History of HeroQuest | MB & Games Workshop's Greatest Boardgame?

[@TheOneHoddToward]

Ah yes, the best game ever and anyone who says otherwise is wrong!

[@jordansorcery]

Well it’s hard to argue with the barbarian’s muscularity!

[@Zaphodox]

The best thing about heroquest is the heroquest!

[@keeganpenney169]

Broudsowd

[@Kyleology]

Overzealous fans like you are the exact reason I've avoided this game for so long.

[@TheOneHoddToward]

That, my friend, was a reference to a famous Heroquest video by BardicBroadcasts.@@Kyleology

[@steventaylor9962]

The best thing about Heroquest is that I finally own it! For those that didn't know this game is towards the top of my "Top 5 for things I missed out on growing up that I intend to rectify before I die list" I was 4 when it released, so while I knew of it because of the phenomenal commercial (Brode Swoad!) Wasn't able to play until an overnight at a friend's house when I was about 9-10. We played several games and I was blown away. As soon as I got home I told my parents all about it, and did everything in my power to convince them to buy it for me. Long and short was we were poor and there was no budget for it. So I gave up on it and moved on. Fast forward to my late 20's and a friend of mine tells me all about it. The history, expansions, US versus UK releases, his grail find at a dinky thrift store. All that excitement of my youth comes bubbling up and I start scouring for a copy. Complete copies that hadn't been thrashed were prohibitively expensive, and buying several thrashed copies to cobble together a complete set would still prove quite pricey. While I kept my eyes open, and checked back from time to time on 2nd hand markets, I had accepted that barring a miracle it was just not going to happen. Then Hasbro announces that they are remaking the game. All new sculpts, updated artwork, the works. But keeping the game mechanics basically untouched. And they are going a quasi Kickstarter to launch it. Meaning I can have a BRAND NEW copy with expansions (that sold for silly amounts of money mind you), plus brand new quests and minis! So my Christmas present from my wife was my pledge for this game. And now having it in my hand, it was worth the wait. The minis are sharp, artwork stunning, quality components, and there is so much content. I'm sure there are some Heroquest purists that take issue with stylization or some details within the updates. But to them I will say that I am finally getting to embark on an adventure 25 years overdue. So sod off! The best thing about Heroquest is that I finally own it.

[@jordansorcery]

Glad to hear you got your copy!

[@solarpanel9085]

I am 49 years old this year. When I was a teenager I was at a store looking at all the board games when Heroquest caught eye. The cover art was amazing! I flipped the box over and when I saw the contents I was instantly sold. I took it home and started painting the pieces right away. My friends and I loved the game until the day I got married and gave the painted game with all the expansions to my best friend. Last year Heroquest was reintroduced to the world and now I’m obsessed with painting the new pieces again. I even created two larger game boards and sent one back to my friend in Michigan. I love Heroquest.

[@jordansorcery]

It’s genuinely timeless!

[@Ribby00]

Amazing! ❤

[@sjoerdvandermeer9583]

This is the Lawful Good version of Bardicbroadcast's chaotic evil heroquest review. Lovely video. I've really been enjoying these deep dives into tabletop history.

[@jordansorcery]

Haha, that is very fine company! Really glad you’re enjoying the videos!

[@stephenneedham106]

Yeah me too, really great channel 👍

[@philipdutre5144]

Some years ago I picked up an original HQ from a charity shop. I donated it to my then 8-year old nephews. Several years later, they now run a D&D campaign. Mission accomplished.

[@jordansorcery]

A perfect gaming trajectory!

[@dysonraf]

I've said it a couple of times now but your videos are really well created. Amazing to think you're less than 20 vids in? This channel going to balloon if you keep this content level up 👏

[@jordansorcery]

I am always happy to hear such a fine compliment! Here’s to the next 20 videos!

[@rp7155]

Agreed!

[@brucemcbain3150]

The best thing about Heroquest is this video of the History of Heroquest!

[@jordansorcery]

You’re too kind!

[@Garbleflitz]

This is fantastic. As a huge hero quest fan I’m loving this video. Thanks for all the effort put in.

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! I’m just glad it was worth it!

[@chrismcknight7164]

I got my copy of HeroQuest for £5 from WH Smiths when they mispriced them (was supposed to be a lot more). My mum argued with the manager until he gave in!

