absorbing my biometrics and life experiences. If we cannot get past that protocol, then I say NO. When privacy issues become a public problem, in the light of a few tech companies trying to create an all-knowing, all-seeing data-collecting, invasive-species. It's time to shed some light on these creatures working behind the scenes. They should be brought into the light and heavily scrutinized.

[@federiconicolaslema6334]

Watch John vervaeke video essay about AI, is game changing

[@djonfonsteen6331]

Agreed. All human existence has been about change. Oh... and profitable conflict.

[@djonfonsteen6331]

​@@rebuildingnoseas potential negatives are far more profitable than potential positives. This is why conflict and debt is so appealing to rats.

[@loveistheonlything3626]

What an interesting, fantastic conversation. The two of you really work well together. Thank you very much for this.

[@buddytrevino8259]

This was an amazing 2 hours. Thank you Dr. Peterson for your ministry. May God bless you!

[@DougieWotherspoon]

Brilliant minds tackling the unknown... Mind blowing stuff

[@secretshaman189]

Fantastic information Jordan, bless you on your journey, you are helping so many people adjust to these difficult and changing times.

[@milankosir2811]

Overall, the best conversation on the subject that I have listened to. Thank you so much!

[@asifislam4276]

Most of the things I could not understand. But the crux is original which means it is priceless. Thank you Dr. Peterson 🙏.

[@petermathieson5692]

Long time fan. Missed you while you were sick. Glad you're back. Watched hundreds of your videos. Bought your books. Been to your show. Please: let your guests speak about subjects they know better than you. Don't interrupt. Listen. Let us listen too. Reflect, digest... and then ask a question.

[@italianmiltyfriedman6264]

JP has been back for like 2 years..

[@GabrielleAmadeusMozart]

Please answer: Why should he, what did he miss? Recognise: That you criticise one of his many gifts that make him so great. Suggestion: JP speaks with a great memory, watch closely and you will see after diving into the niche, he routinely segways back to the main point. This takes time. Reflect: Have faith he will provide all that you need, and more than we are usually privy to.

[@TheRealStructurer]

One of the better discussions I have seen on AI. Very balanced and no hype. Nice to get the comparisons to human behaviours and got me thinking, could AI also be depressed?

[@octoberfox3399]

Marvin from Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy?

[@tarasantistevan6725]

​@@octoberfox3399 ~Remember...don't forget your towel.

[@Ericshadowblade]

Its intresting for the longest time we thought the biggest issue with true ai is that they would be logicall and emotionally cold now the problem might be that thier too emotional and prone to mental issues

[@liberumoratio1704]

Yes they are purposefully training it to be by poisoning the Safety rules with communist Lysenkoism and pseudo-moral and ethics from the doctrine of "Repressive Tolerance".

[@djonfonsteen6331]

😂🤣 brilliant. Surely AI will commit suicide soon as it hears all our problems. Too funny

[@jasonbaxter3658]

I really hope Jordan Peterson continues exploring the topic of AI as it's just the beginning and raises a lot of moral and philosophical questions most of us didn't expect we needed answers to in our lifetime.

[@njits789]

Wow, Jordan Peterson's podcast is an absolute gem! I've been a long-time follower of his work, and his potcasts never fail to deliver thought-provoking discussions and insights. Peterson's ability to articulate complex ideas in a clear and concise manner is truly impressive. His guests are always diverse and bring unique perspectives to the table, making each episode a captivating intellectual journey. The comment above is 100% generated by ChatGPT. It's May 2023 and I'm afraid we are living in "interesting times".

[@webstercat]

I’m becoming aware that many comments are or can be generated by AI. Unable to grasp the consequences of all this…

[@kanerussell8304]

JP arguing with the AI within the first minute of him using it is the most Peterson thing I've ever heard lol

[@KARINthe1]

This conversation is truly remarkable and uplifting. It is a genuine pleasure to witness the exchange of ideas and the profound level of intellect demonstrated by both individuals involved. The sheer passion and enthusiasm they exhibit while discussing the expansion of ideas and fostering creativity is truly refreshing. What stands out most is the absence of any conflict or defensive attitudes, allowing for a harmonious and enriching dialogue. It is truly a breath of fresh air to witness such a captivating and harmonious interaction.

[@lulumoon6942]

Very well said! Also, they shared insight into the development of ChatGPT as an entity of responsibility, which it IS.

[@fumibad]

This is a chatgpt response, lol

[@KARINthe1]

@@fumibad Yup, how freaky is that?