[@L.O.S.T.YOUnited]

⚔️ 🤗 🎲 🔝 🆒 Retro-Cult-Game 💯 🥰 💎 😉 ⚔️

[@anotherzingbo]

"They may not be the best thing about HeroQuest" - I see what you did there! 🤣 I actually own one of the air elemental from that set of Citadel elementals and after ~30 years of ownership I finally painted it up this year. To be honest it's far from being the most impressive of miniatures, and today it is particularly underwhelming given how powerful elementals were in Warhammer Fantasy Battle, seeing as it looks a bit lost on a 40mm base and is shorter than a Primaris space marine. Still it's nice to own a little bit of Warhammer history. Despite coming to the hobby in 1989 I'm not sure I ever played more than one game of HeroQuest. I do recall playing some sort of homebrew "game" made up by a friend that had us moving his RTB09 Terminator Squad miniatures around the HeroQuest board plus at least one other board from some random boardgame, ah the fun times to be had when nobody really knows what they're doing but everyone wants to play with the stompy soldiers with big guns and power fists!

[@jordansorcery]

The scale creep over the decades has definitely undermined the stature of a lot of older minis. I just love the shape and character of those designs! Some of those early games were we all just made up the rules were great fun!

[@BecauseOfDragons]

I never played HeroQuest back in the day but I found a copy of the original game in a charity shop a few years ago for £2.50. I wasn't sure it had all the stuff in it to begin with but got it home and it turned out, all there! Played a couple of games with friends to have the experience and whilst other dungeon crawler adventure games do stuff better nowadays (rolling to move...nooooo), there is a neat charm to the game and definitely one that I'll crack out more and more.

[@jordansorcery]

£2.50! Absolute bargain! There’s definitely been plenty of innovations and advancements since, but I agree about that old school charm. Plus the nostalgia is strong!

[@craigdavidson5613]

Well, I found a copy of HeroQuest for $4AU at a local charity shop. It was missing a few pieces, but I was able to rectify that problem by getting a more complete set of the game from a local antique and curio shop for $18AU. I combined both contents into a single set, and now I pride myself for having it. I also own copies of Space Crusade and Battle Masters, so I have the complete range of MB/GW games. Lucky!

[@edwilson5727]

Fully painted a set of HQ was a great infection vector for a generation and i'm happy to say one i've used to bring the next generation into the worlds of adventuring and beating up monsters to nick their stuff

[@benjaminrennicke]

I play HQ with my 5 year old daughter. She loves it and plays as the mage. She knows all spells by the images! Passing walls, healing, sleep.. :D

[@jordansorcery]

That's so sweet. It is really lovely to think that this game which was so influential to so many of us has gone on to be something shared with the next generation as well. Awesome stuff!

[@gon-gameworld-collection]

Now should come the fail of the d&d boardgame from 2004 that should the heir of heroquest but failed.

[@jordansorcery]

The D&D Fantasy Adventure Boardgame actually came up during my HQ research as I believe Richard Borg worked on the unreleased US expansions before going on to write the Forbidden Forrest for the D&D game which may have shared ideas. Just couldn’t 100% confirm any of that unfortunately!

[@gon-gameworld-collection]

@@jordansorcery yes i got that german video spot. There was also a homepage with interactiv stuff where ppl get extra cards and monster, tiles als bonus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbYqoCBqNyqetU

[@jordansorcery]

That’s pretty cool. And looks very HeroQuesty in that commercial!

[@jeffholt9437]

Er Jordan, try storing the game along the long edge (.......?). Also, the furniture IS the best thing about HQ - ask the Witnesses who visited the Bard's House!

[@jordansorcery]

I’m sorry, no shelving unit can contain the power of the game! Very good point!

[@MerlinsBeard]

It’s defo Christopher Lee in that advert 🧛‍♂️😀

[@jordansorcery]

I’ve heard a few other suggestions, but Lee is my bet too. It just seems impossible to verify!

[@DungeonGamers]

Being a big Hammer Horror fan it does sound like Lee to me - Also in the late 80’s his career was a lot quieter and with the budget being so large for the advert I imagine they would have easily been able to hire him. Which is great because the advert is even more brilliant. Reminds me of Labyrinth 😀

[@deusdiggerdiary2056]

A masterclass good sir. Like you, I was introduced into this hobby via HeroQuest. Then Space Crusade, Advanced Heroquest, Space Hulk and WFB. I just wish I'd picked up Warhammer Quest. It's nigh on impossible to find now and I refuse to part with a kidney to afford one. I'm currently working on an Advanced Heroquest project so I'm really looking forward to your video on that. Keep up the great work.

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! I made a terrible mistake and got rid of my complete Warhammer Quest set years ago. Then spent the last few years buying it again part by part to avoid the mega price tag!

[@JJtoutcourt]

As a kinda game designer myself, I sure know that the look of a game is a lot more important that one would think of. For heroquest, the carbox furnitures, doors, and Citadel Miniature minis were maybe even more important than the rules which are... clumsy. on gameplay, Heroquest is my least favourite among the 3 MB/GW games. Yet I sometime play it again with friends. Actually the american version may have indeed corrected those gameplay weakness ! gotta look for this version someday ^^ As for my personnal, best thing I recall from HeroQuest is a moment where, one of the characters was struggling with an orc, the dwarf comes in the room, and instead of attacking the orc, decides to search for treasures and happens to find another orc xD

[@nesbe3174]

You JS are quickly becoming one of my favourite Warhammer Historians. keep up the great work mate :)

[@benfletcher9659]

I had this as a 9-11 year old. Had all the expansions and event got Advanced HeroQuest and was starting to get into Warhammer Fantasy. However about 1991, my interests changed to a Sega Megadrive. I never did anything like it again, although I sometimes would go into a Games Workshop every couple of years, mostly in the 2000's when Lord of the Rings was big. Recently I have got back into it after 33 years and have just purchased the new HeroQuest game. Once thing I like is the advances with 3D printing.

[@taylora8845]

AWESOME and well researched video! It's too bad that Milton Bradley wanted to market the game with such a narrow age 10 to 12 window, as it appealed to people much older also. (Thankfully it was "technically" inclusive with older folk, with the "10 to adult" descriptor.) Weirdly though, there seems to be no record anywhere of the MONTH of the game's release, (just listing 1989 in Europe or 1990 for the U.S version.)

[@joshuawamback3574]

I have attempted to research every aspect of this game, but even so, your video has revealed a few more secrets. Thanks for the great content!

[@jordansorcery]

Glad I could uncover a few extra facts! Thanks for commenting!

[@josephjustice4553]

This game (and reading the Lotr books) is responsible for my obsession with fantasy and Warhammer. 😊

[@godofzombi]

I wonder who was the kid that said Fire of WROTH!

[@keepcalmandre-roll5480]

This is fascinating, especially the info about who created Heroquest. Good research dude :)😊

[@jordansorcery]

Glad I was able to bring some more stuff to light; I was surprised by some of the research, but that’s often the way! Thanks for watching!

[@Uberdemon0666]

I knew a fellow magic user would catch the cunning ruse that the Gargoyle is a Bloodthirster in disguise! Loved this video! Keep up the fantastic work! -Ghul Drahtz Necromancer Extrodinare

[@jordansorcery]

It takes trained eyes like ours!

[@jebstuart4004]

If we talk about rules, i prefer Advanced Heroquest. There IS really no limits to it, but seriously, the content of the box is so poor regarding MB game that i hate GW and their lazyness. In old white dwarf magazine, the quests are really nice anyway ( the Temple of pleasure rocks 👌). I would like you to explain why the fimirs never made it ? Thanks a lot

[@robbyv101]

How did you do a deep dive of HQ and not once mention "brode sode" ?!

[@jordansorcery]

A regrettable oversight!

[@6Stevo]

The best thing about HeroQuest is getting videos like this. Wow! What a video. Best one yet. Space Crusade next please. 👌

[@jordansorcery]

Cheers Stevo! Already got you covered - Space Crusade video is live! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXymgZ5orqlqgpI

[@6Stevo]

@@jordansorcery YES!!

[@6Stevo]

Ah yes of course you did! I have already watched it and commented. Lol

[@brenthartman502]

Storage for box size... with Spcae Crusade .. yeh - The we got BattleMasters .. LOL 😄😆

[@stephenoshea3471]

Great video (again) This was the most potent of gateway drugs - I'm still at it 30 years later!

[@jordansorcery]

It hooked me too!

[@MrLinindoll]

I’m going to share the $#!+ out of this video!

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! Really appreciate it

[@Larry]

Gremlin also developed a HeroQuest game for the NES, it was finished, but never released. the ROM was found a few years ago and some official repros have come out since.

[@jordansorcery]

Oh wow, that’s cool! I’d not seen that - HQ always a few more hidden treasures!

[@MisterSamShearon]

I don't believe that's Christopher Lee... just doesn't have his accent.

[@MrLinindoll]

One minor correction, when discussing The Mage of the Mirror’s elven warriors and elven archers, you say that they “can support you” in the game as if they are a variation of the men-at-arms, but the eleven archers and Warriors are actually monsters - evil elves that are there to support the big bad mage! Also Tsuequest has never shipped. Gamezone miniatures are only lying crooks. Don’t go looking for that game. Don’t give them a single cent.

[@jordansorcery]

Ah no! Missed my fact check on that one! Will add a note to the description so that I’m not unaccountably peddling falsehoods! That’s disappointing about TsueQuest - Gamezone looked dodgy, but I didn’t realise they hadn’t even delivered anything!