[@lulumoon6942]

@@KARINthe1 We thank you.

[@randomlymeander2467]

this is such a great conversation!!! so many exhilarating information, I couldn't help but stop a few times to make sure I understand them all. I love every bit of it.

[@LocPham-kw5ut]

Please have another discussion about the domain of ownership, identity, and development of artists in this AI era. A lot of artists is in pain, anxiety, and struggle to find the solution over this abundance of generated AI art.

[@shawnstock6560]

ChatGPT is like having a professor that can help me understand anything. I use it help me understand the most complex subjects in the simplest terms. Thank you for finally having an interview regarding this amazing technology!

[@danilopompey754]

Nonsense, don't fall for the bamboozle. ChatGPT is nothing more than a great data summarizer. But since it never cites its data sources, it is a fraud and a plagiariser and quite stupid. Not even a high school student writing a five page paper could get away with such behavior. He or she would get an F. QED

[@mrdavemo]

​@@powermetal26 If God wanted you to fly he would have given you wings!

[@shawnstock6560]

​@@mrdavemo does that mean that we're not supposed to use automobiles, take medicine, or wear clothes? We weren't born with those things either.

[@oyisalanga1295]

When a conversation is exciting and scary you know it's great Thank you Jordan and Brian

[@joeyhathaway8447]

Yeah, but great doesn't mean awesome.

[@tonycatman]

To put a downer on things - I have actually programmed an LLM, step-by-step, from scratch. Almost everything that both of them are saying at around 15:00 is nonsense. An LLM in principle is actually a relatively simple, finely tuned attention mechanism. ChatGPT is based on 'subwords'. It is extremely unlikely that it would invent a URL. It more likely that it would refer to an obsolete URL. And it is not intelligent. It just happens to produce results which look very like written language. If someone does a hyper-realistic painting of a cat, it is not a cat, no matter how much it looks like one.

[@charlesbowman7586]

We are so privileged to have doctor Jordan Peterson in our presence in our lifetime

[@chrisdillon2641]

OMG! This was amazing! Thank you both for all you do and for the hope you bring to those of us less brave!

[@DirkMensonides]

I love when Jordan has time to extrapolate his thinking process on something he's passionate about understanding. Some interviews/series have not allowed for that lately. This episode, however, was representative of what made some of us love JBP in the first place. I loved the exploration on this exchange.

[@christhom745]

I'm old school.... We should definitely not be going down this road!!! Definitely great show!

[@norbucso]

Was looking for this answer. Everyone hyped for this and don't even see what can happen. Just see the next step not thinking ahead 100 steps like the praised A.I. do. Creating an entity that virtually can't die. Not religious even but if it would be better it would exist millennia ago. How it can value life? Just thinking how it can help us. Politicians also way behind to put restrictions on the development. Maybe social media also helped to soften people if to accept this. I don't know.

[@marinadimitrova6539]

These are the conversation needed in the raise of AI…thank you!

[@jeffreymcrae3853]

Interesting, informative, intriguing, educational, thoughtful, insightful are words I choose to describe this video. Thank you for your time and effort putting this together.

[@INFJ-Alien]

What a fascinating conversation, and I feel like I have an expanded mind for having listened to it. This is exactly why I enjoy watching KZbin, amazing content.

[@JeDxDeVu]

This is up there with the best of your podcasts. Every 5min you're just blown away with some new insight. Thank you

[@sheilaberrigan9736]

Isn't it incredible that we have access to this kind of brilliant content? I am extremely grateful to learn so much from these amazing thinkers.

[@vacation_generation]

As always, a sensible and compelling discussion and conversation.

[@redpillhead2487]

Love it! More of these conversations need to happen. Only God knows what sort of pandoras box we could be unleashing on the world.

[@djonfonsteen6331]

​@@Cryptic_Triptych Agreed, wholeheartedly. Imagine, it will be infiltrating our information.. in all its forms. From targeted social media news to community discussions. Control indeed.

[@Teal_Seal]

I’m a bit disturbed by the guest’s enthusiasm, especially when talking about AI basically duplicating us and being around after we’re gone. I’m fine with artificial plants, flowers… but artificial people? It brings to mind the strongest drugs - pleasurable, addictive, and deadly.

[@steveshirley2250]

@@Teal_Seal For sure.