[@pokemonmandag2108]

that was a good 43 minutes of video 😎👍

[@thomaskissel9126]

It's so funny because I remember playing this game as a kid with my brother, sister, and my mom's then husband. I had a lot of fun playing it and when I found it on Amazon I bought it to play with my kids. Thank you for such an in depth look into not only the history of the game but everything surrounding it too. Fantastic job

[@jordansorcery]

That’s awesome, I love that this game from childhood is now being passed on to the next generation too. Incredible legacy for Stephen Baker and the others behind such a great game!

[@skankhunt3624]

Slightly too pricey,

[@Zebix]

34:45 Interestingly enough, the art of the Screaming Spectre cover is the exact same as the one from the quest book of Wizards of Morcar. The image has been truncated and we only see, on the right, the tip of the Storm Master's staff but they're all there indeed. Excellent video, thanks for your in-dpeth investigations, you are an epic hero who just got a new subscriber! ;)

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! And great spot on the art re-use, they definitely liked to get their money’s worth!

[@Einstei8]

Thank you for your informative video! Superb job!

[@PompeyGamesRoom]

Loved this buddy, new to your channel 🙂

[@o0krazyboris0o]

Lovely vid, thank you so much. Subscribed 😊

[@jacobturnerart]

I'm sure my copy still lives in my parents' attic, though I fear most minis were lost to misguided kitbashing - ditto advanced Heroquest.

[@jordansorcery]

No kitbash is misguided! But I know the regret of getting rid of it otherwise loosing some of the HeroQuest set - mine got totalled and I had to rebuy it!

[@mattl_]

Thanks! Please set up a Patreon :)

[@jordansorcery]

Thanks so much, really appreciate the support! I’ll take a look at Patreon!

[@MiniatureRealms]

This was my gateway to Games Workshop gaming, making the connection between the Games Worksop logo on the box and in a White Dwarf in WHSmith, was the reason I’m a wargamer now. Another awesome video, learnt so much I didn’t know about the game.

[@jordansorcery]

It was the ultimate first step on a long hobby journey! Still love HQ!

[@CactusJackIV]

I love HeroQuest! My closest friend and I would play every Friday night, he would "DM" and I would play at two characters. HeroQuest got my friends and I into D&D years later.

[@jordansorcery]

HQ was the perfect stepping stone to traditional RPGs - a proper gateway!

[@musashidanmcgrath]

Brilliant content, mate. Heroquest holds a very special place in my heart. My introduction to the hobby was melting down lead in the kitchen, unsupervised(perfectly normal back then :D), at age 9, to fill Prince August molds that we used to swap.....but when I got Heroquest for Christmas it changed everything. Of course, this led to a life-long obsession with the Warhammer world, and ultimately my passion today working professionally as a miniature sculptor. I often wish I could see my 9 year old face if I went back in time and told me that 'when you grow up' your job will be creating and painting your own miniatures. It would have seemed more fantastical than the fantasy realms themselves... :D So, thank you Heroquest, for inspiring my life-long love and passion for miniatures.

[@MisterSamShearon]

This was GREAT! Really enjoyed this - There was a LOT I didn't know! Thank you Jordan!

[@jordansorcery]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@chromenewt]

Advanced HeroQuest took so much of my young life. I ended up expanding the solo rules in it to the extent I ended up being a TTRPG night of only one member, every night. I blame AHQ for developing into the forever GM I am today after almost 3 decades.

[@EnDungeoned]

Excellent!

[@darryll4049]

Amazing trip through my childhood. Thank you for the fond look back of christmas and family fun. Amazing job Jordan. Well done.

[@jordansorcery]

My pleasure, thank you for watching!

[@atonuts44]

This is an amazing vid. I didn't know the books or the comics existed so thank you!. I' only found your channel recently but it's rapidly becoming one of my favorite's! Thank you for producing these!

[@jordansorcery]

My pleasure! I had one of the books, but the comic was news to me too! I’ve added a link to a full online copy in the description if you want to check it out!

[@stuartbarrett7585]

Really good vid thanks for the info

[@jordansorcery]

My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it!

[@chipboy3108]

Thank you for this.... Brilliant... and so Watchable... i applaude your effort and research. Im OLD and actually have an orginial version of the Game... But unlike the iconic Subbuteo... ( Flicking little plastic figures was ... Enjoyment ??) never really actually managed to play it properly... ( With my Friends ?..Subbuteo won...)....However , Have VERY much enjoyed your productions and your look into the GW Past... I think i have close to a METRIC ton of white metal figures and some boxes in the loft of WHITE DWARF publications... Wondering if you are any relation to " ThePeckishFox" on "twitch" (Streamer...Does Mini Painting etc etc) ... ??? Keep it going sir whatever ... Really Enjoying it.. and Longer Vids are Better IMHO... Thankyou Again...

[@jordansorcery]

Ah the old battle vs Subbuteo and the other ‘accessible’ board games that friends often preferred! At least we managed to find our way to the hobby eventually! No relation to PeckishFox, but I’ll certainly check them out! And thank you fir the kind words, I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the videos - they’ve been a lot of fun to make and share, but it’s especially nice that people have liked them too!

[@im160bpmplus]

Thanks for the vid i loved it.. HQ is and always will be the best game ever made

[@denislamielle4183]

Great video , thx for the work, bravo pour l'immense travail. Salutation de la Suisse d'un fan de Heroquest

[@jordansorcery]

C'est mon plaisir! Merci beaucoup

[@jonathan2950]

Great video, thank you. I really enjoyed this and your Space Crusade video. I’m going to go on to your Warhammer Quest videos now. And I look forward to your ‘History of’ videos for Space Hulk, Advanced HeroQuest, Talisman, Dungeonquest, Blood Bowl, Man O War, Dark World, Epic 40k…. (Yeah I’m just listing my favourite games now).

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you for the comment! Some of those are definitely on my list for this year!

[@pforson]

HeroQuest was my entry into the miniature hobby. I always played as the Dwarf. This led to WFB and literally hundreds of Dwarfs. To this day I have 2 complete and painted WFB Dwarf armies (one plastic, one metal) as well as a Dwarf army for KoW and a 12mm Pendraken Dwarf army. My wife doesn‘t understand the obsession! 😅 Thanks for the fun video!

[@jordansorcery]

My pleasure! That’s great, it’s amazing how much these classic games can imprint on our psyche and inform game and army choices for decades! I respect your commitment to the ancestor gods!

[@lewisjardine3624]

Minor correction, it was "Moon Design Publications" and in evidence for Greg Stafford's comment, HeroQuest was advertised as as coming "next year" in the back of the RuneQuest 2 rules (published by GW) sometime around 1981...

[@jordansorcery]

That's very good to know, thanks! The timeline was tricky to keep straight with all the parties involved!

[@fusoya6544]

@ 31:00 - The artwork by Terry Oaks for the unknown 1990 expansion very closely resembles the cover box art for "Adventure Design Kit" expansion released in the UK in 1990. The box was Navy Blue and the same size as KK / ROTWL expansions.

[@jordansorcery]

I think that's a good shout - I revisited it after putting the video out and a lot of the composition is similar to, with the same setting as the Les Edwards piece so it feels like it could have been the original cover for the kit. Strange that it would be the only one they commissioned another artist for though, and stranger still that Edwards ended up doing the cover anyway!

[@1977Eelco]

Still have "Hero Quest" and two of the expansions: "Keller's Keep" and "Return Of The Witch Lord". I don't have the expansion pack "Against The Ogre Horde" and even further expansions. Have painted all the figures myself :) Too bad I haven't played the game for more then 25 years :S

[@jordansorcery]

They are beautiful sets to have in the long term collection in any case! Though they look even better when you can get them back on the gaming table!

[@davidcook73]

Keep them coming Jordan!

[@jordansorcery]

Will do!

[@theminer49erz]

I still have most of the one I got as a kid as well as one my friend had making nearly 2 full sets. I also ended up getting return of the which lord and kellers keep at a Kiddie City years later as it was going out of business. Over the years I lost the boxes of the expansions and in like 2004 I bought both unused for next to nothing on ebay. I also then tried to piece together the other expansions. I even got a complete unused Hero Quest Advanced and the creation kit. I got all of the expansion parts except for one rare figure. I have seen it for sale for WAY too much in the UK many times. However a few years ago I got a 3D printer and made my own! Lots of cool custom Hero Quest figures,mods for them, and solid plastic furniture/tiles/etc. .still files in thingiverse BTW!! All that said....I haven't played it in over 25 years lol. There is a free app that acts as the "DM" that I got but haven't tried. Apparently it is buggy, but whatever. Also I did get a copy of the PC game and a CD with printable tiles and tile editor. Not sure if it is legit or not, but it's still awesome! This November I went to a game stop for xmas shopping and while in line I saw they had remakes of both Return of the Witch Lord and Kellers Keep....I guess my unused ones jist lost some "value" lol. I may pick them up though so I can use them without punching my OG ones. Maybe they will be on clearance soon, but of it picks up and they sell out, thats cool too, as it means more people are playing. I have been thinking about trying to get a group of people together soon now that table tops and D&Dtm(lol) is getting popular apparently. Anyway, fun times! Thanks!