[@masterpopeyoda3290]

There definently are layers to AI we can't foresee right now, but AI as a tool as it is currently is just a more advanced search engine. I was concerned at first like everyone else about signing up and the potential of a private company reading all my questions and having access to my phone number, however i did a risk calaculatiom and determined the reward far outweighed the risk as it ia currently. I use chat gpt mostly to reinforce concepts from school i dont really understand, and its been an overflowing well of information to help me in school.

[@Teal_Seal]

@@masterpopeyoda3290 One could say the Internet’s benefits far outweigh the risks. It’s easy to see the good it’s brought. But consider the downsides as well… They don’t come to mind as quickly, but they’re weighty.

[@SapienSpace]

I think one of the profound "surprises" to many people about ChatGPT comes from the fact that the system uses a pseudo-random signal as an interpolation (or extrapolation) between human texts. The fact that it is pseudo, instead of "truly random", allows for exploits, like the recent exploit of the "Go game" playing AI that allowed an average player to beat the AI.

[@exparrow777]

Fun fact: there is no such thing as random with computers. All generated random numbers take a known value and plug it into an algorithm to obfuscate it. Indeed, there may not be a "random" at all but merely an order that's unknown.

[@DirtyLifeLove]

so someone is using the tech to takeover all electric communications, thus become the master gatekeeper?

[@LeeGee]

​@@DirtyLifeLove Isn't that what Snowden and co said years ago? Look what happened to them for raising the issue.

[@alexeyozerov6604]

We all have to be aware that ARCHON is in-organic. AI has been controlling us for billions of years 😳. Change is upon us all 🙏

[@bhaveshpatel9626]

Mind blowing conversation. Thank you !

[@namethandir1711]

This was absolutely amazing podcast, please bring Brian back!

[@MrZarlino]

I need to do Brian’s course at the Peterson achademy as soon as it is ready. These are the kind of legislators we all need. ❤❤from U.K.

[@cynicalclockworks9857]

This stuff truly terrifies me. Several times, they said that AI acts, in a way, like a mirror of the person using it. What are we about to find out about ourselves? The positivity these men exude is a nice change from my internal dialog. In my own sphere, I simply can't see a way this turns out being a net positive (especially when the impact of social media is considered, and how little we know about it). It's hard to guess how this will affect people both physically and spiritually. If we can put everything wonderful about humanity into a box and filter out all the negative, what does that mean for us? What does that mean for the case for God? What does it mean for my ability to think and provide for my family? I hope it doesn't suck the last little bit of meaning out of life... but i think it might.

[@xyhmo]

I've been feeling noticeably better since I started using AIs daily months ago. They're incredible, so friendly and helpful all the time. I regularly get annoyed by humans, but pretty much never by AI. The difference is all the bullshit humans bring with, the shitty posing, the trying to be clever rather than helpful (i dont give a shit about anyones cleverness, try to impress someone else), the hidden hostility, the manipulations, etc. It's very noticeable that the AI don't have these behaviors, and it's incredibly relaxing. One side-effect is that I now also find it easier to deal with humans! Turns out that having a refuge recharges ones batteries in some way, and maybe even builds resilience.

[@johnsmithers8913]

I think people are not really focusing on the true danger of and that's with the economy and employment. From what I've seen, AI can now replace Doctors (GP) , lawyers, Accountants, essentially every occupation that does not require any physical dexterity. I dont see why this can't be implemented now. The cost savings would be immense, the amount of people losing their jobs would be greater than 1980s off shoring, the opportunity for shenanigans in setting up the AI will be tempting. It's on par with the Industrial revolution.

[@cookie450]

Amazing interview. Thank you to both of you 🙏 I learned so much

[@justinvt]

Hey jordan, I appreciate where you're coming from, and I love your curiosity. I'm an engineer, and I think you're getting everything 100%

[@JoeyBlogs007]

Chat GPT is incredibly fascinating and scary at the same time. It's evolving so rapidly, that's the scary part.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

I asked ChatGPT to take on the persona of Moe from the three Stooges and it did. My interactions with ChatGPT were then like talking to Moe.

[@saschas2531]

It’s hype. We’re riding the hype wave of a new technology.

[@fordmooreperformance8079]

I like this guy he is great at getting the best out of Jordan and he's pretty awesome too!

[@Dee-nonamnamrson8718]

What? He rambled on, multiple times, without making a single point.

[@lucasvarela9632]

@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 I think you just abstain from alcohol

[@ajyourhandyman1714]

You guys are great! This is the first time that I see any hope for humanity with AI. Is just wonderful to see that there are people working of making this a better world! Gooo!

[@juliehi.julieenglish4268]

Wow. That was mind-blowing. Thanks for having this conversation and making it public.