[@jordansorcery]

An epic tale of collecting! There’s a few games I’ve had like that - just building up the collection through the years even if I don’t still play the game - sometimes the collecting and pouring over the sets/books is awesome on its own! Bet those unpunched sets have gone up in value even more since the reissue!

[@stevethenorthernsonstorie1406]

Have two complete copy's any Takers...Love Hero's Quest don't think with out HQ I would have never started painting Min's I'm Sure of that...!

[@jordansorcery]

It was the perfect intro to the hobby!

[@nigelagilebear]

Playtesting is an act of game design not an act of quality assurance. So I am not surprised that Ansell regards GW's extensive playtesting and revisions therefrom as co-design.

[@jordansorcery]

Fair point!

[@Tulkash01]

In WHFB there are 2 Morkars. The first ever chosen of Chaos, felled by Aenarion, the first Phoenix King of the High Elves and another ever chosen of Chaos, defeated by Sigmar, barbarian founder of the Empire prior his ascension to godhood…

[@jordansorcery]

GW love to reuse or reference names again and again, it’s one of things I love about their worlds! Makes them feel very rich and interconnected

[@revylokesh1783]

"Ye" is pronounced "The". The "Y" is a substitute for "þ" which is the old letter "thorn". Classic blunder...

[@jordansorcery]

Fair point!

[@stalker1983]

You should be ashamed Jordan Sorcery, here I was thinking I was done going into massive rabbit holes and then your channel shows up.....seriously dude I cant stop watching your stuff XD

[@jordansorcery]

I can only apologise!

[@JuniperMe]

Just found you via recommended, and as you recommended, checked out Space Crusade first, then I'm back here. Awesome vids! Now I'm off to Warhammer Quest land! Look forward to an in depth Advanced HQ video if you do one. I have the core box but haven't been able to convince anyone to play it with me lol. I've had so many copies of vintage HQ pass through my hands since I was a kid, your hand me down, or stole depending who you ask description probably describes my first set haha. Had a bunch of sets i combined from garage sales etc, then a step parent kept them all, booooo. A friend gave me their copy they didnt want later in life though which I've played with the kids a bit, now have the re-releases I need to bust out! I still remember (in Australia) seeing a wall of clearance Ogre Horde and Design kit sets for $10 each, the ogres are awesome, definitely got me interested in classic GW Ogres at the time. Not a huge fan of the current models though.

[@jordansorcery]

I'm glad you've been enjoying the videos! I'm the same, so many sets have come and gone when I've thought I was over it, and then lo and behold I become desperate to own it again - truly timeless in my opinion!

[@diamondsmasher]

I always credit HeroQuest for getting me into RPGs and video games like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Gloomhaven, etc. The major downside is while my friends and I have fond memories of this game, it was never “fun”. Zargon easily overpowers the heroes, so that player has to hold his punches most of the time to allow the Heroes a chance to succeed. I find current games like Gloomhaven, Midarra, etc. solve this better through automaton scripting.

[@jordansorcery]

It definitely benefits from a "GM" style approach for the evil player, and totally get what you mean - there are many games that have refined the fundamentals over the years - it's left a great legacy!

[@JO-uy6zs]

What about Dungeon Quest from GW? Huge influence on Hero Quest.

[@jordansorcery]

Very good question! Stephen Baker never mentioned Dungeon Quest in interviews, just D&D and Talisman as key influences, but you're probably right - it seems unlikely that DQ didn't at least influence the GW design team to some extent

[@girthfulthrust]

I bought Wizards of Morcar with my saved-up pocket money, straight off the shelf in my local Toyworld in New Zealand.

[@jordansorcery]

Oh nice! The various sources I consulted had NZ and Australia missing out on some expansions, but from the comments it does seem like that info was wrong - plenty of you managed to score the extra sets!

[@alfje5492]

The best thing about HeroQuest is ... well, everything really! Love this game, even though StarQuest/Space Crusade has always been my favourite!

[@jordansorcery]

It’s always a tough choice between the two, and often depends on my mood! But it’s hard to argue just how influential HQ has been over the years!

[@djpandemic369]

Difficult to read through all of the comments to see if its been mentioned but the Australian KK & ROTWL are identical to the UK versions (Quest Book and art-style) except the box is a stronger 2 piece (using the same art as the UK version).

[@jordansorcery]

I’m jealous, the UK boxes barely stand up to a light breeze!

[@TomiTapio]

Thanks man, extremely #bedtimelistening video, very sleep inducing

[@jordansorcery]

Sleep inducing in a good way I hope!

[@garysmith6218]

Imagine if those North American character expansions were released today - you'd have a load of absolute weirdos on the internet screaming about how HeroQuest had gone "woke" for including female versions of the heroes. Great video and channel BTW. Have yourself an engagement.

[@jordansorcery]

I had the same thought, sadly there’d likely be a vocal few who were unhappy and threatened by it. Thanks, glad you’re enjoying the videos!

[@narwhalcheese]

The 'what about meeeeeeee' chaos model always reminded me of Arkon Stormrider from the 1982 Speciality Set 1 - Champions of Chaos

[@jordansorcery]

That’s a great shout, I think you’re spot on there!

[@lojakz]

After watching this and the first part of your Advanced HeroQuest series, I'm impressed with your videos, and I'm thrilled I found your channel. Table Top history is a considerable interest of mine, and it's great to get the background and story from a different perspective than I'm accustomed to (being in the US). Kudos to you for putting together such informative well, crafted videos.

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! Appreciate you watching and commenting on them! I really enjoyed making those Warhammer Quest videos, so much history (and a fair amount of nostalgia!) that went on to inform me as a gamer, but still holds an important place in Games Workshop history I think. Hopefully the videos I've got coming up this year are just as interesting!

[@lojakz]

@@jordansorcery I've finished watching the Warhammer Quest series, and it's been fascinating. I'm excited to see what you have in the pipeline. I know a lot about the ins and outs about DND and a few other TTRPGs, but very little about Games Workshop history, even though I'm a little familiar with the settings and the lore. Keep up the fantastic work!

[@theblunder1983]

I never liked The Trial. It’s partially because I grew up with the maze and partially because I feel it throws far too many monster types at you robbing you of the excitement of running into them later

[@jordansorcery]

I think that’s totally fair, it is chock full of them so that’s a good point about almost spoiling later encounters. I think the quest itself is a good concept, but would be happy with a scaled back map of monsters

[@JamesMartin-bc8xq]

Wow as amazing, I still have my hero quest plus all the expansions, the comic book , and the 1st novel too, which was awesome. I couldnt bring myself to buy the new one, as I still play the original and I just don’t like the new art work or themes. It would have been great to of had the US expansion in the uk.

[@jordansorcery]

Sounds like a mighty collection, you’ve done well to keep it together! Like a fool I got rid of a lot of mine years ago so had to diligently re-collect it all over the years!

[@TrentRosenbaum]

I was in the space crusade camp myself and didn't realise that there were so many expansions and differences across the world. Those puzzles were pretty cool along with the books. Can't wait for those videos you suggested in this one. It's really great that you took time to make this one and yes those adverts were amazing to see back in the day ,👍

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you for taking the time to watch it and comment! The puzzles were a fun find, especially because Les Edwards’ art is just so great!

[@michaelmitchell2123]

Excellent research! I always wondered exactly how the IP was managed, the market agreements and the share of profits / revenues/ payments actually worked, as that could have been hugely messy….

[@jordansorcery]

Thank you! I think you're probably right, seems like there were a lot of moving parts behind the scenes over the years. Which is why its almost surprising that we even got the 2020 reissue! The same thing seems to affect the Space Crusade licence, which makes me think it's unlikely we'll see a new version of that any time soon, sadly.

[@mikeoyler2983]

I live in Germany and recently saw the reprint edition of the base game now going for €120. I am glad that my memories are for free and my family paid significantly less for such things. Though, calculating for inflation that still seems like it is two or three times more expensive than it was back in 1990.

[@jordansorcery]

The retro market has definitely seen prices surge in recent times. I'm not sure if it's just a lot of us who played the games on first release wanting to buy back the nostalgia or just general market trends, but it makes the hobby an expensive one these days!

[@alessandrosantopietro2234]

Thank you for this great video Jordan. Heroquest is a wonderful game with a wonderful history. I was lucky enough to play it in the early 90's with my childhood friends (although I got my copy just a few years ago) and even here in Italy it soon became the dream of every single child for Christmas. I am so happy that Hasbro decided to reissue it and it will be interesting to see if they're going to realize even the missing dwarf and wizard expansion packs together with the new ones (e.g. rise of the dread moon). I knew about Ye old Inn's great job and It's simply amazing to think that... after so many years we are still talking about this game, no matter where we come from or in which country we grew up.

[@jordansorcery]

It really is isn’t it! I guess it’s testament to just how good a job they did making the game that we’re still researching and talking about and playing this wonderful game!

[@robertdanker6193]

Really great video!! Very thorough, I learned alot! I missed out on this game back in the day when I was a kid, but really wish I would have played it. I would love to try it now..but I don't have anyone to play with!😄👍

[@jordansorcery]

Glad you enjoyed the video! I struggled to find suitable opponents back in the day - my older brothers mostly refused to play with me!