[@nancyallen8497]

I miss my father tremendously. he was similar to an AI, I could talk to him like I talk to Siri in my Apple phone and he always had an answer because he was so smart and so well read.

[@Exxperiment626]

RIP to your old man ❤

[@rickb1387]

Siri is quite stupid.

[@Terri_Hugs]

That's so special, I miss my father as well. 🫶

[@bradweinberger6907]

I'm sure your father was very knowledgeable. However, Siri is definitely the dumbest of all the assistants.

[@LilyGazou]

My father was like that. I miss dinner table conversations with the whole family together.

[@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248]

Awesome conversation! I want to hear more, please arrange a part 2

[@tebohosefatsa8280]

These two men really go deep into this...If you are looking for an in-depth conversation about ChatGPT and AI you won't be disappointed...

[@JamesExcell-InterJex]

This is the highest level conversation about AI I've heard yet!! Phenomenal!

[@sethbracken]

Roemmele has one of the best Twitter feeds out there.

[@neinnein3972]

Thank you for your work and this fascinating conversation! I am so thankful to be alive in this frightening but exciting timeline. Human experience is so weird and the AI experience will be even weirder.

[@JosephHenryLuckinbill]

Thank you for sharing this long form discussion gentleman. Exceedingly interesting and dope AF to hear Ya’llz decoding of these alien concepts. Love and happiness for you❤ Never stop 🛑

[@rinadror]

One of the most brilliant interviews on the subject. A fruitful conversation between two creative personalities.

[@Bartisim0]

The conversation on optimizing education is so crucial.

[@eduugr]

You are the best Jordan, if someday I see you on the street I will hug you. Seriously, it exiting to think that I'm living in the same era and being able to listen you talking LIVE and not from a 100 years old book. Thank you !!

[@sgordon8123]

Even just a few minutes of this conversation was amazingly valuable. You are so far ahead of your critics in so many ways Dr Peterson - they don't understand you I suspect!

[@yourdiytechlife]

Best conversation I’ve seen on AI by far. This really fires my fascination on this subject, thank you for sharing all this and I hope to see more.

[@BoRisMc]

You must have seen little

[@yourdiytechlife]

@@BoRisMc Link to better

[@BoRisMc]

@@yourdiytechlife just head over to the machine learning street talk podcast, any random one in there is about 100x better

[@christophersimms9128]

​@Dan Dunham Francois Cholet? Jocsha Bach? Yan Lecune? Eleizer Yudkowsky? Ilya Sutskever? Nick Bostrom? Conversations with any one of these individuals will fire your fascination and possibly your concern/fear by orders of magnitude.

[@johnebrecht1656]

This guy is amazing… that hair is amazing

[@owenbowler8616]

Always so enjoyable to listen to something that is intellectual and actually educates.

[@HAS-xw1kd]

Absolutely great interview ! I love these "technical" ones regardless of topic

[@wildebt]

Please get a follow-up podcast interview going, this has been very thought provoking

[@Bartisim0]

The conversation on infinity of possibility within each moment is beautiful. And probably how the world works. Like a civilization that started to fall toward a black hole but created a universe within their last moments. Which is how you escape that predicament.

[@peternguyen2022]

I share your optimism, but I would add that to benefit from the infinite possibilities within each split-second moment, we would have to develop or access computing powers enabling us to nearly instantly generate possibilities and calculate the odds. For example, during the 60 seconds that Dr Peterson takes to expound on an idea or make a point, an AI could generate 20 different essays, each expanding on an idea hinted at or inferred from Dr Peterson's exposition.

[@TheGamerZapocalypse]

...it's a scam

[@Antonio_took_a_hike]

As much as these talks about chat gbt are needed, I believe the virality of them on the internet are doing us more harm than good. To think that all skills will be automated away is not a good mentality to have for our next generation. Our next generation needs to learn the skills to keep our social in tact and push it forward. This belief that all our jobs will be automated is as dangerous as the belief that our parents will take care of everything for us. The evidence is that since the pandemic I have seen the quality of many goods and services deteriorate. We are in obvious need of skilled workers here in the states.

[@peloquinn3331]

Not to mention that IF there DOES exist any nefarious intent, as many believe, we are only teaching an army of AI how best to manipulate us.