[@firehrt]

Quick note. We definitely did get Wizards of Morcar here in New Zealand. I got a set as a wee boy. It is possible that it was imported, I guess, but I remember them on the regular shelves in our local small town toy shop.

[@jordansorcery]

Info online was pretty patchy about it, good to get it confirmed!

[@michaelbrandt5416]

I bought this game years ago because it was on sale at under half price. Never played it...just gathering dust. One look at the rules had me run for cover. Maybe one day i will give it a try...maybe!

[@jordansorcery]

It’s a very fun game if you can get into it! It especially benefits from nostalgia for me, but I think it still holds up as a family intro to dungeon crawling!

[@marcusanimation100]

The good guy was called Magnus and the bad guy, Morcar. I remember getting a chill playing this game as a kid, when I realised their names were an anagram of mine! 😱

[@jordansorcery]

That is fun!

[@Felem23]

Great stuff! next stop -> BattleMasters!

[@jordansorcery]

It’s on the list!

[@pirtrom11]

here is a question.. MB first made Heroquest. MB and Avalon Hill are both owned by Hasbro. so why did the new Heroquest come out under Avalon Hills name and not MB

[@jordansorcery]

A very good question! It seems that Hasbro decided to close down the entire MB brand around 2009, so there haven’t been any new MB Games in a decade. I do wonder why they went with the Avalon Hill brand over their umbrella Hasbro name though. Perhaps to do with marketing and target demos?

[@TheInsaneupsdriver]

Me and my friends played the shit out of this, then a few years later my one buddy made his own version using large chart paper, something like the game of life with no ending, and cards for equipment, Characters, scenarios, magic, and the likes. we played this even more.

[@jordansorcery]

I remember making up all kinds of house variants and brand new games with my friends - we used to be so creative, not sure where that went!

[@illannoyed9431]

I fondly remember the first time one of my friends used the spell “Pass Through Stone”. We were all convinced that he was cheating!

[@jordansorcery]

Ha, I can completely believe it! Magic really felt like game breaking stuff back then!

[@2ero2nin3]

Watching now.. You better mention bardicbroadcast at somepoint!! 😺

[@jordansorcery]

Not by name but there’s a little nod in there!

[@mazubahtender]

I was joking with my mates about putting the modern Bloodthirster mini on one of the old 40mm square bases like the rest of my Bloodthirsters, so I can use him in Fantasy if I want to. But now I wanna see you put it on the tiny bisquits that are appropriate size for HeroQuest.

[@jordansorcery]

He’ll look like chaotic angel dancing on the head of a pin!

[@traewatkins931]

As an older brother I guarantee you stole them. Also, I may be in the minority but I prefer the furniture from OG heroquest over the new solid plastic furniture.

[@jordansorcery]

Ha, I’m certain all you older brothers compare notes! I actually agree on the furniture - I’ve not spent a lot of time with the new stuff, but there’s a certain magic to those old book cases and treasure chests!

[@warface4881]

Cool video. My son and wife both want to play the barbarian so that's how we are playing. With just two heros I half all the monsters and round up, so if there are 5 goblins in the map now there are 3 also I award more treasure for like empty book cases. My 11 year old son is all about that treasure!

[@jordansorcery]

Ha! That's fun, and I love how you've found a good solution; always knew MB should have put more than one barbarian in the box though!

[@GhostGuitars]

another fantastic video. LOVED this game as a kid we had the first two expansions and jigsaws. didnt know about the others. Looking forward to the Advanced HeroQuest video

[@jordansorcery]

It was such a great game to have in those early gaming years! I only got the jigsaw recently, would have loved some of those in my youth too!

[@nicolofrancescobernardi6120]

Deep respect for the work you've put into this, you've done an incredible service to us fans of the game, I watched your video at the edge of my seat for the whole time. It's just mindblowing to learn all the behind-the-scene of this corner stone of my childhood, I'm so grateful!

[@jordansorcery]

Absolutely my pleasure, I’m glad it was as interesting to watch as it was to make!

[@lasergunbarbarian620]

I would love to see a range of Heroquest 6 or 7 inch figures both Hero’s and villains, they would sell out in seconds.

[@jordansorcery]

Kinda surprising they haven't given this a go yet!

[@gwenlliandavies7348]

BROWD SORD!

[@jordansorcery]

Fior of wroth!

[@AlekTrev006]

Fantastically interesting video ! So glad I stumbled onto it at my work-lunch, today 😊

[@jordansorcery]

I’m glad you found it too! Hope it paired well with lunch!