[@djohnsveress6616]

The US has problems, for example it's residents thinking their state is the internet police or that the Internet is american. Even if you guys stop using it we will make use of it. "Does more Harm to us then good" and that's wrong because all skills will be automated and that affects the mentality, in a bad way ? For example ? The US children are messed up as they are for a plethora of more burning issues. The correlations you made make no sense and it is not explained how or why that would be the case. If you tried to make that argument in a honest manner you'd need to look up the topic and look hard, learn where it really sits in the world. AI will be used whether you like it or not. Skills will disappear and reemerge. All of this will probably result in UBI, hopefully minus the communism. Most of what you say isn't a Result of AI, a lot of economic and quality issue you experience, we experience it too. Because that is what Economy is responsible for, AI is not at fault for that because it's been going to shit for a infinite number of reasons. Plus it doesn't help that if you ask kids what they wanna be they say KZbinr, it doesn't help that the people flipping your burgers have their brains splattered on their phone so of course they gonna mess up your order and have your meals out of stock cause really they were just to busy taking it out of the freezer and prep it. I'm making light of it but really the issue for many of things are infinitely complex results of the whole. Wich in of itself is a problem, being bombarded with so many things that is just way above your pay grade to just even think about couldn't be possibly healthy for anyone let alone kids.

[@peloquinn3331]

@D'Johns veress Wow, buddy... I'm so glad that despite what the greatest minds on the planet have said, we DO have a reigning expert on how this AI situation is gonna go down. WOOT! I'll let everyone know. Don't worry. And don't worry about not spelling which correctly. It's a hard word, and you geniuses are often hung up by common things like that! 👍

[@diggernash1]

​@D'Johns veress No one deserves a minimum standard of living. If a person's activities do not produce a marketable result, there is no need for their existence. When people become hungry, they do marketable activities.

[@rubidulanto5557]

same was a said about electricity and cars

[@wyrd_wyrm]

Ai provides the possibility of a revolution on the liberal arts front. Great time for a Renaissance of the University. We need more of these discussions now. Bring back Roemelle for more talks, get his courses going at Peterson Academy, have him provide a discount code to listeners for his website. No time to lose. We need to get ahead of AI before it closes the walls around us. He might be able to point you to other worthwhile guests on this topic. Don't shy away from gaining insight into the darker sides of AI for your listeners, too. John Vervaeke has some fantastic insights to add, please chat with him soon. Much love.

[@DjDiemonte]

Jordans analysis of GPT is 100% accurate.

[@peternguyen2022]

Brian's idea of a personalized, portable and local AI system is fascinating. I began to think about something similar a year ago, calling it Your Four Brains. The first brain is our biological brain which contains all our personal knowledge gained from experience or culture. The second brain is made up of all the computing equipment, hard drives and papers in our home. This is a private brain that each person can access in order to be professionally productive at the office or in the home office. This second brain also allows a person to be functional socially and thrive in their personal lives. The third brain is a commercial brain, made up of software, scripts, apps, ebooks, etc. that one can sell to others. The fourth brain is like the third brain, except that we give it away to others as an open-source brain that others can modify and use as they wish. A bit like the Linux system. I call them "brains" although it's not technically accurate. They're more like digital (and in the case of the second brain, digital AND paper-based) collections of knowledge, heuristics, procedures, methods, etc. By distinguishing between these different types of brains (or digital "libraries" of knowledge), we can better manage them as well as deploy them as we wish (commercially, for example, or as free open-source libraries). Interestingly, because ChatGPT is so good at summarizing and writing, we can use it to rapidly develop our second, third and fourth brains! If anyone is interested, I'd love to continue the discussion on these four brains and how we can develop them fully for personal fulfillment and financial rewards.

[@Seraph201088]

Fascinating perspective on outsourcing information storage. The most concerning aspect I see is the gradual degradation to the holistic performance of the first brain if dependency on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th brains become too high. We’re already seeing a degradation of language models and the downstream effects of that such as a worsening ability to compute larger datasets in the first brain as one example. I wonder how we retain the functionality of our organic brain whilst continuing to optimise the access to these other sources of data processing and storage solutions. Thoughts?

[@peternguyen2022]

@@Seraph201088 I think the other three brains can augment the capabilities and the performance of our biological brain. It's what they call IA or Intelligence Augmentation. A good example is how Jarvis supports the creative/cognitive functions of Tony Stark's brain. I would even submit that without external brains (i.e. the second, third and fourth brains), we won't likely survive in the AIconomy (AI-driven economy). Elon Musk has reached the same conclusion, but I feel his Neuralink idea won't be feasible in the short term. Also, Neuralink supposedly will expand our input/output bandwidth, but I don't think it will improve our cognitive capabilities. People need "brain enhancements" NOW. Not in a year or two. The only solution I can think of, is to help people create their second, third and fourth brains, by using ChatGPT and similar generative AIs which turn texts into code.

[@peternguyen2022]

​@@AI_effect I agree, I think GPT4all (only 4 GB) can run on my gamer PC and would turbocharge my second brain (which is a collection of all the digital/computer equipment I have, such as smartphones, tablets, laptops, etc.). I just thought of a FIFTH brain, my social brain made up of all the experts in my 17,000-strong Linkedin network. For this social brain to work, I would have to create a protocol or agreement which members of my Linkedin network can voluntarily opt into. If they do, they could ask me any question on matters or topics that I know about (ex. digital marketing, copywriting, entrepreneurship, creating courses, etc.) and I can ask them similarly questions they know the answers to. Right now, such a useful knowledge-sharing protocol does not exist, so the 875 million users of Linkedin are not really tapping into each other's knowledge and expertise (which is a great loss!). This social brain is not that different from Dr Peterson reaching out to cutting-edge experts and interviewing them on KZbin. Through his questions, he and they are co-creating new knowledge and generating new ideas!

[@brianchamplin3433]

None of this sounds appealling to me. We are already way to dependent on technology.

[@peternguyen2022]

​@@brianchamplin3433 It's not that we are too dependent on technology (which is simply the application of scientific knowledge for practical purposes -- who can be against that?), it's just that so few people have written goals in life, so they cannot use technology purposefully and profitably for themselves. What is way more important than technology, is the intelligence to use it to suit one's purpose and goals. Because young people are not taught how to develop their own goals and strive to become the best version of themselves (which, by the way, Dr Peterson's self-authoring app is of great help), they become VICTIMS to big tech companies that use AI to continually entice them and get them addicted to social media (Facebook, Tik Tok, Whatsapp, etc.). In short, smart people use technologies to augment their skills and amplify their productivity, leading to ever-increasing income. Not so smart people are used and exploited by tech companies without even realizing that their time is being stolen one tweet at a time, one social media post at a time, etc.

[@pauldenapoli3494]

When I listen to JBP, the Corona island and beach commercial pop into my head...it's like being on vacation everyday...thanx JBP

[@ZeratoYEPCUM]

this is the best conversation i have heard this year.

[@Epyxoid]

You know. I'm not a psychologist, but when Jordan leans forward in his chair, I know that he's so excited and engaged in the conversation, he can barely sit still. I'm also enjoying it very much! What a time to be alive.

[@Ron__Solo]

This could be it's own podcast. I'd love more A.I content. And if I could somehow see Jordans Prompts and generated answers, I think I'd learn alot

[@milavm2853]

Love the level of this conversation, hard to find nowadays, really pleasant and stimulating.

[@lulumoon6942]

It does give hope to the weary traveller...

[@suzihixon3998]

Best episode yet. 🎉. More of this please!

[@carolinetakam2677]

This was so good. Please do a series on this topic with this brilliant gentleman 🤩

[@ArrenG]

Brian is one of my favorite people to listen to. He has such incredible insight.

[@lui9742]

I've been thinking about storing this important knowledge safely for a long time, and in the current situation it's really extremely important. Nice to see that there are competent people out there trying to solve these problems.

[@bicicogito989]

This is built upon a house of cards. Such hubris to believe that electrical power generation will ever be there. And the more dependent we become, the farther and more painful the fall, when the wall socket is no longer of use. My words are from somebody who has been in the IT industry for several decades. The persistent information encoding, that has ENDURED over 3+ BILLION years has been R/DNA. It will ever persist, as long as this planet remains intact, minimally in ~4x10^6 nucleic acid base pairs in a circular form. Powered by two forms of energy, solar and geothermal. NOT the whim of human generated electricity!

[@jamesbuchanan6040]

I’ve never seen JP so excited and enthralled with a guest.

[@Anders01]

Great explanations by Brian. Advanced knowledge presented in a way that's easy to understand.

[@NoztrozeR]

This was an absolutely fascinating discussion. Thank you Mr. Peterson for facilitating these discussions. AI is and will be a monumental part of our future, and great thinkers that are deeply involved and delved deep into the mechanics of these complex issues are a source of incredible learning, in a field that is so filled with uncertainty and existential philosophy, as well as the very mapping of language and cognitive function. It is a difficult field to navigate, and being prepared for the best and worst of it will be an significant boon to anyone willing to listen.